Ryzen Shines - Ryzen 7 1800X, 1700X, 1700 Revealed, Intel gets thrashed.
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- AMD finally reveals their first Ryzen CPUs to the core-starved PC masses. Game on.
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great video, just 1 small point Intel don't ship a cooler with the 6900k
No1Spod I think he was just being pessimistic, THAT MAKES IT EVEN BETTER YEEEAAHHHHH BOIIII
Cooler with RGB :).. What AMD does best? when they are making a comeback they surely know how to make your jaw drops lol.
Xin Gaming oh baby, stock coolers looking this good is madness
but there is an option for 1800x for coming with or without stock coolers.
Aye :) but in the video he suggested stock cooler was being used to throttle the intel chips. that was all, minor point in an otherwise great video :) they don't ship them for the high end 6700k or 7700k either iirc
"We need more women in TECH". NO, we need more AWESOME women like Lisa Su in TECH. Quality > Quantity imho.
What makes her awesome?
She made me a lot of money in AMD shares.
Dr AurA Couldn't agree more. +1. People look too much at genitals these days, that's what I am complaining about.
+Dr AurA completely agree.
Lisa as alot of carisma. good saleswoman too
WTF.... 1/12 the R&D budget compared to Intel and AMD pulls off this little gem. Bravo AMD, bravo....
Manny Santiago CPU Jesus, LOL. It's true though. Jim has the ability to think outside of the standard microarchitecture box. It was true with the Athalon CPUs, it was true with the Apple A8 chips and it's true now with Ryzen. He just keeps hitting homeruns.
Well Ryzen is pretty much just Broadwell-E but alot cheaper. There's a pretty good chance that AMD looked at Intel patents, copied Broadwell-E, and then started improving it where they could. Saves them alot of money, and it's a healthy practice
CrackedDylMil I'm sorry, but ryzen and broadwell-e architectures are in no way the same. the method in which cores talk to each other is different, the smt implementation is different and the memory controller is different as well. if you take a look at pictures of the dies as well as supplemental architectural information, you'll see what I mean. is the IPC performance very similar? yes. do they both have the same amount of cores and threads? yes. that's pretty much where the similarities end.
Nakano2k1 having read Steve Jobs' biography, one thing he said really stood out to me: it's not about how much money you spend in R&D, it's about how and where you're spending it, and who you're hiring to do the job.
@CrackedDylMil Funniest thing I've read all day!
I seriously hope they're pulling out the R5s and R3s ASAP because those are the real deal, ~150€ for an unlocked quad core is very interesting for a pure gaming build
Agost40Hz I would honestly go for a 4/8 for gaming too, it will really help when in the future games will require more cores.
Robin Bernardinis I know, but for budget builds a ~6600K equivalent at 150€ (plus cooling for OC) would be very good
r5 is q2 and r3 is h2. not sure how adored missed it :/
Agost40Hz
I think they are releasing r3 and r5 later because they simply don't have produced enough of them yet. r3s and r5s will be cheaper and will sell really fast. faster that they can produce lol. Its the same thing always. remember the gtx 10 series. 1080 1070 went first and they still struggled to keep up with the demand. imagine if they released the 1060 at the same time lol.
+SilencedGProd
Let's be real, the real reason it took Nvidia so long to release the 1060 and 1050 is because they were milking the market as hard as they could. Notice how as soon as AMD releases the RX 400 series then AMD responds with the budget end of the GTX10 series?
Even if intel drops prices a lot, i hope comsuers will still choose Amd over a firm which screwed the comsurmers over years. İ won't forget how intel screwed me with my i7 4790k and i wish the same for Vega against NV.
Judas101010 I know they screwed people in terms of cost, were you happy with the CPU other than that or did it have other problems? My I7 5820K has random freezes with the C6 state enabled and it took a lot of time in terms of troubleshooting for me to find out what the cause was. Needless to say I'm not very happy.
ltte2 performance wise no problems at all but to think that today (well in shirt time ) i could have identical performance for far cheaper, that is what makes me mad.
Judas101010 my opinion: intel will make overclocked 6800k as a 7800k and with a more competitive price aswell as a oc'd rebranded 6900k for a competitive price
Howmuch? pretty sure intel is brewing something, be it a rebrand, price drop. my only wish is that amd stays competive. they need to make money for further RnD. hate to see history repeat itself in a couple of years yet again.
BReal23 yeap same here. the i7 4790k was the best buy in a worst case scenario. gonna hold on that cpu for a couple of years.
Bye bye intel, you chose to charge me an extra 50% when AMD was irrelevant because you could. If you want my money ever again you will no longer have to be competitive, you'll have to drop your prices low enough for me to make my 50% back. That is 250 for your flagship. Why? Because I can.
Tolis Mortadelas never forget the price burns skullknight
Tolis Mortadelas you were born a savage mate
That's right, kick them in the dick.
godspeed
Intel will have to put some serious stuff out of their sleeve with coffe lake if they don't want to become irrelevant, or they will have to sell their shit at the price of bananas
Have been looking forward for this video! keep up the good work mate!
BEST Ryzen video out there! All the others are just repeating what Lisa said, without digging deeper.
Cheers.
I have to agree. You doing the due diligence with showing the footnotes after the slide deck is why I enjoy your content. You take the time to show all the different facets of things and lay it out. I look forward to your on going coverage of Ryzen in the future. I think Ryzen will perform very well and really hit Intel hard. I dont think Intel will just lay down so we all win with Intel having to step up their game.
no kidding if i hear someone else say how buttery smooth that dota streaming was one more time
+AdoredTV You saying cheers makes me want to have a drink with you, man. >:I
All we need now is more ITX boards that don't skimp on features.
tamzf1 strongly agree. Got my corsair 380t sitting at home just waiting for the X300 platform's release. Do you think you'll be going for the best possible mobo?
tamzf1 Need some matx love too, I've only seen like one x370 on matx...
An affordable mITX 8 core workstation...
LiekSecretss dreams am I right, although I think I would go for top 6/12 model, I don't think I need all those threads... we'll see
Yeah ITX with quad X-fire is what I'm looking for. Four vega 10's 8K at 60 FPS at least.
lisa su be lookin THICCCCC in dem jeans boi
El Diablo and I bet you're a mexican lol
loooooooooooooooooooool
Lisa is actually looking very good for her age!
kingDeCosta123 that's a dude
None of this is important. She might well be the CEO to put AMD back in the game. That's impressive!
Finally affordable 8c/16t cpus HELL YESSSS!!!! BETTER RED
And the puns ensued as AMD has Ryzen from the Ashes of the Core Modularity... Have a good time benchmarking :P
There is one fact that no-one has caught on to here....AMD are about to do to the CPU market with Ryzen what they are doing to the GPU market with Freesync.... They are making Multicore processors affordable across all price ranges. This will boost the numbers of users with more than 4 cores across the board....Thus Game Developers will start programming more games for multiple core scalability.....This is the Long Game and AMD are playing it well on both CPU and GPU fronts.....Roll on Vega :-)
You mean like how they forced all floating point operations to be moved to the GPU with Bulldozer? Software devs responded so well to that last time...
Jim Keller did it again.... goodbye my i5 6500, time has risen for new AMD rig
Pun intended :)
Get psyched! I had an Athlon64 before current i5-750, and if Ryzen can provide somewhat useful single thread performance I'm sold for another jump once PCIe 4.0 boards arrive.
And I really hope Dx12 and Vulkan favor more cores in the long run. Hope or not you can't lose with that Ryzen pricing. Tick-tock may be gone, but AMD-Intel-AMD is going strong!
dx12 & vulkan ftw
Alright mate, its going great!
AdoredTV i dont think intel have stock cooler for 140w cpu and i just checked it(i7 6900k) comes without cooler
there is note for i7-3970X which TDP is 150W
"This fan-heatsink does not adequately cool..."
i believe this note is applicable for other high-end CPU'S
so throttling is possible
benchmark is done not by idling cpu so adequately cooling is requred for best result
Well I dont think it managed to heat so bad in those 70 secods of the test to throthle ..
there is only one way to find out - test it (i dont have i7, *flies away*)
Both systems used stock coolers, whats wrong with showing an out of the box comparison.
I'm so exited for Ryzen cpus. One note though, I think you made an oversight when it comes to elite sniper test. It's clear that AMD used skybox as an advantage for fps gain (look hot they move crosshair up so more less demanding scene is rendered). Just a constructive criticism :) LOVE your videos, can't wait for more!
That depends on cpus that are being compared. I expect 1700x and 1800x to perform as well as 6900k and 6800k in single-threaded (ST) stuff but to have around 18% weaker ST performance of 7700k . R5 1600x should be better than older brothers in ST performance. And then there is a R5 1400x 4 core 8 thread part that has less cores and higher clock. I think this part will have the best of ST performance that AMD has to offer this gen - which will still be lower than Intel's parts by around 10% but, that doesn't faze me TBH, that kind of performance loss is only noticeable at high fps/lower resolution.
Edited: Single-threaded performance from 25% to 18% (did the math based on amd's CbR15 results and GamersNexus 7700k)
Nikola Plivelic That 25% less single core performance than Kaby Lake is bullshit. The Ryzen CPUs have the same IPC performance as the Kaby Lake CPUs if they are both at the same clock speed. AMD literally reached Skylake levels of IPC with their 52% increase in instructions per clock over the Excavator architecture, and Skylake IPC is the same as Kaby Lake IPC, so you are really downplaying Ryzen for no good valid reason.
Nikola Plivelic Kaby Lake IPC isn't much more than Broadwell-E, about 10% AFAIK. R7 1700 would be probably 10-15% behind the 7700k but twice as many cores and threads is a good sell.
Yanteus Maximus Rin Hato IPC - Instructions Per CLOCK is not the same thing as Single-Threaded performance. ST performance depends on BOTH clock of the chip and IPC (which is gained by uArch design). You can look at it like this, let's set IPC in an equation as a multiplier. Not sure how accurate or not this will be, but I'm giving an example IPC*clock = imaginary ST performance If we imagine IPC as a multiplier and set 7700k's as "1" that would mean 1*4500MHz (4,5GHz is taken into account because that's the highest stock Single Core frequancy, and we are comparing ST perf.) Now, I believe that AMD is close to Broadwell-E IPC, we know that from the CinebenchR15 ST test where 1800x matched 6900k ST perf. But! 1800x was clocked 4GHz and 6900k 3.7GHz, meaning Broadwell-E has slightly better IPC. If BW-E has IPC 10% lower than Kaby Lake as Rino Hato stated, that means it's ipc multiplier would be 0.9, and rizens around 0.86 . Sorry for the long post
Nikola Plivelic I think the 6900k was running at 4Ghz too, as shown on the slide detailing system specs, so Ryzen seems to have near enough the same IPC as Broadwell-E. It won't be too far behind Kaby Lake in gaming, and as you've said the R5 4 core skew will most likely have higher clocks to make up for it. Personally I'd rather have more cores so I'd choose the 1700 over the 7700k, the 6 core skew may be a good compromise though.
Someone on reddit replyed that all cores runs the turbo speed. Hope you will be able to confirm that later on release date. Great job btw.
Finaly the rebels are striking back! FINALY!
In an upcoming video, I would love to see an analysis of motherboards and other components that pair well with Ryzen CPUs in terms of value per dollar.
The main issue I'm having with preorders is that the place where I could get the Ryzen pre order is not selling AM4 motherboards, which makes pre ordering not an option.
Just wait a bit, they should come. Preorders in my country started yesterday but no word about motherboards. Like 2 hours ago motherboards started popping up with ETA 6 March. Well at least i can cancel my order if the 1700 flops.
I also saw in another video that all Ryzen CPUs are going to have unlocked multipliers on them, or otherwise overclockable. I'm mostly interested to see how far above their spec they can be pushed to see if the 1700 can compete with the 7700k in gaming. Great video as always, I usually take other reviewers' videos with a grain of salt until I see what you have to say about it. Most people missed the slides at the end showing the system builds, stock Intel coolers, etc. Nice catch there.
This is going to be an interesting start of the month with all the teats. What many want to know is what the memory is going to act like on the platform and what matters more for it: timing or frequency. Also the video rendering stuff is also a consideration. Lots of questions that need to be answered.
Amazing! M excitement is bursting! Im so glad Ive been following AdoredTV to keep up n my Ryzen news!!
16:45 I am interested in how much performance the 1700 gets in gaming benchmarks with a overclock, and how much headroom the 1700 actually has with stock cooler and AIO coolers.
I wanted a $100 quadcore ;-;
I guess $139 for the R3 is permanent now, gotta earn $39 fast...
sell your old CPU?
Helodon Yeah, its like the G3260 costs something. It's shit, It sometimes even bottlenecks my RX 460
really? I doubt that it's as bad as an X4 845 and R9 Fury *cries in aticpation for R5 1600X*
Don't worry, there are entry-level $69 B350 motherboards and you can overclock the $139 Ryzen 3. Unlike Intel, who charges a premium for unlocked K variants and expensive Z-series motherboards if you want to overclock. If this were Intel, you'd pay $259 for an i5-7600K and another $119 for an entry-level Z270 motherboard. The i5-7600K might be the faster quad core processor, but not by a whole lot that justifies paying twice the price.
Looks like you may gave a slightly longer wait than expected:
videocardz.com/66324/where-is-ryzen-5-and-ryzen-3
Though one of the slides shows the 1600x is going to be faster than leaks have suggested so hopefully we might get higher clocks on other R5 and R3 CPUs.
I'm totally riding the hype train right now lol. I am looking forward to the youtube techies getting their hands on a couple of ryzen chips. You should ask your contacts at AMD if you can get hold of one, you never know :) Unless you already have and you're NDA trolling us... :P
I can maybe tell you a story or two after next week lol, it's been pretty unreal. ;)
AdoredTV looking forward to it mate! It is a pretty exciting time! Pondering how I'm going to justify an 1800x lol
Yeah $500 is still pretty steep no matter what you get for it lol.
Yeah it's a lot of cash, and let's be fair, it'll be £500 when it gets over here lol. I might end up getting a 1700 or 1700X, but I kinda wanna go balls to the wall, but if all the difference between the 1700X and 1800X is the clockspeed, then I'll just get a 1700X and overclock it :)
Yeah sadly it likely will be £500...overclocking might be an achilles heel though, but that's more of a hunch.
The turbo boost feature of the R7 1800x gimps game performance in my experience. Cores constantly throttle to maintain tdp and lower power consumption. Its almost like the variance in core speed causes hang ups in some game engines. The cores jump all over the place in clock speed especially when under a multi core load. When turbo boost is disable and cores are run all at a fixed speed like 3.9ghz it performs like a beast on par with a 6800k in games and in some games beats a the 7700k. Ryzen loves stable voltage for games. Turn off all power saving features and boost. Just open hardware monitor in multi threaded games and watch those core dance down clocking and up clocking to save power and maintain tdp. All you got to do is turn boost and power saving and set overclock manually and its magical.
I was refreshing my news feed whole morning waiting for Adored to upload this. Now like and watch it.
Ahah i just looked for your video about Ryzen release :D 5min later here it is :)
same here
A new Adored vid...yay...was waiting for you to do one on the Ryzen 7 launch.
You mentioned that the 1700 will be the hard sell. To me it seems quite likely that it will become the one to purchase and overclock. 1700 @ +4GHz would perform identically to, if not better than the 1800x.
Graeme I would think if it could OC that high they would use it for a 1700x...If I were AMD I would cherry pick/sort the best CPUs to go out first to keep the hype train going. Then later normalize it to luck-of-the-draw and do the same for R5 & R3.
But then as has been advised before the fab process is quite successful for ryzen. You are right in what your saying, so long as there are enough less than 100% quality chips.
Great video! Can't wait to get testing these myself.
You have to wait lol! Me too... :(
haha I'm getting some bits ready and re-benching my 7700K with a GTX 1070.
MSI came through for me finally so I'll have a couple of 480's in Crossfire at least. ;)
Excellent analysis. I saw the original AMD video, but got even more from your explanation. Thanks!
Cheers.
You've won the long game Adored. That first vid you uploaded on Zen was the best prediction ever. Congrats man.
If anybody has seen the Potato Masher series on RUclips, Vega being just around the corner and the R3 series likely releasing this year, it's going to be very interesting seeing Germ Gaming create a Potato Masher Scorpio in a year or two.
Ordered the last parts for my new system to be built aroudn the 1800X today. Many shipping dates are still in a bit of flux, but unfortunately it seems that motherboard and cooler makers (the ones I'm going for) will not quite make it for the CPU launch and delay my build with 7-10 days. Slightly annoying, but it's not like I'd get whatever motherboard comes out first anyhow. I could have had some fun with AMD's stock cooler for a few days, but now the 1800X comes without any cooler at launch.
Great video bud and love the title! Seen another couple of channels rushing to repeat quite literally the AMD vid release so was waiting with anticipation for your view and more in depth analysis. I'm actually genuinely excited by what I've seen so far but will reserve judgement for the independent benches which is less than a week away. If the benches prove positive then it's just a case of which CPU to choose. Have to say though this had me grinning like a right loon, been a long long time in the making :)
Glad you got the title lol, not many did. ;)
Yeah I feel like it's long, long overdue as well.
Looking at the choice here from the lineup I suspect the smart money is on the 1700X.....but the price of the 1800X makes it so tempting. I'll be patient though and await the real world indie benches (that's your benches and analysis btw) simply down to the chips being unlocked. The 1700X could be an absolute beast with some smart overclocking. Intel must be having a cow over this, complacency will get you nowhere!
There is a feeling of upselling yes...$499,$399,$329...starting to think the 6C/12T at 3.6/4GHz will probably cost $299...
Benchmarks gonna be tough for me as I just lack the hardware - not for the want of trying this month. Contacted everybody I could but have simply been unable to get very far until recently when MSI seems to have bought-in to me. I'll have crossfire 480's at least and Kaby Lake, but no Broadwell-E by the looks of it. Intel just blanked me, wonder why. ;)
Thing is bud even without the hardware to run your own bench I'll lay money that you'll analyse everything you can online out there from the non biased reputable sources. You're already a proven reliable source in this area so can't see why that would change!
Really hope you get to do a review bud, I've already had my fill of the babbling rubbish out there on other sites and channels, quite honestly some of the worst reviews and shoddy benches I've seen. I won't mention any names but christ they're bad
All aboard the hype train
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I was planning to pre-order the 1800x on newegg.ca. Problem is they were sold out by the end of the 22nd. Now only NCIX has them listed for pre-order but I am reticent to get them from there as they have a history of taking pre-orders without taking stock into account.
The jump in Ryzen's FPS on Sniper elite 4 was probably due to the neural net prediction, does Intel have this?
Nice video exciting times ahead :)
The contrast of the Ryzen logo is so nice on OLED Galaxy S5 screen :D
Actually, it doesn't even have to be better - I'd be happy for less than 80% of the intel's gaming performance for that sweet price
Incredible. I'm looking forward to seeing the performance on the Ryzen 5 CPUs though!
Like if you're going to buy Ryzen!
I'm cherrypicking here, but at 7:40 Lisa said "in the market". Wouldn't "on the market" be the correct way of saying it? I'm not a native speaker, so I might be wrong here, but it does sound a bit odd to me.
Regardless of that, Ryzen is looking very good. Would love a full Ryzen+Vega build, but unfortunately I don't need to upgrade as I'm on a 4790k, with a GTX 1080, and I don't exactly have cash lying around that I could spend haha.
I am so surprised by this news. AMD appears to have made a massive gain that's pretty much shaken up the computer market. I'm happy for them.
That die shot is the background on my computer now.
(Edit: As always, your videos are in depth and awesome.)
Cheers bud. I'm not surprised, never lost faith but for sure this is only the beginning. ;)
One thing i'd like to know is, is the die soldered to the IHS? The FX line of CPUs were, I hope they continue this practice.
Both intel and AMD machines had the same configuration in terms of RAM/SSD/PSU/GPU as well as cooling. Both of them had the same kind of water-cooling setups.
all confirmed numbers, AMD rof-lstomped Intel price and performance wise. The 2000's processors war may be back!
Thank you based Jim Keller you haven't disappointed once again!
Great pitch from AMD, hope they do well from this. I'm looking at getting the 1600x, but I'm waiting until more single core benchmarks to note whether is worth the upgrade from Haswell. I happy with the range of motherboards but I think my excitement has been quashed buy the pricing for these.
Most things look good and I think it will be a winner. Though I'd like to throw in some caution about Cinebench, it very much relies on high FPU performance. Integer IPC is still not really revealed by the benchmarks that AMD chose and this is what matters a fair bit in the few (thankfully) games who relies on high single thread performance.
Best kind of morning coffee
ChaseMMD same here :D
RYZEN SHINE!
Super excited to see what will be coming in the gaming laptop market. Those low wattages are perfect for laptops, wonder if there will be any laptop specific chips.
I think the reason the Ryzen cpu's seems to be performing better in these benchmarks is that the architecture automatically OC's itself to whatever it can with the cooling solution provided to it. where as the Intel 6900K does appear to be throttled somewhat. This is especially evident in the cinebench R15 test where the 6900k scored 1474 . I'm able to achieve a score of 1800 with my old 5960X running at 4.5 GHz, so I think what we're seeing here is essentially an overclocked 1800X vs a stock 6900K. Its hard to know exactly whats going on without more info on the cooling solutions and true clockspeeds for these tests. It'll definitely be very interesting to see what the top clock speed of these Ryzen CPU's will be able to be with a high end water cooling solution, I hope it can achieve more than 4.1. All that being said though, thank god AMD have delivered something to truly rival Intel and priced it extremely well. Let the competition begin :)
Linus did a vid where they had access to the demo systems and they could see the hardware. Definitely good stuff. Amd is picking their own battles though. I would love to see an apples to apples comparison of single thread performance @ the same clock speed.
Great video as always!
I'm looking to get either a 4c/8t part or one of the hexacores. I'm SOOOO tempted to just order a motherboard right now.
Cheers bud.
Pryce Newberg dont. wait for 40 lanes mobos at the end of a year
Interesting. I will open my eyes again in May when I plan to upgrade my MOBO/CPU/RAM. The rest of the system is still good for 1080p gaming (xfx390 DD black edition). BTW when you benchmark the new Ryzen make sure you boot into save mode and run the "Intel Compiler Patcher" over the windows system. Some drivers (even the AMD gfx drivers) need to be patched.
I'm so glad the pricing was right. Granted the 1700 is pretty close to the 7700k which should drop to the same price but still at that price for my needs, the extra thread and core count is going to be a god send. Ryzen is doing better than I expected and I had high hopes as it is. Just to wait till launch day and see just how competitive things really will be.
fantastic video. I like how detailed yet clean and easy to understand your uploads are
Cheers bud.
AdoredTV Cheers!
Always a good day when I wake up and there's a new AdoredTV video
I'm keen to get the 1800x or perhaps wait a while to see other models come out. I've never been a fan of intel since my last intel back in the p3 days so its nice to see a great AMD cpu at last like the Athlon xp and 64 days, oh and not to forget the FX57 :D
Anyone else catch Austin Evan's video before he re-uploaded? He caught the moment Ryzen broke the Cienbench world record. I think they had it at 5.1GHz.
Was refreshing to wait for your new video about the Ryzen launch
We have a 6900k at work for media stuff. It runs cinebench closer to 1600 at stock, so there is def something up with that. Its still impressive for the price tho
🤞 for Vega! That would make '17 the year of AMD! and the end of the nVidia monopoly?... well, let's just hope.
Another great video! As for a 6-core/12-thread Ryzen CPU, should we be expecting one that comes with a higher base clockspeed (4.0 GHz) then? If they do come out with one and sell it for the same price/cheaper than the 1700, things could get really interesting!
Honestly I'm not sure - and I'm a little worried that Ryzen might not OC all that great, at least this initial batch.
Great start to the new year indeed! Would love your analysis on how Intel could respond short and long term. And after Feb 28th thoughts on the GPU market. I personally ordered a 1700x yesterday to upgrade my setup and show support. And if Vega is a disruption like Ryzen I'll do the same.
Price cuts, basically.
CyberPowerPC is already takiing preorders on R7 systems. Looking to buy one with a R5 this year.
What do you mean by "numbers all over the place" in 6:00? I don't think the stock 2011 cooler will make the 6900K throttle (BXTS13A is not the same cooler found in 115x), nor do I think the numbers are not outside the margins of error. But nevertheless I think you're spot on on saying that the Broadwell IPC hype is real.
I checked a bunch of 6900K reviews and the numbers really are all over the place for CB R15. Some must be using TB 3, some can't be...others I dunno what is going on but CB numbers are usually really close.
Ah, I see. The numbers are still around 1500, Tom's got it very similarly to AMD's. But the way that you implied that "it might have been throttling" confused me!
Cheers mate! I'm stuck between 1700 and 1700x, the flagship is too expensive for my (already stretched) budget. I would love the great overclocker, going to put NH-D15 on it, as well as a decent board (top ASRock line promises 16-phase CPU power section). Now, wonder if XFR is of any importance for manual overclocking? Is the X line worthy of the price difference over the standard 1700?
Good times, good times.. Itl be interesting to see however the 1600 vs the 7700k. I think 8 cores is a bit much but the time for 6 cores should have come a long time ago! The speed we went from dual cores to quad cores was insane and the step from quads to simulated 8 cores was a step up as well but somewhere around there the CPU market just stopped evolving. Hexa cores ftw
I've been thinking..if Ryzen's nomenclature follows the Radeon nomenclature, than we can expect R9 Ryzen Cpus, imagine how powerfull it would be?
Im so hoping the R7 1700 OCs well. That some crazy good value.
So great to hear this lets hope amd and intel keep innovating and we see more than 5-10% rises in performance over the next few years.
+AdoredTV
Competition is more of a gamble for AMD, specially against the ubiquitous 7700K. Some will remain with intel and others might try Ryzen out. All I'm hoping is for AMD to recover a good 10% of this market, preferably 20% but that's a bold expectation that assumes the best case scenario (recall the 480 controversy.)
A major concern for AMD at this point is consumers who consider switching would have to buy a new motherboard/CPU just to try out a company that has had a sub par history (taking things from their perspective). If AMD keeps up a good fight to the next generation of products, there will be more room left for growth as today's consumers' hardware depreciates enough to merit an upgrade and notice the performance per dollar favor AMD (their main selling point.)
If AMD lands a good deal in the server industry, then their work will be highly rewarded (which, as you mentioned, intel basically owns this corporate market)
I hope this launch goes well for them and that there are no issues for Ryzen (nothing major at least.) Once again, thanks for remaining neutral to the source and analyzing carefully what's given. Would really like to see your channel grow a bit more to where making your own benchmarks isn't a "maybe". Hopefully you already got a sample ;)
Already got my 1800X. Could barley notice any difference between my 6950X until i saw the numbers so it's a good stuff.
Your way of asking for Patreon subscription is so elegant xD
Are you going to have a test bench on release, love to see some numbers from you.
What I'm interested in is will non X CPUs have OC headroom, I know all are unlocked and that's not what I mean.. It's just hard to believe that you will be able to OC a 65W 8c/16t CPU unless there is just a software/BIOS power limit, instead of some hardware lock/limit. Would you be able to casually up the multiplier up on 1700 at the price of temperature and power draw? Or you'll just hit a casual BSOD as soon as you up the multiplier by 1x? :) (hope i make sense hah)
Cheers
Great stuff from both AMD and AdoredTV. It's like The Fappening is happening all over again!
Cheers bud!
11:10 in that scene on the AMD side, the player looks more often up to the sky which is why he gets more fps.
You can even see how he is trying to make it look like it was totally unintended, but it is intended. So, the overall performance seems to be very equal in that scene, shame on you AMD.
I hope to goodness they've really done it and aren't just cherry picking. I also hope they're doing something similar for Vega as they skipped pushing out a high end GPU last year to focus on Vega IMHO.
I'm selling my i7 4770 asap on Craigslist! I just want 8 real cores and $399 is hard to pass up!
John Connor dude 400$ are you serious ??? I can buy a 1700x for cheaper
What? I'm selling my 4770, not buying.
I think he thought that you were trying to sell your i7 for $399, rather than being excited that the 1700x is $399
yes.. a very informative and well rounded video! i was waiting on your opinion about the ryzen line up..! looking at the prices against intells line up this is a massive change oppertunity for everyone in the pc market. what i would like to know however! is it really this big of a performance change or is it just based on prices/ performance and what does that mean for the cpu head to head comparrison? for example.. intell 8 core 16 thread or something like that vs amd equivalent. And maybe some insight on how intell is going to react or even strike back perhapse? thank you for this video again and hopefully see you soon in another one!
The opportunity is in the price for sure, 8 cores this cheaply has never been seen. $1000 down to just over $300 is pretty massive, especially for creators like me.
yhup, price wise it is definitly a no brainer. yourself planning a test build with this amd setup in the future? would be a sweet comparrison video in real life!
Yeah I'll be taking a look at a few things soon. ;)
They have to get their Ryzen 5 line out fairly soon in my opinion. It's great that their CPUs are topping the charts in the Ryzen 7/i7 bracket but a large chunk of the market is still in the 200-250 price bracket for CPUs(Plus 100-150 for the mobo and at least 100 for RAM). The biggest investment you make is your motherboard, it's the biggest pain in the ass to replace while you can easily switch out a CPU just as long as the socket is still relevant. A lot of people might simply buy a placeholder CPU they can put in the latest socket to upgrade further down the line to an i7/Ryzen 7, I know that's what I did with my i5-6600k knowing I could upgrade to Kabby and still get really good performance out of the 6600k.
They could potentially shoot themselves in the foot here if they don't have their Ryzen 5 with prices around €200 coming out sooner rather than later. It's not just the fact that some would buy cheaper now to upgrade in a few months time but the simple fact that a lot of people out there don't want to spend that kind of money on a CPU even if it is much faster. Full in on a CPU pretty much includes the price of the motherboard, RAM and cooler(A lot don't go with stock cooling).
The good about having such good high end CPUs out first is the fact people know exactly what to aim for but if they have no alternatives to the i5 out the gate it could present issues. On top of this not having Ryzen 5(200-300 price range I would guess) it gives Intel a lot of time to come out with something a lot more attractive in the meantime. I simply can't believe Intel have been doing nothing but sitting with their thumbs up their ass all this time while Ryzen was being trumped these last few months(Actually starting a whole year ago). They could just as easily announce price drops and an X version of existing CPUs to tip over Ryzen.
Yeah their 6-cores could be even more important here.
Looks like my concerns have been answered. R5(Dunno how I feel about that for Ryzen 5 given AMD's GPU line being R7, R9 with anything below R9 being considered budget, might leave a bad taste in some people's mouths) in Q2 of 2017!
1800X pre-orders are already sold out on newegg canada. I'm glad I got mine in early!
Hey AdoredTV. Quick question regarding AM4 socket motherboards. What's up with the disgustingly low amount of PCI-E lanes? Do you see this as an issue?
Not really, outside of some extreme edge cases ie triple 4K SLI, GPUs are basically the same running at 8x vs 16x. I'd rather save $550 on the CPU, which may actually end up slightly faster in the majority of cases.
There is a lot more going on these days that want to use PCI-E lanes than just the graphics card though. Something else that is also a bit of a concern is that the consumer grade chipset only has 6 PCI-E lanes for the graphics card on a PCI-E 2.0 slot.
awesome! Looking forward to upgrading this year.
I noticed Lisa doesn't address the poor memory performance issues you mentioned and shown in your graphs last time....These Cpu's are impressive but there is no way I'll buy into it until they show us they have sorted out the memory.
Regarding that Sniper Elite benchmark:
"AMD CPU (right) regularly contained large swathes of skybox (during ammo reloads, for example) while the Intel CPU demo happened to focus more on other nearby geometry while eliminating much of the sky" - thats not my words, but people running www.gamersnexus.net
Any thoughts on that?
The fps differences in Sniper Elite 4 are in some cases caused by more skybox.
hey man i have a really important question if those 3 cpus are identical and the only difference is the core clock, cant i overclock the cheapest 8 c16t cpu to 4 ghz and it would be the same as their higher end offering?
The next question is how well do they overclock ? There all unlocked chips.
I wonder how high the 1700 will OC, the clock isn't that much lower than the 1700X given the 30% lower TDP. They could be fairly well binned chips.
Apparently OCUK have had the 1700 up to 4GHZ already and that was without much effort.
Do you see new tools to management AMD CPU, it looks like you can change frequency per 2 cores (4 sliders), so boost be 1 core, or maybe more advance?
What's your take on the Ryzen 5 and 3. According to the leaks the Ryzen 5 1400X (flagship quad core) is clocked at 3.5/3.9GHz and seems pretty weak in comparison to the i7 7700K which is clocked at 4.2/4.5GHz. However the AMD processor is rumoured to be priced much lower, but still I would expect higher clock speeds just like intel's quad cores are much higher clocked then their octa core processors.
So it seems that at quad core and lower AMD can't compete core per core performance wise. If the leaks are true that is.
Yeah it won't beat Kaby Lake but if it's half the price then the 7700K will be unbuyable. ;)
Yeah, but we are sure to see price cuts. And if it is by a fair amount it looks like for the near future it will still be a better "gaming" CPU.
Another very nice surprise is that I can preorder the Ryzen 1700x here in Australia for only $569, which unlike the RX 480 and RX470 graphics cards which carried an outrageous Australia Tax up to 40% over conversion +GST, puts it in line with currency conversion rates plus 10% GST.
There's no fucking Australia tax on these parts, good one AMD.