For the article I wrote regarding this video on shoulder pain do to pectoralis minor - www.hollandreflexology.com/pec-minor-the-modern-reason-for-shoulder-pain/
Received a diagnosis of shoulder impingement several years ago. Saw a sports medicine doctor, general practitioner, and several physical therapists. Nothing worked. Endless exercises to strengthen the rotator cuff muscles, the lower traps, the rhomboids. During covid the PT on an video visit did not diagnose my winging of the scapula after I told her that I felt a bump in my back.One GP was ready to do a cortisone shot. I said no, let my try physical therapy again. Another doctor saw me and said that at 63 years old, it probably wouldn't get better. An overuse condition. Finally a physical therapy's assistant said that I had a tight minor pec muscle. After a couple massages and a little time it is now all good! So my respect for this doctor to raise awareness for this minor muscle that is majorly important!
I had a broken collar bone that never mended. It filled in with cartridge. 26yrs I unconsciously compensated by using my lower arm. I have a huge 'Popeye' muscle instead of a bicep. Working on this whole area NOW to rebuild shoulder and bicep. Caused my whole posture to Lean crooked. Lots of work ahead for me. Very helpful video.
This is the most helpful I’ve come across which tied together all of my symptoms, of which the 3 top orthos in SD nor 3 highly regarded PT’s could not figure out. Thank you for caring! This is so helpful!
[• massage Therapist here in Canada. Pec minor was my nemesis! I had 12 therapists working on me. It wasn’t until I got pec minor (as well as subscapularis, which seem to regulate blood flow) released, that my shoulder went back in position.•]
Hey Stevie, I've had pain/shoulder clicking for almost a year. My subscapularis, pec minor and serratus are soar. Is this familiar to what you had? I asked cause I have some color changes in my hand and its not thoracic outlet.
Thank you so much for taking the time for this video. I was a brand new truck driver and put in a terrible position, almost like those monkey handle bars for 12 hours a day. Until I lost all grip strength and tremendous pain and numbness. I've been diagnosed with pectoralis minor syndrome and thoracic outlet syndrome. Can't work, lost our health insurance and it has literally debilitated my life. It's been the worst 2 years of my life. I'm very thankful for this and can hopefully mimic this on myself by what you've shown
I think you may have just solved all my problems for me in this one video - thank you !!! I have been struggling with thoracic outlet syndrome for 2 months compressing my veins and have had an extremely tight biceps brachii causing my arm/bicep to feel rock solid all the way down to my forearm and wrist too - also have had a bump under my armpit for several months which i think is a tendon sticking out? Now I’m almost certain it’s stemming from pec minor because holy cow is it tight when I’m feeling it right now! This is so so helpful. I’ve found almost nothing mentioning biceps brachii in relation to pec minor until now.
Most of my colleagues grab to massage the trapezius muscles or rhomboids when their clients complain about shoulder neck pain. But those muscles are just victims... the fugitives are in general the chest muscles who get ignored most of the time. Yet again good job sir. Short sweet and quick to the point!
Excellent Video and information. LOL.... I've seen so many therapists say you shouldn't ever have the patient c/o pain during tx. Ive found that doesn't work :) When I personally went to the chrio for arm pain, he used active release, and I was better instantly from nerve pain acquired during moving. It hurt like hell, but I was instantly better. I use it on my patients, and most the time they gain ROM and at least 50% or more pain reduction. I wish the surgeons would listen to people like you because sometimes, they just don't have a clue.
I agree, and this is a great demonstration and visuals. I have also found that all the coracoid process muscles can be injured, tight, scar tissue, etc. After the tissue is addressed, I love eccentric lengthening exercises.
Awesome video! My husband (who does a lot of weight lifting) recently went to a PT for some nagging shoulder pain and the pec stretches they gave him made a big difference. So now I'm excited to test out some of these massage techniques and assisted stretches to give him some more relief. Thanks for such a thorough video!
I have watched so many videos and this is one of the best and most informative I have come across. Thank you very much for such great and clear information.
Can tight pec minor cause rear shoulder pain bossman? I assume so since the mechanics will be all over the place. I have a rounded shoulder, and I do notice the tendency of my arm to internally rotate when I do everything (steering, etc.)
Please show where to work to release sternum pain.my sternum popped after I rolled over in bed. Sent shooting pain and sent all muscles on right side into spasm. Could not catch breath. Went to ER 10/11/23. DX costochondritis. Ice helped, heat made it worse. The side pain and spasm left after 4 days. But the center of sternum has a lump in it and still in alot of pain . Doctors said X-ray showed nothing. I’m going to try this massage but if you have other methods I would be so grateful. Happy new year
Thank you for posting the visuals!! Have had two years of agony and anguish, dealing with progressively worsening shoulder neck and back pain with over ten unhelpful (expensive) doctors and a few who helped one aspect of the issues. I have shoulder bursitis, osteoarthritis of the SC Joint and a herniated disc. I think something is wrong with my serratus anterior, but can’t get doctors to take it seriously, even though I’ve been through the imaging and proved I have osteoarthritis and need help. Do you have any advice? Any specific specialist types I should google? Anyone in CA? Thank you for any and all help, including these videos ❤
I had rotatorcuff issues about a year ago. Now due to work I have pain right on the bicep tendons followed by a tight pec minor and bicep. Mostly on short head.
Can any of this cause neck pain or does neck pain cause tight pec minor?Is the pec minor muscle close the the arm fat by the crease? I def have rounded shoulders but also have pain on the shoulder blade as well.
been having pain in shoulder and biceps.pec minor is definelty tight .when i try to stretch my pecs out i get pain in my bicep and shoulder. do you have any suggestions? how to stretch it out
Good video, and maybe I missed it, but this video doesn’t tell me how to distinguish if it’s actually the pec minor or subscapularis causing shoulder issue. If I massage or press on the trigger points in the teres or subscapularis region, I feel referred pain to the shoulder region. But massaging the pec minor area doesn’t cause any referred shoulder pain. Is the patient suppose to feel ‘anything’ while the pec minor is being worked on? Should they feel referred shoulder pain or anything.
if your on the pec minor and it feels like sand in the eye to the patient, you know its the problem. If you have to search hard for it its not the problem. pec minor is the easiest muscle to palpate.
With a hypertonic pec minor causing scapular protraction and anterior tilt, could that be the causal reason for radial nerve compression and subsequent triceps and pec atrophy/weakness? The hypertonic pec minor seems as though it would also be the causal point for a hypertonic coracobrachialis and biceps brachii as mentioned in the video. I have experienced distinct lateral head triceps atrophy along with an inability to fully contract my pec, triceps and even lat over the past 5 months. I never experienced an injury per se, but did take a full contact punch to that same pec a week before I started to experience the weakness and parasthesia. The punch did not phase me at all at the time, so I dismissed it. But now I have distinct tightness mostly in the proximal biceps, coracobrachialis, pec minor, teres major, and external rotators.
Yes that's been my experience. The assisting muscles of the PC (CB. BB ) are self casting to relieve the pec minor causing internal rotation. That makes the lateral head of the triceps over stretch and signals muscle spindles to continue to relax. Less contraction feels like atrophy. The way I correct it on myself is to hang from a pull up bar with supinated grip with my feet on a chair slightly posterior to shoulders. Over a mouth of daily hanging the signaling stops and a return to normal seems to ensue.
This is what Im suffering many years now and I don’t know but doctors diagnosed it as COSTHOCONDRITIS i have so many scan and blood test coz i though i have a heart problem but they said nothing wrong with my heart
Hi Oscar, Yes it could. Look up "thoracic outlet syndrome" on my channel. I would also go to a doctor for a diagnosis. Information is half the battle. Hope the best.
It depends on how tight it is to begin with. Many times I hold pressure till I feel it release. If holding pressure alone doesn't work I add shoulder rotations. In some instances I've had the patient move their arm across their chest to the opposite shoulder, back to neutral, and then do rotations while I pin the muscle. It is really effective. Holland is teaching something vital to releasing shoulders. Very good teacher!
For the article I wrote regarding this video on shoulder pain do to pectoralis minor - www.hollandreflexology.com/pec-minor-the-modern-reason-for-shoulder-pain/
Received a diagnosis of shoulder impingement several years ago. Saw a sports medicine doctor, general practitioner, and several physical therapists. Nothing worked. Endless exercises to strengthen the rotator cuff muscles, the lower traps, the rhomboids. During covid the PT on an video visit did not diagnose my winging of the scapula after I told her that I felt a bump in my back.One GP was ready to do a cortisone shot. I said no, let my try physical therapy again. Another doctor saw me and said that at 63 years old, it probably wouldn't get better. An overuse condition. Finally a physical therapy's assistant said that I had a tight minor pec muscle. After a couple massages and a little time it is now all good! So my respect for this doctor to raise awareness for this minor muscle that is majorly important!
That’s so great to hear!! Hope you’re still feeling great
and majorly missed :)
This is what helped me fix my shoulder pain when most other suggestions and exercises failed. Thanks a lot!
I had a broken collar bone that never mended. It filled in with cartridge. 26yrs I unconsciously compensated by using my lower arm. I have a huge 'Popeye' muscle instead of a bicep. Working on this whole area NOW to rebuild shoulder and bicep. Caused my whole posture to Lean crooked. Lots of work ahead for me. Very helpful video.
This is the most helpful I’ve come across which tied together all of my symptoms, of which the 3 top orthos in SD nor 3 highly regarded PT’s could not figure out. Thank you for caring! This is so helpful!
[• massage Therapist here in Canada. Pec minor was my nemesis! I had 12 therapists working on me. It wasn’t until I got pec minor (as well as subscapularis, which seem to regulate blood flow) released, that my shoulder went back in position.•]
Hey Stevie, I've had pain/shoulder clicking for almost a year. My subscapularis, pec minor and serratus are soar. Is this familiar to what you had? I asked cause I have some color changes in my hand and its not thoracic outlet.
11:30 stretches.
Thank you so much for taking the time for this video. I was a brand new truck driver and put in a terrible position, almost like those monkey handle bars for 12 hours a day. Until I lost all grip strength and tremendous pain and numbness. I've been diagnosed with pectoralis minor syndrome and thoracic outlet syndrome. Can't work, lost our health insurance and it has literally debilitated my life. It's been the worst 2 years of my life. I'm very thankful for this and can hopefully mimic this on myself by what you've shown
I think you may have just solved all my problems for me in this one video - thank you !!! I have been struggling with thoracic outlet syndrome for 2 months compressing my veins and have had an extremely tight biceps brachii causing my arm/bicep to feel rock solid all the way down to my forearm and wrist too - also have had a bump under my armpit for several months which i think is a tendon sticking out?
Now I’m almost certain it’s stemming from pec minor because holy cow is it tight when I’m feeling it right now! This is so so helpful. I’ve found almost nothing mentioning biceps brachii in relation to pec minor until now.
Most of my colleagues grab to massage the trapezius muscles or rhomboids when their clients complain about shoulder neck pain. But those muscles are just victims... the fugitives are in general the chest muscles who get ignored most of the time. Yet again good job sir. Short sweet and quick to the point!
Thank you for the comment Adomas!
Excellent Video and information. LOL.... I've seen so many therapists say you shouldn't ever have the patient c/o pain during tx. Ive found that doesn't work :) When I personally went to the chrio for arm pain, he used active release, and I was better instantly from nerve pain acquired during moving. It hurt like hell, but I was instantly better. I use it on my patients, and most the time they gain ROM and at least 50% or more pain reduction. I wish the surgeons would listen to people like you because sometimes, they just don't have a clue.
What a brilliant doctor. Love this video.
Don’t know all the terminology, but a very logical, common sense explanation. 👍👍
I agree, and this is a great demonstration and visuals. I have also found that all the coracoid process muscles can be injured, tight, scar tissue, etc. After the tissue is addressed, I love eccentric lengthening exercises.
Awesome video! My husband (who does a lot of weight lifting) recently went to a PT for some nagging shoulder pain and the pec stretches they gave him made a big difference. So now I'm excited to test out some of these massage techniques and assisted stretches to give him some more relief. Thanks for such a thorough video!
Great video. Took me 18 months to find out it was the pec minor
Great video, informative and straight to the point. Really enjoy watching your workshops, thank you!
Thank you Elley! I hope it helps your patients with anterior shoulder pain.
Doug, I’m so glad that I was able to be part of your learning and experimental! Lol
Great explanation and video as always!
Your welcome. Hope the shoulder pain is getting better!
I have watched so many videos and this is one of the best and most informative I have come across. Thank you very much for such great and clear information.
Your welcome Matija!
Can tight pec minor cause rear shoulder pain bossman? I assume so since the mechanics will be all over the place. I have a rounded shoulder, and I do notice the tendency of my arm to internally rotate when I do everything (steering, etc.)
Great information and you explain it in a very simple way to understand. Thanks please keep doing videos
Thank you Darrius!
Thank you, it really helped me a lot.
Seems to help. I overlooked this muscle and most of the stuff online does as well. Thanks
Great information
Please show where to work to release sternum pain.my sternum popped after I rolled over in bed.
Sent shooting pain and sent all muscles on right side into spasm.
Could not catch breath. Went to ER 10/11/23. DX costochondritis.
Ice helped, heat made it worse.
The side pain and spasm left after 4 days.
But the center of sternum has a lump in it and still in alot of pain .
Doctors said X-ray showed nothing.
I’m going to try this massage but if you have other methods I would be so grateful.
Happy new year
Very informative thank you so much!
You're Welcome Maryanne!
Standing ovation. Learn so much
Thank you for posting the visuals!! Have had two years of agony and anguish, dealing with progressively worsening shoulder neck and back pain with over ten unhelpful (expensive) doctors and a few who helped one aspect of the issues. I have shoulder bursitis, osteoarthritis of the SC Joint and a herniated disc. I think something is wrong with my serratus anterior, but can’t get doctors to take it seriously, even though I’ve been through the imaging and proved I have osteoarthritis and need help. Do you have any advice? Any specific specialist types I should google? Anyone in CA? Thank you for any and all help, including these videos ❤
This is exactly what i needed, thanks a lot
I had rotatorcuff issues about a year ago. Now due to work I have pain right on the bicep tendons followed by a tight pec minor and bicep. Mostly on short head.
Thank you so much you are absolutely amazing.Thank you again 🙏❤️
Thanks. You just confirmed where my pain originates
Great video, can it be also done with la cross ball on the ground?
For the stretching...absolutely Szyszak! Pec minor and major will get a good stretch as well as the biceps brachii from ABduction of arm.
you are a genius
This pec minor is often the real problem, but is a bear to stretch .
Thank you for this… I just want to say that.
Can any of this cause neck pain or does neck pain cause tight pec minor?Is the pec minor muscle close the the arm fat by the crease? I def have rounded shoulders but also have pain on the shoulder blade as well.
That is my question too. I hope he has some thoughts.
@@AB-fw3ou Still waiting for a response but it's been months so may not get one
Just found out yesterday that the pec minor had me in pain after my frozen shoulder surgery
Hello,
could this condition be mimmicking tge Parsonage turner syndrome regarding biceps or deltoid atrophy etc.?
been having pain in shoulder and biceps.pec minor is definelty tight .when i try to stretch my pecs out i get pain in my bicep and shoulder. do you have any suggestions? how to stretch it out
Good video, and maybe I missed it, but this video doesn’t tell me how to distinguish if it’s actually the pec minor or subscapularis causing shoulder issue. If I massage or press on the trigger points in the teres or subscapularis region, I feel referred pain to the shoulder region. But massaging the pec minor area doesn’t cause any referred shoulder pain. Is the patient suppose to feel ‘anything’ while the pec minor is being worked on? Should they feel referred shoulder pain or anything.
if your on the pec minor and it feels like sand in the eye to the patient, you know its the problem. If you have to search hard for it its not the problem. pec minor is the easiest muscle to palpate.
With a hypertonic pec minor causing scapular protraction and anterior tilt, could that be the causal reason for radial nerve compression and subsequent triceps and pec atrophy/weakness? The hypertonic pec minor seems as though it would also be the causal point for a hypertonic coracobrachialis and biceps brachii as mentioned in the video.
I have experienced distinct lateral head triceps atrophy along with an inability to fully contract my pec, triceps and even lat over the past 5 months. I never experienced an injury per se, but did take a full contact punch to that same pec a week before I started to experience the weakness and parasthesia. The punch did not phase me at all at the time, so I dismissed it. But now I have distinct tightness mostly in the proximal biceps, coracobrachialis, pec minor, teres major, and external rotators.
Yes that's been my experience. The assisting muscles of the PC (CB. BB ) are self casting to relieve the pec minor causing internal rotation. That makes the lateral head of the triceps over stretch and signals muscle spindles to continue to relax.
Less contraction feels like atrophy.
The way I correct it on myself is to hang from a pull up bar with supinated grip with my feet on a chair slightly posterior to shoulders.
Over a mouth of daily hanging the signaling stops and a return to normal seems to ensue.
Hi there,
could a hypertonic biceps or pec muscle be mistaken for atrophic?
This is what Im suffering many years now and I don’t know but doctors diagnosed it as COSTHOCONDRITIS i have so many scan and blood test coz i though i have a heart problem but they said nothing wrong with my heart
You are legend
thanks for the video. i go the infos i needed.
could the the tingling of my little finger and ring finger be cause by the pecs minor?
Hi Oscar, Yes it could. Look up "thoracic outlet syndrome" on my channel. I would also go to a doctor for a diagnosis. Information is half the battle. Hope the best.
@@hollandmassagereflexology2000 thanks
@@hollandmassagereflexology2000 i watched your other video. i think it has something to do with thoracic outlet. thanks again.
Found this video because I found by experimentation that a massage ball in my chest / armpit area relieves my scapula pain for a few hours.
Good vid
How long does it take to release a tight pec minor?? Please reply
It depends on how tight it is to begin with. Many times I hold pressure till I feel it release. If holding pressure alone doesn't work I add shoulder rotations. In some instances I've had the patient move their arm across their chest to the opposite shoulder, back to neutral, and then do rotations while I pin the muscle. It is really effective. Holland is teaching something vital to releasing shoulders. Very good teacher!
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