Be an Old Worn Hymnal Guy in a Digital Screen Addicted World
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One of the reasons I love the hymns is because they have been tested by time and have been sung by generations.
Beautuful, that the hymnal books are worn out from use in the gathering of God's redeemed and grateful people.
I agree. I stopped buying many digital books a while back. I'd gladly pay full price for a hardback book. That way the woke crowd can't have it canceled off my electronic device.
Same here brother! I love the fact that I can make text larger on the Kindle, but for the past few years, all I’ve bought are sturdy hardbacks that will last knowing what’s inside won’t ever change for the very reason you stated.
@@67MercuryXR7 amen!!
Yes! I love my ereader, but I use it sparingly. I have the Bible on it (in addition to my physical study one), favorite re-reads that I also have physical copies of, and other books that I wouldn't be crushed if they suddenly disappeared. (Because that IS coming!)
Love this. My church sings almost exclusively modern worship and while non of it stands out as heretical, very little seems very deep. My church loves God and the Bible but the music has always seemed lacking to me. Good video.
100% agree Matthew. Every day I enjoy sitting down with either an old hymnal or the Psalter to pray. The beauty of it is that I know I’m not going to wake up some day and find that all the words inside were changed or deleted to fit whatever crazy mood society is in.
I always prefer physical copies of the Bible and related Holy books instead of digital copies. The wear shows character in study, your mind/muscle memory recognizes where in a book a beloved passage is with use, and an update from a bad actor won't change the meaning/use of words like they can do on digital platforms.
Edit: I meant to add, I've found that as you grow more mature in the Word and the actual meaning of passages, some old-time hymns/songs no longer fit unless you change the words. One that comes to mine is: "Build My Mansion"
I'm an old, worn Psalter kind of guy. What better songs are there to sing than those that are divinely inspired!
I write my own songs in my devotions, I read the scriptures and then write Gospel songs
This is really great, you should share them sometime
@@Faithful247 I do on Instagram under the username benduckitt
I grew up on that green Lutheran hymnal! After recently moving down south it was very hard to find a conservative church without a screen!
As a reformed baptist I love “old blue” the baptist edition of the red trinity hymnal! A dear Presbyterian brother donated to my family 5 old worn church red trinity hymnals a few months back and they’ve been a blessing to my family!
I grew up in legalistic pentecostal churches where they only sang whatever their favorite artists came out with at the time. Worship was synonymous with emotion there. I was always a black sheep, never included or acknowledged. I never had a charismatic experience and I thank God for it. Im now in a reformed baptist church and the hymns are just amazing and God exalting. True praise. About God not us. I had to get myself a copy and its so sad to think of all I’ve missed out on. But now I can share in centuries of worship. Brothers, please pray for me. My wife refuses to acknowledge the truth I present to her. She has not followed me to the church I am in but stayed in the pentecostal church i had to leave. They do not preach the bible there and teach all sorts of errors, and acknowledge false prophets over scripture. Their “prophets” literally prophesy things that go against the clear teaching of scripture but they are accepted as true even by the people that know those “prophets” do not have fruit but exhibit all the fruit of the flesh. Please pray that my wife’s eyes will be opened and that she will submit to God and then as a wife and follow me.
I attend a Landmark Baptist Church (non-protestants)that is a Sovereign Grace Church not to get mixed up with the reformed Baptist's. We sing 7 hymns on Sunday morning and Sunday night. I've grown to enjoy a old, worn out hymn book.
I recently attended a worship service complete with smoke machine and throbbing lights. As I'd never heard the songs before, I glanced around to see if any men were singing. They were not - in fact they were staring stoically ahead. I realized that 1) they also didn't know the song, 2) the song was pitched far too high for them, and 3) the melodies had too many triplets or other vocal pyrotechnics for them to duplicate. Why, oh why??
I am here in South Africa and we speak Afrikaans. We subscribe to the Nederlandse Gloofsbelydenis, which is actually the Belgian confession. We sing the Psalms and Hymns.I also downloaded the Westminster Confession and the London Confession. I love your channel..
Yes, please donate your old church hymnals to others! The group of college students at my church and I were able to get around twelve used trinity reds at a Presbytery. Through us the books had a second life and we would sing with them together as a group frequently (I since picked up a used copy of the Trinity Psalter hymnal and also have enjoyed that too)
I grew up with contemporary music and so when I became Presbyterian, I considered hymns a necessary con for listening to good theology. When I realized the priority of solid lyrics and the focus on worshipping God rather than jamming out for ourselves, it clicked for me. I genuinely enjoy hymns over contemporary music now.
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Great video!
I love the thought put into this. My only disagreement would be that we should be an old worn Psalter people. The only difference between hymns and the new additions of songs are their age. Whether they have been sung for generations doesn't matter as much as whether or not they were written by the Lord for His people. I know we are in agreement with what I have heard you say in the past. Let's be a Psalm singing people!
Agreed. I grew up in the old Southern Presbyterian Church and the old red The Hymnbook still has sentimental value for me. Both Trinity Hymnals are sound as well. When I became an Anglican via the Reformed Episcopal Church the old Book of Common Praise was pretty dreadful but thankfully it was replaced with an outstanding update in 2017 that is the finest hymnal for traditional Anglicans of which I'm aware. My own parish uses the 1940 hymnal but I suspect we will be transitioning to the newer Book of Common Praise at some point.
Most everything you right about hymnals also goes for Prayer Books and the like -- you can project it on a screen and you can read it on your phone or tablet (and I have apps for that and the Bible for convenience), but it's not the same as holding the book in your hand.
Well said.
Our church uses that hymnal!
Well done!
I loved that you pointed out that we have enough screens in our life. My wife and I teach a youth group, and people are surprised that I don't use the TV or computer in the room. We each have Bibles, and my wife and I use a whiteboard for key points. I think it's very important that our teens get a little time where nobody looks at a screen.
I would love one of those hymnals you're giving away!
I know, right?
I’m not reformed and I don’t sing hymnals (often), But I couldn’t agree more with you. We must guard our worship to the Lord with sound doctrine.
Be aware that Amazon is charging about double the price of the PCA and OPC bookstores for the Trinity Hymnal and Trinity Psalter Hymnal
I absolutely feel you on this topic. I struggle with the "band music" in churches these days. I have no issue with enjoying Christian pop music, but it has never felt quite right at church. I recently found my mom's old copy of our Presbyterian hymnal (red with both English and Chinese in it!) and I felt sooo much more connected to the songs than I ever had with today's tunes. Even better, I loved getting to share it with my kids.
A good observation pastor Matt 😺
Dr Everhard, I attend a RPCNA congregation the same one that Scott H who was on a podcast with you and I believe Barry Y….I was already watching you by then 😀) I thought it was awesome. I would love an old trinity hymnal for personal devotion and I have all of the book repair stuff to bring it to life. You should see my first “repair LOL” A.A. Hodge WCF commentary from the RP library in an RP Sunday School it’s from 1830s I think.
I Love hymns as well. I’m not against contemporary worship music, it just isn’t my favorite. Too much like a rock concert for my taste. I find such reverence in the Lord when I hear a wonderful hymn. Thanks for sharing. Truly appreciate your content.
I like hymnals and screens. The more kinds of worship the better!
@@alephnaught8343 Because the Bible says let everything that has breath praise the Lord, birds and animals praise the Lord in their own language, teenagers can praise the Lord in their own language, rock stars can praise the Lord in their own language. All praising the Lord is good, no matter what denomination, language or music preference. We should all praise the Lord in every way possible, not just one way or the highway!
@@alephnaught8343 Would you think differently about modern digital worship if that was done in the past, like say in Biblical Times but Hymals were popular today? Teens are raised with technology unlike the older generation. I think it's perfectly fine to worship in any way that you have access to, whether it be an old hymnal or on youtube for example. We use youtube and that is digital and modern.
@@alephnaught8343 I don't see one way of worshiping God is inferior to another. I would think God would want all worship in every language, form, etc. The Bible talks about the sky worshipping God and the oceans. They don't have a hymnal. I think it's personal preference. A hymnal is the best way for certain people to worship and maybe Ozzy Osbourne would want to worship God through rock music. I don't know, he may prefer a hymnal. There is heavy metal and there is classical and the reason is personal preference. It doesn't mean one is inferior to the other. Some people won't listen to a Bach concerto because they can't relate to it whatsoever and others can relate to a song by The Clash for example. Each person is made in the image of God and each have their own experience of what it means to worship. If you prefer a 1611 hymnal, great, if you prefer worshipping from home, great but to say one way of worshipping is inferior to another I don't get. When the woman poured the perfume on Jesus, a lot of people thought that was inferior as well. Maybe she should have used a 1611 hymnal, but that didn't exist yet. Times have changed and technology is a big part of the century. Technology is here whether we like it or not. Times change and that's ok. The same argument is the KJVO argument. Some say we shouldn't have modern translations, that they are inferior to the 1611 KJV. Some prefer a modern translation. It comes down to preference.
I love hymns, I have several hymnals in my music library I enjoy playing piano and singing from in my devo time, but as I can see from my profile pic yes I lead worship at a contemporary church.
I can hardly stand how 80% of what we do is bethel Hillsong or elevation of which I have no say. We include ONE hymn per week required by our main church campus’s worship pastor. (We have 18 campuses across our state).
I find value and can worship to contemporary worship, then again there are few songs that are as theological rich. Leading worship from our viewpoint is sometimes discouraging for lack of audience/congregation participation. But in our community here in the “Bible belt” so many have been given up in church and it feels kind a consumerist culture these days in the church world just to keep people coming it’s sad. I’m getting burnt out on the contemporary non-denom church world but don’t think I fit in any particular denomination so I just keep on serving where I’m at.
Love both hymns and contemporary Christian music. Its all good, IMO. But I need a physical Bible.
Amen!!!!
"...one's own experience of things spiritual...". Maybe I misunderstood that part of your comment. Definitely, if somebody has an spiritual experience that is not in harmony with scripture, yes, that is dangerous. We mustn't rely on feelings and emotions. However, I do believe there is a danger, when the church focuses on indoctrination of a individual and not on ministering and helping someone have a personal experience with Christ.
I grew up Non-practicing Catholic and with a learning disability. Soon after I was introduced to the bible, I was quickly ushered into the Do's and Don't's. I didn't even know what the bible references were for or how to study the Bible. There was also a lot of turmoil in the church about music and worship. Eventually my life became about being ready for the 2nd coming. Now, I don't go to church and have a difficult time with my perseption of God. Intellectually I don't think God is a taskmaster, but with all the heavy meat I was fed; why can't people learn at a good and understandable pace? Sometimes I think the church can get in the way and ruin people's lives.
Have you done a video about your move from pentecostal church to the presbyterian?
Never been a pentecostal so I wouldn't know...
I go to a Bible church and I hate the music. I can't call it praise music because I have to wear ear plugs to make it through. I have two hymn books from garage sales that I love.
I agree with you. I, too wear earplugs because the volume is so loud.
This was so educating. I’ve been a believer for 38 years, raised by agnostics/atheist but saved in an old Evangelical Free church I attended with a friend’s family. Wandered through Charismania into a sweet Friend’s church, and through a move, now into Contemporary Evangelical Church.
Over the years, the worship has become a production an always felt emotionally manipulative to my hubby.
Now we are looking for a Reformed church of some kind just like yours. Do you have any recommendations for Riverside, California?
I have a good friend on staff at a church in Victorville not far from you.
Look up High Desert Church Victorville.
They are non-denominational but I believe you may find good community there as a reformed believer. I’m way over here in Arkansas but I have watch a few of there services and know my pastor friend out there well who loves it there and he uprooted his whole family from here to join and serve that community and they’re doing very well there.
There's lot's of United Reformed Churches around the inland valley I would recommend they all have this style of worship look up URC.
It's the continental European version of Presbyterianism, there's many in your area because of the history of the Dutch dairy community around Chino.
There's Ontario URC just off the Euclid exit if your willing to take the 60 freeway.
@@jdkayak7868 thank you 😊
@@DevinWardMusic unfortunately that’s about an 1 1/2 drive. I thank you so much for responding, though. 😊
I would love one of those hymnals but can’t find a way to get one here in the UK
What is the name of your hymnal. I’m southern Baptist, but the hymnal I use is an old 1948 green broadman hymnal. I’m just need of orthodoxy in the sea of silly songs.
What do you think of a church using a screen yet not having a band upfront.
I play guitar at my church just so there is music along with the singing congregation.
There are also hymns for those that want.
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I'm probably giving away my age, but I just don't like the contemporary style of music. Regardless of the doctrine behind the lyrics, I don't feel inclined to learn the tune.
Our church mixes the old and the new. I'll muddle through the new, following on the screen, but I'll use the hymnal when I can. At least I can read the music and know what to sing.
I’m this way with bibles. I wanna switch to the NKJV, but don’t have the funds to get one, even a inexpensive one. And people are telling me to just use an app. The apps are good, but it can be distracting. You could be reading and get a notification. And then go off talking to someone who texted/messaged you or whatever.
What translation do you currently read?
@@apracity7672 kjv
It deleted my comment due to my email address. Your email is current in your profile correct? I'll send you my info I'll get you one.
@@nicholasgee9127 what? Why do you ask?
@@twiceborn_by_grace
You asked about getting a NKJV Bible.
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Does anyone have an online ressource that they can link in the reply section that I can check out that has good hymns?
The hymnals are more Biblically sound
I have heard that the Trinity Hymnal has hymns in it written my Unitarians, Feminists, Arminians and other heretics. People like to talk about how bad modern so called worship music is and how it's coming from very heretical places but Hymns should not get free pass.
It is probable that Isaac Watts was a heretic and what he said about the Psalms and his improvement of them was pretty messed up.
Exclusive Psalmody is what the church needs to get back to.
No the problem is people are not willing to search for the modern songs with good theology instead of Hillsong think CityAlight, instead of Bethel think Sovereign Grace. Keith and Krysten Getty write in the older style as well