Picked up a lady in the evening, friendly conversation. She tells me she’s reserved a 150 mile trip for the next morning and wonders if it may come to me. Asked her how much was she paying Uber, $400 she he said, I offered to take her for $300. She said “that’s unfair, I’ll give the $400 cash, pick me up at 8am”
Good job but you have to be careful you're not getting fished. If you're caught doing this police can tow your car and fine you (on top of impound fine)
Very good logic and seeing your calculations. I dont drive uber. I dont know if id want to put 200 miles and 4 hours for 1 trip. The $206.00 seems a bit low.
Great topic, great video. You drove almost 300 miles less. Extrapolate that out over a year, and that is massive savings. Reducing repair cost and accident cost is huge.
It is amazing that this kind of advice and free intuitive information is out here and still there desperate drivers. This is why Uber is still treating us like nothing.
I took one very close to that a couple weeks ago, mainly because the timing was ok and I wanted to test out the NYC driving. The $16 Holland tunnel charge sucked out a lot and then no tip. Not great. More charging time for me but no fuel costs so plus and minus there... Overall I could possibly go either way but I certainly wouldn't jump for another one...
No long trip is worth taking any longer… Why would I take less than a dollar per mile? Earlier this year the pay was way better! Not working for free!!!
That's a negative, Ghostrider, on that trip. During track season here in Saratoga I see a lot of trips to NYC & NJ. I don't take them and I'm closer to NYC than you. Something else to consider: Theoretically, you could've gotten a trip or two on the way home which would've increased your income and possibility of tips.
Wheres the calculation for tolls. Theres going to be at least one toll going into new york city from upstate new york. Either throughway and or bridges.
The first trip was going to the Columbia university area and the second trip was going to the time square area two totally different trips and the second one was going to hit you over the head
I envy the fact that ya can see where you’re going to drop in NYC it’s only time based how they show the trip and you have to have an 85% plus accepting rate to see that lol
That trip actually costs $789.45 without tip or tolls. 20% mandatory gratuity because that driver has to drive back 224.7 miles back to his/her township and pay tolls again, since it's highly unlikely he/she will get a return trip. Actual Total fare is $947.34. Based on NYC rates of course.
Is it a foregone conclusion that the entire return trip would be an empty leg? Would your calculus change if you thought you could get another long ride in the other direction?
😃:”Hello sir would like a discount on this ride? I’ll do it for $400” 😁: “sure you just saved me $75…your a smart guy” 😀:”no problem…at first I was gonna decline and make 12 RUclips videos to try and make up the loss but thank god common sense came along!”
When I take long trips it's because I feel like doing something different, seeing another part of my State. Possibly having a great interesting conversation. It's never profit because I'm going to drive home empty. The 1hr trips to a city near by I can get ride back and if that happens it's really good. But going 4hrs you have 0% chance of a ride back. And your math just proves to me that people driving those crossover SUVs don't make money ever. My Model 3 std range is $0.18 per mile no matter how I run the numbers, that's as high as I can go. And that's after 80,000 Uber miles in 14 months. It's all about your cost per mile!
Nope. You have to assume most (if not all) of the return trip is going to be deadheading. Lets' do the math. True distance: 250 miles True time: 8.5 hours Estimated expenses (at $0.35/mile): $87 Net after expenses: $118 Net Hourly: $14 per hour. If you're in the mood to be driving for the next 8 hours, there might be a good private ride conversion opportunity here. I'd wager uber is charging the rider somewhere in the neighborhood of $400 give or take. Do the math on $400 for the trip. ($400-$87)/8.5 = $36.80 per hour. Not earth shattering, but far more palatable. An interesting thing I've discovered on some of these kinds of long trips, about 15-20% of the riders are going to need a ride back later in the day. Although if you're going to do that, get at least a 50% non-refundable deposit UPFRONT. The flake rate can be pretty high.
A four hour ride -- each way for $200? That's the entire day. I don't think that would work for me. If there was a cash-side-tip for about $250+ more, then sure.
Hard pass on the 4.80 rating long distance. Ask yourself, do you really want to ride 4-5 hrs with a person rated low. They could be very high maintenance, bad conversation, etc... and no tip? Im like you Levi, i work for and earn big tips. It involves more dead miles, but i write off all miles door to door daily. I prefer 20-30 mile airport runs. I dont like to brag, but because i work those kinds of trips, i get tips 90% of trips.
I wouldnt have taken it. I don't do long trips. They're rarely ever worth it and I really can't stand having strangers in my car for any longer than 10-20 minutes. Short and sweet trips for me all day!!
@@tipyouintheappyou guys sound like whiners! It’s a job, deal with it! Seriously, if you don’t like conversing, maybe they should give you a lower rating!
I would Never take a trip like that after gas and tolls maybe only make 140 profit and put 400 miles on car uber is crazy I don't know how they get drivers it's the cheapest and worst company I ever worked for I really dislike them
I would have pulled up and ask the rider for $400. I would have been upfront and told the ride that the Uber fare is too low and I will accept $400. But, the rider has to cancel the ride and then I will switch off my app. I did that recently to a rider. I ask for $20 and she said her smallest bill was $50. I told her I don't have change and she said to keep the change. She paid me $50.
From someone who has been driving for 10 years, 30, 000 rides (same car I should point it out), I do not expect tips. The riders are being ripped off already. And I do not accept rides that pay me more 30 dollars a pop, because they are not worth it. You do your math!
You wouldn’t wanna work in Orlando then because they do not tip well down here list the five star drivers don’t really tip that well and that’s a rarity for me. I got nothing but mainly five star drivers all day I mean riders and only two of them tipped out of the 18 rides I did.
It's like this Levy you can't win them all but there is a butt in the butt is you just got to know where the hot spots are at in your area.I know where my hotspots are at in my area and all it takes is a little patience not everyone is going to tip especially in my area so you got to find other cities that you know they got money and it's really simple you just got to know in the area how people are living and that's your answer❤
You can always accept the trip then ask the passenger for a return fee to get you back home. Paid upfront , cash or Venmo before you go. If they decline, cancel the trip. Depending on the time of day, you may have to get a hotel room to sleep. Add the hotel room to the return fee. All rides should make sense for the driver, or why do them? It's crazy to lose money on a ride as soon as you start driving. The Uber fee, plus the return fee is still probably cheaper than a cab ride. The cab rides build in the return fee. Uber doesn't.
Sound logic... however... i would love if UBER made these long trips worth it for us... i don't think there is anyway they can because the margin is too small... however I would much prefer to do one, two or three trips per day as opposed to 20-25 trips... why? while most people are perfectly fine.. it's the law of averages... Deal with 3 people per day or deal with 25? Yes the short trips are the most profitable in terms of dollars per mile, at least in Albany.. but like i said... Dealing with all those people could present issues depending on your market.
But there’s a difference between me and you I do not drive an electric car. I drive a gas car which I would’ve took that trip filled up my gas and worked where I was. I’m making another $200.
Well $200 for 200 miles round trip is 400 total about 8 hours plus a rest break be out 9 hours easily but 8 working hours dead heading back if your car gets 35 mpg about $40 in gas $200-$40 $160 for 8 hours GAS ONLY never mind wearing tires brakes belts hoses depreciation forget about all that ….hmmmm……nah
I understand why you declined that long trip but I would had taken that fare. Moat of my best tips come from either airport runs or long drives like that. At least you didn't have to put a lot of miles on your car.
Uber math. They are paying hourly as promised. Put in trip request and see what the passenger would be paying. I took a long trip passenger paid $200 I got $48 no tip, only reason I took it was on my way home, at 3 A.M. in my region, the promise is $24 per hour. Took 2 hours exactly. Uber math....I did on another quiet day get the difference of $20 added after I clocked out.
You didn't even add tolls or gas for the average driver.Your calculations just seem lazy as hell 😂😂😂😂.. If you're trying to Is warn other drivers terrible job
Picked up a lady in the evening, friendly conversation. She tells me she’s reserved a 150 mile trip for the next morning and wonders if it may come to me. Asked her how much was she paying Uber, $400 she he said, I offered to take her for $300. She said “that’s unfair, I’ll give the $400 cash, pick me up at 8am”
Your personal car insurance is void while you drive her during that cash trip. Do you have alternate insurance?
Good job but you have to be careful you're not getting fished. If you're caught doing this police can tow your car and fine you (on top of impound fine)
1)Accept trip, 2)Google Street view, 3)use your superpowers of prejudice to determine the likelyhood of tip, 4)Cancel or continue
Best rideshare comment of the year
Lol I guess you don't to most spanish/black neighborhoods 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I personally never tip!
City - no
Mid range living space - probably
Rich - no, or is business required
Very good logic and seeing your calculations.
I dont drive uber. I dont know if id want to put 200 miles and 4 hours for 1 trip. The $206.00 seems a bit low.
This is such a great video/ breakdown Levi!
They won’t pay drivers for the tolls coming back which can be expensive in NYC area.
That guy probably paid Uber around $400.00. That ride was clearly a decline. Dont burn yourself out chasing scraps
More like 550
@@Joseph-w4z Yea you're probably right. That's an insane split Uber is taking
In Brazil on this trip uber offer 100 bucks max, thats sad
@@alexandre4196 that's terrible
I can’t stand to have anyone in my car for longer than 30 minutes.
It depends. I like nice people. The sleepers don't bother me too much either. But the talkers can be tiring. 😂
2017 used to take trips from New York to Philadelphia 90 miles , 1hr 30 min for $275
Great topic, great video. You drove almost 300 miles less. Extrapolate that out over a year, and that is massive savings. Reducing repair cost and accident cost is huge.
Exactly! Miles Matter! ❤️
4 hours there and four hours back. $20 an hour before expenses. F that.
It’s easy math. 😀👍🏻
More customers equal more tip opportunities. I would also add more opportunities to convert them into private rides as well.
It’s what a lot of drivers do
No upfront pay or trip info here
It is amazing that this kind of advice and free intuitive information is out here and still there desperate drivers. This is why Uber is still treating us like nothing.
Some pretty good advice
Thanks!
I took one very close to that a couple weeks ago, mainly because the timing was ok and I wanted to test out the NYC driving. The $16 Holland tunnel charge sucked out a lot and then no tip. Not great. More charging time for me but no fuel costs so plus and minus there...
Overall I could possibly go either way but I certainly wouldn't jump for another one...
No long trip is worth taking any longer…
Why would I take less than a dollar per mile?
Earlier this year the pay was way better!
Not working for free!!!
That's a negative, Ghostrider, on that trip. During track season here in Saratoga I see a lot of trips to NYC & NJ. I don't take them and I'm closer to NYC than you.
Something else to consider: Theoretically, you could've gotten a trip or two on the way home which would've increased your income and possibility of tips.
Maybe there are trips back, but it’s rarer than the 4.83 rating tipping. 🤣
@@tipyouintheapp Good point.
Great video.
Thanks! ❤️
Wheres the calculation for tolls. Theres going to be at least one toll going into new york city from upstate new york. Either throughway and or bridges.
Great point! I have no idea.
Hi Levi sorry the second trip wasn’t the same but it was going further south for way less
They're the same trip. 4.83 rating. Same pick up and drop off. Did I miss something?
@@tipyouintheapp well sir sorry to inform those are two totally different addresses look at it again lol
The first trip was going to the Columbia university area and the second trip was going to the time square area two totally different trips and the second one was going to hit you over the head
This is why I never look at the rating sometimes it’s useless and the drivers giving the ratings are doing it for the most dumbest reasons lol
I envy the fact that ya can see where you’re going to drop in NYC it’s only time based how they show the trip and you have to have an 85% plus accepting rate to see that lol
That trip actually costs $789.45 without tip or tolls. 20% mandatory gratuity because that driver has to drive back 224.7 miles back to his/her township and pay tolls again, since it's highly unlikely he/she will get a return trip. Actual Total fare is $947.34. Based on NYC rates of course.
Ask the customer what they paid then make a better deal off the app
💯💯💯
No thanks
Make sure you have a commercial insurance with a for hire LLC when doing that
@@NuelsangHeavens just say you're driving a friend
Is it a foregone conclusion that the entire return trip would be an empty leg? Would your calculus change if you thought you could get another long ride in the other direction?
The long way road is not worth it at all. They should book an airplane or Taxi instead.
😃:”Hello sir would like a discount on this ride? I’ll do it for $400”
😁: “sure you just saved me $75…your a smart guy”
😀:”no problem…at first I was gonna decline and make 12 RUclips videos to try and make up the loss but thank god common sense came
along!”
I think a lot of drivers are choosing this option for sure.
That’s insane. Calculating the miles and mins. WAV owners will earn $528 for that ride. In NYC
When I take long trips it's because I feel like doing something different, seeing another part of my State. Possibly having a great interesting conversation. It's never profit because I'm going to drive home empty. The 1hr trips to a city near by I can get ride back and if that happens it's really good. But going 4hrs you have 0% chance of a ride back. And your math just proves to me that people driving those crossover SUVs don't make money ever. My Model 3 std range is $0.18 per mile no matter how I run the numbers, that's as high as I can go. And that's after 80,000 Uber miles in 14 months. It's all about your cost per mile!
I agree! Sometimes I take long trips for fun. The adventure. Never the money.
You drove 80,000 miles in 14 months? 😮😮😮
Nope.
You have to assume most (if not all) of the return trip is going to be deadheading.
Lets' do the math.
True distance: 250 miles
True time: 8.5 hours
Estimated expenses (at $0.35/mile): $87
Net after expenses: $118
Net Hourly: $14 per hour.
If you're in the mood to be driving for the next 8 hours, there might be a good private ride conversion opportunity here. I'd wager uber is charging the rider somewhere in the neighborhood of $400 give or take.
Do the math on $400 for the trip. ($400-$87)/8.5 = $36.80 per hour. Not earth shattering, but far more palatable.
An interesting thing I've discovered on some of these kinds of long trips, about 15-20% of the riders are going to need a ride back later in the day. Although if you're going to do that, get at least a 50% non-refundable deposit UPFRONT. The flake rate can be pretty high.
Good analysis
they dont have car and they are on the way to relocate
A four hour ride -- each way for $200? That's the entire day.
I don't think that would work for me. If there was a cash-side-tip for about $250+ more, then sure.
“ tip you in the app “ biggest lie ever lmao
Love the name of ur channel bro
Ha! 😂😉
Did you ask what customer paid and what was your percentage.
No
Hard pass on the 4.80 rating long distance. Ask yourself, do you really want to ride 4-5 hrs with a person rated low. They could be very high maintenance, bad conversation, etc... and no tip?
Im like you Levi, i work for and earn big tips. It involves more dead miles, but i write off all miles door to door daily. I prefer 20-30 mile airport runs. I dont like to brag, but because i work those kinds of trips, i get tips 90% of trips.
Great job! ❤️❤️❤️
if that trip originated in NYC that would be a $400 trip with out the tip
Depends.
@@tipyouintheapp $1.36 a mile and .58 cents a minute if its not $ 400 it should be close. Depends on what ?
The 4.83 rating alone would have made me decline this ride.
Exactly!
I wouldnt have taken it. I don't do long trips. They're rarely ever worth it and I really can't stand having strangers in my car for any longer than 10-20 minutes. Short and sweet trips for me all day!!
My last long ride passenger talked my ear off. It’s a little exhausting.😂
@@tipyouintheappyou guys sound like whiners!
It’s a job, deal with it!
Seriously, if you don’t like conversing, maybe they should give you a lower rating!
You sound like a whiner.
Anti social whiner at that.
$200 in 1 day. I'm lucky to make that in a week.
this would have to be $300 to $400 to be accepted
Agreed
I would Never take a trip like that after gas and tolls maybe only make 140 profit and put 400 miles on car uber is crazy I don't know how they get drivers it's the cheapest and worst company I ever worked for I really dislike them
No dead mile back trips……it’s a curse
True!
I would have pulled up and ask the rider for $400. I would have been upfront and told the ride that the Uber fare is too low and I will accept $400. But, the rider has to cancel the ride and then I will switch off my app. I did that recently to a rider. I ask for $20 and she said her smallest bill was $50. I told her I don't have change and she said to keep the change. She paid me $50.
That ride pays $110 where I am
$25/hr not terrible rate at 8hrs DT but id decline as well. Too long of trip for me
Imagine getting stuck in NyC traffic.
I can’t believe you passed on a $2 bonus! (Just kidding, Internet)
It was tempting! 😂
@@tipyouintheapp LOL!!!
From someone who has been driving for 10 years, 30, 000 rides (same car I should point it out), I do not expect tips. The riders are being ripped off already. And I do not accept rides that pay me more 30 dollars a pop, because they are not worth it. You do your math!
You wouldn’t wanna work in Orlando then because they do not tip well down here list the five star drivers don’t really tip that well and that’s a rarity for me. I got nothing but mainly five star drivers all day I mean riders and only two of them tipped out of the 18 rides I did.
Everyone tells me no one anywhere tips.
This is the way.
Decline all the time.😂
I would've of take it if I was going that way to visit a family member or friend. Or even if I had a side girl in ny😂
Good point!
I did a four hour trip. But I got $858.Oo . And yes, I came back empty.. and exhausted.
Wow! 🔥🔥🔥
Definitely wouldn’t take that!
It's like this Levy you can't win them all but there is a butt in the butt is you just got to know where the hot spots are at in your area.I know where my hotspots are at in my area and all it takes is a little patience not everyone is going to tip especially in my area so you got to find other cities that you know they got money and it's really simple you just got to know in the area how people are living and that's your answer❤
You can always accept the trip then ask the passenger for a return fee to get you back home. Paid upfront , cash or Venmo before you go. If they decline, cancel the trip. Depending on the time of day, you may have to get a hotel room to sleep. Add the hotel room to the return fee. All rides should make sense for the driver, or why do them? It's crazy to lose money on a ride as soon as you start driving. The Uber fee, plus the return fee is still probably cheaper than a cab ride. The cab rides build in the return fee. Uber doesn't.
That's one idea for sure.
They'll report you for trying to get more money and Uber can deactivate.
I would call the guy and make $400 cash ride.
In Toronto, no one tips uber drivers.
Tipping is very much an American thing.
That's a negative ghost rider all patterns are full (seats) for 350 i would do it but for 200 it's a no
Roger that Maverick! 🫡🇺🇸
I never take the trip like that 😂
Sound logic... however... i would love if UBER made these long trips worth it for us... i don't think there is anyway they can because the margin is too small... however I would much prefer to do one, two or three trips per day as opposed to 20-25 trips... why? while most people are perfectly fine.. it's the law of averages... Deal with 3 people per day or deal with 25? Yes the short trips are the most profitable in terms of dollars per mile, at least in Albany.. but like i said... Dealing with all those people could present issues depending on your market.
Good point. But imagine a bad passenger for a few hours. 😢
But there’s a difference between me and you I do not drive an electric car. I drive a gas car which I would’ve took that trip filled up my gas and worked where I was. I’m making another $200.
Gas cars are great for long trips for sure! 👍🏻😀
Well $200 for 200 miles round trip is 400 total about 8 hours plus a rest break be out 9 hours easily but 8 working hours dead heading back if your car gets 35 mpg about $40 in gas $200-$40 $160 for 8 hours GAS ONLY never mind wearing tires brakes belts hoses depreciation forget about all that ….hmmmm……nah
Fuel can be super expensive.
Hell no
That trip is complete trash. Cab driver pay from the early to mid 90's.
Great point!
No sir I wouldn't NOT. NOT.
THERE CHARGING THE RIDER 500$ .. FOR PEANUTS 🥜.........
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Greatest!
I understand why you declined that long trip but I would had taken that fare. Moat of my best tips come from either airport runs or long drives like that. At least you didn't have to put a lot of miles on your car.
Uber and Lyft is not the real problem ,drivers like you are.
It's so hard to put all those miles on the car.
None took that trip trust me
I bet someone did for sure.
Uber math. They are paying hourly as promised. Put in trip request and see what the passenger would be paying. I took a long trip passenger paid $200 I got $48 no tip, only reason I took it was on my way home, at 3 A.M. in my region, the promise is $24 per hour. Took 2 hours exactly. Uber math....I did on another quiet day get the difference of $20 added after I clocked out.
👍🏻
Wait: you destroy your car for 20 dollars per hour, ah, duh, really, yeah.
You look like dara the robber of wages
I look more like my dad. 😂
Yeah tips
Lyft riders don't tip.
If Lyft says 4hr, it's
So 10 hrs for $200 is $20/hr
Get a real job
$206 for four hours. Yes, I would take that.
Plus four hours drive back. Gotta calculate that
How do you pay for the ride back?
Your car doesn't use gas or tires?
You didn't even add tolls or gas for the average driver.Your calculations just seem lazy as hell 😂😂😂😂.. If you're trying to Is warn other drivers terrible job
I said my expenses for fuel, maintenance, and depreciation are $0.31 per mile.
I can't wait for driverless cars to fully takeover... these bums are always thirsty for tips ..
If you were on the other side you wouldn't think like that
@@RosasResources I dont like beggars and thieves
That trip should be 1000 dollars.
$1,000 USD?
@@tipyouintheapp yeahp
It never hurt to dream 😂
Hell no