I bought an i7 13700k and 4080 pc 2 weeks ago. I've a 1440p, 165 hz monitor. Playing MS flight simulator 40th Edition on ultra settings it's absolutely smooth and fast. Swapped out my cheap case fans for Noctua fans to keep the temps low, I'm very happy with this combination.
Planning to do the same combo it is kinda pricey but it is worth it considering that it's my first PC that I've been dreaming for years and it will last plenty of years.
I’ve actually been wanting to make a 4080 build too, but I’m still hesitating, because the 50 series might come out soon, and I’ve heard that it will be a very large jump from the 40 series in terms of performance. I know there will always be new generation and gpus will keep evolving, but still.
@@Nooneknows2503 Dude, the jumps in performance won't be more than 10% to 15% maximum in the near future. Nvidia took big jumps the last few generations because the chip makers, like TSMC and Samsung, were able to shrink the process node and transistor sizes in Nvidia's GPU Chips from 14nm all the way down to 4nm now with the 4000 series. I'm guessing the 4000 series GPUs will be around until they can get good production quality out of the 3nm process. There isn't really any point in making new GPUs until TSMC has 3nm perfected. If Nvidia can make the RTX 5000 series GPUs with the 3nm process successfully, they might get more like 15% to 20% better performance. They are only getting 1nm smaller with the next process node, so it's gonna be difficult and more expensive to even hit 10% to 15% better. In the past, they went from 14nm to 10nm to 8nm and now they went from 7nm down to the 4nm they use for the RTX 4000 series. Just dropping to 3nm isn't going to be a huge jump
@@kennY_72 That's not a great plan my friend. Even though the RTX 4090 is $400 more, you get 40% to 50% better performance vs the RTX 4080. The RTX 4090 is a Much better value and really the only good GPU upgrade in the RTX 4000 series. The 7900XTX is around $950 and dropping, and performance wise, it keeps up with or beats the $1200 RTX 4080, and the 7900XTX even does pretty good with Ray Tracing. So, hopefully you can see why the choice should be between the 7900XTX for $950ish or the RTX 4090. The RTX 4090 is a monster of a GPU, and it is the King of graphics cards right now. It doesn't make any sense to buy a RTX 4080 for about $1300 after tax, when you can get the same or better performance from the 7900XTX at $950-$1000. I'm personally willing to play games at 1440p 240hz if it's a good QD-OLED monitor like the Alienware QD3423DWF or the LG 27" WOLED display. I would rather get 240fps at 1440p. I currently have an LG 27GP850-B and it's a beautiful 1440p 180hz IPS display, and I've never really liked IPS displays because of low contrast rates, but the newer good IPS displays are incredible. Still doesn't match with a QD-OLED or LG's newer OLED displays or the C2 or C3 OLED 42" or 48" TVs, but the price brackets are nowhere near each other right now.
@@catch22frubert I build my system yesterday. It is an R7 and a 7900xtx. And runs everything smoothly. BTW I already have games and all sort of stuff but I can't do EXPO because the mobo just bricks up and I had to reset it by getting the battery off. Is it secure to update after having a already build system?
nah, the i9 14900KS is better, it comes with an included nuclear reactor which I believe are worth like a couple billions of dollars most of the times all for just 700 😱😱
@@PatoChustop chatting shit I've got the 7800x3d and it's a beast and efficient as can be the 14900ks can't compete and still has to overlook so hard there running to the point of failure
What fps your getting I got the same cpu with rtx 4080 but game on 4k LG oled C1 77 inch which caps at 120 fps most games I get 110-120 fps max setting I was thinking about getting a ultra wide 1440p monitor but wanted to know what fps u getting
@@kyokushin1289you should get the lg oled 27 inch i think it’s 27GR95QE or something along them lines. 0.03 response times so it’s supppper quick and responsive, 240hz at 1440p so it’s super smooth aswell
Still rocking the 5800x3d for Valorant and Destiny 2, it's working well for me, drives my 240hz 1080p monitor plenty fine, 1% lows are never below 240 in those games.
@@ermirhalitaj5346Yea because when you have a 4080, pairing it with a 5800X3D is leaving performance on the table. Hence why they mentioned they’re still rocking it. It’s a little different when you’ve got a 6700XT and pair it up. You just sound salty asf
@@timothyjn100 No. The average fps of the 5800x3d for the most popular titels seems to be around 190. The average fps for the 4080 in 1440p ultra for those same titels is 180. Meaning the cpu and gpu are almost perfectly balanced, or slightly GPU bottlenecked. In 4k though, which is what the 4080 is marketed for its a massive GPU bottleneck where the 5800x3d isnt even being utilized to 50%. 4080 produces around 110 fps for those same titles. As clearly stated, the 5800x3d is perfectly balanced for 1440p with the 4080, and for 4k its even overkill. Its a high end cpu thats barely 1 year older than the gpu. He says it himself, hes STILL rocking it.
@@s4m146 That's a huge upgrade, congrats my man, enjoy it. I don't remember making this comment but I had a 1060 of 7 years during so and I somehow ended up getting a 4090 so it was a huge upgrade
@@poor_youtuber1390well theres the reason they have a 3060 and there trying to run the game at 1440p with ultra settings including ray tracing aint no way the 3060 gonna do all that shit 😂
These are recommendations, you don't need them but using a 10 year old CPU wont utilize the full power of a 4080! So why even buy a 4080! jesus... it's ridiculous... I have a 7800x3d paired with a 1660 super and while I do get a ridiculous amount of FPS in many games, my CPU sits at 60% most of the times while my GPU is struggling at 100%... It's not worth it.. (substitute GPU)
Ya but what the CPU "bottleneck" does is preventing you to hit high numbers but not really. Lets say you get 600fps 1080p in valorant or csgo for that matter with the i9 or 7800x3d. So we want to save money and buy the i5 13600k but now you only hit 540 fps in those games, but ffs you monitors refresh rate is lower than that anyway. Okay you get better response times with higher fps, but cmon 60fps difference is not changing anything there either. There is no game where the ryzen 7600 or i5 13600k will bottleneck you below you monitors refresh rate
@@__-fi6xg I prefer PC, but consoles are a "better" option if you only game. I agree, 4060/ti are the dumbest options available, and 7600 are also right there with them, you can't go right with neither AMD, Nvidia or Intel, the best we can do as consumers is give them the middle finger back and don't buy shit from them
@@akafede4351 man they totally talk to each other, amd and nvidia, how else can it be that both companys name their gpus a tier higher than what they actually are. its goddamn price fixing.
@@__-fi6xg yup, I agree. They are pricing their crap accordingly, even intel, they are selling crap to use consumers as beta testers them and they charge you like they are running on systems rock solid, the arc 380 should cost like 90usd, come with 3 fully supported games and a letter saying "we are sorry for stealing money from you" and I'm being mega generous. Amd and Nvidia can go to fk themselves, Nvidia for their usual bs and AMD from running the same train as Nvidia "lmao nvtards launching 8gig cards in mid 2023, not like us" silently launches 7600 with 8gigs with a facepalm day one discounting them 30dls bc they know they are trash. Sorry for the rant lmao
I got it with a i7-12700k, think there is about a 20% bottleneck in some cpu bound games but besides that it’s still a beast and I have no issues running max settings in 1440p or 4k over 150fps most cases
also for some reason they were downgrading the CPU with higher resolutions, you still need the same physics calculations and other stuff at higher resolutions, when picking a CPU you shouldn't look at resolution
I absolutely love my ryzen 7800x3d. If you're using an I9 13900 You'll need to do quite a bit of tuning, need some 7000mt ddr5 with low VL, and make sure you have an AIO of at least 360 mm To match the performance. You'll also be pulling a lot more power at the block
Common sense: use top tier CPUs with top tier GPUs because you never know what game you will be playing in the next 2-3-4 years after building your PC. Games change, engines change. Or leave yourself room for upgrade when it will be necessary.
If you play 4K gaming only broken games will need a top CPU for sure. I met only one borken game Terminator: Dark Fate, it used only 1 core in first mission and GPU wasn't used for 99%, but this mistake can't work even on top CPU, cos of 1 core won't be enough. The main sense that it's not a problem to update CPU, but if you buy top CPU it's hot and expensive. Why should somebody pay more? I9-9900K was great, but 2 years pasted it became worse than I5-11600K. Your top CPU will be a middle-range in 2-3 years. It's non-sense to buy top cpu and see like it works 10-20% in game in 4K
@@dessso4463Nah, I don't agree. Today's games can utilize a lot of cores without any problem. Also add to this simulation games and you have A LOT of calculations along this 4K graphic. AI in games is getting more and more complex and it will use everything you have. That's why it always depends what games you play. But for the rule of thumb if you can afford top of the line GPU, there is no point in buying middle-range CPU. In 2-3 years your whole PC will be middle-rage, not only CPU. GPU will age even faster.
Don't buy any i9 people.. way too much heat/very little performance difference in games. Typically within 5%, absolutely not worth the additional porblems
You're right! for 4K video I watch 4080 CPU video. There were 12400, 12700K, 12900K and 13700K. Difference between 12700K and 13700K wans 0,5-2fps in average and 1%. It's too small for paying.
@@Synapse064 For gaming, they pretty much do... You still have a couple e-cores for backgroung tasks (completely without them would make a bit of a difference), so you're fine. I remember a test when Alder Lake was just out (can't remember where though) where they locked 12700k and 12900k to the same frequency (the only difference therefore being more e-cores with the i9) and they were the same in games.
@@HenrySomeoneyeah for gaming the increase in performance between new generations is so incredibly small you’d need to wait at least a few generations before upgrading again to see even a slight difference. I don’t even think I’ll upgrade to the 15th gen when it comes out
If you're spending that money on a GPU and need to save on the cpu, just don't buy that GPU and make something more balanced honestly Over the total expense of the build, the price difference between a 7700x and a 7800x3d won't get you broke
@@thunderarch5951 I do agree with you but then it’s purely subjective as which direction the pc owner wants to go. Is it instant performance or longevity.
@@thunderarch5951hmmm since most game are gpu bound and the one that are cpu bound are usually like esport title which even low end cpu could run with hundred of fps, added with the fact that that those cpu difference will be a lot smaller with higher resolution (nobody is gaming 1080p with an rtx 4080)... I don't think it's worth it to have worse performing PC in the sake of "balancing the build" when you can have a build that is maximized on the gpu that could run games much better
@@poor_youtuber1390'll be running 1080p games for a while until I buy a better monitor and I got a 7700x + 4070 i Just upgraded but your point still stands🎉
@@thunderarch5951See the thing is If you get the 4080, it will still perform well in gpu bound scenarios, which most modern titles are at over 1440P. And older titles you will be cpu bound but already getting great fps as you just bought a 4080 and aren’t running a low end cpu. Now if you get a 7700X you are on AM5 and have an upgrade path, as AMD have confirmed at least one more generation of AM5 support. So you could then get the 6800X3D when it releases.. Or whatever else you’d want to upgrade to. All the while still getting amazing performance, as games that aren’t gpu bound are easy to manage. Makes no sense not to
Dude I mean there’s not really any reason to get a 13900k for 1080p? I know that it’s less gpu bound in 1080p but at the same time the frames are already going to be so high that you don’t need such a powerful cpu to accommodate the massive amount of frames. Just get like a 13600k or a ryzen 5800x and there won’t be any difference because the frames that you’re losing are imperceptible because you don’t have a damn 500hz monitor!!!
500Hz monitors exist now; whether that's a good purchase isn't for either of us to decide, the market decides - and they're selling 13900K will give you FPS improvements over 13600K in 1080p on a lot of games
bought the i5 13500 and rtx 4070 for my GF. Such a fine computer and dead silent with Arctic Freezer 34 DUO. But you would find some FPS if you got a new CPU unless you are playing on 4k
Love your vids!-- It would be cool if you gave a list of non-common games like Dayz and labeled them as GPU or CPU "bound" so we would know what to choose. At the very least how to know what to label the games based on (x).
@@Obamacide Not everyone buys a PC just for gaming. There's life outside gaming too. People need PCs to work on game design and raytracing rendering too. Intel is better than AMD for those tasks. So Intel is comparatively more balanced than AMD which is good mostly for gaming.
I'm rocking my 4080 at 70% power limit paired with a 5700X @ 4.3GHz all-core undervolted to 1.000v. Good power (50-60W power draw for CPU and around 230W for the GPU) and thermal efficiency while sacrificing only very little performance vs stock at 1440p.
I did the same. I undervolted 4080 Super on 0,9V with 2520mhz and 74% power limit. I did it for 35% fan speed. Power limit for old games. New games work with 2520mhz, but old games under power limit run at 2000-2200mhz, but fps is still very high. I love silence.:)
@predvcecerom playing amd playing at high refresh rate and resolution are two different things. My old GTX 1080 build my brother in law has "plays game" just not at high fps
Thanks bro, I’m looking to build a 4080 and my eyes were already on the i9 13900k but now I see it’s close with the 7800x3d. I know everyone will say “FPS” so go for AMD but my pc will be more work based so still kind of a coin flip.
Way too over the top. 13600K or equivalent is more than enough for any resolution. You are more than likely looking at like 3% or so difference even when comparing to 13900K with that GPU. Even for CPU bound games, there shouldn't be that big of a difference, with a few exceptions. It's not worth paying $200+ more for performance you won't even notice the difference.
@@Strongholdex I guess, but why though? I'll be honest here, Raytracing is over hyped. At the end of the day, vast majority of the people still play games with it barely turned on or never. Even when using strong GPU, most people don't even notice a difference when actually gaming. Almost everyone I know just turns it off completely for more fps.
@@pkgod99 Mhm. You are looking at the past. But do you buy a new gpu to play old games or the games that will be out in one or two years? And Cyberpunk looks breathtaking with Raytracing. In 2006 shaders were introduced. Back then nobody cared but later it became industry standard. In the 90s 3d GPUs were presented to the public and many who played 2d games did not care but now it is standard. Same will be with Raytracing.
@@Strongholdex Not really, my friends and I all have Cyberpunk with reflection on at best. Maybe with Lighting at medium? All the extra light makes it hard to see things from a certain angle and it kills frames by way too much when it's higher. At the end of the day, at least in my circle of friends, we all decide it's not worth it and just don't bother with it. I guess the fact we play some games a bit competitively also plays a part in our preference to maintain at least 80+ fps got a big part in our preference but I digress.
yeah...im trying to save up for a complete am5 upgrade, bascially a new pc...it will cost around 800 bucks...its really expensive if you want a good MB, even with entry lvl cpu but my b350 MB and the slow ram shows its age.
@@__-fi6xgnot sure what requirements you need, but most games should be fine with mid-range GPU and PC. Have you try looking at second hand market? You should be able to test first just to be safe.
The 5800X3D + B550 motherboard costs the same as a Core i5 13600KF + Z790 motherboard; but you have much more upgrade options on the Z790. I LOVE the 5800X3D, but unless you already have a B550 motherboard, its time is over 😊😊
@@CataclysmComputers if you're buying new, sure, but if you already have the AM4 platform, a 5800x3d and the 4080, which I do, there is little to no compelling reason to "upgrade" anytime soon
The 13th Gen I9 is overkill. Even a CPU heavy game won't come anywhere close to maxing out the CPU. The better reason to get one is how long it can potentially remain sufficient for your needs in the future.
I need a pc for animation, video editing and gaming should I go with an rtx 4080 with an i9 13900k or a rx 7900 xt with a R 7800x3d. My budget is 3000.
Why don't you play in 4K? I have bought 4080 super for 2K and understood that it's just a waste of money, cos I don't see a big difference between 100 and 160fps. That's why I ahve bought 4K momitor, and 4080 super became a great videocard.^)
Just a quick question! As 1080p is easier to run, why do you recommend the highest power parts for 1080p but then get lower power when going to 4k (13900k->13600k). Surely you’d want to use higher power parts for displays that need more processing power? (This is in regards to GPU intensive games)
He buggin 1080p is what most people use these cpus are overkill for 1080p. If you’re doing 1080p buy an i5 12th gen or ryzen 5 5600x. Edit: even some of those might be overkill I think you could also get away with a ryzen 5 3600 but that’s just me
i have the RTX 4090 and 13600k and the CPU is always at 10-20% and the graphic card at 100% so no bottleneck. For gaming buying more than i5 is a waste of money.
I have 10400, and i'm about to buy 4070ti or 4080. Not that i didn't know about bottleneck, but now in most games that a play this cpu is can get me about 100 fps easily on low settings, but on high-ultra my gpu is struggle at 2k (3070), and give like 30-50 fps, especially with ray tracing (the witcher, portal rtx, etc...) so that's why i'm going for 4080. But If you play more cpu demanding games, then you shouldn't do that.
@@Jowersman im debating if I should upgrade to a 5800x3d or a 5900x I currently have a 5800x . I just bought a 4080 im trying to hit 200fps on 1440p for most games
@@Luisitocuh12 I was coming from a 5600x so the x3d chip for me was great! But the 4090 is a killer... I love it. I think that combo you have is just fine honestly. I doubt you see a huge jump. I would consult more reviews on this very thing
I have a i7 13700F so that mean i can put a 4080 to play in 2k right? But what would happend if I play in 4k? Why would you not recomend that CPU for a 4k? What is wrong whith it?
Your CPU is cool, and it feets great for 4K. Some games in 2K maybe will have a cpu bottleneck, but it would be hard to notice. I have 12600K and even this CPU worked great in 2K.
I use a 3900x it’s alright for now but do eventually want to upgrade my CPU but can’t yet because I need a new motherboard to do so and that would be pretty pricey.
Actually 7800x3d is an inferior pairing to the 7900x3d in this case. The 6 cores with 3D v cache on the 7900x3d can already maximize the power of the 4080 without bottlenecking, so there's no need for the additional 2 cores with 3d v cache. Instead of those 2 cores, the 7900x3d has 6 cores (non v cache) to spare that can be used to handle other non graphics related tasks in the background (like capture, or editing or whatever), which happens a lot in the real world but not on benchmark testing.
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The game is so badly optimised im struggling to decide if i should get a R9 7900x or R7 7800x3d as i will be streaming too
That's over kill, the i5 13600k is a all around killer, best bang for your buck
fr 😂😂😂
I'm still using the 10700k with my 4080 and in 4K, I'm mostly GPU bound at 95-99% utilization.
Yeah
10700k is a beast!! Getting over 450 fps in valorant easy
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Still using my 9900k and it’s not even 60% most games
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What do you do with that much gpu utilisation
13700k has 95% of the performance of a 13900k so 13700k is fine and there will be no bottle neck
Nice thought❤
Not no bottleneck. But yes the top i7 usually was the same as the top i9 anyway.
That's exactly what I got, glad I made the right call. 😅
Negligible amount of bottleneck you’d not even notice in actual gameplay unless you were monitoring it closely
Is it good for gaming and other tasks like editing etc.
I bought an i7 13700k and 4080 pc 2 weeks ago. I've a 1440p, 165 hz monitor. Playing MS flight simulator 40th Edition on ultra settings it's absolutely smooth and fast. Swapped out my cheap case fans for Noctua fans to keep the temps low, I'm very happy with this combination.
Planning to do the same combo it is kinda pricey but it is worth it considering that it's my first PC that I've been dreaming for years and it will last plenty of years.
I’ve actually been wanting to make a 4080 build too, but I’m still hesitating, because the 50 series might come out soon, and I’ve heard that it will be a very large jump from the 40 series in terms of performance. I know there will always be new generation and gpus will keep evolving, but still.
@@Nooneknows2503 Dude, the jumps in performance won't be more than 10% to 15% maximum in the near future. Nvidia took big jumps the last few generations because the chip makers, like TSMC and Samsung, were able to shrink the process node and transistor sizes in Nvidia's GPU Chips from 14nm all the way down to 4nm now with the 4000 series. I'm guessing the 4000 series GPUs will be around until they can get good production quality out of the 3nm process. There isn't really any point in making new GPUs until TSMC has 3nm perfected. If Nvidia can make the RTX 5000 series GPUs with the 3nm process successfully, they might get more like 15% to 20% better performance. They are only getting 1nm smaller with the next process node, so it's gonna be difficult and more expensive to even hit 10% to 15% better. In the past, they went from 14nm to 10nm to 8nm and now they went from 7nm down to the 4nm they use for the RTX 4000 series. Just dropping to 3nm isn't going to be a huge jump
@@kennY_72 That's not a great plan my friend. Even though the RTX 4090 is $400 more, you get 40% to 50% better performance vs the RTX 4080. The RTX 4090 is a Much better value and really the only good GPU upgrade in the RTX 4000 series. The 7900XTX is around $950 and dropping, and performance wise, it keeps up with or beats the $1200 RTX 4080, and the 7900XTX even does pretty good with Ray Tracing. So, hopefully you can see why the choice should be between the 7900XTX for $950ish or the RTX 4090. The RTX 4090 is a monster of a GPU, and it is the King of graphics cards right now. It doesn't make any sense to buy a RTX 4080 for about $1300 after tax, when you can get the same or better performance from the 7900XTX at $950-$1000. I'm personally willing to play games at 1440p 240hz if it's a good QD-OLED monitor like the Alienware QD3423DWF or the LG 27" WOLED display. I would rather get 240fps at 1440p. I currently have an LG 27GP850-B and it's a beautiful 1440p 180hz IPS display, and I've never really liked IPS displays because of low contrast rates, but the newer good IPS displays are incredible. Still doesn't match with a QD-OLED or LG's newer OLED displays or the C2 or C3 OLED 42" or 48" TVs, but the price brackets are nowhere near each other right now.
@@catch22frubert I build my system yesterday. It is an R7 and a 7900xtx. And runs everything smoothly. BTW I already have games and all sort of stuff but I can't do EXPO because the mobo just bricks up and I had to reset it by getting the battery off. Is it secure to update after having a already build system?
the 7800x3d seems like the best money worth processor atm
nah, the i9 14900KS is better, it comes with an included nuclear reactor which I believe are worth like a couple billions of dollars most of the times all for just 700 😱😱
@@PatoChu built in nuclear reactor might explode in my 31 celcius average room 😱😱😱😱
@@PatoChustop chatting shit I've got the 7800x3d and it's a beast and efficient as can be the 14900ks can't compete and still has to overlook so hard there running to the point of failure
@@mynamejeffgaming No way you couldn’t tell my comment was satire lmao
@@mynamejeffgaming Surely you didn't think bro was serious?
Best paring is a fx 8350 don't let anyone tell you different
The only 8 core cpu gamers will ever need
hope thats a joke cause its -222% worse than the best amd cpu
its even better in cold regions like the arctic.
fr, but I would go down to the fx8320 to save some bucks tho, too much juice for the 4090 already and you'll be future proof'ed for the 7090ti later
That's some good future-proofing too! Solid choice!
I have a 5800x3d for mine for ultra wide 1440p gaming and it’s been incredible to hit the high frames I want at max settings
What fps your getting I got the same cpu with rtx 4080 but game on 4k LG oled C1 77 inch which caps at 120 fps most games I get 110-120 fps max setting I was thinking about getting a ultra wide 1440p monitor but wanted to know what fps u getting
@@kyokushin1289you should get the lg oled 27 inch i think it’s 27GR95QE or something along them lines. 0.03 response times so it’s supppper quick and responsive, 240hz at 1440p so it’s super smooth aswell
I have a 5800x3d and it bottlenecks my 4080s like crazy in 2k
Sounds weird :/ people use this CPU with 4090 without bottleneck it. What other components do you have?@@lucasetche
@@Kingolaconny well, i found Out its only on Some games, in 2k, 4k i have 0 issues
Still rocking the 5800x3d for Valorant and Destiny 2, it's working well for me, drives my 240hz 1080p monitor plenty fine, 1% lows are never below 240 in those games.
Wow you're STILL rocking a high-end 1 year old cpu? Woah youre old school broo
@@ermirhalitaj5346😆
Valorant isn't even demanding. I ran with it a C2Q q8400 until I upgraded ..
@@ermirhalitaj5346Yea because when you have a 4080, pairing it with a 5800X3D is leaving performance on the table. Hence why they mentioned they’re still rocking it.
It’s a little different when you’ve got a 6700XT and pair it up. You just sound salty asf
@@timothyjn100 No.
The average fps of the 5800x3d for the most popular titels seems to be around 190. The average fps for the 4080 in 1440p ultra for those same titels is 180. Meaning the cpu and gpu are almost perfectly balanced, or slightly GPU bottlenecked.
In 4k though, which is what the 4080 is marketed for its a massive GPU bottleneck where the 5800x3d isnt even being utilized to 50%. 4080 produces around 110 fps for those same titles.
As clearly stated, the 5800x3d is perfectly balanced for 1440p with the 4080, and for 4k its even overkill.
Its a high end cpu thats barely 1 year older than the gpu. He says it himself, hes STILL rocking it.
Thank you so much, I needed this for when I buy the 4080 in my dreams
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Iam upgrading from a 3050 to a 4080!
@@s4m146 That's a huge upgrade, congrats my man, enjoy it. I don't remember making this comment but I had a 1060 of 7 years during so and I somehow ended up getting a 4090 so it was a huge upgrade
@@yusefhusam yo that is a huge huge huge upgrade happy for u bro. u deserve it
@@s4m146 Tyvm I appreciate it, happy for you too you, deserve it as well
13900k isnt worth it just for gaming. The 13600k isn only a few percent behind and costs so much less.
I legit have seen someone on Facebook, posting why their i9 13900k + rtx 3060 doesn't run cyberpunk 2k ultra rt well (it's less than 60fps lol)
@@poor_youtuber1390well theres the reason they have a 3060 and there trying to run the game at 1440p with ultra settings including ray tracing aint no way the 3060 gonna do all that shit 😂
There's no way 1 or 2-generation old chips shouldn't also be in this video in some capacity. People are still gaming at 1080p with 10 year old 4790k's
They're profiting off those ridiculous recommendations.... I'm not surprised he's just yapping all day long
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These are recommendations, you don't need them but using a 10 year old CPU wont utilize the full power of a 4080! So why even buy a 4080! jesus... it's ridiculous...
I have a 7800x3d paired with a 1660 super and while I do get a ridiculous amount of FPS in many games, my CPU sits at 60% most of the times while my GPU is struggling at 100%... It's not worth it.. (substitute GPU)
I’m still gaming 1080p with a second hand i5 4690k but I just ordered a 7800X3D
I use the i7 13700k with 32gb ddr4 together with an rtx 4090. actually the card always runs at 99%, the gpu is fully utilized in 2160p
Ya but what the CPU "bottleneck" does is preventing you to hit high numbers but not really. Lets say you get 600fps 1080p in valorant or csgo for that matter with the i9 or 7800x3d. So we want to save money and buy the i5 13600k but now you only hit 540 fps in those games, but ffs you monitors refresh rate is lower than that anyway. Okay you get better response times with higher fps, but cmon 60fps difference is not changing anything there either. There is no game where the ryzen 7600 or i5 13600k will bottleneck you below you monitors refresh rate
If you're buying a 40series GPU but won't spring for a monitor higher than 1080 you're not using the GPU at all... total waste of money.
4070 and up, bc 4060ti downwards aren't that good at 1440p thanks to Nvidia's policy, "It's meant to be gimped"
@@akafede4351 honesty why are these cards even existing, stay on console, you get more performance than a 4060.
@@__-fi6xg I prefer PC, but consoles are a "better" option if you only game. I agree, 4060/ti are the dumbest options available, and 7600 are also right there with them, you can't go right with neither AMD, Nvidia or Intel, the best we can do as consumers is give them the middle finger back and don't buy shit from them
@@akafede4351 man they totally talk to each other, amd and nvidia, how else can it be that both companys name their gpus a tier higher than what they actually are. its goddamn price fixing.
@@__-fi6xg yup, I agree. They are pricing their crap accordingly, even intel, they are selling crap to use consumers as beta testers them and they charge you like they are running on systems rock solid, the arc 380 should cost like 90usd, come with 3 fully supported games and a letter saying "we are sorry for stealing money from you" and I'm being mega generous. Amd and Nvidia can go to fk themselves, Nvidia for their usual bs and AMD from running the same train as Nvidia "lmao nvtards launching 8gig cards in mid 2023, not like us" silently launches 7600 with 8gigs with a facepalm day one discounting them 30dls bc they know they are trash. Sorry for the rant lmao
imagine buying a thousand dollar gpu just to play at 1080p 💀💀💀
Imagine not being able to understand some people want to play games competitively 😱😱
@@PatoChu fr
I'm starting to see a pattern here... Which means if I'm gonna play on 8K then I should pair it with the i3-13100f 😀
@@Sayxxintel pentium
No, AMD Athlon ez
My tv computer has a 12100f and i tried 8k on RUclips on my 1080p tv and the computer froze 😂 and had to power off
@@Leo_official00intel 4004 is probably better
Maybe not 13100f, but with a 12400(f), you will never be cpu bottlenecked at 8k.
I got it with a i7-12700k, think there is about a 20% bottleneck in some cpu bound games but besides that it’s still a beast and I have no issues running max settings in 1440p or 4k over 150fps most cases
What games are you bottlenecked in?
Even 12600K can run games in 160fps in 2K on 165 monitor. There can be a little bottleneck in 2L, but 4K works without bottleneck for sure.
Some youtubers truly think that I have a money printing machine in my basement 😂😂😂🤡💀
Theyre recommending this to rtx 4080 users
@@doggy913 not their fault
not everyone is poor man
@@rexomi17 fr
You have a basement?
also for some reason they were downgrading the CPU with higher resolutions, you still need the same physics calculations and other stuff at higher resolutions, when picking a CPU you shouldn't look at resolution
I was on an Intel I7 6700k with my 4090 till a few weeks ago, then picked up the 7800x3d with the Starfield bundle. I'm very happy with it
I absolutely love my ryzen 7800x3d. If you're using an I9 13900 You'll need to do quite a bit of tuning, need some 7000mt ddr5 with low VL, and make sure you have an AIO of at least 360 mm To match the performance. You'll also be pulling a lot more power at the block
I use a 5600x with a 4070Ti. No issues while using a 1440p monitor.
can you list some games with fps you get
This was the most helpful shit I found in my search. THANK YOU!
Thanks so much, I was planning on building a pc with a 4080 and was unsure what to use
Im running the 4080s along with the 7800x3d, seems like it was a fine choice, definitely satisfied with how it runs in 1440p latest AAA games
Common sense: use top tier CPUs with top tier GPUs because you never know what game you will be playing in the next 2-3-4 years after building your PC. Games change, engines change. Or leave yourself room for upgrade when it will be necessary.
If you play 4K gaming only broken games will need a top CPU for sure. I met only one borken game Terminator: Dark Fate, it used only 1 core in first mission and GPU wasn't used for 99%, but this mistake can't work even on top CPU, cos of 1 core won't be enough. The main sense that it's not a problem to update CPU, but if you buy top CPU it's hot and expensive. Why should somebody pay more? I9-9900K was great, but 2 years pasted it became worse than I5-11600K. Your top CPU will be a middle-range in 2-3 years. It's non-sense to buy top cpu and see like it works 10-20% in game in 4K
@@dessso4463Nah, I don't agree. Today's games can utilize a lot of cores without any problem. Also add to this simulation games and you have A LOT of calculations along this 4K graphic. AI in games is getting more and more complex and it will use everything you have. That's why it always depends what games you play. But for the rule of thumb if you can afford top of the line GPU, there is no point in buying middle-range CPU. In 2-3 years your whole PC will be middle-rage, not only CPU. GPU will age even faster.
Don't buy any i9 people.. way too much heat/very little performance difference in games. Typically within 5%, absolutely not worth the additional porblems
You're right! for 4K video I watch 4080 CPU video. There were 12400, 12700K, 12900K and 13700K. Difference between 12700K and 13700K wans 0,5-2fps in average and 1%. It's too small for paying.
Me with my 7900x and 4080 "huh that's some good info to know"
I‘ve paired my 4080 to a 13600k and it works very well together for 4K
Me too bro 🔥
I like the way he uses the screwdriver like teachers use the stick. 😂
4080 and 13700k 🎉❤🎉
Same but with the F
loving my 5900x with the 4080 in 4k
I use a 12700k and it’s plenty fast for a 4080 even at 1080p
I have that same combo and have no issues what so ever. Been playing at 4k
Well yeah, you still have the same amount (8) of pretty much the same p cores, so no real surprise there.
@@HenrySomeonep cores don’t determine the entire picture
@@Synapse064 For gaming, they pretty much do... You still have a couple e-cores for backgroung tasks (completely without them would make a bit of a difference), so you're fine. I remember a test when Alder Lake was just out (can't remember where though) where they locked 12700k and 12900k to the same frequency (the only difference therefore being more e-cores with the i9) and they were the same in games.
@@HenrySomeoneyeah for gaming the increase in performance between new generations is so incredibly small you’d need to wait at least a few generations before upgrading again to see even a slight difference. I don’t even think I’ll upgrade to the 15th gen when it comes out
I have an RTX 3090 Ti combined with ryzen 7 5800X3D
13600k or 7700x on 1440p and 4k for those who wants to save an extra buck.
If you're spending that money on a GPU and need to save on the cpu, just don't buy that GPU and make something more balanced honestly
Over the total expense of the build, the price difference between a 7700x and a 7800x3d won't get you broke
@@thunderarch5951 I do agree with you but then it’s purely subjective as which direction the pc owner wants to go. Is it instant performance or longevity.
@@thunderarch5951hmmm since most game are gpu bound and the one that are cpu bound are usually like esport title which even low end cpu could run with hundred of fps, added with the fact that that those cpu difference will be a lot smaller with higher resolution (nobody is gaming 1080p with an rtx 4080)... I don't think it's worth it to have worse performing PC in the sake of "balancing the build" when you can have a build that is maximized on the gpu that could run games much better
@@poor_youtuber1390'll be running 1080p games for a while until I buy a better monitor and I got a 7700x + 4070 i Just upgraded but your point still stands🎉
@@thunderarch5951See the thing is
If you get the 4080, it will still perform well in gpu bound scenarios, which most modern titles are at over 1440P. And older titles you will be cpu bound but already getting great fps as you just bought a 4080 and aren’t running a low end cpu.
Now if you get a 7700X you are on AM5 and have an upgrade path, as AMD have confirmed at least one more generation of AM5 support.
So you could then get the 6800X3D when it releases.. Or whatever else you’d want to upgrade to. All the while still getting amazing performance, as games that aren’t gpu bound are easy to manage.
Makes no sense not to
Me encantó ❤, nunca había visto que lo dividieran en distintas resoluciones
A tu mujer también le gusta
Really well resumed
if you are using a 4080 to play in 1080p... unplug your computer and go find a new hobby because you are driving a Ferrari in a parking lot.
Not everyone plays racing games nd shit like that pro fortnite players go for the 1080p monitors to get a gain in fps
I agree I was using 1080p earlier and now that I got a 1440p oled things are next level
Nothing like playing golf in the bowling alley.
Pro Players Play in 1080p stfu you have no clue what you talking about
I use a 4080 for 1080p and 4k my main monitor is 1080p 360hz for fps games then I have a 4k 120hz tv for slower pace games.
Dude I mean there’s not really any reason to get a 13900k for 1080p? I know that it’s less gpu bound in 1080p but at the same time the frames are already going to be so high that you don’t need such a powerful cpu to accommodate the massive amount of frames. Just get like a 13600k or a ryzen 5800x and there won’t be any difference because the frames that you’re losing are imperceptible because you don’t have a damn 500hz monitor!!!
Trueee.. its not like your gonna be getting 30 fps with a 4080 on gpu bound games...
500Hz monitors exist now; whether that's a good purchase isn't for either of us to decide, the market decides - and they're selling
13900K will give you FPS improvements over 13600K in 1080p on a lot of games
I think you're right. If you want to 165hz, I9 will not help. Many mordern game works 115-130fps even with top CPU and 4090
i'm still rocking a 12400f and it runs the gpu at 100% in most games.
Stay With CPU's from the most latest GEN to about 3 GEN's back, 6 core at the least and up the core count if you create/Stream.
I'll just buy a Ryzen 5 5600 and call it a day.
I think you should get the 5600x
Who would pair 4080 with 5600
@@garbagepotato true, just get a i7-13700k or the r7 7700
Noooo get a 5800X3D
On 4th I will have a 4070 with my i7-5930k, aka a cpu from september 2014 😹
bought the i5 13500 and rtx 4070 for my GF. Such a fine computer and dead silent with Arctic Freezer 34 DUO. But you would find some FPS if you got a new CPU unless you are playing on 4k
Love your vids!-- It would be cool if you gave a list of non-common games like Dayz and labeled them as GPU or CPU "bound" so we would know what to choose. At the very least how to know what to label the games based on (x).
I got all my dreams part over the past year in a half and now am gonna build it
Laughs in 5800x3d :D
13600k is probably what u need, it is pointless to go for a 13900k or a 13700k
going for an intel cpu is pointless.
@@Obamacide we are not talking about top of the end
@@Obamacide Not everyone buys a PC just for gaming. There's life outside gaming too. People need PCs to work on game design and raytracing rendering too. Intel is better than AMD for those tasks. So Intel is comparatively more balanced than AMD which is good mostly for gaming.
@@rayunited2010foryou then you don’t need games video cards 😂😂
@@Premet_ I need cards that can let me both game and do 3d work. Nvidia cards are doing that quite efficiently RN.
I'm rocking my 4080 at 70% power limit paired with a 5700X @ 4.3GHz all-core undervolted to 1.000v. Good power (50-60W power draw for CPU and around 230W for the GPU) and thermal efficiency while sacrificing only very little performance vs stock at 1440p.
I did the same. I undervolted 4080 Super on 0,9V with 2520mhz and 74% power limit. I did it for 35% fan speed. Power limit for old games. New games work with 2520mhz, but old games under power limit run at 2000-2200mhz, but fps is still very high. I love silence.:)
The 1080p setup is literally pointless since the $270 saving from 13900k to 13600k can easily afford you a 4K monitor..
Not if you want 300+Hz display...
WTF are you smoking bro Im playing literaly everything on 12100f XD dude just chill
Glad to hear it chief
@predvcecerom playing amd playing at high refresh rate and resolution are two different things. My old GTX 1080 build my brother in law has "plays game" just not at high fps
@@Simlife101 and there is a difference between CPU and GPU
5800x3d and 4080 @ 1440p?
no, get a ryzen 7 7700
Thanks bro, I’m looking to build a 4080 and my eyes were already on the i9 13900k but now I see it’s close with the 7800x3d. I know everyone will say “FPS” so go for AMD but my pc will be more work based so still kind of a coin flip.
Unless your work actually involves top level CPU performance like extremely heavy video editing on Premiere Pro / Da Vinci, I’d use AMD instead 😊
Using 4090 with r9 7950x3d over kill asf but it's insane
Way too over the top. 13600K or equivalent is more than enough for any resolution. You are more than likely looking at like 3% or so difference even when comparing to 13900K with that GPU. Even for CPU bound games, there shouldn't be that big of a difference, with a few exceptions. It's not worth paying $200+ more for performance you won't even notice the difference.
Well. Witcher 3 Remake kinda needs a 12900k for Raytracing
@@Strongholdex I guess, but why though? I'll be honest here, Raytracing is over hyped. At the end of the day, vast majority of the people still play games with it barely turned on or never. Even when using strong GPU, most people don't even notice a difference when actually gaming. Almost everyone I know just turns it off completely for more fps.
@@pkgod99 Mhm. You are looking at the past. But do you buy a new gpu to play old games or the games that will be out in one or two years?
And Cyberpunk looks breathtaking with Raytracing.
In 2006 shaders were introduced.
Back then nobody cared but later it became industry standard.
In the 90s 3d GPUs were presented to the public and many who played 2d games did not care but now it is standard.
Same will be with Raytracing.
@@Strongholdex Not really, my friends and I all have Cyberpunk with reflection on at best. Maybe with Lighting at medium? All the extra light makes it hard to see things from a certain angle and it kills frames by way too much when it's higher. At the end of the day, at least in my circle of friends, we all decide it's not worth it and just don't bother with it. I guess the fact we play some games a bit competitively also plays a part in our preference to maintain at least 80+ fps got a big part in our preference but I digress.
@pkgod99 I am not a competitve Player, I rather play Single player games solo on highest possible settings as long as it is 60fps average.
What CPU should I pair with RTX 4080?
My wallet: "Go on, keep dreaming"
yeah...im trying to save up for a complete am5 upgrade, bascially a new pc...it will cost around 800 bucks...its really expensive if you want a good MB, even with entry lvl cpu but my b350 MB and the slow ram shows its age.
@@__-fi6xgnot sure what requirements you need, but most games should be fine with mid-range GPU and PC. Have you try looking at second hand market? You should be able to test first just to be safe.
@@FielValeryRTS gpu and psu is new already. according to chatgpt i would still get a 40% uplift xD
Can you do a recommendation for mid range or cheaper builds?
I still have doubts with my build which includes R7 5800x and RX 6650
I don’t get why people worry so much about bottlenecks, it really just depends on what you’re doing
5800x3d is enough
The 5800X3D + B550 motherboard costs the same as a Core i5 13600KF + Z790 motherboard; but you have much more upgrade options on the Z790.
I LOVE the 5800X3D, but unless you already have a B550 motherboard, its time is over 😊😊
@@CataclysmComputers True but the 5800x3D will be faster in games that take advantage of rhe cache which is probably the minority of games.
@@CataclysmComputers if you're buying new, sure, but if you already have the AM4 platform, a 5800x3d and the 4080, which I do, there is little to no compelling reason to "upgrade" anytime soon
The 13th Gen I9 is overkill. Even a CPU heavy game won't come anywhere close to maxing out the CPU.
The better reason to get one is how long it can potentially remain sufficient for your needs in the future.
I need a pc for animation, video editing and gaming should I go with an rtx 4080 with an i9 13900k or a rx 7900 xt with a R 7800x3d. My budget is 3000.
Could you plz make one on the gtx 1660 super
I have a 7800x3d with a 4090 and it works amazing for 1440p no problems
Why don't you play in 4K? I have bought 4080 super for 2K and understood that it's just a waste of money, cos I don't see a big difference between 100 and 160fps. That's why I ahve bought 4K momitor, and 4080 super became a great videocard.^)
Is the 5900X enough for cpu bound 1440p games?
I think so
I am using a ryzane 5 5600x with the 4080 at 1440p and it works fine
Yes 1000000
You’d be happier with the 5800x3d.
Thanks all I have bought the 5900x for dirt cheap and I can't pass 50% cpu utilization in any game. It's a fantastic cpu that will last long
Just a quick question! As 1080p is easier to run, why do you recommend the highest power parts for 1080p but then get lower power when going to 4k (13900k->13600k). Surely you’d want to use higher power parts for displays that need more processing power? (This is in regards to GPU intensive games)
He buggin 1080p is what most people use these cpus are overkill for 1080p. If you’re doing 1080p buy an i5 12th gen or ryzen 5 5600x.
Edit: even some of those might be overkill I think you could also get away with a ryzen 5 3600 but that’s just me
Ryzen 9 7950x how will be this it willl be good? No bottelneck?
Blud never paired any hardware together in his life lmao
This is literally a video of me in a room filled floor to ceiling with PC hardware boxes from parts I used in 3 weeks 🤦♂️
13600k will still kill it at 1400p
i have the RTX 4090 and 13600k and the CPU is always at 10-20% and the graphic card at 100% so no bottleneck. For gaming buying more than i5 is a waste of money.
@@rayaneherrera3266 depends on how many threads your game uses. But yes a 13600k and 4090 is fine.
Im good with my 13500 for 1440p with the 4080
Very small percentage of games are CPU bound so don't waste too much money on CPU unless you have an advantage like 7800x3d
and were is 5800x 3D? i have AM4 platform...you tell me to buy new PC?! open you eyes!
Fix your English buddy
do you think a i5 10400f is good enough?
No💀
Still gets 200+ FPS on Valorant and similar.
@@Ayaanle07 its good even the i5 9600k still good
i5 13400k or 13600k would be great with a 4080, but I have a 10400f myself
I have 10400, and i'm about to buy 4070ti or 4080. Not that i didn't know about bottleneck, but now in most games that a play this cpu is can get me about 100 fps easily on low settings, but on high-ultra my gpu is struggle at 2k (3070), and give like 30-50 fps, especially with ray tracing (the witcher, portal rtx, etc...) so that's why i'm going for 4080.
But If you play more cpu demanding games, then you shouldn't do that.
Ok now what motherboard do these two setups need
5800x3d/4090FE here at 4k.... loving it!!!🎉🎉
How many fps you getting ?
@@Luisitocuh12 100+ most titles
@@Jowersman im debating if I should upgrade to a 5800x3d or a 5900x I currently have a 5800x . I just bought a 4080 im trying to hit 200fps on 1440p for most games
@@Luisitocuh12 I was coming from a 5600x so the x3d chip for me was great! But the 4090 is a killer... I love it. I think that combo you have is just fine honestly. I doubt you see a huge jump. I would consult more reviews on this very thing
@@Luisitocuh12If you're only gaming then X3D, no point in going with a 5900X
Im gonna pair it with my i5 9400f...
damn dude, switching to am5 is too expensive man, Motherboards with pcie5 boards usually go for 300 here in germany.
My X series 9920x with 1070 is doing fine
13600k w/ the 4080 for 1440p?
Me with my i7 4790k and GTX 1060 6gb😅
Your vlog is very good. Do you know where to Buy RTX 4080 Super in Kuwait? - GCC Gamers
is a ryzen5 2600 good
I know it sounds stupid but i think you should also add a category of cpu that does it all
I’ve got the 7700x which was right in between the ones being listed 😅
I have a i7 13700F so that mean i can put a 4080 to play in 2k right? But what would happend if I play in 4k? Why would you not recomend that CPU for a 4k? What is wrong whith it?
Your CPU is cool, and it feets great for 4K. Some games in 2K maybe will have a cpu bottleneck, but it would be hard to notice. I have 12600K and even this CPU worked great in 2K.
Why don't you make the matches with productivity tooo for cpus n gpus. In case I missed your old videos please ping me about it
Would the 13700K still work completely fine @4K?
I use a 3900x it’s alright for now but do eventually want to upgrade my CPU but can’t yet because I need a new motherboard to do so and that would be pretty pricey.
Oh look. I already own the 7800x 3D and I my 4080 GPU comes tomorrow. I’m upgrading from a 2080 ti, so I am excited for a huge boost in performance.
13600k is a reallly good processor, it will serve u amazing on any resolution, ive got a 1440p monitor and m always gpu bound.
Im wanting to do 1080p and 1440p cuz why not lol so good to know
So the 7700x should be a nice mid ground at 1440p to cover all bases I'm guessing?
At least it can be overclocked a bit if needed for cpu bound
Would you recommend the same for a 4070? Thanks
Doing a 12900k wit 4080 at 1080p, hope that is fine
Actually 7800x3d is an inferior pairing to the 7900x3d in this case. The 6 cores with 3D v cache on the 7900x3d can already maximize the power of the 4080 without bottlenecking, so there's no need for the additional 2 cores with 3d v cache. Instead of those 2 cores, the 7900x3d has 6 cores (non v cache) to spare that can be used to handle other non graphics related tasks in the background (like capture, or editing or whatever), which happens a lot in the real world but not on benchmark testing.
What do you think about Intel core i9 14900k and RTX 4080 I need your opinion asap because I’m about to pull the trigger on it, thanks 🙏🏽
If your gaming the 7800x3d is unmatched rn for dd5 but the 5800x3d still keeps up just fine
I'm doing Ryzen 9 7900X, though I will be using it for basic machine learning and deep learning so
I need help pls what you for gaming with the ryzen 7
Who reccomends i9s for fixing bottlenecks, that's like using a laser cutter by smashing it against what you want to cut.
So basically, just get a i9-13900K and you're good to go for every situation.
Tbh, a lot of cpu bound games like league don't need all that. Once youve got a stable framrate, you're internet connection is more important
I need it for my ppt :))