David Justice says his 'Moneyball' portrayal was inaccurate | All Facts No Brakes
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- Опубликовано: 24 май 2024
- David Justice opens up about his portrayal in “Moneyball’ and the inaccuracies of the movie. He also talks about the Oakland Athletics moving to Sacramento ahead of their move to Las Vegas, and shares why he feels bad for the fans.
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David Justice says his 'Moneyball' portrayal was inaccurate | All Facts No Brakes
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Should the A's stay in Oakland?
It's a travesty what's happening out in Oakland
Yes A’s should stay in Oakland
Yes they should
Should? It is stupid to stay.
Absolutely without a doubt 1000% they should. They belong in Oakland. I don't know of very many teams that are woven into the fabric of the community like the A's are with Oakland. Oakland made the A's cool, gave them that East Bay flava feel me. A billionaire who grew up a Giants fan who doesn't have a connection to this area shouldn't be allowed to relocate this team especially without a concrete plan. The city of Oakland and entire area of the East Bay deserves to keep either the team, the brand and colors under new ownership or an expansion to make this right.
Keyshawn didn't see money ball should be the title of this video.
I kept waiting for him to ask about the soda.
Too busy watching Madea catalog
How do you interview a guy about a movie and have not seen the movie lol?
@@mikekock927 reminds me of the norm McDonald joke were he ask "have you ever lied with no real benefit?" If you haven't seen that joke check it out.
It's called "doing your homework".
I didn’t know David Justice sounded like Ice-T
Thats true.
Ha thats good. I was hearing a little Katt Williams
And looks like him too 😮
Lmao 😂
For real I’m trippin over they sound exactly alike 😅
Keyshawn-if you’re interviewing someone and asking about a movie, do your homework and watch the movie beforehand!!! Basic stuff!!
Yeah seriously. I least watch the pertinent clips
He was terrible when he was doing mornings on ESPN radio, just brutal
Exactly. KEY also discussed the Ohtani Gambling situation and he didn't know all the basic facts of that case, when he was discussing it with Justice
Not anymore.
He’s no Sean Evans.
Keyshawn “was the movie accurate? I didn’t see the movie”
lol
Right... how is Keyshawn going to ask the interview question without doing the research?... always a bad look for an interviewer.
This is why Key is a D-list level personality and interviewer. As a life long SC fan, I love the guy, but he is TERRIBLE at his job. The real dudes in the industry do so much research ahead of something like this. You read their books/stories, you find the relevant facts, and then you extract more from the guest. Key just wings it. lol
@@TonyPerez816 100%. Sick of all these people doing podcasts and don’t do any research. There’s zero value to these podcasts.
Had the pleasure of meeting David on multiple occasions at a large pet store I used to work at in San Diego. The first time I met him I said, “hey, you’re David Justice!” He said yes I am and we talked about baseball for a few mins. He was always incredibly nice and humble when I interacted with him and I was a nobody. Super nice guy and very respectful!
In 2004 maybe 2005 I used to go to a Golds gym on the east side of Cincinnati and I worked third shift so that morning 10-11 slot the gym was usually empty. Justice would show up and like you said he was the coolest guy. I never asked or broached a conversation with him other then the usual gym talk, but he was always cool. Met Johnny Bench in that same gym, Johnny at that time had no legs left it was weird seeing the greatest catcher ever have no legs, also super friendly. Met Reggie Sanders at a Balleys gym on the west side, that man was a beast in the gym.
You know he used to beat Halle Berry right?
He was just trying to get piddle pads for the puppy he got his gf and you're there taking up the man's time. Just because you see someone on t.v doesn't mean you know them or have the right to take away time out of their day.
He prolly wanted a date
David Justice was released because he did not produce as Oakland
I was an extra in the movie Moneyball. The actor who played David Justice couldn't throw left-handed. It was hilarious. In that key scene during the 20th game streak where the Royals are coming back, and Justice had to dig out a ball hit into the left field corner and throw it in, the actor threw it into the ground on multiple takes like Mariah Carey throwing out a first pitch. The extras like myself were laughing every time he tried to throw left handed, and eventually production gave up and had another actor swap jerseys and throw the ball in for him left-handed. It was a funny moment.
What right handed person can throw left handed
Many actors can't throw with either hand, Tom Cruise for one. They throw like girls.
Are you ambidextrous or something?
🤔🙄
@@anthonyzaccone191 Nope, it was just funny to see someone take after take trying to show left handed and failing miserably.
@@JK-vc7ie I think you've failed to see the point.
Tim Hudson, Mark Mulder, Barry Zito, Rich Harden, Eric Chavez, Miguel Tejada, Jermaine Dye….the movie not only doesn’t mention these guys but also trashes the scouting department who found or developed them.
Dye came up with the Braves
@@fredball8240 good point
@@fredball8240yes he did but also got to play for favorite team growing up the A’s
💯. That is why watching the movie I absolutely hated it. Absolutely no mention at all or showing of those players. He made some nice moves to get some role players but they were like 10% if that of their success. It's like if they made a Bulls movie and it centered around Steve Kerr or Luc Longley and had no mention of anyone else for why they were great. So strange. Awful movie for that reason.
And Art Howe who is universally considered one of the nicest guys in baseball.
When I was a child, I loved baseball. My favorite team was the Atlanta Braves, and my favorite player was David Justice. My parents took my siblings and I down to Atlanta for the 1996 Summer Olympics. We attended two Olympic baseball games at Fulton County Stadium. (Baseball used to be an Olympic sport.) While at the game, I bought a deck of Atlanta Braves cards. After leaving the game, my family and I came across David Justice, who was with some of his friends. The rest of the Braves were on, like, a three-week-long road trip because their home stadium had been taken over by the Olympics. The only reason David Justice was still in town was because he was injured. My parents asked him if I could have his autograph. I took out my baseball card of his that I had just bought. He signed it, and, while giving it back to me, said, "There you go, my man." It was a dream come true. At that moment, I came to believe that everything you want in life will eventually turn out the way you dream it to be. I was 10 years old then; I am 38 years old now. And I now understand that life is not always that poetic. But David Justice created a memory for me that I still remember to this day. He didn't have to make any time for me. This man was once married to Halle Berry, for God's sake. Yet he gave me his time anyway. David Justice is a good person.
(Not telling this story because I have any problem whatsoever with the movie "Moneyball." Just wanted to share the experience.)
I remember going to those olympic baseball games. I remember leaving super early for the first game. USA beat i think either South Korea or Nicaragua. I was like 12. The Braves went to Turner field the next year. I remember going to both for Braves games forever. After they won the series in 95 some of the players were at a meet and greet event here in Augusta. Each member of my family got in a different line. Ive still got Chipper, Smoltz and Fred Mcgriffs autographed world series balls from that day. Justice was obviously on that team but he wasnt there or i wouldve gotten in his line over Mcgriff.
@blackirish670 I was at USA vs. Japan and, honestly, I can't even remember the other one.
The worst part about moneyball is that using Sabermetrics wasn’t even Billy Beane’s idea. It was the previous GMs Sandy Alderson’s idea and the had been doing it in Oakland since 1995. Beane was his protege. They make it seem like he has this awakening overnight but the team was built over the course of years. The scouting department was a big part of their success not the villains.
So he’s saying his depiction in the movie was an…
InJustice?
*puts on sunglasses……
YEEEAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
WE WON’T GET FOOLED AGAIN!
Person I feel bad for is Art Howe played by the late great Philip S. Hoffman. They acted like they won in spite of him and his decisions. I understand you need your protagonist to have obstacles but don't do dirty a real life man to make one.
I was about to say the same thing. Hoffman was a great actor but the portrayal of Howe as the anti-Billy Beane was ridiculous. They might have disagreed on certain elements like the human factor as opposed to a pure, numbers game but they both respected each other. Howe kind of moved on from the movie but at the time, he was not very happy about it.
i like hte movie but the person you should really blame is Michael Lewis, who wrote the book Moneyball
@@skippythealien9627 It's been a while since I read Moneyball, but I don't think he made Howe out to be as bad as he is in the movie. I put the blame squarely on the movie production team.
There's not a good movie without that. You HAVE to have a conflict or else the story isn't good enough to carry a 2 hour flick. Same with Ford v Ferrari. They made Leo Beebe the bad guy. He wasn't, but hey, it was entertaining.
@@skippythealien9627 It's been years since I've read Moneyball, but I don't remember Art Howe being portrayed in the book anything like he was portrayed in the movie.
“They always Hollywood it up.” So true… 😵💫
It wasn’t a documentary. There has to be villains in movies (Art Howe, David Justice) and heroes (Billy Beane, Peter Brand, Hatteburg). Without any conflict you wouldn’t draw the audience in.
@@BrianBowman-mw9vt I understand artistic liberties, but just as they made up a hero in the fictional Peter Brand, they could've easily made up villains for the team's manager and aging outfielder/DH. You could argue that using the real names adds a level of authenticity, but what's the point of being authentic if you're just going to make things up about those guys anyway?
David Justice played forever,I dont remember anyone saying bad things about him personally,or professionally.
I have met him 3 times in my life: in 1990 when I was 12, and twice in 2010 at an Atlanta Braves Alumni event. He was so kind and gracious to me both times. Never changed. He’ll always be my guy.
Halle Berry alleged that he hit her. I don’t know if it happened, I wasn’t there.
@@myworms Supposedly it was all BS and I heard it really damaged his life and career
David Justice was a total gentleman in Cleveland. That portrayal in the movie couldn't be more wrong.
BS...I think Hally Berry would DISAGREE
@@BAKER22-l4u Halle Berry be crazy
@@BAKER22-l4utalking baseball,not relationships
@@BAKER22-l4uit was Wesley
For somebody that said " I never saw the movie" ...sure knows a lot about the movie!!! SMH
Exactly
yeah cuz notes given by his staff or writers never existed LOL
Keyshawn said that part
yeah because they give him notes about the movie so he can talk about it
also he didn't know anything about the movie did you hear him speak?😂
DJ should write a book-he’s a really interesting dude…at least to someone like me (in their 40’s). I wasn’t a fan of him when he was playing but now I kinda like him.
He was my favorite player as a young Braves fan… wish they never parted.
Yes. My first memory of him is sliding into home.
I prefer this key compared to the one with skip. Debating is not his strong suit. Stick to just talking sports like one of the guys. I’ll keep watching this. Debate shows are a dying industry
Why don’t you let him stick to what he’s doing and you stick to being a keyboard manager. Lmfao
Debates aren’t dying. But they are on squeaky clean Disney TV. People still love uncensored debates. See every other podcast.
He's not that bad, but the reason people don't like him that much is because of Shannon. Shannon clearly prepared a lot more and had sharper points often punctuated with a quip. Keyshawn often starts okay and then kind of meanders in his thoughts.
"Keyshawn, man...first of all my mama woulda killed me if she saw me even remotely disrespect a coach or a manager or someone like that." 👍
This is the biggest “CMON MAN!” interview. How are you going to interview this man and ask him questions about Moneyball and you haven’t even seen it? Amateur. Keyshawn….Cmon man! 🤦🏻♂️
and it was a great movie lol
DJ is still just as cool as ever. Loved watching that sweet left swing growing up!
Would of take 105 minutes of your life to watch the movie before the interview Keyshawn 👎
Would take 2 seconds for you to zip it, junior.
Seriously! Do your job and watch the movie before you ask questions about it.
Key not seeing the movie is pathetic
Yes
I'm sure David's comments about the movie have provided KJ motivation to see it.
@TrevorEMayo nah he lazy
Very lazy interviewer
If they don't spend money when they move to Vegas it will be a short stint there as well. So many options in Vegas. A baseball team that doesn't spend money won't be high on the options list.
Buck Martinez the announcer as well as player and manager of the Blue Jays debunked Moneyball in one phrase “You don’t try to get good On Base Percentage. You try to get hits and when you get hits you don’t swing at bad pitches. You draw walks.”
And both if those directly correlate with a high obp so what are you even talking about
Keyshawn trying to be the next Shannon Sharpe while also admitting he didn’t see the movie but asks the guest about it? Lack of preparation on his part. C’mon man!
Keyshawn:, knows nothing about anything outside of football.
Tiki Barber on WFAN New York: talks about football, baseball, basketball, hockey, even throws a few WWE & Nascar references! As a result enjoyable to listen to rather than these so called professional mainstream journalists
never seen someone call another person by their first name as often as david justice does with keyshawn
I've not heard people not do it.
it's called respect
David Justice was my favorite player right behind Deion Sanders.
How many years does Hollywood have to exist for people to not be surprised that a portrayal is not 100% accurate?
I’m not a baseball guy and I really enjoyed the movie, Moneyball. However, all the people I know who are “serious” about baseball didn’t care for it. Even my father, who actually use to play Triple A ball way back in the late fifties to early sixties, didn’t care for the movie.
I’m thinking, it’s because the movie tried to simplify the game too much? I don’t know. But again, I enjoyed the film.
I love how Keyshawn says he never saw it. How can you be interviewing a baseball player portrayed in it and not seen it? Everyone's seen it!
Moneyball was written in a way to get Brad Pitt an Oscar nomination, and the writers didn't care what real life people were dragged through the mud or how much of reality gets thrown out the window. Pitt's Billy Beane was meant to be portrayed as a hero meeting great resistance all along the way.
Well if what people are saying is true, there isn't that much of a story. We all know the pitching was amazing and they had an All Star shortstop along with solid hitters like Justice. So if its true the manager was on board, David Justice was on board, then the whole movie is "Great team adds a few pieces cheaply, realizing OBP is being a bit undervalued." No one would watch it except As fans.
@@D.D.-ud9zt But that raises the question of why even bother using real-life names if you're going to change their personalities and interactions so much? We all get that creators get artistic liberties, but I think it's too much when you make real-life people look a lot worse than they, especially when one of the movie's protagonists, "Peter Brand," was made up.
I’ve said it a million times since Money Ball was released… it was absolutely bullsht! I mean they just conveniently left out the fact that the A’s had MLB’s best pitching staff (Zitto, Mulder & Hudson), 1 of MLB’s best bullpens, an MLB MVP in his prime @ SS, a top 7 or 8 3rd baseman, a All Star in RF (J.Dye), Dave Justice in LF, pretty A’s 2nd baseman led MLB in steals that yr plus he won a gold glove etc etc but the movie makes it seem as if the entire roster was full of scrubs that no other team wanted… absolute bullsht! That particular A’s roster was absolutely stacked compared to the avg MLB roster!
it was stacked mostly through homegrown talent though. That was the point. They couldn't afford to retain high value players or chase high value free agents. The movie stayed true to that reality.
It's a good movie, but it's just that... a movie, not a documentary.
You sound like you're fun at parties (in your mother's basement).
The A's manager wasn't portrayed accurately either. He was actually very accommodating to Billy Beane's ideas and his lineups.
DJ makes a great argument for team relegation in MLB. If you provide a losing product, you will lose TV revenue. Stop selling rotten apples to the fans
Yeah but Art Howe got it worse. They had to create some opposition for the movie. The whole theme of resisting change to the new standards doesn't quite work if everyone is on board.
That bothered me too. They portrayed Art like a thick and grumpy cave man. Nothing is that simple
Plus what Beane was going for began in the mid or late 1990s when he became the GM for the A's and was taught by Alderson in regards to that beforehand, not something he decided to come up with after they choked in 2001. The movie likes to pretend that Jason Giambi wasn't among the "Moneyball" players as well as ignoring that they had among the top pitching staff during the time.
I was a huge Braves fan as a kid. I forgot David Justice existed.
LOL its movie not a documentary. I didnt think David came off bad in the movie. They just dramatized an aging star.
David justice could rake!! I remember he was on the Yankees and he turned so quickly on a ball that it musta went from home plate to over the right field fence in what seemed like 2 seconds
I really liked the movie moneyball, but the thing that really bothered me was the movie portrayed how efficient the Athletics were at spending payroll.. Then they got knocked out of the playoffs by a team that had a lower payroll then them and the movie never mentioned that. Still bothers me, the A's had a really good team for a low salary, but the Twins were better at 'moneyball' that year.
Moneyball doesn’t even portray moneyball the book correctly.
It’s a movie
@@JK-vc7ie it’s a movie based on a book…
@@Oleoay Many movies are based on books. Movies are astronomically expensive to make. Hollywood is in the entertainment business. They are not scholars and academics. That's not the objective. The objective is to sell tickets. They do what they deem necessary to sell tickets, which usually means creating extra drama.
I'll add another example. Art Howe, the manager, was depicted as being a jacka$$. I think the consensus of players and people in the league is that he's a good dude. But it doesn't matter. It's a movie. Joe Biden pretends to have a functioning bran but that's a lie told every day told by the actual news. Truth is hard to find on earth.
@@JK-vc7ie I've written about baseball for ESPN. I'm quite familiar with Moneyball and the people/players involved/in it. Also, I know movies are expensive and made for entertainment, I'm not a newb. I agree they portrayed Howe and Justice quite poorly. Still, none of any of this has to do with Joe Biden. All I said was that the movie isn't much like the book and even the book itself omits quite a few things. I recommend "The Only Rule Is It Has To Work" as a more modernized discussion of these concepts in baseball.
@@Oleoay Joe Biden is relevant in the context of what I was saying, basically that truth is hard to find if you are watching a TV or a movie screen. More specifically, Joe Biden says he has a functioning brain. CNN reports this but it's obviously not true. And this is from a "news organization" pretending to be accurate and true. Not an entertainment company which makes no such claims.
Huge fan of David Justice because he went to my high school. And you better believe him because it's one of the best schools in the country. He *did* bring down the college graduation rate because he played baseball lol.
Great to hear this! Because too many people take these "Based on real events" films as "historic". They are NEVER what the films suggest. ESPECIALLY sports films.
One class I teach is "History in Film" and I warn my students that I am going to ruin some of the films they want to watch. Hoosiers... Rudy.... Remember the Titans... all of these are WONDERFUL films, but all had so many liberties taken with the real stories that they are essentially fiction in a real setting with only 10% of the original story in tact. And people struggle with this because the films become reality and the characters are their heroes.
Yep. art Howe was very upset his portrayal also. He said everything Billy bean wanted to do he did. He was onboard day one but I guess the movie needed a villain.
I never watched the movie. I’m an Angels fan and since we won the 2002 World Series from the wildcard spot, I refuse to watch a movie about our rival A’s from 2002 that won the division and lost in the playoffs. Angels won in 2002, not the A’s. F your movie. Angels in the Outfield > any baseball movie. Go Halos. 😇
The size of the ball park won’t have an effect on a players success. The teams they play won’t change.
You don't think it's easier to hit home runs at Fenway or Coors than at Safeco or Petco?
I never knew David Justice and Sid Justice of the WWE were brothers.
Lol he told Hatty, who was petrified of a ball coming in his general direction, WELL HEY GOOD LUCK WITH THAT
David Justice staying up late watching SportCenter, Haley Berry in the background "come to bed" he replies " in a minute "...
As a child he was my fav #23 right field for the braves. When I was a teenager I went to yankee stadium with my buddy and he hit a home run the day I went when he was a Yankee. The early 90’s braves were a great team.
I'm not shocked that Hollywood did that. Sully, for example, wasn't remotely correct in the way the NTSB was portrayed treating him. It's all for drama, tension, and artistic license.
Those are literally the only two scenes for him the movie
Literally EVERYONE'S portrayal in Moneyball was inaccurate 😂
So Hollywood adds stuff to stories to make them more interesting to more people ?
Thats craziness!
Great player. Great interview.
Seems like David doesn’t like his portrayal in the movie, which is unfortunate. Even as portrayed, he comes across as a super smart, high quality player. And yes, great gifts at getting on base.
He wasn't the only one. The real art Howe despised how he was portrayed
Exactly. KEY also discussed the Ohtani Gambling situation and he didn't know all the basic facts of that case, when he was discussing it with Justice
I didn’t get that impression of him from the movie. It was more shock at the level of the team impoverishment than anything 😂
Moneyball, the movie, barely references that the A's had Barry Zito, Tim Hudson and Mark Mulder leading their pitching staff. Miguel Tejada was MVP. Eric Chavez drove in 109 runs. Yeah sure, the decision to put Scott Hatteburg at first base made them a 103-win team. Pretty much a work of fiction.
I was today years old when I learned David Justice didnt play himself in Moneyball
I remember watching Moneyball back in the day & thinking i bet David Justice hates his portrayal.
It IS based on true events: you played baseball in Oakland; that’s all they need.
Certainly tracks... the book can spend hundreds of pages delving into the details that a reader (even one who doesn't know baseball very well) can engage with and get the full picture, but the movie only has two hours to basically tell a story of a man versus a system along with a small market team and the challenge of winning. A lot of how the various characters were modified was designed to speed up the multi-year process into a single year timeline. The DJ "character" was probably necessary to understand how players outside the new system were adapted in. Still - great to hear Justice here talk about his actual relationship with Beane.
Based on true events is a loose term. Keyword is based.
Sooo. Did they win the whole thing? Sounds like they were world champs with Scott hattiburg. No mention of mulder zito, or Hudson.
That actor does look just like him tbh
The A's do scout talent well though. Matt Chapman, Matt Olson, Marcus Semien, Sean Murphy, just in recent years and guys still relevant right now.
I wish they showed more of the pitching side of the team
I'm glad they put those scenes in. Was a great movie.
Why is no one on the comments bringing up the David Justice is a Bengals fan?!?!?!
How does Hollywood keep getting away with BS portrayal? Isn't that illegal?
He was my favorite player when I was a youth!!
David "Ice-T" Justice
David Justice was also married to Halle Berry, who is a lot to deal with in a relationship. That's why she's been divorced 3 times.
That’s exactly what Moneyball David Justice would say.
Don’t forget David Justice was hitting Halle Berry ……..literally.
Of course he gonna say that. Not like he wants to everyone to know that he was an old hasbin diva at end of his career.
A's will not spend money with the ownership group they have now. They might spend a little once they get to a new city to drum up some excitement but will revert back to their old ways to make easy money with little risk.
The whole LV move is a grift. MLB/A’s should be ashamed.
"Based on" means exactly that, based on. It gives broad artistic leverage to stretch the facts. "I didn't see it", great preparation as usual Key. Even 10 minutes of RUclips clips would have given some good insight.
DJ missed the point of the entire movie. Even though he is right. Coach art and the Grady character were portrayed terribly as well. Still a fantastic movie.
How can you bring up a movie you didn't watch?
Moneyball the book vs Moneyball the movie are way different things.
Lol, the way the A's attendance is, they'd be lucky to fill a 10k seat stadium.
How has Keshawn not seen money all before this interview
How can we call this the all facts pod when we ask questions about movies the host hasn’t even seen
Absolutely love both Keyshawn and David - great interview! BTW Moneyball is still an awesome movie
this is totally something the David justice from the movie would do and say. of course he would deny everything
I’m going to interview an athlete discussing a portrayal of his likeness in a movie and not watch the movie prior to the interview. Was Key waiting for the book release or something? 😂 🤣
Based on true events.. means a fictitious retelling of the story
How can you ask a question and never see the movie?
"I didn't see the movie" What? That's malpractice for someone in his position.
there wouldn't be a movie if they didn't embellish the story. the point was that the As were successful that year using a system that valued players a different way from tradition....
Doesn’t look anywhere near 58
David Justice lowkey sounds like Sharp if he ever talked calmly lol
Players leave every year for a new city with no comments. Why shouldn’t cities be able to
Sounds like DL Hughley.
“I didn’t see the movie.” What?!
It is a decent movie but a lot of made up stuff, Art Howe was never like that neither was the head scout some of those things just flat never happed. It is a MOVIE not a documentary. They also left out the fact they had three dominate starting pitchers.