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Responding to Justin Peters
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- Опубликовано: 28 ноя 2023
- So one of our shorts from our review of the Cessationist film caught the attention of cessationist Justin Peters. He’s provided a video response, so we’ll examine the arguments he and his guest Chris Rosebrough present regarding continuationism and cessationism and whether the gifts of the Spirit are operational today.
Jeremiah 32:6-8 ESV
6 Jeremiah said, “The word of the Lord came to me: 7 Behold, Hanamel the son of Shallum your uncle will come to you and say, ‘Buy my field that is at Anathoth, for the right of redemption by purchase is yours.’ 8 Then Hanamel my cousin came to me in the court of the guard, in accordance with the word of the Lord, and said to me, ‘Buy my field that is at Anathoth in the land of Benjamin, for the right of possession and redemption is yours; buy it for yourself.’ Then I knew that this was the word of the Lord.
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Amazing video guys! You’re response was lively, stock-full of research, is going to be very difficult to poke holes in and you ended by genuinely praying for your cessationist brothers. You even humbled yourself enough to pray that God would show you if you’re wrong. Wow. I really look up to y’all!
Right!!? I was so proud of them. God bless these guys! May we ALL follow that example and speak Truth in Love!
These guys don't know Hebrew. Glad someone is holding these guys accountable.
@habibj....how did you get to come to this conclusion...
The fact that they put down people who know the original language, or are at least somewhat proficient at it, saying that anyone who appeals to the original language is just flexing their intellectual muscles.
Just remember grace is wasted on the proud 👎 but I agree pray for them. Because apparently getting a degree in theology and going to seminary viewing the word of God in man's lense is spiritual 😔
ending in prayer for Justin and Chris and their ministries despite their treatment towards yall. Wow. What a great example of redeemed believers! John 13:35 NASB " By this all people will know that you are My disciples: if you have love for one another." Blessings brothers!
There is an onlooking world dying without Jesus! Truth in Love... Always~~ Proud of yall!
Thank you my brothers at Remnant Radio. This is especially particular with JP and his colleagues, they are never tolerant of other Christian group on any good , biblical things. They must hype on the differences they see in other which is not even fundamental to the Christian faith and crucified them as false Teacher condemned to hell
Good you refuse to call Chris or JP false Teachers simply because they do not share your view on God's revelation and how it often comes in 'unclear or uncertain' ways. Continue to be redemptive in your approach at Remnant Radio. God continues to pour his blessings on your work
I have learned that no amount of scripture will convince someone that cares more about sounding right than receiving truth.
... And let me guess Pentecoastals and Word Faith people receive truth?... 💤💤
@@dutch3017lol big cope
exactly... and fallible prophets too@@dutch3017
@@dutch3017so do orthodox and Roman catholics, baptists, anyone that has received the holy spirit my friend! The 5 solas are heretical.
As far as the truth is concerned, false teachers are rejected. So who are you calling false? 60 thumbs up and a heart from Remnant won't make the false into truth.
For the Remnant Radio guys to treat Justin and Chris with compassion and brotherly love is incredible, and an example for all of us. Thank you.
I heard them mocking them. Take another listen.
Yeah nah, they mocked as they always do
@@AfricanSheep Why do you even watch?. YOu obviously don't like anything they say. Your comment suggests you dislike and ridicule these precious brothers "Like you always do". Just curious, do you see how Justin always mocks ALL charismatic believers, and has never accepted an invitation to debate or even talk to any charismatic believer personally,? I've watched many of his videos, and have not seen him sit with brothers and sisters in the Bible believing charismatic area? If you have an example that I'm not aware of, please share with us all?
@@TBird5790 I've watched many RR videos and found them to mock anyone they don't agree with - while calling out those for mocking them so it becomes one massive vicious circle, so as Jeff says, take another listen.
I wanted to find RR being theologically sound however alarmingly, they seem to be fine with even the most obvious heretics (Benny Hinn has a healing gift apparently?!).
Justin has said many times that he believes there are many saved Charismatics, indeed I myself was one.
To answer your statement that Justin "and has never accepted an invitation to debate or even talk to any charismatic believer personally", well, you are simply wrong. A recent example in 2023 is that Justin Peters and Jim Osman sat down with Dr Sam Storms and Dr Michael Brown in a filmed round table discussion for American Gospel 3. Unfortunately, Dr Brown decided he didn't like what was said and pulled his involvement from the series. I have heard that he has since allowed some of the material to be used.
So you might want to rethink your statement - just because you haven't seen or heard about an instance of dialogue, doesn't mean it doesn't actually happen.
@@TBird5790no you’re right. Peters is arrogant and thinks he is right and everyone else is wrong without question. He doesn’t come off as loving in any that I’ve watched and I’ve watched Dozens of his videos
I differ from your view and am more aligned to that of Justin Peters, but I know how to recognize a gracious and well crafted response (such as yours) when I see one. Liking your video and commenting to grow its engagement.
Thank you guys! May the Lord give us grace, humility and wisdom to uphold His Word in all matters of life.
Soli Deo Gloria
Not sure how anyone can align with Justin Peters, except for all the other mean spirited, sarcastic Heresy Hunter "Ministries" and basement investigaters. He is so sarcastic and condescending to those in the charismatic realm. So thankful for your graceful heart, and how you want to know the truth. I'll be believing with you that you can sift through the clutter and let the Holy Spirit really lead you into all truth. I pray for that myself .
Chris and Justin read their own presuppositions into the text while accusing the Remnant guys of doing that very thing. I had a radical conversion almost 5 years ago. I heard from God in ways that are almost unexplainable, I don't have the words to describe these encounters. I know God still speaks, and miracles still happen. And of course, I filter everything through scripture because the enemy speaks as well. There are no scriptures to back up their cessationist arguments. They've never experienced God supernaturally, so they assume it doesn't happen.
Edit: After some push back, I must ammend my initial comment. I'm leaving it as is for context.. While not my intention i made a broad statement that didn't represent their stance very well at all. I should have said something along the lines of, "they've never experienced what some call the apostolic gifts, so they assume it's not currently happening".
I do however stand by the rest of my comment. I don't see anything in scripture that supports their argument. Thanks to those who provided some insight.
I’m not a cessationist per se, but I don’t think you need scripture to make a strong argument for it, depending on what the claim is. Most cessationists simply believe that the “Apostle level” (for lack of a better term) miracles are not in great supply in the modern day. I would argue this is simply observable, which is a valid form of evidence.
Also, the comment about them “never experiencing God supernaturally” comes across as condescending, childish, and is frankly not relevant to the truthfulness of the arguments.
@justinhawes1593 How do you not need scripture to back up a doctrinal teaching? I went 41 years without ever seeing anything I would describe as supernatural, and indeed, I was a cessationist. That's not condescending. There's a scripture that explains the cessationist belief better than any I've ever heard from that camp. It's 1 Samuel 3:1. "The word of the Lord was rare in those days. There was no frequent or widespread vision." This to me makes more sense than the total absence of anything miraculous.
@@FollowingJesus129 I said it comes across as condescending because it does, I’m not saying that was your intent. I just think it could’ve been framed better, and as far as the debate goes it really doesn’t matter anyways.
Teaching doctrine from the pulpit and having a private position are not the same. If someone is teaching from the pulpit I agree you need scriptural arguments, but one can come to a cessationist conclusion without scriptural input, that’s what I was saying.
For example, you can prove or disprove certain prophecies in scripture were fulfilled outside of scripture, such as the sacking of Tyre. You need scripture for the prophecy to begin with, but you don’t need scripture to conclude that the prophecy came true.
Most cessationists are making extremely modest claims that are blown out of proportion so that it’s easier to argue against, which I find somewhat funny. One miracle does not disprove cessationism, depending on the claim.
I don’t know anything about Justin Peters except people like to clown on him, which I find distasteful. Too many comments regarding his physical ailments, blaming them on his lack of faith. You wouldn’t hear a cessationist make such a gross claim.
@justinhawes1593 Never my intention to clown. I actually consider Justin to be a brother, and I really believe his intentions are good. Unfortunately, there is a ton of foolery in the charismatic circles today. The supernatural I experienced didn't look anything like that. It was honestly scary and awe-inspiring. Thanks for clarifying
On point!! Regarding the “I feel like God is saying…” topic…when I discern the Lord is speaking to me, I preface it with, “I feel like God said…” because I know can get things wrong. I welcome believers (whom I trust) to push back if they think I’m wrong.
Alright all you crazy charismatics..I suppose we need to come up with another word for “feel”. Errbody break out the thesaurus’s!
I was a part of a church for 33 years that had both Justin & later Chris visit but found my Christian life drying up and becoming uncomfortably judgmental toward believers that taught differently. It took several years to undo the indoctrination that I had been subjected to. My relationship to my Lord has finally returned to my first love but only after allowing Justin and Chris’s bias to fade into to background.
GOOD FOR YOU.😊
I am so blessed by this today.❤
I love the gentlenesses and humility you have here responding to Justin and Chris. Definitely not the way the world would react to such harsh words.
Normal people: This means this.
Academic: No, this means this.
😂😂
I’d trust an academic over someone pretending to know the language any day
Well done guys for doing this im also a Pastor in Australia and we see all kinds of healings and deliverance in our church
I wasn’t thrilled with the way Rosebrough presented his case, but all the Hebrew language and talking down to you aside, I think his view still makes the best sense when you look at the rest of the book of Jeremiah. Jeremiah repeatedly receives the word of the Lord and proclaims it with what sounds like absolute confidence. No where else does he say,”then I knew.” It seems much more reasonable to think he meant that now he’s seeing what God was talking about, not that now he’s seeing that God was talking.
Either way, he didn't know everything until more happened, showing how prophesy isn't always perfectly clear
God told him what was gonna happen, he knew it was gonna happen, and then he knew it was happening. Sounds like it was pretty clear.
I appreciate the way you disagree. It’s intelligent, mature and not condescending.
This kind of conversation is what we need to reach understanding.
God bless
So glad you have the same view as the critic. I gotta ask: why does it matter? Don't both interpretations show that Jeremiah was not clear on the message? That things became more clear AFTER the events occurred? If so, that's what the Remnants are saying. That it's not always clear when the Lord is speaking and ALSO that what you hear from the Lord is not always clear, it's often shrouded in mystery.
“I don’t need to know Hebrew, Carmen and Jack do!”
Please make this t-shirt!!!
Josh, michael and michael you are honest, gracious and truthful to what the word states. You back up your ideas with other scripture and scholars and commentaries. You admit it when these things disagree with your interpretations. I know i can trust your show to bring both sides of a topic into the conversation. Unlike your opponents who only cite sources that agree with their positions and leave out scriptures that do not support their opinions and then succomb to name calling. I find that cessassionists are very condescending and belittling. Thanks guys, another great show.
I have watched both Justin and Chris for a bit and I agree that Chris often comes off as snarky and prideful. He would do well to humble himself and seek honest fellowship with those who are in disagreement with him. Have a honest debate .
Who is Rosenthal? lol
@@theouterplanet dang phones lol my phone apparently knows a guy lol
Almost like he's not a true Christian despite claiming to be one?
I grew up in the PAOC for 25 plus years always hearing about asusu street, Parham, Lake etc.. Man you guys gotta wake up just about every false teacher, Myer's, Hinn, Bill Johnson, Copland. The send movement and all the false teachers that are involved in those movement are servants of satin posing as ministers of righteousness. All this comes from the Pentecostal, charismatic movement, joining hands withe the Roman Catholic church just riff with every wind of false teaching , (women pastors says no such verse, sucking up anti Pauline teaching). People with itching ears heaping up false teachers. Look at Sid Roth's program every lunacy in Christendom is portrayed as hearing from God. Oh these folks are hearing from some spiritual entity but it is not The Lord Jesus. Look at the Day Star and TBN empires who are on those stations. Bad Bad teachers and teaching. So when you look at all this gong show religious lunacy ya you might come off a bit snarky and pride full of having truth and not the Willy Wonky Chocolate factory false teacher of today. The Bible states a time is coming when people will not endure sound doctrine. Well its Here in full force.
I think they just need a prophetic word and have the secrets of their hearts disclosed.
"We ask that Your Spirit come upon them in power." YES, AND AMEN. 🕊🕊 P.S. When it does happen, it's gonna be EPIC! 😁😁☝️☝️
I enjoyed how you responded without the negativity I have seen on some other channels.
I love how gentle and charitable Michael is.
Also, thanks, M, M and J for teaching all of us how to speak the truth in love on theological issues!
Love this channel. I used to follow Peters and others in his circle but I just cannot take their arrogance.
I feel the same. I learned so much from the “reformed” but I can't with the smugness
Same here. I used to watch him and MacArthur alot, but I realized after awhile that I began having more of a judgmental spirit, and arrogance, like them. Also apart of a John MacArthur group on FB, I have to say its one of the most judgmental arrogant groups I'm apart of, im thinking of leaving it honestly. So sad that they have to act like this because I do like some of thier teaching but thier arrogance gets in the way for me to really enjoy listening to it. I really do believe justin Peters has a root of bitterness from his negative experience in the charismatic church, he now has a permanent chip on his shoulder. I really do think his anger over past experiences blinds him to what scripture really says, and I believe that's where his attitude comes from. He needs prayer.
@@Nessa-ir2br That seems accurate about Justin being bitter and having a permanent chip on his shoulder.
His testimony includes bitter experiences that he had in charismatic churches. He has the wrong kind of indignation and acts upon it.
I made a video called 'The Commandment of Justin Peters' if anyone is interested in what the Lord has shown me concerning the leaven within his ministry. Mark Lucero
@@Nessa-ir2br Just a gentle nudge to leave the FB group. Justin, and his buddies are very arrogant, and sarcastic. I don't know that I have ever watched any of his many critical videos where he was not arrogant and sarcastic, making fun of those he will never agree with. We hunger for what we feed on. The more we feed on those mean spirited sarcastic critcal videos of those in that circle, the more critical we become. Justin Peters doesn't want to have any open dialog with Remnant Radio, or Dr. Brown, no matter how many times he is invited. Why is that?
Wow, I watched the video by Justin Peters and immediately was so excited! This is progress because I have never seen the him tackle the charismatic arguements! Props to him for opening the door to future discussion.
What? He has tackled the "charismatic argument" by riduculing those brothers and sisters who believe the Holy Spirity still moves today.
Then you might as well read the Bible with a blindfold
Great episode! I have always been impressed with you guys' knowledge and ability to give an answer for what you believe but you all showed some real class in your response to these 2 critics. You guys are examples to follow!
From the AALC website
"The only prophecy that can claim inerrancy is the prophecy of Scripture itself (II Peter 1:20,21). The gift of prophecy as rightly received today neither supersedes nor contradicts the Word of God - it uplifts it."
Love your attitude. Took it all in such stride and with humor. I need to learn from you.
Just get rid of those Calvin idols! 😜
Cessationism: it's what's for breakfast...and it comes in a box, a man-made box, and is best served with sour milk.
I must say you are the only guys on youtube I can say who are fair. Justin and that other guy always seem to have hidden motives. Whenever I listen to them (manily justin) I know they are not telling everything they should, they just what to push their narrative. I'm glad you guys are showing that they are not the scholars they pretend to be. The Pirate guy and Justin are very prideful and the bible says God resists the proud. You guys have done well going through their points and examining everything and exposing the truth. - Justin is use to going after charismatics and them responding. But I think you guys are making them all scared now that people will lose confidence in them showing their deceptive ways. As far as the pirate guy goes I don't even think he is saved. I don't think he would take correction from anyone - dude is way too prideful. But i'm glad you exposed the commentary stunt he tried to pull. God is cleaning house and exposing - this scripture comes to mind- 2 Tim 3:5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people. 6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.
You have dealt with them with grace and show more Christian maturity than both pirate dude and Justin even though they are older. Well done again I'm learning so much. Tired of these guys with hidden agendas. Also I'm pretty sure you know Justin and pirate guy don't see any charismatics as fellow Christians even if Justin tries to pretend he does.
He definitely is saved I've seen him in tears over the gospel
JP speaks with confidence against RR but doesn't have the confidence to simply come on air and discuss. I think he knows he will have a difficult time if he comes on....
Yep
agreed he won't come on air because he knows he will be exposed. He has too much to lose, he built himself as a trustworthy person but now the truth is coming out. He has issued lots of challenges to charismatics but yet he won't come live on air with Remnant radio. This is what happens when people are building their own kingdom and not God's. God is not mocked so he is exposing all these men in all circles that claim to represent him but really are in it for themselves.
I challenged Justin (in the comment section of his video) to join the Remnant Radio as they have invited him to an online discussion (or cordial debate)
He banned me from the comment section! He has a fear of 'losing face' or not getting the upper hand in a 'discussion' or 'cordial debate'. Just like John MacArthur has little fear with Larry King, he has great fear with a debate with Dr. Michael Brown or Daniel Kolenda. These men are full of the Holy Spirit and are 'very bold' because of their obedience and experience with the Lord. They know God!! John MacArthur (and Justin Peters) know about God and their own doctrine. (cessationism and Calvinism) It wouldn't go well for MacArthur or Peters.
@@marklucero2524o wow, he blocked you? 😬
@@jtika1978 Yeah, soon after that challenge he banned me. I was also alerting some in the comment section of his video that Remnant Radio will make a response video to his video and maybe he banned me for that reason, but, yes, he doesn't like the challenge or pressure that I was putting upon him. When he answers, you can plainly see that he's finding excuses and not looking to find a way to accept the face to face online 'discussion'... it might be that he really doesn't love charismatics and that would be revealed. He wouldn't want anyone to ask tough questions either. Behind the camera we are all bold, face to face it's different.
Cessationism: when they lead you to water but they won't let you drink
May God bless y'all.⭐✨⭐✨⭐✨ Thank you for your graciousness and fiery passion. Your Missionary Baptist Continuationist Subbie. Peace out.⭐🌹⭐🌹⭐🌹
Guys, your unpardonable sin for guys like CR is not an incorrect interpretation of Jeremiah 32, it's that your Charismatic. Therefore, there can be no common ground at all. These kinds of dudes are insufferably exhausting. As usual, you handled the whole thing with your trademark grace, generosity and humor. One thing I really like with your interpretation is that it also allows for Jeremiah's frail humanity to be a part of the equation and yet God can still work with and through him.
Strange how the ones that have the holy spirit are persecuted heavily by religious legalistic heretics 🤷♂️
Hearing Chris talking about "shoe horning their theology in" to a Calvinist like Justin is priceless. 😂
God speaks to people all the time
Amen thank you Pastors !
Saved in 1981 and served the Lord faithfully for 28 years until I left the church because of personal reasons I cannot divulge here. Worked in a church building up the pastor and his wife to only be cast aside after the church began to grow.
I have witnessed so many false prophets that were allowed to continue to lie to young Christians some hurting and enduring difficult times in their life. I came back to the Lord 6 years ago and God has brought me through some really hard times.
6 years ago I was given 4 months to live, and a miracle of a liver transplant saved my life. Received a liver after being on the list only 7 days. I believe more than ever we have to watch and mark those who cause division in the faith, false prophets that are misleading people.
Dr Brown, you’re one of the few that I watch and would rather spend most of my time in the teaching of the word and not the sensationalism of ministers.
I was not expecting a Strong Bad reference. 😂😂😂
I was hoping for Beavis and Butthead
Thank you, Brothers🌹⭐🌹⭐🌹⭐
The Word of God says I do not want you to be ignorant concerning spiritual gifts 1 Cor 12:1 and near the end of the thought 14:38 the Word says if they want to be ignorant then let them be ignorant. If they don't want to participate with the Spirit in this area so be it.
I'll just keep speaking in Tongues, seeing people blessed through healing, and enjoying words of prophecy all to the glory of Jesus Christ😮
One item in my daily prayer prayer list over the last few months has been that Justin Peters would be healed to end this debate.
And I also confuse his name with Jordon Peterson...
That’s actually a great prayer. I think I’ll add that as well.
Thought I was the only one! Sometimes when he's talking I just want to hug him. He STILL goes to Benny Hinn events. I don't think it's purely to prove Hinn is fraud. I think he may actually be hoping Benny Hinn isn't.
I really enjoyed this episode and perhaps you can go into greater depth in future episodes. As you said, Moses longed for the day when all of Gods children could experience His presence. Under the Law, the Priests had to be of the linage of Levi and High Priests had to be of the sons of Zadok. (Ezekiel 44:15). The Levitical Priests ministered to the people, but only those of the linage of Zadok could minister to the Lord in the Holy and Most Holy place. We are ONE spirit with the Lord and He delights in revealing the deep things of God to His children. 1Corinthians 2:10-16. When you continue reading into chapter 3:1-3, you begin to understand why many are still drinking the milk of the Word and not the meat.
My father was a Church of Christ preacher and for the first 32 years of my life I was taught that the people that spoke in tongues and were filled with the Holy Spirit, were of the devil. We were the only true church, because we took the Lords Supper on the first day of each week, only received offerings on Sundays, didn’t use a piano as we worshiped, but most importantly, we had the correct name on our Church, (The Church of Christ). We had absolutely no revelation from the Holy Spirit and believed God no longer talked to His children and the Bible was a closed history book to us. We were the walking dead and didn’t even know it.
I had been baptized several times by the time I was 30 which would appease my conscience for a short time, but I had never prayed the sinner’s prayer, asking Jesus to come into my heart. Whenever a pastor of another denomination came on the television, I would immediately change the channel, until one day God gave me ears to hear and I asked Jesus to come into my heart. God heard my prayer and His Spirit bore witness with my spirit that I was His child. Shortly thereafter, He baptized me into His Spirit and His Word came alive for the very first time. The form of religion I was taught from my youth up, quickly crumbled under my feet, as I experienced spiritual warfare for the first time. I had no idea that I had just enlisted in one to one combat with hell itself. He gave me one scripture on which to stand and it has stood the test of time, “I will never leave you or forsake you.” Hebrews 13:5
I feel so sorry for those in the body of Christ that don’t understand what they are missing as they resist the Holy Spirit. There’s a place in God that He wants each of His children to experience, but, some are afraid that if they ask Him for His Spirit that He will give them a serpent! Matthew 7:7-11 This is the root of the problem. You do NOT trust God. Read Luke 11:9-13, aloud and may the words of Jesus convict each heart that has chosen not to ask the Father for His in dwelling presence. How much longer will you allow your fear and unbelief to keep you at “a safe distance” from the very presence of our Holy God. Israel made this mistake at Mt. Sinai and many are making the same mistake today choosing to know and view God from a distance. Hebrews warns us about allowing an evil heart of unbelief that keeps us at a distance, separated by the fear of being in His presence. Hebrews 3:12-15
In a great house there are vessels of honor and some for dishonor. 2 Timothy 2:19-21 The decision to be a vessel of honor is ours to make. We can have as much of His Presence and live as close to Him, as we choose. Out of the twelve, there were only three in the inner circle and only one that knew the sound of the very heartbeat of the Son of God. John knew the way to the Masters heart. Love unlocks the doors to the deepest and most intimate truths hidden in God from the very foundation of the world, as told in the book of Revelation.
We can have the correct theology, win every debate, lead lost souls to Christ, understand all mysteries and even give our bodies to be burned, but it’s all worthless if the process God is using to refine us doesn’t turn us into vessels of love created to host His Divine Presence. 1 Cor. 13. Who really wants to be the one to receive the, “I’m always right” award in heaven?
For further depth, check out our playlist regarding the Cessationist documentary. Thanks! ruclips.net/p/PLMsjeViSScFH-R73xFN76VXz789CV1pWL
I appreciate you guys.
Cessationism: the route one takes when pride is paramount
How do you figure that one out?
I like the thumbnail style & The sermon on the mount with Tim Mackie.♥️
I'm curious what Dr. Brown would say to CR regarding that scripture. He knows a thing or two about biblical Hebrew, lol.
Dr Brown - the man who thinks wolves are shepherds...lol.
@@markdromswy3931 Is that what he told you specifically? Or are you making assumptions?
@@e.m.8094 Name some charlatans Brown has marked and avoided.
@@markdromswy3931So you're answering my question with a question? LOL
@@markdromswy3931why don't you take a minute and scroll through the line of fire broadcasts, you'll see some there. Also, search up some of his debates.
I appreciate the humility with which you podcast approaches “teaching.”
I appreciate the conversational manner in which y’all discuss your viewpoints and others viewpoints, without arrogance. It seems to me that y’all have complete confidence that God is working in each of us to rightly divide His word, 2 Tim 2:15. I appreciate being lifted by your podcast and not talked down to! Keep up the good work.
I wish I lived close to one of you Pastors churches. It amazes me at how much vitriol is spewed by the cessationist and yet those who believe fully in the gifts are filled with so much love. That says it all to me right there. Will be sharing this with my Brothers and Sisters in Christ who arent quite there yet.
It’s the condescension from both sides that has made this debate become more and more irrelevant for me over the years.
Strongbad 😂 those were the days.
Hey Troy. Is the Holy Spirit still telling you the false apostle Kathryn Krick is legit? Cause you were wrong
@@theouterplanet I think you may want to go back and rewatch my video. You seem to be under a misconception about exactly what I said.
Troy, you were gushing over her and other false prophets for profit like David Diga Hernandez. Please go back and tell yourself the truth about how you were deceived by Krick and others. @@TroyBlack
Josh! That was the most passionate we've seen you in a while I think! While there is something to righteous anger, it might be more tasteful if it wasn't most memorably and most dramatically directed toward someone who had recently maligned you... :D Lord bless the ministry in OK and on WWW, and the fam. Throw us some more Strong Bad some time.
Now I want to see the Rosebrough video with the Strongbad impression 😂 That was fantastic Joshua 😂
Cessationism: torched by just one quote--Matt 3:11, Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16, John 1:33
I am a cessationist. I love Remnant Radio. I can't stand the level of disdain that hardcore anti-continuationists have for people who disagree with them.
Me too, but the disdain is hard to accept it almost sounds smug like
@@chazisflying yes, i left that scene recently, i grew up in that
what happens all too often is people are focused on getting new revelation and seeing signs and wonders, rather than seeking God where we know He is, in His word, in prayer and Lords supper
it almost always leads to taking your eyes off Christ
@@tomtemple69” that scene “ so continuationists are a monolith?
I recently left the reformed/cessationist crowd and one of the many reasons is because I got so discouraged by the fact that everyone is a “whack a doodle” (🙄) if you don’t align with them on almost everything. Some things are “permissible” but if you are a continuationist, you have a big red “mark and avoid” stamp on your forehead. The pride is unbelievable. Hear me out, I’m not saying all cessationists are like that. I know many humble and gracious ones, but unfortunately I also know a lot of prideful ones that openly mock and disrespect their brothers and sisters in Christ. It’s very sad.
I made a video called 'The commandment of Justin Peters' if anyone is interested in what the Lord showed me concerning the leaven within his ministry. Mark Lucero
@@chazisflying yeah, the difference is the charismatics arrogance stems from 1 Corinthians 4:6
@@tomtemple69 Yeah, sometimes we get too arrogant because we realize cessationists "go (WAY WAY WAY!) beyond what is written" when they claim certain gifts have "ceased."
Whoa, Rosebrough's 19 Dec 3 hour epic video wipes the floor with you guys. Looking forward to your reply....this is just like the church that I go to...half the people say I hear God in their head, the other half say, no ya don't, you hear yourself in your head...and nothing gets done.
Chris Rosebrough said he would sit down and discuss/debate with Remnant. I hope you take him up on that offer.
Chris Rosebrough would completely embarrass these guys. Chris is a pastor, theologian, and apologist. Chris speaks and reads Greek and Hebrew fluently. The Remnant guys have a good grasp of scripture, but no where near the level of Rosebrough. I mean, the Remnant guys had Todd White and Heidi Baker on. Those are two gigantic heretics. The Remant guys have zero discernment.
@@johnnypacificnorthwest9544 First, Rosey seems to think 1 Tim. 2:11-12 is a slam-dunk against women preaching, so it's clear his expertise in ancient languages is not foolproof.
Second, the RR boys feature guests they don't totally agree with.
Third, I'm only rather vaguely aware of Heidi Baker. Can you point me to her espousing one or two specific heresies?
@@Norrin777Radd 1 Timothy and Titus both show that women can not preach, and it is obvious. Also, Chris Rosebrough (not Rosey, don’t use insults, it just makes you seem immature) is fluent in Greek and Hebrew. Not a little educated, but fluent. He knows what he is talking about. As far as Heidi Baker, just look up “Heidi Baker body parts room,” so you can watch her lie from a pulpit about going to Heaven and given a key to a body parts room by God to come and go as she pleases,
@@johnnypacificnorthwest9544 That dude with his clownshow is the king of mean-spirited mockery, and you think *I'm* the immature one just for calling him "Rosey"? Lighten up, Francis.
As for his expertise in ancient languages, you will forgive me if I don't recognize him as superior to, e.g., Craig Keener, P.B. Payne, Ben Witherington III, Linda Bellville, Cynthia Long Westfall, and the late Gordon Fee, all of whom disagree with his conclusions.
Thanks for the Heidi Baker ref. I'll check it out.
As they said near the end, they'd be happy to get together with JP, but Rosey would first have to apologize for his insults.
So I think it's safe to say there will be no dialogue with him.
It kinda cracks me up because just the fact that they’re “interpreting” scripture with anything other than their human brain, lends one to contend that the perfect word of the Lord can be confused and misinterpreted in innocence. Which is funny, because this is their entire argument that the perfect word of the Lord is understood in perfect clarity by man 😂
Looks like Chris has a new video countering this. His new video is very strong
I've been wanting to ask, "Do any of you believe there is a national prophet to America at this time? If not, has there ever been one?"
I also want to add that it is time to mark Chris Rosebrough in accordance with Romans 16:17-18.
Pleasantly surprised by the excellent Strong Bad impression :)
All the arguments about theology and translating single words out of single verses, answering personal attacks, and the thing that finally wrings a comment out of this chronic shadow watcher has got to be the Strong Bad impersonation. Long live the Burninator!
Seriously, I think this is the first comment I've left a comment in years. I appreciate the levity and humor when it's injected!
I watched a video by Chris R many years ago as I was interested in the topic he was preaching on but I soon stopped watching his content because he was so disparaging and dismissive and disrespectful; his pride was evident. He tore down and never built up. I don’t watch Justin either for similar reasons - he’s always pulling down. There’s a place for pointing out error but when you start getting arrogant about it you should stop.
I have great respect for you guys because of your gentle and humble spirits. All the best teachers/preachers are respectful and watch their words especially when pointing out error.
As I listened to JP and CR there’s this sense that they have a desperate emotional need to critique an imaginary set ideas that THEY believe non cessationists believe. Secondly, likewise they do the same regarding the underlying personal character and academic integrity of their fellow believers. All of that INSTEAD of solely working out the text. It looks awkward and feels uncomfortable.
My issue with Peters’ comments on the term, “I feel like” is that he doesn’t want people saying “thus sayeth the Lord.”, either, so the only option he wants to give continuationist is to say nothing at all. I mean, when you are going to hate on what you consider the extreme and then also hate on the careful… at some point, it’s like… dude, just say that you think all continuationist are heretics and move on.
“Whack a doodle”? Good grief, if Chris isn’t careful he will will end up defining himself as the Beavis / butthead of Christianity. He’s a smart guy, he doesn’t need to do that.
He’s not wrong though
@@AfricanSheep It could be that , “Whack a doodle” is Chris’s personal tongue and therefore unknown, as the scriptures indicate. So, there no way to discover if it is right or wrong without an inspired interpretation.
@@voiceone4715 No need to head down the gnostic route there. You'll find wackadoodle/whack-a-doodle is in the Oxford English dictionary and means eccentric or fanatical.
@@AfricanSheep Ah, yes thank you for the reply and guidance regarding my path. But, I’m not sure Chris meant to reference that Dictionary definition. It sounded more like it was an emotional response, expressed through adolescent humor. It would serve him well to rely less on directing cynicism on others and more on precise biblical content. That way, what he thinks/ believes could be properly examined in the light of scripture. Then, we would have an opportunity to actually know if he was right, or wrong. I’ve seen him do that, but when it comes to the gifts of the spirit it seems like he tends to devolve.
@@voiceone4715 you mean like your response about Chris saying he's speaking in his own tongue? No cynicism or emotionalism there, right? A key part of F4F is examining what's been said in light of scripture, and what's notable is that Chris is both a Hebrew and Greek scholar. I have gained much from him, but if it's not your thing then it's not your thing.
You are in error with acts 21:4, it was not a missed revelation, they urged Paul not to go that is all that they received, they did not receive anything more than this by the spirit, it was not a missed revelation, it was when agabus came and prophesied of what will happen to Paul this was clear revelation given to agabus, they didn't miss it the first time because I didn't receive it the first time, you are in error, the reason why you actually try to justify all these things is because many times you cannot understand or see the clear prophecy that you think God is giving to you, so you do this to justify your own position, so you can be seen as being the faithful when you are in error of many things not just this,
Hi guys thank you so much for your work, I am a cessationist but disagree with the arguments of the Cessationist doco. I really appreciate your content and work, the only thing is if you can acknowledge the they are not representative of all the cessationst arguments and you are only addressing their view, not cessationism as a whole. Thank you!
I can appreciate that request. We have on several occasions mentioned that not all cessationists make these arguments and then we name guys like Thomas Shreiner and others. We'll try to keep that up though. I'm sure don't do that in every video.
Amen. What a perfect response in every way. Amazing video
I can’t believe how great of a response you guys gave. I thought you guys would be destroyed, but you guys completely won the debate in the end lol
It was pretty good I just wish they would respond to my questions. How would you interpret that in the days of old God spoke to us through the prophets and in various ways but in these last days he has spoken to us through his son?. Number two. Do you believe prophecy is foretelling the future for today outside of scripture . Because if you do Christ could not return within that time frame. Because God does not lie and that prophecy would have to come to pass. This is what has happened with Bob Jones the false prophet of Kansas City. He made all these futuristic prophecies 10 years from now 20 years from now that this is going to happen. Really. ?So if it was a true word from the Lord Christ would not return within that time frame and we would know that. And that's why they're false
@@anthonylomonte3437 I agree that Bob Jones and Paul Cain were false prophets.
Acts 11:27-28 says: "27 In those days some prophets came down from Jerusalem to Antioch. 28 One of them named Agabus stood up and predicted through the Spirit that a great famine would sweep across the whole world. (This happened under Claudius.)"
Acts 21:9 says: "He had four unmarried daughters who prophesied."
There were male and female prophets/prophetesses in the book of Acts who gave prophecy after Jesus ascended into heaven. These mentioned prophets/prophetesses were not Apostles.
I don't see a Scriptural foundation for the gift of prophecy ending. Irenaeus in around the year 180 says that the gifts of the Spirit were all still in operation, including the gift of prophecy, in his book "Against Heresies". That was 150 years after the birth of the church.
I love Justin Peters. I watch him all the time. I think he's such a needed voice in the Body of Christ. There are so many false prophets, including Bob Jones and those who were taught by Bob Jones, like you mentioned.
I just respectfully disagree with Justin Peters on the gifts of the Spirit ceasing. I think Justin just hasn't come in contact with very many normal Charismatics. He primarily sees the crazy ones because they're the most popular.
It was a complete baloney response though. Ask them to read the full John Calvin quote, not just bits of it.
Would love to see an episode in the future with July Roys from the Roys report.
Bottom line!!
Luke 10:21
In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
What are “these things” the supernatural powerful miraculous works of the Lord.
I appreciate you all at Remnant Radio!! ♥️🕊️🙏👍👍👍
Justin Peters makes a stronger point and I believe he can error and be brash at times but not this time.
The "tone" in which CR relays his opinions/views/criticisms really turns me off as far as listening to anything he says. I'm sure it's not intentional, but it really comes across (to me) as pompous and arrogant.
Really? I’ve been watching Chris for years and haven’t thought this in the slightest. He’s one of the best Bible teachers I’ve ever heard. Where he really shines is his sermons at the church he pastors… absolutely excellent. I’ve learned more from his sermons and fighting for the faith about scripture in the last few years than my whole life going to church. Despite what you think of him, he literally nails it on the head most of the time with these modern day lunatics running rampant in the church.
@@stringer19 Compare how he speaks about people he disagrees with, and then contrast that with how Dr. Michael Brown speaks about people he thinks are in error. Big difference.
I have utmost respect for Dr. Brown. I have an immediate family member that works directly under him at his ministry and he's been nothing but gracious to our family during an extremely sad/difficult time a few years back. I think Dr. Brown has a great mind and lots of great teachings ... However... I am in total agreement with Justin and Chris when they call out these heretics/lunatics in the church. Dr. Brown has to do mental gymnastics and give approval/turn a blind eye to the worst heretics in the church. He rarely rebukes anyone's extrabiblical teachings/experiences... even the worst of them. It's "not his place" or something like that. The modern church is a goat rodeo. Anyone can say/do annyttthingg in the name of our Lord and it just gets a pass. It's extremely sad to watch. So, while Roseborough and Peters may sound harsh at times, I believe it's warranted. We need to hold these frauds to the scripture and test what they say. I'm saying this stuck between a rock and a hard place - Loving my family members who are deeply involved into the charismatic movement, while just scratching my head and some of the people they follow lol. @@e.m.8094
@brockestringer It is easy to see why you don't find fault with Chris or Justin, it's because you have accepted the false narrative that anyone who disagrees with you (or them) is a heretic. You are using that word far too loosely and falling into the same trap both of those men do. I would encourage you to take a more humble approach like the Remnant Radio guys have. It's fine if you disagree with those who are charismatic. It is not fine to put them down and claim they are heretics, especially when they proclaim all the foundational tenets of Jesus.
No doubt there are charlatans in the charismatic movement. But there are also charlatans who are reformed. I would argue being a great Bible teacher like these two men doesn't mean anything if they can't show love.
The Bible doesn't say those who are great Bible teachers are the pinnacle of what a believer should be. Love is the greatest commandment, remember that. Neither Justin nor Chris appear to be teaching in love. Don't forget, the Pharisees were knowledgeable teachers too. That is important but not the MOST important thing.
If we are going to get all scholarly here, we really also need to have a look at the Septuagint. No one seems to have made that realisation yet. I have an academic background and I am a librarian. I know enough Greek and Hebrew to read the words from the letters. It says as far as I can tell "And (kai) I knew (egnoen) that (hoti) the word (logos) kuriou (of the lord) it was (estin). Your comments appreciated.
We did. In fact I mostly use the septuagint when teaching from the OT. Douglass Woodward's book "Rebooting the Bible" has me convinced of the need to do this.
@@michaelmiller5024 thanks Michael. Just checking. It seems really strange how cessationists think they are the only ones who engage in scholarship and looking at the Bible in the original languages. Also how they try to assume authority based on the interpretations they make from the original languages.
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Whoa, looks like that book makes some big claims that honestly do smell (just from reading the description) potentially “whackadoodle” hah. Any references or comments on whether the scholarship is sound? Are there any notable OT scholars agreeing with its claims?
Happy to hear someone else use the term “whackadoodle” because I refer to people as “wackadoo” all the time 🤣
25min into this and, as usual, I'm liking pretty much all that's being said and the way in which it's being presented. I do have some problems with some of what's said though. For example, Josh cites and references Gen. 40-41 as instances where God speaks but it's not understand by the hearer. Here's the problem with that it regards to prophets. The prisoners and Pharoah were NOT prophets. So that's a Strawman and VERY stinky red-herring.
Wrt to Dan. 8:27, I'm gonna have to give that over to a deeper study. Both translations and commentaries differ. Josh claims that Daniel did not understand the prophecy. But how can one be sickened/appalled by that which they don't understand? Several translations and commentaries say "none" understood it. One commentary says Daniel did, was appalled by it, and those he tried to get others to understand they couldn't.
John 12 I believe is a case where God gave hearing and understanding to those He wanted to hear and understand, Namely the Disciples. Similar to what Jesus did with parables.
I find it troubling that you would cite/reference Acts 10:17 without doing the same with Acts 10:28. Josh leaves the listener believing that Peter never understood the message. While Peter being "perplexed" might be understood that he didn't understand the vision I think this is an excellent case where looking at several translations, the meaning of "perplexed", and consulting several commentaries will lead one to a good understanding. And I believe based on Acts 10:28 that v.17 means Peter was simply thinking to himself "Could this really be?" So it was not a case of Peter not understanding but more a case of Peter not wanting to accept what was showed him.
Wrt Acts 21:4, I've already addressed that in a previous video and I believe Josh is "extrapolating" the text. IOW, coming to a conclusion based on a presupposition and bias that the text simply doesn't support. And that's bothersome because that's exactly what the Cessationists do. I hate it when one side criticized the other for doing something and then turn right around and do the same thing.
Roundtree makes an excellent point about 2nd Pet. 3:15 and Scripture as a whole. Isn't Scripture itself called Prophecy? If Scripture were as clear as the Calvinists say, oops! I mean Cessationists. Then we wouldn't have a the varying doctrines and denominations that we do, right?
LOVE LOVE LOVE what Miller and Josh said about how to speak prophetically. GREAT stuff there. I'm learning a lot about prophecy that I hadn't given much thought to in the past. I would only add and somewhat echo, albeit a bit louder and stronger, that when a "prophetic utterance" is made it should be made CRYSTAL CLEAR as to whether it is "it seems like" or "I sense the Lord is telling me" verses "Thus saith the Lord". So I agree with Roundtree and Grudem as well except, as I said before, when it comes to the "prophet" who says "thus saith the Lord" and is proved false. Then the "prophet" should be confronted, told to confess and repent before the entire audience that was given the false prophecy, and excommunicated if they try to wiggle out of it or refuse to confess/repent,
Where can I get a hold of this prophetic standard statement?
This was a great response.
It's ironic to hear Justin Peters talk of what "we cessationists have long said." He doesn't seem to be aware of what cessationists have long believed. Either he is ignorant of the history of cessationism or intentionally glossing over it. Just study the Reformed Puritans! Though they were the theological successors of Calvin, and were with Calvin on the cessation of the so-called "extraordinary" gifts, they believed that gifts ANALOGOUS to those 1st Century gifts still continued. In other words, they argued that while God doesn't impart "extraordinary" gifts today, He DOES still impart gifts that look very much like those 1st Century gifts. They're just not on the same level. Hence, a prophetic function continues...it's just not "immediate revelation" (meaning inspired, infallible, canonical, direct revelation). They argued for the continuation of "mediate revelation" (supernatural revelation mediated through the Word of God). They believed in prophecy, visions, dreams and angelic communication. They believed in "prophets" for today...although they would not see them as equal to the NT prophets. We're talking the Westminster divines, John Owen, the Scottish Covenanters, et. al. All you have to do is look this stuff up! Traditional cessationism was very much open to the supernatural.
Cessationism: rearranges to Scatism Noise, uncannily appropriately.
You were wrong. Admit your errors and ask these men for forgiveness, that’s the Christian thing to do.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE what Roundtree is saying right now. And I LOVE it because he is edifying, or at least should be edifying everyone hearing what he's saying. You do NOT need to be a Hebrew/Greek scholar to understand Scripture. ALL you need is to know how to use the tools and resources of those who are. That and MOST IMPORTANTLY walking in the Spirit and listening to the guidance of the Spirit WILL lead you into all Truth.
Roundtree is displaying why I love you guys and your program SO much. I would've never even thought to go to the Hebrew "definitive work on Hebrew". Heck I'd never heard of it before! Something to add to my tools now! Not only that but the example your setting and the juxtaposition you're showing between the way you guys work and the way Peters/Rosebrough work is SUPERB!!
I know I've said this before but it bears repeated. Bravo Zulu to all the hard work you put in for the rest of us. You are truly a fine example of how other members of The Body can strengthen the rest of the members and I have been GREATLY edified by y'all. Kudos! Now, I'm taking a break to eat some supper and go look at the transcript so I can save those resources you gave to my eSword.
Justin Peters just doesn't want to believe the Lord does anything supernatural in and through His body of believers.
you don't think salvation is a miracle?
@@tomtemple69 That's a childish question because you know that's not the subject at hand. Salvation is only the beginning of the supernatural. I'm am living proof that He heals through Words of Knowledge followed by prayer. Has happened to me twice.
@@ReLair88 so the work of salvation is not enough for you?
"heals thru words of knowledge"
what does that even mean?
@@tomtemple69 If you don't know what a word of knowledge is, perhaps you should study it out in the Bible.
@@ReLair88 This gift is mentioned in four places in Scripture - 1 Corinthians 12:8, 1 Corinthians 13:1-3; 1 Corinthians 13:8, and 1 Corinthians 14:6. It is neither defined nor explained in any of these places.
so how do you know what a word of knowledge is? i can call anything a word of knowledge...
and how does that "word of knowledge" heal you?
Cessationism: the powerless witchcraft of pride.
In one of your cessationist cocumentary response videos you quote 2 Samuel 7 where Nathan gets a prophecy wrong, God corrects him, and then Nathan gives the correct prophecy. I'm wondering why this wasn't included in the "Facts About Prophecy" list around the 23 minute mark?
Hey, can one of you Remnant Radio guys, or someone very knowledgeable about this view of Jer 32, help me to understand precisely what you are saying in regard how this relates to the biblical and modern practice of "prophecy?' So, first do I understand the position correctly to be that Jeremiah had received some message that he thought might have been from the LORD, but only after the events unraveled Jeremiah had confirmation and was able to declare it to be an actual word from God (and only describes it as the word of God in v. 1, 6 as an after-event characterization)? If correct, can you elaborate: 1) Are you saying this, as I'd guess from today's practice, is the norm as to how prophecy works - It can only be declared an actual word from God after confirmation of the message? 2) Or are you suggesting, based on this interpretation, that this is a rather unique instance of this particular proposed process, "clear" from the clause "Then he knew..."? And as a corollary, that even if this might seem to be the only such instance in Scripture where this can be described as that precise process, that alone provides justification for the modern practice? 3) Is this also how we are supposed to understand the 14 or so other occurrences in Jer. where he says the word of the LORD "came to me/Jeremiah" - that in every case he would have been initially unsure/unclear, but only after the prophesied events unfolded and in retrospect as the author -- he could declare them at that point authoritatively as God's word? 4) Are we to understand this same sequence - don't know, then events, then declare in retrospect as God's Word - is what happened in all such instances where a prophecy in the Bible is declared God's Word? And 5) According to this interpretation and modern practice, are we to assume a variant of the process unfolded with Jer and all OT prophets; namely, that some things were tentatively put forth by OT/NT prophets as God's word, but later -- as they didn't come to pass --they were then not recorded in the Bible because they were unconfirmed/proven wrong? Inquiring minds want to know. TY
I kinda want to remix this episode into a bunch of shorts where I add in Mortal Combat SFX of “Finish Him”, “Get over here!”, and “Brutality” right before Lewis, Roundtree, and Miller make their points. I know it may not be the “charitable” response, but tell me you wouldn’t laugh and love it!😂
Would watch 💯
Hey Guys, I've heard twice now that G. Campbell Morgan was Reformed but apparently Ian H Murray says that he was Arminian. Not sure if Rowntree is mistaken here or is there another view on this? It's at 9:04.
I've never been swayed or brainwashed by Remnant Radio, I'm a "mut" in the theological world. I believe in the gifts by I don't believe everyone who claims to have them is actually operating in a Holy Spirit given gift. I don't operate to my knowledge in any of the sign gifts, but I trust God's Word which clearly states these gifts will be actively used in the last days by God's people. So im what you would call a quiet charismatic or proper continueationalist.
With that said I absolutely love Justin Peter's, and I respect him and his teachings called "Clouds without water" and many other teachings of his. I learned a lot from him which helped me realize (along with Remnant Radio) that I need to study God's Word in context. I need to form my opinion of the text according to my educated understanding of it in all its truth. Only then can we believe in everything God has said He would and will do and can do at any time. Im open to God's power, and the Holy Spirit can do with me what He wants and I am keeping my eyes locked on Jesus so even when I goof up on my educated guesses, I know I won't have far to fall. Jesus always picks me right back up again and we continue forward.
I can't wait till we can all sit together in eternity and realize that we were all right In our own minds and walks, we just weren't right for everyone else's walks, just as they aren't right for our walks. Se are all individual. We all have purpose and instead of breaking up we should value eachothers dedication to the One and Only King Jesus. Everyone is wrong at many points all throughout their lives and walks. We should just accept that we will only know what we really wanted to know, once we are told in eternity. Those secrets and mistories God has planned for all of us. None of us know that. We can all agree on that, because no eye has seen nor ear has heard of the things God has planned for us in eternity. 💜
Are the critics auctioneers?! I was afraid to move my hand while they were talking in fear that I might accidentally be bidding on something. 🤣
Oh, Remnant internally speeds up all video clips that they show to save on time😊
@@joyliddell882 LOL, I know. That was just my (obviously poor) attempt at humor. 😂
@@e.m.8094 OH! Lol! Sometime I’m a little slow with the humor😅
And I meant to type intentionally* not internally. But I guess that works too.😆
Blessing to you!🤍
Out of all the wackadoodle channels out there, this is my favorite 😜😁
About the “feeling” being prophetic point.
Jeremiah 23:33-40 speaks of the burden/oracle/load/word of the Lord. It is in the context of prophecy and its misapplication. It is heavy implied in the passage that this “burden” was normative, but removed in their day due to misapplication
OK, now it’s come out about Mike Bickel, and if everyone are such good prophets why didn’t they see this?
Why couldn't Jesus know the day or hour of His return? You sound a bit like the Roman soldiers beating Him while He was blindfolded, mockingly saying "Prophesy! Who just hit you?"
Speaking of Hebrew!…do you guys happen to have a video on Hebrew gematria? It seems to be a point of great contention in my area. I was taught that classical Hebrew doesn’t follow the gematria, and on top of that, most classical Hebrew scholars don’t follow the gematria. But there are some who say ancient OT Hebrews practiced gematria
Nice intro. Poor Rowntree. 😂🙈
Cessationism: rearranges to It's a messi con. Ok, sic, yes but a highly descriptive summary, oui?
Great episode guys. Thank you for holding up the authority of Scripture with humble hearts.
How do you say Mike Drop in Hebrew? Great job Roundtree in defending what strongly suggests to be the correct interpretation in Jer.
Man, I am just super blessed by the work you guys are doing. I greatly appreciate the humble attitude that you bring when addressing your critics. I am in 100% agreement with Josh’s prayer at the end. These guys are our brothers and I know God is bringing correction to the cessationists as much as He is bringing correction to the Charismaniacs. At any rate, Kudos to you guys for keeping it scriptural. You are appreciated and may God bless your individual and coorporate ministries. At the end of the day, Jesus is king and if all we had was the preaching of the Gospel, it would be sufficient. Thank the Lord we have the Helper in all these things.
what was the name of the scottish prebystery with rules of prophecy