The "live at pompeii" version of this is outstanding. It's not really better or worse, just a different context. I will say though, the drum sound to my ear is SO good on the live track.
While I've always been more of a studio-phile, There are several Live albums which would be the better choice overall. KISS and Foghat are 2 great examples. The Pompeii version isn't 'better or worse', but allows the viewer to see that Pink Floyd isn't a pure studio band as they nailed it live. Seriously nailed it.
Agreed. Although I'd say that it's best that our host listened to the original studio version first. When he moves on to the original Pompeii version he will be able to both see and hear how they would work in a live setting.
@Rheumattica the Pompeii live version had a different perspective and a different take on Echoes where PF tailored the song to fit the amphitheater environment. They were nearly sued for copyright infringement by Andre Lloyd Webber for the theme song of the Phantom of the Opera. That thankfully did not materialize.
I have never heard a better vocal mixing than David Gilmour and Richard Wright. Their voices mesh SO well together, it's amazing. The world lost something special when Rick Wright died.
Bryan, this was originally a piece comprised of 24 separate songs the band was working on, and was called "Nothing, Parts 1-24." I was lucky enough to see this live way back in the day, on one of the three times I saw them. This is perhaps THE iconic PF composition.
The wailing sound is The guitar going through a Wahwah pedal, but plugged into the output and going out of the input. The volume and tone knobs can be moved to make the screaming seagull effect :)
The lyrics are about human connection and interaction (as confirmed by Roger Waters). The last part was described by the band as communication between instruments.
The guys from Pink Floyd had a lot of inspirations. But they were always unique and ahead of there time. Or, maybe I should say they are timeless. I don't know many other bands that created so many songs that don't age. Echoes is in this production a bit aged for me. I prefer the Gdansk version of Gilmour. As a composer you mention many important details. As I always falling into a mind cinema dream while I'm listening this song I really liked your analytical review of it. Somehow funny you expect always patterns. Pink Floyd songs can have tempo changes in it. It can change all in a Pink Floyd song. In the best Pink Floyd songs you can find the wirdest changes in all kind of musical ideas. And at the end you feel that all in all the song was created perfectly. And every change or every tone makes perfect sence. As a hint: For Pink Floyd silence is as important as the tone. Do you know what I mean? A lot of people don't like the scary middle part. But think of the contrast to the sweet start and end of the song. How boring would that song be if we would just had no scare and no drama but only the sweetness..
I like the whole song. And if you listen and see the "Live at Pompei" version, the drama of the lives swept away by the eruption of Vesuvius appears in the most dramatic parts of the music (of the entire concert). The most poignant version is, of course, the last one played together by Gilmour and Wright in Gdańsk.
My absolute favorite Pink Floyd song. It's just simply incredible. One of the best classic prog songs ever in my opinion. I don't know what else to say about it, it's just simply a masterpiece through and through.
I never really have a favourite song from any of my top artists. Instead I have lists of songs that I place in the top tier. For Pink Floyd, Echoes is on the list.😊
24:00 "Infinite loop" or Sheppard's Tone; in this case created with a slide on bass with the Binson Echorec delay machine (precursor to analog delay pedal), using a tape loop. First time in recording history in which it was done. They were wizards both in the studio and in their live setting.
I'm very surprised you've never heard this, it's so iconic and popular. But then again, I'm a semi-old fart. Re: the opening *ping* effect, from Wiki: "Echoes" begins with a "ping" that was produced by amplifying a grand piano and sending the signal through a Leslie speaker and a Binson Echorec unit. But you are correct that early Floyd was very much about experimenting with effects and textures. That began in 1967 where original guitarist Syd Barrett would roll ball bearings down his guitar neck. They were always doing new and interesting things in their concerts, and were early practitioners of using tapes in their live performance. And that lazy, "swing" drum pattern is a trademark of classic Pink Floyd. Nick Mason for the win.
Great analysis. Pink Floyd are named after two blues men Pink Anderson and Floyd Council. When Joe Bonamassa suggested to David Gilmore recently that he should make a blues album David apparently said "I've played the blues all my life, just never in a blues band". Also I implore you to watch them perform this live in Pompeii 1972. Sensational.
Great review. I think Echoes was the band’s light bulb moment, when all their experimentation in their early years was pulled together into a piece that was more than the sum of its parts. It paved the way for the Dark Side of the Moon, which stayed in the album charts for a mind-boggling number of years. If you listen to their earlier albums, they came from a chaotic, but ground-breaking place. The stuff they were doing was so out if step with their contemporaries. The band’s leader Syd Barrett, burned out and left the band, which is a whole story in itself. They then picked up the pieces, and, over a few albums, re-invented themselves. Echoes was that moment of clarity, the future, for them, was clear.
damn right! but, how can anyone analyze anything going through it once? especially of such magnitude. it's more of an "analysis attempt after listening to the whole thing once, without taking any notes and commenting on top of crucial features while not paying attention to the lyrics"! i still gave it a thumbs up though! 😄
I've read that the "seagull" effect was discovered by accident when Gilmour's guitar tech plugged the amp, pedals and guitar in the wrong order and the guitar ended up making this weird noise which became so iconic in this song.
For me, I always think of this song as representing the birth of life. Coming from the ocean-the sounds of whales, the wind, the birds-in the eerie and haunting section of the song. Then, life forming and human interactions subsequently from there. I think that it's been said that the song is about human connection, but I always feel it's about so much more. The echoes of past lives starting from the first origins of life. Sure, I am reading a lot into this masterpiece but that is the beauty of PF (the best band that ever was). They make you go places. Some beautiful, some sad, some peaceful-but always meaningful. I just found your channel today, Critical Reactions and I have subbed.
IMO this track is when Pink Floyd found their sound and voice. This album is a hodge podge of song styles, exploring old and new ideas (and they're all great), but the album ends with this. And then they made Dark Side. I feel like they made this, it was really ambitious, it had an ethereal but certain direction, and they looked at each other when it was done and went "few more albums of that kinda thing then?". So good. If you listen to what came before this in the whole career - psychedelia, but poppy, sometimes noise, sometimes catchy, and this whole album, and then get to this song, you'll go "whoa. So that's when the popular Pink Floyd 'sound' happened." Before Syd, their original lead singer and guitarist, left the band it was very experimental but also sometimes poppy in a weird dissonant way. When he had to leave due to heavy drug use and mental health problems David Gilmore the guitarist came in who had a heavy blues hand.. And they messed around with their sound for a couple albums and then we arrive at this.
imo they found it first in ummagumma with a valuable and surprising turn in atom heart. obscured surely helped but those where the milestones. and boy, they where many and major ones. so they didn't find it, it was a slow transition. however, i still don't see any of these influencing the dark side, as if sthg clicked and they all suddenly evolved into engineering some strange new genre, never before heard, never to be replicated, not even by themselves.
I always got the image of a submarine in deep ocean. That first sound is the submarine sonar beacon. The whaling sound may be from a whale and you get the sense that the submarine is in trouble and may be descending. The funky portion always gave me a sense of free floating whether in water or above the surface of the earth. The beacon returns at the end to ensure us all is well again. I can’t tie everything directly to the lyrics in the later verses but I’d be interested to hear what others think.
Iggy you are absolutely correct in your intuition and feelings -- it still sometimes amazes me how the best meaning people can, through no fault of their own, be totally unknowing of the actual historical context however. The song is forever intertwined with the famous movie "Crystal Voyager", originally filmed in 1973, with this song as the soundtrack. To show you how close your intuition was to the actual history of the song, here is the relevant passage from the Wikipedia entry for "Crystal Voyager": "Crystal Voyager is a 1973 Australian surf film directed by David Elfick. It was filmed by Albert Falzon, written and narrated by surfer, photographer and filmmaker George Greenough ... The film is structured as a loose biography of Greenough and was shot largely in California. It documents Greenough's search for uncrowded waves, which led to the construction of his 37-foot ocean-going yacht. It also feature Greenough's surfing friends, Californian Richie West and Australian world champion Nat Young. ... The closing sequence, Greenough's short film 'Echoes', is generally considered to be the highlight of the film. Filmed with a camera in a waterproof housing strapped to Greenough's back, the sequence is composed entirely of slow-motion footage shot inside the curl of waves, edited to the 23-minute song 'Echoes' by Pink Floyd.[4] The group reportedly allowed Elfick and Greenough to use the music in their film in exchange for the use of Greenough's footage as a visual background when they performed 'Echoes' in concert." I personally saw this film 6 times in the space of one month when I was living in London England in 1975 -- still one of the best films ever made (especially if you are, ummm, you know, consuming stuff?). The band was well aware of the film, and for many of us who go back that far the song does not make any sense without it. There are various internet copies around; you could try the Vimeo one at vimeo.com/31463588. Of course the video technology at that time (1972-73) was nothing like the 4K we are used to now, but it is still a fascinating look. I will write a separate post to Crit. Reactions on this topic as well. Have fun ...
perhaps the submarine is not sinking, just descending to darker and unknown territories, or even back in time, where ancient organisms and primitive animals communicated with each other via vibrations and primitive sounds. since our common ancestor is some sea creature, all that primitive knowledge/information must have passed on to us through our dna... which still affects us in one way or another... like distant echoes... and all we can do to understand who or what we are is to look deep inside us, helping ourselves to overcome our deepest fears and insecurities. after that, we can reach for the stars...
I’m also in love with the very lady ECHOES on Gilmour at Gdańsk which was the last time it was played before Rick died and is extremely special - just two old friends having a musical conversation. Rick came from a jazz background.
If you listen to the lyrics at the beginning of the song,it might make more sense, how it’s more about evolution from the sea and how we evolved to the land. (IMO)
I'd always kind of assumed that the 'screaming and howling and chirping' in the middle section was supposed to be seabirds. The clue's in the first line of the lyrics: "Overhead the Albatross...."
I think Echoes is not a song that tells you something concrete, but rather shows you what you need to hear and feel. For me, the storytelling of this song is about emerging from daily life, that first beeping might be like a calling, a beckoning from outside your own borders, which can be either religious heaven or Lovecraftian horror, as you feel like. The moment of the first verses comes with the idea of you standing in front of that ledge, that cave, that light, and going deep (deep in, or deep out, again, as you feel like). The funky section is the delight of finding out, of acquiring knowledge, transcending and ascending on a smooth flow that could go on forever, but then it fades out, letting you know that such ecstasy is just momentary, and we need to hop off that train, leave that party, land that plane, as you wish, and face again our daily life. Then the void, the fear of going back to reality, hearing the voices of things that seem familiar but we can't quite rrecognize yet. It's up to you to freeze, or take small blind steps. Then the guitar after the void, like a beacon of light telling you it'll be alright, that you can get rid of doubt and fear, and you start getting closer to the edge. Then you take the leap, it's a giant leap, but you feel sure, you know it'll be alright, you float, soar, dive, all at your will. And at last, with the return of the lyrics you emerge back to reality, with a new and greater understanding of you and what surrounds you, and the music tells you "look, it is all the same, but you're not the same, you're wiser now, and you'll see everything still familiar but under a more clear light". And there you go on with your normal life, but now you're one with the sound, and you are one of the beckoning beeps, and see yourself in those others who went before you and those who will go after you, echoing on this light and state of calmness and peace that goes on and on...
This is the last song on Meddle. That rising note effect at the end is also used to introduce the first song on the album, One of These Days. I don’t know what it’s supposed to signify, if anything. But to me it always sounds like the wind blowing the music in and then, once they’ve accomplished what they set out to do, blowing it away again. You’ll find Pink Floyd links the beginning and ending sounds on many of their albums.
Wouldn't be the last time they considered the album as a circle of music. Witness the "Isn't this where / we came in." as the first thing and last thing you hear on the Wall.
Great pick! Thanks once again for producing this content. Would love to see more Swans, as it was my favourite discovery of 2021! A full album reaction would be great, as their music really rises to its full potential in that format.
Good reflections. The greatness of this band is that the musical ideas drive the soundscape and vice-versa. The relative simplicity of the conventional theory belies their musical and compositional sophistication. The ideas expand, cohere, and develop ACROSS the discography, from album to album but you have to identify them through familiarity and repeated listening. The 'sounds' often fluidly move from object to note motif and back. The simplicity of conventional musical elements facilitates this. The use of the familiar stylistic elements is the scaffolding. You need to listen to this again in silence so as not to miss the impact of background elements and how well integrated they are. "Bing" is a tape-prepared piano. Did you notice that it occurs down several octaves at the end of the 'void' section and is referenced in exact pitch on the organ in sustain at the peak of the jam section? They are able to invoke sonic memory triggers with great skill. "Bing" (as an event signifier motif) has been distilled from earlier use and appears and develops on later albums. All their use of sound is musically integral. In Sheep, the simple two-tone minor third dog whistle from side one, 'Dogs' is translated into a motif of descending diminished fading guitar chords along with the echoed repetition of the word 'stone'. This is dropped like a pebble into that key spot in the composition and the ripples echo out from it... Sonic object indeed. Musique Liquide. You are not supposed to hear a dog whistle - and it is actually hard to detect the clear motivic connection - so it is a musical pun. This is the idea of subliminal messaging in meta. - Brilliant! - ("Congratulations, you have just discovered the secret message." - "Empty Spaces", "The Wall") Floyd is deliberately very careful with its use of energetic sound and fury elements. They always have dynamic context. There is no empty sound and fury. They are the dancing wu-li masters of dispatching great intensity with nothing but a kick on 1 & 3, or a minimal suspended cymbal. Personally, I feel that the recap in "Echoes" comes out from the depths of a dark night of the soul journey that has penetrated past any false underpinnings of sanity. I am riding on the back of a powerful surfacing whale or beast emerging into a place of greater acceptance and understanding that my person, life, mind, and indeed all of existence is both more horrifying and more rich and beautiful than I knew before the journey... and that while we can share this understanding, the experience and path is ours alone and that we can only echo this to each other 'call to you across the skies'. Cosmic existential loneliness. This is Orpheus ascending with new wisdom. There are no other rock acts like them.
I think you ended the lyrics part close to what I understand from it, and mind you, I’ve done research, read and watched many things about this song, including an interview where Roger mentions how this song was the start of a thread that connected everything they did after. It’s about connections, human connections and empathy. Painting a timeless picture of the world that surrounds us, the words are sometimes painting that picture, sometimes more direct or more metaphorical. “I am you and what I see is me” is recognizing our own humanity in other people, making a connection and using it to communicate and help each other. For me the void section is like how society and life can take us out of our own humanity, depression, disconnection, loneliness in a crowd. But the sounds slowly become recognizable again, bringing us back to our humanity, to music, to bright light that makes us function, and back to connections. With a final self determination to stay awake, open minded, aware and connected. I could write about each line but this would be extremely long, thanks for the analysis and insights.
Your interpretation of the void section is great! I like how it relates back to everything they're talking about in the lyrics while also being quite resonant today.
Yeah, the void is the scary lonely place without human interaction; many claim it is too long, but it's meant to create a feeling of desperation, which is resolved in the latter sections.
This song was the soundtrack of my discovery of the guitar. I spent so much time jamming to this song that it effectively was my teacher. I learnt how to sound bluesy and be thoughtful instead of throwing a stream of consciousness at the idea of a solo. I learnt that backing guitar can be something other than chords. I learnt that repetition deepens the mood. I learnt that less is more even when your song is 23 minutes long. I don't think we'll see anything quite like this again. Music has become a somewhat risk-free environment that punishes this kind of creativity. But there are still some artists that manage to buck the trend somewhat in this direction and it's what I'm constantly in search of. But part of the joy is also in finding such a rare gem :)
For that "run" you just have to remember it was pinched by Andrew Loyd Webber for the stage show "The Phantom of the Opera" 😉 So glad you did this track! Also from the same album you might want to check out the mostly instrumental "One of these days" 😉
The sound at the end of the song is called a Shepard tone, named after Roger Shepard. The auditory illusion can be either an ascending or descending pitch.
I think the chirps is actually just piano played through a leslie speaker and binson echorec. I love how the middle section doesn't have it as though communication and like the listener is lost and then it pings like sonar like you (the listener) find your way again. IDK its always how i feel listening to this.
First time i ever took LSD...after a couple of hours, couldn't stand it anymore...went to bed and put Echoes on...Let me tell you ...what a trip...Those were the good old days...
Correct. At that time record companies were finding that the public would pay for very experimental music. They had no idea what to do with it, it couldn't be put out on 45rpm singles, or played in short clips on the radio, but people loved it. So bands were just left alone to try stuff and if it sold they'd get another contract. There was a lot of crazy experimentation going on, most of it is lost. But to get the context of all this music we think is amazing these days, you have to listen to the stuff that was lost and forgotten. A lot of it would sound incredible these days. E.g. Family "Music in a Dolls House", brilliant stuff, but it came out at the same time as other brilliant stuff and got lost in the rush.
The ambient middle section makes me think of wolves or coyotes howling to each other in the foggy darkness of the woods, which is a form of echoing communication that seems consistent with the theme.
As a schoolboy, I bought Ummagumma on the weight of the grooviness of the album cover, and was duly transformed into a difference engine. Yes, Herman Hollerith's precursor to the computer notwithstanding, I was, from that day forward, transfixed by the notion of music as a mining expedition for the imagination, into a being who sought only the strange. The only aphrodisiac was strange, and Echoes was waiting just around the corner...with gifted cousins bearing dreams.
Andrew Lloyd Webber based a whole musical on that bass riff …. I introduced the band on an early preview of this album so it has a special place in my heart.
Echoes is my absolute favorite Floyd song. They don't get enough credit for how innovative they were on all their albums but this song really shows it!
The story for the squawking, squealing sounds was the guitar plugged into a wah pedal the wrong way around. In the middle of of the sea. Meant to sound like seabirds, the bass being played with a slide for effects rather than melody. Maybe waves of the sea. SO, you should check the “Last Performance of Echoes” 50 years later with the guitar and keys players. Gilmour and Wright. With modern tech and variations on the riffs, fills, play and response built out naturally over years of friends and musicians.
If you want to see the "Metal" side of Pink Floyd, THIS album, the first track "One of these days"... From 1971, it's still a reference for many metal musicians I know.
Always seemed like the story of all life starting in the deep ocean, with the extensive time before humans, then the brief triumph of man. Finally rising to the end of mans time on this earth. With the message that while we are here we should be sympathetic and welcoming towards each other. We should remember we are ALL related, we are ALL family.
And for me that middle section represents the billions of years of early land lifeforms, birds and pre-humans. But I think its more important that Pink Floyd made your mind go off down your own individual weirdness without you needing to use any chemical enhancement 😎 You don't need drugs to do Pink Floyd But some say You need Pink Floyd to do drugs 🤣
The "chirping" sound is a piano, recorded through a rotating microphone in an organ I believe? I don't know anything about the technicalities there, but they talk about in a documentary about the Meddle album that is up on youtube (The Lost Pink Floyd album, or somesuch). Allegedly they didn't have much of a plan when they entered the studio to record this album, and they started out recording kitchen utensils and a lot of weird stuff, for inspiration. This chirp was one of those, and fuelled the creation of this song. Which was the first one they wrote for the album.
Big fan, and shocked you had never heard Echoes before. Have you ever considered releasing audio versions of your recordings as podcasts so one can listen while driving? Thanks!
You asked about what were their influences might be.... As an old guy from the UK who grew up in the '60's I can assure you that Pink Floyd were a band on their own... If anything they influenced others... and as for the blues, there was a huge blues boom in the UK during the '60's and any British guitarist of note grew up with that and has a blues influence in their playing... Don't forget Jimi Hendrix blew into Britain and became a guitarist of note in amongst all this before he became big in America... Even The Beatles played blues.
Personally I would've have picked this as a "deep cut." It may not be the most popular Floyd but it's far from obscure, regularly featuring in their live shows and is generally one of their most critically acclaimed tracks. In terms of Floyd's career this was really the transitional song/album from their early psychedelic pop/rock period into their late space/art/prog rock period. I've also often said that Floyd (and tracks like this in particular) really demonstrate how they were arguably the first "post-rock" band, perhaps not literally but in the sense that all the elements we think of as post-rock (the slow burns, the focus on atmosphere and texture, etc.) was very much a part of their sound. Though you can still hear echoes (hehe) of Beatles-esque psychedelia here, especially in the vocal melodies and some of the more elaborate guitar lines. Personally, I've always felt Floyd bettered this template in their later epics, but there's still a wealth of interesting (and really great in isolation) ideas here, but I've never felt it all quite cohered as well as their later masterpieces. BTW, your "magic trick" analogy is one I've used myself many times. To me, the best works of art (in any medium) tends to be those that even once you figure out the "magic trick" they don't lose their capacity to awe you.
YES! Songs where the understanding grows the appreciation, where even subtle ideas begin to make a smile start on your face because you know the nuance to create it.
ping sound is keys. apparently Richard Wright did it once, they tried to do it again but couldn't so they used the initial ping they "accidentally" found
Pink Floyd were masters at starting with chaos and developing a tune out of it. Equally, they could craft the most beautiful music and gradually tear it down into the most gawdawful chaos imaginable.
Yes, that apparently constantly rising note is a well.known acoustical illusion. Very cool by Pink Floyd to use this effect. You should react to "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers" by Van der Graaf Generator from their album "Pawn Hearts", which came out a month before Pink Floyd's "Meddle". Another very experimental 23 minutes song about a lighthouse keeper becoming crazy from all the shipwrecks he has to see. It has a passage where two ships collide in the fog (you can hear the two different foghorns getting closer to each other and then the collision). The song is extremely experimental with some really wild and chaotic passages.
Peter Crawford is a California surfer and film maker who asked Pink Floyd for the rights to use Echoes in his surf film Crystal Voyager, soon after the album was released. In the film section the entire 23 minutes is devoted to slow motion ultra wide angle tube riding sequences . It's well worth a check out even though the analog film stock Crawford uses is quite grainy by todays standards. The piece for me has always been the from the prelude to the end a journey from sonar aquatic scapes to heavy involvement, to claustrophobic deep ocean alienation and finally release and rescue to the surface...kinda like a journey from innocent acquaintance to deep and sometimes dark entanglement culminating in a return to a place of relief but somehow changed. The rest of the album varies from bombastic vocal and sound sound assaults, heavy rhythms to deconstructed and reconstituted (from previous tracks) into stock but light blues, soft atmospheres and whimsical drifting ballads. I'd have to say bands like Yes, King Krimson and Uriah Heap were already experimenting with atmospheric elongated classical and progressive styles and themes in and around the time of Meddle.
Pink Floyd kept very interesting musical company in their early days. The scene they were associated with at first was even more psychedelic and free-form than their American counterparts. One band that helped push them more in that direction was AMM, which were free improvisation. This eagerness to experiment would put them with other experimental types from Captain Beefheart to Frank Zappa to Soft Machine and others. But what I always find interesting about Pink Floyd is they were not above conventional forms either. Waters, Gilmour and Wright exercised their songwriting chops after Syd Barrett in various ways. But in each effort, the songs became something that only they could devise. And this is what makes them interesting. And this definitely culminated in The Dark Side of the Moon where it can be called the most popular experimental album ever =] And yes, Echoes was the key stepping stone for this. This was also a culmination of what they were developing for the past three years: long-form jam with strong ideas and a good flow through the whole thing.
About the chirping sound, you’re right, it is a guitar: “The middle section of the song features Waters using a slide and a Binson Echorec. Gilmour plays a high-pitched screeching noise, which was created by plugging a wah-wah pedal in back to front. Drummer Nick Mason later clarified it was an accident, and their experience with working with Ron Geesin had taught them to embrace experiments and try anything if it would work on a song” -wikipedia
The ever-raising note effect you pointed out can be also found at the end of Queen song Teo Torriate, the closing track of the A Day At The Races album. And you’re right, that cognitive dissonance element is definitely there at least for me; VERY cool.
“Overhead the albatross Hangs motionless upon the air And deep beneath the rolling waves In labyrinths of coral caves The echo of a distant time Comes willowing across the sand And everything is green and submarine” I think that’s pretty much the fit for the wailing section you were wondering about. It does literally refers to the very distant past when life was forming and evolving.
@@SpeedOfThought1111 The exact explanation is on my first comment; it’s achieved by plugging the guitar to way-wah pedal back to front. If I remember correctly David doesn’t even touch the fretboard, just modulates the sound through one the guitar’s control knobs.
I would say watch the live version that the band did in Pompeii.... In 1971..!!!! And you can watch Dave as he gets those screams and seagull noises from his guitar... And all the other stuff of course... now you know the piece you need to watch the live version... It's different... but the same.. This track is the essence of what Pink Floyd are all about.... Giving the music space.... I like the analogy to a rainy city scape. I'm so old I bought the album when it came out.. and it was in a gatefold sleeve so you don't get the full image on the CD.. but when you unfolded the sleeve the front and back showed you an ear under water... you can see the ripples of drops of water on the bottom edge...... And the first note we hear on the piano is like a sonar echo underwater..... Keep on Rocking
Re the start..... with no apparent set timing to the “echoes” It fits perfectly to the video of Live at Pompeii. The video intro gives it meaning and purpose.
There's that run again as you said stolen by Andrew Lloyd Webber of course for his Phantom of the Opera score! Or should I say Rodger Waters Phantom of the Opera score?? Waters actually thought of suing him but he decided it would have been too much trouble! At the end you have David Gilmour with his guitar and Rick Wright with the keyboards having a conversation musically saying goodbye to one another....
If you haven't already, you should check out Alan Parsons Project, he was an audio engineer for Pink Floyd and he and his band did some phenomenal stuff. If you want psychedelic Floyd, then listen to Ummagumma. David Gilmour described their music as "a journey"... that sometimes lifts you up and carries you along and others that you have to lean into, that pushes you up. Pink Floyd was one of those bands that insisted that what you got from the studio could be done live during a concert, so they didn't do much in "mixing/studio magic".
On vinyl, Meddle's A side is the first 5 tracks and side B is just Echoes haha - Also fun fact, the cover artwork is a rotated close-up of an ear underneath water ripples
Echoes was a result of Roger Waters getting hugely influenced by a south Asian poet from Pakistan by the name of Iqbal. Poetry of Iqbal inspired the space exploration of musicality like Echoes, Set the Control to the heart of the Sun, Astronimo Domine, Inter stellar overdrive and the return of the son of nothing.
Please see the attached documentary on Echoes that will give you some perspective on the Echoes project of Pink Floyd. Hopefully this will add a dimension to your analysis ruclips.net/video/U8LCqosoYsU/видео.html
They eerie atmospheric section in the middle was used many times for spook houses back when I was a kid. I know my local AOR station used it to advertise Halloween themed stuff. Pink Floyd is probably the most experimental of all the British prog rock bands.
Highly recommend checking out Atom Heart Mother, the title track from their 1969 album. It’s a 24 minute instrumental with a live orchestra incorporated heavily. Definitely some very psychedelic Pink Floyd
probably on my top 6-7 pf tracks. however, it's definitely not psychedelic, everything on it is masterfully organized, orchestrated and performed. same applies to echoes. might be closer to prog but still, not quite prog. it's a genre of its own. ummagumma was not psychedelic either. everything before that was though. i fully understand why you include it in that genre, it's the pf effect. 🙃
This album came out less than a year after _Songs of the Humpback Whale_ became the first nature recording to go gold. I believe it was almost certainly an influence on this.
As for the meaning of the lyrics.... My take is that it's about the human species coming out of the primordial water... If you read evolution theory supposedly we started as fish who began to climb out of the water and then started to walk etc, etc.. that's the start lyrics and then the rest is about us now and how we should talk more... a perennial theme really. Simplistic yes, but my take.. as for the music, listen to it as if it's referencing water... so many water based ideas I feel... Sorry this is my third comment but I felt your detailed analysis deserved them... even if they are waffle... At least it's my waffle. Keep on Rocking.
Wrt the odd note that you couldn't place how it was made, look for a video titled _"David Gilmour and Rick Wright - Talking about Echoes piano intro"_.
Since I’m not going to scroll through all the comments: The “screams” in the middle of the song are made using a guitar plugged into a wah pedal “backwards” in the signal chain.
Best to view Pink Floyd as 2 different bands. Band 1). With Syd Band 2) With David Gilmour Band 1) Could not copy other bands because they could not play their chosen instruments. They developed a style of elongated single notes and simple slow music ideas. Band 2) Enter Gilmour the musician and singer and the other band members were learning to play...... A totally different band still playing slow long notes, but very differently.
@@viniciobusani REALLY ? So Roger Waters was constantly lying to reporters and interviewers when he often explained how and why they developed their own sound and style .....by elongation of one solitary note. Do ya homework.
@@Rassskle Absolutely, Syd Barrett was a fantastic songwriter of super original 3-minute psychedelic pop tracks. From the very first album, they were all incredible musicians and arrangers, with a very clear idea of their sound and style. They used effects in a way no one had before, with great use of dynamics and modal and jazzy instrumental sections. They were also really strong in studio production. Have you ever heard the mono version of The Piper? They say Barrett was directly involved in that mix (while the stereo version was mixed without the Floyd being present in the studio). These aren’t things you can do if you're just learning how to play.
@@viniciobusani You have absolutely no knowledge about the truth and facts......your living in la la land. Roger admitted the truth in many interviews. Do your homework !!!
@@Rassskle Do you have ears? Listen to the records... I can't believe I have to waste time explaining the obvious to someone, which is that Pink Floyd are amazing musicians. Enjoy your fanzine bullshits
The original heavy and hard rock from 1960’s England was from a very diverse musical background. Most musicians involved were rooted in blues and or jazz.... blues guitarists and jazz drummers. Most of the great singers were jazz singers. AND YET......almost half of them started out in Skiffle bands. lol
You figured out what lyrics meant exactly. It's about humanity coming together and the echoes from the past.. Musically I feel it tells the tale of the journey of life. How we rise and can fall and go through dark times. Just to rise up again with all your accumulated knowledge...the very end feels like death to me
The "live at pompeii" version of this is outstanding. It's not really better or worse, just a different context. I will say though, the drum sound to my ear is SO good on the live track.
I like the live version more. You're right the drums sound perfect and so does the bass.
While I've always been more of a studio-phile, There are several Live albums which would be the better choice overall. KISS and Foghat are 2 great examples. The Pompeii version isn't 'better or worse', but allows the viewer to see that Pink Floyd isn't a pure studio band as they nailed it live. Seriously nailed it.
Agreed. Although I'd say that it's best that our host listened to the original studio version first. When he moves on to the original Pompeii version he will be able to both see and hear how they would work in a live setting.
Yep. The "live at pompeii" is much better than this studio version. Especially the drums and bass.
@Rheumattica the Pompeii live version had a different perspective and a different take on Echoes where PF tailored the song to fit the amphitheater environment. They were nearly sued for copyright infringement by Andre Lloyd Webber for the theme song of the Phantom of the Opera. That thankfully did not materialize.
I have never heard a better vocal mixing than David Gilmour and Richard Wright. Their voices mesh SO well together, it's amazing. The world lost something special when Rick Wright died.
You are so right, they were like one mind when they harmonised, it is no surprise that David Gilmour never performed this after Rick died.
Rick and Dave were similar sounding to Garfunkle and Mercury.
@@FLASHAHOLIC_TV I'd expect Simon and McCartney...
I've loved this song ever since I first heard it in 1972 as a 16 year old. It is one of my favourite Pink Floyd tracks.
Bryan, this was originally a piece comprised of 24 separate songs the band was working on, and was called "Nothing, Parts 1-24." I was lucky enough to see this live way back in the day, on one of the three times I saw them. This is perhaps THE iconic PF composition.
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The wailing sound is The guitar going through a Wahwah pedal, but plugged into the output and going out of the input. The volume and tone knobs can be moved to make the screaming seagull effect :)
The lyrics are about human connection and interaction (as confirmed by Roger Waters). The last part was described by the band as communication between instruments.
The guys from Pink Floyd had a lot of inspirations. But they were always unique and ahead of there time. Or, maybe I should say they are timeless. I don't know many other bands that created so many songs that don't age. Echoes is in this production a bit aged for me. I prefer the Gdansk version of Gilmour.
As a composer you mention many important details. As I always falling into a mind cinema dream while I'm listening this song I really liked your analytical review of it. Somehow funny you expect always patterns. Pink Floyd songs can have tempo changes in it. It can change all in a Pink Floyd song. In the best Pink Floyd songs you can find the wirdest changes in all kind of musical ideas. And at the end you feel that all in all the song was created perfectly. And every change or every tone makes perfect sence.
As a hint: For Pink Floyd silence is as important as the tone. Do you know what I mean?
A lot of people don't like the scary middle part. But think of the contrast to the sweet start and end of the song. How boring would that song be if we would just had no scare and no drama but only the sweetness..
I like the whole song.
And if you listen and see the "Live at Pompei" version, the drama of the lives swept away by the eruption of Vesuvius appears in the most dramatic parts of the music (of the entire concert).
The most poignant version is, of course, the last one played together by Gilmour and Wright in Gdańsk.
My absolute favorite Pink Floyd song. It's just simply incredible. One of the best classic prog songs ever in my opinion. I don't know what else to say about it, it's just simply a masterpiece through and through.
I never really have a favourite song from any of my top artists. Instead I have lists of songs that I place in the top tier. For Pink Floyd, Echoes is on the list.😊
24:00 "Infinite loop" or Sheppard's Tone; in this case created with a slide on bass with the Binson Echorec delay machine (precursor to analog delay pedal), using a tape loop. First time in recording history in which it was done. They were wizards both in the studio and in their live setting.
I'm very surprised you've never heard this, it's so iconic and popular. But then again, I'm a semi-old fart.
Re: the opening *ping* effect, from Wiki: "Echoes" begins with a "ping" that was produced by amplifying a grand piano and sending the signal through a Leslie speaker and a Binson Echorec unit.
But you are correct that early Floyd was very much about experimenting with effects and textures. That began in 1967 where original guitarist Syd Barrett would roll ball bearings down his guitar neck. They were always doing new and interesting things in their concerts, and were early practitioners of using tapes in their live performance.
And that lazy, "swing" drum pattern is a trademark of classic Pink Floyd. Nick Mason for the win.
Nick Mason certainly did a LOT of winning.
The ping was just before Richard's Hammond organ via his Leslie speaker started to feedback a happy accident they used
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Great analysis. Pink Floyd are named after two blues men Pink Anderson and Floyd Council. When Joe Bonamassa suggested to David Gilmore recently that he should make a blues album David apparently said "I've played the blues all my life, just never in a blues band". Also I implore you to watch them perform this live in Pompeii 1972. Sensational.
Great review. I think Echoes was the band’s light bulb moment, when all their experimentation in their early years was pulled together into a piece that was more than the sum of its parts. It paved the way for the Dark Side of the Moon, which stayed in the album charts for a mind-boggling number of years.
If you listen to their earlier albums, they came from a chaotic, but ground-breaking place. The stuff they were doing was so out if step with their contemporaries. The band’s leader Syd Barrett, burned out and left the band, which is a whole story in itself. They then picked up the pieces, and, over a few albums, re-invented themselves. Echoes was that moment of clarity, the future, for them, was clear.
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this song definitely deserved the 1 hour analysis
damn right!
but, how can anyone analyze anything going through it once? especially of such magnitude.
it's more of an "analysis attempt after listening to the whole thing once, without taking any notes and commenting on top of crucial features while not paying attention to the lyrics"!
i still gave it a thumbs up though! 😄
I've read that the "seagull" effect was discovered by accident when Gilmour's guitar tech plugged the amp, pedals and guitar in the wrong order and the guitar ended up making this weird noise which became so iconic in this song.
Apparently he Plugged the negative into the positive and vice versa by accident. He is actually just using the tone controls to create the noise
@@floydianepic3259 Oh yea turning the tone knobs on the guitar made the sound, good point
For me, I always think of this song as representing the birth of life. Coming from the ocean-the sounds of whales, the wind, the birds-in the eerie and haunting section of the song. Then, life forming and human interactions subsequently from there. I think that it's been said that the song is about human connection, but I always feel it's about so much more. The echoes of past lives starting from the first origins of life. Sure, I am reading a lot into this masterpiece but that is the beauty of PF (the best band that ever was). They make you go places. Some beautiful, some sad, some peaceful-but always meaningful. I just found your channel today, Critical Reactions and I have subbed.
IMO this track is when Pink Floyd found their sound and voice. This album is a hodge podge of song styles, exploring old and new ideas (and they're all great), but the album ends with this. And then they made Dark Side. I feel like they made this, it was really ambitious, it had an ethereal but certain direction, and they looked at each other when it was done and went "few more albums of that kinda thing then?".
So good.
If you listen to what came before this in the whole career - psychedelia, but poppy, sometimes noise, sometimes catchy, and this whole album, and then get to this song, you'll go "whoa. So that's when the popular Pink Floyd 'sound' happened."
Before Syd, their original lead singer and guitarist, left the band it was very experimental but also sometimes poppy in a weird dissonant way. When he had to leave due to heavy drug use and mental health problems David Gilmore the guitarist came in who had a heavy blues hand.. And they messed around with their sound for a couple albums and then we arrive at this.
imo they found it first in ummagumma with a valuable and surprising turn in atom heart. obscured surely helped but those where the milestones. and boy, they where many and major ones. so they didn't find it, it was a slow transition.
however, i still don't see any of these influencing the dark side, as if sthg clicked and they all suddenly evolved into engineering some strange new genre, never before heard, never to be replicated, not even by themselves.
Ohhhhh that's a LEGENDARY song!!! 🖤 A true MASTERPIECE!!!
I always got the image of a submarine in deep ocean. That first sound is the submarine sonar beacon. The whaling sound may be from a whale and you get the sense that the submarine is in trouble and may be descending. The funky portion always gave me a sense of free floating whether in water or above the surface of the earth. The beacon returns at the end to ensure us all is well again. I can’t tie everything directly to the lyrics in the later verses but I’d be interested to hear what others think.
Iggy you are absolutely correct in your intuition and feelings -- it still sometimes amazes me how the best meaning people can, through no fault of their own, be totally unknowing of the actual historical context however. The song is forever intertwined with the famous movie "Crystal Voyager", originally filmed in 1973, with this song as the soundtrack. To show you how close your intuition was to the actual history of the song, here is the relevant passage from the Wikipedia entry for "Crystal Voyager":
"Crystal Voyager is a 1973 Australian surf film directed by David Elfick. It was filmed by Albert Falzon, written and narrated by surfer, photographer and filmmaker George Greenough ... The film is structured as a loose biography of Greenough and was shot largely in California. It documents Greenough's search for uncrowded waves, which led to the construction of his 37-foot ocean-going yacht. It also feature Greenough's surfing friends, Californian Richie West and Australian world champion Nat Young. ... The closing sequence, Greenough's short film 'Echoes', is generally considered to be the highlight of the film. Filmed with a camera in a waterproof housing strapped to Greenough's back, the sequence is composed entirely of slow-motion footage shot inside the curl of waves, edited to the 23-minute song 'Echoes' by Pink Floyd.[4] The group reportedly allowed Elfick and Greenough to use the music in their film in exchange for the use of Greenough's footage as a visual background when they performed 'Echoes' in concert."
I personally saw this film 6 times in the space of one month when I was living in London England in 1975 -- still one of the best films ever made (especially if you are, ummm, you know, consuming stuff?). The band was well aware of the film, and for many of us who go back that far the song does not make any sense without it. There are various internet copies around; you could try the Vimeo one at vimeo.com/31463588. Of course the video technology at that time (1972-73) was nothing like the 4K we are used to now, but it is still a fascinating look. I will write a separate post to Crit. Reactions on this topic as well. Have fun ...
I got the same feeling.
perhaps the submarine is not sinking, just descending to darker and unknown territories, or even back in time, where ancient organisms and primitive animals communicated with each other via vibrations and primitive sounds.
since our common ancestor is some sea creature, all that primitive knowledge/information must have passed on to us through our dna... which still affects us in one way or another... like distant echoes...
and all we can do to understand who or what we are is to look deep inside us, helping ourselves to overcome our deepest fears and insecurities.
after that, we can reach for the stars...
@@costaliberta5969 Exactly!
That section of the lyrics is about life's creation in the ocean and eventual evolution..."starts to crawl towards the light"
I’m also in love with the very lady ECHOES on Gilmour at Gdańsk which was the last time it was played before Rick died and is extremely special - just two old friends having a musical conversation. Rick came from a jazz background.
If you listen to the lyrics at the beginning of the song,it might make more sense, how it’s more about evolution from the sea and how we evolved to the land. (IMO)
I'd always kind of assumed that the 'screaming and howling and chirping' in the middle section was supposed to be seabirds. The clue's in the first line of the lyrics: "Overhead the Albatross...."
Echoes it‘s not an unpopular and underrated song at all, it was even published in the best of
I think Echoes is not a song that tells you something concrete, but rather shows you what you need to hear and feel. For me, the storytelling of this song is about emerging from daily life, that first beeping might be like a calling, a beckoning from outside your own borders, which can be either religious heaven or Lovecraftian horror, as you feel like. The moment of the first verses comes with the idea of you standing in front of that ledge, that cave, that light, and going deep (deep in, or deep out, again, as you feel like).
The funky section is the delight of finding out, of acquiring knowledge, transcending and ascending on a smooth flow that could go on forever, but then it fades out, letting you know that such ecstasy is just momentary, and we need to hop off that train, leave that party, land that plane, as you wish, and face again our daily life.
Then the void, the fear of going back to reality, hearing the voices of things that seem familiar but we can't quite rrecognize yet. It's up to you to freeze, or take small blind steps.
Then the guitar after the void, like a beacon of light telling you it'll be alright, that you can get rid of doubt and fear, and you start getting closer to the edge. Then you take the leap, it's a giant leap, but you feel sure, you know it'll be alright, you float, soar, dive, all at your will.
And at last, with the return of the lyrics you emerge back to reality, with a new and greater understanding of you and what surrounds you, and the music tells you "look, it is all the same, but you're not the same, you're wiser now, and you'll see everything still familiar but under a more clear light". And there you go on with your normal life, but now you're one with the sound, and you are one of the beckoning beeps, and see yourself in those others who went before you and those who will go after you, echoing on this light and state of calmness and peace that goes on and on...
This is the last song on Meddle. That rising note effect at the end is also used to introduce the first song on the album, One of These Days. I don’t know what it’s supposed to signify, if anything. But to me it always sounds like the wind blowing the music in and then, once they’ve accomplished what they set out to do, blowing it away again. You’ll find Pink Floyd links the beginning and ending sounds on many of their albums.
Wouldn't be the last time they considered the album as a circle of music. Witness the "Isn't this where / we came in." as the first thing and last thing you hear on the Wall.
Great pick! Thanks once again for producing this content. Would love to see more Swans, as it was my favourite discovery of 2021! A full album reaction would be great, as their music really rises to its full potential in that format.
Good reflections. The greatness of this band is that the musical ideas drive the soundscape and vice-versa. The relative simplicity of the conventional theory belies their musical and compositional sophistication. The ideas expand, cohere, and develop ACROSS the discography, from album to album but you have to identify them through familiarity and repeated listening. The 'sounds' often fluidly move from object to note motif and back. The simplicity of conventional musical elements facilitates this. The use of the familiar stylistic elements is the scaffolding. You need to listen to this again in silence so as not to miss the impact of background elements and how well integrated they are. "Bing" is a tape-prepared piano. Did you notice that it occurs down several octaves at the end of the 'void' section and is referenced in exact pitch on the organ in sustain at the peak of the jam section? They are able to invoke sonic memory triggers with great skill. "Bing" (as an event signifier motif) has been distilled from earlier use and appears and develops on later albums. All their use of sound is musically integral. In Sheep, the simple two-tone minor third dog whistle from side one, 'Dogs' is translated into a motif of descending diminished fading guitar chords along with the echoed repetition of the word 'stone'. This is dropped like a pebble into that key spot in the composition and the ripples echo out from it... Sonic object indeed. Musique Liquide. You are not supposed to hear a dog whistle - and it is actually hard to detect the clear motivic connection - so it is a musical pun. This is the idea of subliminal messaging in meta. - Brilliant! - ("Congratulations, you have just discovered the secret message." - "Empty Spaces", "The Wall") Floyd is deliberately very careful with its use of energetic sound and fury elements. They always have dynamic context. There is no empty sound and fury. They are the dancing wu-li masters of dispatching great intensity with nothing but a kick on 1 & 3, or a minimal suspended cymbal. Personally, I feel that the recap in "Echoes" comes out from the depths of a dark night of the soul journey that has penetrated past any false underpinnings of sanity. I am riding on the back of a powerful surfacing whale or beast emerging into a place of greater acceptance and understanding that my person, life, mind, and indeed all of existence is both more horrifying and more rich and beautiful than I knew before the journey... and that while we can share this understanding, the experience and path is ours alone and that we can only echo this to each other 'call to you across the skies'. Cosmic existential loneliness. This is Orpheus ascending with new wisdom. There are no other rock acts like them.
Great song and definitely underappreciated! Love to just let this track take me on a journey! Definitely inspired a lot of their later work
I think you ended the lyrics part close to what I understand from it, and mind you, I’ve done research, read and watched many things about this song, including an interview where Roger mentions how this song was the start of a thread that connected everything they did after. It’s about connections, human connections and empathy. Painting a timeless picture of the world that surrounds us, the words are sometimes painting that picture, sometimes more direct or more metaphorical. “I am you and what I see is me” is recognizing our own humanity in other people, making a connection and using it to communicate and help each other.
For me the void section is like how society and life can take us out of our own humanity, depression, disconnection, loneliness in a crowd. But the sounds slowly become recognizable again, bringing us back to our humanity, to music, to bright light that makes us function, and back to connections. With a final self determination to stay awake, open minded, aware and connected.
I could write about each line but this would be extremely long, thanks for the analysis and insights.
Your interpretation of the void section is great! I like how it relates back to everything they're talking about in the lyrics while also being quite resonant today.
yeah that void interpretation is quite good!
Yeah, the void is the scary lonely place without human interaction; many claim it is too long, but it's meant to create a feeling of desperation, which is resolved in the latter sections.
This song was the soundtrack of my discovery of the guitar. I spent so much time jamming to this song that it effectively was my teacher.
I learnt how to sound bluesy and be thoughtful instead of throwing a stream of consciousness at the idea of a solo. I learnt that backing guitar can be something other than chords. I learnt that repetition deepens the mood. I learnt that less is more even when your song is 23 minutes long.
I don't think we'll see anything quite like this again. Music has become a somewhat risk-free environment that punishes this kind of creativity. But there are still some artists that manage to buck the trend somewhat in this direction and it's what I'm constantly in search of. But part of the joy is also in finding such a rare gem :)
For that "run" you just have to remember it was pinched by Andrew Loyd Webber for the stage show "The Phantom of the Opera" 😉
So glad you did this track!
Also from the same album you might want to check out the mostly instrumental "One of these days" 😉
The sound at the end of the song is called a Shepard tone, named after Roger Shepard. The auditory illusion can be either an ascending or descending pitch.
I think you will be very amazed with Bill Cobham. Jazz Fusion at it's finest. Try "Sea of Tranquility" from the Total Eclipse album.
I think the chirps is actually just piano played through a leslie speaker and binson echorec. I love how the middle section doesn't have it as though communication and like the listener is lost and then it pings like sonar like you (the listener) find your way again. IDK its always how i feel listening to this.
Wonderful interpretation of that moment! Even if they didn't intend that I'd like to think it's the de facto reading of that section.
GOAT song for me, hands down
First time i ever took LSD...after a couple of hours, couldn't stand it anymore...went to bed and put Echoes on...Let me tell you ...what a trip...Those were the good old days...
Finally - a review worthy of this MASTERPIECE!!!! Thank you for this.
Whoa! Thanks for the compliment.
This was a time in the '70's when bands could experiment and fill 20 odd minutes of an LP side and create amazing music like Pink Floyd and others
Correct. At that time record companies were finding that the public would pay for very experimental music. They had no idea what to do with it, it couldn't be put out on 45rpm singles, or played in short clips on the radio, but people loved it. So bands were just left alone to try stuff and if it sold they'd get another contract.
There was a lot of crazy experimentation going on, most of it is lost. But to get the context of all this music we think is amazing these days, you have to listen to the stuff that was lost and forgotten. A lot of it would sound incredible these days. E.g. Family "Music in a Dolls House", brilliant stuff, but it came out at the same time as other brilliant stuff and got lost in the rush.
The ambient middle section makes me think of wolves or coyotes howling to each other in the foggy darkness of the woods, which is a form of echoing communication that seems consistent with the theme.
The chirp is a Steinway hooked up to a Leslie rotating speaker
This album itself was a bold and confident effort. The songs are different from each other and all have an ethereal feel to them.
As a schoolboy, I bought Ummagumma on the weight of the grooviness of the album cover, and was duly transformed into a difference engine. Yes, Herman Hollerith's precursor to the computer notwithstanding, I was, from that day forward, transfixed by the notion of music as a mining expedition for the imagination, into a being who sought only the strange. The only aphrodisiac was strange, and Echoes was waiting just around the corner...with gifted cousins bearing dreams.
Andrew Lloyd Webber based a whole musical on that bass riff …. I introduced the band on an early preview of this album so it has a special place in my heart.
My very favorite song. I told my husband to please play it for me on my deathbed.
Echoes is my absolute favorite Floyd song. They don't get enough credit for how innovative they were on all their albums but this song really shows it!
Very good, i like your analyse 👍
The story for the squawking, squealing sounds was the guitar plugged into a wah pedal the wrong way around. In the middle of of the sea. Meant to sound like seabirds, the bass being played with a slide for effects rather than melody. Maybe waves of the sea.
SO, you should check the “Last Performance of Echoes” 50 years later with the guitar and keys players. Gilmour and Wright. With modern tech and variations on the riffs, fills, play and response built out naturally over years of friends and musicians.
If you want to see the "Metal" side of Pink Floyd, THIS album, the first track "One of these days"... From 1971, it's still a reference for many metal musicians I know.
Always seemed like the story of all life starting in the deep ocean, with the extensive time before humans, then the brief triumph of man. Finally rising to the end of mans time on this earth.
With the message that while we are here we should be sympathetic and welcoming towards each other. We should remember we are ALL related, we are ALL family.
And for me that middle section represents the billions of years of early land lifeforms, birds and pre-humans.
But I think its more important that Pink Floyd made your mind go off down your own individual weirdness without you needing to use any chemical enhancement 😎
You don't need drugs to do Pink Floyd
But some say
You need Pink Floyd to do drugs 🤣
such a nice and soothing way of seeing it... very well put
Andrew Lloyd Webber stole that downward progression for Phantom of the Opera. This was 15 years earlier.
React to Pink Floyd's - Atom Heart Mother Suite.
yes god damn it!
however i could never find any translation of those unknown-origin lyrics!!
The "ping" sound is a piano note put through an echo box (or whatever the technical name is).
through a leslie speaker for hammond organ
@@viniciobusani But of course! :)
Please check out “Sorrow” and “Comfortably Numb” from the 1994 Pulse album.
The "chirping" sound is a piano, recorded through a rotating microphone in an organ I believe? I don't know anything about the technicalities there, but they talk about in a documentary about the Meddle album that is up on youtube (The Lost Pink Floyd album, or somesuch). Allegedly they didn't have much of a plan when they entered the studio to record this album, and they started out recording kitchen utensils and a lot of weird stuff, for inspiration. This chirp was one of those, and fuelled the creation of this song. Which was the first one they wrote for the album.
it's a Leslie speaker
@@jimangela4589 Yeah that sounds right!
That's wild! I love hearing about these innovative production ideas during the analog age of recording.
Big fan, and shocked you had never heard Echoes before. Have you ever considered releasing audio versions of your recordings as podcasts so one can listen while driving? Thanks!
You asked about what were their influences might be.... As an old guy from the UK who grew up in the '60's I can assure you that Pink Floyd were a band on their own... If anything they influenced others... and as for the blues, there was a huge blues boom in the UK during the '60's and any British guitarist of note grew up with that and has a blues influence in their playing... Don't forget Jimi Hendrix blew into Britain and became a guitarist of note in amongst all this before he became big in America... Even The Beatles played blues.
Personally I would've have picked this as a "deep cut." It may not be the most popular Floyd but it's far from obscure, regularly featuring in their live shows and is generally one of their most critically acclaimed tracks. In terms of Floyd's career this was really the transitional song/album from their early psychedelic pop/rock period into their late space/art/prog rock period. I've also often said that Floyd (and tracks like this in particular) really demonstrate how they were arguably the first "post-rock" band, perhaps not literally but in the sense that all the elements we think of as post-rock (the slow burns, the focus on atmosphere and texture, etc.) was very much a part of their sound. Though you can still hear echoes (hehe) of Beatles-esque psychedelia here, especially in the vocal melodies and some of the more elaborate guitar lines. Personally, I've always felt Floyd bettered this template in their later epics, but there's still a wealth of interesting (and really great in isolation) ideas here, but I've never felt it all quite cohered as well as their later masterpieces.
BTW, your "magic trick" analogy is one I've used myself many times. To me, the best works of art (in any medium) tends to be those that even once you figure out the "magic trick" they don't lose their capacity to awe you.
YES! Songs where the understanding grows the appreciation, where even subtle ideas begin to make a smile start on your face because you know the nuance to create it.
Finally more pink floyd fuck yes 🤘🏻
Yes, the fade-out is the "ever-rising note" illusion
Shepard's tone.
24:00 Shepard tone... or Risset... or Shepard-Risset glissando
ping sound is keys. apparently Richard Wright did it once, they tried to do it again but couldn't so they used the initial ping they "accidentally" found
I really enjoyed this analysis. Just really good stuff!
first time I heard this was on a reel to reel in 1972, it was a trip. it still is.
Pink Floyd were masters at starting with chaos and developing a tune out of it. Equally, they could craft the most beautiful music and gradually tear it down into the most gawdawful chaos imaginable.
Yes, that apparently constantly rising note is a well.known acoustical illusion. Very cool by Pink Floyd to use this effect.
You should react to "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers" by Van der Graaf Generator from their album "Pawn Hearts", which came out a month before Pink Floyd's "Meddle". Another very experimental 23 minutes song about a lighthouse keeper becoming crazy from all the shipwrecks he has to see. It has a passage where two ships collide in the fog (you can hear the two different foghorns getting closer to each other and then the collision). The song is extremely experimental with some really wild and chaotic passages.
It’s a slide guitar. And this was from 1972, so there were almost zero digital modulators. They had huge analogue synth modules, though!
one of the main aspects in floydmusic is to listen to the lyrics. watch the same song "live at pompeii 1972" 🙂
Peter Crawford is a California surfer and film maker who asked Pink Floyd for the rights to use Echoes in his surf film Crystal Voyager, soon after the album was released. In the film section the entire 23 minutes is devoted to slow motion ultra wide angle tube riding sequences . It's well worth a check out even though the analog film stock Crawford uses is quite grainy by todays standards.
The piece for me has always been the from the prelude to the end a journey from sonar aquatic scapes to heavy involvement, to claustrophobic deep ocean alienation and finally release and rescue to the surface...kinda like a journey from innocent acquaintance to deep and sometimes dark entanglement culminating in a return to a place of relief but somehow changed.
The rest of the album varies from bombastic vocal and sound sound assaults, heavy rhythms to deconstructed and reconstituted (from previous tracks) into stock but light blues, soft atmospheres and whimsical drifting ballads.
I'd have to say bands like Yes, King Krimson and Uriah Heap were already experimenting with atmospheric elongated classical and progressive styles and themes in and around the time of Meddle.
Pink Floyd kept very interesting musical company in their early days. The scene they were associated with at first was even more psychedelic and free-form than their American counterparts. One band that helped push them more in that direction was AMM, which were free improvisation. This eagerness to experiment would put them with other experimental types from Captain Beefheart to Frank Zappa to Soft Machine and others.
But what I always find interesting about Pink Floyd is they were not above conventional forms either. Waters, Gilmour and Wright exercised their songwriting chops after Syd Barrett in various ways. But in each effort, the songs became something that only they could devise. And this is what makes them interesting. And this definitely culminated in The Dark Side of the Moon where it can be called the most popular experimental album ever =]
And yes, Echoes was the key stepping stone for this. This was also a culmination of what they were developing for the past three years: long-form jam with strong ideas and a good flow through the whole thing.
About the chirping sound, you’re right, it is a guitar: “The middle section of the song features Waters using a slide and a Binson Echorec. Gilmour plays a high-pitched screeching noise, which was created by plugging a wah-wah pedal in back to front. Drummer Nick Mason later clarified it was an accident, and their experience with working with Ron Geesin had taught them to embrace experiments and try anything if it would work on a song” -wikipedia
The ever-raising note effect you pointed out can be also found at the end of Queen song Teo Torriate, the closing track of the A Day At The Races album. And you’re right, that cognitive dissonance element is definitely there at least for me; VERY cool.
Oh no, they were absolutely pioneering that sonoristic aspect in rock, this was totally groundbreaking.
“Overhead the albatross
Hangs motionless upon the air
And deep beneath the rolling waves
In labyrinths of coral caves
The echo of a distant time
Comes willowing across the sand
And everything is green and submarine”
I think that’s pretty much the fit for the wailing section you were wondering about. It does literally refers to the very distant past when life was forming and evolving.
yeah i think the space chirp sound is just the highest note on a guitar with a ton of reverb with some echo
@@SpeedOfThought1111 The exact explanation is on my first comment; it’s achieved by plugging the guitar to way-wah pedal back to front. If I remember correctly David doesn’t even touch the fretboard, just modulates the sound through one the guitar’s control knobs.
I would say watch the live version that the band did in Pompeii.... In 1971..!!!! And you can watch Dave as he gets those screams and seagull noises from his guitar... And all the other stuff of course... now you know the piece you need to watch the live version... It's different... but the same.. This track is the essence of what Pink Floyd are all about.... Giving the music space.... I like the analogy to a rainy city scape. I'm so old I bought the album when it came out.. and it was in a gatefold sleeve so you don't get the full image on the CD.. but when you unfolded the sleeve the front and back showed you an ear under water... you can see the ripples of drops of water on the bottom edge...... And the first note we hear on the piano is like a sonar echo underwater..... Keep on Rocking
Re the start..... with no apparent set timing to the “echoes”
It fits perfectly to the video of Live at Pompeii.
The video intro gives it meaning and purpose.
...The scary Scream/Laugh sound effect also reappears 8 Years later on "The Wall" album in the song "Is There Anybody Out There?"...
Beautiful song
12:00 those r prob just synths. Does Wright do these sounds?
The thing about music is what the story means to you.
Personally,I go for the feel of the music,the words are secondary to me the music is the story for me.
There's that run again as you said stolen by Andrew Lloyd Webber of course for his Phantom of the Opera score! Or should I say Rodger Waters Phantom of the Opera score?? Waters actually thought of suing him but he decided it would have been too much trouble!
At the end you have David Gilmour with his guitar and Rick Wright with the keyboards having a conversation musically saying goodbye to one another....
If you haven't already, you should check out Alan Parsons Project, he was an audio engineer for Pink Floyd and he and his band did some phenomenal stuff.
If you want psychedelic Floyd, then listen to Ummagumma.
David Gilmour described their music as "a journey"... that sometimes lifts you up and carries you along and others that you have to lean into, that pushes you up.
Pink Floyd was one of those bands that insisted that what you got from the studio could be done live during a concert, so they didn't do much in "mixing/studio magic".
imo ummagumma is not psychedelia, most tracks are masterfully and very carefully orchestrated 😎
On vinyl, Meddle's A side is the first 5 tracks and side B is just Echoes haha - Also fun fact, the cover artwork is a rotated close-up of an ear underneath water ripples
Just loves Nick kit in this. Its like hes right in the room with you..and his snare sound is still one of the best sounding snares in music.
The first verse of singing comes in at like 4 minutes lol. I think you were talking over it.
Might have been, might have just forgotten it too. 20 minutes of dense music is tough to keep in complete order for an hour :)
@@CriticalReactions Lol right. Keep up the good work man. Love your demeanor. Very calming presence.
Great Reaction and Analysis 💯 I❤ Pink Floyd sooooo much!
I think this 1971 release also demonstrated great mood and musical architecture. Thank you for sharing your interesting thoughts - liked.
Echoes was a result of Roger Waters getting hugely influenced by a south Asian poet from Pakistan by the name of Iqbal. Poetry of Iqbal inspired the space exploration of musicality like Echoes, Set the Control to the heart of the Sun, Astronimo Domine, Inter stellar overdrive and the return of the son of nothing.
Please see the attached documentary on Echoes that will give you some perspective on the Echoes project of Pink Floyd. Hopefully this will add a dimension to your analysis
ruclips.net/video/U8LCqosoYsU/видео.html
They eerie atmospheric section in the middle was used many times for spook houses back when I was a kid. I know my local AOR station used it to advertise Halloween themed stuff.
Pink Floyd is probably the most experimental of all the British prog rock bands.
🎼Masterpiece🎼
This song is etched in my memory. Best song.
Highly recommend checking out Atom Heart Mother, the title track from their 1969 album. It’s a 24 minute instrumental with a live orchestra incorporated heavily. Definitely some very psychedelic Pink Floyd
probably on my top 6-7 pf tracks.
however, it's definitely not psychedelic, everything on it is masterfully organized, orchestrated and performed. same applies to echoes. might be closer to prog but still, not quite prog. it's a genre of its own.
ummagumma was not psychedelic either. everything before that was though.
i fully understand why you include it in that genre, it's the pf effect. 🙃
Check out the live version from Pompeii. Very interesting and intense!
The Greatest band ever...
Pink Floyd is not afraid to take their time. And I don't think there's a wasted second in this song.
Good Job on the lyric breakdown. It's also about evolution and the sun. Everythings done under the sun.
but the sun is eclipsed by the moon
I'd say that they had supreme confidence in their Fans acceptance....they knew we'd soak it up like sponges! We're not your average listener 😵💫
This album came out less than a year after _Songs of the Humpback Whale_ became the first nature recording to go gold. I believe it was almost certainly an influence on this.
As for the meaning of the lyrics.... My take is that it's about the human species coming out of the primordial water... If you read evolution theory supposedly we started as fish who began to climb out of the water and then started to walk etc, etc.. that's the start lyrics and then the rest is about us now and how we should talk more... a perennial theme really. Simplistic yes, but my take.. as for the music, listen to it as if it's referencing water... so many water based ideas I feel... Sorry this is my third comment but I felt your detailed analysis deserved them... even if they are waffle... At least it's my waffle. Keep on Rocking.
Have a look at the Rime of the Ancient Mariner by Samuel Taylor-Coleridge re the albatross lyric.
Wrt the odd note that you couldn't place how it was made, look for a video titled _"David Gilmour and Rick Wright - Talking about Echoes piano intro"_.
Since I’m not going to scroll through all the comments:
The “screams” in the middle of the song are made using a guitar plugged into a wah pedal “backwards” in the signal chain.
Best to view Pink Floyd as 2 different bands.
Band 1). With Syd
Band 2) With David Gilmour
Band 1) Could not copy other bands because they could not play their chosen instruments.
They developed a style of elongated single notes and simple slow music ideas.
Band 2) Enter Gilmour the musician and singer and the other band members were learning to play......
A totally different band still playing slow long notes, but very differently.
not true, have always been great musicians, especially Rick Wright
@@viniciobusani
REALLY ?
So Roger Waters was constantly lying to reporters and interviewers when he often explained how and why they developed their own sound and style .....by elongation of one solitary note.
Do ya homework.
@@Rassskle Absolutely, Syd Barrett was a fantastic songwriter of super original 3-minute psychedelic pop tracks. From the very first album, they were all incredible musicians and arrangers, with a very clear idea of their sound and style. They used effects in a way no one had before, with great use of dynamics and modal and jazzy instrumental sections. They were also really strong in studio production. Have you ever heard the mono version of The Piper? They say Barrett was directly involved in that mix (while the stereo version was mixed without the Floyd being present in the studio). These aren’t things you can do if you're just learning how to play.
@@viniciobusani
You have absolutely no knowledge about the truth and facts......your living in la la land.
Roger admitted the truth in many interviews.
Do your homework !!!
@@Rassskle Do you have ears? Listen to the records... I can't believe I have to waste time explaining the obvious to someone, which is that Pink Floyd are amazing musicians. Enjoy your fanzine bullshits
The original heavy and hard rock from 1960’s England was from a very diverse musical background.
Most musicians involved were rooted in blues and or jazz.... blues guitarists and jazz drummers.
Most of the great singers were jazz singers.
AND YET......almost half of them started out in Skiffle bands. lol
You figured out what lyrics meant exactly. It's about humanity coming together and the echoes from the past.. Musically I feel it tells the tale of the journey of life. How we rise and can fall and go through dark times. Just to rise up again with all your accumulated knowledge...the very end feels like death to me