Domestic Dispute Turns Deadly: First Person Defender | S7 E7
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- In this episode: A man is caught off guard as a domestic dispute unfolds near him. #SelfDefenseSaturday #FirstPersonDefender
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She's just gonna be back with him the next week. Definitely stay out of it.
Big Inward 😂😂😂😂
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No way in hell am I getting involved with anyone’s bs.
That is my advice too. Years ago, I stopped my neighbor from beating his wife in his front yard. He normally beat her in the house, but decided to do it in his front yard that day. Right beside the drive we shared. As soon as I approached and told him to quit, she gets up off the ground and gets in my face, telling me to mind my own business! I told them it was my business if they did it in front of my kids. I told them I didn't care what they did, just do it out of sight from my kids. Next day, I pull in the drive and he runs off his porch, toward my truck, hollering he was going to kil me. I pulled a 45 auto I always carried. He got to my truck door- seen my pistol in my hand and decided to be my buddy. Said he was sorry, he was having a bad day. I told him it about got a lot worse. The police were waiting for me in my drive the next afternoon. His wife, that I saved from a beating, had called for me pulling my gun the day before. They heard my story and said I was legal in pulling my gun on him. He was a known wife beater and always in trouble. But it isn't over yet! Next morning, I hear bikes pulling up. I look out. This idiot has called 3 friends in. He and them are standing by my truck. I grabbed my 45 and walked out to go to work. He starts cussing me and ask if I got my gun. I said "Yeah, sure do!" and patted my back. His buddies backed off real fast, hollering they didn't want any trouble. He quickly changed his tone when they retreated. So I left for work. No more trouble after that, luckily. He calmed down. Never even beat her in the yard lol. But that is what happens when you step into a domestic. I would highly recommend no one do it.
True but when someone pulls a gun you are now in danger therefore involved. You dont always get a choice.
Yah, because when you do, you run a very high risk of the LIBTURD District Attorney dishing you up some unjustified "justice" The amount of "justice" you receive, is the amount of justice you can afford ...
Just like 90% of the world
When I feel the itch to get involved I tell myself- This isn't the first time she's been beaten and it won't be the last- because she chooses to be with the monster. He probably reminds her of her dad.
As a gun permit holder, unless imminent harm to my family or myself you don't get involved.
agreed
But want if you wanted help from your bf cuz is absive so YOU R WRONG
In many states you have the legal right to use lethal force to protect yourself and OTHERS. There is no way in hell I will stand back and watch and innocent life be taken knowing I could’ve done something, repercussions be damned.
@@kennyphelps1160 I agree with you, but i have obligations for my family first. I will do what i can second.
@@kennyphelps1160 if all variables can be seen sure I agree. Second shooter for example, check out Active Self Protection here on RUclips. Several instances where a 3rd party attempts to help but a unseen 2nd shooter was near by and killed the concealed carry good guy. Statistically speaking, unless you're in the perfect situation and see everything as it goes down. We're better off being a good alive witness.
By the time the guy with the green shirt withraw his firearm i had enough time to make myself a turkey sandwhich
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srt hellcat lmfao
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Spike Solas 🤣
Hell i can serve everyone there ribs before he takes out his firearm lol
This guy's first response was the proper and only response. NEVER EVER get involved in 3rd party issues. Instead, exit the transitional space, call 911, and be a good witness. Getting out of the danger zone is your #1 priority and this guy did that in the first scenario. I love your channel but I think you guys are really doling out bad information in these scenarios. For starters, the doctrine of "Self-Defense" is clearly in question when inserting yourself in other people's business. I understand the concepts of self-defense and defense of others are closely related, but in the second scenario the armed defender is clearly opening himself up to legal issues by getting involved at all.
The only thing he could have done better was change position quicker, but his actual response was the proper one I agree. If the guy shot her and didnt shoot himself and instead was hunting others, thats when you drop him.
once you notice the gun it becomes your business. you don't know if he's gonna go after anyone in the area.
Getting away is 1st priority. Dude has a Polish hostage he's unstable and next person he's got that gun on is her then you. Why didn't she hide behind anything? Also more authority and bass in your voice works wonders.
Well let’s just hope that it’s not your wife your children in danger and someone uses your philosophy. In fact, show this scenario to your wife and children and then spit that nonsense out to them.
@@davidca96 what about before he attacks others? Then he's a murderer and you'll know for sure you're in the clear to fire
so you shoot him and save her, the cops come and she says you murdered him.
I personally am not getting involved in any domestic or any situation like an active shooter. My gun is for my defense. No one is going to step up and pay my potential legal fees or even do my time if the legal system goes full stupid and finds me at fault. In this situation I’m minding y own business and probably going inside the restaurant. I’m taking no part in anything. I have a lot of training with weapons and tactics- hold many certifications and have experience, but the way the legal system works at times the bad guy becomes the victim and your the bad guy. Not worth risking my life, my financial well being, or my freedom
yup.
Cant do nothing but respect this statement
This is where I am at. I think more people who carry need to think about this ahead of time.
I was nearly attacked and am going through being charged with 3 felonies. Just like you said, the bad guy is the victim and I'm the bad guy with a gun. The legal system is not working for the good guys. It only helps the bad guy. In my case he's a multi convicted felon and was on drugs looking for a fight. All I was doing was walking in a store to buy a Coke. Wrong place at the wrong time. Cops don't want anyone carrying a gun but them.
Jim The Barbarian
Exactly why I’m not helping anyone with anything more than ringing 911. It isn’t the responsibility of a gun owner to protect others, it isn’t even the responsibility of law enforcement anymore. If I have to use my firearms it’s for me and my family that’s the only people I’ll do time for. Everyone one else get licensed and carry or good luck
Also, don't white knight and ask a woman, "Ma'am are you ok?" Psychology 101, you are confirming that they are making a scene and that can cause an escalation. Men who try to white knight another man's girlfriend or wife when they are arguing, from a primitive perspective, are essentially moving on another man's territory. I say this loosely as I realize women are not property.
Just don't say anything. She or he are grown people and do not need strangers to comfort them further making them feel embarrassed.
Don't interfere.
I thought this was gonna be real footage not training scenarios
Me too🤣
Lol I new it was a senario
Honestly, he did fine in the first scenario. The events happened too fast, and he was doing the right thing. Call 911 and be the best witness you can be. If things don't escalate that fast, then you get the option to think about being the Big Damn Hero. (BDH is not a good thing, don't make the mistake to seeking to be one. Better to be the reluctant hero than the guy who goes into the fire looking for glory.)
Default is to be a good witness and keep your weapon stowed until you have no choice but to do something.
Exactly. That's reality
He should have had his firearm out either way
Let's change the scenario a little. Your at that same table with your family. Your children don't follow your instructions in the house much less in a high stress situation. If a weapon is presented in front of you. You are instantly involved.
Absolutely accurate!
Get that house in order
A guy that angry is gonna put 7 rounds in you before you get out 1. You should do a "what happens when they shoot first" scenario.
Lol dude in green just ignoring the camera crew like it’s a normal day xD cracks me up
In the first scenario I believe he did everything right. The only thing he could of done would to administer a trauma type of first aid to the woman.
That and a faster draw time, he's really gotta work on that
Dont say a word. If they are a deadly threat, neutralize it dont try to deescalate it. We arent law enforcement, we are last second defense. I wouldnt give someone the opportunity to turn the gun on me by announcing myself. If you have the drop on them, take them out.
This instructor is a bona-fide hero!!!!😆✌️
Straight up!!!
After the whole lunch scenario, my first reaction would have been. So do I still have to pay for my food ? Is it free? Those are the most important questions to ask after 😂😂
"Ive been thru a traumatic event, id like my meal free" 🙆😂
I definitely have to say injecting himself into the situation was the wrong move with today’s society! His initial action was spot on...be an amazing witness no matter how you feel it’s better to be that woman’s best witness rather than being that mans next victim possibly
Great scenarios! Real world situation with real world decisions to make...
one of the best episodes yet , nice work team
First mistake . Stay out of someone's business. Call 911 . Stay out of it
Girl: Im done - you know it's about to be bad when this phase comes out.
Good video. Thank you!
I would love to do this experience... simulated obviously
more of this scenario. please.
knowledge from different first person emotions.
this plot pulls on should or shouldn't ...
This show is amazing, and we need more of this for the public.
In the second similar situation, it would seem that a LEO would have stopped the threat by firing at least once the moment the man took his gun out of his waste. By the time the man presents his gun from his waist and points it, it would seem that it's too late to have decided whether to shoot him or not. I think this would also apply to civilians, not just police.
I love FPD!!! PLEASE KEEP MAKING THESE!
Great info guys!!!! I think we definitely need more training like this to supplement the range time we go through. I think the gentleman acted appropriately. He had engaged with the shooter, the shooter would set his sights at him.
The only thing I would do different, in his first situation, was:
1: Once the gun comes out, DROP THE PHONE! (clear your hands!) Have both hands on your firearm.
2: While on phone, give address of place FIRST. Description of male SECOND, situation as it happens THIRD. This gets police rolling to address, and gives detail of who they're looking for FIRST, before everything else goes pear shaped.
3: Once boyfriend is down, (and verified no longer a threat), HOLSTER YOUR WEAPON! Don't want the police to show up, and you're standing there with a gun, and two people down...
Other than those niggling details, I think his initial response was perfectly adequate/acceptable.
(*Watches second half of cid*)
Nooo!! NOOOO!!! Why would he move to a 'position of advantage'? He's not law enforcement, and he's not security!
Getting to concealment/cover is PARAMOUNT! If the guy isn't initially coming for HIM, he's well advised to clear out! Yelling at the guy, while not behind cover/concealment, means he's going to NOW be the focus of that unwanted attention!
Next, he shoots the guy, THEN LETS THE NOW GRIEVING WOMAN DROP BEHIND HIM?!?! Noooo!!! GAWD NO!!
She too, must be considered part of the threat! Keep her in view too!!
The ONLY time I'd recommend getting directly involved, is should he have turned his attention to OTHER innocents.
I love your videos, but my humble opinion is, this one is giving bad advice.
Those are actors are really good
Sterling Archer that was the poorest and fake arguing I’ve ever heard. Just listening could tell it’s fake.
I watched the whole thing the only thing thay scares me when i go to court am i at the right that's scares me.
That don't scare me. What scares me is the percieved threat through the jury. The Jury will know everything that the defender doesn't know
Forget about all that, just be a good and moral person and only use force when your life or the lives of yours are in danger and whatever happens in the legal system at least you’ll know you were in the right and you’ll be ALIVE.
If people are arguing like that, I would ask to move tables. Maybe even choose to go somewhere else. Especially if I got my family with me. I will protect them first. If there is a situation with people arguing and fighting, I am removing myself from that situation. Just because you are armed does not mean you should get involved in other people’s problems.
You should always help a person in need,
But if your like me and have a ccdw license or a ccw license then your are to protect yourself your family and others around you. And if you don't pack then yes get away from the problem cause there is people out there that would give there life for yours.
What happens when the wife clubs or shoots the 3rd party? Because you shot her husband/boyfriend?
I think about these situations often where the firearm is not pointed at me but towards another innocent individual(s). So many factors to considers in so little time before you draw your firearm.
He did great. I was trained to use my gun as a tool to evacuate any dangerous situations (with my family if applicable) and it will stay that way. I would love to save her but would not be my number 1 priority.
These videos deserve way more views on RUclips! We need to do a better job at sharing these types of videos.
WOW! What a great video showing how quick things can go wrong and how little time you have to react before it’s too late. Great recap at end of scenarios talking about where we can improve not only our situational awareness but to get out our firearm the second we see another threat with one. Looking forward to your other videos!
I love this :) Wife an i found this and can't stop watching. Thank you for sharing
These videos are amazing!
Problems for me- 1st scenario: No way am I staying in that chair! It impedes my mobility. As soon as I see his gun; I'm pulling mine and getting it on target. 2nd scenario: As assailant is already pointing his weapon I am not going to tell him to "stop" or "put it down"; I'm going to shoot him. Earlier I would have taken his verbal threat "I'll show you how crazy I can be" more seriously and start distancing myself from his chick. I'd want to get more sideways from her but not much room on the porch so I would have probably backed up. So true about a guy's girlfriend you try to protect turning on you! I've seen it happen minus guns. I go to DC every year for a few months and most of the time I see one incident of a man choking a woman. I've seen guys pull out big kitchen blades and threaten to kill. I've been theatened every time as well. The last time twice and one of them was White (a first for me since high school)! He had dreads which is a red flag for me. Either they're really laid back or agro. Being able to discriminate is key for me. Their color, sex, clothes they wear, body language and how they talk. I have several Black friends there but none act gangster. I've been held up at gun point (Miami) and I lucked out as the man was older, experienced and not whacked out on drugs. Anyway I'm not a professional but I have a little experience. These practice scenarios seem so important and I hope to try some with my friends. Great video!
first-ex ill be honest, not much else he could have done. i'd say that was 10/10
As long as I have my grenade launcher, hell ya I get involved!
Its a shame we all have to live life in caution
Who wants to play a game of paint ball gun fight
Lots of people are talking about not getting involved in domestic situations. Realize that in public areas if the agressor has a weapon he is a danger to the victim, those around the victim, those behind the victim and potentially more people after that. Your right to carry is to preserve life not just your own. Now i say this in a public setting , dont go in peoples houses to settle others disputes. If you're worried about legalities and costs then get training on situational decision making to better your case and get concealed carry insurance.
Wow..civilians don't wana intervene when there's potential violence domestic but will say god bless the troops for doing it every day in a whole different country in the name of our protection! Got to love America.
Me, when he flipped in the truck, I grab my family and get out of dodge. Any others on the porch I tell them on the way out.
I just discovered this channel today for the first time. Immediate subscribe.
This is the strangest Ruger/Kimber commercial I've ever seen
this really helps 💯👌🏾#SafeAmerica #SelfDefense
In the second one do you have to be like put the gun down or can you just drop the man 😂
You guys need to come to the studio and have my shows ready and thats the end of the story. 😆
Calling 911 was a mistake. How can calling 911 help at that moment? 1. The police will not get there in time to help the situation. 2. You being involved in the shooting are at risk when the police do arrive. In today's environment cops are unstable, you never know what kind of cop will arrive on the scene. You will generally deal with two types of cops, a crazed authoritarian cop or a stable well balanced cop. It's a crap shoot, literally. Tell the intended victim to vacate and then remove yourself from the situation. If you are left with no choice but to defend yourself then you do what is necessary to defend your life.
It's for your story and safety and others around you, see this is why people don't need to just open carry cause they know nothing about gun safety and how to protect there self and others.
Shane Rodgers the fact remains to own and carry is a God given right that man cannot infringe upon. The Constitution upholds and protects this right without question. Every man and woman own the right to defend themselves with whatever weapon or weapons they choose. I do think folks who are new to any weapon should train but it is not you, I or the government's place to impose requirements, illegal laws, regulations, ordinances or policies in anyway, period.
He got off the X. She wasn’t concerned for her own safety as well. I think he did the right thing. Should have drawn earlier. But other than that save yourself. You aren’t a cop and she wasn’t looking for help.
that was actually a great idea the bullet I'm not big on laser pointers because one you're giving away your position because I'll just shoot the light most likely you're behind it but you shouldn't have to have a laser beam they had something if that's the case then go practice
God rest her soul.
Wow - intense...!
I don’t think people should be getting involved in other people’s bs. Even if you shot that guy and saved her, she is gonna cry to the police and say you killed her bf and then you got 25 to life thinking “I shoulda walked away”
yes I understand what you're saying after the fact but you have to get yourself into a safe situation so you don't get shot but I do see your only mistake was not to pull your weapon faster as I dial 911 and seeing the guy come out of the car with a gun to his head I would have had my gun out already tell the guy to drop his because I have a gun that could have invented the whole situation of him shooting why you screaming I will shoot drop the gun
im not getting involved with that only to find out she was the one constantly putting a non stable idiot on edge with verbal abuse
I am thankful for a program like yours. It is very thoughtfully put together. Unlike many gun channels that promote bravado without practical scenario’s and thoughtful critique. You guys provide a great service. When I was in law enforcement, the most mentally stressful calls were domestic disputes. You very correctly stated that you need to be mindful that the person you are trying to defend could become your next threat. Keep up the Great work.
Yea I dont know if I would of intervened, but I certainly wouldn't want someone to get killed if I could of done something without putting myself in extreme danger. The fact that I was there he could of also tried to shoot me and everyone else. Great video those situations are very prevalent
Imagine driving bye and seeing a bunch of dudes in paintball masks at a table
You can see in a couple of the shots the police vehicles cordoning off the area. ;)
I don't have my care concealed license but in that situationI would have definitely got on the phone like he did and I would tell dispatch I have my carry concealed license and he has a gun and as soon as he shot flower beds that's when I would have ended that situation
Yeah I would have hid in the threshold of the door too knowing I was carrying
Time to think is before you even sit down to eat. Upon arrival and room change, every person change. Not after it's over.
This was a good video, something to think about,, do we get involved be a good witness ? I would have asked my friends to take video and to make the call to 911 and concentrate on the situation and not multitasking.
Yo not going to lie this shit got me intrigued. I'm only 16 too and ive seen this happen irl except I was a ways away on safety. Still get nightmares
The woman sees you aiming at her boyfriend, draws her gun and shoots at you because you were going to kill the love of her life
I have a good question if anybody knows the answer I would really appreciate a comment what happens if this scenario happens and the guy in the green shirt actually shoots and kills the guy with the gun and then finds out the gun is empty that he was trying to scare his wife or girlfriend
Joseph Malinowski imminent threat situation. You would have no way or knowing. Only thing you should do is clear the area and in this case get her out of there as well. She is to stupid to walk away.
4:16 he shot below the bushes
These training scenarios are so incredibly informative and good for self defenders. Thank you for the time you take to educate.
The only thing I would of done differently is not wearing that ugly green shirt 🤢
For legal purposes a deep assessment has to be taken if you're not the target. He got his party out of the way which is the priority. Had he shot him she probably would've sued.
Im interested in doing training like this as I’m sure many people are. When/where could I do this type of training. Beyond sim round training but also scenario based training I also live in Virginia
Search force-on-force training to find a class
Acting 10/10
My guess is all these people coming out of hibernation and quarantine there is going to be some pent-up energy that'll be going in the wrong direction especially if somebody doesn't wear a mask or coughs or sneezes after sitting around a month or two in quarantine they'll be some people going off
And all those people that just bought all them weapons that didn't own one before
The very first scenario in this video..
Drawing your weapon would have did nothing but accelerate to a firefight...
The distraught individual in the altercation had no interest in life preservation...
On top of being extremely emotional....
That is a "lose lose" for the very first scenario...
My main idea everyday while I carry my weapon is to do my best to prevent loss of life...
Now I know that sounds a bit naive..
Which is probably a huge negative on my part...
As a gun I DO NOT involve myself in someone's personal problems. It's to protect myself and others. But when someone is having problems, I do not involve myself unless it gets violent. (Hands on) Alway assess the situation before you before assuming and involving yourself
These comments... not that I don't understand, it's just the fact most people would keep out of problem situations just bc it doesn't directly affect you or family is just crazy to me. I get being a good samaritan has risk of injury and legal issues, but refusing to get involved means you should expect nobody to help your friends and family either. What if it was your sister or daughter who is with a guy off his rocker and he started beating the shit out of them? Or pulled a gun on her? You want someone to just sit there and watch? What if your brother or son was on a date and a crazy ex jumps him or pulled a gun? Just say fuck it and hope they can get out of it alive at best?
Just like the cop that turns his/her back on another cop doing wrong. Or the neighbor refuses to cooperate with police during a crime, you are guilty of turning your back to something going on and are just as responsible for it.
I'm not saying go balls to the wall shoot every bad encounter you come to. But just simply ignoring it bc it doesn't involve you?
No bushes were hurt are you sure?
oh I thought it was real
Terrible advice. You can be prepared and aware without helping escalate. Walking away seeing another man talking to your woman offering help over a heated verbal exchange is enough to escalate. Unless you hear threats of physical violence, pay attention until the potential threat has left. This test is flawed because the intent is to use the gun in their course so the perception is you will act. Also this is broad daylight with no crowd. Best to observe if possible. If you can’t do that the priority becomes to move your family or friends away inside past a choke point. Tell one of them to place the call to 911 if you feel or see the “threats” had specific intent behind them. Then if you so choose slowly re engage and prepare to confront. Or stand back and protect those who are beyond the choke
Point or barrier. You can’t save everyone. This kind of hero training will get more people killed.
A little saddening to see so many folks saying how they wouldnt get involved. Indeed the woman shouldve kept her mouth shut after he had initially left and sat down or left. But however i say this imagine your kids there like below age 11 and theyre running around playing. And this same or similar scenario plays out. Guess what. Be a diff story. And im damn sure gonna drop the idiot that pulls agun out threateningly near kids especially my own. Initial run through was good. However im not gonna stand by and allow things like that to happen so easily. Like jfk said" dont ask what your country can do for you ask what you can do for your country" and last i seen she was an american and i protect all my fellow americans that need help to the best of my ability.
Imagine walking down the street and notice this
I love the tracer concept in personal use. Especially if someone is trained, but not sure about how they react with that huge adrenalin dump. It would help.
Plus it looks kinda fun lol. Loving the Security 9, too
I think 🤔 everybody that’s gets the a chl in Texas should do this type of training police do it / Military and private military contractors the bodyguard to do it lol 😂 Semination rounds hurt like a motherfucker when you get shot in the balls lol 😂 but as for other peoples domestic disputes I would not get involved unless my wife or life or kids were is in immediate danger.
Once someone with a firearm points it in your direction... especially under this scenario of escalation, you certainly do not have to order them to "drop the gun!!"...... At that moment you own them!! You just need to be prepared to articulate your response....
I only see one issue with the outcome of the second scenario. When he pulled the first two shots, the guy dropped. He got back up and was ordered to drop the gun. While the man didn’t drop it, he hadn’t even started to bring it back up. I think the third shot was a bit premature. Yes, it happens fast. I still think that he would have had plenty of time to notice before the gun became a problem again.
She provoked the situation
In a situation like this and a guy grabs a gun and comes back I am grabbing my son and running before he even gets close. I am not going to save some woman I don't know. Maybe she shouldn't stay out late and cheat if she didn't want to end up dead. It's not my job to save her from her poor choices.
I like that. "No advanced training. Just advanced application of the basics." That fits almost everything in life
Well in a court of law he's good, now if he shot the guy he would have to prove that his life was in danger, prosecutors would say why didn't you walk away or run away, law is really weird you can use self defense but you almost have to be a attorney, if you're life isn't in immediate danger or death than they say run or get away if not they throw you in jail, I've seen it happen
Ridiculous you don't get involved that way stupid shows for real only this kind of people handle shit that way smfhyeah let's trade to get involved in everybody's problems if a couples fight and don't get any unless it is really out of hand and you still got to watch what you say and how you get in it because you might be the victim
He dose this.... Is that what she said......too much to drink........ What else do he do when hes loud very aggressive and belligerent?
So they got training guns.. But nobody.. No fucking body, had the idea of giving them dummy cellphones or something
Shooting from that open porch is a death sentence in disguise, but real force on force both sides firing is the way to train for reality. I disagree with any mouth running if your in the open and an enemy presents a gun you better be firing or moving behind something, then spewing words. Anything besides these two is straight up foolishness.
No one is going to be able to retrieve their phone, dial 911 and instantly get a response within two seconds like in this scenario. Others can make that call in a fast evolving situation.
That was a very difficult one, he had no right to shot the man because no threat then he shot her so fast not time to react. Very good instructions and training on how to address the situation. But whats really hard is this all depends on the DA and their political ambitions as to where it goes from there and the fact that if you are not a police officer with no right to act upon situation being brought to the top of decision.