What does Afro-German mean? 🇩🇪 | Conversations With Black Germany
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
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Join us for an enlightening conversation with Ernest, a confident, bold, and fashionable Black German man with Ghanaian heritage. In this episode, we delve into Ernest's experiences navigating life in Germany as a Black man and explore how his identity intersects with his cultural roots and sexual orientation.
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One of my favorite things about Germany is that so many different cultural identities can come together under the German umbrella. I’m happy to live in a country that tries hard to move forward on human rights. And something that good should be shared :)
More people like you Sebastian. More people like you.
Welcome to Germany! I'd like to explain my perspective a bit more closely, and I don't mean to offend anyone with how I view things. No one becomes a German simply by acquiring citizenship. For example, one does not become a Turk just by obtaining Turkish citizenship; one becomes a Turkish citizen. No ethnic Turk would consider someone who has been granted Turkish citizenship to be a Turk. This probably applies to all nations worldwide. The ethnic population will never consider the naturalized citizen as a compatriot. This is not about discrimination, but rather the nature of the matter. So, to claim to be German with a granted citizenship is, from the perspective of an ethnic German, not accurate. When Article 16 was created in 1948, the framers of the constitution never dreamed that Germany would ever become a country of immigration again. Otherwise, the wording might have been different. And relying on this will not change anything in the eyes of the ethnic population.
Wow, It's 2024. We acknowledge White South Africans, Jewish Americans, Italian Americans, Asian Americans, Indian Kenyans, Lebanese Ghanaians, Chinese Jamaicans. A persons nationality rarely has anything to do with their blood but the culture and mentality that shapes them. You will NEVER find a Black Jamaican person for example tell a Chinese Jamaican, "You are not ancestral Jamaican so you cant call yourself that". Neither will you find a Ghanaian say that to a Lebanese Ghanaian OR a South African say that to a White South African. NEVER!!! Once you adopt the culture and move respect it like we do we consider you one of us. Yes' different but you are a part of us no less. Maybe thats the weakness of Black People, we are too welcoming to everyone when others are not to us.
@@ConvosXpodcast I see this with my Turkish friends who were born here; when they are in Turkey, they are not perceived as Turks, and when they are in Germany, they are not perceived as Germans. This makes it especially difficult to feel at home anywhere. I think it's the same for people of other nationalities: born in a "foreign" country, raised there, and when they visit the country of their ancestors (parents), whose citizenship they hold, the locals don't see them as one of their own. However, this does not mean that acquired citizenship is not highly valuable. It is a very high good, which brings equality with the natives, especially regarding voting and other privileges.
It’s the wrong Perspektive sorry. Here a German too:
Germany and the German democracy doesn’t think in in “races”. To identify as a German is also a political statement which proves, that you identify with the German constitution. So “German” refers to the citizenship. I am Afro-German and thinking of myself as a German definitely is a lot more than the fact than my genetics. Willens Gemeinschaft statt Herkunftsgemeinschaft
@@YaraPike Why is race being discussed here? There are only two races, and one of them is extinct. I am referring to ethnicities, like the ethnic group of the Sorbs, the Frisian ethnic group, the Sinti and Roma-all minorities, and all hold German citizenship. Just because there are about 60 million ethnic Germans doesn't make them any less of an ethnicity than the aforementioned groups. Belonging to an ethnic group is not something to be ashamed of.
In my circle of friends, there are four nationalities (all over 55 years old, who grew up here and hold German citizenship), and none of them say they are German. They refer to themselves as German citizens but not as Germans. This has nothing to do with discrimination. They have never felt belittled or unequal when it comes to exercising the rights of German citizenship.
really only your perspective and not generalised. We germans are a group of related cultures. Bavarians have a culture that in daily life differentiate from slightly to strongly from other german cultural groups. As someone from Hamburg... they have an different relegion, different food, different dialect and different cultural habbits. There is simply no difference in this categories to Turk-Germans, they have an different relegion, different food, different dialect and different cultural habbits. Since they adapted so many of the mainstream german cultural habits, they have become turk-germans, same as bavarian-germans, who also adapted to the developing mainstream german culture (which is a product of the 19th century, not before that). The current difference to afro-germans is the different percentage share of first, second and third generation afro-germans. If you look into second and third generation of afro-germans, their adaptation takes a similiar development like turk-germans.
Saying that the constitutional congress was not seeing Germany as an country of immigration.... people in the past moved far easier into other countries then before. The concept of keeping people out is rather new. Nations were happy to have more citizens. Friedrich I the great incorporated the Hugerotts, people of different faith. Remember, their immigration started 50 years after the 30-year war. Bismarck, while assembling the nation, incorporated danes, french, polish.... people and were not thinking in "reimmigration".
Why not just German?
because he is proud of his ghana roots and is from of ghana descent🇬🇭Why would he leave that part of his identity out?
@@blackstartv2 it's just weird to move to another country yet not try to fully assimilate into that country culture. I feel like same way when people call themselves African American or Italian American etc. if you're so proud of your root that you have to constantly refer to yourself as such then why not stay in that country?
@@Sage16226 You can be both. I was born and raised in Ghana but I consider myself Black British and Ghanaian depending on who is asking or why. There is a benefit as a community to embrace both. It is something that truly unifies the Black community. Thanks for your contribution.
@@Sage16226 idk if you know this, but african americans never had the choice to move to America. They were forced and oppressed among many other atrocities. Regarding Italian americans and others, they can be proud of where they are from while wanting opportunities in new countries.
As a German ( potato style 😂) I always hope that POC see themselves as German.
But I can understand that one is Afro German or whatever mix you have.
It's exactly as explained in the video. Embrace the diversity.
We Germans can be happy to have migrants that add some "spice" into the German way of doing stuff
Was it always the case in Germany that Eltern and Kindergeld was always available? Homosexuality for example was illegal in Germany 30 years ago. So to strut around and look down on a developing society like Ghana; to disparage the pregnant hawking woman is no different than what a white German who denies your Afro-German identity.
I don’t think there are too many people stopping you from referring to yourself in Germany or elsewhere as you wish…
I think he is simply stating that the pregnant woman hawking in the sun is not something that is normal or encouraged in Germany, which is true whereby in Ghana we are "OK" with it. He was explaining the shift in his mindset since living in Germany made him realise this. I didn't find anything disparaging about it at all. Criticising Ghana is never wrong. No pregnant woman should be outside hawking but we know she is forced to because she has to do that to live. What is the government doing to provide this lady with the basic needs so she does not have to do that?
for me, as a german who likely is a descendant of hungarian street robbers (if I guess the family name modification correctly...)
We germans are at heart "tribes", bavarians, saxons, northerners.... for me, turks, ghanaians, curds.... are just more tribes. And if you greet me with "Moin" you are a northerner. :)