IMO: Arthur on the left, John on the right If both on their prime Strength: 1-0 Durability: 2-1 (highly debatable) Attack Potency: 3-1 Agility: 4-2 (highly debatable) Stamina: 5-3 Endurance: 6-4 (highly debatable) Reaction Time: 7-5 (Arthur is slightly quicker) Adaptability: 8-6 Speed: 8-7 Hand-to-hand combat: 9-7 Melee: 10-7 Gunfight: 10-8 IQ: 11-8 Battle IQ: 11-9 EQ: 12-10 Wisdom: 13-10 Coordination: 13-11 Experience: 13-12 (debatable) Body Composition: 14-12 Weaponry: 14-13 Weapon Proficiency: 15-14 Feats: 15-15 Attack: 16-16 Defense: 16-17 Outside fighting (I don't think it really counts.) Hunting 18-17 Fishing 19-17 Persuasion: 19-18 Can swim 💀: 20-18 Humour: 21-18 Accidental Humour: 21-19 Can herd 💀: 22-19 Drawing: 23-20 (John improved overtime.) Writing: 24-20 Dbgrgrbbtwbtwtbbrbg: 3524-3342 Result: John Extreme Diff? In my conclusion, this would most likely be luck-based, and they would be depending on the situation. Both are veterans and experts. Edit: edited it a bit
@@ehidfk It doesn't have a better storyline. That BS was fed to us for long enough. It has to step all over RDR1's writing to stand and it's writing itself makes no sense. The gang isn't even that bad yet they talk as if they're the most evil thing on the face of the planet. RDR1's story is simplistic and smooth.
Also about John Marston and Arthur Morgan. Arthur can swim until his stamina runs out. But John dosent have that much time to swim so he drowns faster. Both characters draw speed are 00:00:30:00 seconds. That’s all I remember
As much as I like John, Arthur showed incredible endurance throughout his journey. He remained the pillar of the gang despite suffering from tuberculosis, an extremely deadly and painful illness, especially for its time. Arthur also displayed great feats of physical strength, and his shooting skills were top-notch-he was even able to outdraw Micah and defeat him while at death’s door! Honestly, I don’t see John winning this one because, although he became highly skilled with the pistol, the difference isn’t that significant. The edit was sick tho
Agility- Arthur john cant even swim Reaction- arthur would outrdraw john Experience- Arthur has more outlaw experience than john because john was between 1899 and 1911 not really an outlaw except for 1907
@@cerniiiswimming has nothing to do with agility, john dodges attacks and moves around way better than arthur during a fight, hence he takes agility outdrawing someone doesn't have anything to do with you reaction speed, it's just drawspeed, more relevant to combat speed experience goes to john, it isn't about outlaw experience, it's about overall experience, john has went through more than arthur did, hence he takes this point as well
Huge W, imo Arthur wins in a QuickDraw or they kill each other (highly debatable) but in an all out gunfight with ranged and multiple weapons I think John wins
@@Miraak59 And he would fail in the process. Arthur isn't none of the older gang members he hunted who were nowhere near as skilled as him. Arthur is an efficent killer
Durability either goes to Arthur only, or both. He lasted in a knife fight or fist fight (depending on which ending you choose) with TB up until his death. You may call me a glazer and you may like John more because he is the OG badass, but undeniably Arthur solos John. He’s bigger and more skilled. Moving on from strength Arthur is much more complex. On the outside he is a badass outlaw ready for anything. But a look in his journal, you notice his feelings, doubts, insecurities, and worries. John is a more simple minded being. “What you see is what you get.” Arthur wants to change but is told he can’t because of his past wrongs. Although he did change, he died thinking he was a bad man. He knew he was going to die and spent his last time helping everybody else get away from trouble and make it out alive. John believed he could change and his redemption was killing the last of the gang for his family’s lives. He thought he could redeem himself and get out of the outlaw life because of Arthur and his choices in the end. All in all Arthur was a better character and fighter overall, John’s chances against him would be slim IF they were to ever fight.
I’ll just say to not take any of this to heart. Arthur and John is generally a draw and they would never fight. If there was a vs including Arthur and John, they would be grouped together as a duo (for example) Arthur and John vs Trevor and Micheal
@@prskaJohn might actually beat him in a fist fight because of that one scene in American venom, the scene in Mexico in rdr1 where he makes that man bleed and the fight with the muscular guy in a west dickens mission
@@GeraltSolosTheVerse yeah but arthur's fought bigger and more dangerous people in h2h, but i agree, it's not like john has 0% chance to win, arthur is just more likely to win
If they ended up fighting during read dead 2 when they were alive at the same time arthur would whoop johns ass but if it took place with read dead 1 john I think it's anyones game
Arthur morgan Vs Jack Marston adult Raw Strength 1:0 Ramming Strength 2:1 Potential 2:1 Lifting strength 3:1 striking Strength 4:1 Battle Potential 4:2 Experience 5:2 Battle Experience 6:2 Speed 6:3 Agility 6:4 Battle Speed 6:5 Battle Agility 6:6 Combat Speed 7:6 Combat Agility 7:7 Gun drawing speed 8:7 deadeye Potential 8:8 Honor 9:8 Fame 9:9 better Horse 10:9 Strength 11:9 Strength Potential 11:10 Book writer 11:11 Made a book about his dad dying 11:12 Iq 12:12 Battle Iq 13:12 Hunting experience 14:12 Book writing experience =15:13 H2H 15:14 Endurance =16:15 Skills 16:16 Height 17:16 weight 18:16 I hate you kid in RDR2 18:17 Intelligence =19:18 Battle Intelligence 19:19 Both are really intelligent Hunting Potential 19:20 Combat R3H 20:20 Decide on this one My opinion For arthur morgan Vs John marston 1911 Strength 1:0 lifting strength 2:0 durability 3:0 iq 4:0 Battle Iq 5:0 Can swim 6:0 Cannot Swim+Pussy cat 6:2 Height 7:2 Can kill A grizzly bear And can kill A cougar 9:2 Gun dueling skills 10:2 Knows how to herd 11:2 Badass 12:2 Potency 12:3 Potential 12:4 Menace+Amnesia 12:6 Gun dueling potential 12:7 Arthur wins in my opinion
Arthur should get the gunfight and experience points since he shoots with both eyes open, which is a sign of a very experienced gunslinger while John shoots with an eye closed
Well since John gets durability is because he survived freezing in the cold & getting half his brain ate by wolves and he survived for a decent amount of time being shot everywhere by agent Ross's gang.
@@Deadpool_wolverine66thats endurance example of durability: anyone shot on my face, but the bullet didnt penetrate and didnt even gived me a scar. Thats durability. Example of endurance: anyone shot me, the bullet penetrate me but i still survive even in bloodloss. arthur have more durability feats, john have more endurance than arthur.
Jonh lo supera en 1911 derrotó a toda la banda, incluso libero a México el solo contra todo un ejército, y fue entrenado por el mismísimo Landon. No puedes decir que es mejor
@@Miraak59 john wiser? really lol. no offense but thats just dumb. read arthurs journal and pay more atteinton in rdr2, its fairly subtle but arthur is very intelligent
@TheMartyrNeverFades • Arthur admitted that John thinks and adapts faster than him. Why do you think John is one of the first to question Dutch's stupid decisions? • Who planned the train robbery in chapter 2? Srthur even admitted that John made a very wonderful idea. • John and Arthur had the same upbringing, they learned to read, shoot, assault and hunt. • Arthur showed himself to be a brute many times, such as: In a business attempt by Hosea, Arthur accidentally ends up breaking up that negotiation with a guy from the Emerald Ranch. • When John finished committing the assault on the train with the other members, he was able to do business with a guy from Valentine, however, Arthur ended up ruining the truce because they didn't give much money for having returned a simple sheep, it was quick money . • John knows how to speak Spanish better than Arthur. • John was involved in a Mexican revolution, and was on two different teams at the same time unnoticed for a long time (With the Reboluvionarios and with the Patriotas). • John does business with the people of the Prongorth ranch (Specifically with the boss of the ranch). • John went unnoticed for 8 years escaping from the Pinkertons, adopting different hair styles and using fake names. • John is one of the first to notice Dutch's true or other side and question him very often. Furthermore, he remembers that John had more common sense than Arthur, since he did not allow himself to be carried away much by fanaticism. • John built his ranch, for this he must have knowledge regarding construction.
@@El_pajas-3.0001 john wasn't the one that planned the heist he only figured out how to stop the train (the idea might not even be his because a newspaper at the same time literally talks about a previous robbery like this where the train didn't stop and killed everyone inside). 2.arthur didn't mess with hosea's or John's business attempts both of them literally where bad from the beginning especially John's where the guy tried to play them both and imposed a fee on them for being "stolen sheep's" Arthur plays the bad cop to keep them in check and act though and even haggles the price something which john wasn't able to do . 3.john noticing dutch isn't about how smart he is Arthur didn't see dutch kill innocents or anything like that and he had more faith in him than john while john literally saw dutch murder someone in cold blood and started doubting him since so it not something which you can say that Arthur is dumb about . 4. John already had his house pre built with instructions and had help from Charles to make it so it doesn't mean that's he's smart. 5. Being able to do legal business with another ranch isn't a sign of him being intelligent either it just means hes adjusting to being a normal guy . All of this you've shown are barely an intelligence feat at all
Arthur should take durability hes been hung upside down tortured, stayed alive for a while even after TB, and has also mentally sufured alot more then john has
@@user-hx6gs9rq7u dude im not even saying that he IS his father. He was LIKE a father since john pretty much was like him kinda like kobe and michael jordan
@@ant_178 you must not actually UNDERSTAND what im SAYING, im saying that he treated him LIKE a father. Worrying about his problems and such, like a FATHER would do.
@@JACKRIDERPLAYZHe lived more but spent some years living as a family man while Arthur lived his life as a criminal and gang member his entire life. Also the age difference wasn't that big. Jhon was probably just 2 years older than Arthur.
I’ve played both games, And In my openion, Arthur wins. Have a look at my Analysis please. John dies so easily in RDR 1 4-5 bullets from and he dies. 1. Strength- Arthur ( Better physique and hieght. defeated Tommy, a 6’7 giant and gave him brain damage. Can lift Animals with comparitively less effort, he can also defeat Bertham even after getting tuberculosis) 2. Stamina- John (There is no stamina core in rdr1, so unlimited stamina, and John also has leaner physique) 3. Durability- John (Survived wolf attack, stood for 20 seconds after getting shot 15-20 times) 4. Endurance- Arthur (Survived shipwreck, fought well in Tuberculosis, survived Colm O’Driscal’s torture) 5. Hand to hand combat- Arthur (Has more strength, defeated Tommy, feels like Arthur is better at hand to hand combat) 6. Accuracy- John (Feels like John is better) 7. Intelligence- John (Learns fast, outsmarted Mexican government, became a genius after wolves ate his brain) 8. IQ- Arthur (Feels like Arthur is better, understands things well, has a good analysis and has wide range of knowledge, and is good at sketching too) 9. Battle IQ- John 10. Weapons- Arthur(rdr2 has more variety of weapons than rdr1, and also different variety of bullets) 11. Quickdraw- John. (John timing is 1.07 second and Arthur’s is 1.08 second, I calculated, I may be wrong in this one though) 12. Brave- Arthur (Not afraid of death, does not panic, Sacrificed himself for John without even thinking for a second) 13. Experience- Arthur 14. Talent and Abilities- Arthur ( Has eagle eye, there is No eagle eye in RDR1) 15. Determination- John (RDR1 John is highly motivated to kill anyone that enters his path and saves his family) 16. Kill Count- Arthur (Arthur Killed- 1163, John Killed 988, I counted) 17. Speed- John (Feels like John is better at speed with good reflexes) 18. Dead Eye- Arthur (Arthur’s Dead Eye has longer duration than John’s Dead eye in RDR1. And Arthur Shoots with both eyes open, whereas John closes one eye to Aim) 19. Supplies- Arthur (Arthur has more and better tonics and provisions for healing, stamina & dead eye than rdr-1 John) 20. Mentally Strong- Arthur (Stayed strong even in most depressing times one can ever face) 21. Agility- John. 22. Damage taking capacity- Arthur ( In Rdr1, John dies after getting hit by 4-5 bullets in gameplay, whereas Arthur dies after taking 9-10 bullets) Arthur-John = 13-9 Arthur wins extreme diff.
@@backlandjbreaker24Brevery is shown by acts, not by words, even a brave king is afraid before hard times, but when battle comes he fights abd destroys his enemies. Without fear u cannot become brave, u only become brave when u overcome your fears. And believe me it takes a lot of courage to sacrifice yourself for others, Arthur did the same. Even if he says he was afraid, but his acts show courage and valour, can u sacrifice yourself for people? Arthur knew he has little time left, and instead of thinking about himself, he cares more about others. Even the bravest and most valorous kings in history were also afraid of many things. But does that make them coward, No! They faced dark times with their full potential, that is what makes them brave. What Arthur did in the end was truely an act of bravery. And even if u want to give BIQ to John, still, the score would be 12-9. Arthur Still wins. And to be honest, I respect both Arthur and John Equally. I just wrote what I analysed.
@@backlandjbreaker24okay now I gave experience to Arthur and BIQ to John, now happy? Still score remains same. And one more thing, John Dies very easily in Rdr 1 gameplay, 4-5 bullets, and he dies. Whereas, in rdr2, both arthur and john have more health and dont die that easily in gameplay. I experienced it myself.
@@backlandjbreaker24there is a difference between saying and reality. By the way Arthur also says that I’m ignorant and ugly, Do u think he is ugly, No right.
Gunfight I'll give to Arthur. I mean Arthur killed a few of the strongest Gunslingers of the Wild West without breaking a sweat when he was past his prime and while having TB. Compare that to John who did everything in RDR1 while in his Prime.
@@backlandjbreaker24Ye true but I personally think those missions was suppose to be done as Arthur they just gave them to John incase you didn't want to do them as Arthur idk but both good asf Micah is also in that category with Arthur and John to Micah has to get credit to
Guys im gonna tell how arthur mid diffs(no glaze): Arthur 1899 > john 1899, john 1907, john 1911. In fist fight Arthur>John 1899, John1907, Arthur 1899
Me personally Arthur wins in a gunfight like no disrespect to John but like Arthur is the fastest draw so agility is also Arthur he has way better reaction time I mean 0.350 to draw and he’s sick so like there’s that and he’s like the brute version of John basically
Yeah I agree because in the mission when Arthur dies in the standoff Arthur’s gun is already Pointed at Micha chest and then puts it to his head I forgot what time but I know Arthur is faster than john
Well when you realize John can’t keep his mouth shut. Arthur slams. Realistically John should have been dead in RDR2 American Venom. He yelled for Micah and Micah was way better at that time. Also to all the people who say Durability goes to John. John had adrenaline all the times he was shot and mauled. Arthur had TB which ruined his Adrenaline. He survived fighting Micah just to lose because Dutch intervened on Micahs behalf. If your durable enough to still be non Killable when sick with a fatal disease. Adrenaline rushes don’t match.
Umm actually 🤓 John was shot like 25 times at the end of rdr1 he also survived the shot in Blackwater he survived the wolves. He survived the shot from bill and he was probably left there to bleed for hours and I can go on and on but I’m not.
Its a fact that arturhs draw/reaction is better than johns even though john may have out drawed more random people arthur outdrawed the biggest legends of the west
Should I remake this?
ae text and cc still
I think experience goes to both because they have 22 years of experience
IMO:
Arthur on the left, John on the right
If both on their prime
Strength: 1-0
Durability: 2-1 (highly debatable)
Attack Potency: 3-1
Agility: 4-2 (highly debatable)
Stamina: 5-3
Endurance: 6-4 (highly debatable)
Reaction Time: 7-5 (Arthur is slightly quicker)
Adaptability: 8-6
Speed: 8-7
Hand-to-hand combat: 9-7
Melee: 10-7
Gunfight: 10-8
IQ: 11-8
Battle IQ: 11-9
EQ: 12-10
Wisdom: 13-10
Coordination: 13-11
Experience: 13-12 (debatable)
Body Composition: 14-12
Weaponry: 14-13
Weapon Proficiency: 15-14
Feats: 15-15
Attack: 16-16
Defense: 16-17
Outside fighting (I don't think it really counts.)
Hunting 18-17
Fishing 19-17
Persuasion: 19-18
Can swim 💀: 20-18
Humour: 21-18
Accidental Humour: 21-19
Can herd 💀: 22-19
Drawing: 23-20 (John improved overtime.)
Writing: 24-20
Dbgrgrbbtwbtwtbbrbg: 3524-3342
Result: John Extreme Diff?
In my conclusion, this would most likely be luck-based, and they would be depending on the situation. Both are veterans and experts.
Edit: edited it a bit
A remake of this edit with your new take would be sick
ON SECOND THOUGHTS Arthur probably high diffs* (sorry I just hade to do it😅😅)
Nirvana and Rdr??? This is the best thing i've seen in my life
Same
Real
It sound sad this music with this video because they were brothers , John remembered Arthur sometimes and he got sad because Arthur was dead
@@OldEnough1 Both are extremely different .Nirvana is far more philosophical than redemption just being a mere word .
@@harshvardhanbharti8700with same he meant me too dumb bastard
The legend of the west vs the legend of the east 🐐🔥🔥
Johns both
@@DeadX2 nah,john is legend of the west
@@ParrotPog and east
@@DeadX2 legend of the east is arthur
@@DeadX2 he literally has legend of the east outfit
tbh i always liked john more cause red dead 1 is my fav game of all time
W opinion
@@Audspeedy appreciate it🙏🏽
Arthur's definitely better written but I just enjoy John's character more
@@AgentPink-nr3qs i 💯 agree rdr2 has better storyline but i just enjoy playing as john in rdr1
@@ehidfk It doesn't have a better storyline. That BS was fed to us for long enough. It has to step all over RDR1's writing to stand and it's writing itself makes no sense. The gang isn't even that bad yet they talk as if they're the most evil thing on the face of the planet. RDR1's story is simplistic and smooth.
John's intellect is undermined
it really isnt relative to Arthurs, John got manipulated by almost everyone he met
@@GeraltSolosTheVerse he's way smarter in rdr1 and he can speak Spanish too
@West_is_Jelqing got manipulated by Ross, the Mexican army and west dickens easily
@@GeraltSolosTheVerse he didn't get manipulated. He was trying to help his family.
@@GeraltSolosTheVersenot manipulated but he didn’t really have a choice if his family was at stake
Also about John Marston and Arthur Morgan. Arthur can swim until his stamina runs out. But John dosent have that much time to swim so he drowns faster. Both characters draw speed are 00:00:30:00 seconds. That’s all I remember
John can’t swim lol and it’s quite fascinating that you know how fast he drowns
Arthur’s the goat.. literally he’s like the best written character in a game ever
Uhh and John took out the Mexican military and survived a zombie apocalypse stfu kid play rdr1
true honestly but john still wins
@@Subbot_s you cant even tell why he wins, stfu little shii
He’s not lol
@@DeadX2 who is then
These types of edits usually sucks, but you made it look fire, the teen spirit is a cherry on top.
Bro gave agility to john, bro cant swim lmao
how is swimming agility lmao
@TheMartyrNeverFades exactly
@@Reflex-Editsplus he can do a full on combat roll in rdr1
@TheMartyrNeverFades I agree, but I don't think "beefy" is the right word
@@Midnight-q6h Yeah Arthur just has more muscles and is therefore wider
Marston in gunfight and Arthur in fist fight
Exactly
As much as I like John, Arthur showed incredible endurance throughout his journey. He remained the pillar of the gang despite suffering from tuberculosis, an extremely deadly and painful illness, especially for its time. Arthur also displayed great feats of physical strength, and his shooting skills were top-notch-he was even able to outdraw Micah and defeat him while at death’s door! Honestly, I don’t see John winning this one because, although he became highly skilled with the pistol, the difference isn’t that significant.
The edit was sick tho
And jack is just forgotten.
because he would lose to them? what’s your point?
@@vesperm1899 Jack >
@@vesperm We never know , We barely saw 1914 Jack
Nirvana + RDR = Golden combination
John takes everything plus
"YOU'RE FUCKING GAY"
-John Marston 1911 solos
AS IN HOMOSEXUAL!
Be glad he still won, "FaRM HAnD"
@@GamingCoyote595stfu Arthur meat rider
Nah bro Arthur is better
@@Bob-o3s hell no
I can confirm that I am a nirvana fan
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Intelligence to Marston he overthrew the mexican goverment
That's why I gave him biq, but in rdr2 you can see the difference in intelligence through the journals
That was more battle iq than Iq but yeah John still takes it
@@Reflex-Editsjohn has way more intelligence feats than arthur, hence he takes this point
Agility- Arthur john cant even swim
Reaction- arthur would outrdraw john
Experience- Arthur has more outlaw experience than john because john was between 1899 and 1911 not really an outlaw except for 1907
@@cerniii john can't swim because he never learnt to and reaction speed goes to John since 1911 John is a faster draw then Arthur
@@Reflex-Edits no he is simply not
John was an Outlaw longer than that, but still Arthur has overall more experience in being one.
@@cerniiiswimming has nothing to do with agility, john dodges attacks and moves around way better than arthur during a fight, hence he takes agility
outdrawing someone doesn't have anything to do with you reaction speed, it's just drawspeed, more relevant to combat speed
experience goes to john, it isn't about outlaw experience, it's about overall experience, john has went through more than arthur did, hence he takes this point as well
Arthur swims for 18 seconds
Fac, jhon was brutal in the 1st game
Downgraded in 2
@@DeadX2 or upgraded in 1
@@wfr878 nope he was downgraded
@@DeadX2 thats not how that works 2 is before 1
@@wfr878 I’m aware he was still downgraded
Intelligence john saw through Dutch in chapter 2
Knows what a meteorite is Arthur calls if a big rock in his journal
Etc
finally not brazilian funk and normal music
I feel both characters lived in the best times. Arthur in late 1800's, John in early 1900's.
All my favorite things in one short
Including the song?
@@Forgie_441 yeah
LMAO SAMEEEE
@@BugelaaaaaaaaaAaaKurt cobain live and loud pfp
Huge W, imo Arthur wins in a QuickDraw or they kill each other (highly debatable) but in an all out gunfight with ranged and multiple weapons I think John wins
@@Infinite_cLIPSforeal yeah valid
the whole Arhur vs John thing is too big for a short, it deserves a whole ahh 40 minutes long video essay
Why would me and john ever fight he is my brother
Hello Arthur
No Micah is johns brother
Buddy just likes John more 💀💀
I prefer Arthur actually
Buddy has not played RDR1
W edit as always!🔥🔥🔥
Man timezones are 💀
John will never be able to beat Arthur. Arthur is the best brother who always goes above and beyond John and sets an example for him.
John in 1911 would be hunting Arthur down
@@Miraak59 And he would fail in the process. Arthur isn't none of the older gang members he hunted who were nowhere near as skilled as him. Arthur is an efficent killer
nah they both win because they are both legends 🐐🔥
Durability either goes to Arthur only, or both. He lasted in a knife fight or fist fight (depending on which ending you choose) with TB up until his death. You may call me a glazer and you may like John more because he is the OG badass, but undeniably Arthur solos John. He’s bigger and more skilled. Moving on from strength Arthur is much more complex. On the outside he is a badass outlaw ready for anything. But a look in his journal, you notice his feelings, doubts, insecurities, and worries. John is a more simple minded being. “What you see is what you get.” Arthur wants to change but is told he can’t because of his past wrongs. Although he did change, he died thinking he was a bad man. He knew he was going to die and spent his last time helping everybody else get away from trouble and make it out alive. John believed he could change and his redemption was killing the last of the gang for his family’s lives. He thought he could redeem himself and get out of the outlaw life because of Arthur and his choices in the end. All in all Arthur was a better character and fighter overall, John’s chances against him would be slim IF they were to ever fight.
I’ll just say to not take any of this to heart. Arthur and John is generally a draw and they would never fight. If there was a vs including Arthur and John, they would be grouped together as a duo (for example) Arthur and John vs Trevor and Micheal
@@_imnotgoodatnames_arthur only beats john in a fist fight, john would clap him in a gunfight
overall john is smarter and more skilled in a gunfight
@@prskaJohn might actually beat him in a fist fight because of that one scene in American venom, the scene in Mexico in rdr1 where he makes that man bleed and the fight with the muscular guy in a west dickens mission
@@GeraltSolosTheVerse yeah but arthur's fought bigger and more dangerous people in h2h, but i agree, it's not like john has 0% chance to win, arthur is just more likely to win
@prska None really come to mind besides Tommy Arthur exceeds John in lifting and John probably exceeds Arthur in striking
amazing edit
Ik
Bruh they are neutral, in my opinion
If they ended up fighting during read dead 2 when they were alive at the same time arthur would whoop johns ass but if it took place with read dead 1 john I think it's anyones game
Arthur Morgan ❌
John Marston ❌
Red Harlow✅
red solos both
"Tell the devil, Red Harlow sent you."
-Goat Harlow
No Arthur’s horsey
Arthur morgan Vs Jack Marston adult
Raw Strength 1:0 Ramming Strength 2:1
Potential 2:1
Lifting strength 3:1 striking Strength 4:1
Battle Potential 4:2 Experience 5:2 Battle Experience 6:2 Speed 6:3 Agility 6:4 Battle Speed 6:5 Battle Agility 6:6
Combat Speed 7:6
Combat Agility 7:7
Gun drawing speed 8:7 deadeye Potential 8:8 Honor 9:8 Fame 9:9 better Horse 10:9 Strength 11:9 Strength Potential 11:10 Book writer
11:11 Made a book about his dad dying
11:12
Iq 12:12
Battle Iq 13:12
Hunting experience
14:12 Book writing experience
=15:13 H2H 15:14 Endurance =16:15 Skills 16:16 Height 17:16 weight 18:16 I hate you kid in RDR2
18:17 Intelligence =19:18 Battle Intelligence 19:19 Both are really intelligent
Hunting Potential 19:20
Combat R3H 20:20 Decide on this one
My opinion
For arthur morgan Vs John marston 1911
Strength 1:0 lifting strength 2:0 durability 3:0 iq 4:0 Battle Iq 5:0 Can swim 6:0 Cannot Swim+Pussy cat 6:2
Height 7:2 Can kill A grizzly bear And can kill A cougar 9:2 Gun dueling skills 10:2 Knows how to herd 11:2 Badass 12:2 Potency 12:3 Potential 12:4 Menace+Amnesia 12:6 Gun dueling potential 12:7 Arthur wins in my opinion
This edit is fire 🔥🔥🔥
This is the best edit I’ve seen in awhile
honestly I think jack solos them all
1899 Jack*
My dad was Scottish💀
Jack marston rdr vs Elie William Tlou
Easiest win of John’s life
@@SungJinWooEditsz it's jack not john
@@SungJinWooEditszjack’s
Jack: X x
× X xX
X ×
Jack wins
realistically jack should win, but if we're going with scaling points, ellie takes more points and wins
My head canon is that Jack Marston is better than both of them, even though we don’t exactly have proof of that…
Clean smooth absolute W of a edit
IQ should go to John he got half his brains eaten by wolves
Cringe
@@DeadX2nuh uh
@@DeadX2 Nuh uh
@@cobrakarate-e8u yeah huh
@@AlexDonnelly-n7y yeah huh
Arthur should get the gunfight and experience points since he shoots with both eyes open, which is a sign of a very experienced gunslinger while John shoots with an eye closed
john is a way better gunslinger and has been through more
With a pistol John always has both eyes open
Wrong@@RealPoopyBut
@@HF-201 John is better
@@El_pajas-3.000 look it up don't make broad statements
W song
W edit
W charachter
W editor
No,I am not crazy folk that will "W" all existing thing
Durability goes to Arthur
Well since John gets durability is because he survived freezing in the cold & getting half his brain ate by wolves and he survived for a decent amount of time being shot everywhere by agent Ross's gang.
John survived everything. He's more durable like it or not.
@@West_is_JelqingArthur durability>>> john durability. Just acept
@@Deadpool_wolverine66thats endurance
example of durability: anyone shot on my face, but the bullet didnt penetrate and didnt even gived me a scar. Thats durability.
Example of endurance: anyone shot me, the bullet penetrate me but i still survive even in bloodloss.
arthur have more durability feats, john have more endurance than arthur.
@@anthonybastos1040nah my bro john survived on a cliff getting half his brain eaten by wolfs until Arthur and Javier found him
battle iq & gunfight deff goes to Arthur. in RDR2 everybody treated Arthur like he was the gangs marksmen.
Jonh lo supera en 1911 derrotó a toda la banda, incluso libero a México el solo contra todo un ejército, y fue entrenado por el mismísimo Landon. No puedes decir que es mejor
John gets Inteligence and Iq
Heck no. Throughout the game he is made fun of and pointed out for his lack of intelligence and being stupid.
no
Nope not battle iq either
@@RipWanWinkle1899 yes
@@itachiuzumaki6942 John yon gets inteligence and IQ
i dont even care about the fight, smells like teen spirit with the video pulsing goes incredibly hard.
Intelligence easily John otherwise I agree
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@TheMartyrNeverFades not really. John seems much wiser and more experienced
@@Miraak59 john wiser? really lol. no offense but thats just dumb. read arthurs journal and pay more atteinton in rdr2, its fairly subtle but arthur is very intelligent
@TheMartyrNeverFades
• Arthur admitted that John thinks and adapts faster than him. Why do you think John is one of the first to question Dutch's stupid decisions?
• Who planned the train robbery in chapter 2? Srthur even admitted that John made a very wonderful idea.
• John and Arthur had the same upbringing, they learned to read, shoot, assault and hunt.
• Arthur showed himself to be a brute many times, such as: In a business attempt by Hosea, Arthur accidentally ends up breaking up that negotiation with a guy from the Emerald Ranch.
• When John finished committing the assault on the train with the other members, he was able to do business with a guy from Valentine, however, Arthur ended up ruining the truce because they didn't give much money for having returned a simple sheep, it was quick money .
• John knows how to speak Spanish better than Arthur.
• John was involved in a Mexican revolution, and was on two different teams at the same time unnoticed for a long time (With the Reboluvionarios and with the Patriotas).
• John does business with the people of the Prongorth ranch (Specifically with the boss of the ranch).
• John went unnoticed for 8 years escaping from the Pinkertons, adopting different hair styles and using fake names.
• John is one of the first to notice Dutch's true or other side and question him very often. Furthermore, he remembers that John had more common sense than Arthur, since he did not allow himself to be carried away much by fanaticism.
• John built his ranch, for this he must have knowledge regarding construction.
@@El_pajas-3.0001 john wasn't the one that planned the heist he only figured out how to stop the train (the idea might not even be his because a newspaper at the same time literally talks about a previous robbery like this where the train didn't stop and killed everyone inside).
2.arthur didn't mess with hosea's or John's business attempts both of them literally where bad from the beginning especially John's where the guy tried to play them both and imposed a fee on them for being "stolen sheep's" Arthur plays the bad cop to keep them in check and act though and even haggles the price something which john wasn't able to do .
3.john noticing dutch isn't about how smart he is Arthur didn't see dutch kill innocents or anything like that and he had more faith in him than john while john literally saw dutch murder someone in cold blood and started doubting him since so it not something which you can say that Arthur is dumb about .
4. John already had his house pre built with instructions and had help from Charles to make it so it doesn't mean that's he's smart.
5. Being able to do legal business with another ranch isn't a sign of him being intelligent either it just means hes adjusting to being a normal guy .
All of this you've shown are barely an intelligence feat at all
Ngl this goes so hard w bro🔥
Hell no. Arthur destroys John
POV: you know nothing about the first game 😂
1899 john yes but 1911 john is the boogeyman
Blud did not play rdr1
Bro did not play the first game
RDR2 yes, RDR1? Hell no
Arthur should take durability hes been hung upside down tortured, stayed alive for a while even after TB, and has also mentally sufured alot more then john has
Arthur has more speed and experience
True
Wrong
No, john lived longer than he did giving him more. experience.
L take
@@AclipsoArthur should have taken durability bro and also experience
John is the better character on mum's
Arthur is way more complex
Bro this is fire
W edit 🔥
W both my fav games
Let’s see who can swim :troll:
let's see who can enter to New Austin and Mexico
John>>>>>>>arther
ah, my favourite rdr2 character, Arther Morkan
@@whattfshouldiputherebruh tf?
I respect both but i would say john cuz he literally made my childhood ( yeah i played rdr when i was a kid 💀 )
Finally not a trash phonk song
Og’s always win rdr1 was my first rockstar game
Revolver for me
@ now that is a true og
Nah I feel like arthur was the father of john pretty much. 😮
Not true at all. He’s his brother which is why John says “You’re my brother” to him
@@user-hx6gs9rq7u dude im not even saying that he IS his father. He was LIKE a father since john pretty much was like him kinda like kobe and michael jordan
Not at all lmfao. Arthur was just his brother thats all. Youre looking into it to deep.
@@ant_178 you must not actually UNDERSTAND what im SAYING, im saying that he treated him LIKE a father. Worrying about his problems and such, like a FATHER would do.
@@ItsGunkerYou do realize that older brothers can worry about their younger brothers problems
For the potency and expérience is arthur 😅
Nope. John lived longer
Yes I agree now
@@JACKRIDERPLAYZHe lived more but spent some years living as a family man while Arthur lived his life as a criminal and gang member his entire life. Also the age difference wasn't that big. Jhon was probably just 2 years older than Arthur.
I’ve played both games, And In my openion, Arthur wins.
Have a look at my Analysis please.
John dies so easily in RDR 1
4-5 bullets from and he dies.
1. Strength- Arthur
( Better physique and hieght. defeated Tommy, a 6’7 giant and gave him brain damage. Can lift Animals with comparitively less effort, he can also defeat Bertham even after getting tuberculosis)
2. Stamina- John
(There is no stamina core in rdr1, so unlimited stamina, and John also has leaner physique)
3. Durability- John
(Survived wolf attack, stood for 20 seconds after getting shot 15-20 times)
4. Endurance- Arthur
(Survived shipwreck, fought well in Tuberculosis, survived Colm O’Driscal’s torture)
5. Hand to hand combat- Arthur
(Has more strength, defeated Tommy, feels like Arthur is better at hand to hand combat)
6. Accuracy- John
(Feels like John is better)
7. Intelligence- John
(Learns fast, outsmarted Mexican government, became a genius after wolves ate his brain)
8. IQ- Arthur
(Feels like Arthur is better, understands things well, has a good analysis and has wide range of knowledge, and is good at sketching too)
9. Battle IQ- John
10. Weapons- Arthur(rdr2 has more variety of weapons than rdr1, and also different variety of bullets)
11. Quickdraw- John.
(John timing is 1.07 second and Arthur’s is 1.08 second, I calculated, I may be wrong in this one though)
12. Brave- Arthur
(Not afraid of death, does not panic, Sacrificed himself for John without even thinking for a second)
13. Experience- Arthur
14. Talent and Abilities- Arthur
( Has eagle eye, there is No eagle eye in RDR1)
15. Determination- John
(RDR1 John is highly motivated to kill anyone that enters his path and saves his family)
16. Kill Count- Arthur
(Arthur Killed- 1163, John Killed 988, I counted)
17. Speed- John
(Feels like John is better at speed with good reflexes)
18. Dead Eye- Arthur
(Arthur’s Dead Eye has longer duration than John’s Dead eye in RDR1. And Arthur Shoots with both eyes open, whereas John closes one eye to Aim)
19. Supplies- Arthur
(Arthur has more and better tonics and provisions for healing, stamina & dead eye than rdr-1 John)
20. Mentally Strong- Arthur
(Stayed strong even in most depressing times one can ever face)
21. Agility- John.
22. Damage taking capacity- Arthur
( In Rdr1, John dies after getting hit by 4-5 bullets in gameplay, whereas Arthur dies after taking 9-10 bullets)
Arthur-John = 13-9
Arthur wins extreme diff.
Brave Arthur? Dude Arthur is a coward he literally said “Im afraid” 😂😂
Experience goes to Arthur not John
BIQ goes to John 😂
@@backlandjbreaker24Brevery is shown by acts, not by words, even a brave king is afraid before hard times, but when battle comes he fights abd destroys his enemies.
Without fear u cannot become brave, u only become brave when u overcome your fears.
And believe me it takes a lot of courage to sacrifice yourself for others, Arthur did the same.
Even if he says he was afraid, but his acts show courage and valour, can u sacrifice yourself for people?
Arthur knew he has little time left, and instead of thinking about himself, he cares more about others.
Even the bravest and most valorous kings in history were also afraid of many things. But does that make them coward, No!
They faced dark times with their full potential, that is what makes them brave.
What Arthur did in the end was truely an act of bravery.
And even if u want to give BIQ to John, still, the score would be 12-9.
Arthur Still wins.
And to be honest, I respect both Arthur and John Equally.
I just wrote what I analysed.
@@backlandjbreaker24okay now I gave experience to Arthur and BIQ to John, now happy?
Still score remains same.
And one more thing, John Dies very easily in Rdr 1 gameplay, 4-5 bullets, and he dies.
Whereas, in rdr2, both arthur and john have more health and dont die that easily in gameplay.
I experienced it myself.
@@backlandjbreaker24there is a difference between saying and reality.
By the way Arthur also says that I’m ignorant and ugly,
Do u think he is ugly, No right.
@@Skylark241 he doesn't die easily lmao and it was way more than 5 shots
Arthur Morgan is just as Strong as John Marston, I played the game.
W brotha🐐🗿
IMO arthur high diff
Yeah it could probably go either way, thanks man🤍
L take John mid-high diffs
+John outscales not debatable not close
@@Aclipsohe literally doesn't tho Arthur is clearly stronger 😂
@@Patatras_5325 not you again we already went over it 50 times
John in RDR would die in a few shots meanwhile Arthur can just pop Health tonics
I hate when it shakes so much cuz u can barely read any extra text
Gunfight I'll give to Arthur. I mean Arthur killed a few of the strongest Gunslingers of the Wild West without breaking a sweat when he was past his prime and while having TB. Compare that to John who did everything in RDR1 while in his Prime.
They weren’t the strongest gunslingers they were all frauds except for possibly midnight
You can do the same mission as John 😂
@@backlandjbreaker24Ye true but I personally think those missions was suppose to be done as Arthur they just gave them to John incase you didn't want to do them as Arthur idk but both good asf Micah is also in that category with Arthur and John to Micah has to get credit to
@@backlandjbreaker24 canonically it's Arthur who does it because that event takes place from Chapter 2-4.
@@nothmm8582 no it isn’t, Its a side quest that can be done as John too lol 😂
Dam my to favourite things nirvana and rdr 2
TALK ABOUT UNDERRATED
well by then john has more experience + arthur would’ve gotten better if it weren’t for tb
Both solo twd (W asf btw)
Finally someone who’s not glazing Arthur
Guys im gonna tell how arthur mid diffs(no glaze):
Arthur 1899 > john 1899, john 1907, john 1911. In fist fight
Arthur>John 1899, John1907, Arthur 1899
The song is 🔥
You can’t compare Arthur to John in rdr
You can
@@Reflex-Edits no you can’t Arthur is long dead by that time so it’s kinda unfair comparing rdr John with Arthur
Me personally Arthur wins in a gunfight like no disrespect to John but like Arthur is the fastest draw so agility is also Arthur he has way better reaction time I mean 0.350 to draw and he’s sick so like there’s that and he’s like the brute version of John basically
Yeah I agree because in the mission when Arthur dies in the standoff Arthur’s gun is already
Pointed at Micha chest and then puts it to his head I forgot what time but I know Arthur is faster than john
John wins in gunfight. He's literal beast with dead eye mode, like shooting all bullets for less, than 1 second.
@@rtqxh u just say it tho don’t prove it
@@Zenxegress just check it in RDR1. This is MUCH faster, than Arthur's.
@@rtqxh 😐
W edit bro
Suggestion: Shane vs Negan remake
Thanks and sure!
This is peak editing ❤❤
Arthur's obviously the better one
Nirvana is a good singer
Kirk
John def takes IQ, Arthur take BIQ
Nah john takes both
People that say: Arthur vs John🦍
People that say: Arthur and John🗿🫡
Racist?
@@Cyberdemon4how?
Well when you realize John can’t keep his mouth shut. Arthur slams. Realistically John should have been dead in RDR2 American Venom. He yelled for Micah and Micah was way better at that time. Also to all the people who say Durability goes to John. John had adrenaline all the times he was shot and mauled. Arthur had TB which ruined his Adrenaline. He survived fighting Micah just to lose because Dutch intervened on Micahs behalf. If your durable enough to still be non Killable when sick with a fatal disease. Adrenaline rushes don’t match.
Why not ArthurMorgan he sacrificed his life many times for duch a john 😢😢😢😢
and?
Alternative universe Arthur morgan with John marston on RDR1
W edit also whats the font for speed
Batman forever
arthur wins ngl
W edition and canonicaly yes i think but rdr2 protagonist Arthur,Jonh scales higher then rdr1 Jonh
My headcanon is that Arthur has a faster draw meaning he’d win in a classic duel but John has better aim and deadeye meaning he’d win in a gunfight
In gameplay John draws faster in RDR1 than Arthur + there's hardly any classic duels for Arthur to do unlike John in RDR1
@@wajajan697 That’s why It’s a headcanon
Arthur should have had durability. Micah couldnt kill a dying man
Endurance
Umm actually 🤓 John was shot like 25 times at the end of rdr1 he also survived the shot in Blackwater he survived the wolves. He survived the shot from bill and he was probably left there to bleed for hours and I can go on and on but I’m not.
Imo Arthur extreme diff but the song and edit goes to hard
W game, W music, W edit
Fist Fight:Arthur
Gun Fight:John
Its a fact that arturhs draw/reaction is better than johns even though john may have out drawed more random people arthur outdrawed the biggest legends of the west
Bro trying to revive grunge with rdr2 Vs edit
Wdym
@@Reflex-Editsthe music
No du Arthur is going to lose because John has so many more years of experience
Arthur had more experience he joined the gang first
John RD1 had more experience, John RD2 no
@@dudown_1631 John in rdr1 is the same dude who took off 4 years in farming and 8 years semi retired