Mormonism's compulsive lying problem
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My first ancestor who joined the church used to be a servant in wales and didnt know any english. She was convinced to come over to United States by a church leader and was immediately put into an arranged marriage by joseph smith. She was definitely entrapped into being a mormon wife
That's called sex trafficking.
Really? What was her name? How did you hear about this?
One of my first ancestors had that experience, too. Her father was already in the states but passed away before she was able to immigrate from Denmark. With no English, she came to Salt lake in the Willie Handcart Company and became a plural wife, sealed by Brigham Young. This unfortunately was an all-too-common situation. Another wife had documented how "mean" my ancestor was to her. I...kind of don't blame her, though. I'd be a little salty too
@jettkatz4722 her name is mary smallman watkins, if you google her name you can find a biography available online. Its the second entry on google
@jettkatz4722 this biography also contains some wild stories like she washed the feet of apostles and entertained them (whatever that means) and people still ask me why i have such issues with the church! The generational trauma runs so deep and has affected the whole family
“Pulled a religion out of his hat” is the best pun I have ever heard!!!!!
When I lived in a Mormon area, I was told the public library frequently had to replace “No Man Knows My History” by Fawn Brodie. Mormons would check it out and fail to return it because they didn’t want this Joseph Smith bio to be read.
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Seems stealing was ok also to keep the image, but they can't steal social media or youtube. So the lies must increase, the patching and plugging the cracks keeps the bible juggling all the time.
It's so liberating for me to just admit that I don't know anything about pretty much anything, and I no longer feel compelled to upkeep an image or juggle any cognitive dissonance. Being a Mormon is just juggling a bunch of lies. It's exhausting
no don’t switch names i can’t tell the difference
When I was a kid I would ask "Why Did all the "3 Whitneses "to the BOM left or got kicked out of the Church" They would just ignore me lol
To me they'd always say, "even after they got kicked out, they still never denied their testimonies!"
Probably scared of ol Porter, the destroying angel 😬
@@nomadicam Yep. That's what they say. "They never denied their testimonies." Which is really a pointless argument when you think about it. My response has always been: You mean that even after leaving the so-called "one true church", they never confessed to having been either (1) knowing participants in a hoax, or (2) foolish, gullible dupes who let Joseph Smith use them to promote his own agenda? What a surprise that they never admitted something like that publicly. It's almost like they may have had some concern about their own reputations.
@@nomadicamPorter Rockwell. I had to Google. Read the wiki on him. Must've been a scary sonofabitch.
Can confirm that zelph replies favorably to thoughtful critique. Said something about an offhand remark that bothered me and they responded super appropriately and thoughtfully. Exactly what sold me on them permanently and prompted me to patreon membership.
Awwww 💜💜💜
But how will people have morals without religion?
**Samantha and Tanner proceed to make an hour-long video about the importance of honesty.**
I grew up Mormon and eventually left after coming to terms with being a lesbian but never really did a deep dive on the endless can of worms that is the church. I've already been mad about all the trauma myself and my family endured while being members, but the more I learn the angrier I get. There have been a number of people who have asked me why x, y, and z weren't enough for me to leave before I did and the reality is that most everyday members don't know any of it. Abuse thrives in the dark.
Did you consider not living as a degenerate?
@@justinmccafferty6496they did, they stopped following a garbage religion.
Man, it’s like you didn’t even read the comment 🙃
The framing with the cat in the foreground is majestic. I'm watching as my own cat is staring into my soul imploring me to feed her early.
@Emily Lauren - "Imploring" is a good word for it!
That is not a cat, it is a bear
Even though this is old news to you guys, these videos are so important. Remember that someone who needs to hear this, is hearing it for the first time and still wanting it all the lies they believe to be true... Let that keep you passionate 🥰 I love you guys so much
Ahh thank you!!! You get us haha
@@ZelphOntheShelf I left the church really young, but just having someone to relate to and understand the damage done by these lies has been so cathartic. I don't live in Utah, so the plight of an Ex-Mo is pretty foreign to most people. I appreciate all you do. There is so much to love about Mormon people, and I feel like I still get that connection when I watch you guys ❤
Church when you lie about the mountain meadow massacre to investigators: 🤪👍❤️❤️🥰🎉✝️
Church when you lie about your income to feed your starving family: 🫵🧿🫦🧿
Who said they lied? Are you upset that Brigham Young wasn’t involved?
@@DRT279 my bishop lied to me about it for sure. While we’re at it here’s a few more lies the Mormon church tells. I doubt you’ll actually respond to them because you’re probably lying to yourself as well:
Joseph said quakers lived on the moon (there isn’t)
Brigham said people lived on the Sun (there isn’t)
THE ENTIRE SEC INCIDENT
They claim there is archeological evidence for the Book of Mormon (there isn’t)
They claimed the book of Abraham had unique plates they were translated from until the non Mormon community proved them wrong.
The claim horses, steel, and chariots were in the USA during early native times, none of them were.
I could go on for hours about lies the LDS church has told, if you’re intellectually honest and ready for a conversation of that caliber feel free to respond because I am more than happy to have one and even listen to your side of it
I couldn’t have put it any better!😅😂
@@DRT279he was… it was his idea to put glass in bags of flour and gift them to the natives
@@abbydenison3574 Oh geez! Now you're talking 🦇 💩 crazy stuff. You might want to keep your crazy to yourself. It's not a good look
My mother/brother/myself were Mormon, I myself was on the way to becoming an elder (was at the time a deacon) in our local church. I thank the gods that my mother is a sensible human in the end of it all though... they basically asked for most of her paycheck to maintain membership, to which she laughed in the bishop's face and we never went back.
Question: You thank the gods? Are you sure you are not still mormon?
I was horrified when I found out that the ‘One True Church’ had been lying to me my whole life. And I don’t understand how Mormon apologists can spin bs making excuses for lies told by church leaders. Does the church still have the Articles of Faith? If so, what about “we believe in being honest, true, chaste ……”? I was flabbergasted when you mentioned that brethren who have had their second anointing will still go to the celestial kingdom even if they commit sins worthy of excommunication. WTF?! That makes a mockery of what I was taught about the celestial kingdom. I shouldn’t have listened to this episode- the lies told and perpetuated by the Mormon church really p**s me off.
It is one true church. What other church has the complete gospel? It might be hard to choose just 1 because Google says there’s 41,000 different Christian churches in the world.
@@DRT279 and what proof is there that it has the complete gospel?
See my comment above. It might make your life easier. You're taking your religion way to seriously. It's all going to be good. Just let Jesus be your favorite Hebrew and you'll be fine. Been a Mormon for 45 years and I do what I can for others and try to live happily. Getting bogged down about every little thing about the church is insane. You want crazy, look at the Catholics or Islam. They make the Mormon church look perfect. Good luck.
@godspocket4019 no one makes the mormon church look perfect except maybe charles manson. if you.can live with the lies and deceit, that's on you, but don't try to downplay them.
@@chlyri OK, I'll live with it. Thanks for you response. Hope you find the happiness you're looking for. I'll pray for you.
Tanner is so knowledgeable about church history, I’m a never mo but religious in a very Mormon area and I desire to be as intelligent about my own religious history as you are about Mormonism. I totally credit you guys with helping the start of my deconstruction/reconstruction process in 2019 (and which is ongoing!) into a questioning and willingly changing person… yall keep me humble tbh!! Keep making videos I literally wait for them every week.
Another interesting thing to point out is that the book of Mormon says that David and Solomon's practice of taking many wives was an abomination, and God seems to have changed his mind in the doctrine and covenants, which says that I justified my servants, David and Solomon as to the practice of taking many wives. The Mormon missionaries like to tell you that God is not the author of confusion, but I'm still confused about this!
One of the funniest things about D&C 132 that seems to always go unnoticed by believing Mormons is that in the very opening statement of the "revelation" it is made clear that the whole thing was Joseph Smith's idea: "[I]nasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants...as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines...." Right from the start it's clear that God didn't just decide one day to deliver this revelation. God was happy saying nothing. But inasmuch as JS desperately wanted a justification for having "many wives and concubines"....
@@TEAM__POSEID0N translation " dear God, I'm horny as hell. Give me the green light"
I love the kitty staying on camera so long! I needed the cuteness as a pallet cleanser with the tough topic 🥰🐈
14:36 Even the cat is not buying what Joseph Smith had to say, lol.
I was in Utah last week. Shopping at the D.I., I couldn't resist taking a peek at the TEACHINGS OF THE PROPHET JOSEPH SMITH, a two-year manual for priesthood and Relief Society. Under PLURAL MARRIAGE in the index, there was one reference, that JS revealed the principle, NOTHING of his many plural wives and shenanigans.
INTERESTING 🧐
What I've noticed is that you're never awarded for honesty in the church. Anyone who gets high enough into it had to lie through their teeth
That's ALL reLIEgions for ya!!
@@MossyMozart I was deep in evangelical, charismatic,...Christianity for 25+ years and the same BS is being pulled in ALL of em. It's ALL about the Money 💰 🤑 💸 god and give give give....everything ya got and more. OBEY!!
The likes of Romans 13 is why ALL book gods exist. OBEY!!
Thinking about it, I'd say Mormons as a group often have this unapologetic Saul-Goodman-meets-Jack-Sparrow vibe that's kind of charming in the lay members and absolutely terrifying in the leaders, and is honestly probably why I prefer Mormons over fundagelicals and conservative Catholics in a pinch.
I didn't know tanner was poly! I've recently been questioning if im poly, and its a really strange think to unpack after leaving mormonism, because it never crossed my mind as something that affected me because mormonism is now so heavily monogamous due to the history of polygamy in the church which paints polyamory in a negative light and something "we only did back *then* and not now! now its sinful and bad!"
If mormonism still was poly would u do it now
You guys are so good. I love the earrings, Tanner! I'd love to see more of these about their lies. I remember going back to church after years of not going, and the contrast was huge. They handed me a Sunday school manual with a picture of Brigham Young on it and then inside was a picture of him and his wife. And they talked all about his wife. I looked through the book and there was nothing about his other 63ish wives. And I was shocked. Because I grew up when they actually admitted to that. I toured The Lion House in SLC And they showed us the rooms where his wives lived!! And I think they are admitting it again now, but there was years where they denied polygamy altogether. And they also denied that there was ever a rule against caffeine etc etc etc.
My grandmother made me actually get my can of coke out of her trash because she wanted to 'avoid the appearance of evil.'
True story. Not lying.
And everyone was telling me that it must've been my ward bishop teaching no caffeine because the church never taught that! That may seem small, but the lies were rampant! When BYU got caffeinated drinks they said, 'well nobody ever asked for them.' as their reason why they had no caffeinated drinks! We asked for them in our souls! But we were told it was a sin, couldn't get in the temple if you partook, so of course we didn't ask for it!
Jerks!
Those guys who did a RUclips channel The Three Mormons? Or something like that, were clearly hired to tell the church's lies! It was despicable.
Anyway, carry on! You guys are great!
I was raised in Virginia. On Sunday mornings when our parents weren’t around, we liked to watch a tele-evangelist called Ernest Angely. He used to “heal” people by speaking in tongues or talking really really fast and then concluding with a swift and powerful hand heel to the afflicted’s forehead with enough force to throw a person’s head back. To our elementary school selves that was delightful theatre! As I sat and listened to you all talk about the lying that the profit and his merry band of 12 dispense, it occurred to me that as goofball as I found Ernest Angely to be at least he was providing some entertainment value. The Mormon prophet and apostles are delivering the exact same shite, but offer no value at all. I mean it’s hands down all day the Ernest Angely hour over mormon general conference!😂
Yeah.... "They re-lied on it."
I wish my husband would leave the church with me. I’m so done with this church😪
Love the Kittycat Cameos. 😊
That's how they got me........ There's a lot more to it, but lying was part of it.
I have a theory that it is because of polygamy. Or more specifically its illegality. To the point where I have found that polygamists (or even their children) tend to lie about themselves right off the bat and smirk if you take them on face value.
I don't always take spiritual wives; but when I do, I lie through my teeth about it to everyone. (I was never here.) (No. That's not gaslighting. You must be crazy for thinking it is.)
It's funny, the compulsive lying seems to run deep in the veins of many members. Years after leaving, I'm still struggling to just be honest about little things to those I care about. So sad, I think, that I've really come to value honesty after leaving a church that really promotes it in it's doctrine.
Absolutely loved this video, amazing job! I am exMormon and I love deep diving into the true history of the church. I did want to point out that in the story of the interview with Steve Benson, after Oaks covered for Packer with the press and Benson pointed out that he had Oaks on record stating that he knew about the incident. Oaks then went back to the press and had them rescind the part where Oaks said that he had no knowledge of Packers talking to the bishop. Therefore, totally erasing the evidence of him lying and I believe the press did erase that part of the interview. If I am wrong about that part of the story, I apologize, I remember reading it somewhere.
Absolutely love the videos, keep them coming!
My father was told he had to have a child b/c his ancestor is Brigham Young. Like he didn't have enough descendants, he only had 70+ wives. Oh he is gay.
Well ur here now 😂so their purpose worked 😂 I don't condone poly but can understand it . I don't practice either but see the ways it is doing God's work making babies lol but I think u can do that with one woman
@@prettyfemme but there is a good chance I'm related to most of Utah. How many descendants does one man need? He doesn't even like women that way.
47:47 if they admit they're rich then they're admitting how unchristlike they are, and how little they've done with what they've been given, and how criminal they are.
50:50 if the Church was what it claims to be it wouldn't have to try to paint a positive spin on everything.
54:45 members are required to pay tithing in order to qualify for the highest kingdom. It shouldn't matter what they learn about the shady investments. Nothing should deter faithful members from paying tithing if the Church is true. Why are they so scared members might stop paying tithing? Do they know it isn't true?
Maybe the 12 "new" stakes were really the consolidation of 24 dwindling stakes...makes sense to me. That could definitely be happening each week/month, Mas o menos a few, of course!
My psychologist told me I’m incapable of lying to myself. I love that about me! Honesty is one of my most importantly values. I could handle a partner cheating on me, but I couldn’t handle them lying to me.
Honesty is a skill that can become second nature like lying can. When I comment on how easy it is to be truthful to someone who is just as capable with the opposite I usually respond with, ‘That is because I have had a lot of practice’.
Have a good day and kiss yourself in the mirror.
I feel like the act of cheating is a lie in of itself, but your point definitely stands.
Keep going to therapy and make sure you believe everything they tell you.
@@DRT279 I’ve never been in therapy. I was speaking of the psychologist who did the battery of tests to diagnose me. …but keep up the ignorant sarcasm, I’m sure it’s serving you well!😘
@@helenrene The situation I’m imagining is, say, hubby is drunk at a party and sleeps with some random person. If he comes home and tells me immediately, I’m not going to leave him over it. If he hides it and I find out another way… I’m out!
I learned some new things I hadn't ever heard thanks guys! Always enjoy listening!
"bait before switch". hahahahahaha. 🤣
aaw kitty cameo 15-ff
Tanner, did you actually say, "cluster fuck" ?
what a hoot, this episode
"This is the way it is, it will never change"... and then it changes 🤣
The best day in that sweet fuckers life was the day in June of 1844 (the 27th), when he was justifiably shot to hell. Seriously.
marcus
It boils my blood remembering how I watched the Joseph Smith First Vision video in the SLC visitor's center & how there were hardly any dry eyes in the room. He didn't die because of his testimony at ALL. How & why did I defend him all these years. Just a silly little quirk of mine I guess 🤪
Aww girl. You’re not alone. I cringe so hard at my TBM self from 15 years ago haha
I so appreciate the research that went into this. This video was clearly a labor of love for all of us suffering right now.
It's so true that the so-called prophets and apostles really try to do everything they can to imply that they're having special face time with Jesus regularly...or at least have had it at least once. But when put on the spot, several of them over the years have had to admit that they've never met with the big guy. Really makes them seem a lot less impressive when you find that out, combined with realizing that most of them are only in those elevated positions of authority because of nepotism. It gets to the point where if they were at least claiming that a likeness of Jesus appeared to them in a cinnamon roll or a spaghetti sauce stain...that would actually constitute an upgrade of credentials for them to be telling other people what Jesus wants.
Like Nelson's claim to know how Jesus feels about the "Mormon" nickname isn't even supported by a cinnamon roll.
How dare you! That was a very very relevant and important batphone call with Cheesus who personally told me to affirm that we should call ourselves members of the COJCOLDS!!! And not the name that we championed for ourselves for decades prior.
Great cat, and thanks for sharing this! Ya'll are helping a lot of people!
I haven't looked at it for years, but there used to be a RUclips entry of a surreptitious video taken during a missionary training class. There was an older teacher with a group of fresh faced youth. As a paraphrase, he instructed them that when a person to whom they are proteolyzing asks them an uncomfortable question, do not answer that question, but answer the question the missionary wished the prospect had asked. I remember the teacher SPECIFICALLY saying that it was called "lying for the lord".
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I have just scanned through 100s of YT videos of Mormons & missions, but cannot find that video today. Perhaps the channel has closed or it is buried under the onslaught of all the other videos.
If anyone out there knows where this video could be found (or possibly has a copy that they can repost) I'm sure we would all like to have access to the link.
Please ...
Awesome episode! Lying for the Lord boils my blood
You two both look so nice in this episode! No lies here!
They took my advice to shower and to not look homeless.
Love your guys' videos! I wish i could support but I am a broke college student with lots of loans so instead I always watch the ads on the videos in full, hopefully it helps! Keep it up!
Yo! My great great great grandfather was sued for child support because he kept sneaking over to the second wife he “ divorced” and got her pregnant. His older daughter testified as an eye witness.
Older daughter was my great great grandmother. 🙌🏽
Whoah
@@ZelphOntheShelf On that note, if there any legacy Park City folk out there with connections to the Crowther family, I’d love more dirt on this guy. 😁
( BTW The daughter’s grandson, my grandma’s dad, was a prominent member of the Park City Miner’s faction of the Industrial Workers of the World, which is probably why he abruptly uprooted his family and planted them in San Francisco, CA during the Depression. Apparently the LDS patriarchs in Park City didn’t like unions.)
Ok y'all always look slay but Tanner is SERVING today
nonono. Sam is SLAYING today.
@@figglebopthey can both slay, as a treat 🙏
@@Billie12208 There can be only one SLAYER. (jk)
@@Billie12208 but we switched names so who is who?? we may never know
Isn't he tho?!
I'm so glad to turn my screen back on to just find a beautiful kitty glaring into the camera
You two have a cool dynamic and manage to make it feel like we’ve been invited into your friends group for a while, I really like it!
In the evangelical world, it’s the same stories being passed around the country. Heard the hometown pastor tell the same story every summer. I went to see my cousin in New York (all the way across the country) and the same story, same people (but being claimed as their own story) was told by the pastor at their church. I realized this was a story told on the praise network back in 2003. Bs
WAIT! Spotlight is on the Mormon church for not reporting child abuse?
I want to hear more!!
michael rezendes, the pulitzer-prize-winning journalist from the “spotlight” investigation that exposed the sexual abuse coverup scandal in the catholic church recently wrote this about the lds church:
apnews.com/article/Mormon-church-sexual-abuse-investigation-e0e39cf9aa4fbe0d8c1442033b894660
Thank you for covering this. There was an ex-morman woman who used to do a podcast and it seems her channel has been taken down. Also, I recently wrote John bc it seemed that the internet was "scrubbed" from this term 'lying for the lord'. This Podcaster used this term in context of their "calling made sure" but I swear she'd said "short" instead of "sure".
Beautiful cat! ❤
YOUR CATS NEED TO BE IN YOUR VIDEOS MORE 🥺🥹I LOVE THEM❤
Knowing that they lied about the Urim and Thummim was one of the early cracks in my shelf
Where can I get my hands on those stories of JS and the treasure hunting and lying to farmers? Etc
Lots of places but here’s something really good! ruclips.net/user/live6p7gAxwsM_k?feature=share
I’m following the Vallow Daybell murder case and now I understand on a whole new level…..crazy
Instead of Freaky Friday it is Freaky Thursday.
If you know, you know.
Kindness reveals true beauty.☀️💕
Love you guys thanks for another one
Thanks for doing the gods work
Were Joseph and Fanny caught having sex in a barn?
Probably not. The only historical record with that detail comes from an 1872 account from William McLellin,[BIO] who claimed Joseph and Fanny were "caught in the act" of being "sealed" in a barn by Emma Smith.[BIO][50] In addition to the account being thirdhand and a recollection from many decades later, McLellin had been excommunicated for apostasy, had a personal vendetta against Joseph, and was an active participant in the Missouri mobs
Courtesy of the mormonr
Joseph Smith didn't pull his religion from his hat... not his hat, specifically! Ahem!
Have you seen photos of that brown, polished "seer stone"? Proof that in Mormonism [t]urds can be polished...and put into hats.
Happy blinking kitty!!!!!! He is Zen on the Shelf
I only lie to myself XD ((mostly in the form of my brain being really mean to me))
But one perk of being autistic and adhd is - I just don’t lie. If I’m asked a question - I tell the truth. I really don’t have the memory to tell lies XD I’m just super honest and if I don’t want to like
Say something mean
I don’t lie but I will strategically wiggle around the mean thing I might want to say
The cat has heard the prayers and has graced us with its presence.
Omgosh Samantha, when you yawned I did too, lol. Thankyou both for your good work.
I was raised strict LDS in a family of 7 children. IMO you have to be able to lie and be willfully ignorant to be in the church. As a preteen I found many of the teachings to be contradictory and unbelievable. But when I asked a question about the legitimacy of the doctrine and certain supernatural events that were claimed to be real I was scolded, talked down to, and ostracized. This treatment was by adults and kids my age. My parents lied to us because they were so ashamed if the did something against the church, like drinking caffeine or not wearing the holy underwear that they would LIE instead of telling the truth.
As a teen if I asked my parents about sex, alcohol or drugs, things a lot of nonLDS friends were doing the only answer they could give was that it was a sin and to abstain and stay away from anyone who isn’t LDS. It was a horrible childhood and teen years, the self hate the church’s teachings make you feel for being a normal human being were crippling. Perfectionism and competitiveness to be the better mormon was rampant in the church. I’m no longer LDS but my family is, They literally believe that I’m influenced by
Satan and are scared to be around me and my family. My SIL will literally move her kids to the other side of the room from us.
Very useful, informative video, would be cool if some sources could be linked. For the historic stuff.
Brilliant good chaps! It does seem that the "calling and election" can be used to justify one's actions, kinda like how a retired euro-queen symbolically breaks the "Wand of Office".
Love the cat
The first thing I did when I discovered this channel was look up _Zelph Mormonism_ 'General Zelph, Lammanite warrior. (Mormonism is even wilder than Christianity) I've learned so much watching you guys. You make a great team. Joseph Smith was really something, geeze.. what a character (con artist and sexual predator as well, yikes). If only he could see what his scam turned into two centuries later, he'd be very impressed w/himself. Americans were actually pretty well educated at that time. Most were readers. Thomas Paine was popular. Though you can see how he tried to make it sound more antiquated using _thee_ and _thou,_ etc even though people didnt speak like that any longer during the time he lived.
Smith just wanted to try Fanny out before he asked Emma’s permission to marry her, nothing wrong with a test ride.
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South Park told the story of Mormonism perfectly. Especially with the "Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb" music playing in the background.
Most important part starts at 13:55 ends at 16:48
It is SO strange to see you in swapped seats, the shock I felt when I opened the video was real LMAO
34:28 That was Shakespeare... "Methinks the lady doth protest too much"
Joseph Smith JR died Carthage Illinois 1844 with his brother Hyrum Smith after falsely being accused of treason...
what a breath of fresh air
I dont like lying for the lord. The lord dislikes lying.
RE 13:00 min mark: I just wanted to refresh everyone's mind about the 1831 word of God Joseph received that said: "he that keepeth the laws of God hath no need to break the laws of the land" (D&C 58:21) Too bad God couldn't foresee the Saints being in a state that had anti-bigamy laws on its books already (Illinois) at the time He was going to have Joseph get really serious about his practice of polygamy - Mormon God is a lot of things, but omniscient doesn't seem to be one of those things. 😉
It goes hand in hand with the rampant fraud amongst the brethren.
We agree! When ya have $$$$$$$$$$ and beyond, power and control prognosticators…and their own “language”…….. you will get entitlement, right wing, left wing “men” that desire to make their own news.
My thumb nail is in part a reference to Josephs Myth. Old Joe put his head deep deep into his old white and Lo, he conjured up the Book of Mormon. He did it again and Lo, he produced his interpretation of what he mistakenly claimed was The Book of Abraham . Joe's 3rd wife was Lucinda Morgan. First the wife of William Morgan, of The Morgan Affair, a Freemason kidnapping and murder of Morgan who was writing a book on the first 3 degrees of Freemasonry. Without permission. Consequently he was kidnapped and murdered by Knights Templar Freemasons. Some confessed to Thurlow Weed, he wrote a chapter in his autobiography. Joe was rooming with Lucinda and her husband when he took a fancy to Lucinda and with Mr Harris permission Lucinda married Joe. And when Joe Died she married Joe again!! For time and eternity and she married hubby Harris for Time. Such is the perversion call Mormonism. .
Lying is the cornerstone of our religion
The Mormons should do a joint venture with Watchtower!
This organisation is just as bad!
Keep up your good work!
Greetings from the Netherlands 🇳🇱
Greeting
34:32 It sounds like the same logic behind "he who smelt it, dealt it".
Was Joseph Smith some kind of supernatural catch me if you can character? Why isn't he a comic book superhero because he must have had superpowers to fool everyone the way he must of. He seems bisexual.
WAIT UP a widow cannot remarry in mormonism ????
She can’t be sealed to another man unless she gets the first sealing cancelled, which is usually extremely hard or even impossible!
A sealing is a special mormon marriage that is valid in the afterlife.
If you get a normal marriage from the government, that's only valid until you die.
So a woman, after her spouse dies, can get a new marriage from the government, but not the sealing.
While a man, after his spouse dies, can get sealed to someone else - so polygamy is still happening in the afterlife.
It’s not that hard. It happens all the time. They won’t say anything positive about the LDS church. They get paid to be negative
@Zelph On the Shelf omg that is sooo bad. If i understand correctly, marriage is at the center of mormon life (so much so that it was the plot of Charlie's sequel to not stay unmarried even for a second). How do widows deal with life when their husbands die? I'm dumbfounded.
@@beauxq that's just sad!
This is kinda funnd. i haven't watched many videos of yours but i think you've always sat the other way around and immediately my brain said THIS IS WRONG!
cool intro trick tho :D
yall know kwaku (how ever his name is spelled) that ward show he’s on him and those guys were reacting to a Christian (Jeff Durban) vid on Mormons believing they became their own god and they were laughing saying that’s not true that’s a “evangelical lie” and then kwaku went on an ex Mormons podcast (I can’t remember her name) and she asked him what he likes about Mormonism and he says “the deity when get to heaven” ….i was so pissed when I heard that cuz I always knew this and I have asked Mormons about it and they say it’s not true!!!!! Why lie about your belief????? It makes me mad
Y’all are awesome, but that cat is my favorite host.
if these two brats were in parts of Europe they would go to jail for hate crimes.... grow up guys.
lmao
🙈🙉🙊 These 3 guys remind me of how any cult member reacts when confronted with inconvenient truths.
You both look so amazing in this video ❤
Wait what was the name of that act that threatened to take away LDS church assets?
the Edmunds-Tucker act
@@ZelphOntheShelf Thanks!
Polygamy was allowed in Joseph Smith JR times but our church abolished polygamy in 1889
Enid and Wednesday?
My ad she is exquisite!
Great episode