Idk, I enjoyed both. The last wish is better but eh, they were both colorful and well made as far as kid movies go. With the Mario movie, it’s obvious that they were so busy cramming in as much references as possible for Nintendo fan service that the story become almost an afterthought-I mean, unlike Pixar or other kids films, you don’t have to waste time on world building new worlds. I mean, w the gigantic profit made, Nintendo is clearly about to unleash a flood of films. The kid market has been sorely underserved in cinemas and the glut of marvel films has something to do why this made so much scratch I see a Zelda movie in the works.
@@richgranados11the Zelda movie is gonna hurt if that comes out. I have 000000000% faith the writers or executives will care about the games, it will have to be Nintendo just peering over their shoulder to make sure they don't totally ruin it. Like they just did with Mario lol.
Dumbsville made a fantastic point that if we’re using the excuse “it’s just a kids film” for bad movies, the same applies for good movies. A good film doesn’t deserve the praise since it’s only a kids movie
@@robertyeah2259 I disagree. The Zelda franchise is by its nature more mature and spiritual than mario. Zelda is deeper and more profound. That being said, illumination would be a poor choice for adaptation although their production quality has improved. Well, maybe they could if they had a better screenwriter/director. I’m thinking if a24 met illumination animation.
That doesn’t automatically diffuse the argument, though. They *are* kid’s movies. Even a great kid’s movie shouldn’t be judged by the same criteria as an adult cinematic experience. The Mario movie is fine and fans enjoy it. Believe it or not, they’re not wrong for enjoying a movie. It’s just obnoxious, elitist, and pretentious to knock people who do. Even jabs I see people making about the script don’t account for the actual set-ups, payoffs, callbacks, and other more successful screenwriting elements I noticed in the movie, including more visual storytelling at times that didn’t rely on exposition. It’s not a great script, but it’s efficient and competent. I think the Sardonicast boys and their fans need to stop sniffing their own farts with stuff like this.
Near the end of the Movie, Bowser is taunting Mario to come out and fight and stop being a coward, then when Mario actually does it Bowser just responds with “ugh you never know when to quit do you?”
I liked the part at the end when Seth Rogan pointed out that Bowser had shrunk from eating the small mushroom. I wouldn’t have known that Bowser shrunk from eating the small mushroom if Seth Rogan didn’t say something, even though he said the same thing to Chris Pratt when Chris Pratt shrunk from eating the small mushroom in the coliseum earlier. You see, it’s funny because the reference in of itself is supposed to be the joke. Because in the video game, when Mario gets a small mushroom, he shrinks. Do you get it? I got it. True comedy gold!
Not the biggest fan of the movie but come to think it, that’s the joke. Bowser is so angry at mario that he just says the first bully/villain line that comes to his head without a second thought. Maybe if the execution were to be better you would’ve realised that, I certainly didn’t notice this myself.
As a Mario fan, I had fun with this movie, but objectively speaking, it’s so bare bones basic. And seeing people say that this movie is great BECAUSE it’s so simple and has no deeper meaning or themes or anything unique, that’s pretty sad. You’re basically saying “all I need to be entertained are bright colors flashing for 90 minutes.”
I think it could have been simple and still been a lot better in the story department, or turned that simplicity/straightforwardness into an asset, a la Totoro or WALL-E (I know this is Illumination but still). As is, it’s just largely subjective enjoyment for me.
Yeah I agree that we shouldn’t be setting the bar low just because it’s a movie about mario, super mario as a concept has the potential to be something absolutely incredible or somewhat of a masterpiece in the big screen I could be wrong but You can still make a basic movie without taking any risks that’s also amazing. However I suppose this ain’t entirely bad, they’re just literally replicating whatever’s from the source material. And I guess they gave the fans what they wanted and the fans got it so they’re happy with it
I feel like most (level headed) people have the same sentiment. I actually went in with pretty low expectations and I still had a pretty good time. If I saw it again with someone else I’d be about it but I think like most fan outcry, it came from A) the critique reviews prior to the movie B) so many people calling it garbage that people feel justified to like it more. It’s an OKAY movie that is fun to watch and yeah I think most people want more from that and maybe the inevitable sequels can have that (I hope).
I felt the story being simple was okay for me because it focuses more on stringing together the action, similar to how I felt about Avatar 1, but it works a little more here for me because it's only an hour and a half, and is based on something more simple. However, the argument that the story is too simple is very valid, it just didn't bother me too much personally, because the film had enough else going for it.
I actually asked ChatGPT which song it would play during the Take On Me sequence, and it actually told me that it would use the Donkey Kong Country theme. Great job Illumination.
I still don't get how during a sequence in which the music takes the foreground, an AI would judge it appropriately to use Take on Me in a Mario movie but whatever.
It was also so funny that instead of the blue shell being an item that someone pick up and throws, they had to make it that blue shells are kamikaze attacks.
That became an inside joke between me and my brother. I told him, “That’s the kind of shit we would say when were unimaginative kids playing with toys, announcing the special final move.”
The true irony of people defending this film as children’s entertainment is that, if any series has ever represented going the extra mile for children’s entertainment, it’s Super Mario. Nintendo has NEVER used their target audience as an excuse to be lazy.
I do find it hilarious that the movie grossing a Billion is a game changer and a reaction to Disney which hilarious as it was as predictable as the video games getting so much money. Hilarious of all given that it’s an Illumination film.
Alex was dead on with the sexual horror of Alien, one of the script writers said: "That's scary because it hits all of our buttons." O'Bannon felt that the symbolism of "homosexual oral rape" was an effective means of discomforting male viewers" Even if you dont consciously pick up on it I think it gives men a taste of the fear of rape that most of them have never felt. This is part of the reason i rank it up there with The Exorcist and The Shining as one of the best of the horror genre, great characters, well shot and nails a unique type of fear in a timeless way
true stuff. really interesting comparison too. reminds me of Deliverance. the horror and disturbing tone in that movie is essentially built off of that same idea
Giger also called out child r*pists and the social hipocrisy around this issue in a very explicit satirical cartoon he published once. I don't remember where it was published, but I found about it on The Giger artbook Made by Taschen. Seems like the awareness around this type of fear was shared by a large part of the team
It's hysterical how In the Avatar (2009) episode, Adum appreciated James Cameron as an artist. But after Avatar 2, he realized his schticks as a writer, which soils his own retrospective, calling him a hack. (He'll probably hate The Abyss and True Lies)
He’s just needlessly negative at times. “He’s got a fetish for water” because he makes films with ocean elements and themes. A lot of projection to make stuff that has no business being compared as sexual lol
@@luigiwiiUU it could very well be but that doesn’t retroactively make Aliens bad, feels like he just went into this with “James Cameron is a hack” mindset and didn’t even take in the majority of the film. To call it visually bland and have almost no likeable characters is just a goofy take.
@@spidermcjones6371 yes. Even I felt like Cameron loves water more than anything and would do anything for the characters to stay there. But won't call him hack or lazy.
@@abhilashpanda5758 he loves Jodorowsky who has multiple rape scenes in many of his films, multiple scenes containing literal faeces, yet Cameron is the fetish artist for loving the ocean? I get that he’s just trying to be funny with it but it’s just so weird to sexualise a guys interest for no reason. It’s projection at its finest, no one asks him why he loves the lion king obsessively but we all know that it’s tied to his furry shit
I'm glad yall talked about Alien directly after the Mario movie. Anytime I watch a "meh" movie (like the Mario movie) I always think "I could have just watched Alien instead"
While I enjoyed the movie for what it is I’m glad they pointed out how annoying twitter is when comes to popular hyped movie and how people are so quick to attack any reviewer or critic for not loving or praising the new hyped up flim
It's a downward spiral, the critic gives a reasonable review and says others are free to like it, then they still get attacked, then they respond and it only escalates the discussion acting like the reviewer is being sensitive
I really wished they used more of the Mario tracks because when they used remixed those classic Mario tracks it was actually nice, worst part definitely was the horribly used licensed music
They actually composed music for all the scenes that the licenced music replaced. You can find them on RUclips. Take on Me replaced a rendition of the Donkey Kong theme
@@foursidekm yeah I heard about that, illumination should’ve realized Mario fans would’ve eaten up Mario music ten times more than licensed to death songs
@@newthejsterjacob408 I think the licensed music is there for non mario fans. Apparently the composer had to fight to put the super star theme during the final battle. The higher-ups wanted jump by van halen instead
The Mario movie is really just Mario solving all his problems using recognizable items from the games. It doesn’t even do the movie thing where the character learn about a power up and later use it in a surprising way to solve a problem
I see the Mario movie as Nintendo just dipping their toes into the medium, playing it super safe just to see how much potential is there to expand their reach. They've been really unsure about it since the catastrophic failure of the first Mario movie, and we know there have been several projects started and quietly cancelled over the years. Like, they KNOW there's a lot of money in the film industry but no idea how to approach it. Hopefully this success will give them the confidence to do something more original next time.
''omg they're ruining this generation with these kids movies having shitty stories and forced pandering'' ''this story is kinda mid and has forced pandering'' ''omg it's a kids movie about a kids game why do you care, are you literally incapable of having fun ever?''
Corridor Crew talked about how the 90’s live Mario movie was actually revolutionary and changed cinema and the standards still used today in digital VFX. It’s pretty awesome.
Ridley Scott, similar to Francis Ford Coppola, made his best films at the beginning of his career. So the bar is SUPER HIGH to them. I would say...IMPOSSIBLE to reach
something that i don't see getting discussed is that nintendo is also to blame for the movie being so bland, when it comes to Mario, story, Nintendo is very creatively bankrupt, and always plays it safe, this is most noticeable in the sharp decline in quality in paper mario's story, i think even if they got sony or pixar or even studio Ghibli the movie wouldn't have turned out much better because of how safe nintendo plays their IPs when it comes to storytelling, in a way illumination was the perfect studio to handle this because of how creatively bakrupt and boring they are, the mario movie is shit because of Nintendo not only Illumination
Agreed, for me Ripley finding out she outlived her daughter definitely added context to why she wanted to save Newt and too me at least added more to her character and makes Alien better in retrospect because you realise what she is fighting for
At this point I’m starting to feel like Adum’s issue with kids in films is more a weird eccentricity than legitimate criticism. I agree with him that kids in horror films are annoying and unnecessary most of the time, but his complete visceral disgust at child performances feels kind of neurotic. Newt is the weakest part of Aliens in terms of the acting, I guess, her acting is stiff as anything at times, but she’s ultimately of a piece with the more action-oriented tone of the movie.
The manic, toxic fandom that sprang up from the Mario movie is unreal. Like, I'm a lifelong fan of the games and I just thought it was....fine? It never slowed the fuck down to develop its characters and their relationships; it was just things happening! Constant references! And yet these people are acting like it's the second coming and anyone who dislikes it is a stupid baby.
I see people begging for Zelda and Metroid movies made by Illumination, and I feel like this is the result of someone making a wish on a cursed Monkey Paw for Nintendo movies to happen. This feels like it’s the worst possible version of Nintendo movies becoming a thing, and can’t help but assume this shit will burn itself out 5x faster than superhero stuff.
I mean it could've been the next LEGO movie, and I'd still agree, I liked it a bit more than you personally, but why are people sooo toxic, it's unbelievable some of the toxic defending I've seen, are people genuinely so out of touch with their securities, they have to slander people who didn't enjoy a film when they themselves haven't seen it yet.
Pfft, you expected the movie to be good? It’s a dumb baby movie, that means you can’t expect a baby movie to be good! But also don’t say anything bad because then you’re against my childhood video game character and by extension me!!
I had the exact same reaction to that same scene Adam was describing. It’s still etched in my brain. But I didn’t destroy my experience like it did for him
Alien for me is technically the better film, but my personal preference is Aliens because of how it combines some of the horror elements from the first film and blends it with action to make it stand out from its predecessor without being too derivative. I'm also glad these two movies heavily inspired one of my favourite game series, Metroid.
Ralph reviews Alien movies like a 12 year old. "When this happened was pretty cool, and then this happens and it was super cool, but remember when that happened? Oh man, that was also very cool".
Because he basically does have the mind of a 12 year old and every day I pray that he's completely cut out from the podcast. You can tell Adum barely tolerates him to the way he reacts to his dullard commentary.
@@dickthebirthdayboy2132 I disagree with 80% Adam says, but at least is interesting listening to someone else's well thought perspective. Alex sits in the middle, with never anything controversial but still puts out his opinion eloquently. Then Ralph, struggling to catch up, shallow observations that never stay in one topic/area/scene for more than 10 seconds
There was a point in the movie where Mario, Peach, and Toad are talking to Cranky in his throne room, and I was completely distracted by two things. 1) There was no echo in that big ass throne room. It sounded like they were in a sound room. 2) The lip syncing was so fucking off that I didn’t even know what they were talking about.
Sometimes l wonder if Adam and l even watch the same movie. Like, you don’t see any sexual undertone in Alien at all? Maybe he’d pick up on it if there was a gay lion in the film
The Blue shell can hit any place not just first. Other players can be hit by the impact of the shell so it still made sense that it kamikazes Mario, DK and the other part of Rainbow Road.
A few in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, I was first and when I realized the blue shell was going to target me, I stopped driving so it hit the person who drove past me but it still hit me when I wasn't first.
@@MindlessMagic ~10000 in MK8D online here. This is exactly what I was thinking about while I was watching that sequence. Imagine if the movie was creative enough to have the two karts try to fight it out to fall behind each other to avoid the blue shell. They could've been so, so clever with the Mario Kart stuff. But instead it's just "WOW, DUDE RAINBOW ROAD!" Mindbogglingly lazy storytelling.
I just watched Alien for the first time last night, as funny as it is hearing them talk about the jazz hands scene in the vents, that scene in particular made me jump more than any scene in recent memory. Usually not a fan of jump scares but it was very earned & the fear lasted longer than being startled.
I usually agree with Adum's opinions a lot of the time, but god damn do I love Aliens. To me it works perfectly as what it's trying to be: a kickass action movie. It's like the blueprint for how to write a good one. Totally see where Adum's coming from, though. If having sort of archetype, corny-dialogue sporting characters ain't your thing, this just ain't gonna work for ya.
Honestly when I watched it I got annoyed so much at how auto pilot it is Like mario just goes wahoo or what ever but something like the rpg games or sunshine is so much more interesting then "mario your disappointing me your father, oh wait you made me proud" "Im peach i was born from the real world but this is my real home" Like Jesus christ the same shit from like ants, or ice age, or cloudy with a chance of meatballs For mario, a grown ass plumber fighting a dragon and monkey with a racoon suit
@@idontcare9672 a lot of that stuff was honestly an unexpected surprise in the film giving the Bros a family and even addressing Peaches backstory and making it a part of her character really gave the movie its own uniqueness from what we already know about the characters.
Critics bad until critics like what I like and then critics good because “See guys? Even the critics like it, so if you don’t like it you’re objectively wrong!”
Obsessive fanboys: “So what if the story is predicable and the characters are all one-dimensional? It’s a Mario movie, fuck the critics!” Fanboys: *also get mad that Avatar is successful with pretty visuals covering up a thin story and 1D characters, and act shocked when those live-action Disney remakes keep making money based on nostalgia alone, despite critics hating those as well*
Most gamers aren't that much into movies or anything outside of games, the likely hood of the same "audience" complaining about avatar is probably not the same defending this movie. If anything the most in the middle opinions are animation reviewers, more so than film reviewers they had fun while also pointing out the flaws and reminding people that critics can also have valid points. But man Fanboys fucking SUCK LOL!
My expectations for the Mario Movie were very low going into it, and I came out not liking it. The movie was pretty much exactly what I expected it to be, if not much worse. It’s the same reason why I don’t like any of Illumination’s films outside of the first Despicable Me movie. It’s just a nothing burger that only exists to remind me of a franchise that meant a lot to me as a kid, which only made me dislike the film even more because of that.
I think what Alex and Ralph are missing about the Harry Potter TV series is the early books are short and it’s supposed to be a book per season. How do you get that much content out of a 200 page book? They may fail to capture the audience’s interest before they even get to the longer books.
Alien section was classic Adum. Dude getting autistically hyperfixated on one tiny moment that doesn’t actually matter in the grand scheme of the film and then spending most of his review ranting about it
Everyone who criticizes adums remarks is like "he's just nitpicking stuff like the acting and the creature design" that's the whole fucking movie. I don't know a single review of adums where he's actually hyper fixating on something tiny except for when he's riffing on it as a joke. It's always, he has a problem with some major aspect of the film and the comments are all "wow way to nitpick by commenting on the cinematography"
ihe is the type of nintendo fan i like, he likes nintendo, he grews up with them, but he's not super duper obsessed with Nintendo to the point where he's going to defend nintendo's shitty actions.
I’ve been looking forward to your guys’ thoughts on the Mario movie. I’ve been a little confused as to the praise for this movie. Why does everyone trash on movies for relying on references to the original source material, but all of a sudden when Mario does it, you’re not allowed to critique it for that.
The movie had References but a lot weren’t in your face or stopped the movie to point them out. And the ones that did felt natural to the unique world they created like the Lego movies and not like Ready Player one or Space Jam 2.
@@robertyeah2259 I don’t think references were the priority I think just making the story Simple and effective like the Mario games are translated to the screen. Even the Mario rpgs have very simple easy to follow stories.
@@SuperGamerxlI don’t know I was never bored during the Mario RPGs. The characters were all funny and likable and I didn’t get that from the movie. It was just loud, obnoxious and in-your-face with everything. And the RPGs (at least Thousand Year Door and Super Paper Mario) have offbeat and interesting plots involving demons, crime infested cities, and love stories across many years. The stories were simple but the movie is still too simple for me. It was like watching nothing
I like the Mario movie for what it is as a lifelong fan, but I’m tired of it being defended as “just for kids” (exclusively by adults) as an excuse for its flaws. That’s not an excuse to put out an inferior product. It’s not that it’s a simple story, it’s that it’s a poorly put together one. As a result, I enjoyed the sum more than the whole; it’s a fun novelty rather than the best adaptation it could have been. EDIT: okay I agree with Adam’s points but at 7:35 I’m not a fan of him saying “if you can roleplay as a baby and enjoy this movie as a baby then good.” Especially after claiming just because he says the movie is for babies doesn’t mean he’s calling anyone a baby?
But the shallow Story combined with all the easter eggs everywhere and the short runtime encourages actually rewatching the movie multiple times to find all the easter eggs as the Story is mostly irrelevant anyway and you aren't turned off by already knowing itr. Also I think it would have probably hurt the audience it reaches right now, which is casual rare movie watchers, Nintendo fans and Families with children. The movie simply isn't made for people that go regular to the cinema and search for more than having fun and turning off your brain.
The story isn’t really hallow it’s Simple and honestly that’s what has made Mario endure for so long and if you want to make a Mario movie or adaptation of any other medium making the plot simple is what you need to do. It really do aspect’s of Mario over the years to create it’s own unique world and it’s interpretation of characters and even changing them around to create their own identity.
@@happymoomoocow I feel like however this would turn some of the audience off that the film is reaching. It is exactly this simplicity people are looking for in a world of overcomplicated movies.
I like the part when Mario gets mocked for an exaggerated Italian accent and then the guy who voices Mario and has similar clothes to Mario says “it was-a good, wahoooo” and then jumped like Mario and nodded at Mario and Luigi. It’s a deep reference because it’s the guy who voices Mario, and he looks and talks like Mario in da games! You memeber da games right?
I'm almost completely indifferent to Nintendo, but I had a lot of fun watching the Mario movie and thought it was pretty charming. I honestly can't bring myself to seriously criticize anything significant about it. Yeah, the plot was extremely simple, but I didn't mind somehow, the action and character interactions made it work for me.
Three men spend at least 15 minutes deeply discussing a movie with no depth. Its an ad and they call it an ad. Adam us dumbfounded why a gigantic corporation is making corporate decisions. More at 11.
At the laser tag place I always went to as a kid the starting sound that would play in everyone’s like pack was “Let’s rock” and then when the game ended it would play “game over man game over” I always thought that was so funny of the place as a kid and then I saw Aliens and I was like oh my god it was a reference the whole time!
when adum was winding up to talk about his complaint with alien, i really thought he was about to drop an inclusion joke, but no, he really has problems with alien.
I love animation and a lot of stuff made "for children", animated films and shows are my go to comfort media. Have binged Bluey multiple times. Have throughly enjoyed many Nintendo games throughout my life. After watching the Mario movie I felt I got next to nothing out of the experience and was just left thinking "yeah this is not made for me as an adult like at all" like eating a bunch of sugary candy in place of a meal. It just actively annoyed me way too much to be enjoyable, and I don't enjoy being a hater or raining on people's parades. I dislike Illumination movies as a whole and tried not to have negative expectations because of that, but it's just so obviously an Illumination production made to promote the new nintendo world add on at Universal Studios. And a film being made mainly to promote something like a theme park isn't inherently bad, but it's something about Illumination and how they do it and make their movies that just doesn't work for me. And the rabid fans attacking critics and people who dare speak negatively about the movie are so obnoxious. It's like some people seriously want to see critics stripped of their right to express their opinions now because they said Mario movie's not that great. I've enjoyed films that a majority of critics disliked before and vice versa, it never effected me because I know human beings have different reactions and connections to art and media. Like it's not that serious, and I wouldn't be so bothered about the film if I hadn't seen so many reactions from people like them. Anyways yeah Mario movie is def made for goo goo babies sorry.
4:49 The song selected choices are pretty bad and I hate Illumination just didn't know the themes or any type of selecting songs that didn't match including the Kill Bill theme or Take On Me theme wasn't fit very well. Should blame the music supervisor because the situation is that not fitting music competes with the tone unless it fits alright. I know, Karsten actually proved that in his Music Choice video that it should fit in a proper tuning way instead of picking some random choices.
It's not very horrifying if you think about it. We have free will in the microsense, but the choices we make depend on who we are, something we don't really have any control over. We don't decide what genes we have and who our parents are. So basically nothing changes lol
@@yggdrasil2 Respectfully, it is horrifying because if our wills are not free then morality is really *meaningless* . All moral language - right and wrong, praise and blame - makes sense only when addressed to free persons, not animals or machines (which Adam seems to think humans are like).
@@kairos_fluent But we have free will in the microsense. We can make our own decisions. The only thing we lack a choice in is what motivates us towards certain decisions. Get what I'm saying? Nothing really changes.
@@yggdrasil2 I'm not arguing friend, I agree in what you said originally, that certain things may influence or condition us. I just fully reject that hard determinism where Adam said free will is an illusion, that's just truly dehumanizing since free will is *necessary* for morality.
@@kairos_fluent I'm not exatcly arguing either, guy, I was more trying to lift your spirits and show that it's npt as bad as it might seem at face value, because I assumed that Adam didn't mean it in the hard, nihilistic sense. I'm curious why you think he does.
Especially after recently watching Puss in Boots 2, Mario was fucking boring and terribly forgettable. I understood the references but if I wanted video games references dumped on me I'd become a Redditor
A lot of the issues with the look of the exterior space shots (and a lot of others) in Aliens are because of James Cameron's horrible remastering for the blu-ray release, unless they fixed that (by returning it to the color balance and high grain of the original negative) for later blu-ray editions. But the first one, at least, was Lucased big time when it comes to the color balance and overall look.
Lucas directed Star Wars, AND The Phantom Menace. Ridley directed Alien AND Alien Covenant..Peter Jackson directed The LOTR Trilogy AND the Hobbit Trilogy... Sometimes you shouldn't go back to the franchise that made you....
Does anyone know in which episode they talked about Michael Haneke's opinion on Schindler's List? I remembered listening to that part before and found it very interesting and I want to listen to it again, but I can't find it anywhere. Thx
I love Alien but its too freaking terrifying for me to ever rewatch, at least any time soon, not that i need to, i understood everything clearly in it, but man, well designed aliens freak me the fuck out, i already get freaked by wasps and shit irl which are like the most alien looking motherfuckers we have.
I feel like you have to also understand that the lazy script was probably as much Nintendo's fault as Illumination. The guy who made Mario, Shigeru Miyamoto, has had a track record of literally disliking video game stories and has gone out of his way on numerous occasions to make certain games have less story. Link's Awakening, Majora's Mask, and Mario Galaxy all had story elements that he didn't like because they actualy took risks and were interesting, so I get the feeling that the Mario Movie is so uninteresting and risk free is partly because of him, because he thinks risky and new ideas make for poor stories. I'm sure that the sequel will be just as bland and uninspired as well.
I grew up with Mario and it’s my favorite franchise. But I did not like this movie at all. And the discourse surrounding this movie has made it so not fun to talk about.
i'm glad you pointed out the tunnel scene where the alien just throws up its hands, i noticed this on a later rewatch like maybe my 4th when i was older and just thought that's weird, it's like it's just gonig "BOO"
Saw the Queen puppet and loader robot (complete with Ripley mannequin) in a museum exhibit as a kid, years before i ever saw the movie. It was terrifyingly awesome.
11:41 sorry Adum, I hate when people say this shit. Just because Mario games have the same basic story, that doesn’t mean they’re “making the same games over and over again.” Mario has undergone more gameplay changes and innovations than any other series. Smooth brained argument.
Compare Halo, a series Adum loves, to Mario. There is a world of difference between Galaxy and Odyssey, but the only difference between CE and Infinite is a grappling hook and a half baked open world.
To be fair I don't think he's played a mario game besides party. But there's definitely an argument to what hes saying like the number of overpriced mario sports and partys that are just the same game and people always buy because its mario. But when origami king released he said its recycled from epic yarn for having a similar art style which is the most kimba thing to say ever so maybe he does mean "they make the same games" in the most surface level way.
The most memorable part of the Mario movie was the palpable sexual tension between Luigi and Bowser. Can’t wait for the love triangle between Bowser, Luigi and Peach in the next movie!
It's interesting that YMS criticize the alien suit because at some point, Alien was on Robert Aldrich radar so he was about to direct it and his choice for the alien's design is a fully shaved monkey. Imagine that.
Mario movie is soulless down to the title: “The Super Mario Bros. Movie.” I think at this point we should understand that MOST animated films titled “The _____ Movie” are going to be bad.
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Nobody ever pulls out the "its just a kids movie" for puss in boots: the last wish, because it was just a well made movie
Idk, I enjoyed both. The last wish is better but eh, they were both colorful and well made as far as kid movies go. With the Mario movie, it’s obvious that they were so busy cramming in as much references as possible for Nintendo fan service that the story become almost an afterthought-I mean, unlike Pixar or other kids films, you don’t have to waste time on world building new worlds. I mean, w the gigantic profit made, Nintendo is clearly about to unleash a flood of films. The kid market has been sorely underserved in cinemas and the glut of marvel films has something to do why this made so much scratch
I see a Zelda movie in the works.
@@richgranados11the Zelda movie is gonna hurt if that comes out. I have 000000000% faith the writers or executives will care about the games, it will have to be Nintendo just peering over their shoulder to make sure they don't totally ruin it. Like they just did with Mario lol.
Dumbsville made a fantastic point that if we’re using the excuse “it’s just a kids film” for bad movies, the same applies for good movies. A good film doesn’t deserve the praise since it’s only a kids movie
@@robertyeah2259 I disagree. The Zelda franchise is by its nature more mature and spiritual than mario. Zelda is deeper and more profound. That being said, illumination would be a poor choice for adaptation although their production quality has improved. Well, maybe they could if they had a better screenwriter/director. I’m thinking if a24 met illumination animation.
That doesn’t automatically diffuse the argument, though. They *are* kid’s movies. Even a great kid’s movie shouldn’t be judged by the same criteria as an adult cinematic experience. The Mario movie is fine and fans enjoy it. Believe it or not, they’re not wrong for enjoying a movie. It’s just obnoxious, elitist, and pretentious to knock people who do. Even jabs I see people making about the script don’t account for the actual set-ups, payoffs, callbacks, and other more successful screenwriting elements I noticed in the movie, including more visual storytelling at times that didn’t rely on exposition. It’s not a great script, but it’s efficient and competent. I think the Sardonicast boys and their fans need to stop sniffing their own farts with stuff like this.
Near the end of the Movie, Bowser is taunting Mario to come out and fight and stop being a coward, then when Mario actually does it Bowser just responds with “ugh you never know when to quit do you?”
I liked the part at the end when Seth Rogan pointed out that Bowser had shrunk from eating the small mushroom. I wouldn’t have known that Bowser shrunk from eating the small mushroom if Seth Rogan didn’t say something, even though he said the same thing to Chris Pratt when Chris Pratt shrunk from eating the small mushroom in the coliseum earlier.
You see, it’s funny because the reference in of itself is supposed to be the joke. Because in the video game, when Mario gets a small mushroom, he shrinks. Do you get it? I got it. True comedy gold!
I noticed this too it was irritating
@@N1ght_walk baby movie goo goo gah gah
Not the biggest fan of the movie but come to think it, that’s the joke.
Bowser is so angry at mario that he just says the first bully/villain line that comes to his head without a second thought.
Maybe if the execution were to be better you would’ve realised that, I certainly didn’t notice this myself.
Sounds like an Illumination movie alright. Their scripts exist from moment to moment. It's a wonder that they're ever any kind of coherent.
As a Mario fan, I had fun with this movie, but objectively speaking, it’s so bare bones basic. And seeing people say that this movie is great BECAUSE it’s so simple and has no deeper meaning or themes or anything unique, that’s pretty sad. You’re basically saying “all I need to be entertained are bright colors flashing for 90 minutes.”
I think it could have been simple and still been a lot better in the story department, or turned that simplicity/straightforwardness into an asset, a la Totoro or WALL-E (I know this is Illumination but still). As is, it’s just largely subjective enjoyment for me.
Yeah I agree that we shouldn’t be setting the bar low just because it’s a movie about mario, super mario as a concept has the potential to be something absolutely incredible or somewhat of a masterpiece in the big screen
I could be wrong but You can still make a basic movie without taking any risks that’s also amazing.
However I suppose this ain’t entirely bad, they’re just literally replicating whatever’s from the source material.
And I guess they gave the fans what they wanted and the fans got it so they’re happy with it
I feel like most (level headed) people have the same sentiment. I actually went in with pretty low expectations and I still had a pretty good time. If I saw it again with someone else I’d be about it but I think like most fan outcry, it came from A) the critique reviews prior to the movie B) so many people calling it garbage that people feel justified to like it more. It’s an OKAY movie that is fun to watch and yeah I think most people want more from that and maybe the inevitable sequels can have that (I hope).
I felt the story being simple was okay for me because it focuses more on stringing together the action, similar to how I felt about Avatar 1, but it works a little more here for me because it's only an hour and a half, and is based on something more simple. However, the argument that the story is too simple is very valid, it just didn't bother me too much personally, because the film had enough else going for it.
@@stripes-2250 wdym by so many people calling it garbage? Audience wise this movie is getting a ton of praise
I actually asked ChatGPT which song it would play during the Take On Me sequence, and it actually told me that it would use the Donkey Kong Country theme. Great job Illumination.
I would have loved the DK64 DK Isle theme in one of its many versions playing throughout the game.
Funny you say that. This was the song that Take on Me replaced ruclips.net/video/fSMFdQU745Q/видео.html
Didn’t they criticize the movie for using music from the games as nostalgia pandering? No matter what they chose these guys would’ve complained
Lmao
I still don't get how during a sequence in which the music takes the foreground, an AI would judge it appropriately to use Take on Me in a Mario movie but whatever.
Three horror movies in one podcast?
Aliens is an action movie actually
In a sense
Great one also Zorak that was good as well but I would expect nothing less with that username
@Zorak
...and a horror movie.
@@BigBrosFilms 🤓
I like the part where the guy said “blue shell” and then became the blue shell, otherwise I wouldn’t have known he was the blue shell
And they fucked that one up, the blueshell goes after people in 1st place, not 2nd place.
And then proceeds to commit suicide bombing.
Audibly sighed with my head in my hands when I heard that line. My spirit broken.
It was also so funny that instead of the blue shell being an item that someone pick up and throws, they had to make it that blue shells are kamikaze attacks.
That became an inside joke between me and my brother. I told him, “That’s the kind of shit we would say when were unimaginative kids playing with toys, announcing the special final move.”
The true irony of people defending this film as children’s entertainment is that, if any series has ever represented going the extra mile for children’s entertainment, it’s Super Mario. Nintendo has NEVER used their target audience as an excuse to be lazy.
I do find it hilarious that the movie grossing a Billion is a game changer and a reaction to Disney which hilarious as it was as predictable as the video games getting so much money. Hilarious of all given that it’s an Illumination film.
you can't just ignore the new super mario bros series
@@hubblebublumbubwub5215
That’s a sub series. Not really the same thing as the mainline stuff.
as someone who works at a movie theater restaurant, the Mario movie has been such a nightmare to work...
I think it's hilarious that Adam went from despising the soy meme to using it in every other insult
@@cokemaster3710 Truth
you could say it was insidiously implanted into his life in order to change his values and outlook on things /j
Adam going on and on about a one second shot like it derails the whole movie is super annoying
Alex was dead on with the sexual horror of Alien, one of the script writers said:
"That's scary because it hits all of our buttons." O'Bannon felt that the symbolism of "homosexual oral rape" was an effective means of discomforting male viewers"
Even if you dont consciously pick up on it I think it gives men a taste of the fear of rape that most of them have never felt. This is part of the reason i rank it up there with The Exorcist and The Shining as one of the best of the horror genre, great characters, well shot and nails a unique type of fear in a timeless way
preach
true stuff. really interesting comparison too. reminds me of Deliverance. the horror and disturbing tone in that movie is essentially built off of that same idea
Giger also called out child r*pists and the social hipocrisy around this issue in a very explicit satirical cartoon he published once. I don't remember where it was published, but I found about it on The Giger artbook Made by Taschen. Seems like the awareness around this type of fear was shared by a large part of the team
This Ralph guy is a great addition to the podcast, hope he stays long term!
......That aged well.
JH Ralph's been part of the podcast since the beginning.
@@trenchcoatbrigade698nope ralph didn’t even physically exist until he was conjured for this episode
"The Mario movie is allowed to be bad, it's a kid's movie! Also the Mario movie is evidence that animation is cinema!"
It's so nice to hear Ralph.
Always love him more than most family members
Alex deserves a special extra-national Purple Heart for rewatching Alien Covenant.
It's hysterical how In the Avatar (2009) episode, Adum appreciated James Cameron as an artist. But after Avatar 2, he realized his schticks as a writer, which soils his own retrospective, calling him a hack.
(He'll probably hate The Abyss and True Lies)
He’s just needlessly negative at times. “He’s got a fetish for water” because he makes films with ocean elements and themes. A lot of projection to make stuff that has no business being compared as sexual lol
Avatar kinda mid
@@luigiwiiUU it could very well be but that doesn’t retroactively make Aliens bad, feels like he just went into this with “James Cameron is a hack” mindset and didn’t even take in the majority of the film. To call it visually bland and have almost no likeable characters is just a goofy take.
@@spidermcjones6371 yes. Even I felt like Cameron loves water more than anything and would do anything for the characters to stay there. But won't call him hack or lazy.
@@abhilashpanda5758 he loves Jodorowsky who has multiple rape scenes in many of his films, multiple scenes containing literal faeces, yet Cameron is the fetish artist for loving the ocean? I get that he’s just trying to be funny with it but it’s just so weird to sexualise a guys interest for no reason. It’s projection at its finest, no one asks him why he loves the lion king obsessively but we all know that it’s tied to his furry shit
Not using the rainbow road music during that scene was such an unbelievable oversight for me
I keep hearing about rainbow road and I still don't know what that is.
I wasn’t surprised that grown men were mad at review scores for a Mario movie. These are gamers we’re talking about.
I'm glad yall talked about Alien directly after the Mario movie. Anytime I watch a "meh" movie (like the Mario movie) I always think "I could have just watched Alien instead"
While I enjoyed the movie for what it is I’m glad they pointed out how annoying twitter is when comes to popular hyped movie and how people are so quick to attack any reviewer or critic for not loving or praising the new hyped up flim
It's a downward spiral, the critic gives a reasonable review and says others are free to like it, then they still get attacked, then they respond and it only escalates the discussion acting like the reviewer is being sensitive
@@islandboy9381 Just goes to show you how toxic people on that site really are
I really wished they used more of the Mario tracks because when they used remixed those classic Mario tracks it was actually nice, worst part definitely was the horribly used licensed music
They actually composed music for all the scenes that the licenced music replaced. You can find them on RUclips. Take on Me replaced a rendition of the Donkey Kong theme
@@foursidekm yeah I heard about that, illumination should’ve realized Mario fans would’ve eaten up Mario music ten times more than licensed to death songs
@@newthejsterjacob408 I think the licensed music is there for non mario fans. Apparently the composer had to fight to put the super star theme during the final battle. The higher-ups wanted jump by van halen instead
@@foursidekm no way lol that would’ve been so bad
I haven't seen the film but did they use I need a hero?
The guy who played the alien was chosen mostly for his experience as a dancer and his incredibly slim figure.
Im pretty sure the casting director just met him randomly in like a bar as well
Ralph: "It's usually and they're animals."
Adam: "That's a good hook!"
I see what you did there...
Adam slowly piecing together the inevitable Mario Cinematic Universe and becoming appalled is so funny.
The Mario movie is really just Mario solving all his problems using recognizable items from the games. It doesn’t even do the movie thing where the character learn about a power up and later use it in a surprising way to solve a problem
I see the Mario movie as Nintendo just dipping their toes into the medium, playing it super safe just to see how much potential is there to expand their reach. They've been really unsure about it since the catastrophic failure of the first Mario movie, and we know there have been several projects started and quietly cancelled over the years. Like, they KNOW there's a lot of money in the film industry but no idea how to approach it. Hopefully this success will give them the confidence to do something more original next time.
“We just want a good story…not political grandstanding”
“This story sucks”
“Omg it’s a Mario movie! That’s not the point”
Lololol
''omg they're ruining this generation with these kids movies having shitty stories and forced pandering''
''this story is kinda mid and has forced pandering''
''omg it's a kids movie about a kids game why do you care, are you literally incapable of having fun ever?''
Corridor Crew talked about how the 90’s live Mario movie was actually revolutionary and changed cinema and the standards still used today in digital VFX. It’s pretty awesome.
Well it's corridor crew so I can take them seriously for so far
Ridley Scott, similar to Francis Ford Coppola, made his best films at the beginning of his career. So the bar is SUPER HIGH to them. I would say...IMPOSSIBLE to reach
something that i don't see getting discussed is that nintendo is also to blame for the movie being so bland, when it comes to Mario, story, Nintendo is very creatively bankrupt, and always plays it safe, this is most noticeable in the sharp decline in quality in paper mario's story, i think even if they got sony or pixar or even studio Ghibli the movie wouldn't have turned out much better because of how safe nintendo plays their IPs when it comes to storytelling, in a way illumination was the perfect studio to handle this because of how creatively bakrupt and boring they are, the mario movie is shit because of Nintendo not only Illumination
Idk, I disagree with Ripley's daughter and her fate not being needed. That's like saying Sarah is not important in The Last Of Us.
Agreed, for me Ripley finding out she outlived her daughter definitely added context to why she wanted to save Newt and too me at least added more to her character and makes Alien better in retrospect because you realise what she is fighting for
At this point I’m starting to feel like Adum’s issue with kids in films is more a weird eccentricity than legitimate criticism. I agree with him that kids in horror films are annoying and unnecessary most of the time, but his complete visceral disgust at child performances feels kind of neurotic. Newt is the weakest part of Aliens in terms of the acting, I guess, her acting is stiff as anything at times, but she’s ultimately of a piece with the more action-oriented tone of the movie.
The manic, toxic fandom that sprang up from the Mario movie is unreal. Like, I'm a lifelong fan of the games and I just thought it was....fine? It never slowed the fuck down to develop its characters and their relationships; it was just things happening! Constant references! And yet these people are acting like it's the second coming and anyone who dislikes it is a stupid baby.
That’s not just the fanbase for this movie, most of it are diehard Nintendo fans who are willing to pay 60 dollars for a game released 20 years ago
I see people begging for Zelda and Metroid movies made by Illumination, and I feel like this is the result of someone making a wish on a cursed Monkey Paw for Nintendo movies to happen.
This feels like it’s the worst possible version of Nintendo movies becoming a thing, and can’t help but assume this shit will burn itself out 5x faster than superhero stuff.
I mean it could've been the next LEGO movie, and I'd still agree, I liked it a bit more than you personally, but why are people sooo toxic, it's unbelievable some of the toxic defending I've seen, are people genuinely so out of touch with their securities, they have to slander people who didn't enjoy a film when they themselves haven't seen it yet.
Pfft, you expected the movie to be good? It’s a dumb baby movie, that means you can’t expect a baby movie to be good! But also don’t say anything bad because then you’re against my childhood video game character and by extension me!!
The people who enjoy the 1993 movie seem more sane than these menchildren online.
I had the exact same reaction to that same scene Adam was describing. It’s still etched in my brain. But I didn’t destroy my experience like it did for him
Alien for me is technically the better film, but my personal preference is Aliens because of how it combines some of the horror elements from the first film and blends it with action to make it stand out from its predecessor without being too derivative.
I'm also glad these two movies heavily inspired one of my favourite game series, Metroid.
James' Influence is unmatched
fun fact, to enhance the scale of the space jockey, Ridley Scott filmed his children in small space suits.
Ralph reviews Alien movies like a 12 year old. "When this happened was pretty cool, and then this happens and it was super cool, but remember when that happened? Oh man, that was also very cool".
That is essentially how he “discusses” every movie they talk about
Because he basically does have the mind of a 12 year old and every day I pray that he's completely cut out from the podcast. You can tell Adum barely tolerates him to the way he reacts to his dullard commentary.
@@dickthebirthdayboy2132 I disagree with 80% Adam says, but at least is interesting listening to someone else's well thought perspective. Alex sits in the middle, with never anything controversial but still puts out his opinion eloquently. Then Ralph, struggling to catch up, shallow observations that never stay in one topic/area/scene for more than 10 seconds
@@dickthebirthdayboy2132 also, fantastic handle sir
@@irotinmyskin Out here repping my boy Rich Evans.
There was a point in the movie where Mario, Peach, and Toad are talking to Cranky in his throne room, and I was completely distracted by two things.
1) There was no echo in that big ass throne room. It sounded like they were in a sound room.
2) The lip syncing was so fucking off that I didn’t even know what they were talking about.
And Fred Armisen’s impersonation of a disgruntled Brooklyn rabbi didn’t help
Would have been great to discuss the whole Alien trilogy: Dark Star, Alien and Aliens.
This is gonna be a good one. It’s the first Sardonicast episode where I participated and watched the films
Finally an episode I've seen all 3 movies before it came out
Sometimes l wonder if Adam and l even watch the same movie. Like, you don’t see any sexual undertone in Alien at all?
Maybe he’d pick up on it if there was a gay lion in the film
Cause he's a bad critic, only cares about technical aspects and nothing else.
He doesn't pay attention to these movies and watches them live on stream. It's very disingenuous.
@@AimForMyHead81 reading chat and skipping through the movie the ultimate way of watching a movie
my favorite part of the mario movie was when my friend's leg started cramping and he was yelling in the theatre.
Great having you back Ralph!
The Mario movie was fine. I can perfectly understand why many wouldn’t like it. But for what it was, I had a fun time.
Alien and the Thing are the kind of science fiction movies I wish we'd see made nowadays
Watch Annihilation (2018), if you haven't yet. It's amazing trippy sci fi horror. And if you have already seen it, do a rewatch, it only gets better
The Mario Movie: Alien Aliens
That's just Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time
The Blue Shell hitting second place was when I realized the script had no idea what it was doing
The Blue shell can hit any place not just first. Other players can be hit by the impact of the shell so it still made sense that it kamikazes Mario, DK and the other part of Rainbow Road.
To be fair, Bowser wanted Peach alive. So it was a bit logical that it went for Mario instead (since Bowser saw him as a legit threat).
A few in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, I was first and when I realized the blue shell was going to target me, I stopped driving so it hit the person who drove past me but it still hit me when I wasn't first.
@@MindlessMagic ~10000 in MK8D online here. This is exactly what I was thinking about while I was watching that sequence. Imagine if the movie was creative enough to have the two karts try to fight it out to fall behind each other to avoid the blue shell. They could've been so, so clever with the Mario Kart stuff. But instead it's just "WOW, DUDE RAINBOW ROAD!"
Mindbogglingly lazy storytelling.
Making a change to some specific game logic of a racing spin-off is exactly what an adaptation should be willing to do.
Thanks again my dudes. Great episode as always
In which I’m forced to wonder if any of our hosts have ever seen the horror movie “audition” or are they joking
Adum gave it a 10 I’m pretty sure
I just watched Alien for the first time last night, as funny as it is hearing them talk about the jazz hands scene in the vents, that scene in particular made me jump more than any scene in recent memory. Usually not a fan of jump scares but it was very earned & the fear lasted longer than being startled.
I usually agree with Adum's opinions a lot of the time, but god damn do I love Aliens. To me it works perfectly as what it's trying to be: a kickass action movie. It's like the blueprint for how to write a good one.
Totally see where Adum's coming from, though. If having sort of archetype, corny-dialogue sporting characters ain't your thing, this just ain't gonna work for ya.
Two of my fav movies. Somedays I prefer Aliens a bit more, some days it's Alien. Both are amazing
I'm annoyed that they never mentioned Alien Isolation, which is arguably the best piece of Alien media outside of the first one.
I can tell Adam practiced his Chris Pratt voice for months.
I actually agree with adums jazz hands problem with alien, but dropping down to a 7 is a bit harsh man
Honestly when I watched it I got annoyed so much at how auto pilot it is
Like mario just goes wahoo or what ever but something like the rpg games or sunshine is so much more interesting then "mario your disappointing me your father, oh wait you made me proud" "Im peach i was born from the real world but this is my real home"
Like Jesus christ the same shit from like ants, or ice age, or cloudy with a chance of meatballs
For mario, a grown ass plumber fighting a dragon and monkey with a racoon suit
Also lol at people yelling "the panic attack hit hard!!!"
@@idontcare9672 a lot of that stuff was honestly an unexpected surprise in the film giving the Bros a family and even addressing Peaches backstory and making it a part of her character really gave the movie its own uniqueness from what we already know about the characters.
Bad Rotten Tomato reviews only matter when it's a movie people like XD
Critics bad until critics like what I like and then critics good because “See guys? Even the critics like it, so if you don’t like it you’re objectively wrong!”
Obsessive fanboys: “So what if the story is predicable and the characters are all one-dimensional? It’s a Mario movie, fuck the critics!”
Fanboys: *also get mad that Avatar is successful with pretty visuals covering up a thin story and 1D characters, and act shocked when those live-action Disney remakes keep making money based on nostalgia alone, despite critics hating those as well*
Most gamers aren't that much into movies or anything outside of games, the likely hood of the same "audience" complaining about avatar is probably not the same defending this movie.
If anything the most in the middle opinions are animation reviewers, more so than film reviewers they had fun while also pointing out the flaws and reminding people that critics can also have valid points.
But man
Fanboys fucking SUCK LOL!
My expectations for the Mario Movie were very low going into it, and I came out not liking it. The movie was pretty much exactly what I expected it to be, if not much worse. It’s the same reason why I don’t like any of Illumination’s films outside of the first Despicable Me movie. It’s just a nothing burger that only exists to remind me of a franchise that meant a lot to me as a kid, which only made me dislike the film even more because of that.
I think what Alex and Ralph are missing about the Harry Potter TV series is the early books are short and it’s supposed to be a book per season. How do you get that much content out of a 200 page book? They may fail to capture the audience’s interest before they even get to the longer books.
Theyll probably devote time to background characters to fill in the series
@@sonicfreak04 We’ll probably spend a solid 2 or 3 episodes before we even get to Hogwarts.
Good, it should fail
@Luigi Nastro It won't though and you will remain perpetually mad about that fact
Of course the furry is more critical of the performance of the guy in the monster suit
DUDE! RAINBOW ROAD!!
Anyone else tired of the slow version of a cover tune from the nineties being played in trailers yet.
Finally, a podcast where I can listen to the entire thing without worrying about spoilers!
Alien section was classic Adum. Dude getting autistically hyperfixated on one tiny moment that doesn’t actually matter in the grand scheme of the film and then spending most of his review ranting about it
He’s so fucking pretentious. It’s seriously getting old. His takes on the Indiana Jones movies were garbage too.
It's fuckin infuriating
Everyone who criticizes adums remarks is like "he's just nitpicking stuff like the acting and the creature design" that's the whole fucking movie. I don't know a single review of adums where he's actually hyper fixating on something tiny except for when he's riffing on it as a joke. It's always, he has a problem with some major aspect of the film and the comments are all "wow way to nitpick by commenting on the cinematography"
Gosh Adam must really hate that old Lion King because its just a guy's voice and not a real lion like in the live action remake.
Alien and Aliens are two movies I can watch any time of the year! Some of the most inspiring films for me.
ihe is the type of nintendo fan i like, he likes nintendo, he grews up with them, but he's not super duper obsessed with Nintendo to the point where he's going to defend nintendo's shitty actions.
I’ve been looking forward to your guys’ thoughts on the Mario movie. I’ve been a little confused as to the praise for this movie. Why does everyone trash on movies for relying on references to the original source material, but all of a sudden when Mario does it, you’re not allowed to critique it for that.
The movie had References but a lot weren’t in your face or stopped the movie to point them out. And the ones that did felt natural to the unique world they created like the Lego movies and not like Ready Player one or Space Jam 2.
@@SuperGamerxlsure but references were still the writer's top priority. If it wasn't, maybe the movie wouldn't be so boring
@@robertyeah2259 I don’t think references were the priority I think just making the story Simple and effective like the Mario games are translated to the screen. Even the Mario rpgs have very simple easy to follow stories.
@@SuperGamerxlI don’t know I was never bored during the Mario RPGs. The characters were all funny and likable and I didn’t get that from the movie. It was just loud, obnoxious and in-your-face with everything. And the RPGs (at least Thousand Year Door and Super Paper Mario) have offbeat and interesting plots involving demons, crime infested cities, and love stories across many years.
The stories were simple but the movie is still too simple for me. It was like watching nothing
I like the Mario movie for what it is as a lifelong fan, but I’m tired of it being defended as “just for kids” (exclusively by adults) as an excuse for its flaws. That’s not an excuse to put out an inferior product. It’s not that it’s a simple story, it’s that it’s a poorly put together one. As a result, I enjoyed the sum more than the whole; it’s a fun novelty rather than the best adaptation it could have been.
EDIT: okay I agree with Adam’s points but at 7:35 I’m not a fan of him saying “if you can roleplay as a baby and enjoy this movie as a baby then good.” Especially after claiming just because he says the movie is for babies doesn’t mean he’s calling anyone a baby?
But the shallow Story combined with all the easter eggs everywhere and the short runtime encourages actually rewatching the movie multiple times to find all the easter eggs as the Story is mostly irrelevant anyway and you aren't turned off by already knowing itr. Also I think it would have probably hurt the audience it reaches right now, which is casual rare movie watchers, Nintendo fans and Families with children. The movie simply isn't made for people that go regular to the cinema and search for more than having fun and turning off your brain.
I think he’s exclusively referring to people who defend this movie and don’t know why they even like it, not people that like it altogether
The story isn’t really hallow it’s Simple and honestly that’s what has made Mario endure for so long and if you want to make a Mario movie or adaptation of any other medium making the plot simple is what you need to do. It really do aspect’s of Mario over the years to create it’s own unique world and it’s interpretation of characters and even changing them around to create their own identity.
@@1MyNickname1 Lots of movies made for casual audiences and families with kids are good though and not just simple “turn your brain off” experiences
@@happymoomoocow I feel like however this would turn some of the audience off that the film is reaching. It is exactly this simplicity people are looking for in a world of overcomplicated movies.
I like the part when Mario gets mocked for an exaggerated Italian accent and then the guy who voices Mario and has similar clothes to Mario says “it was-a good, wahoooo” and then jumped like Mario and nodded at Mario and Luigi. It’s a deep reference because it’s the guy who voices Mario, and he looks and talks like Mario in da games! You memeber da games right?
Oh no! A reference! KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!!
I'm almost completely indifferent to Nintendo, but I had a lot of fun watching the Mario movie and thought it was pretty charming. I honestly can't bring myself to seriously criticize anything significant about it.
Yeah, the plot was extremely simple, but I didn't mind somehow, the action and character interactions made it work for me.
Three men spend at least 15 minutes deeply discussing a movie with no depth. Its an ad and they call it an ad. Adam us dumbfounded why a gigantic corporation is making corporate decisions.
More at 11.
At the laser tag place I always went to as a kid the starting sound that would play in everyone’s like pack was “Let’s rock” and then when the game ended it would play “game over man game over”
I always thought that was so funny of the place as a kid and then I saw Aliens and I was like oh my god it was a reference the whole time!
when adum was winding up to talk about his complaint with alien, i really thought he was about to drop an inclusion joke, but no, he really has problems with alien.
They’re pretty valid tho
I love animation and a lot of stuff made "for children", animated films and shows are my go to comfort media. Have binged Bluey multiple times. Have throughly enjoyed many Nintendo games throughout my life. After watching the Mario movie I felt I got next to nothing out of the experience and was just left thinking "yeah this is not made for me as an adult like at all" like eating a bunch of sugary candy in place of a meal. It just actively annoyed me way too much to be enjoyable, and I don't enjoy being a hater or raining on people's parades.
I dislike Illumination movies as a whole and tried not to have negative expectations because of that, but it's just so obviously an Illumination production made to promote the new nintendo world add on at Universal Studios. And a film being made mainly to promote something like a theme park isn't inherently bad, but it's something about Illumination and how they do it and make their movies that just doesn't work for me. And the rabid fans attacking critics and people who dare speak negatively about the movie are so obnoxious. It's like some people seriously want to see critics stripped of their right to express their opinions now because they said Mario movie's not that great. I've enjoyed films that a majority of critics disliked before and vice versa, it never effected me because I know human beings have different reactions and connections to art and media. Like it's not that serious, and I wouldn't be so bothered about the film if I hadn't seen so many reactions from people like them. Anyways yeah Mario movie is def made for goo goo babies sorry.
4:49 The song selected choices are pretty bad and I hate Illumination just didn't know the themes or any type of selecting songs that didn't match including the Kill Bill theme or Take On Me theme wasn't fit very well. Should blame the music supervisor because the situation is that not fitting music competes with the tone unless it fits alright. I know, Karsten actually proved that in his Music Choice video that it should fit in a proper tuning way instead of picking some random choices.
Adam at around 2:08:13 - "free will is an illusion". What a nihilistic, horrifying remark said so casually.
It's not very horrifying if you think about it. We have free will in the microsense, but the choices we make depend on who we are, something we don't really have any control over. We don't decide what genes we have and who our parents are. So basically nothing changes lol
@@yggdrasil2 Respectfully, it is horrifying because if our wills are not free then morality is really *meaningless* . All moral language - right and wrong, praise and blame - makes sense only when addressed to free persons, not animals or machines (which Adam seems to think humans are like).
@@kairos_fluent But we have free will in the microsense. We can make our own decisions. The only thing we lack a choice in is what motivates us towards certain decisions. Get what I'm saying? Nothing really changes.
@@yggdrasil2 I'm not arguing friend, I agree in what you said originally, that certain things may influence or condition us.
I just fully reject that hard determinism where Adam said free will is an illusion, that's just truly dehumanizing since free will is *necessary* for morality.
@@kairos_fluent I'm not exatcly arguing either, guy, I was more trying to lift your spirits and show that it's npt as bad as it might seem at face value, because I assumed that Adam didn't mean it in the hard, nihilistic sense. I'm curious why you think he does.
Especially after recently watching Puss in Boots 2, Mario was fucking boring and terribly forgettable. I understood the references but if I wanted video games references dumped on me I'd become a Redditor
Please watch the 1993 Mario movie. Almost the opposite of this movie, incredibly out there and very strange choices
I liked the Mario movie. It was basically what it needed to be. I had fun
A lot of the issues with the look of the exterior space shots (and a lot of others) in Aliens are because of James Cameron's horrible remastering for the blu-ray release, unless they fixed that (by returning it to the color balance and high grain of the original negative) for later blu-ray editions. But the first one, at least, was Lucased big time when it comes to the color balance and overall look.
I'm glad I'm not the only one lol I found the movie really boring. The sonic one was surprising better when it shouldn't have.
I cant believe how much they all loved the Mamma Mia Mario movie
Lucas directed Star Wars, AND The Phantom Menace. Ridley directed Alien AND Alien Covenant..Peter Jackson directed The LOTR Trilogy AND the Hobbit Trilogy... Sometimes you shouldn't go back to the franchise that made you....
Does anyone know in which episode they talked about Michael Haneke's opinion on Schindler's List? I remembered listening to that part before and found it very interesting and I want to listen to it again, but I can't find it anywhere. Thx
I love Alien but its too freaking terrifying for me to ever rewatch, at least any time soon, not that i need to, i understood everything clearly in it, but man, well designed aliens freak me the fuck out, i already get freaked by wasps and shit irl which are like the most alien looking motherfuckers we have.
I feel like you have to also understand that the lazy script was probably as much Nintendo's fault as Illumination. The guy who made Mario, Shigeru Miyamoto, has had a track record of literally disliking video game stories and has gone out of his way on numerous occasions to make certain games have less story. Link's Awakening, Majora's Mask, and Mario Galaxy all had story elements that he didn't like because they actualy took risks and were interesting, so I get the feeling that the Mario Movie is so uninteresting and risk free is partly because of him, because he thinks risky and new ideas make for poor stories. I'm sure that the sequel will be just as bland and uninspired as well.
Glad Peaches was called out. I love Jack Black, but compared to every other song he's written and/or performed, that was just bottom tier.
DUDE, that diddy kong reference pissed me off so much
All I got from this was ‘the Mario movie is bad because it’s made by illumination which means,
illumination movie = Bad’
I mean if that’s all you got that’s kind of your problem
I grew up with Mario and it’s my favorite franchise. But I did not like this movie at all.
And the discourse surrounding this movie has made it so not fun to talk about.
i'm glad you pointed out the tunnel scene where the alien just throws up its hands, i noticed this on a later rewatch like maybe my 4th when i was older and just thought that's weird, it's like it's just gonig "BOO"
Saw the Queen puppet and loader robot (complete with Ripley mannequin) in a museum exhibit as a kid, years before i ever saw the movie. It was terrifyingly awesome.
11:41 sorry Adum, I hate when people say this shit. Just because Mario games have the same basic story, that doesn’t mean they’re “making the same games over and over again.” Mario has undergone more gameplay changes and innovations than any other series. Smooth brained argument.
I totally agree.
Compare Halo, a series Adum loves, to Mario. There is a world of difference between Galaxy and Odyssey, but the only difference between CE and Infinite is a grappling hook and a half baked open world.
To be fair I don't think he's played a mario game besides party. But there's definitely an argument to what hes saying like the number of overpriced mario sports and partys that are just the same game and people always buy because its mario. But when origami king released he said its recycled from epic yarn for having a similar art style which is the most kimba thing to say ever so maybe he does mean "they make the same games" in the most surface level way.
I’d like to see Adum do a let’s play of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars.
I didn’t watch this podcast episode but is Adum seriously think that every mario game is a 2D platformer?
The most memorable part of the Mario movie was the palpable sexual tension between Luigi and Bowser. Can’t wait for the love triangle between Bowser, Luigi and Peach in the next movie!
It's interesting that YMS criticize the alien suit because at some point, Alien was on Robert Aldrich radar so he was about to direct it and his choice for the alien's design is a fully shaved monkey. Imagine that.
Mario movie is soulless down to the title: “The Super Mario Bros. Movie.” I think at this point we should understand that MOST animated films titled “The _____ Movie” are going to be bad.
>angry birds exists