The whole video, not just Ligeti's composition, but also the double woman, the double voice... It's just the weirdest thing I've ever seen in my entire... week.
I like how we tend to associate the abstractness of art, like this musical experience, with things we "know better", based in the sensation of security that our past experiences brings to us, like the sounds of nature phenomena or the stereotypes of what music should sound like.
This might be more interesting if the metronomes could be set in a semicircle around a single listener, arranged with the slower ones to the left, progressing to faster on the right, so that the listener could distinguish the different ticks coming from different places. I’d sit for such a hearing, if it took under five minutes. - Another Q: has anyone tried water drops at different speeds, over different surfaces (metal etc.)? You could vary the amount of water by electronically controlling the taps. Might sound nice.
From my point of view, this piece raise many questions like : what is music ? what is art ? Can a music instrument produce something else than music ? Is it always art ? What is a music instrument (a metronome ?) ? This piece has been written/organized by a music composer, is it sufficient to call it music ? My feeling is that this piece is art for sure. It is connected to death, maybe to the death of the universe. It is like a sound sculpture but I am not sure whether it is music or not.
What are questions? No seriously though art is the bullshit you add to time and space. The meaning is the meaning. That's why you are never wrong in an interpretation and never right either. It's all bullshit
@@NorthTexasEagle1989 Asking questions is important at least from a human perspective. So art as a way to raise good questions is important too... at least from a human perspective!
***** Hey S, You love Xenakis...I know you must love Ligeti! I'm betting this inspired Frank to play the bicycle! :) Jason Becker Gabs, this is just brilliant! Enjoy! ***** Ha! Enjoy! ;)
This is not a weird but a clever rythmic excercise of composition. The maestro Ligeti bound himself to choose in detail every frequency for every Metronome thus creating one unique texture based on chaotic behavior, since obviously every metronome can't have an exact frequency, hence this uncertainty in the correlation of frequencys due to the mechanics of the apparatus, is what relates design and chaos. And all together with the sense of mechanical extinction.
Not sure if you're trolling but the only instruction Ligeti gives is "At a sign from the conductor the players wind up the metronomes. Following this, the speeds of the pendulums are set: within each group they must be different for each instrument." With group he means 10 metronomes and 1 performer. And I think this was meant as kind of a joke, although I really think it's a neat idea.
@@ramiro_echeverria For a set of sounds articulated in time to be art it has to have design in it, and it must convey intelligence. If both conditions are met, the sounds spread in time-space may carry the message which art is all about. Art is a form of comunicating something beyond the standard language of words.
This is beautiful. Each sound serves it's own purpose. The seemingly infinite complexity of it all is astounding. All you can do is observe and listen in wonder. It's like listening to a geiger counter ticking. There is something indescribable that makes us find the beauty in nearly anything.
I have reservations concerning this piece, but the juxtaposition of multiple layers of tempi is an extraordinary subject to research. One should not forget that Ligeti was very enamored by the music of Nancarrow (a man well known for his experiments in temporal layering), and the influence of Nancarrow on his music is decidedly strong, especially in the Piano Concerto.
"What is the point", some ask? What is the point of listening to the rain fall, or to the spin cycle of a washing machine.? Hearing pattern emerge out of apparent randomness and chaos.... is this really not interesting to you? I love how the "last metronome standing" goes on "beating" silently. And the irony of the title..... very sly.
What's the point of listening to the rain fall? Rain evokes a landscape, a day in life, melancholia, smell of wet grass... Metronomes evokes... ehm... metronomes. In fact, rain itself it's not music either. It's nice, but it's properly music only when you add it to a composition. Thus, musical work (with the sound of rain, or not) replaces your vision of the landscape, sensation of being below rain, etc. So, you can imagine what I think about "music" of metronomes (only noise, and not evocative noise).
@@TheBoinaman1 I think I relate to your comment here most then others. It would be a lot more interesting if these metronomes were used with other equipment to create, they would be put in a context where I think they could be a percussive instrument, but here they are just silly. This piece is nowhere near as clever as some people here like to think, in my opinion. It's just gimmicky that's all.
Change this from using metronomes to using 100 to 1000 different tone generators. Each tone generator programed to move randomly up and down a range of frequencies, playing each tone for a random period of time, with each tone generator shutting itself off at randomly selected intervals until only one pure tone remains. It would be a cacophony of sound, yet within the chaos would be delicate islands of order, wherein the myriad oscillations would at times cancel and reenforce each other.
great critic to the music of his time! what I really love bout this is that, like all the music that is played, it's different all the time that it's played!
With just 2 metronomes set at different rates you have an interesting effect as their clicks co-incide, then drift apart and then merge again. And with just a few instruments this effect can be enhanced in a complex way. But starting with a 100 meant this effect was just drowned out and not until most had died out did it become at all of interest to my mind.
***** Ligeti was a dreamer. he knew that the human ear could not hear what he composed. is that a reason to not compose or perform music, no. we have heard and understand many beautiful pieces of music, but to see a piece of music on paper, yet not hear it when played through a rube goldberg apparatus is astounding
Long before I came across this piece I used to amuse myself with just setting two metronomes up with identical speed. Against all expectations metronomes do not keep perfect time and after 10 -15 clicks they start going out of phase with each other, the discrepancy increasing until they merge together again and the process can go on repeating ad infinitum. This is not chaos but an infinitely subtle time pattern to which I could listen with awed pleasure. This is exactly what happens in Ligeti's "Symphonic Poem" in the last 30 odd seconds. The other 7 minutes are not essential listening. Incidentally the dwindling of an orchestra from full complement to a single player who gets up and departs at the end of the piece was used by Haydn in his Farewell Symphony with great charm and wit. Is there nothing new under the sun?
I know about this, but I never heard this before... for Ligeti it´s a consequent work! ... micropolyphonie.... microrhythms.... overlay... the structure makes the music... structuralism...
Great piece!!! Struck with equal force set in motion the timing of the metronome to predict the one that would have the last sound timed to the camera person’s focus. IMO.
@TheCoolProfessor That's the point, it's supposed to be different metronomes in different speeds started at different times. He said it's supposed to be a joke on the current Avant Garde scene.
@406jaciace I would disagree. The majority of his early works with few exception demonstrate an exemplary sensibilities. Listen to Gruppen, Carré, Kontakte, or Momente: very fine works written by a man who had done wonders with the serial method. Many of his later works are rather arid (the Licht-era works are mostly guilty of this), but are nonetheless worthy of research. Unsichtbäre Chöre, Samstags-Abschied, Examen, and Hoch-Zeiten are but a few of some of his best late works.
Una respuesta a dicha falla? Aún que esta música y según el caso del intérprete viene desde 1930 así que bueno no sé a qué te refieres con "ahora", saludos
not only CAge's 4'33. but it is very similar to what Charles Ives did in his Symph. No. 5 called the "Universe Symphony" in which he used specified objects such as a very long gong to be stuck every 1 minute while a based drum is hit every half minute, and other instruments up til the unit of 33. So that 33 instuments would play the number of times that they are assigned so you have many different senses of space and time within the piece. ligeti does this with metronomes. I like it.
The French lady said that it originally (in 1963) needed about 10 people to start the metronomes off so they were more or less synchronised. 30 years later someone who liked the piece invented this method of starting it so public performances would be easier. She also said that the first performance was met with a long silence followed by booing, protests and threats. I guess Ligeti really hit a nerve..
It was something new, so it must be awesome.... That's the way everybody thinks. And people who openly say they don't like it aren't educated enough -.-
This reminds me of Frank Zappa...only because I could picture Frank writing a piece with each musician in his band playing in time to each metronome, respectively. Now that I think of it...he probably did!
Sabés que me cuesta escuchar la poliritmia, pero por que estoy buscando acentos. Lo que mas me dificulta es que todos tienen la misma intensidad. Pero a partir del minuto 4:00 mas o menos como que se empieza a formar en mi cabeza ritmos muchos mas claros y la poliritmia fluye. Abrazo desde lejos, que bueno que halla gente que no se cierre a la hora de escuchar música, salud y me voy a escuchar Meshuggah =)
me gusta la parte donde dice Me puse la' Gucci con un short de Nike Buzo y cadena, estoy que goteo (estoy que goteo) Sigo volando 'e ciudad en ciudad Tumbando el club, shout-out para Neo (estoy que goteo
I can tell you that even one metronome never keeps good time when you are playing along with it. So I'm hardly surprised that at least 30 of these metronomes are rushing or dragging.
Sounds a bit like rainfall on a tin roof... Perhaps it is representative of the countdown of a world's, or universe's lifespan, in all of its mechanical absurdity? If a "blind man" can be a watchmaker, then certainly his subjects may come to build metronomes too?
Thumbs up if you still use one of these Maeltzel metronomes! I've got an identical one but it fell onto the floor and crashed some two years ago but I still keep it. RIP :(
It's the sound inside my head when I eat cereal.
Jajaja
😆😂🤣
😂😂🤣🤣
Not quite my tempo
The whole video, not just Ligeti's composition, but also the double woman, the double voice... It's just the weirdest thing I've ever seen in my entire... week.
I thought the women were part of the piece
Philip Glass
I like how we tend to associate the abstractness of art, like this musical experience, with things we "know better", based in the sensation of security that our past experiences brings to us, like the sounds of nature phenomena or the stereotypes of what music should sound like.
6:40 METRONOME SOLO!
yay!
It's melody is too sentimental.
It's a hell of a piece to conduct.
tune-up is a bitch, too...
Not as hard as Nancarrow pieces. But Cage's 4'33 has to be the hardest of all!
In bar 140 there was some wrong notes.
+Lukas Apostol Ya me parecía. No fui el único que se dio cuenta.
+Lukas Apostol ahh yeah, when its wong its jazz xDD jajajajaj
+Lukas Apostol It looks you have a perfect ear, Mr. Apostol. Congratulations on your coment.
+Lukas Apostol Argentine humour, I bet. I can smell it as if it were Juan Carlos Batman's voice.
Do you have a score? Did you write this? I think not.
My favorite part is when Metronome I section plays the Cantus firmus & the Metronome II section plays the Counterpoint.
The crab army is coming.
T H E Y R I S E .
Lyrics please
@Mattia Baraldo hahaha
@Mattia Baraldo yes pls
pls
Same
This might be more interesting if the metronomes could be set in a semicircle around a single listener, arranged with the slower ones to the left, progressing to faster on the right, so that the listener could distinguish the different ticks coming from different places. I’d sit for such a hearing, if it took under five minutes. - Another Q: has anyone tried water drops at different speeds, over different surfaces (metal etc.)? You could vary the amount of water by electronically controlling the taps. Might sound nice.
you're making a new composition then... ;)
Idk,I'm finding it pretty intresting sofar.
Really ticks me off.
ha ha ha !
+Laura Marx I will say more:hi hi hi hi hi- ho ho ho ho ho! it is a great symphony!
LOL
JAIL for you!
eheehhhhh
To me, it's a soundtrack to the Great Sperm Race.
Best comment here! :D
From my point of view, this piece raise many questions like : what is music ? what is art ? Can a music instrument produce something else than music ? Is it always art ? What is a music instrument (a metronome ?) ? This piece has been written/organized by a music composer, is it sufficient to call it music ?
My feeling is that this piece is art for sure. It is connected to death, maybe to the death of the universe. It is like a sound sculpture but I am not sure whether it is music or not.
C'est l'équivalent des installations contemporaines. L'interrogation sur l'art concerne plutôt les musiciens élevés au métronome.
what is even music? If music is organized sound is this music?
What are questions?
No seriously though art is the bullshit you add to time and space. The meaning is the meaning. That's why you are never wrong in an interpretation and never right either. It's all bullshit
@@NorthTexasEagle1989 Asking questions is important at least from a human perspective. So art as a way to raise good questions is important too... at least from a human perspective!
mucho texto
Fantastic! I like specially the Theme B in the development .
Luigi Rusolo did it 50 years before in Italy!!!!! he was the mater of "The art of noise"!!! But i find Ligeti interesting composer!!!
I´m traumatized. NEver will use my metronome again.
It's interesting to see Ligeti at his most Cage-ian like this. I wasn't aware of this piece, but it's quite fascinating for what it is.
cerre los ojos y parecia television en mi cabeza, pude ver lluvia, una fogata, un carrito de montañña rusa, wow muy buena interpretacion
Yo oigo un coche de caballos
Yo oigo un orangután bailando sobre cesos de vaca
¿Soy el único que realmente disfruta esto por el sonido que produce? O sea, por Dios, oigan esas polirritmias.
We have a winner folks! It's metronome 35, that's metronome 35! Thank you for playing another exciting round of... TICK TOCK!
does anyone have tabs for this
Laura Marx I have tabs for guitar and trombone. What instrument are you looking for?
;)
***** Hey S,
You love Xenakis...I know you must love Ligeti!
I'm betting this inspired Frank to play the bicycle! :)
Jason Becker Gabs, this is just brilliant! Enjoy!
***** Ha! Enjoy! ;)
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Todo está perfectamente coordinado!! que obra tan extraordinaria!!
You must buy the vinyl to appreciate this song.... xP
This is not a weird but a clever rythmic excercise of composition. The maestro Ligeti bound himself to choose in detail every frequency for every Metronome thus creating one unique texture based on chaotic behavior, since obviously every metronome can't have an exact frequency, hence this uncertainty in the correlation of frequencys due to the mechanics of the apparatus, is what relates design and chaos. And all together with the sense of mechanical extinction.
Not sure if you're trolling but the only instruction Ligeti gives is "At a sign from the conductor the players wind up the metronomes. Following this, the speeds of the pendulums are set: within each group they must be different for each instrument." With group he means 10 metronomes and 1 performer. And I think this was meant as kind of a joke, although I really think it's a neat idea.
This is like a grey area between shitpost meme music and an interesting musical and philosophical question about what is art
@@ramiro_echeverria For a set of sounds articulated in time to be art it has to have design in it, and it must convey intelligence. If both conditions are met, the sounds spread in time-space may carry the message which art is all about.
Art is a form of comunicating something beyond the standard language of words.
Even if it's not art because of that definition, I still like it :D
oh shut up with your idiotic opinion
This is beautiful. Each sound serves it's own purpose. The seemingly infinite complexity of it all is astounding. All you can do is observe and listen in wonder.
It's like listening to a geiger counter ticking. There is something indescribable that makes us find the beauty in nearly anything.
Maria, te amo...!
I have reservations concerning this piece, but the juxtaposition of multiple layers of tempi is an extraordinary subject to research. One should not forget that Ligeti was very enamored by the music of Nancarrow (a man well known for his experiments in temporal layering), and the influence of Nancarrow on his music is decidedly strong, especially in the Piano Concerto.
"What is the point", some ask? What is the point of listening to the rain fall, or to the spin cycle of a washing machine.? Hearing pattern emerge out of apparent randomness and chaos.... is this really not interesting to you?
I love how the "last metronome standing" goes on "beating" silently. And the irony of the title..... very sly.
What's the point of listening to the rain fall?
Rain evokes a landscape, a day in life, melancholia, smell of wet grass...
Metronomes evokes... ehm... metronomes.
In fact, rain itself it's not music either. It's nice, but it's properly music only when you add it to a composition. Thus, musical work (with the sound of rain, or not) replaces your vision of the landscape, sensation of being below rain, etc.
So, you can imagine what I think about "music" of metronomes (only noise, and not evocative noise).
@@TheBoinaman1 I think I relate to your comment here most then others. It would be a lot more interesting if these metronomes were used with other equipment to create, they would be put in a context where I think they could be a percussive instrument, but here they are just silly. This piece is nowhere near as clever as some people here like to think, in my opinion. It's just gimmicky that's all.
Change this from using metronomes to using 100 to 1000 different tone generators. Each tone generator programed to move randomly up and down a range of frequencies, playing each tone for a random period of time, with each tone generator shutting itself off at randomly selected intervals until only one pure tone remains. It would be a cacophony of sound, yet within the chaos would be delicate islands of order, wherein the myriad oscillations would at times cancel and reenforce each other.
surreal , dadda , Duchamp ,man ray I could see mixing up the meters and positioning in different spaces ,
Every great composer has that one WTF piece that nobody knows what he was thinking when he wrote it. I think this is Ligeti's
The problem with avant-garde composers is that ALL their pieces are WTF pieces.
Wait.... but have you heard mysteries of the macabre
This is my brain in the third week of quarantine.
beautiful. sounds like raindrops (:
Exactly what I think !
alguien tiene los acordes?
Se de alguien que puede llegar a saber de otro que quizás los tenga
Es acorde unísono (?)
N.C
la verdad ... me estresa estudiar con metronomo .. pero luego de este video, me doy cuenta que incluso su sonido es musica :)
I was there - best thing in the concert!
Can't wait to listen some good orchestration of this
woah that's a complicated polyrhythm
great critic to the music of his time! what I really love bout this is that, like all the music that is played, it's different all the time that it's played!
02:34 to 02:47 is my favorite part
Finally, someone made music for robots to listen to.
With just 2 metronomes set at different rates you have an interesting effect as their clicks co-incide, then drift apart and then merge again. And with just a few instruments this effect can be enhanced in a complex way. But starting with a 100 meant this effect was just drowned out and not until most had died out did it become at all of interest to my mind.
***** Ligeti was a dreamer. he knew that the human ear could not hear what he composed. is that a reason to not compose or perform music, no. we have heard and understand many beautiful pieces of music, but to see a piece of music on paper, yet not hear it when played through a rube goldberg apparatus is astounding
Kelly Henderson "the human ear could not hear what he composed. is that a reason to not compose or perform music" - Yes, it's a very good reason!
Carlo Candelora 'polyrhythms' in English
lsbrother not so much polyrhythms as it is phasing and phase music. interesting subset
Long before I came across this piece I used to amuse myself with just setting two metronomes up with identical speed. Against all expectations metronomes do not keep perfect time and after 10 -15 clicks they start going out of phase with each other, the discrepancy increasing until they merge together again and the process can go on repeating ad infinitum. This is not chaos but an infinitely subtle time pattern to which I could listen with awed pleasure. This is exactly what happens in Ligeti's "Symphonic Poem" in the last 30 odd seconds. The other 7 minutes are not essential listening. Incidentally the dwindling of an orchestra from full complement to a single player who gets up and departs at the end of the piece was used by Haydn in his Farewell Symphony with great charm and wit. Is there nothing new under the sun?
Assistido Maria GTTM, INCRÍVEL MARAVILHOSO
1921: "We shall have flying cars and live on the moon!"
2020: Watching 100 metronomes die.
😂
I don't like this interpretation
flipante...
parece el sonido q acen las cigueñas con el pico...
es realmente curioso, esta super bein
y también en el min 2:10 se puede ver a la izquierda como uno de los metrónomos no se mueve! Toda la obra está mal :O
Después de ver esto, nadie dudará de la importancia del Tempo
Tempus fugit, amigo, tempus fugit
beautiful compelling and moves my heart like the wind moves the seas into waves of sentimental washes of the great counterpoint of 100 metronomes!
So György Ligeti basically invented ASMR?
He was trying to, maybe not ASMR but something relaxing, all his life was composing too much of the sound and screamings
I think he is just an experimental composer
Him and Steve Roden
I know about this, but I never heard this before... for Ligeti it´s a consequent work! ... micropolyphonie.... microrhythms.... overlay... the structure makes the music... structuralism...
Bravo les musiciens ! Bon rythme ! La prochaine fois apportez vos Métronomes !
Merci !... 1963 not born !... Thank You Maestro Gyorgy Ligeti....
Amazing. It comes together at exactly 4.20!
wow... this is awesome. thanks to the uploader, i wasn't aware of this ligeti work
Great piece!!! Struck with equal force set in motion the timing of the metronome to predict the one that would have the last sound timed to the camera person’s focus. IMO.
Magique vidéo 😚👏👏👏👏👏👏🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🎧
Que puntazo, me encanta, bueníssimo!!!
actually, after awhile the sound is pretty hypnotic and...pleasant in a way...
6:39 last metronome ticking
@TheCoolProfessor
That's the point, it's supposed to be different metronomes in different speeds started at different times.
He said it's supposed to be a joke on the current Avant Garde scene.
@406jaciace I would disagree. The majority of his early works with few exception demonstrate an exemplary sensibilities. Listen to Gruppen, Carré, Kontakte, or Momente: very fine works written by a man who had done wonders with the serial method.
Many of his later works are rather arid (the Licht-era works are mostly guilty of this), but are nonetheless worthy of research. Unsichtbäre Chöre, Samstags-Abschied, Examen, and Hoch-Zeiten are but a few of some of his best late works.
I like how they held that fermata at the end
This is about what would have happened if Samuel Beckett had ever written a symphony.
A 2006 video? Damn! You don't get to see many of those nowadays... You know, back in the day you didn't have likes or dislikes, you had stars!
Ah yes, before ehe 13 year campaign to turn the website into absolute shit.
Cuando la impotencia de componer buena música se establece llegan éste tipo de ...que sería?
Una respuesta a dicha falla? Aún que esta música y según el caso del intérprete viene desde 1930 así que bueno no sé a qué te refieres con "ahora", saludos
Que imaginação... Coisa de gênio 👏👏👏
Assistido Elaine GTTM
I have no idea how this is so cool.
not only CAge's 4'33. but it is very similar to what Charles Ives did in his Symph. No. 5 called the "Universe Symphony" in which he used specified objects such as a very long gong to be stuck every 1 minute while a based drum is hit every half minute, and other instruments up til the unit of 33. So that 33 instuments would play the number of times that they are assigned so you have many different senses of space and time within the piece. ligeti does this with metronomes. I like it.
The French lady said that it originally (in 1963) needed about 10 people to start the metronomes off so they were more or less synchronised. 30 years later someone who liked the piece invented this method of starting it so public performances would be easier. She also said that the first performance was met with a long silence followed by booing, protests and threats. I guess Ligeti really hit a nerve..
He was too based.
Conmovedor el solo final de metronomo...
The main point of this, that you have to find yourself the music in the 100 sound. Ligeti have some very interesting music.
I love the way works like this can make some people so angry.
tic tac tic tac tic tac xD para algunos... musica a sus oidos ^^, a mi me vuelve loco !!! XD
Didn't know Ligeti smoked hash...
There's also a beautiful cadenza from 6:41 to the end!!!
It was something new, so it must be awesome.... That's the way everybody thinks. And people who openly say they don't like it aren't educated enough -.-
I liked the part with the metronome
The Return of The Dobsonflies - in Cinemascope and stereophonic sound!
Transcendant. Hallucinatoire. Onirique. Magnifique.
+Alex Greene oui,j'adore trop,lolon dirait du Boulez.On fait plein de pèze avec ça chez les bourgeois branchés.
5:20 sounds like Harley Davidson engine
I think it's pretty cool, did you not see or hear those hundred metronomes in the video?
inteligencia pura!! un genio Ligeti
*goes to grab a snack while in a movie theater*
The wrapper:
Absolutamente genial.
That's it...
the people who don't understand it, just forgot to open their ears, and... listen...
This reminds me of Frank Zappa...only because I could picture Frank writing a piece with each musician in his band playing in time to each metronome, respectively.
Now that I think of it...he probably did!
Lol... The Black Page
Gosh the beginning was so annyoning! I speak French and German and my brain just couldn't concentrate. I was like: wooooooooooooooo >.
Sabés que me cuesta escuchar la poliritmia, pero por que estoy buscando acentos. Lo que mas me dificulta es que todos tienen la misma intensidad. Pero a partir del minuto 4:00 mas o menos como que se empieza a formar en mi cabeza ritmos muchos mas claros y la poliritmia fluye. Abrazo desde lejos, que bueno que halla gente que no se cierre a la hora de escuchar música, salud y me voy a escuchar Meshuggah =)
This is the skrillex music in the 60's
me gusta la parte donde dice Me puse la' Gucci con un short de Nike
Buzo y cadena, estoy que goteo (estoy que goteo)
Sigo volando 'e ciudad en ciudad
Tumbando el club, shout-out para Neo (estoy que goteo
They should put that shelf on a floating table and wait for them all to sync.
Polyrhythm is still a thing in certain circles in its scaled down versions.
I can tell you that even one metronome never keeps good time when you are playing along with it. So I'm hardly surprised that at least 30 of these metronomes are rushing or dragging.
Sounds a bit like rainfall on a tin roof... Perhaps it is representative of the countdown of a world's, or universe's lifespan, in all of its mechanical absurdity? If a "blind man" can be a watchmaker, then certainly his subjects may come to build metronomes too?
Thumbs up if you still use one of these Maeltzel metronomes! I've got an identical one but it fell onto the floor and crashed some two years ago but I still keep it. RIP :(
Temazo
Bom exemplo do uso da tecnologia para produzir sonoridade.
to me it sounds like a carriage rattle at the beginning, applause towards the end