Chord GroundAray Review
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Listening Tests, Review and Measurements of the Chord GroundAray Ground Noise Filter.
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The special material inside that dissipates the noise though quantum tunneling to a parallel universe is AKA snake oil. Another wonderful debunking video Amir for a set of devices that's not cheap either. Thanks for making a YT video review as I suggested.
Shamelessly preying on people's ignorance. Analog filter on an ethernet network using balanced differential digital signals. If its noisy enough to cause issues, you just don't have any audio at all. It simply drops the data packets.
Too bad they dont meke an optical version to shunt out the noisy light
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@Douglas Blake I would consider it’s intended application to be as such in principal for the sake of argument. In this case it would be equivalent to an open stub of coax. But given there is no control over the dielectric properties or dimensions, not to mention the housing is likely floating, it probably couples and passes a very tiny amount of HF RF components through the RJ-45 connector rather than where they claim it goes, which is magically dissipating in the wire inside. Never the less, even if it did have actual passive or active circuitry inside and it did present a low impedance to noise, it would still be useless even if it did quiet things down. The digital signal is differential and by design rejects noise.
@@mysock351C Shameless indeed. However reading, some common sense, and informing oneself is a path to solving ignorance.
This is a strange type of entertainment, but it grows on me more and more every time. Thank you!
Superb video. Great to see fraud products getting exposed. In the UK there is a law against fraud - wish it got more enforced in the audio business.
The listening test wasn't conducted properly. You're supposed to suspend all logic and reason before plugging it in and listening.
Think of a man and remove all reason and accountability … (Jack Nicolsen in “As Good as it gets”)
@@klausnielsen7102 how do you write women so well? 😜
Hilarious that you picked up on my subtle plagiarism. I was absolutely channeling that character for my comment.
My very first experience as an audiophile started in a local audio shop in my area. They had amongst other things these noise filters, a plug attached to a cylinder. They said it removes electrical noise from the outlets, improving clarity and sound fidelity. I knew something was already off, and this item you reviewed is certainly the same thing revisited. Glad to have you on our side. Keep it up.
A psychiatrists explained to me once in a very easy way how our cognitive works:
Say you're walking in the streets and you notice there's a lot of different cars from many different manufacturers. The focus is ‘there's a lot of different cars.’
Later you decide you are going to buy a car. You decided on a specific car or maybe a specific colour of that car. Now walking the streets your focus will instead be set on that very model or colour, making you think that this car or colour is specifically popular. While in fact nothing has change other than your cognitive.
Good analogy.
Thanks Amir. Another expensive box to solve a non-existent problem. About as effective as running your cables through a biscuit tin containing a shovel full of soil from your garden.
I cannot imagine how many CEOs hate and shiver at the same time every time you so objectively review and measure (which they downplay using marketing speak)their so called award winning gear. Thank you for your craft and the many things you gift the forums with.
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Probably not many. The public is not objective, which is why they are easy to exploit.
does any? unfortunately, the vast majority of bozos who buy this crap can't be swayed by peasant thinking like "measurements", "science" or "data". to them, in their little delusional head, you just can't measure the vast changes devices like these provide...
...and unfortunately, a very very big chunk of the niche works that way...
Come on! They got the 2020 snake oil award at least!
Actually, given Amir's track record, I don't think many CEO's are loosing any sleep whatsoever or actually even acknowledge that this clown actually exists...He is a total waste of oxygen...Please go away
Amir, This review reminds me of the PS Audio Noise Harvester (you reviewed in 2020). Just that this company tries to cover all the possible selling bases for Ground Noise !! Thanks for the review and take care.
My pleasure. These boxes are worse in that they don't even have active elements between the terminals!
Great video, great demonstration of another product being a kind of magic an illusion of hearing and not a nice way to extort money from our pockets…I'm waiting for the next video from Mr. Amir with great expectation.
I can't believe these products exist and at these prices too. Thank you for your channel and everything you do, because Id be suckered into buying products like this before I found you.
They know their audience will buy it no matter what, so they just charge as much as they can.
@@cedarstuff I guess so yeah.
Sincerely appreciate the knowledge you share 🚀
I think this is the company that sold The Clearway System Enhancer Stage 1 mains filter for like $300. Turned out it was probably a re-label Roxburgh PMF6 mains filter that cost $30. After I pointed this out on a few forums, the product disappeared. Always wondered if the PMF6 did anything. It might do as its an industrial product but just not for audio freqs.
I wonder if Danny at GR research has an upgrade kit for it. What makes me mad is not the existence of these. Its the fact people have the disposable income to buy this trash vs donate it to an animal shelter or non profit.
Don’t give Danny any ideas…I can just see him offering a kit with “upgraded” “audio class” capacitors and resistors and wire connectors that costs more than the unit itself and requires rebuilding the entire pcb board.
Like many of the speaker upgrade kits inexpensive or ancient speakers that cost much more than the speaker itself, sometimes speakers that are fine to amazing for their price point to begin with (Andrew jones pioneer and jbl 530 for example). Why people buy such things instead of just getting a different speaker boggles my mind.
I have pair of cheap to begin with and now very old Mordaunt short ms30i with cheap as chips first order crossover and a bit of beaming as a result, but also pretty spectacular high e d imaging and sweet midrange on vocals. After all the woofer and tweeter were both designed to work well with a first order and the cabinet, As an experiment , I tried a few order crossovers at different crossover points (diy, decent parts) and guess what, the beaming was gone but so was the all the character of the speaker. Yes I have “better” measuring speakers, but what’s the point of having vintage and vintage-y stuff unless you enjoy them as they were designed. An old MG can be fun, no need to try and make it a Miata or Ferrari. If I want to listen to precise studio monitors or other better measuring speakers I have those too. …though I do have a pair of mirage MRm-1 that I would love a bit more if their center imaging weren’t so fuzzy (these are not omnipolat or bipolar types).
WHO ARE YOU TO EVEN SUGGEST WHERE SOMEONE ELSE SPENDS THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY... BLESS YOUR HEART
@@michaelwitt1733 WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE HIS SUGGESTION? wait……what am I doing to you?? Disregard.
Thanks Amir, another great video. What I appreciate so much besides your electronic and measurement work is your flair for finding such junk. What impresses me the most is what kind of stories someone comes up with in advance to "invent" such a product as this Chord Groundaray. What also impresses me is that magazines that pretend to be reputable get involved here with unbelievable tests and praise. The fairy tale of the emperor's new clothes will last as long as there are people.
My heart goes out to all those desiccated snakes!
The people who work at these companies MUST know that what they are doing, is professional dishonesty. I could never work for a company like that.
Sure would be nice to know the truth on this. How many know and sell them, and how many are fooled just like their buyers.
In your description there's a typo: "Chrod'. It must be a Freudian slip of the tongue. In Dutch this almost means 'scrap' 😄
Thank you again for shorting a piece of 'Chrod'.
😀 Thanks. I fixed it.
I didn't even bother watching this to the end as I already knew the outcome as any sane person with an inkling of common sense and logic would ;)
An excellent description of subjective perception delusions. Thank you for digging into the science of audio perceptions. Perhaps subjective perceptions and opinions are
" ,All lies and jest
Still, a man hears what he wants to hear And disregards the rest."
Another great, honest review, Thanks...
Great video Amir...this is just a friendly request, I know you have a lot of videos.. I'm looking for a good 2 channel amp and speakers for my custom built PC. I'd like to also get a powered subwoofer. Could you direct me to any reviews of amps you have done that you think would fit the bill for a desktop scenario? I'd like to keep price around $300.
Thank you ahead of time and keep up the great work!
Hi there. If you want a very low distortion and noise amplifier, Topping PA5 fits your budget: www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/topping-pa5-review-amplifier.28512/
That plug contains liquid snakeoil for filtering the signal and the oil prevents oxidation of the electrons.
A "must have" item for audiophiles everywhere! Those of us non-audiophiles who listen to music rather than their hifi setup can get by without any snake oil cures for non existant problems.
I watched this video out of interest! I have two of these, they definitely make a difference on my system. i’ve even conducted blind tests with friends ,and they have heard the difference too! I think it depends on the system and the electricity supply to it, i’m not slagging anybody off, I was just interested, but I have to say they do actually make a reasonably big difference in my particular system,in my room . I was not sold these by a salesman. I auditioned them in my house on my own..
those look like great tools to damage ports just because of their size/weight :}
Indeed.
Not saying it works or not, but at least the intention of use is to connect it to an unused connection on the streamer or DAC, not to a spare port on the network switch. Rj45 are isolated so maybe it doesn’t make sense. But RCA connections on a DAC share a ground, so maybe this thing has a chance if it is connected to 1 unused RCA while music is played through another set of RCAs.
Probably not, but just though it makes sense to point out the usage
This is getting to “ ritual “ level for me. I keep looking if we have a new tube from Amir every time i go for a bath! lol Perfect timing :) now let s learn some more… thanks Amir :)
Another pixie dust vendor. Definitely intended for the same folks who wear copper bracelets. The mechanical form factor is a nuisance. You'd think if they would at least run a super short cable to a unit that you can easily tuck away. This being said, it's styled like a lipstick and it's likely a hint to its intended class of product. Amir, you are too kind.
It looks like it would be the perfect input/output jack destroying/snapper-offer tool. How long, with this thing connected, do you think it will take before a connector gets snapped off? Rhetorical question, sorry. Fred
I heard a difference in the background! A really soft voice saying: “scam, shame on you chord” . Can’t believe anyone else heard that. Am I the only one?
Hello Amir and thank you for the review :)
Will it be possible to have more videos on the good products you review on ASR ?
Lately, most of the reviews are for product not worth spending money on. I understand you want to explain why some electronics are useless. But personally, I'm much more interested in why electronics/speakers perform well...
Sure. Will do.
You upload....I watch...like...comment ! Win win
Thanks Amir great tech review 👍
an interesting fact: depeche mode enjoy the silence is about an audio null test. after watching this vid am convinced the product under test must make a difference; not in audio but finding aliens in far far far galaxies.
Is that a ground array or are you just happy to see me?
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Every time I see a thumbnail to your reviews I have the same string of thoughts:
1. Nice, he photographed it next to another object to give an idea of the scale.
2. This figure can be anything from 3 inches to cat-size.
The figure (panther) is a coded message. If you frequent ASR forum, you can decode it. 😀
He has panthers to express a variety of shorthand re the product review, it's good fun, not about size.
Thank you for you service sir.
Amir, you should join MythBusters. Another classic video.
Now there is a thought. Wonder if there will be a large enough audience for a video series like that!
After this most recent round of reviews of “tweaks”, resamplers, power cords, cables and conditioners (plus other science based testing by Amir and others) , one can be pretty confident in the general inference that such products are worthless at best, and often make things worse. In fact what are great about Amir’s reviews of these items is he explains the failure of these products through scientific principles such that the results are applicable to the entire “class” or type of products (ie, not this expensive power cord but every power cord) and cannot be ascribed to be particular product or even one item or set up.
Either the designers do not understand basic principles of electrical physics and acoustics, or they make engineering mistakes that are simply unacceptable at any price (see the Chord resampler) or they are cynically dishonest.
I know if no other “hobby” with such pervasive snake oil.
Cynically dishonest, I'll go with that...
Shame. Chord Co. makes decently made inexpensive cables which I have used for years. I still have 25 year old Chord Cobra interconnects in my system. Of course they also make crazy priced cables. I didn't know they were into this kind of silliness.
Luuuuuv that vape pen!!!
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So what do you vape? USB? RJ45? Maybe HDMI? Do they taste different?
Each Ethernet port is electrically isolated from the switch/router circuit/s and each other. Its just the nature of the 10base-t interface. So I can't imagine what the device is supposed to do. Just some ferrite beads for the snake oil effect, I guess.
The purpose of the device is to separate the buyer from his cash. It works most excellent in that regard.
@@SirBunghole Mission accomplished.
Hi Amir, I admire your work. What do you think about 'Quantum science audio fuses? Do they really make a lot of difference in sound quality as they claim? some fuse cost over £2500.00.I can't wait for you to review these , so called small wonder 'Quantum science audio fuse' please.
Thanks a lot for kind words. I have not tested them. Plan to test audiophile fuses at some point.
How does this device differ from a “ground lift” which is a feature seen on (presumably) genuine and functional products?
Well, this thing doesn't do anything at all! At least ground lift changes the nature of your ground voltage.
Wow what a difference 😂
Pls Make a video in basic emi filter in various ampire rating for audio gear.
Amir, please make a teardown. Please! 🤣
I don't know how easy it is to take apart and put back together. I will ask the owner. At $800, I hate to have to pay him back this amount!
@@AudioScienceReview i almost bet its just to unsecrew the bottom from the tube.
hello, i have a phono SUT , i have an issue with ground loop when i using the SUT, is it possible talk about ground loop, possible cause and solution
So this thing is essentially wearing out your unused ports for $800.
That's the net of it if it doesn't outright break the RJ-45 terminal. It is quite a heavy load to dangle there that way.
@@AudioScienceReview - They should make tiny ones and claim the small size is a performance asset like how homeopaths super-dilute "medicines" on the premise less is more.
Wow. Just when I think I've seen it all. How do these people sleep at night.
Is it possible, and of value, to measure a music track"contaminated" with audible "synthetic" noise, white, pink, or any other shade, or perhaps some flicker, shot, etc noise from a previously identified faulty component? I am not challenging your conclusion but only thinking of about an incontrovertible positive control.
If by measure you mean null test, absolutely. Those issues instantly pop up and are audible in the null if one sample has it, and the other does not.
@@AudioScienceReview Thanks. The basic idea was a test track with incontrovertibly audible noise. I'll leave it there. Three previous drafts have become too long and silly ... involving golden vs. mortal ears!
Thank you for exposing more "audiophile" snake oil!
As soon as you said "The people who buy this product don't believe in measurements", you've left the world of science and entered the world of magic where anyone can sell you anything. It's amazing that in the world of electronics and audio (typically science based), that we would be asked to just "believe" in something without knowing how it works or being able to demonstrate any benefit. To the point of focusing on the music when evaluating something, I've noticed this even when testing cheap audio gear after a repair or speaker swap. I'm amazed how good that cheap thing sounds! Then I get used to it and realize it's not that special.
This is CHORD Company, not CHORD Electronics. Different crooks folks.
Thank you for your videos. An oasis in a land of people believing that the sky is falling after being told so by a chicken.
LOL!
Thank you for another informative myth busting video. I have a q, hope someone can help. The room with my audio gear has no grounded power outlets. On the rca inputs on the amp i can feel the electricity running when lightly touching (small vibrations). After plugging in rca in amp to 3.5mm audio plug into laptop it seems less/gone. Is the laptop grounding the amp or am i placeboing myself? For proper grounding would it work to connect a wire from one of the rca inputs on the amp to the grounding metal on a grounded power outlet in a different room? So like using a modified grounded power plug with just the grounding wire used, terminating into rca on other end.
It is "normal" to have that kind of leakage current, i.e. enough to give you a buzz. It is safe from electricity point of view but can cause ground loops.
You need a competent electrician to assess your wiring. Ungrounded equipment, designed as such, class 2 or double insulated, can float at elevated potentials, often half the line voltage. Whether it is healthy to have a computer sitting on your lap with such fields present for prolonged lengths of time is open to to question.....
Thanks for the info! It does not buzz luckily but I'll see if I can get the landlord to upgrade the outlets just the same for peace of mind.
@@acerlagonda3537 All SMPS leak tiny and safe amounts of high voltage AC to their chassis ground as part of their EMI flitering design. You will feel the tingling when touching the chassis, as long as nothing in the signal chain has a real ground connection to earth.
If you take that wav file and boost gain by 105db you can hear those differences. The differences are muddled by the noise floor, but technically there is a difference. Is it possible to do that null test between an r2r dack and a delta sigma dac?
As I explained, that difference is there even if i don't change anything. It is hard to get perfect sync due to variable clocks. As to R2R dac test, yes, that would be good to run this against. Currently I don't have one to test but when I get one, will run the null test.
Some types of connectors (bnc for instance) that if you have a connected splitter you should use connector terminators but this is not the same thing. What if you have multiple ports on your device do you need one for each open port?
Make sure you find a device with many ports. Then you can put many of those noise reducing devices in those ports and the noise reduction adds up - obviously. ;)
@@edgar9651 cool! And then when I forget they are there and shove my receiver back against the wall I can destroy all these previously unused ports which will guarantee noise. I can’t wait!
That is what the company claims! The more the better. For whom, that is the question! 😀
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Lol, There's a carreer opportunity at Chord!
@@edgar9651 Hahahahahaaaa!!! Nice.
So it's final, not to trust any Chord ?!
I have an idea for test - double conversion online UPS vs audiophile mumbo jumbo healing crystal "clean power" devices.
Both connected to "noisy" power source, like cheap gas powered generator.
Thank you for all your work.
Are you going to review the Mytek Liberty Dac II?
I have come close a couple of times to getting one to test but has not worked out. Hopefully one comes to me at some point.
I think this is an awesome product, plug this 800 buck item into your 99 dollar Sears receiver and I bet it will make it sound like a 100 dollar stereo. So many Bridges for sale..
I would like you to review Rotel products, I have never seen on review. I have Rotel RB-1582MKII and the Rotel RC-1590. They both sound good but still can't find many reviews, I am most curious about the Rotel RSP-1576MKII Multichannel Preamplifier with 6 stereo dacs. What's your opinion?
I really like the way Rotel products look and love to test them. Alas, no one has offered any. I have two of their Pre-amps but they are 20+ years old so don't think it makes sense to test them.
$800... that's obscene for the materials and lack of actually doing anything.
Mmmm... More junk product reviews.😎
For some reason, these are always some of the most interesting.
WE ALL LOVE AMIR - Sorry, I mean any one who likes objective truth
I see DAVE in background. Have you changed your mind about it?
??? In what way?
Absolutely bonkers so many snake oil products are marketed …. Are audiophile so naive, gullible or outright stupid ?
There is no limit to what you can sell. Given the easy way you can get people to "hear" things, anything will sell no matter how unbelievable the claim.
@@AudioScienceReview Correct, precisely and fully agreed. Your message and measurements are truly needed to completely and fully debunk all those outrageous and ridiculous claims. Your channel Audio Science Review is named science for a purpose …. Keep up the good work and share your measurements here along with the results and your opinions. The science behind audio were and are so well established and formulated that it’s beyond doubt or reproached. Correct and valid measurements are so easily replicated and validated. Yet those unbelievable claims are “beyond” measurements are as mind boggling as the claims itself. Useful Idiots are helping those unscrupulous producers sell their useless snake oil products and muddle the water.
Your channel and your skills and expertise with your equipment backed up by real science brings sanity back to us, the real audiophiles who want to enjoy music without being fleeced or fooled. Audio products are NOT vanity products nor lifestyle accessories. Thanks again Amir for the fantastic relentless work you are doing. Cheers
Brace yourself, Amir sir class has begun :D and here are the test marks
But they are sooooooo very shiny and pretty! The noisy electrons just migrate to them to take selfies and admire their reflections as they dance to the music. Nuts! Amir please just concentrate on real equipment and ignore snake oil. The gullible will never change.
Here we have an engineering company that doesn't seem to understand the difference between a plant pot filled with soil on an indoor shelf and an electrical earth. Out of interest, can you null signals via different DACs, so we can hear what a resultant signal sounds like, please.
I am or should say, designer of deltawave is working on that. The challenge is the clock drift. Its actually dynamic and complex. Without correcting for this, you get really poor null.
@@AudioScienceReview Kernel stream USB into a TCXO (or better) controlled S/PDIF converter, then into a video distribution amp for identical and buffered S/PDIF/PLL etc signals into separate DACs.
@@johnshaw359 Yes, there is a method to do that and it definitely helps.
@@AudioScienceReview Thanks Amir for replying, I hope it helps you out.
Why didn't I think of this!
Thanks Amir. Obviously it is kind of funny but somehow I wonder why you do these "special product" videos. Many of us know that they can't work and won't work. It's obvious. And then I am sure there are others who know that you just don't want to listen. An expert, they, just know that it makes a big difference and brings it to another level. Can you convince even one of those believers that they would waste their money with these products? If yes, then fine, you help at least one or two people. But somehow I doubt there is even one of those "specialist" who listens to your advice.
What is your reasoning? Do you do it just for fun? Or do you know that you convince people from time to time?
Thanks for your great work!
I hear you. Fortunately plenty of people are influenced by these videos. As you, I thought no one would. But I realized that there are many who are just following the other crowd thinking their uniform messaging is the truth. They then watch or read my videos and realize that their doubt was real. And decide to change their views. Indeed this is why I continue to get products like this to test.
Also, prior to purchasing these things, people perform searches and land on "reviews" that are basically informercials. They see all positive messages and think that is the consensus. It is important that in these searches, the counter point is also shown on equal footing, i.e. video.
Finally, opinions are changing in audio. Every day more and more people put value on proof points about audio claims. That is happening because of continued testing like this where there is hard proof and not just an opinion that they don't work.
Well, I used to be kind of naïve. I firmly believed in expensive interconnects and speakercables (based on raving reviews from apparently respectable sites). I also bought them, just to find out it didn't do diddly soundwise. Then I questioned my gear for not being resolving enough, until I stumbled on sites like this. Looking back I feel kind of stupid now. Anyway, Amir explained it well and with precision 😄.
@@34332 Thanks for being honest.
You're supposed to soak it in with more money for 400 hours to open up the gates of audio heaven
I read some reviews on this:
"the x 2 GroundARAY bring more warmth, detail and focus to the music IMO" 😂😂😂
Top man.
But it won the AA Grand Prix award (whatever the hell that is) for 2020! How could it possibly be a sham?🙃🙃🙃 But maybe AA stands for Alcoholics Anonymous and they were having a relapse.
No, man, that's all wrong. You have to cryogenic freeze it, so the electrons can move freely inside. You have to show them the way.
another new age audio product. Does it come with some scented candles and a bunch of crystals to heal the chi? lol
Forty one (41) seconds in to this new video Amir and my snake oil/BS meter is already pegging. These people cannot be serious, can they? LOL... Fred
Amir could you're next test be measurements of you're brain sober wile listening to music and then measurements on THC.
Are you volunteering as the test subject and have said THC on hand???
@@AudioScienceReview I live way too far away. I imagine it should be easily enough to obtain were you live.
In seriousness I wonder if these kinda tests have been scientifically done.
U said it at the end, I think it's better to start with explaining that ethernet is typically electric isolated through mini transformers and unshielded, so this "tool" from it's concept is stupid ;)
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I had, years ago, in my hands pci eth card without any isolation, some china oem noname, disassembled from very cheap PC set, we left one as a souvenir in our office :D
Amir, are you an Audiophile? or Audio Enthusiast ? I can clearly hear a difference in your sample clips. You get more instrument separation and transparency with the added grounding. NO PLACEBO... I don't mean to offend you! Sorry!
Yup. Been an audiophile for decades. As for your observation, you now have proof that it is wrong. The difference file is silent. The power of brain to imagine things is amazing.
ruclips.net/video/nzhyQFVIuRA/видео.html
@@AudioScienceReview Thanks for the reply! Not to brag or anything, and i will not go into deep typing. I am a EE specializing in Audio. Also, sound Engineer, and for the past 7 years, i discovered a new Audio technology which i cant talk about much, patent pending, dealing with so called Snake Oil. I can basically manipulate sound at a much deeper level than the devices you measure and validate. Something which you would be puzzled, because it functions so well. However, i plan to capitalize on this, so can't say much more than that. Ok with my tests, i get similar results as you are getting. However, there is a way, i am able to observe changes in sound signature or improvements in sound besides using the golden trained experienced old ears, hehe. Ok, try using a middle preamp add on and a 16 ohm load between the output stage of your source and Null. It may suprise you, depending on the differences in signals etc. Alternatively same setup, record and view musical waveforms not electrical characteristics. Do a compare Analysis. You'll figure out the details, hehe... I had to figure out a way and scratched my head, it puzzled me, but in the end, I found the proof i needed to rule out PLACEBO.
@@alcamacho1844 There are plenty of EEs in audio with wrong ideas. After all, they are the ones designing equipment that so frequently shown to be non performant. So yes, let's not get into credentials that don't add value to the conversation. As to your claim about measurements, once more, this review included a null test. You claimed to easily here a difference. Yet mathematical comparison of the two files shows that is impossible. That conclusively suggest you need to revisit your assumptions about your knowledge and understanding of audio. Patent office accepts anything unique by the way. It doesn't mean there is anything valid there. Plenty of audio voodoo have patents behind them.
But sure, come back when you have something to show. Until then, please don't make claims you can't back and insult me in the process as well.
@@AudioScienceReview Sorry to step on your toes, it was meant as a constructive opinion and observation on your methods. That being said, ill see if i have time, i may invest some of my time and create a video on my methods. Ill be back if so, to share my fellow Audiophile.
Keep up the work, i find it entertaining as a subscriber!
Scary ...I think I heard a difference in the samples..
Of course there's no audible or measurable difference.
Love how you flipped that script around, listen test first then note that some fussies care about measurements, so you provide them too ha! Blamm! Question, My Klipsch Forte IIs have 15" passive radiators, I was looking at adding a subwoofer, which made me wonder if the low end of the sub would drive the passives the wrong way, killing some of it's benefit.
Personally for music, if I already have that much bass response, I would not bother with a sub. If you want to add one, then must measure the room response and get it to be even in bass. Otherwise you can have very boomy bass.
@@AudioScienceReview - Does the sub drive the passive to any meaningful degree? Thanks!
@Douglas Blake - "It can ... depending" is no more information than exists and is implied in my question, so thanks but that's unhelpful.
I understand physics quite well (why I asked). The essence of my question is however, "... to any meaningful degree" ie "... in practical application." A boat may be leaky, but if it's inconsequentially small and you have the means to deal with an increase then sail on.
To turn it around: there are a lot of well known best practices the hifi hobby but I've never seen a statement about subs used with passive radiators such as "Don't bother, it sucks." A 15" Klipsch sub goes far lower than the Forte II so the idea is enticing, but it may be impossible to achieve without muddiness across their low end overlap areas because the passive is so easily resonant, whereas a sealed box would have far less of an issue.
@Douglas Blake - Did you read the question?
@Douglas Blake You are who can't read lol.
Ahhh Chord the capital city of snake oil...
I got a Witch Doctor to put a spell on my system sound much better now.
this is wild, i just figured you were continuing to shit on chord, but this is a different company! what's the probability of that?!
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This Chord Groundaray looks like a rectal thermometer. I wonder how Amir-Moe measured it...
I hired a volunteer for that very test. His name was Curly. Perhaps you know him....
@@AudioScienceReview No, I don't know Curly. But, I know your wife...
@@AudioScienceReview Nope, I don't know this Curly you speak of.
DDAU. As Amir says: "Doesn't Do Anything Useful".
It is sad that some people feel the need to spend $10s of thousands to get the same results we can for little money.
$20 says there's nothing inside it.
Reputation of Chord company went down to zero after your recent episodes... what a shame for them. Do you think they feel ashamed selling something like this for almost $800?
As I noted and strangely so, this is another Chord company than the one that makes DACs. This is called "Chord Company" and the other, "Chord Electronics."
It's interesting to note that Chord Co. have recently revived an old brand, English Electric. Their first product is *sigh* an "Audiophile" network switch. Sounds like from being a decent cable company they are taking a dive down the rabbit hole.
It's a shame, as I said below, they do make sensibly priced, well constructed cables.
And you open the hood and find ..... nothing. Of course. There is no place for the electrons to flow, no circuit. Junk. Sounds like an antenna to me.
"People who buy these don't believe in measurments usually..." :)
Yep, just plug it in and start imagining the improvements!
Selling crap like this should be illegal.
MoFI should use this to cut their digital vinyl #mofigate , A company makes vinyl from digital files, sells as pure analog "from the original source" , no audiophool finds out for decades. (the same people claiming to hear jitter and cables )
Good suggestion. :)
Lol I'm a vinyl guy and can't stop laughing! I collect old and records and stream! Don't own any mofi.
@Douglas Blake Did it ever occur to you the snake oil of using vinyl as an effect machine?
adding wow flutter , EQ and dynamic compression, mechanical, distortion and lots of noise to a digital perfect 1st generation recording? turning it into a 3rd generation degraded "analog" artifact, and a bunch of audio phools applaud as we poke a finger in the eye of Hi-Fi science and any engineer that ever developed a better way of reproducing music,
Also forget about boasting the longevity of viny, and analog tape
digital perfect copies live in multiple regional cloud data centers across the globe, and within each center, multiple copies, on enterprise class storage systems, and within each region, additional data centers physically separated from one another, hold additional copies , and accessible from your device in microseconds from any place on the planet well excluding NKorea ....VS a decaying vinyl that sounds "different" every time you play it
Another worthless piece of garbage debunked. Thanks for the indepth review.