I actually sat on this video for roughly a week. It’s totally not my usual kind of video and only really decided to post it as my camera mic has died and it was still sitting in the backlog waiting to go public.
I lived in China for 7 years. Let's be real: Mainland Chinese are rather... inconsiderate. Cutting in lines is very common, nose picking and spitting are daily occurences, listening to brainrot on Douyin without headphones is not QUITE as bad as it was a few years ago but it's still very common, and they never clean up after themselves after eating at a restaurant. Customer service is also quite curt. These are undeniable. HOWEVER, I find it a little unfair when some people compare Chinese manners to Western ones or especially Japanese ones because that's comparing a developing country with a "1st world" one. If you're gonna compare, you should at least be comparing China to India or Vietnam or other developing economies. When viewed under that lens, Chinese mannerisms don't stick out too too bad imo.
I think every developing nation would be considered inconsiderate from a developed nations perspective. The difference is probably that China has modernised at break neck speed and it’s also in the middle of a international spat with the US right now (when isn’t it lol) so things like this are promoted among those looking for reasons to hate on Chinese. I still think tourists aren’t that bad though as compared to the everyday poor person on the street in China.
@Evildea Not necessarily. Thailand and Philippines are also developing nations but have very friendly populaces. Also China has not modernized as quickly as Taiwan, Korea, Japan, Singapore, or even Ireland has (all countries that shot from impoverished to first-world economies in only a single generation... Meanwhile it's been three generations since the CCP took power and China's still relatively poor). So "breakneck speed"? I wouldn't say so. Finally, you can't argue with results. If you ask any Asian nation which tourists they dread the most, their answer will be unanimous: Chinese. And this was well before 2012 when the spat with the US took off. I agree some RUclipsrs look for any excuse to hate on China but at the same time China is far from blameless.
@ you can’t really compare Taiwan to China as the population differences are insane. Much easier to manage a smaller population, especially one the size of Singapore. A more accurate comparison would be India or Indonesia. Japan and Korea were basically outposts of the US up until recently and thus were heavily influenced by the western culture. This is obviously through how much even their languages have changed. Something like 30% of Korean words are of English origin now. Japanese is in a similar situation. I think in 30 years or so manners like everything else will evolve along similar paths.
@@Evildea If cozying up to Western culture means going from an impoverished, war-torn wasteland into one of the most developed countries in the world in a single generation, wouldn't that be the smart way to go?
@ Now we’re just getting into historical hypotheticals. I can’t really say either one way or another what would the world look like today in that situation.
I find it interesting that you haven't personally witnessed many of the things she was talking about, because I definitely have observed everything she mentioned very commonly among Chinese people.
After spending too much time on tiktok I've learned what this is called: rage bait. I don't like it because it lacks substance. I'm all for a critique view of China's societal norms and customs based on actual data and deep analysis. But this video is just hate.
Thanks for your view. You are telling the truth. And i believe shanshan is also telling the truth, but part of the truth. I can understand her angry. However the situation is much better in young generations. We always need perspectives as many to not run into hate.
Three standouts to me when i visited Singapore in the late 80s... Signs in cabs (all Mercedes) saying "no spitting". Only Caucasians wore shorts. 9am was deadsville while 10pm was busy. Bonus thing were the ketchup bottles on the tables at KFC.
I'm here to say I partially agree with her points. I live in South East Asia. I am Chinese but born in my own country, not in China. The tourist who can afford to travel to Australia might be a better class of tourist, but my country's currency is not as strong as AU, so we are a 'cheaper' tourist destination for Mainland tourist so the caliber of people that come here is not the same as your experience. The rudeness, impatient, selfish, self-centered manner of these tourist paints a negative picture of China tourist as a whole. I actually worked in retail here for a couple of years as well and yeah, she's right, I love their money, but I dislike them as a whole. Credit where credit is due, they are leading the world in EV and other tech. The way everything is so fast and efficient is like living in the future. The younger generation does not seem as bad as the older people. But her points should not all to be discounted. The Chinese people need to continue to work on the culture that was lost during the Chinese revolution. A bit of that old fashioned Confucianism wouldn't hurt.
Uff you’re the first to comment here in agreement with her. Maybe this is more a regional problem as the comments coming out of Australia, Europe and the US seem to be in agreement with my experiences. So maybe it really is that you guys are getting the lower quality tourists :/ Sorry to hear that.
@@Evildea Humans are pack animals and thus, in general, individuals are good. Unfortunately, conflict occurs between packs. And pack leaders can encourage or discourage cooperation. The current leader prefers the latter.
Propaganda in schools are still rampant. Maybe new generation of Chinese living outside China are getting open minded but Chinese living in China are being thought differently Respect are gained because of status of living not by personality, empathy are also non existent. My gf is Chinese and I always get a nagging about me talking about fighting for freedom saying as long as she’s fine she doesn’t care about what government or other people do
I actually watched this video coz it came up on my feed. I pretty much came up with the conclusion that it was total BS and the next day when another one came up I clicked on hide button. With regards to the school system as a father of kids who have recently completed it here in Australia I can confirm that they do not teach them any respect whatsoever.
Hi my friend, would you be willing to make a video about how to grind through the early stages where media consumption is basically impossible to do in a timely manner? I know about 600-700 words in my TL but its not nearly enough for me to consume any content that's comprehensible and not absolutely draining. I'm quite a ways in (I learn about 10 new words a day) and its becoming so hard to continue and wondering if I'm even making progress.
The algorithm shuffled out her video to me, probably because I've been watching other Chinese content creators. Straightaway it didn't pass the smell test. I live in London, not far from the British Museum, which has bus-loads of Chinese travellers every day, along with many other nationalities. They seemed to have no problem joining the often long queues to get in. The same with spitting or other unmannerly behaviour. I see someone below mentioned Falun Gong, and I've come across their stuff before. She must have been challenged about this very thing as she made a disclaimer that she has nothing to do with them. She certainly has an axe to grind. All cultures have a less mannerly element. It's a constant with cultures that some will look down on others as being bad representatives, and hold some fantasy about a lost past where everyone was a model citizen. I don't know enough about her to say what it might be, but she is certainly motivated to give mainland Chinese a bad rep.
I’ve only ever heard of Falun Gong in passing. I saw a small protest for it a few times in Sydney. So I’ve never really looked into it beyond reading their banners. I’m now reading up on it. And you’re totally right, she’s definitely got an axe to grind :/
We have a lot of Chinese tourists in Poland in Cracow as well, I live 1,5 hr by train from Cracow and I see Chinese tourists quite often. I always confirm by eavesdropping and listening what they speak (can distinguish between the Asian big three (or four): Chinese, Japanese, Korean and Hindu), so I am sure what I hear. No issues.
Speaking of spitting on the street, I once heard a thing, that this is based on some sort of belief, that it is good for health not to keep these rypes of liquids in your body and to get rid of it as soon as possible. In other words, this is some sort of a healty habit according to this belief. I have no idea how and why did it originate and is that true overall, but that's what I heard once, without living in China or researching into it. I also suppose, that it is rather a generational thing, spread basically among older ones. If I'm wrong or you know more about this, than me, feel free to correct me, I don't mind at all :D
I’ve only ever heard that from westerners explaining why Chinese do it. But then again I’ve never actually asked a Chinese person as I didn’t want to be rude. I’ll need to find out if this is true or not.
toki jan Evildea You might be interested in a video the channel "Veritas et caritas" made called 'Don't trust "China channels"'. There seem to be a number of Falun Gong related channels producing anti-china content. I don't know if the video in question is related to that, but there a lot of similarities
I'm sure in most cases one jerk ruins it for everyone and that's a shame. As an American, part of me is glad that the world's worst tourist reputation has shifted away from us. Haha. I've never run into any shitty Chinese tourists.I do think there's an age component. I think my parent's generation (but not my parent's specifically) was maybe more interested in traveling to a country and staying in a nice hotel. Go to Mexico or a cruise around the Caribbean and never actually interact with the country. I think myself and my generation is more interested in the country itself, the people. And that does require conscientiousness. On the flip side when tourists come here I like to talk to them. Try to be a good host and a good guest. When in Rome, ya know? I remember one of the Tropico games, one of the tourists would say, "I want a hamburger!" Peak tourist energy. I think the bluntness is jarring to someone who isn't used to it. Mother-in-law: "Hi Neutrino, you're looking fat recently." Haha. Translation, "You've gained weight, are you well?" hahaa. For whatever reason, this video made me think of a certain RUclips channel that I'm pretty sure is Chinese state-supported propaganda in Esperanto. On the one hand I find it a little annoying, on the other I guess it's flattering that they think it's worth the time and effort. Maybe if we convince the US Esperanto is a battleground they'll both escalate it. Infinite Esperanto glitch lol.
@@Evildea Comment with Lucia seems to be pretty overt to me, lots of red flags (so to speak), although I've not looked at the channel in ages. Perhaps also Shanny Love Esperanto. That one isn't bad to me. She seems friendly. Mostly cultural things, food things. No real politics involved, but it does get flagged as China state-controlled media. Which I did suspect when watching. But it'd be a cool collab if you ran into her in China. I used to listen to the Chinese radio/podcast news station in Esperanto. It had such a...unique cadence to speaking. I always figured it was a tonal language speaker trying to be very rigid in a non-tonal language.
I checked out that ‘Comment with Lucia’ and it totally is. I’m aware of the other one already as years back she reached out wondering if I wanted to do some remote work for Chinese International Radio so she is as well but at least her channel is really cool :)
Oh there is so much I wanna say in response to her weird video! Like she is massively generalising, she seems like she's been "hurt" by her parents but says it's a countrywide problem. She also seems to n idea that the education system in the west also doesn't focus on being nice,hell it's even getting worse and worse nowadays. Her view of what respect is in China is also heavily from what respect is from a western point of view. Just like what e "universal" civility is which is basically any kind of behavior westerners like, such as being bowed to or something. (what is regarded as civility is bs btw) As you said she is catering towards a certain audience who already have a perceived view of China so she has to please them to get their likes or continuous views. And issues such as the skipping lines I also find to be rather rare incidents in China nowadays.
Personally, I hope you don't do more videos on this woman. It's a downer and plants negative seeds into people's minds around China. Yeah, some points she makes are valid, but I still don't like hearing it too much since it's not inspiring for Mandarin learning since it can create resistance to the culture. I'm not saying mature awareness of cultural problems is stupid, but i do not think it's good for language students to go deep into anti China rabbit holes. If you're keen on learning Mandarin, the more cool the culture is to you, the more motivated you'll be...if folks think the culture sucks, motivation goes into the toilet.
I won’t be doing more reviews of her. I might do more reviews on culture and other stuff in general, but definitely not her. Usually I only review a creator once.
I actually sat on this video for roughly a week. It’s totally not my usual kind of video and only really decided to post it as my camera mic has died and it was still sitting in the backlog waiting to go public.
I lived in China for 7 years. Let's be real: Mainland Chinese are rather... inconsiderate. Cutting in lines is very common, nose picking and spitting are daily occurences, listening to brainrot on Douyin without headphones is not QUITE as bad as it was a few years ago but it's still very common, and they never clean up after themselves after eating at a restaurant. Customer service is also quite curt. These are undeniable. HOWEVER, I find it a little unfair when some people compare Chinese manners to Western ones or especially Japanese ones because that's comparing a developing country with a "1st world" one. If you're gonna compare, you should at least be comparing China to India or Vietnam or other developing economies. When viewed under that lens, Chinese mannerisms don't stick out too too bad imo.
I think every developing nation would be considered inconsiderate from a developed nations perspective. The difference is probably that China has modernised at break neck speed and it’s also in the middle of a international spat with the US right now (when isn’t it lol) so things like this are promoted among those looking for reasons to hate on Chinese. I still think tourists aren’t that bad though as compared to the everyday poor person on the street in China.
@Evildea Not necessarily. Thailand and Philippines are also developing nations but have very friendly populaces. Also China has not modernized as quickly as Taiwan, Korea, Japan, Singapore, or even Ireland has (all countries that shot from impoverished to first-world economies in only a single generation... Meanwhile it's been three generations since the CCP took power and China's still relatively poor). So "breakneck speed"? I wouldn't say so.
Finally, you can't argue with results. If you ask any Asian nation which tourists they dread the most, their answer will be unanimous: Chinese. And this was well before 2012 when the spat with the US took off. I agree some RUclipsrs look for any excuse to hate on China but at the same time China is far from blameless.
@ you can’t really compare Taiwan to China as the population differences are insane. Much easier to manage a smaller population, especially one the size of Singapore. A more accurate comparison would be India or Indonesia. Japan and Korea were basically outposts of the US up until recently and thus were heavily influenced by the western culture. This is obviously through how much even their languages have changed. Something like 30% of Korean words are of English origin now. Japanese is in a similar situation. I think in 30 years or so manners like everything else will evolve along similar paths.
@@Evildea If cozying up to Western culture means going from an impoverished, war-torn wasteland into one of the most developed countries in the world in a single generation, wouldn't that be the smart way to go?
@ Now we’re just getting into historical hypotheticals. I can’t really say either one way or another what would the world look like today in that situation.
I find it interesting that you haven't personally witnessed many of the things she was talking about, because I definitely have observed everything she mentioned very commonly among Chinese people.
Fully support you, thanks for sharing your experience. She should limit her critique to her family.
Thanks man
❤ I am glad things are changing for the better. It does take time for anyone to change, not need to say for the whole country.
After spending too much time on tiktok I've learned what this is called: rage bait. I don't like it because it lacks substance. I'm all for a critique view of China's societal norms and customs based on actual data and deep analysis. But this video is just hate.
I feel the same way
Great video, I do like to hear about your personal experiences. Although this is not your usual niche, but you are right to speak on this subject.
Thanks, yeah, it’s definitely not something I’m accustomed to talking about. Just hit a little too close to home for comfort. :)
@@EvildeaThat woman seems a bit bonkers to me. It feels wrong to me to let that slide.
Thanks for your view. You are telling the truth. And i believe shanshan is also telling the truth, but part of the truth. I can understand her angry. However the situation is much better in young generations. We always need perspectives as many to not run into hate.
Three standouts to me when i visited Singapore in the late 80s... Signs in cabs (all Mercedes) saying "no spitting". Only Caucasians wore shorts. 9am was deadsville while 10pm was busy. Bonus thing were the ketchup bottles on the tables at KFC.
Very interesting. There are signs here in China everywhere that say “no spitting”. China is very lively at night time as well.
I'm here to say I partially agree with her points. I live in South East Asia. I am Chinese but born in my own country, not in China. The tourist who can afford to travel to Australia might be a better class of tourist, but my country's currency is not as strong as AU, so we are a 'cheaper' tourist destination for Mainland tourist so the caliber of people that come here is not the same as your experience.
The rudeness, impatient, selfish, self-centered manner of these tourist paints a negative picture of China tourist as a whole. I actually worked in retail here for a couple of years as well and yeah, she's right, I love their money, but I dislike them as a whole.
Credit where credit is due, they are leading the world in EV and other tech. The way everything is so fast and efficient is like living in the future. The younger generation does not seem as bad as the older people. But her points should not all to be discounted. The Chinese people need to continue to work on the culture that was lost during the Chinese revolution. A bit of that old fashioned Confucianism wouldn't hurt.
Uff you’re the first to comment here in agreement with her. Maybe this is more a regional problem as the comments coming out of Australia, Europe and the US seem to be in agreement with my experiences. So maybe it really is that you guys are getting the lower quality tourists :/ Sorry to hear that.
Schooling in China has changed drastically in the last few years in terms of respect for others.
Good to hear!
@@Evildea no, it is not. Wrong direction
@@Evildea Humans are pack animals and thus, in general, individuals are good. Unfortunately, conflict occurs between packs. And pack leaders can encourage or discourage cooperation. The current leader prefers the latter.
Propaganda in schools are still rampant. Maybe new generation of Chinese living outside China are getting open minded but Chinese living in China are being thought differently
Respect are gained because of status of living not by personality, empathy are also non existent.
My gf is Chinese and I always get a nagging about me talking about fighting for freedom saying as long as she’s fine she doesn’t care about what government or other people do
who knew western audiences love it when a chinese criticizes other chinese?
I actually watched this video coz it came up on my feed. I pretty much came up with the conclusion that it was total BS and the next day when another one came up I clicked on hide button. With regards to the school system as a father of kids who have recently completed it here in Australia I can confirm that they do not teach them any respect whatsoever.
I guess nothing has changed with schooling then :/
Hi my friend,
would you be willing to make a video about how to grind through the early stages where media consumption is basically impossible to do in a timely manner?
I know about 600-700 words in my TL but its not nearly enough for me to consume any content that's comprehensible and not absolutely draining. I'm quite a ways in (I learn about 10 new words a day) and its becoming so hard to continue and wondering if I'm even making progress.
I’ll add it to the list
@@Evildea thank you!
The algorithm shuffled out her video to me, probably because I've been watching other Chinese content creators. Straightaway it didn't pass the smell test. I live in London, not far from the British Museum, which has bus-loads of Chinese travellers every day, along with many other nationalities. They seemed to have no problem joining the often long queues to get in. The same with spitting or other unmannerly behaviour.
I see someone below mentioned Falun Gong, and I've come across their stuff before. She must have been challenged about this very thing as she made a disclaimer that she has nothing to do with them. She certainly has an axe to grind.
All cultures have a less mannerly element. It's a constant with cultures that some will look down on others as being bad representatives, and hold some fantasy about a lost past where everyone was a model citizen.
I don't know enough about her to say what it might be, but she is certainly motivated to give mainland Chinese a bad rep.
I’ve only ever heard of Falun Gong in passing. I saw a small protest for it a few times in Sydney. So I’ve never really looked into it beyond reading their banners. I’m now reading up on it.
And you’re totally right, she’s definitely got an axe to grind :/
We have a lot of Chinese tourists in Poland in Cracow as well, I live 1,5 hr by train from Cracow and I see Chinese tourists quite often. I always confirm by eavesdropping and listening what they speak (can distinguish between the Asian big three (or four): Chinese, Japanese, Korean and Hindu), so I am sure what I hear. No issues.
Speaking of spitting on the street, I once heard a thing, that this is based on some sort of belief, that it is good for health not to keep these rypes of liquids in your body and to get rid of it as soon as possible. In other words, this is some sort of a healty habit according to this belief. I have no idea how and why did it originate and is that true overall, but that's what I heard once, without living in China or researching into it. I also suppose, that it is rather a generational thing, spread basically among older ones. If I'm wrong or you know more about this, than me, feel free to correct me, I don't mind at all :D
I’ve only ever heard that from westerners explaining why Chinese do it. But then again I’ve never actually asked a Chinese person as I didn’t want to be rude. I’ll need to find out if this is true or not.
toki jan Evildea
You might be interested in a video the channel "Veritas et caritas" made called 'Don't trust "China channels"'. There seem to be a number of Falun Gong related channels producing anti-china content. I don't know if the video in question is related to that, but there a lot of similarities
Never heard of those channels :/ I’ll take a look.
I'm sure in most cases one jerk ruins it for everyone and that's a shame. As an American, part of me is glad that the world's worst tourist reputation has shifted away from us. Haha. I've never run into any shitty Chinese tourists.I do think there's an age component. I think my parent's generation (but not my parent's specifically) was maybe more interested in traveling to a country and staying in a nice hotel. Go to Mexico or a cruise around the Caribbean and never actually interact with the country. I think myself and my generation is more interested in the country itself, the people. And that does require conscientiousness. On the flip side when tourists come here I like to talk to them. Try to be a good host and a good guest. When in Rome, ya know? I remember one of the Tropico games, one of the tourists would say, "I want a hamburger!" Peak tourist energy.
I think the bluntness is jarring to someone who isn't used to it. Mother-in-law: "Hi Neutrino, you're looking fat recently." Haha. Translation, "You've gained weight, are you well?" hahaa.
For whatever reason, this video made me think of a certain RUclips channel that I'm pretty sure is Chinese state-supported propaganda in Esperanto. On the one hand I find it a little annoying, on the other I guess it's flattering that they think it's worth the time and effort. Maybe if we convince the US Esperanto is a battleground they'll both escalate it. Infinite Esperanto glitch lol.
Ohh which RUclips channel?
@@Evildea Comment with Lucia seems to be pretty overt to me, lots of red flags (so to speak), although I've not looked at the channel in ages. Perhaps also Shanny Love Esperanto. That one isn't bad to me. She seems friendly. Mostly cultural things, food things. No real politics involved, but it does get flagged as China state-controlled media. Which I did suspect when watching. But it'd be a cool collab if you ran into her in China.
I used to listen to the Chinese radio/podcast news station in Esperanto. It had such a...unique cadence to speaking. I always figured it was a tonal language speaker trying to be very rigid in a non-tonal language.
I checked out that ‘Comment with Lucia’ and it totally is. I’m aware of the other one already as years back she reached out wondering if I wanted to do some remote work for Chinese International Radio so she is as well but at least her channel is really cool :)
Oh there is so much I wanna say in response to her weird video! Like she is massively generalising, she seems like she's been "hurt" by her parents but says it's a
countrywide problem. She also seems to n idea that the education system in the west also doesn't focus on being nice,hell it's even getting worse and worse nowadays. Her view of what respect is in China is also heavily from what respect is from a western point of view. Just like what e "universal" civility is which is basically any kind of behavior westerners like, such as being bowed to or something. (what is regarded as civility is bs btw) As you said she is catering towards a certain audience who already have a perceived view of China so she has to please them to get their likes or continuous views. And issues such as the skipping lines I also find to be rather rare incidents in China nowadays.
Yeah I feel like she comes from a bad family and is now taking it out on all Chinese :/
RUclips recommended one of her videos to me, and I don’t think I watched more than 2-3 minutes before I turned it off in disgust.
Now we must struggle together through this review. Sorry about that lol.
@ nah, it’s fine, I feel validated now😂
ne krokadilu, kara
Mi krokodilas ĉar mi volas, ke pli da homoj sciiĝu pri Esperanto.
She is CCP educated, little pink. Ask your wife what it means..
Personally, I hope you don't do more videos on this woman. It's a downer and plants negative seeds into people's minds around China.
Yeah, some points she makes are valid, but I still don't like hearing it too much since it's not inspiring for Mandarin learning since it can create resistance to the culture. I'm not saying mature awareness of cultural problems is stupid, but i do not think it's good for language students to go deep into anti China rabbit holes. If you're keen on learning Mandarin, the more cool the culture is to you, the more motivated you'll be...if folks think the culture sucks, motivation goes into the toilet.
I won’t be doing more reviews of her. I might do more reviews on culture and other stuff in general, but definitely not her. Usually I only review a creator once.