One of my videos uses the song "In The Hall of the Mountain King," a royalty free song available on youtube's own audio library. It was claimed for copyright infringement. (For those unaware, youtube has creation tools featuring music they ENCOURAGE you to use.) Why that song was claimed boggles my mind.
Are you serious!? That is some real crap. I mean its a free song from RUclips. I have a few uploads with their music too!...This is beyond words at this point. The Death of RUclips...hello Twitch.
It wouldn't surprise me if the algorithm was accidentally flagging stuff in the name of the GEMA. Here in Germany, they have this silly monopoly rule that can be basically summed up with "All your songs are belong to us, unless you can prove otherwise"
This is the most logical and heart-felt debate over this system that I've seen thus far. EVERYTHING was covered, and covered perfectly - and it didn't even end on a 'RUclips are dicks and this is the end of everything' note - but instead, a much more reasonable and compromised note that actually presents decent steps forward to fixing this whole thing - not just for critics - but for everyone. Fucking respect, Joe.
Thanks for this. As a non-partnered channel, I was just under the impression that everyone had to deal with this and it's just impossible to monetize a Let's Play. Everything I put up get's flagged and disabled for monetization. The ones that don't get flagged WILL get flagged once they reach a certain number of views. Twitch.TV is the only place that will pay for video game related content in my experience.
Would Twitch really be Better? How would I make my stuff work there? Would I need to make an Account and Upload Videos just like RUclips or does it work Differently?
Exactly why I'm creating my own website. RUclips is essentially a FREE TOOL for exposure and advertising your name. That's what companies putting their commercials up here saw it as back in the day. It was something so amazing because you can manage and talk to a fanbase regularly, get your name out there for free, THEN they made a way to make money off advertisements as a PRIVILEGE really. So at the end of the day, as a private website, RUclips can change TOS and do whatever the fuck they want and screw over everyone, sadly. Yes, this is a job. A risky one. People don't realize that depending on this as their main source of income is outright dangerous. I monetize my videos and such but no matter how much money I make, I'd never sit back and get comfortable with this. At the end of the day, it's not my site and RUclips will always have leverage over me. They are in control. Are you willing to accept that they have control? Don't put all your eggs into one basket. We can complain all we want but we KNOW they aren't going to change shit, as always. They laugh in our faces as long as they keep making money cause they know we'll keep posting videos and just suck up the abuse...Or will we? We can bitch and moan and stay under the man, or we can ACTUALLY be creative and make something for ourselves. Make your own site if anything. True fans will still go visit you. Make the investment like RUclips did by creating this site. Tip to avoid copyright tags: Just mute your let's plays so that game music doesn't leak through.
I don't knock people for playing video games but if they really want it as a serious career they have to aspire to do MORE than youtube too. This shit really only goes so far. I personally only see this as incentive money for my videos and to fund some of my smaller productions like buying new mics and shit for my films. I did youtube for 5+ years without being paid lmao. People get too used to being paid for their videos and that's why everyone joins and sticks on youtube just for that(Not speaking about AngryJoe, just speaking about other people that want to join just for a quick buck). This shit isn't really something to rely on as your sole income source. I don't think ANY job is.
Yes I do realize how expensive it is. Only those that take the largest leap of faith are the ones that are successful. Gotta have that vision. I'd rather try and fall than to have a bunch of "what ifs" in my life.
you're contradicting yourself. going on and on about how youtube is unreliable as a job to then end saying that every job is, making it a moot point. "at any job, there's a chance of getting fired every day, so why bother eh?" is what you're really saying. but that's not how the world works. not everyone can be their own boss.
Joe, you are an extremely hard worker and absolutely deserve to be compensated for your work! Consider contacting Electronic Frontier Foundation to look into lawsuits for illegal copyright claims of content that is legally covered by Fair Use doctrine. Not to profit, but to punish abusers and to force RUclips to change their extremely one-sided policies.
Funny thing is, Several of my videos got flagged too, while I play my own interpretations and arrangements of music from games on piano. Somehow the system even recognizes the melodies on a different instrument in original content. Even some of my own compositions got wrongly flagged to some person I couldn't even find anywhere on internet. And above all, I don't earn any money with my videos on RUclips. I wouldn't mind if a company approached me and asked me not to do what I do, but this automated system is just dumb and flags anything without even checking if it's legal use and let's use worry about disputing all hundreds of videos.
It can recognize modified melodies on different instruments, but cannot recognize a video (such as a Family Guy clip) that has been ever so slightly distorted from the original resolution... it's almost like RUclips is *trying* to get us (collectively, I don't post content so I'm fine [hopefully :/] )!
Remix Maker There's a reason why RUclips bans and demonetizes videos instead of taking people to court. We signed away our rights in the Terms of Service. That means RUclips can do whatever they want to our comments, videos, and profiles. But if they tried to take a RUclipsr to court for stealing content, they would get their ass served. And having a ToS to hide behind doesn't mean they aren't immune to their community leaving or protesting their dumbass decisions. We need to scream, rage and vote with our wallets to fix this.
EricLeafericson There are limits to the Terms of Service. Although the videos, comments, etc. are essentially their property, they still have to follow a set of guidelines. They can't do ANYTHING they want with the stuff on RUclips, just like kitchen knives are our property but we shouldn't use them for any malicious intent (such as murder). Also, if RUclips was taken to court by some of us, they wouldn't indefinitely lose. Think about it, Google is a large, wealthy corporation with lots of good, high-paying lawyers and most likely lots of defendants. Many of us are just simple people, without the money nor the evidence to convict them of any wrongdoings. Also, to combine the thoughts of millions of people into a single case to present against them would be incredibly difficult and impractical (forgot the term for that mass court case)
Darticus the Great I see your point about some copyright company playing courtroom stall. But it's far cheaper for them to just delete your account. And a group of people can collectively sue one company. It's called a class action suit, and I hope RUclips loses to one. That would be a neat little kick-starter, wouldn't it? Someone more knowledgeable about law than me notices a loophole in RUclips's copyright claiming system, and crowd-sources the legal fees to take on RUclips. The reward for donating to the Kickstarter is to receive representation during the case, and getting a cut of the damages RUclips will pay. The more people donate, the more the lawyer can sue for, and the more money RUclips has to pay.
EricLeafericson Right, thanks for reminding me of the name. Class action suit, I knew that :P Anyway, that would be quite interesting (though not sure if possible) to start a pledge to sue RUclips on Kickstarter
So, they can get the money for their 10 seconds of clip and also for the 20 MINS OF YOUR HARD WORK? They are monetizing content that does not belong to Them, so they are doing exactly the same thing that we are getting penalized for. Hypocrates laws and Companies.
***** they implemented this so that when these so called "companies" come bitching to youtube/google they can just go "we have nothing to do with this, here is our system, claim your music."
Thats true. We just have to think about the new comment system or the new design and now this ID-System. All this have the same in common: Its all full of bugs. Most publishers even did not send all those claims and they want our videos of their games! For now its full of pirates, illegal things like we had with the new comments system just some weeks ago.... so im curious what Google wants to apologize for that. A simple "Sorry" is not enough....
All the claims we have disputed have been rejected for us. Most of the disputes are in the games we are playing, like GTAV. It's troublesome for us, because the only way to fight it now is to appeal it. If that falls through, then we get copyright strikes for no reason. We honestly haven't a clue as to what to do now. I agree with Joe, split the rev on situations like this. We have a video were there are claimed by, literally, 17 companies. All music related, due to the music played in Saints Row IV. The disputes were rejected. What do we do now? RUclips, please fix this!
My videos are being claimed for using songs that I never used! I was flagged for using the "Assassin's Creed III" soundtrack, but I never used it! Ever!
Ubisofts policies are different from most. They're cool about it and I quote (Not really) "We don't give a shit about our content you're promoting it... Be our guests.
RUclips is broken right now, there is NO excuse for this. This is borderline illegal! Small clips can be used for parody. Does Saturday Night Live have to pay everyone that they parody???? This is out of hand and needs fixed asap!
I don't think they should receive any percent of revenue. Nobody buys 15% of a song, nobody buys 1% of a movie. You shouldn't have to just to have them shown in your video for what is essentially free advertisement. You're providing a free independent service for these people, they have no right to demand money from you.
Your not alone in dealing with this RUclips Copyright BS. A few Mash-Ups i've tried to upload have been flagged and blocked by random companies. Even a V-log I have uploaded now got flagged because or a song that you can BARELY hear playing in the background of Walmart, and it really pisses me off. I agree with you all the way, RUclips, GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER!
***** "I have no sympathy for people who want to use other's intellectual property for their own purposes, and especially if they want to monetize." then how come games are ok and legal to play on youtube? the problem is not the content itself the problem is the music itself that are within a game or a video that you have created. I think you don't understand the actual issue because you dont know the internet nor youtube.
Lokim23 you mean just strip away all the modern "features" of youtube. and leave it so you can comment to anyone and upload anything thats not a complete film
Dude let's face it. Who are you really? You are a nobody. What makes you think I'm going to jump off a bridge because a nobody has told me to? Who still makes Justin Bieber references as insults too? Seriously dude you need a break from the internet. lol
I just discovered you today bro and I just wanna say thank you for explaining all this. As a fellow content creator who needs to use copyrighted material to illustrate points, you have helped me to understand the position i am in. 4 years of hard work.....
It's the only system that goes completely against standard law and copyright enforcement. Where the burden of proof isn't on the accuser, you're already guilty if you get content ID matches. So yeah, It's literally being told you're guilty until you can prove otherwise, How did that mentality even get HERE? What happened to "Don't be evil" google? The percentage share, I can agree with.
TheEvilAdventurer Heyo! :) This has hit me pretty hard too, I paused making videos obviously because of this disaster. So I'm sorry for the long wait for my next one.
This was a much better video than the other. It can be argued that you were upset, and rightfully so. Also, you're AngryJoe so it's to be expected. Regardless, both videos showcased your passion and enthusiasm for games, and how these copyright shenanigans as of late are impacting it. I really like your idea about the revenue percentage if companies end up claiming your video for however long the use in question is. It's much more fair than just outright 100% for them, and none for the content creator. I realize that companies like Nintendo and Sega would just claim 100% of the video in question with this system as well, and if that's the case we just have to simply not do videos on their stuff. It sucks that that's the road we have to take, but in the end it's the developers loss in potential sales. The Content ID system is terribly flawed, as a good many developers had no idea that this was happening up until now. Hopefully with their backing we'll be able to come up with a better compromise to all of this. Your revenue idea is a great start, hopefully more positive things are on the way. Thanks for being real Joe, as a gamer and smaller content creator it's very much appreciated!
Ironically companies PAY money to show off trailers in TV in cinema. How can they not be ok with promoting it for free? They should love the viral impact of youtube and social media.
Because the TV ad does not review it. The TV ad is made by the company so it only shows the pros not the cons. Angry Joe stands on the consumers' side, so the industries don't like it, but we comsumers love it but we are little so there's not much we can do, unless we do a blood pledge like, "WE'RE NOT GONNA BUY ANY FUCKIN GAME UNLESS JOE REVIEWS IT".
It's kind of stupid if you think about it. I don't think some of these companies even know what free advertisment really is or the impact it has on them.
They usually are and the companies that receive this b-roll footage and have it get content flagged tend to take it up with the companies in question who all respond with "Well, that shouldn't happen.' RUclips content ID matching doesn't discriminate between legitimate permission to show things and outright piracy, and the only company known to actually enforce this system in their videos is Nintendo, and that's because they're Japanese and don't understand new media enough.
***** I remember youtube a few years ago. How the music business tried to stop youtube from having music video clips on it. There was a huge fuzz all about it. Now we jump to 2013 and guess what. Music video clips get released first on youtube. Hell MTV and all those stations hardly air music video clips anymore, they all went to "reallity" tv crap. Movie video clips are now specially made for youtube and music is very normal on youtube. Pirating music is illigal but listening to it on youtube is perfectly legal as a lot of bands have official channels here. With the smart thing of having a iTunes buy button/link in it. Why? Because it works. The game industry is years behind on the music industry. Why not do the same as the music industry. Instead of having iTunes have links to online stores where people can buy it. Imagine how much more money that will earn them. RUclipsrs are a great way to advertise your game without you having to do a darn thing for it. Have that link and bam, you sit on gold. But i think it can goes two ways now. Either youtube goes to fix things and publishers will see the future (hell most of them do, i mean Ubisoft, Blizzard, and plenty of others already said they are not flagging a thing, that they are happy with the youtubers making movies). Or youtube will soon be another "youtube? Oh wasn't that a big site one day before videosaresocooltowatch became a great hit?". Cause youtube is making some lethal mistakes lately and this can't last forever. People do get sick and tired of it eventually and move on.
I know I'm late here. But I'll always support you man, there are a lot of people out there doing similar kinds of things that you do, but I don't know anyone as committed, dedicated, true and honest about everything like you are. I have a lot of respect for you because of that, and is the reason why I've been following your videos for years now. Don't ever give up on it. - A loyal fan.
Dead bees and dead deer, dead crows and dead cows are more than can be counted but no one seems to care. The Earth quakes and it shakes, it moves and it slides. And all seems to be snoozing like a bear in a cave. Tornadoes and tsunamis, tropical storms and typhoons. And no one gets the point, as if nothing is happening. And so you may be saying " why should I care about these things? They happens all the time". So let me remind you in case you know not, their intensity has increased as a pregnant woman in pain that about to give birth. Our planet is dying, our planet is dimming and soon you will too if you know the Lord not. So you think it's a joke when one says "the end's near". And so you may be laughing and so you may be mocking. You may laugh all you want, you may mock all you can but there's just a little thing that I think you should know and it's that God is not mock so you better watch out. So if you are dozing then now it's time to wake up because the bridegroom is coming and you better be ready. And out of curiosity you may be asking" How can I get ready, I've sin all my life?" It's simple really as all you'll have to do is believe upon the One who can wash away your sins and make you as pure as gold refine in a fiery furnace. His name is Jesus. Yes Jesus the Christ. The lamb of God, and the savior of mankind. So what are you waiting for? Death to coming knocking on your door? By then it'll be too late so it's wise to serve Him now. Just you remember friend, life is so very short. So make the right choice before you lose all your voice.
Jude Dominique no offense dude your comment was ok and all but people like you need to accept not everyone is christian and so stop trying to convert everyone its god dam annoying.
Jude Dominique I bet you spent all night working on that or did you just copy and past that from some other bible thumping, Christian pushing site? Not everyone wants to hear about god or Jesus every second of everyday. And on that note how the flying fuck did this have anything to do with what Joe was talking about in this video? People like you need to just shut the hell up about your beliefs, you don't hear devil worshipers pushing their shit so don't press your shit where it don't belong.
I'm a really small content producer here and my most viewed video has been claimed and won against 3 of my requests. The video is a comedy on how the english in marvel vs capcom can sound as portuguese. And I subtitled it. At one point, one character sounds like he is saying JESUS! - RUclips claims that the word JESUS on the video is claimed by the largest religious channel in Brazil and I lost all the revenue for the my most viewed video (500k plus) and NEVER got any response from either party.
ThePrinceOfSaiyajins The name Jesus is copyright?! Doesn't "copyright" wear out after, what, 50 years? Or a given set number? 2000 years?! Besides, I don't think any of the writers of the New Testament placed a claim in with the Copyright office... The name is, legally, fair game and free usage to ALL. In any event, you CANNOT COPYRIGHT A NAME under ANY of our legal systems. (Sure, God could, but since he didn't copyright his son's name - there were a few in Israel's history that had it before Jesus - then even THAT point is moot) What on earth is going on with RUclips?
You know, I'm beginning to think someone at Google is trolling pretty much EVERYONE by turning RUclips into a testing ground for an ID program in its ALPHA stage.
In regards to Joe's Inception review he highlights MC for Warner Bros. Warners will never give you ownership. I have done mini documentaries on the Superman and Batman films and you can never get past Warners claims. Warners policy is that you can use their footage and they won't block it but you CAN NOT make money from it even though your review clearly falls under fair use for criticism and for educational purposes. It sucks!.
Jack the Stripper Nobody's stealing anything. Copyright laws are fucking fossils from the past. We're in a different time now. Also, everything Joe has made has fallen under fair use.
Jack the Stripper Fair use allows for short clips of the material being reviewed. Otherwise you could never fairly represent a product to the fullest extent. Maybe you should learn something about intellectual property.
***** No, we're in a time where copyright laws don't understand digital content well enough, especially not interactive media like games. We're in a time where people are making content which falls under fair use, but because of the monetary power of publishers and huge corporations, there's nothing that we can do to stop them from abusing everybody.
***** Stop right there. There is NO stealing in showing someones art and praising it for seconds. It would be stealing if you upload a full movie for free and for everybody to watch and then it would be another crime for people earning money with a 1to1 copied version of your product. A review is neither part of both. Hell you even have television reviews of games and movies and nobody gives a serious fuck about it. Hell here in germany we have a crappy game-review show called "gameone" which does basically the same as Joe but most of the time only make bad reviews of good games resulting negative advertisement. They NEVER had a problem with copyrighting and they use soundtracks of games, ingame cutscenes etc. If you review a game you are allowed to use parts of the product you are reviewing to illustrate your point.
Hey Joe. Why not start an online petition and pass it on to other high sub content creators? Probably won't change anything, but it's worth a shot. With all of your subs combined, there would probably be millions of signees.
Hey man, I just checked out your channel. Although I don't like League of Legends, I'd like to say you look very professional and to keep up the great work no matter what.
I didn't really pay much attention to the controversy but after watching this I can see how it's a potentially huge issue (probably not anticipated to be this significant). If it isn't fixed quickly in a way everyone can accept then it's going to mean a lot of revenue loss for everyone. This guy does an outstanding job of explaining the (hopefully unintended) impact an automated system can have - need to fix this quick google before it snowballs...
Not if I can help it Quick to the setting on my other channels! :D *Jump out window* Oh crap! I'm on the 5th story in the building \(O_O)/ *Bam!* *Car Alarm* I'm o.k.... (~_~)
Joe, I'm just curious, why are you not pushing back on the MCNs at all? Your pains with ContentID is due to you being set as an affiliate. There are networks out there that would give you managed status.
Someone seems to really want to get everyone to leave Polaris/Maker. Sheesh, get yourself together, do your thing and let others do theirs. It's not the affiliate status that's the problem, it's the wrong claims, which are the problem.
The whol affiliate/managed partner thing is stupid to me, it just creates gaps in networks. Honestly I do not get why Joe is not a managed partner but thats not really the issue, Joe got like 62 flags and TB got none because hes managed, it does not seem right to me.
Mostly because he understands that this isn't just about him. Yes he's upset that it effects him but it effects everyone. Ohm I respect you as a youtuber and I love that you are passionate about what you do. But at this point it feels like you have some personal vendetta against Polaris at this point and want them to just fall apart because of what youtube did to the system.
Here's the problem with all of this copyright claim crap! The work of RUclips creators is valued at approximately "0", whereas anyone who creates content for a corporation, their creations are valued at 100%.
Appreciate your video and I agree with your synopsis. Unfortunately and regrettably I fear little will change given the increased copyright nature of our society today. But something does need to be done regarding warentless claims.
MySpace sucked for a long time, but people stuck around because there was nothing better. Then facebook popped up and almost literally overnight, MySpace became a ghost town. RUclips will be next. The moment an alternative pops up, you'll hear nothing but crickets. Only grandparents will be left because nobody told them where everyone else left to.
Exactly right. MySpace damn-near went to hell in a matter of weeks. The same will happen to RUclips. Somebody is out there watching the site go to hell and will seize the opportunity to swoop in and create a profitable alternative. Fuck Google.
Joe is really becoming the mascot of the battle against RUclips. Just as he was one of the biggest mascots against Microsoft in the days before the XBox One was released. He really is one of the most political and forceful Internet personalities out there. It's something I appreciate about him a lot. I especially appreciate that he never really takes an accusatory tone. He tries to understand things from the perspective of the 'villain,' even if their almost obviously wrong. I've admired you for a while, but this video is what earned a subscription. Keep up the great work.
12:36 Yes. They should get a percentage based on what percentage of the video is copyrighted. For this channel, they should get 0% since fair use law in the USA states "Fair use that permits limited use of copyrighted material without acquiring permission from the rights holders" This includes commentary, search engines, criticism, news reporting, research, product review, teaching, library archiving and scholarship. You fall under the product review category. RUclips is breaking the law by forcing false copyright claims like this.
Thanks for this video Joe. I dont make content but I do use YT all the time and understand the value of your work. So thanks for explaining what has happened.
Galnospoke Ummm, no. Gamers are not only first. Removing most payments from RUclips would prevent many people from doing what they love, making content on RUclips. The fact that they can do that is a good thing, and its why we have people like Joe and TB. So, removing the money, and thus removing them, and many others, would be a net negative.
I dont think that you should compare them to each other. The previous one just shows what is going through his mind and doesnt filter any of his emotions. Its not the "Calm Joe Show".
I really hope things turn out okay for you, man. I always wanted to be able to make money off of stuff I make, and I was hoping to look into that around this coming year, yet its situations like this which make me look the other way. I'm not like you. I'm not someone whos had experience of revenue and all. I would be someone just starting out. I'm not experienced or knowledgeable on how the whole thing works, and to be honest it actually kinda scares me on how the penalties might work when you make a mistake and you get a claim alert. I wish you the best of luck with your situation and I hope you can still do your show. If not, then I guess that's the end of the internet. Because if you can't do your show, a lot of others will also probably do the same. I do agree with your ideas and feel they would really make everyone happy. I never made money from content I made, but sharing the revenue makes a lot more sense then one person getting it all, and I wouldn't mind having to deal with that.
***** Thats because of "GEMA", a "copyright collective" that only operates in Germany, and adds even more restraints to RUclips's copyright policies. They even had the "brilliant" idea to let kindergartens pay for copying sheet music for the children...
***** You said the videos got blocked by WMG? As far as I know, thats Warner Music Group. Angry Joe also received some copyright claims by them, and I think they didnt actually release the claims.
***** They are, but if even Angry Joe can't change their minds, then there's not much you can do. I know this sucks, especially if you've put a lot of work into recording and editing the video, but I don't think there's a way to change this. (except for switching to a whole new platform, but we all know how deserted vimeo and the like are ...)
***** I just head over to your channel and watched some parts of the claimed video. It's basically just AC gameplay footage. I have no idea why they could possibly argue it would belong to them. probably their main point is that the video isn't a let's play or a review, it's just a bare playthrough. One of the main laws Angry Joe referred to to protect his videos is that the content is yours if you remix / change it in your video. That obviously doesn't count for playthroughs ...
As someone who's produced their own versions of public domain Christmas tracks, I can safely say that you should never use Public Domain music ever. So I made my own rendition of "Oh Holy Night", and I put it up on youtube for my subscribers to hear. As soon as the video gets done processing, WMG locked me out of doing any edits on the meta tags and information and RUclips sent me an email stating WMG claimed my music. I contested and WMG released my video in early January, well after the christmas season ended. I brought up my protests to WMG and asked that they whitelist my track so my subscribers could use this track in their videos and WMG flat out ignored me. Soooooo from here on out, I will try to make my own original Christmas-spirit style tracks but never anything that's traditional. So many people have had nightmares with public domain tracks because the music industry has already claimed them under certain performances.
That is fantastic.. But everyone knows this ID system is nonsensical BS the supersedes common sense. All while Google invests there time in shit like this> news.msn.com/rumors/rumor-google-planning-microchip-brain-implant
If it's under 30 secs to 1 minute it shouldn't be possible for it to be flagged. If it's longer you should lose the percentage of the video revenue based on how long you used the clip/music/etc. Simple.
mrwho995 Not really. If you're using more than 1 minute of footage/music straight out of the box so to speak then personally I think the creator of that footage/music should be allowed to monetise the section of your video that uses that (which is why I said it would be a percentage thing). Lets players would be no different to what I said. Unless someone is talking over it any _long_ cutscenes should be monetizable if the game companies want them to be. But again, only those cutscenes would give income to the game company, the rest would go to the content creator since he's the one making his own experience throughout the rest of the game.
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Oh boy, here we go. I really admire all your work. You are a very brave man, opening up for us all. You truly inspire us and I sure hope this can make a difference! Oh, and btw, Carl Orff, composer of Carmina Burana (O fortuna), died in 1982. So the music is classic indeed, but it's not public domain.
Well... If they claim the video because 17 seconds of their content, you could claim it again because of the 20 minutes that you made yourself. If they have right have of all the video for seconds,why can´t you do the same? THIS IS JUST UNFAIR
***** That´s the unfair part... Your work is not different than theirs... But 17 seconds of their property are heavier than 20 minutes of Joe´s. I don´t know if it´s more sad, unfair or enfuryating... But it´s all of the above.
***** the big problem is though people who have no legal rights to claim these things(sound clips/video clips) and yet because of youtube they are allowed to. Many game companys and sound compays have sent out apologies and are working fast and hard to get this sorted out. youtube needs to get there shit together.
***** It is unfair.Why do people always say"This is bad,so just stop using it"?Why don´t we ask for improvement and fairness? It´s like saying "If gas costs too much for you,stop using your car and just walk from country to country" I prefer to ask for good things than just running away of anything I don´t like... Specially if it´s good at first and then turn bad
Joe what is happening to your videos is illegal. I dont work in the patent industry, but most of my family does and these people are called "patent trolls", although i guess they would be "copyright trolls" in this case. Its not new tactics by them, but what they are doing is illegal. Dont settle for them taking "the percentage that their X seconds is out of a 30 minute video", then you would actually be feeding an illegal practice. Theoretically, you could counter-sue on probably most (if not all) of alleged infringements. But its very easy to relate to why you feel that it is unfair. But its not "just" unfair, its also downright illegal. You have the law on your side, make the most of it. Punish them! If you dont feel you have the money taking them to court, present the cases to a good copyright lawyer and ill bet you that he/she/they will gladly take the case on a "no cure no pay" basis, where they get a cut of the settlement. If all of the alleged infringements have been done automatically by youtube, then its a different case, but it would still be in violation of law (and probably a lot larger settlement), since they are taking away your money. The videocopilot thing really makes it sound a lot like patent (or "copyright") trolls though. Let their attacks make you rich! Puniiiish!
drksideofthewal holy fucking shit i swear i had the same idea, but not the myspace part lol. i thought to myself, man they should just call a new youtube just for games, MyTube lmao. way to think :D
This isn't RUclips anymore. It's Google+Tube. What a nightmare! You, & those of us who make reviews, critiques, parodies, etc... are being trampled on unjustly.
I was going to start getting into content creation. But one of my friends also going into content creation almost got a claim for containing clips from cartoons, songs, ect...
TheSquid I was, as well. But now my 'dream' is pretty much crushed until something happens, which unlikely will. It's a sad day to know that, once again, we all have been fucked by a big corporation...
The main thing wrong with this video is "Or something like that." Joe, you don't seem to know exactly what is going on. Who is claiming what, why tings are being claimed, etc. SuperBunnyHopShow (or something like that) gave you big ups and explained it a little better than you did. I doubt this post will get much love but here's hoping. The new YT system is beyond fucked man. Much love to you in the future.
I think youtube feels like they can get away with anything but actually they are facing a collapse, If I was a rich opportunist I would make a website that handled content claims much better to make it easier for people. That way youtube would become a myspace
***** 4Skyrim 4cmd you all are forgetting.- youtube was a risk to make. There are already other places you can stream. However, how many of them are noticed at the level of youtube? Do you know that there are other places to show videos from? Twitch is a good alternative - but there are even other websites out there. However, so few people know about them - they are not used as often as youtube. Shoot - TMZ and Entertainment Tonight even has a "youtube" video they show from time to time.
BoydofZINJ what you are missing is that when there is a super company like apple, microsoft, sony, they cant be overcome when they are in their prime. Again I go go back to myspace as an example. Thats why the sites you mentioned are not as big as youtube now, its only when they are weak that they can be topped. So with so much angry businesses and people all against youtube its the perfect timing.
4Skyrim I disagree. Super companies can be toppled - normally when they are at their prime they are also making terrible mistakes. Mistakes that isolate and irate their customer base, because the super companies think they can not lose. Sadly, it is mostly true - but it can happen. When ford was trying to manufacture his first car, there was an organization that tried to stop him - indicating he was selling his vehicles to cheap. He had to fight the Association of Licensed Automobile Manufacturers to get the right to manufacture his car as cheap. There are other examples as well..
FFS. What type of world is this? we're part of, what is now a 'corrupt community'. It's absolutley shocking to see Joe has been crying, let alone how shocking it is to see the fact he's scared to play specific parts of his videos due to being scared they will get flagged, it's disgusting! of all the money this huge companies make and they're after bare minimum income from ad revenue? just inhumain it really is.
***** Oh definitely not judging! I mean, i completely understand the situation he's in, and I would see why, I was just pointing out that he still seems sick also, so that could be part of it.
Your trouble with Video Copilot and their response illustrates one of the biggest problems with copyright enforcement right now. There are virtually no repercussions for people who abuse the system.
Here's my suggestion on how we should fight the content ID system. Everybody, all reviewers like Angryjoe, TotalBiscuit, BlisteredThumbs, Razorfist, ProJared, SmoshGaming, TobyGaming, and let's players like PewDiePie, Markiplier, and more band together to form a class-action lawsuit against not the companies but RUclips for violating the fair use act. Public attention that big could raise major support and gain this illegal act a lot more attention. Either that or Anonymous attacks.
Just had a terrible flu induced dream. RUclips shattered,and all the shards flew into my stomach and ripped my intestines to shreds. I woke up with a really bad stomach ache just now.
Not for them. Less work for RUclips and more for everyone else. Even if RUclips works and trys to help Angry Joe and other high view people; they will not be helping those who barely have any views.... which sucks for them.
I am flagging this video and taking it down because at 25:36 u may not hear it very well but at the slightest sound you can hear an icecream truck go by. The icecream truck was playing a theme... a very specific theme that i once heard when i was 4. Im flagging this video and sueing you for everything you got. You better watch your back joe.
Black Hornet You had no hint of sarcasm whatsoever. That wasn't any joke. And it's not a joke when you tell someone to go fuck themself. If that's a joke to you then you have a terrible sense of humor and you should get a life. Now a rest my case. *puts hands up and walks out the door*
Most of these are Copyfraud, I get a bunch of strikes from INgrooves as well for music I got from Royalty Free Music Websites, they also flagged a few of my Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer videos as well. Also, recently I made a few Call of Duty Ghost singleplayer campaign playthrough (which I had to stop for this reason) and all of them got strikes from BoomerangTV......somehow the system thought Call of Duty Ghost was an episode of Tom & Jerry. I'm sure there are lots more youtubers with similar stories.
Hey Joe I'm a big fan of yours, you actually inspired me to make videos of my own so when I see you getting the same Copyfraud bullshit that I'm getting I thought I make a video response with a little suggestion of my own to help fix this big mess. I hope you see this though I doubt it but I thought it's worth a shot. Response to Angry Joe and RUclips's Copyfraud Content ID System Basically just make sure that whoever is claiming rights to any content on youtube actually owns the rights. Because right now a lot of our claimed content is being claimed by people who don't even have rights to in the first place! Anyways just my two cents. ~Pete
Ozz Ozzy or companies can pull they're heads out of they're asses and stop being assholes and copyrighting shit that doesn't belong to them. I can't even enjoy Star Wars video game play through without seeing copyright from Sony Music Entertainment even though they don't own the rights to star wars music anymore
I feel your pain, but you will never win against what youtube says you can't do.. they will shut down YOUR video ans suck in the adsense money, YOU have worked so hard on. This bigger companies don't get it They are getting FREE ads from you, as you have followers in the millions. They just don't care and you have no control over what they do and do not do Its up to you if you want to continue to stay with youtube or get another job. Its a losing battle you will NEVER will
Yeah it sucks to not know if we can do this or not...I just wish they would listen when we openly say we don't like something they're doing to the system. Sure there are times when we are nitpicking, but I am 100 percent sure they can tell this is more than that and they're just choosing to cover their ears and say "Lalalalala I can't hear you~" like immature brats who only care getting their way.
I have victor entertainment coming at me on my Tekken videos because they distributed the Tekken soundtracks. Namco Bandai owns the music and the music is readily available to buy on Tekken Tag 2's DLC page for their stages. So it's ridiculous that it isn't even Namco that did it. Good thing Namco is helping me with this.
Are you serious? That's utterly ridiculous of them to do, and a perfect example of why...whatever intentions were meant, this system of flagging is absolutely absurd and needs to go.
Something that would solve this is RUclips adding the option to just delete the portions of the videos with that content. Why not just put a black screen up for 15 seconds and say "Deleted for 3rd party match". That way you can keep gathering revenue right after you click the delete matched footage button without having to remake and upload the video and lose your view count. I think this would be an easy solution and that way whoever claims the video can get 100% fine but immediately after you click that button it should switch back to you since you're not using the footage anymore. Would like to hear some opinions on this idea if anyone has anything to add...
That was my thought at first place. I agree with you completely. Give them revenue for a duration which song is in my video. Only way to satisfy both sides and at the end only way when it's completely fair to us.
I would say that RUclips should mandate a link in the description, i.e. song at 4:01 until 4:17 Joey Negro or whatever, so that some people will go check it out and they will also earn money.
Can't you just sue them for stealing your hard earned money?? This is kinda like those companies that collect money for charity like for disasters, hurricane victims, If anyone donates money to a cause like that, these companies TAKE about 95% of the money that YOU donated for those poor people, so they are basicaly making profit of other people's misery and pain, just like these youtube companies are taking your money and they take 100%
Great Video Joe. I saw you first time a few days ago when you were raging about this contend id-system (with good cause, btw). But I didn't like this video so much cause it did not contain so much useful information. Now this one does. Great video. You really put a whole bunch of useful informations in your new one!
Joe, just FYI, the Ministry of Sound is UK's big recording label, very much like EMI or Sony. They are notoriously litigious, they are actually suing Spotify (a commercial music streaming system) because *some user's playlists too closely match their own compilation albums*. The music is completely and legally being streamed by Spotify, but because Ministry of Sound UK thinks the playlist order is *owned* by them due to the fact that they made an album that presents the songs in that order they are suing to have the playlists forcibly removed from user accounts! I mean how fucked up is that?! They think they *OWN* the rights to how songs are organized and listened too!
This is getting ridiculous, the copyright system is so dumb. Revenue Sharing system would make a lot more sense if companies are going to pursue this, them getting 100% of the revenue for a few seconds of footage is hardly fair.
I am now 100% sure that RUclips brings out these new systems half done and completely broken, so that they have something to do with themselves other than count money. Because there is no way a competent company would do this to their user-base. No way. xD
The proper way they should be doing this is that when it gets flagged, both parties are alerted, and it is up to the "infringed" party to decide whether to pursue the monetization or not. and if they do pursue it, and get disputed and lose, i think there should be a fine. That would discourage false/frivolous claims.
This is the best flag ever I received a flag on my account for a vlog my air conditioner running and there was no sound just me speaking and my ac running
Instead of auto-flagging videos with the content creators, they need to instead inform the supposed copyright owners about possible claims and leave to them to pursue it or not. At least that way RUclips can say they informed them and put it on their shoulders.
If they can take one of Joe's reviews and give all revenue to another company for a 15 second song, shouldn't Joe be able to flag them for making money off of a video using 20+ minutes of his material?
You can freely use up to 30 second of a copyrighted item, the 17 seconds in that video isn't breaking copyright laws, if you had more than 30 seconds then you can be done for copyright.
Go to a copyright lawyer and you will find that is true. or no site or advert or company would have preview clips other wise you'd need to pay for a lic just to do see a preview clip. So itunes can have preview clips without needing copyright permission, but they need a license to sell or stream full length music. That is the main reason why copyright laws allow for a 30 second clip to be free from copyright claims. Also if a game company put out an advert for a game no one would be legally able to view that advert because you'd need to buy a lic to view such advert. Fair use is something different, in that if your going to use something you make sure it's less than 30 second in length or has something cut like sound but image is kept but always kept to less than 30 seconds in length. and your not using it to promote piracy etc The music clip is 17 second long, so they couldn't say it's a copyright claim as you can use up to 30 seconds without needing copyright permission. Plus he's not trying to promote the artist as such but uses the song to show a point in the game, not about the song.
False. Using a shorter version of a song or video clip is still subject to the same laws as using a longer one. No where in US law is any time limit stated. However, the way he does use their content definitely does fall under fair use, so his use is totally legal. Using a shorter amount of footage just allows you to avoid the retarded content ID system better. There are other tricks that can help skirt around it, such as pitching, cropping, resizing, and mirroring footage.
Actually, you are confusing copyright laws for earning money off something with using it for a school setting. Many school systems state you can use up to 30 seconds for a school project. However, for purpose of earning money it follows a different system. Vantom91 put that correctly
zagan1 I have an entertainment Lawyer. I am a producer on several upcoming short documentaries and we are currently going through clearance. I assure you, the length of time does not matter in any way when dealing with Copyrighted content. You will pay for it regardless if it is 1 second or the entire piece. Unless you can argue fair use (Which sadly I cannot) but angryjoe can.
RUclips shouldn't assume that a 5 second clip of a musical hook would make or break the deal for most people considering to buy a song. This reeks of diminishing returns. By spending more and more money in order to reduce piracy, at some point the effort doesn't make sense from a profitability standpoint.
RUclips isnt doing anything. The same happen with the comment system or even the horrible channel layout. No one liked it, everyone talked about it and they didnt change it. Why? Because they know you use youtube, they know that you are not going to stop using youtube. So they do whatever they feel like. And you alredy stated something similiar in your previous video, they have tons of money they don't give a shit. There's got to be something uge to happen that effect youtube, otherwise they will continue changing to worse and we just have to deal with it
Yeah, the only reason RUclips would ever give a damn about it's users is if they have competition and twitch is our only hope for that. If they allowed video sharing I would never come back here
Dude, this is a very different situation to the comments section. There's a difference between fucking over your customers and fucking over your employees. There's a difference between disliking a channel layout and taking away someone's paycheck. Please don't compare them again.
Because that would require someone who works for Google/RUclips to know more about coding than just rearranging items on the site to make it more obnoxious and changing the rating systems to be less accurate. They would probably end up just removing the audio track from the entire video because his fart sounds to much like the fart in another movie so we can't have similar farts in videos so the entire thing must be taken down. Hell, the audio detection alone should go haywire every time a video with the Wilhelm Scream pops up.
One of my videos uses the song "In The Hall of the Mountain King," a royalty free song available on youtube's own audio library. It was claimed for copyright infringement. (For those unaware, youtube has creation tools featuring music they ENCOURAGE you to use.) Why that song was claimed boggles my mind.
same stuff happened to me!! I am with Fullscreen and this issue was happening. I messaged Fullscreen and they solved it for me
Are you serious!? That is some real crap. I mean its a free song from RUclips. I have a few uploads with their music too!...This is beyond words at this point. The Death of RUclips...hello Twitch.
It wouldn't surprise me if the algorithm was accidentally flagging stuff in the name of the GEMA. Here in Germany, they have this silly monopoly rule that can be basically summed up with "All your songs are belong to us, unless you can prove otherwise"
Would you possibly want to help me out?
RUclips is dead to me after hearing this.
This is the most logical and heart-felt debate over this system that I've seen thus far. EVERYTHING was covered, and covered perfectly - and it didn't even end on a 'RUclips are dicks and this is the end of everything' note - but instead, a much more reasonable and compromised note that actually presents decent steps forward to fixing this whole thing - not just for critics - but for everyone. Fucking respect, Joe.
Oh wow I never expected one of the people I was subscribed to would like angry Joe well actually everyone likes Angry Joe
Yeah Joe's got it right. He isn't just screaming into a camera like some people. Also, your videos are pretty damn funny.
Indeed!
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Did you see his previous video? xD, He was just screaming into a camera, but I feel he had all the right to do so.
Well done, Angry Joe. You speak for all of us. Good job, mate.
Thanks for this. As a non-partnered channel, I was just under the impression that everyone had to deal with this and it's just impossible to monetize a Let's Play. Everything I put up get's flagged and disabled for monetization. The ones that don't get flagged WILL get flagged once they reach a certain number of views. Twitch.TV is the only place that will pay for video game related content in my experience.
Yeah, I do hope that I do try to start somewhere else one day.
Would Twitch really be Better?
How would I make my stuff work there?
Would I need to make an Account and Upload Videos just like RUclips or does it work Differently?
Exactly why I'm creating my own website.
RUclips is essentially a FREE TOOL for exposure and advertising your name. That's what companies putting their commercials up here saw it as back in the day. It was something so amazing because you can manage and talk to a fanbase regularly, get your name out there for free, THEN they made a way to make money off advertisements as a PRIVILEGE really. So at the end of the day, as a private website, RUclips can change TOS and do whatever the fuck they want and screw over everyone, sadly. Yes, this is a job. A risky one. People don't realize that depending on this as their main source of income is outright dangerous. I monetize my videos and such but no matter how much money I make, I'd never sit back and get comfortable with this. At the end of the day, it's not my site and RUclips will always have leverage over me. They are in control. Are you willing to accept that they have control? Don't put all your eggs into one basket. We can complain all we want but we KNOW they aren't going to change shit, as always. They laugh in our faces as long as they keep making money cause they know we'll keep posting videos and just suck up the abuse...Or will we? We can bitch and moan and stay under the man, or we can ACTUALLY be creative and make something for ourselves. Make your own site if anything. True fans will still go visit you. Make the investment like RUclips did by creating this site.
Tip to avoid copyright tags: Just mute your let's plays so that game music doesn't leak through.
I don't knock people for playing video games but if they really want it as a serious career they have to aspire to do MORE than youtube too. This shit really only goes so far.
I personally only see this as incentive money for my videos and to fund some of my smaller productions like buying new mics and shit for my films. I did youtube for 5+ years without being paid lmao. People get too used to being paid for their videos and that's why everyone joins and sticks on youtube just for that(Not speaking about AngryJoe, just speaking about other people that want to join just for a quick buck). This shit isn't really something to rely on as your sole income source. I don't think ANY job is.
Do you realize how expensive and hard that would be to make? And also that would mean going through a lot of legal things.
Yes I do realize how expensive it is. Only those that take the largest leap of faith are the ones that are successful. Gotta have that vision. I'd rather try and fall than to have a bunch of "what ifs" in my life.
I'm great friends with this lawyer that I'm consulting with.
you're contradicting yourself. going on and on about how youtube is unreliable as a job to then end saying that every job is, making it a moot point. "at any job, there's a chance of getting fired every day, so why bother eh?" is what you're really saying. but that's not how the world works. not everyone can be their own boss.
Thanks for putting your ideas out there. I agree with what you're saying and I hope that everything clears up for you soon. Hang in there, bro!
"everyone would be happy" the copyright claimer wouldn't cos they want 100% of the money
But the company claiming the copyright often doesn't own the copyright.
yup and often don't release the video after disputing
Money that not belong to them -_-
Joe, you are an extremely hard worker and absolutely deserve to be compensated for your work!
Consider contacting Electronic Frontier Foundation to look into lawsuits for illegal copyright claims of content that is legally covered by Fair Use doctrine. Not to profit, but to punish abusers and to force RUclips to change their extremely one-sided policies.
Funny thing is, Several of my videos got flagged too, while I play my own interpretations and arrangements of music from games on piano. Somehow the system even recognizes the melodies on a different instrument in original content. Even some of my own compositions got wrongly flagged to some person I couldn't even find anywhere on internet. And above all, I don't earn any money with my videos on RUclips. I wouldn't mind if a company approached me and asked me not to do what I do, but this automated system is just dumb and flags anything without even checking if it's legal use and let's use worry about disputing all hundreds of videos.
It can recognize modified melodies on different instruments, but cannot recognize a video (such as a Family Guy clip) that has been ever so slightly distorted from the original resolution... it's almost like RUclips is *trying* to get us (collectively, I don't post content so I'm fine [hopefully :/] )!
Remix Maker There's a reason why RUclips bans and demonetizes videos instead of taking people to court.
We signed away our rights in the Terms of Service. That means RUclips can do whatever they want to our comments, videos, and profiles. But if they tried to take a RUclipsr to court for stealing content, they would get their ass served.
And having a ToS to hide behind doesn't mean they aren't immune to their community leaving or protesting their dumbass decisions. We need to scream, rage and vote with our wallets to fix this.
EricLeafericson There are limits to the Terms of Service. Although the videos, comments, etc. are essentially their property, they still have to follow a set of guidelines. They can't do ANYTHING they want with the stuff on RUclips, just like kitchen knives are our property but we shouldn't use them for any malicious intent (such as murder). Also, if RUclips was taken to court by some of us, they wouldn't indefinitely lose. Think about it, Google is a large, wealthy corporation with lots of good, high-paying lawyers and most likely lots of defendants. Many of us are just simple people, without the money nor the evidence to convict them of any wrongdoings. Also, to combine the thoughts of millions of people into a single case to present against them would be incredibly difficult and impractical (forgot the term for that mass court case)
Darticus the Great I see your point about some copyright company playing courtroom stall. But it's far cheaper for them to just delete your account.
And a group of people can collectively sue one company. It's called a class action suit, and I hope RUclips loses to one.
That would be a neat little kick-starter, wouldn't it? Someone more knowledgeable about law than me notices a loophole in RUclips's copyright claiming system, and crowd-sources the legal fees to take on RUclips. The reward for donating to the Kickstarter is to receive representation during the case, and getting a cut of the damages RUclips will pay. The more people donate, the more the lawyer can sue for, and the more money RUclips has to pay.
EricLeafericson
Right, thanks for reminding me of the name. Class action suit, I knew that :P Anyway, that would be quite interesting (though not sure if possible) to start a pledge to sue RUclips on Kickstarter
So, they can get the money for their 10 seconds of clip and also for the 20 MINS OF YOUR HARD WORK? They are monetizing content that does not belong to Them, so they are doing exactly the same thing that we are getting penalized for. Hypocrates laws and Companies.
***** It IS the same thing if you think well about it.
***** They actually can't. Someone doesn't know copyright law...
***** Man, you are saying what we already know, I'm analyzing the situation a bit deeper
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Fair use. It's a review and a satirical parody. Nuff said.
***** Wich company is paying you? lol
Too many people at Google who know absolutely nothing about youtube are making big calls..
Yeah, I thought the internship was a movie. Didn't realize it was based on a true story.
***** they implemented this so that when these so called "companies" come bitching to youtube/google they can just go "we have nothing to do with this, here is our system, claim your music."
Thats true. We just have to think about the new comment system or the new design and now this ID-System. All this have the same in common: Its all full of bugs. Most publishers even did not send all those claims and they want our videos of their games! For now its full of pirates, illegal things like we had with the new comments system just some weeks ago.... so im curious what Google wants to apologize for that. A simple "Sorry" is not enough....
All the claims we have disputed have been rejected for us. Most of the disputes are in the games we are playing, like GTAV. It's troublesome for us, because the only way to fight it now is to appeal it. If that falls through, then we get copyright strikes for no reason. We honestly haven't a clue as to what to do now.
I agree with Joe, split the rev on situations like this. We have a video were there are claimed by, literally, 17 companies. All music related, due to the music played in Saints Row IV. The disputes were rejected. What do we do now? RUclips, please fix this!
***** If they won't take the claim down, yes.
My videos are being claimed for using songs that I never used! I was flagged for using the "Assassin's Creed III" soundtrack, but I never used it! Ever!
Ministry of sound, or Ubisoft?
Ubisofts policies are different from most. They're cool about it and I quote (Not really)
"We don't give a shit about our content you're promoting it... Be our guests.
same, one of my videos i had to take down because they claimed it had some spanish song ive never heard before LOL...
Be our voice to speak out against all the RUclips copyright BS, Joe! We're all gonna have your back 100%
RUclips is broken right now, there is NO excuse for this. This is borderline illegal! Small clips can be used for parody. Does Saturday Night Live have to pay everyone that they parody???? This is out of hand and needs fixed asap!
I don't think they should receive any percent of revenue. Nobody buys 15% of a song, nobody buys 1% of a movie. You shouldn't have to just to have them shown in your video for what is essentially free advertisement. You're providing a free independent service for these people, they have no right to demand money from you.
Exactly my thoughts.
Your not alone in dealing with this RUclips Copyright BS. A few Mash-Ups i've tried to upload have been flagged and blocked by random companies. Even a V-log I have uploaded now got flagged because or a song that you can BARELY hear playing in the background of Walmart, and it really pisses me off. I agree with you all the way, RUclips, GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER!
Censorship through copyright.
***** "I have no sympathy for people who want to use other's intellectual property for their own purposes, and especially if they want to monetize."
then how come games are ok and legal to play on youtube? the problem is not the content itself the problem is the music itself that are within a game or a video that you have created. I think you don't understand the actual issue because you dont know the internet nor youtube.
TheEgyptianOne Not any more for games current top comment is me saying that gameplay footage will be getting flagged as well.
FUCK COPYRIGHT!!!
NOT A WHOLE 17 SECONDS OF THEIR SONG!
THEY ARE ECONOMICALLY RUINED, HOW COULD YOU JOOOOOE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dude. You need sleep :( By the way 100% with you. This can easily be fixed using "intelligence". Something with which RUclips is losing touch lately.
Copyright law isn't intelligent !
RIP RUclips 2013
Every day they make youtube worst and worst . .
CAME BACK OLD RUclips !
Someone needs to make a new youtube.. and make it superior.. for the people.. made by the people.
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you mean just strip away all the modern "features" of youtube. and leave it so you can comment to anyone and upload anything thats not a complete film
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Dude let's face it. Who are you really? You are a nobody. What makes you think I'm going to jump off a bridge because a nobody has told me to? Who still makes Justin Bieber references as insults too? Seriously dude you need a break from the internet. lol
I just discovered you today bro and I just wanna say thank you for explaining all this. As a fellow content creator who needs to use copyrighted material to illustrate points, you have helped me to understand the position i am in. 4 years of hard work.....
It's the only system that goes completely against standard law and copyright enforcement.
Where the burden of proof isn't on the accuser, you're already guilty if you get content ID matches.
So yeah, It's literally being told you're guilty until you can prove otherwise, How did that mentality even get HERE? What happened to "Don't be evil" google?
The percentage share, I can agree with.
Hi mickey love ur videos
TheEvilAdventurer Heyo! :)
This has hit me pretty hard too, I paused making videos obviously because of this disaster. So I'm sorry for the long wait for my next one.
This was a much better video than the other. It can be argued that you were upset, and rightfully so. Also, you're AngryJoe so it's to be expected. Regardless, both videos showcased your passion and enthusiasm for games, and how these copyright shenanigans as of late are impacting it.
I really like your idea about the revenue percentage if companies end up claiming your video for however long the use in question is. It's much more fair than just outright 100% for them, and none for the content creator. I realize that companies like Nintendo and Sega would just claim 100% of the video in question with this system as well, and if that's the case we just have to simply not do videos on their stuff. It sucks that that's the road we have to take, but in the end it's the developers loss in potential sales.
The Content ID system is terribly flawed, as a good many developers had no idea that this was happening up until now. Hopefully with their backing we'll be able to come up with a better compromise to all of this. Your revenue idea is a great start, hopefully more positive things are on the way. Thanks for being real Joe, as a gamer and smaller content creator it's very much appreciated!
Ironically companies PAY money to show off trailers in TV in cinema. How can they not be ok with promoting it for free? They should love the viral impact of youtube and social media.
Because the TV ad does not review it. The TV ad is made by the company so it only shows the pros not the cons. Angry Joe stands on the consumers' side, so the industries don't like it, but we comsumers love it but we are little so there's not much we can do, unless we do a blood pledge like, "WE'RE NOT GONNA BUY ANY FUCKIN GAME UNLESS JOE REVIEWS IT".
It's kind of stupid if you think about it. I don't think some of these companies even know what free advertisment really is or the impact it has on them.
They usually are and the companies that receive this b-roll footage and have it get content flagged tend to take it up with the companies in question who all respond with "Well, that shouldn't happen.' RUclips content ID matching doesn't discriminate between legitimate permission to show things and outright piracy, and the only company known to actually enforce this system in their videos is Nintendo, and that's because they're Japanese and don't understand new media enough.
shunkwugga Apparently, they think this new system is bullshit like everyone else:
wiiudaily.com/2013/12/nintendo-youtube-content/
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I remember youtube a few years ago. How the music business tried to stop youtube from having music video clips on it. There was a huge fuzz all about it. Now we jump to 2013 and guess what. Music video clips get released first on youtube. Hell MTV and all those stations hardly air music video clips anymore, they all went to "reallity" tv crap. Movie video clips are now specially made for youtube and music is very normal on youtube. Pirating music is illigal but listening to it on youtube is perfectly legal as a lot of bands have official channels here. With the smart thing of having a iTunes buy button/link in it. Why? Because it works.
The game industry is years behind on the music industry. Why not do the same as the music industry. Instead of having iTunes have links to online stores where people can buy it. Imagine how much more money that will earn them. RUclipsrs are a great way to advertise your game without you having to do a darn thing for it. Have that link and bam, you sit on gold.
But i think it can goes two ways now. Either youtube goes to fix things and publishers will see the future (hell most of them do, i mean Ubisoft, Blizzard, and plenty of others already said they are not flagging a thing, that they are happy with the youtubers making movies). Or youtube will soon be another "youtube? Oh wasn't that a big site one day before videosaresocooltowatch became a great hit?". Cause youtube is making some lethal mistakes lately and this can't last forever. People do get sick and tired of it eventually and move on.
I know I'm late here. But I'll always support you man, there are a lot of people out there doing similar kinds of things that you do, but I don't know anyone as committed, dedicated, true and honest about everything like you are. I have a lot of respect for you because of that, and is the reason why I've been following your videos for years now. Don't ever give up on it.
- A loyal fan.
Dead bees and dead deer, dead crows and dead cows are more than can be counted but no one seems to care. The Earth quakes and it shakes, it moves and it slides. And all seems to be snoozing like a bear in a cave.
Tornadoes and tsunamis, tropical storms and typhoons. And no one gets the point, as if nothing is happening.
And so you may be saying " why should I care about these things? They happens all the time". So let me remind you in case you know not, their intensity has increased as a pregnant woman in pain that about to give birth.
Our planet is dying, our planet is dimming and soon you will too if you know the Lord not.
So you think it's a joke when one says "the end's near". And so you may be laughing and so you may be mocking. You may laugh all you want, you may mock all you can but there's just a little thing that I think you should know and it's that God is not mock so you better watch out.
So if you are dozing then now it's time to wake up because the bridegroom is coming and you better be ready.
And out of curiosity you may be asking" How can I get ready, I've sin all my life?" It's simple really as all you'll have to do is believe upon the One who can wash away your sins and make you as pure as gold refine in a fiery furnace.
His name is Jesus. Yes Jesus the Christ. The lamb of God, and the savior of mankind.
So what are you waiting for? Death to coming knocking on your door? By then it'll be too late so it's wise to serve Him now. Just you remember friend, life is so very short. So make the right choice before you lose all your voice.
Jude Dominique no offense dude your comment was ok and all but people like you need to accept not everyone is christian and so stop trying to convert everyone its god dam annoying.
Jude Dominique Don't push your religion on me and I won't push mine on you. What are you even doing here?
Jude Dominique OMG someone trying to convert me on the internet, and on Angry Joe's page...
Would that make you a Joe Hovis Witnesses?
Jude Dominique I bet you spent all night working on that or did you just copy and past that from some other bible thumping, Christian pushing site? Not everyone wants to hear about god or Jesus every second of everyday. And on that note how the flying fuck did this have anything to do with what Joe was talking about in this video? People like you need to just shut the hell up about your beliefs, you don't hear devil worshipers pushing their shit so don't press your shit where it don't belong.
I'm a really small content producer here and my most viewed video has been claimed and won against 3 of my requests. The video is a comedy on how the english in marvel vs capcom can sound as portuguese. And I subtitled it. At one point, one character sounds like he is saying JESUS! - RUclips claims that the word JESUS on the video is claimed by the largest religious channel in Brazil and I lost all the revenue for the my most viewed video (500k plus) and NEVER got any response from either party.
Jesus being claimed for copyright is pretty much sacrilege. This sh** needs to stop.
ThePrinceOfSaiyajins The name Jesus is copyright?! Doesn't "copyright" wear out after, what, 50 years? Or a given set number? 2000 years?! Besides, I don't think any of the writers of the New Testament placed a claim in with the Copyright office... The name is, legally, fair game and free usage to ALL. In any event, you CANNOT COPYRIGHT A NAME under ANY of our legal systems. (Sure, God could, but since he didn't copyright his son's name - there were a few in Israel's history that had it before Jesus - then even THAT point is moot)
What on earth is going on with RUclips?
You know, I'm beginning to think someone at Google is trolling pretty much EVERYONE by turning RUclips into a testing ground for an ID program in its ALPHA stage.
Wow never before have I heard someone trying to claim exclusive rights to Jesus & to make money from it makes it even worse
sardaomalandraj For half year "God" will have matched content on videos.
In regards to Joe's Inception review he highlights MC for Warner Bros. Warners will never give you ownership. I have done mini documentaries on the Superman and Batman films and you can never get past Warners claims. Warners policy is that you can use their footage and they won't block it but you CAN NOT make money from it even though your review clearly falls under fair use for criticism and for educational purposes. It sucks!.
Jack the Stripper Nobody's stealing anything. Copyright laws are fucking fossils from the past. We're in a different time now. Also, everything Joe has made has fallen under fair use.
Jack the Stripper
Stealing? lol.
Jack the Stripper Fair use allows for short clips of the material being reviewed. Otherwise you could never fairly represent a product to the fullest extent. Maybe you should learn something about intellectual property.
***** No, we're in a time where copyright laws don't understand digital content well enough, especially not interactive media like games. We're in a time where people are making content which falls under fair use, but because of the monetary power of publishers and huge corporations, there's nothing that we can do to stop them from abusing everybody.
***** Stop right there. There is NO stealing in showing someones art and praising it for seconds. It would be stealing if you upload a full movie for free and for everybody to watch and then it would be another crime for people earning money with a 1to1 copied version of your product. A review is neither part of both. Hell you even have television reviews of games and movies and nobody gives a serious fuck about it. Hell here in germany we have a crappy game-review show called "gameone" which does basically the same as Joe but most of the time only make bad reviews of good games resulting negative advertisement. They NEVER had a problem with copyrighting and they use soundtracks of games, ingame cutscenes etc. If you review a game you are allowed to use parts of the product you are reviewing to illustrate your point.
Well said Joe. Good to see you more calm and collected and showing us behind the scenes of whats going on and really how broken this whole system is.
Hey Joe. Why not start an online petition and pass it on to other high sub content creators? Probably won't change anything, but it's worth a shot. With all of your subs combined, there would probably be millions of signees.
I'm sitting editing a video now, and thinking, "Will this money just go to some random company for the 50 hours of my work ?".
Hey man, I just checked out your channel. Although I don't like League of Legends, I'd like to say you look very professional and to keep up the great work no matter what.
I didn't really pay much attention to the controversy but after watching this I can see how it's a potentially huge issue (probably not anticipated to be this significant). If it isn't fixed quickly in a way everyone can accept then it's going to mean a lot of revenue loss for everyone. This guy does an outstanding job of explaining the (hopefully unintended) impact an automated system can have - need to fix this quick google before it snowballs...
Christopher Thoburn Does the money still flow even if you don't have the video monetized?
***** I'm pretty sure if you don't monetize it but a company claims it, they will run ads on the content and monetize it anyway.
Not if I can help it
Quick to the setting on my other channels! :D
*Jump out window*
Oh crap!
I'm on the 5th story in the building \(O_O)/
*Bam!* *Car Alarm*
I'm o.k.... (~_~)
Joe, I'm just curious, why are you not pushing back on the MCNs at all? Your pains with ContentID is due to you being set as an affiliate. There are networks out there that would give you managed status.
what about the people who dont have the weight to do that? xD Joe isn't fighting for just himself here.
Someone seems to really want to get everyone to leave Polaris/Maker. Sheesh, get yourself together, do your thing and let others do theirs. It's not the affiliate status that's the problem, it's the wrong claims, which are the problem.
I'm also interested to see Joe's response to this.
The whol affiliate/managed partner thing is stupid to me, it just creates gaps in networks. Honestly I do not get why Joe is not a managed partner but thats not really the issue, Joe got like 62 flags and TB got none because hes managed, it does not seem right to me.
Mostly because he understands that this isn't just about him. Yes he's upset that it effects him but it effects everyone. Ohm I respect you as a youtuber and I love that you are passionate about what you do. But at this point it feels like you have some personal vendetta against Polaris at this point and want them to just fall apart because of what youtube did to the system.
Here's the problem with all of this copyright claim crap! The work of RUclips creators is valued at approximately "0", whereas anyone who creates content for a corporation, their creations are valued at 100%.
This is a great video, and everyone should see it. RUclips needs to fix it's copyright laws, because it's really really hard to do game walkthroughs.
That percentage system is brilliant, Joe. YOU should run RUclips.
Appreciate your video and I agree with your synopsis. Unfortunately and regrettably I fear little will change given the increased copyright nature of our society today. But something does need to be done regarding warentless claims.
MySpace sucked for a long time, but people stuck around because there was nothing better. Then facebook popped up and almost literally overnight, MySpace became a ghost town.
RUclips will be next. The moment an alternative pops up, you'll hear nothing but crickets. Only grandparents will be left because nobody told them where everyone else left to.
Would Blip.tv be a good alternative to RUclips? Can you make a profit off the videos like you can on RUclips?
Pornotube?
Exactly right. MySpace damn-near went to hell in a matter of weeks. The same will happen to RUclips. Somebody is out there watching the site go to hell and will seize the opportunity to swoop in and create a profitable alternative. Fuck Google.
***** "If Google doesn't think RUclips can't die off, it's kidding itself." That's exactly what they're thinking.
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Joe is really becoming the mascot of the battle against RUclips. Just as he was one of the biggest mascots against Microsoft in the days before the XBox One was released.
He really is one of the most political and forceful Internet personalities out there. It's something I appreciate about him a lot. I especially appreciate that he never really takes an accusatory tone. He tries to understand things from the perspective of the 'villain,' even if their almost obviously wrong.
I've admired you for a while, but this video is what earned a subscription. Keep up the great work.
Yeah, I use to use all that video copilot tracks and edits and they were content ID by another company....happened awhile ago.
as soon as the content id system was activated, it became self-aware, and began its mission to destroy youtube
12:36 Yes. They should get a percentage based on what percentage of the video is copyrighted. For this channel, they should get 0% since fair use law in the USA states "Fair use that permits limited use of copyrighted material without acquiring permission from the rights holders" This includes commentary, search engines, criticism, news reporting, research, product review, teaching, library archiving and scholarship. You fall under the product review category. RUclips is breaking the law by forcing false copyright claims like this.
In another of Joe's videos I suggested that their could be a class action suit against Google for this.
Thanks for this video Joe.
I dont make content but I do use YT all the time and understand the value of your work. So thanks for explaining what has happened.
This is a much much better video than the previous one and it makes great suggestions.
It is hard not to be pissed off because of bullshit we have to deal with.
Galnospoke Ummm, no. Gamers are not only first. Removing most payments from RUclips would prevent many people from doing what they love, making content on RUclips. The fact that they can do that is a good thing, and its why we have people like Joe and TB. So, removing the money, and thus removing them, and many others, would be a net negative.
I dont think that you should compare them to each other. The previous one just shows what is going through his mind and doesnt filter any of his emotions. Its not the "Calm Joe Show".
I like how you're actually pointing out how they could fix it instead of shouting at them.
I really hope things turn out okay for you, man.
I always wanted to be able to make money off of stuff I make, and I was hoping to look into that around this coming year, yet its situations like this which make me look the other way. I'm not like you. I'm not someone whos had experience of revenue and all. I would be someone just starting out. I'm not experienced or knowledgeable on how the whole thing works, and to be honest it actually kinda scares me on how the penalties might work when you make a mistake and you get a claim alert.
I wish you the best of luck with your situation and I hope you can still do your show.
If not, then I guess that's the end of the internet. Because if you can't do your show, a lot of others will also probably do the same.
I do agree with your ideas and feel they would really make everyone happy.
I never made money from content I made, but sharing the revenue makes a lot more sense then one person getting it all, and I wouldn't mind having to deal with that.
In Germany, you would even get flagged if you would sing the song yourself. I am not kidding.
***** Thats because of "GEMA", a "copyright collective" that only operates in Germany, and adds even more restraints to RUclips's copyright policies. They even had the "brilliant" idea to let kindergartens pay for copying sheet music for the children...
***** It just doesn't make sense. There's no other way to say it.
***** You said the videos got blocked by WMG? As far as I know, thats Warner Music Group. Angry Joe also received some copyright claims by them, and I think they didnt actually release the claims.
***** They are, but if even Angry Joe can't change their minds, then there's not much you can do. I know this sucks, especially if you've put a lot of work into recording and editing the video, but I don't think there's a way to change this. (except for switching to a whole new platform, but we all know how deserted vimeo and the like are ...)
***** I just head over to your channel and watched some parts of the claimed video. It's basically just AC gameplay footage. I have no idea why they could possibly argue it would belong to them.
probably their main point is that the video isn't a let's play or a review, it's just a bare playthrough. One of the main laws Angry Joe referred to to protect his videos is that the content is yours if you remix / change it in your video. That obviously doesn't count for playthroughs ...
As someone who's produced their own versions of public domain Christmas tracks, I can safely say that you should never use Public Domain music ever. So I made my own rendition of "Oh Holy Night", and I put it up on youtube for my subscribers to hear.
As soon as the video gets done processing, WMG locked me out of doing any edits on the meta tags and information and RUclips sent me an email stating WMG claimed my music.
I contested and WMG released my video in early January, well after the christmas season ended. I brought up my protests to WMG and asked that they whitelist my track so my subscribers could use this track in their videos and WMG flat out ignored me.
Soooooo from here on out, I will try to make my own original Christmas-spirit style tracks but never anything that's traditional. So many people have had nightmares with public domain tracks because the music industry has already claimed them under certain performances.
Can I pay you to use your Christmas music?
No, wait...
That is fantastic.. But everyone knows this ID system is nonsensical BS the supersedes common sense. All while Google invests there time in shit like this> news.msn.com/rumors/rumor-google-planning-microchip-brain-implant
I'm surpised every Happy Birthday song sung on RUclips wasnt claimed by Sony. They own the rights and it seems Sony Music Group is a part of this.
He has a PS4 in shot, this video is now owned by Sony
If it's under 30 secs to 1 minute it shouldn't be possible for it to be flagged. If it's longer you should lose the percentage of the video revenue based on how long you used the clip/music/etc. Simple.
What about let's players? and 30 secs to 1 minute is far too short.
mrwho995 Not really. If you're using more than 1 minute of footage/music straight out of the box so to speak then personally I think the creator of that footage/music should be allowed to monetise the section of your video that uses that (which is why I said it would be a percentage thing). Lets players would be no different to what I said. Unless someone is talking over it any _long_ cutscenes should be monetizable if the game companies want them to be. But again, only those cutscenes would give income to the game company, the rest would go to the content creator since he's the one making his own experience throughout the rest of the game.
Oh boy, here we go. I really admire all your work. You are a very brave man, opening up for us all. You truly inspire us and I sure hope this can make a difference!
Oh, and btw, Carl Orff, composer of Carmina Burana (O fortuna), died in 1982. So the music is classic indeed, but it's not public domain.
The lyrics for Carmina Burana are in the public domain so hard they pre-date the entire concept.
I agree, improvements need to be made, if only they gave you a job handling this stuff
Well... If they claim the video because 17 seconds of their content, you could claim it again because of the 20 minutes that you made yourself.
If they have right have of all the video for seconds,why can´t you do the same?
THIS IS JUST UNFAIR
***** That´s the unfair part... Your work is not different than theirs... But 17 seconds of their property are heavier than 20 minutes of Joe´s. I don´t know if it´s more sad, unfair or enfuryating... But it´s all of the above.
RanguGamer They have money and legal teams, thats the difference
***** the big problem is though people who have no legal rights to claim these things(sound clips/video clips) and yet because of youtube they are allowed to. Many game companys and sound compays have sent out apologies and are working fast and hard to get this sorted out. youtube needs to get there shit together.
***** It is unfair.Why do people always say"This is bad,so just stop using it"?Why don´t we ask for improvement and fairness?
It´s like saying "If gas costs too much for you,stop using your car and just walk from country to country"
I prefer to ask for good things than just running away of anything I don´t like... Specially if it´s good at first and then turn bad
***** So, if I still have to use their service,that makes it fair even when it´s unfair?
People have started posting videos on Dailymotion. And I mean gaming videos. If RUclips doesn't clear their shit up, it's time to say goodbye.
dailmotion has almost the same copyright policies that youtube has, so, if you want to replace youtube with dailymotion, it's not worth it.
An extremely nice guy
no, i've been on dailymotion since 2010, it seems that they don't have things too clear, but trust me, they do.
An extremely nice guy
uh, what? i know that, that's why i said that trying to replace youtube with dailymotion is not worth it.
An extremely nice guy
oh i see lol
An extremely nice guy
yup c:
Joe what is happening to your videos is illegal. I dont work in the patent industry, but most of my family does and these people are called "patent trolls", although i guess they would be "copyright trolls" in this case. Its not new tactics by them, but what they are doing is illegal.
Dont settle for them taking "the percentage that their X seconds is out of a 30 minute video", then you would actually be feeding an illegal practice. Theoretically, you could counter-sue on probably most (if not all) of alleged infringements.
But its very easy to relate to why you feel that it is unfair. But its not "just" unfair, its also downright illegal. You have the law on your side, make the most of it. Punish them! If you dont feel you have the money taking them to court, present the cases to a good copyright lawyer and ill bet you that he/she/they will gladly take the case on a "no cure no pay" basis, where they get a cut of the settlement.
If all of the alleged infringements have been done automatically by youtube, then its a different case, but it would still be in violation of law (and probably a lot larger settlement), since they are taking away your money. The videocopilot thing really makes it sound a lot like patent (or "copyright") trolls though. Let their attacks make you rich! Puniiiish!
It is silly that the MCNs did not warn anyone about the new way that the copyright claim system would work.
Probably because it means they aren't doing their job properly. Bunch of leeches, I mean representatives.
Way to throw their partners under the bus.
RUclips is doin the MySpace right now.... hahaha
Yup! Not a good way to go noting how MySpace is DEAD...
Pandas Not Periods.
Yeah... that's why... um, that's why he said that.
It would be hilariously ironic if the people who created MySpace, created a new video sharing service called, "MyTube" and kicked RUclips's ass.
drksideofthewal holy fucking shit i swear i had the same idea, but not the myspace part lol. i thought to myself, man they should just call a new youtube just for games, MyTube lmao. way to think :D
Omar Hernandez
Hell yeah. XD Somebody needs to capitalize on RUclips's failure, and quick.
This isn't RUclips anymore. It's Google+Tube. What a nightmare! You, & those of us who make reviews, critiques, parodies, etc... are being trampled on unjustly.
I was going to start getting into content creation. But one of my friends also going into content creation almost got a claim for containing clips from cartoons, songs, ect...
Its really Corp-Tube
TheSquid I was, as well. But now my 'dream' is pretty much crushed until something happens, which unlikely will. It's a sad day to know that, once again, we all have been fucked by a big corporation...
And thats bad? If uncool guys see cool stuff, they become cooler.
Pretty much
The main thing wrong with this video is "Or something like that." Joe, you don't seem to know exactly what is going on. Who is claiming what, why tings are being claimed, etc. SuperBunnyHopShow (or something like that) gave you big ups and explained it a little better than you did. I doubt this post will get much love but here's hoping. The new YT system is beyond fucked man. Much love to you in the future.
I think youtube feels like they can get away with anything but actually they are facing a collapse, If I was a rich opportunist I would make a website that handled content claims much better to make it easier for people. That way youtube would become a myspace
thing is. you are no rich opportunist
4cmd The point is, that if an average guy thought of this - I'm sure the average rich opportunist would too. SOMEONE will.
***** 4Skyrim 4cmd
you all are forgetting.- youtube was a risk to make. There are already other places you can stream. However, how many of them are noticed at the level of youtube? Do you know that there are other places to show videos from? Twitch is a good alternative - but there are even other websites out there. However, so few people know about them - they are not used as often as youtube. Shoot - TMZ and Entertainment Tonight even has a "youtube" video they show from time to time.
BoydofZINJ what you are missing is that when there is a super company like apple, microsoft, sony, they cant be overcome when they are in their prime. Again I go go back to myspace as an example. Thats why the sites you mentioned are not as big as youtube now, its only when they are weak that they can be topped. So with so much angry businesses and people all against youtube its the perfect timing.
4Skyrim I disagree. Super companies can be toppled - normally when they are at their prime they are also making terrible mistakes. Mistakes that isolate and irate their customer base, because the super companies think they can not lose. Sadly, it is mostly true - but it can happen. When ford was trying to manufacture his first car, there was an organization that tried to stop him - indicating he was selling his vehicles to cheap. He had to fight the Association of Licensed Automobile Manufacturers to get the right to manufacture his car as cheap. There are other examples as well..
FFS. What type of world is this? we're part of, what is now a 'corrupt community'. It's absolutley shocking to see Joe has been crying, let alone how shocking it is to see the fact he's scared to play specific parts of his videos due to being scared they will get flagged, it's disgusting! of all the money this huge companies make and they're after bare minimum income from ad revenue? just inhumain it really is.
Uh no Angry Joe doesn't cry. His rage evaporates any excessive moisture in his eyes.
I think he's actually sick, so he's angry and he is sniffling =P
BTV I think Paul's point was a little more accurate XD.
i wouldnt judge him if he cried, it IS his income, it DOES put the food on the table.
***** Oh definitely not judging! I mean, i completely understand the situation he's in, and I would see why, I was just pointing out that he still seems sick also, so that could be part of it.
Your trouble with Video Copilot and their response illustrates one of the biggest problems with copyright enforcement right now. There are virtually no repercussions for people who abuse the system.
Here's my suggestion on how we should fight the content ID system.
Everybody, all reviewers like Angryjoe, TotalBiscuit, BlisteredThumbs, Razorfist, ProJared, SmoshGaming, TobyGaming, and let's players like PewDiePie, Markiplier, and more band together to form a class-action lawsuit against not the companies but RUclips for violating the fair use act. Public attention that big could raise major support and gain this illegal act a lot more attention.
Either that or Anonymous attacks.
I really wish the content dispute system had a "This claim is pure BS" option, since that's like 90% of the claims people are getting now
Just had a terrible flu induced dream. RUclips shattered,and all the shards flew into my stomach and ripped my intestines to shreds. I woke up with a really bad stomach ache just now.
An automated system that creates even more manual work? Congratulations, RUclips...
Not for them. Less work for RUclips and more for everyone else. Even if RUclips works and trys to help Angry Joe and other high view people; they will not be helping those who barely have any views.... which sucks for them.
I am flagging this video and taking it down because at 25:36 u may not hear it very well but at the slightest sound you can hear an icecream truck go by. The icecream truck was playing a theme... a very specific theme that i once heard when i was 4. Im flagging this video and sueing you for everything you got. You better watch your back joe.
You tried.
and you failed.
Tiny Joltik I did... But this is just the beginning!!!
Im sure of it.
:l
*^Takes jokes way too seriously*
This is anything but a troll
Black Hornet You had no hint of sarcasm whatsoever. That wasn't any joke. And it's not a joke when you tell someone to go fuck themself. If that's a joke to you then you have a terrible sense of humor and you should get a life. Now a rest my case. *puts hands up and walks out the door*
Most of these are Copyfraud, I get a bunch of strikes from INgrooves as well for music I got from Royalty Free Music Websites, they also flagged a few of my Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer videos as well.
Also, recently I made a few Call of Duty Ghost singleplayer campaign playthrough (which I had to stop for this reason) and all of them got strikes from BoomerangTV......somehow the system thought Call of Duty Ghost was an episode of Tom & Jerry.
I'm sure there are lots more youtubers with similar stories.
Hey Joe I'm a big fan of yours, you actually inspired me to make videos of my own so when I see you getting the same Copyfraud bullshit that I'm getting I thought I make a video response with a little suggestion of my own to help fix this big mess.
I hope you see this though I doubt it but I thought it's worth a shot.
Response to Angry Joe and RUclips's Copyfraud Content ID System
Basically just make sure that whoever is claiming rights to any content on youtube actually owns the rights. Because right now a lot of our claimed content is being claimed by people who don't even have rights to in the first place!
Anyways just my two cents.
~Pete
Great Job Joe. I hope somebody takes your advice. Somebody... anywhere....
It's time to have an alternative to youtube.
There's Twitch if you'd prefer that.
Pornhub, xvideos
VarietyGamerGuy Twitch is completely different from RUclips..
Blip, Vimeo
Ozz Ozzy or companies can pull they're heads out of they're asses and stop being assholes and copyrighting shit that doesn't belong to them. I can't even enjoy Star Wars video game play through without seeing copyright from Sony Music Entertainment even though they don't own the rights to star wars music anymore
I feel your pain, but you will never win against what youtube says you can't do.. they will shut down YOUR video ans suck in the adsense money, YOU have worked so hard on. This bigger companies don't get it They are getting FREE ads from you, as you have followers in the millions. They just don't care and you have no control over what they do and do not do Its up to you if you want to continue to stay with youtube or get another job. Its a losing battle you will NEVER will
Yeah i AGREE with what YOU have to SAY.
Fix youtube: www.change.org/p/youtube-stop-harming-content-creators-and-tell-sme-and-all-the-other-business-s-wrongfully-copyrighting-fair-use-videos-to-bog-off-i-want-copyright-claims-to-be-reported-then-assessed-by-the-users-of-youtube-not-the-business-it-self
Really respect the time you put into this, maybe we have a chance. I don't know.
Yeah it sucks to not know if we can do this or not...I just wish they would listen when we openly say we don't like something they're doing to the system. Sure there are times when we are nitpicking, but I am 100 percent sure they can tell this is more than that and they're just choosing to cover their ears and say "Lalalalala I can't hear you~" like immature brats who only care getting their way.
I have victor entertainment coming at me on my Tekken videos because they distributed the Tekken soundtracks. Namco Bandai owns the music and the music is readily available to buy on Tekken Tag 2's DLC page for their stages. So it's ridiculous that it isn't even Namco that did it.
Good thing Namco is helping me with this.
Are you serious? That's utterly ridiculous of them to do, and a perfect example of why...whatever intentions were meant, this system of flagging is absolutely absurd and needs to go.
309 dislikes....WHAT!...no serious how can this particular video even get a dislike....ARE YOU BROKEN PEOPLE!...NO!...WHY!
^ LOL true
Ture Story :D
Richard Alcala
Or fans of a certain somebody that should not be named...
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Almost :3
THESUPERCHRIS He uses his videos to illustrate what's broken with this automatic system, and I guess you missed his suggestion. have a look at 12:10
I feel so sorry for him. I can see tears in his eyes throughout most of the video.
Something that would solve this is RUclips adding the option to just delete the portions of the videos with that content. Why not just put a black screen up for 15 seconds and say "Deleted for 3rd party match". That way you can keep gathering revenue right after you click the delete matched footage button without having to remake and upload the video and lose your view count. I think this would be an easy solution and that way whoever claims the video can get 100% fine but immediately after you click that button it should switch back to you since you're not using the footage anymore. Would like to hear some opinions on this idea if anyone has anything to add...
They do actually have something like that. It's only for music right now and it's still in beta, but it's a start.
That was my thought at first place. I agree with you completely. Give them revenue for a duration which song is in my video. Only way to satisfy both sides and at the end only way when it's completely fair to us.
This is a bad idea. How about I play a 3 minute Metallica video followed by a 30 minute clip of paint drying. I am sure they will be happy with 10%.
I would say that RUclips should mandate a link in the description, i.e. song at 4:01 until 4:17 Joey Negro or whatever, so that some people will go check it out and they will also earn money.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FAIR. RUclips CAN DO WHATEVER THE FUCK IT WANTS.
Can't you just sue them for stealing your hard earned money?? This is kinda like those companies that collect money for charity like for disasters, hurricane victims, If anyone donates money to a cause like that, these companies TAKE about 95% of the money that YOU donated for those poor people, so they are basicaly making profit of other people's misery and pain, just like these youtube companies are taking your money and they take 100%
Great Video Joe. I saw you first time a few days ago when you were raging about this contend id-system (with good cause, btw). But I didn't like this video so much cause it did not contain so much useful information. Now this one does. Great video. You really put a whole bunch of useful informations in your new one!
Joe, just FYI, the Ministry of Sound is UK's big recording label, very much like EMI or Sony. They are notoriously litigious, they are actually suing Spotify (a commercial music streaming system) because *some user's playlists too closely match their own compilation albums*. The music is completely and legally being streamed by Spotify, but because Ministry of Sound UK thinks the playlist order is *owned* by them due to the fact that they made an album that presents the songs in that order they are suing to have the playlists forcibly removed from user accounts! I mean how fucked up is that?! They think they *OWN* the rights to how songs are organized and listened too!
WOW
This is getting ridiculous, the copyright system is so dumb. Revenue Sharing system would make a lot more sense if companies are going to pursue this, them getting 100% of the revenue for a few seconds of footage is hardly fair.
14587 likes, 6289 views!!.......never experienced RUclips refreshing their video count so slow. RUclips is on you AJ!!!
Tell 'em, Joe!
Regarding the 15s of song it is exactly what you said Joe, how it was used its a very definition of parody / fair use !
i think that why google wont change the broken system because they made 5.6 billion dollars
***** that how the world works.
I am now 100% sure that RUclips brings out these new systems half done and completely broken, so that they have something to do with themselves other than count money. Because there is no way a competent company would do this to their user-base. No way. xD
The proper way they should be doing this is that when it gets flagged, both parties are alerted, and it is up to the "infringed" party to decide whether to pursue the monetization or not. and if they do pursue it, and get disputed and lose, i think there should be a fine. That would discourage false/frivolous claims.
Apparently even game developers are fighting against this system, so a lot of people have your back Joe!
I miss the old youtube...Good ol' days...
me too, me too.
Yeah, before Google.
Thank you Angry, I really don't want to see all of my RUclips "buddies" disappear
At 5.18 I really thought you was going to say '' 16 times the detail''. But then I realised this was way in the past.
It appears that RUclips needs some competitors in the video playing market.
The last 2 minutes of this video would probably blow RUclipss mind
This is the best flag ever I received a flag on my account for a vlog my air conditioner running and there was no sound just me speaking and my ac running
Maybe AC producer claimed rights to noises done by it... ;)
R U SHITTING ME! THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE!
Was it the air conditioner company copyrighting the sound from the machine?
AC company claimed copyright on the AC running in the background
Kromgar1337 That's about as stupid as Harley Davidson claiming a copyright on the "Harley" sound.
This is directed straight to the boss of RUclips: What would you be without us?
Still rich.
Instead of auto-flagging videos with the content creators, they need to instead inform the supposed copyright owners about possible claims and leave to them to pursue it or not. At least that way RUclips can say they informed them and put it on their shoulders.
All Utube users need to watch this video to understand what exactly is happening
If they can take one of Joe's reviews and give all revenue to another company for a 15 second song, shouldn't Joe be able to flag them for making money off of a video using 20+ minutes of his material?
I can't wait to hear about counter-lawsuits with this in the news. Good point!
You can freely use up to 30 second of a copyrighted item, the 17 seconds in that video isn't breaking copyright laws, if you had more than 30 seconds then you can be done for copyright.
No you cannot. Joe is using this content as a means of consumer protection, Parody and review. All three of those are completely covered by "fair use"
Go to a copyright lawyer and you will find that is true. or no site or advert or company would have preview clips other wise you'd need to pay for a lic just to do see a preview clip.
So itunes can have preview clips without needing copyright permission, but they need a license to sell or stream full length music.
That is the main reason why copyright laws allow for a 30 second clip to be free from copyright claims.
Also if a game company put out an advert for a game no one would be legally able to view that advert because you'd need to buy a lic to view such advert.
Fair use is something different, in that if your going to use something you make sure it's less than 30 second in length or has something cut like sound but image is kept but always kept to less than 30 seconds in length. and your not using it to promote piracy etc
The music clip is 17 second long, so they couldn't say it's a copyright claim as you can use up to 30 seconds without needing copyright permission.
Plus he's not trying to promote the artist as such but uses the song to show a point in the game, not about the song.
False. Using a shorter version of a song or video clip is still subject to the same laws as using a longer one. No where in US law is any time limit stated.
However, the way he does use their content definitely does fall under fair use, so his use is totally legal. Using a shorter amount of footage just allows you to avoid the retarded content ID system better. There are other tricks that can help skirt around it, such as pitching, cropping, resizing, and mirroring footage.
Actually, you are confusing copyright laws for earning money off something with using it for a school setting. Many school systems state you can use up to 30 seconds for a school project. However, for purpose of earning money it follows a different system. Vantom91 put that correctly
zagan1 I have an entertainment Lawyer. I am a producer on several upcoming short documentaries and we are currently going through clearance. I assure you, the length of time does not matter in any way when dealing with Copyrighted content. You will pay for it regardless if it is 1 second or the entire piece.
Unless you can argue fair use (Which sadly I cannot) but angryjoe can.
RUclips shouldn't assume that a 5 second clip of a musical hook would make or break the deal for most people considering to buy a song.
This reeks of diminishing returns. By spending more and more money in order to reduce piracy, at some point the effort doesn't make sense from a profitability standpoint.
Content ID Inception: "I hope this thing ain't gonna get flagged" Recording a video SHOWING a flagged video. Oh god
RUclips isnt doing anything. The same happen with the comment system or even the horrible channel layout. No one liked it, everyone talked about it and they didnt change it. Why? Because they know you use youtube, they know that you are not going to stop using youtube. So they do whatever they feel like. And you alredy stated something similiar in your previous video, they have tons of money they don't give a shit.
There's got to be something uge to happen that effect youtube, otherwise they will continue changing to worse and we just have to deal with it
Yeah, the only reason RUclips would ever give a damn about it's users is if they have competition and twitch is our only hope for that. If they allowed video sharing I would never come back here
At least with the comments they changed it enough so I am not bombarded by Ascii Art penises and Hitlers posted by Jesus Christ
Dude, this is a very different situation to the comments section. There's a difference between fucking over your customers and fucking over your employees. There's a difference between disliking a channel layout and taking away someone's paycheck. Please don't compare them again.
We have given them too many chances. Can Unanimous or someone like that teach them a lesson, or we all just go to daily motion?
minch333 I just made a point. I know this is must worse then the rest of the problems.
RUclips used to remove audio for copyright music.. Why can't we just mute the Music at X time and X seconds?
Because that would require someone who works for Google/RUclips to know more about coding than just rearranging items on the site to make it more obnoxious and changing the rating systems to be less accurate. They would probably end up just removing the audio track from the entire video because his fart sounds to much like the fart in another movie so we can't have similar farts in videos so the entire thing must be taken down. Hell, the audio detection alone should go haywire every time a video with the Wilhelm Scream pops up.