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- Опубликовано: 23 июн 2024
- In the final video of my coverage of the Jehovah's Witnesses 2024 "Declare The Good News" Convention, I am joined by fellow exJW activists Falon and Jason from the channel @DiffiCULTChildhood . We comment on 12 points from the convention that seem to indicate the direction the religion is going into (or not). We discuss how the Jehovah's Witnesses leadership seem to have no appetite for dropping some of the religion's most harmful policies, such as the prohibition on blood transfusions and higher education. We discuss how misogyny continues to be an issue in the religion and how the leadership give reckless advice on issues such as mental health difficulties.
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Chaka Yumba is an ex-Jehovah's Witness elder, regular pioneer, SKE graduate and HLC member. This channel is a resource for anyone interested in scrutinising the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses and gaining an insight into how decisions are reached by Jehovah's Witness elders.
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This was so much fun Chaka! It felt like we've been friends for years! Thanks for having us! - Jason
It was great having you on the channel Jason and Falon. I look forward to more videos together😊😊😊
Thanks Chaka!
Where in the Bible does it say not to go to collage or to a university and that we should serve jehovah which really means working for free for the jw organization
Indeed Eric. This is another man-made and harmful rule that they could easily drop.
Ironically, many wise followers didn't listen to the charlatans. They opted for higher education. One became an attorney. JW leaders have jumped on him to help them. He accepted. As regards JW's adherence to 1914, they've provided a fine gift for new awakening JWs. That's the JW Achilles' heel. It helped me when I woke up.
Hey Hayne. Great points as always. I just found out recently that the new head of the Britain Branch Committee is a qualified lawyer. Utter hypocrites. With regards to 1914, they keep embarrassing themselves each time they bring it up. They could just stop mentioning it and distance themselves from it
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns You are 100%. correct Chaka. Those charlatans still think they are dealing with most followers that are still daft in making deep researches.
@@haynehifanny8006 Definitely. I think it's mainly because the Governing Body are in an echo chamber and have surrounded themselves with yes men in the name of Governing Body helpers. So they have no sense of reality at all.
@@AnthonyMorrisReturnsis he the one they r grooming to add to GB? He only partook of the emblems recently if this is the guy…. 🙄
@@michelejashinsky8409 Oh? Does the head of the Britain Branch committee partake of the emblems now? That guy looks extremely ambitious that I wouldn't be shocked.
They are so arrogant to dismiss scholars.
In Chicago Illinois a brother was killed while doing door to door. Where were the angels???
Very sad
The jw answer must be that he was evidently hiding some 'secret sin'
I guess there's not enough angels to take care of all the Witnesses or the Angels left cuz someone else was more important then that Witness. 😡 SMH
Interestingly, JWs in workplaces of non-JWs jump at Christmas bonuses in their salaries' accounts. I'd always looked forward to the doubled pay, yet I was a Presiding Overseer then. (All my employed JW colleagues too) However, I'd left years ago. Thanks to you Chaka and your team for this brilliant summary of JW 2024 crap convention.
Thanks very much for your kind words Hayne. Yes, the reasoning for accepting Christmas bonuses never made any sense to me
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns For JW leaders and the followers, "idolatry", "pagan" "satan" are bad. However, money from those sources are quite acceptable. What a hypocritically shameless and greedy JW organisation!
Oh those are 'Year End Bonuses' don't you know!
@@markweatherill 😄😄😄 I wish the same reasoning applied to birthdays. "Oh, its just my year end celebration"😃😃😃
Love the well-rounded points of view. Well done!
Thank you for your kind words PearlyTiger🙏🙏🙏
I've always had issues with that argument that angels assist the preaching work!
What happened to that bus full of brothers in Honduras that went over the cliff, killing 14 people, including children !!!
The angels must have had a day off!!
@@c.t8958 This is the problem with the JW religion. Their doctrine is not well thought through at all.
Hi Falcon pls bring more, you're so directly getting to the point. Thanks 🙏👍
Your channel is great.
Thank you so much for your kind words🙏🙏🙏
There was no Bibles in the video only watchtower publications so she didnt learn from the Bible
I know Eric. "We really love what we're learning. We didn't realise the Bible was so practical"🤣🤣🤣🤣
I have a feeling watchtower came up with this video is because “Chosen” was influencing to many publishers.
Hey Cisco. Well, I really need to watch the chosen.
Hello! Im a "jehovahs witnesses"(ill be leaving soon) who came from abusive parents, and i wanted to know would making a video spread awareness about the topic? Ive seen lots of jw kids get abused in my congregation and i assume many more do to the very conservative views of jw members . Im a trans man who is bi and growing up with super conservative parents has made my life HELL. and i think bringing awareness will help others find themselves and leave the cult
One important key to scholarship is peer review as one of your guests stated. JW’s, on the other hand, promulgate their teachings through repeating them in an echo chamber with intolerance for dissent. The inevitable result of that is that inaccuracies and falsities are reinforced. And therein lies the history of this religion. As another well-known XJW channel stated, it’s better to have questions one can’t answer than answers one can’t question.
@@DavidTaylor-ki2ir Thank you very much for your comment. Yes 100%
Chaka. Please list all 12 points in your written notes after your video. It helps for better discussion among us as we talk about the key items in the 2024 Convention.
JWs used to celebrate Christmas. At the time, they said they weren’t pedantic about his birthday. It was to acknowledge that he was born! So why did they change the doctrine?
That talk about the Angels in the supermarket. Good old JWs still judging people even in a supermarket queue for heavens sake have the day off from criticising .
@@thetruthk5138 Great points. It's funny how JWs can't just not be douchebags without linking it to their being JWs
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns Sadly the is a JW who works in a local supermarket and he tells everyone he is a JW .
People who shop there really don't care and are not interested.
When I was a active Witness we used to think we were and are the centre of the whole world . But it's just the JWs did a job on us but I am grateful I can see through it all. And many more are waking up everyday.
@@thetruthk5138 Yes, they did a job on us... just like Mark Sanderson thinks people recognise him as the man from JW Broadcasting😬😬😬
Angels Too Busy in supermarkets ignoring JW children praying for help because their parents are abusing them.. 🐂 💩
I don’t believe in Jesus but love Christmas.
How are they losing members, and they claim to have almost nine million members? Someone is lying here.
@@user-ku6pt1gm4h If you look at their baptism numbers and net growth it becomes very obvious. I went through this in one of my recent videos. From 2019 to 2023 they had 1.2 million baptised. However, their net increase in the same period was only 300,000. Even if you factor in the death rate it means for every 1 person that gets baptised they are losing 2 members; so yeah they are losing more members than they are gaining and if their youth stops getting baptised their numbers will start to reduce.
@@AnthonyMorrisReturnsthe seventh day adventist church is growing by 1million 6oo thousand per year. And the total membership now stands at 22 million. Young Robert
Theyre loosing members because they have too many chairs at the hall 😅
@@Gabby-er1sr Touchè 😁
Well… I’m suffering a newly understood trauma. These guys are blithering idiots and I willingly subscribed!
Good lord. It is so weird to be out and look back and wonder how my brain and heart thought I had found ‘the deeper truths of god’.
Everything is so dumbified.
I really love Quentin Tarantino. His movies have a good soundtrack, however, he doesn’t rely on music to tell you how to feel. The script and the actors do their job of that.
These guys though, barf in my mouth already. The music is imperative in order to know what kind of way you’re supposed to feel.
It is extremely sad. But the great thing is we identified the lies and got out. Not many people have been able to do that.
Were they really prescribing reading scriptures to heal mental issues? OR are they simply suggesting that religious hope can help the person calm down and heal? Lots of stuff heal not just meds. Family environments, a change in outlook, etc. You guys make this out to be more than what its intended to be. This was a personal experience on the power of God's word to help a person heal. IT dose nto mean he was not using meds along with it but that med alone may not have been helping.
I got a master's degree. I never lost my privileges. I've been a JW 30 years.
The jw's are like: " we are right, and all other bible scholars are wrong".
And all this for an allegorical book. Cause it brings power, money and popularity and gives back fear and disappointments.
Its wreckless to now tell these believers who tought the end was near cause jw organisation said so, to tell them now the end will probably never come.
@@titiawaterval3112 Hey Titia! Yes, it's the siege mentality that the Jehovah's Witnesses leadership want to implant in their members. They created all these problems for themselves by being a doomsday cult.
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns i know. Been one from 2000 until 2014. All was based and still is on many doomsday's.
I wonder how the puppets will react at no more doomsday cause most were in because of fear for one
@@titiawaterval3112 Oh wow! 14 years! How did you get roped into the religion? Most JWs won't even notice any of these subtle changes to the doctrine... which I think is sad.
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns i had a autistic son and had alot of questions. Never trusted the witness but then one day i felt lonely and I was living at a place with almost no neighbours. So one day 3 people came and i tought they were counting the people cause there was a election comming up. So we talked and then when i asked what they came to do they said we wanne talk about the flood. So i said thank you cause a loving god would never let somany stinking corps on earth to rot and stink. And the lady who was a teacher just like me knew how to get my attention and showed me scriptures. So we most talked about god and the hope for my son. They were like a brother and a sister to me and i loved them very much. So it was the hope for my son and the love for these couple that I endend up getting baptised in 2003.
And then i began to see things i did not agree on and saw how these people were hard to some of each other. Still i loved those two and god. Than my husband became one to and he turned into a monster that taught i was now a slave of the bible to him. I played the role of the great loving sister for all and my house was a save haven for all withness .
But i was a mess inside. I knew in 5 years this can never be gods plan for me. But my kids were small and I wasnt ready to leave.
When i left i lost everything also my kids who were baptized. Only the youngest talks to me because she did not get baptized. Her daddy put her out of the house when she turned 18 and i took her in.
Its alot more But im out and i will STAY out.
@@titiawaterval3112 Oh wow! What a story. I'm really sorry to hear everything you've been through, I really am. Would you be open to coming on the channel and sharing your story
40:26 wow, I didn’t know Mary and Joseph had loose leaf copies of the Torah. Joseph even had family night going over the Holy writings with the children. Must have missed that in my copy of the Bible.
@@rickwilkerson3865 I know hahaha. People were even raising their hands. In the next episode I'm sure they'll have Jesus underlining his Watchtower
If anyone is LaCK HUMILITY is you guys. The logic is like 7th grade critics--like kids playing like they are TV show hosts.
this content is RIDICULOUS!
The problem with predicting Armageddon is that it has been and gone nearly 2000 years ago. It was a spiritual reference to Jerusalem and it's destruction by the Roman armies.
Exactly! I don't think the Governing Body can bring themselves to admit that Jesus' generation prophecy failed to come true... Or at least state that it only applied to Jerusalem
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns thanks for reply. The meaning of the prophecy escapes them. Jesus is recorded as saying some of them would not taste death before seeing him coming in judgement. Matthew 16:27,28. The context of Matthew 24 is destruction of Jerusalem, and that it would come within a generation.
Matthew 24,25; Mark 13 and Luke 21 discuss the events leading up to Jerusalem's destruction. John records the events in Revelation.
@@wantingtolearn2732 The reason they can't see any other meaning is because they always want to see an application in themselves. I personally think Jesus thought the end would come in his lifetime as he was an apocalyptic prophet like John the Baptist
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns the end did come in the first century, but it was always about the end of the old covenant. Peter said they were in the last days. Acts 2:17. Paul said Jesus appeared in the end times. Hebrews 1:1,2.
The problem they have is they think there will be a paradise earth with people living forever on it. But Jesus was the last Adam, there will never again be a perfect man on earth. 1 Corinthians 15:45.
We have been in the new covenant since the fall of the Temple.
@@wantingtolearn2732 I think Jesus was very definite about the end he met. He was an apocalyptic preacher who expected the "son of man" to come and destroy that system and replace it with the kingdom of God in which he and his apostles would be the rulersm
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Let’s not forget 1914 originally came from Pyramidology.
@@UnassignedTerritory 💯 I love your username. So jealous 😊😊😊
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns Haha
GUARDIAN ANGELS? DO yuo know the correct reference?
Ray franze said that just read the bible we don't need other books
Until it reached to 50 % would left in this organization, it proves that the groom is fast approaching, @Mat,25:
Hey buddy can you post about something that really cracks me up. The faithful and discreet slave which are anointed 144,000 . So the 9 guys on the governing body , again anointed 9 guys are all married 🤣 revelation 14:4 claims the anointed are virgins and have not slept with woman.
Hello. How many times could you see an apostate get baptized? Relates to Matias Colli channel. He is a former witness who recently infiltrated an assembly in Argentina and was baptized. a big hug!
@@JwRetroverdad Hahaha! Wow! I'll definitely check that out. I'm shocked the Holy Spirit failed to prevent that travesty
yes, please check it. Matias was also baptized with a t-shirt that refers to the devil, from an Argentine rock band. thanks for answering. you have a great attitude. greetings.
@@JwRetroverdad I just had a look. He's very brave hahaha. Interesting how they let him through.
Thank you for your kind words and greetings to you too.
They want new members and are accepting anyone to get people in then eventually they will have a talk in the backroom with him 🤭🤭. To many Jehovah's Witnesses are leaving.
@@M.A.Gordonhello. I clarify the situation. The person who was baptized was someone expelled from the congregation. He is an activist. He filtered himself among the candidates and was baptized. This person went with another activist and both were removed from the assembly. greetings!
I'm not a Jehovah Witness anymore haven't been for years. I read my Bible. I pray to Jehovah through Jesus. I listen to a lot of different videos looking for truth. Talking about Christmas, Jesus said he's in the world but not a part of it. Shouldn't we be walking in his footsteps? Religious Holidays originated from paganism and are worldly tradition. So do we want to be a part of it?
@@charlottehernandez3760 Thank you for tuning in and for your comment. Where does it say in the Bible that you can't celebrate Christmas?
Where in the Bible does it say we should? Why would we want to be part of paganism in the world. It does say Satan is the ruler of the world. So why would we want to be part of it. It's that simple..
@@charlottehernandez3760 do you know wearing of bridal veil is from paganism but Jehovah’s witnesses pick and choose which pagan custom they should practice so come back again with your point .
Have you seen OTHER PRODUCTIONS by religious groups? SMH
Misogynistic
1914 is based on Numerology? Really??????????????????????????????????? WOW! How much education did you guys say you had?
So you guys have never heard of prison ministries? So no other churches are doing ministries in prison???? REALLY? So what if they didn't? Then youjd be criticizing them for that. Ridiculous
JWs are going to phase out the door-to-door ministry? Really? Based on a video? Really? This logic is like middle school.
Jesus's was about 29 & a half😂
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NOt everyone is dumb enough to think that they know what clothes Jesus was wearing or what house they lived in. People! Get a job!
So you mean to really tell me you would be driving a Cadillac on that terrain? What is this video about? OH CRITICIZE EVERYTHING EVEN IF IT DOESN"T MAKE SENSE.
Even if they did, would you give them credit for it? This is just a hate talk. Now let's not mention that the talk HAD A PURPOSE different from your critique. Good LORD CONTEXT MATTERS. Yep you guys needed an education. Too bad your parent home schooled you.
Were you ever JEhovah's Witnesses? You seem to have no Bible knowledge other than stuff you googled to criticize the organization.
No need to put so much effort in the ministry without putting equal amounts of efforts to show love to those already in the congregation.
Not showing love by apologizing to a fellow believer who you have harmed or hurt, instead of always putting it on the person who has been hurt while the individuals who go around crushing people have no responsibility towards those they hurt; they just keep commenting like they are righteous.
They may be righteous, but they have no kindness. Kindness is a fruit of the spirit, righteousness is not.
@@QuëstionšnÅňşwęŕż 💯
11:37 typical JW cherry picking.
Who's to say Jesus was resurrected? He simply survived his crucifixion.
I have heard of this theory but I think it's a minority view among scholars.
@AnthonyMorrisReturns the reason I say this is because
● 1) The timing his execution took place. It was the night of the passover and no criminal was to remain on their torture impliment over night, so timing was crucial.
●2) The 2 criminals beside Jesus were alive and talking to each other. Their legs were broken to speed up their deaths. This is so they're no longer able to lift themselves up to breathe normally. It was common for men to remain alive for 3-4 days when being crucified....A slow painful torturous death.
●3) To the guards it appeared Jesus was already dead, so his legs were not broken. He never felt the spear plunge into his side. Why? Because when he drank the wine that was handed to him, what that was, it was an anesthetic which literally knocked him out unconscious. It was already prearranged among his faithful followers that Jesus would survive his crucifixion.
● 4) When Jesus cried out "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" At that point, he felt so weak he literally thought he was going to die. This was not meant to happen.
● 5) When one of the disciples asked for Pontius Pilate's permission to take Jesus down, he was granted that. Again, his fake death was pre-arranged.
● 6) Nicodemus and Mary Maggdolene were already waiting for Jesus at the burial tomb with myrrh and aloes. These herbs have amazing healing properties which they used to revive Jesus and begin the process of healing his wounds.
● 7) Jesus reappeared to his disciples 40 days later showing off his wounds to prove it was him, alive though unrecognizable, because he'd have been killed for a certainty if anyone knew it was really him.
● 8) Jesus later went on to travel Asia, and was later believed to have died in Kashmir India at the age of 80 yrs. His tomb is located there. You can research this fact.
If christendom were to acknowledge these facts as truth, this would destroy the whole concept of religion and Christianity in particular. Because the death and resurrection of Jesus and him dying for our sins is what christendom bases its whole theology on. Without it, christendom becomes a lie. As we know, Jesus was initially put to death for blasphemy, claiming to be God's son, sin had nothing to do with the reason he was being crucified. This concept was later added in the scriptures by the apostle Paul who after his conversion to Christianity, still held onto his strong Hebrew heritage and doctrines of blood sacrificial deaths of firstborn animals and humans to his God Yahweh. Exodus 13:1,2; Exodus 34:19, 20
@@morningglory9288 I guess what you're saying in points 1-7 would be valid if we were to assume that what the Gospel writers recorded is accurate history, which I'm just not on board with
@AnthonyMorrisReturns I agree, much of the Bible has been manipulated to promote a certain narrative men wanted to portray, mainly that Jesus died for our sins. But in doing so, they deliberately excluded other gospels that should've been included, ie: gospel of Mary, Judas, Philip, Thomas, gospel of truth, gospel of Peter, Enoch, among many others. These books went against the narrative they wanted to portray, so were deliberately excluded.
So having said that, what it all boils down to is that none of us are sinners, and Jesus did not die for our sins.
Gospel of Mary QUOTE: "Peter said to him, "Since you've explained everything to us, tell us one more thing. What's the sin of the world?"
The Savior said, "Sin doesn't exist..."
@@morningglory9288 Absolutely fascinating! You're right, they couldn't have anything in there that didn't fit the narrative. It's interesting that historical scholars use the non-canonical Gospels when they are trying to form a picture about Jesus.
Now what did all of this have to do with why JWs are losing members? JUST JUNK and CLICK BAIT!
So far this makes no sense. You guys are just desperate to create content.
Hey buddy can you post about something that really cracks me up. The faithful and discreet slave which are anointed 144,000 . So the 9 guys on the governing body , again anointed 9 guys are all married 🤣 revelation 14:4 claims the anointed are virgins and have not slept with woman.
Hey. That's a great idea. I've actually been planning to do a video on the 144K teaching so you can definitely look forward to seeing that in the next few weeks.