I myself strongly advocate for Amfleet, Horizon and LRC coaches not being scrapped, and for the first gen Acela Express units to be either converted to hauled trainsets or kept as MUs, because definitely the Amfleet and Horizons and possibly the LRCs and/or Acelas (I recall reading the Acela coach is derived from the LRC coach, which makes sense given the shape of the car body, obviously not the case with the new trains supposed to replace them) could replace UTDCs on certain services that have more of a regional or intercity character, like the RoadRunner in New Mexico or the very rural Ventura County Line on Metrolink, and this would allow for an increase in GoTransit’s fleet. It looks like the Vancouver system is either successful or running too much rolling stock; in the latter case I would suggest giving them the LRC cars that are to be replaced by Venture (which would avoid the headache of importing American made Amfleets and Horizons to Canada or vice versa), although I would rather see these and especially any Heritage cars used on Corridor trains used to establish an Edmonton-Calgary train, perhaps originating in Vancouver or as part of the train formerly called the Skeena if Alberta doesn’t want to finance it
You don't understand Government of Ontario (GO) Transit. It is basically a regional railway, and currently in the process of converting to a frequet suburban railway with electrification and service every 15minutes or better coming soon. Their peak-period ridership before pandemic was insane, on busy lines like Lakeshore they would be running several packed like sardines 12-bilevel strong trains during the peak. Honestly, they need to switch to electric multiple units with electrification, but they have so many bilevels it might have to be locomotives (the coaches last forever).
I’ve always had an eternal fondness for these cars. And it goes much past them having such great horns on most railroads that operate them, as well as the roof-mounted bells with those beautiful dopplers, and how they seem to take on this super nice aesthetic look from absolutely any angle you look at them from. I took the full time and effort to count up that a precise total of 223 Non-CEM Cab Cars of the type were built from 1983 to 2014 for 14 different operators (and being leased to a 15th one), and 5 of those I know closely in person, those being my home railroad, UTA FrontRunner, as well as Rail Runner, Caltrain, ACE, and Tri-Rail.
Trust me man, GO needs all those coaches especially on the lakeshore and kitchener lines because those trains get packed during the rush hour. Interesting fact, GO considered buying gallery coaches before testing them and realizing a design update was necessary prompting them to design these beauties. Great video!
Bi-level: "we want a high capacity low boarding double decker car that doesn't look like a prison train (looking at you gallery cars)" multi-level: "we want a bi-level but it needs to fit in Penn Station and needs to have level boarding" C3: "we want a bi-level but it needs to fit in Penn station, have level boarding, and can't look like NJT .... because reasons"
Not directly coaches, but there were recently sold >1000 locomotives of one model in several variants sold to various european railroads, of which one variant became the Siemens Chargers for North america. Czech Tatra trams were built >10k during the cold war era...There are a few examples.
STM: Montreal's subway system. Hawker Siddely: UK aerospace firm, most famous for the JumpJet. Also... Bombardier started building trains for the New York subway and LIRR.
See, with all the comosion he explained in the video with the Train Series, No wonder NJT transit wanted nothing to do with that, they smart No offense bombardier
Apologies for some weird parts of this video, I lost files for the original edit of the video, so I kinda had to rush it and forgot a few things.
2:15 There is some overlap talking between the original & rushed/lost edit of the video.
As someone who used to work for GO Transit, let me tell you, GO does in fact need all 979 of those coaches. If anything, they don't have enough 😅
Oh they definitely don’t have enough lol
wow so that means that even tho they have 1 mile trains they still need longer coaches
I myself strongly advocate for Amfleet, Horizon and LRC coaches not being scrapped, and for the first gen Acela Express units to be either converted to hauled trainsets or kept as MUs, because definitely the Amfleet and Horizons and possibly the LRCs and/or Acelas (I recall reading the Acela coach is derived from the LRC coach, which makes sense given the shape of the car body, obviously not the case with the new trains supposed to replace them) could replace UTDCs on certain services that have more of a regional or intercity character, like the RoadRunner in New Mexico or the very rural Ventura County Line on Metrolink, and this would allow for an increase in GoTransit’s fleet. It looks like the Vancouver system is either successful or running too much rolling stock; in the latter case I would suggest giving them the LRC cars that are to be replaced by Venture (which would avoid the headache of importing American made Amfleets and Horizons to Canada or vice versa), although I would rather see these and especially any Heritage cars used on Corridor trains used to establish an Edmonton-Calgary train, perhaps originating in Vancouver or as part of the train formerly called the Skeena if Alberta doesn’t want to finance it
You don't understand Government of Ontario (GO) Transit. It is basically a regional railway, and currently in the process of converting to a frequet suburban railway with electrification and service every 15minutes or better coming soon. Their peak-period ridership before pandemic was insane, on busy lines like Lakeshore they would be running several packed like sardines 12-bilevel strong trains during the peak. Honestly, they need to switch to electric multiple units with electrification, but they have so many bilevels it might have to be locomotives (the coaches last forever).
I’ve always had an eternal fondness for these cars. And it goes much past them having such great horns on most railroads that operate them, as well as the roof-mounted bells with those beautiful dopplers, and how they seem to take on this super nice aesthetic look from absolutely any angle you look at them from. I took the full time and effort to count up that a precise total of 223 Non-CEM Cab Cars of the type were built from 1983 to 2014 for 14 different operators (and being leased to a 15th one), and 5 of those I know closely in person, those being my home railroad, UTA FrontRunner, as well as Rail Runner, Caltrain, ACE, and Tri-Rail.
Trust me man, GO needs all those coaches especially on the lakeshore and kitchener lines because those trains get packed during the rush hour. Interesting fact, GO considered buying gallery coaches before testing them and realizing a design update was necessary prompting them to design these beauties. Great video!
Bi-level: "we want a high capacity low boarding double decker car that doesn't look like a prison train (looking at you gallery cars)"
multi-level: "we want a bi-level but it needs to fit in Penn Station and needs to have level boarding"
C3: "we want a bi-level but it needs to fit in Penn station, have level boarding, and can't look like NJT .... because reasons"
2:20 audio all fucked up
I believe it's pronounced Bombard-ee-ae.
Altogether: Bom-BAHRR-dee-AY.
I miss the era of Metrolink being all-Bombadier UTDC. Especially the first gen and third gen cars (which were all cab cars if I recall)
4:25 SNCF bought 3,193 CoRail coaches for their network so it's really not that absurd of a number
Not directly coaches, but there were recently sold >1000 locomotives of one model in several variants sold to various european railroads, of which one variant became the Siemens Chargers for North america. Czech Tatra trams were built >10k during the cold war era...There are a few examples.
STM: Montreal's subway system.
Hawker Siddely: UK aerospace firm, most famous for the JumpJet.
Also... Bombardier started building trains for the New York subway and LIRR.
@@ianweniger6620 STM is just the Montreal transit authority, you don’t call TTC if you’re talking about the Toronto Subway
Great video! I love riding these cars into work on the Metrolink. I wish they would order some CEM bombardiers. The rotems just are not the same.
And then bombardier shot themselves in the foot due to mismanagement in their rail and aerospace industries. RIP bombardier
The founder J amard Bombardier is from Québec!
7:47 I still freaking hate those goddamn *2304 K5CA horn*
How about their Multilevel Coach as used on NJ Transit and a few other services?
In Canada and the US* Commuter rail are EMUs in the majority of cases around the world
Tri-Rail is my favorite railroad to own the bombardier bi level coach cars 507 is my favorite
2:20 😮
he just had a lot to talk about ig
Uhh go needs more.. and it’s 12 coaches
Thanks for your video.
Multilevel > Bilevel
Love em either way
The multi-level is "we want the bi-level, but it needs to fit in Penn Station and needs to have level boarding.
@@mrvwbug4423 yes, but they look cleaner imo
Bombardier Multilevel coach next?
The Bombardier bilevel coaches are actually good. What is a CEM cab car?
CEM cab cars are the newer cab cars with the rounded front ends.
@@bahnspotterEU It stands for Crash Energy Management. All GO's 4000 series coaches are also CEM compliant.
Bombardier was actually founded in Montreal Canadá by a french guy named Joseph Bombardier. I'm unsure where you got Berlin from?
Bombardier was founded in Canada, however Bombardier Transportation, a Subsidiary, was founded in Berlin
@@Official5008Creationsand is now a subsidiary of French Alstom
Hey, bombardier makes planes too!
Where are gallery’s
bombardier isnt pronounced how it looks, its pronounced Bom-BAR-dee-ay
Good video. 👍
what i was just listening to the same music in the beginning
What is CEM?
Crash energy mitigation. Basically, it's railroading terminology for a crumble zone.
Somebody is no longer a thing anymore
6:39 you did not use my pic I’m sueing
Jk
See, with all the comosion he explained in the video with the Train Series,
No wonder NJT transit wanted nothing to do with that, they smart
No offense bombardier
@@Amrep335 Those bilevels wouldn’t even fit on the NEC where NJT runs with Amtrak that’s why they went with the multilevel.
I like the RTA CNW/Amtrak gallery cars better.
Bombardier is a French name, it isn’t pronounced like an English name. Pronounced “Bomb-bar-dee-ay”.
Good vid
Are trains in N America made ugly on purpose? 🤔🤣
Trains in Europe are fugly
@@SomeRamdomAhole ❄
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