It was quite a journey to get this TAS made. The PC-98 era of Touhou games is quite underappreciated in my opinion, compared to the Windows-era games. The same goes to the scoring systems they have, despite being limited by their hardware. There is however still alot to these games if you delve into them. Hope this was entertaining!
Glad to see this on TASVideos. If you like PC-98 Touhou, you'll also like the regular runs KirbyComment's channel has to offer. He does mainly score runs of the PC-98 games, mainly Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream, and they're a blast to watch.
Ever since being involved in early scoring experimentation in this game myself 10 years ago, I've been hoping to see what a TAS can achieve on Lunatic. Nice to see it finally happened, and just as impressive as I expected... and even as a TASVideos publication! Very informative submission comments as well.
There is a test called the "two-points sensitivity discrimination treshold" which consist of touching a blindfolded person with two chopsticks at once on different parts of their body to prove that the human body's tactile sense cannot detect more than one point of pressure at a time if the eyes don't see it to convey the information. These type of games are like 10,000 moving chopsticks at once for my sense of sight. As soon as there are more than 10 bullets displayed on screen, I can't see my character anymore. Between the background and my projectiles going forward, the enemies and their bullets going downward and my character moving all over the place + the spread shots coming from everywhere... I just don't understand. It's like jugling with 100 grains of rice while sprinting backwards under pouring rain.
You must learn to see only your character. Let the world move around you and move yourself only as needed. As you focus on your character your peripheral vision will compensate and the rest should fall into place. This doesn't work for everyone, though.
You'd get used to it after a couple days/weeks. It's like with rhythm games - at the beginning sightreading seems impossible, but after practice it becomes natural.
Yeah, you basically have to learn to induce tunnel vision when playing these games-most of the bullets on the screen are just pretty noise, and you usually only need to care about the ones near your character, with the exceptions being pretty well-telegraphed on average.
See, touhou is made up of projectiles. Projectiles that have hitboxes. It is well-documented by this point that hitboxes are suggestions to TAS. I can't say I'm overly surprised that lasers can just be bounced through for additional grazing.
Yeah the lasers have these sort of repeating diamond-shaped hitboxes, but there's gaps between them. They're very thin though and you wouldn't ever try going through them in a real run. Oddities like these and more can be found in the author comments.
@@thesubinion Oh I disagree. I think OP has played these before and seen the absolute madlads that do stunts like "Impossible Spellcard with no items challenge."
This TAS tool it’s so awesome that I was blown up that you grazed the SH*T out to the bosses… however there was one disappointment in me… you fought Mai instead of Yuki… I’m fairly disappointed… the rest it’s fine
The reason Mai was fought is that she has those enemy things that give score if you defeat them. If it wasn't for that, Yuki would be the pick due to having higher bullet density, and thus, better score on bullet clear. (Graze didn't matter as it was maxed out beforehand)
Not sure if you have or haven't played a Touhou or similar flavor of bullet hell game before, but in case you haven't or anyone reading hasn't, there's a very specific point on the character which is vulnerable. Said point is visible under certain conditions (some refer to it as "Focus"). There's a lot more to it than just the info I just provided, but if anyone's interested, it can be easily found online. (Edit: Better sentence structure)
@@notabaka894 It's...very much not uncommon to see someone in the comments of these videos say what you said but not meme'ing around. That's why I explained it.
![[TAS] TH11 - Subterranean Animism "Lunatic" Reimu with Aya 6,795,505,260](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/6UkVu1Srx5I/mqdefault.jpg)
![[TAS] [Gothic (sans-serif) font] Windows Cave Story "best ending" by nitsuja in 50:10.30](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/rbQj5NiQ4L8/mqdefault.jpg)
Timestamps by score:
2:20 10 million
14:19 100 million (A0,000,000)
33:18 284,581,040 (S4,581,040)
Timestamps by stage:
0:23 Stage 1
4:27 Stage 2
7:37 Stage 3
14:29 Stage 4
25:04 Stage 5
29:37 Final Stage
[Added at 2022/06/26]
Timestamps by misc. items:
1:09 Maxed dream power
3:50 Maxed grace (thanks silverfoenix)
4:50 Full powerup
15:51 Maxed bomb count
3:50 Graze counter reaches 999 & stops counting!
@@silverfoenix
Note that the graze counter resets to 0 at the start of every stage, and has to be built up to the 999 cap again each time.
It was quite a journey to get this TAS made. The PC-98 era of Touhou games is quite underappreciated in my opinion, compared to the Windows-era games. The same goes to the scoring systems they have, despite being limited by their hardware. There is however still alot to these games if you delve into them. Hope this was entertaining!
gg!
Awesome
Congrats, you got a new sub by the way
I don't know what's so deep about it, just get away from the bullets bro.
Just kidding.
Ah yes. The game that calls you "Human Failure" when you get a game over.
"Those Japanese games where if you lose it tells you how many fingers you have to sever to preserve your honor," _Gordan Freeman
Glad to see this on TASVideos.
If you like PC-98 Touhou, you'll also like the regular runs KirbyComment's channel has to offer. He does mainly score runs of the PC-98 games, mainly Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream, and they're a blast to watch.
18:40 Never seen Mai's laser get stuck like that before
Some of the grazing movement is really crazy.
Never expect to see Touhou PC-98 TAS on this channel. What a wonderful day.
OMG Your Picture!!😂
Ever since being involved in early scoring experimentation in this game myself 10 years ago, I've been hoping to see what a TAS can achieve on Lunatic. Nice to see it finally happened, and just as impressive as I expected... and even as a TASVideos publication! Very informative submission comments as well.
Gasp! Mystic Square! ;0
This was a genuine surprise. People often don't seem to care about the oldest of these games. Thanks.
Woah, pc-98, nice!
There is a test called the "two-points sensitivity discrimination treshold" which consist of touching a blindfolded person with two chopsticks at once on different parts of their body to prove that the human body's tactile sense cannot detect more than one point of pressure at a time if the eyes don't see it to convey the information.
These type of games are like 10,000 moving chopsticks at once for my sense of sight. As soon as there are more than 10 bullets displayed on screen, I can't see my character anymore. Between the background and my projectiles going forward, the enemies and their bullets going downward and my character moving all over the place + the spread shots coming from everywhere... I just don't understand. It's like jugling with 100 grains of rice while sprinting backwards under pouring rain.
*while also dodging the rain itself
You must learn to see only your character. Let the world move around you and move yourself only as needed. As you focus on your character your peripheral vision will compensate and the rest should fall into place. This doesn't work for everyone, though.
You'd get used to it after a couple days/weeks. It's like with rhythm games - at the beginning sightreading seems impossible, but after practice it becomes natural.
These games are mostly scripted, just learn the script and you will be fine
Yeah, you basically have to learn to induce tunnel vision when playing these games-most of the bullets on the screen are just pretty noise, and you usually only need to care about the ones near your character, with the exceptions being pretty well-telegraphed on average.
All I see is spheres of love and passion.
Nice TAS.
Nice TAS.
Alternate Title: Mima becomes a god.
I mean she *did* say she was a God
You got such an insane score the game turned it into a string
dang i like the music
The NES Demake version removes the graze limit.
See, touhou is made up of projectiles. Projectiles that have hitboxes.
It is well-documented by this point that hitboxes are suggestions to TAS.
I can't say I'm overly surprised that lasers can just be bounced through for additional grazing.
actually lasers don't give graze in PC-98, so he was just messing around with their hitboxes
@@raymariopokenic1561 Huh. That's some useful advice I will no doubt forget before I finally get off my butt and try the old school touhou games.
Touhou back in the day, when everything was grass.
Nice One!!
wtf, why is the bot going through Sara's lasers? is it that Mima is fast enough to actually not touch them frame by frame?
The laser hitboxes actually come in small chunks essentially. This can be done on the Yuki & Mai fight too, there's like 4-5 pixels of leeway
@@Iris_Descent oh so their hitboxes are primitive rectangles with some gaps in between
pretty much?
Something like that.
Yeah the lasers have these sort of repeating diamond-shaped hitboxes, but there's gaps between them. They're very thin though and you wouldn't ever try going through them in a real run. Oddities like these and more can be found in the author comments.
more doom and touhou tases pls
18:17 looks so satisfying
good tas
These bosses are no joke holy f---
Yooo touhou!
今宵も完璧ダゼ😊
Score 284 581 040
nice i subbed
BREAKING: Flying magical japanese cat/fox girl seen haphazardly breakdancing around lethal spheres of super-concentrated light and heat
The craziest thing is, you could've told me this was a human player and I would've believed it.
2:38 bruh not really
Plot twist: it's a mildly experienced 2hu player, but not enough experienced to avoid the rain
And that's how you can tell the OP has never played these before
@@thesubinion Oh I disagree. I think OP has played these before and seen the absolute madlads that do stunts like "Impossible Spellcard with no items challenge."
This TAS tool it’s so awesome that I was blown up that you grazed the SH*T out to the bosses… however there was one disappointment in me… you fought Mai instead of Yuki… I’m fairly disappointed… the rest it’s fine
The reason Mai was fought is that she has those enemy things that give score if you defeat them. If it wasn't for that, Yuki would be the pick due to having higher bullet density, and thus, better score on bullet clear. (Graze didn't matter as it was maxed out beforehand)
I guess Lazers are just a silly myth?
OKAYYY
This one is more like Psyvariar buzz grinding.
does pc98 emulators has tas tools?
Pls play them as a human run
ah yes, Mystic Square, the only one I tried playing
never even beat Sara lmao
Explain. How the actual F-[fumo] did you exploit on this game & device you literally are going non stop in out within a lazer... 4:05
At least I will let it pass because of this absurdness 16:47
where hitbox
So it's like... strike gunner with waifus?
Bullet hell gonna bullet
@@SullySadface pew pew
p much
Haha funny projectiles doing nothing
Not sure if you have or haven't played a Touhou or similar flavor of bullet hell game before, but in case you haven't or anyone reading hasn't, there's a very specific point on the character which is vulnerable. Said point is visible under certain conditions (some refer to it as "Focus"). There's a lot more to it than just the info I just provided, but if anyone's interested, it can be easily found online.
(Edit: Better sentence structure)
@@DooyevenTriforce holy shift dude, good job wasting your time for me, I appreciate it
@@notabaka894 It's...very much not uncommon to see someone in the comments of these videos say what you said but not meme'ing around. That's why I explained it.
Why not try and play this game on highest difficulty. After that, let us hear your thoughts about “funny projectiles” which you arbitrarily restated.
So much seething in the comments lol
Looks like average Touhou gameplay to me n_~
弾打ってるだけで点数入って 当たり判定ゼロ
何が面白いの？これ
シリーズの中でもシステムが整ってない時代のゲームだし1人で制作してるし……仕方ないよ
多分風神録っていう作品以降なら面白く感じるんじゃないかな