Vega 64 + Thermal Grizzly
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
- So if you have seen any of my other videos where I test a cooler or clean up a graphics card there is a fairly good chance you will have heard me say something like
“Then I applied some MX-2 Thermal Paste”
And the reason for that is simple. As far as thermal pastes go, Arctics MX-2 performs better than stock applications, isn’t electrically conductive which means its safe to use on GPU’s, has a low cure time and most importantly it's one of the cheapest recognised pastes you can buy.. And when your building and cleaning up multiple components on a weekly basis the cost factor is amplified in its importance.
But it’s by no means “the best” performing. Sure its fairly easy to use and spread but its thermal conductivity - which is the measure of how easily heat will be transferred through it is not exactly class leading - sitting at 5.6W/(mK), its better than OEM stock paste for sure .. But that means its only has 45% the thermal conductivity of this...
Thermal Grizlys Kryonaut which has a thermal conductivity of 12.5W/(mK)
Now the bulk of todays video is fairly simple, at the end of 2018, I replaced the VRM Thermal Pad on my Strix Vega 64 with a higher performing and better sized one from Thermal Grizly, but when re-assembling the card I simply used my tried and trusted MX-2 on the GPU & HBM2 package.
We all know that Vega can kick out a good bit of heat so I want to see if there is any benefit to using a premium paste on an application like this.
Music used under free to use.
Music by CMAMusic
/ cma-music
Disclaimer:
F7GOS assumes no liability for damage, misuse or misunderstanding of the information contained in this video. Use this information at your own risk. F7GOS cannot guarantee any particular result from the information contained in this video, and all information was presented as correct as of filming. F7GOS accepts no liability for information being proven incorrect after the creation of the video, and all information should be taken as opinion and guidance, not fact.
This video was not sponsored by anyone, and we do not accept monetary - or non-monetary - benefits to alter opinions or results.
Honestly, you've been the best help with figuring out my Vega 64. I have the exact same card, and everything you go over and especially how you go about explaining it is spot on. You've been a huge help, all of your videos for that matter. Keep it up bro 👍👍👍
more than welcome. Thats why I love my Vega more than the GTX 1080, love tinkering and trying stuff out which the Vega cards are great for
Nice work. I know it's expensive, but it is worth it. Like you stated, the biggest advantage is the elimination of hotspots. We can really see this when we look at individual core temps on a CPU, as measured by HWInfo. To me, this proves that it give the heat time to transfer through the rest of the die evenly, by the initial soaking of the hotspot.
I swear by Kryonaut, and have been using it ever since it came out. Though I tend to run my hardware at the extreme.
Keep Calm, And Raise V-Core!
EDIT: Spelling correction. (Stupid fingers!)
I have been very impressed with how quickly it allows heat to shift tbh. Made me even rethink using MX-2 for all my "general refurbs" that don't go onto the channel.. might need to have a look see if there is something out there better than MX2, but less expensive / g than Kryonaut
@@F7GOS Ian Cutress from AnandTech says he likes MX-4 at 8.5W/mK, and I've heard good things about Gelid GC-Extreme at 8.9W/mK. Here's a link to a "Top 15" article, Just scroll to the bottom to see specs, and there's a red button next to each for a current price. Hope it helps, or maybe you make some more content comparisons. (Hint, Hint!)
EDIT: Forgot the link!
www.wepc.com/reviews/best-thermal-paste/
Well if mr Cutress says its good its bound to be worth a look! Cheers
My friend. I just bought an rx vega 56 for 180 from ebay. Most happy, now to absorb all vega content! Anyways looking up thermals atm as ofc it's a blower card. In time I shall get a third party cooler. The gpu comes with the vega 64 bios. Sold my r9 fairy "fury" for only 110 to a happy soul. So the vega cost me 70 quid hehe.
Nice work dude ,
I have gtx 980ti asus strix I was hitting 85~ degrees , so I changed it to mx4 , it dropped to 65~80 degrees , I tried thermal grizzly kryonaut , all what I saw is the same temps but after a while , about a week gaming on pubg , it got better , to 65~77 degrees , not much but that's what I got
I have a V64 reference card here, a tube of TG Hydronaut and a tube of EK Ektotherm. Was toying with the idea of doing a comparo, but I didn't think it would make much difference. Might be worth testing now.
Always worth a test 😅 repasting Vega cards is a game in itself
Good stuff. I had a v56 on water and I chased the hot spot temp around for quite a long time. I tried probably 5 types of paste, and kyronaut was the best. It's mostly academic, but a couple degrees here and there is worth the effort.
I ended up using an IC graphite pad (30x30mm fits vega die perfectly), and it's thermals are basically a tad better than kryonaut was, but very similar overall. At the end of the day, it's all about making Vega a little more efficient through undervolting. The hotspot rises as the power use does, no way around it.
I'm about to put mine under water too. Do you know if Vegas have the same height on hbm and gpu die or? That's what worries me.
Cool video, answered questions I had about thermal paste. Thanks!👍🏻
Key is no bubbles whichever method you use, air has a thermal conductivity of around 20-30 mW/(mK) which is magnitudes worse than the Kryonauts 12,500 mW/(mK)...
But at same time coverage is the key with Vega😅
nice to see asus put some thermal paste in your card, just had to strip down my 1080ti strix oc which I have owned from new, I never noticed any issues until i upgraded to 4k recently (previous 1080p) where my temps started hitting 85 within seconds, so took the cooler off which was the first time its been off since being made.
It wasn't a case of the paste had dried up, there wasn't any to dry up, the die had a perfect chrome finish to it with no residue to it or the cooler. apart from a small smear of paste to literally one corner.
I applied some arctic silver (all i had) and now max temps under full load is 62 degrees, but think i will order some grizzly, not really needed right now but seems to be one of the best so worth doing.
That's an un-molded package and yes you need more paste but if it's a molded package believe me you would never need to use that much Kryonaut paste ;)
Thanks for the time to make this video as I found it entertaining mate! IMHO that un-molded package still had a bit to much paste. I use TG all the time on cpu and gpu and a thin film yields better results then more paste.
Ill have to double check my terminology then, always just associated molded packages as the ones with resin and everything level.
Yeah it likely is a little more than needed.. probably a few quids worth spilling over the sides as we speak 😅
with the vrm thermal pads and the new thermal paste application, did you see better clocks? the frequencies speed maintaining and not fluctuating that much
i have a vega56 red devil, i been thinking of doing the same ..
honestly I'm a bit scared of tearing it apart , what if i cant put it back together again lol
I received the Thermal Grizzly paste with my GPU waterblock and works great. For all my other stuff I use the Phanteks PH-NDC. I recently used the Phanteks paste on a Vega 56 ant the temps came down by a few degrees.
Always happy to see Vega 64 naked ;)
the big girl does look nice under all that TIM right enough!
*hol up*
I've started using kryonaut over mx4 for my main rig. 22 quid for 11.1g... vs 16 quid for 25g. I will be using mx 4 for all other builds as its prices the best and is still really good.
I know this is an old vid, but do you remember how thick the thermal pads were?
Lo mate, just bought a vega 64 strix. Going to try the Kryonaut to replace the thermal paste in the card just now. One thing however is can you tell me what your thermal pad specs are? Not sure if I need to get the 1.5 or the 3mm pads to replace the VRM pad.
It would have been cool to see a revisit on this, I expect the temps to lower quite a lot over say a month.
I use Phobya NanoGrease, my 390x's (I have 2, plus a 2600k at 5GHz all core under water) mine Ethereum at about 3-4c above water temp aka 36c core temp. The Phobya paste is unspreadable, it's like tar, it's insane. Temps immediately after install are high, but a month later, you notice that they are unbelievably low. The 390x is a damn hot card. My CPU doesn't exceed 60c at 5GHz, same paste. Such a shame you can't get it anymore, I've been looking for a replacement, but can't find anything that beats it's 16w/mk rating.
Is it possible to mount the old original ASUS pad to the back of the VRMs to transfer heat to the backplate?
Have a Thermal pad on the way for my card.
Nice review sir. Btw i have a reference xfx vega 64. I also repasted it with noctua nt-h1 paste. I also use the spread method to cover the whole package (gpu die and hbm and the space in between them). I have an unmolded die) Depending on the temps, the delta between gpu temps and hotspot temps is about 20-30 deg. ( Ex is at 73 deg gpu temps, my hotspot will be around 96-101 deg at full load and clock speed 50% power limit) do you think its worth to upgrade to kryonaut? And what is your temp variance between gpu and hotspot temps? Thanks in advance. I really want to lower my hotspot temps more so i can lower my fan speed. Oh and my gpu is undervolted and underclock p7 at 1583 mhz/ 1070 mv and 55% fan speed and its inside a small itx case (dan a4 sfx). 60% above fan speed is driving me crazy. Hehehe its like a hair blower. Hahaha
The real problem whit comparing temps is the dynamic clock speeds i find that below 60 c the Vega 64 boost alot more then above 60 c so when u get better cooling its boosting higher thus consuming more power and generating more heat
I ordered Kryonaut paste and it will be arriving next week! Hopefully it works.
so how was it?
Thanks for the video. I've been trying to figure out why my Vega 56's core frequency has been throttling like crazy (as low as 1400mhz) when I play at 4k at stock settings and I've not been able to sustain core clocks over 1612mhz at 2k (UV'd to 1025mv freq 1622mhz). My core temp never goes above 54c and my HBM never passes 58c. I stumbled across the hot spot temp when I was fiddling around with the power play tables and saw that the max hot spot temp was set to 105c. I had hwinfo run while I started up and game and found that my Hot spot got up to 109c! Can't wait for my kryonaught paste to get here, I hope that I can fix whatever PowerColor did wrong.
Edit: My fans are set to 100%.
I have the vega 56 strix. Would you recommend replacing the stock thermal paste with mx-4? Did you see a significant difference when you compared mx2 with stock?
There was an improvement yeah, but even larger improvement with TG kryonaut. The pad situ depends if you have the rev B backplate with the additional heatsink built in but regardless, an aftermarket pad will be higher quality than the OEM one.
Do you have any experience with Noctua NT-H1? I just tried replacing the stock thermal paste on my RX 580 (five months old) with it, and it hasn't really made much difference. Wondering if I could get it cooler with better paste.
I would be interested in that comparison. I use NT-H1 and find it's really good stuff at least for CPUs. Could be your gpu already had good paste. At least with kryonaut it's non-curing
GPU: GTX 970 Gaming 4G MSI OC
MX-4 fresh: 75-76 full load
MX-4 half a year: Over 83 full load
Cooler Master E1 fresh: 73 full load
Cooler Master E1 half a year: 78-79 full load
BQ DC-1 fresh: 71-72 full load
BQ DC-1 3 months: Over 85 full load
Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut fresh: 70 degrees stable full load
TG Kryo half year: in progress
Case NZXT S340 Elite 2x 120mm back/top wall, adding front fans made performance worse. Here is my research. Expensive, but worth it. Better boost clocks, lower temps I am curious to see how the long stress run will go on Grizzly.
Tell me how Kryonaut performs in half a year
just got some Kryonaut recently myself so will be interesting to see results you have :)
@@SakiSkai i would like to know too.
These results are pretty nice man,I wonder how would perform Conductonaut or other liquid metal paste.
If one of the would let drop the temperatures below 68 celsius degrees.
6 month went by. got an update?
I haven't got the nerve to open up my Strix RX580, but I can certainly see the pros on using Kryonaut. Nice, clear video by the way, and what's your CPU cooler? Looks really cool.
Subd.
Rufinoman its sooo easy! its worth it
What are you using to read hotspot info? Perhaps it's just a strix feature (I have sapphire nitro+) but I've only been using afterburner. And it only has "GPU" and Mem
Just bought this specific Vega 64 card two days ago, and woah.... The VRM temperatures are high, at stock my card is reaching 111c on the "VR SOC" and 98c on the "VR MEM". Going to return for either refund or repair, as I do not want to void the warranty replacing the thermal pad and paste. More leaning towards refund, as it seems ALL Strix Vega 64 cards are like this. Though, I did see one comment somewhere saying that they had a "grey" thermal pad instead of the typical yellow one, and their temperature were much lower, they didn't apply this pad either apparently, it came from the factory like that.
Maybe I have an old stock variant, not the first one however, as the one VRM closest to the power cables is fully covered with a small heat-sink expanding on to the plastic. Regardless though, the temperatures are still unacceptable!
TLDR: hotspot hitting 105 degrees in games but every other temp ok. help please. Great Video
UPDATE: I fixed it, turned out to be a bad batch of thermal paste.
I know this video is 2 years old, but I changed my thermal paste and thermal pads and after doing so the hotspot sensor is spiking and sitting at 105 degrees when playing a game, ramping up the fans. vrm sits around 65-70 and gpu/hbm sits at around 60 - 65 when gaming. Do you know where the hotspot sensor is? I know AMD has said that for the new GPU's the hotspot is an area they've loaded with temp sensors as they expect that spot to be the hottest on the GPU, but I thought the RX Vega 64 hotspot sensor sits in-between the HBM and the GPU die?
Also Great video man! very helpful.
Try thermal grizzly
Condactonaut
I'm waiting on my delivery of Kryonaut for my Red Devil Vega 64 so I can swap the thermal pads and paste. I'm getting hotspot temps up to like 94 degrees at 61 degrees core (stopped testing since it was ridiculously high).
I know this an older video, but I wanted to know if you had your undervolt profile shared anywhere. I feel like I struggle to lower some of the temps on my Vega, and anything to cut a few degrees off would be delightful.
Every card is different so it's really just a case of tweaking down incrementally. With Vega64 though it responds much better to memory speed bumps than clocks.. you could lower the core to get allow for lower stable undervolting and try to push up the memory speed a little and you likely still will end up better performance.
Kryonaut is specifically designed for sub zero cooling where other thermal pastes are prone to cracking at such low temps, you'd have probably been better off using liquid metal/nail polish.
True it would help temps but I dont really fancy dealing with the eventual alloying of the gallium into heatsink. Negligible or not if I ever sold the card it would likely hurt the resale price or at the very least limit who would want to buy it... if I had a spare heatsink though... 🤔... scampers off to check ebay 😂
Interesting! Would cooler temps allow you a higher overclock? I presume so... I got a GTX1070 from ebay and wonder if changing the paste will give me a higher overclock. So recently bought some paste and alcohol wipes and have a couple of old 7870s to test it on first. But of course, getting the overclock stable also takes a lot of effort. So wondered what results you had seen? Thanks again!
not likely unless the OE thermal paste was not applied correctly and the gpu is overheating due to it. even the best thermal paste offers small improvements over standard paste. 5 degrees is 5 degrees though and if your gonna have the cooler off may as well replace the paste with a better product but dont expect miracles. id rec a liquid cooling setup with full cover block if you want more OC headroom as this should provide the best results short of extreme solutions. but even on water its not like you will all of a sudden pick up another 200mhz on core it will be incremental and not really worth it unless you just want every last bit of what your hardware can provide. vega air cooled cars can often be oc'd to 1650-1700 where a good watercooler vega chip can hit 1750 on water but thats with a good chip not all will do it fully stable even on water
I have the master gel maker with is way thicker, can I use any pencil to spread it out?I have a brush used for cleaning a mighty vaporizer, would that be good?it doesn't bend easily, opposite to a pencil
I use the same thermal paste on my Vega 56 with Morpheus II cooler, and I've never seen the gpu temperature above 60 since then :)
Always liked the look of the morpheus coolers
Great videos and very informative. I recently put Kryonaut on my Vega 64 mostly because I was replacing the VRM thermal pad anyhow. I noticed random dips in the GPU temperatures about 4 degrees both when idle and when under load. I am kind of worried I made a mistake but it looks like your GPU temp graphs have the same thing. Every so often the GPU temp drops 4 degrees then returns back to where it was. Am I crazy?
Keep an eye on it would like to think the application will settle in after repeated heat cycles but if in doubt you can always reapply
It looks like your GPU temperatures do the same thing if you look closely. Both before and after changing thermal paste. You have that intermittent downward spike of about 3-4 degrees. Might just be the way the cards are.
I used Kryonaut on my blower reference card Vega64 recently, saw a significant thermal improvement, but most importantly for equivalent performance I can now run the card at ~800 fewer RPMs. Performance gains are nice, but in terms of "quality of life" this was the difference between a jet engine and a vacuum cleaner for fan noise.
Thermal Grizzly FTW
Kyronaut deteriorates fast if used over 60C. check back in 2 months and you will see the difference.
I Use MX 4, never touched MX2, I used AS5-Still viable.
Geil GC-Extreme, CM-Mastergel Maker, TG Kryonaut I've yet to use.
liked the look of the Geil stuff, Bryan over at TechYesCity had good results with that
How about the scratches ? Gpu and heatsink are still shiny ?
How size and
what is the thickness have the pad ?
will this work on radeon vii? as i have took my gpu apart and im using mx-2 atm what seems to be better than the thermal graphite
Steve over at GamersNexus did a good teardown of the Radeon VII so might be a good place to start but yeah when dealing with gpu and HBM the kryonaut seems to yield better thermals than MX2
100% prm ?
And what benchmark you use for test?
How are the benchmarks now with the new thermal pad and Kryonaut??
Paste is better!
@@0zelena6kriza4 thanks, I followed your instruction and did the same with my Strix Vega 64. I added the thermal pad and replaced the thermal paste. The temps have been much better.
@@stan_senior You have Gamers Nexus video abouth termal paste...
Interesting to hear if you used same fan speeds on both tests?
I did in these yeah. Tried to make it like for like and reduce the variables
Uncle Scrooge!!!
Hi its hard to find a 100x20x3mm thermal pad for the vrm and vrsoc.can i instead use a 80x20x3mm thermal pad instead?can i use instread two thermal pads instead if 80mm is to short?
the high grade grey ones from amazon. 2 of those will work. amazon just added some of those minus pads to stock. 5 left last i saw
I have applied these fixes vrmem 75C, vrsoc 85C. (thermal grizzly minus pad 8 120x20x3mm, undervolted, mx4) :/
Can I use liquid metal on this card? Its nickel plated copper isnt it?
The heatspreader i mean
You have a lucky card that mold GPU&HBM2 , My Asus RX vega 64 Strix has unmold HBM2 with GPU die and HBM2 still lower little than GPU die.
if there uneven will adding more paste help cooling ?
@@spunkimonkey90 No help bro
Hey, I’ve commented about a pc before but my friend as offered me an ROG laptop the G750j it is quite dated and do not know if I should offer he wants about 400 but I might offer 300 is it worth it?
All depends what graphics card it comes with if its in good nick with the GTX770M and an i7 its not too bad for 300
I only use Thermal Grizzly paste. Good video, dude.
I just got my paste and aplied it and it performs worse than stock! I don't understand what I am doing wrong because I even applied the paste twice.
What do you mean twice? On HBM GPUs put a lot of paste and tighten that cooler down
Removed and applied 2 times
Hey mate, could you share your undercolt config?
I had my strix vega64 for around 2 months before I had to RMA it for bad VRAM, Luckily I got it from OCuK so the RMA was fast, Feel like i just want to underclock it to stop some of the heat yet keep the performance.
ty
It's really going to be down to your specific card.
from memory, the highest two states are 1025mV and 1050mV, although that can be pushed down below 1V at the expense of peak clockspeed.
Using the Adrenalin 2019 drivers is great though as it allows you much more control of the fan speeds which can greatly help and as a tip for stability, I would use the fan controls to target the GPU hotspot temp as the level where your fan speed peaks. I.e I think I have my fans set to really kick in hard to cool the card aroound 65 degrees which is just under 80 degrees on the hotspot now.
Seems to keep things a little more stable.
but individual profiles will be down to how your card performs as a whole thermally. Like the video showed, there can be a big difference in temp delta between GPU core and HotSpot depending on the paste used... SO ill be tweaking the config again over the next few days....
Vega 64 is a game in itself! 😂😂
@@F7GOS It certainly is a game itself mate haha! Well I have only touched the fan curve to push the fans a little due to having rubbish default fan speeds.
Keep the job up! Glad to see someone so interested in the card as a lot of people disowned them for their crap fan design lol.
No liquid metal ?
I use mx-4 from arctic my be you can check it vs the two you have here
Is there anyway to do this without voiding warranty?
Speak to the company you bought the card from, some will still honour warranty of self maintained parts.
if there is no warranty sticker on the screws, or if you live in the US( FTC says those stickers are illegal, so if you reside in the USA just ignore the stickers), otherwise use a heat gun, or hairdryer to remove the warranty sticker, and after reassembly put it back.
@@F7GOS I'll try to do that, hopefully they can even fix the vrm problem for me, thank you for the reply!
@@paleinho sadly I'm outside of the US, I'll try speaking to the company first then if thay doesn't work the hair dryer method it is, thank you!
Go big or go home. :D i put on my GTX 1070 Ti CONDUCTONAUT LIQUID METAL, i dont know how much it really helped as the cooler on that is "reference" kind, maybe even weaker (MSI GTX 1070 Ti AERO 8G). That GPU got transfered to a secondary computer anyways, so not caring too much what happens to it. Im guessing like here the max temps dropped by few degrees and the time to cool down AFTER heavy workloads improved. But like said, the cooler is really weak on that one, this one on your VEGA is marvelous compared to it.
It is a very nice cooler once you sort out the iffy Stock VRM cooling on some of the models
Aberdeen accent?
Ps specs
I just open my case and set it in front of an air conditioner....I get amazing temps and overclocks.
😂 thats one way to tame a card right enough
you have a wee bit of a accent there. but its not too much of a bri
Nice clickbait
So I use both... kinda... I use MX-4 (not MX-2) on the cpu's I work on because I have a few computers all with 1150 boards and move things around sometimes testing things (mostly just for fun) and Kryonaut on the GPUs.