BMW S1000R S1000RR [2016] Cam Chain Rattle SOLVED ! INSTALL & ADJUSTING A MANUAL CAMCHAIN TENSIONER
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- Опубликовано: 12 авг 2021
- BMW S1000R / S1000RR In this video I guide you through the process of installing and adjusting a MANUAL camshaft chain tensioner. It solves that terrible start up rattle of a BMW S1000R / S1000RR.
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Excellent video. I can clearly see the joy you have while working on motorcycles. Thank you!
Thank you ... your attention to all the details - each one just as important as the next - is just excellent!
Great video and explanation! I appreciate your time to make great in depth videos. You’re a fantastic mechanic that takes attention to detail!! Thanks from Michigan
Hi Coconut... thanks for your very kind comment !! For guys like you I Iike to make these videos. Greets from The Old Mechanic, and ride save mate.
I have an s1000 xr 2015 I think it's pretty much the same engine amd i would like to know at what point i will have to change the chain inside, the bike has 46.500 km
Just a tought.....if you put stronger spring inside oem oil presured chain tensioner.....Would that solve the problem?Engines in cars have spring inside oil tensioner.
Amazing video and I loved how you played with the tension after you started the engine. Thank you!!
great video, great mechanic with great skills. More mechanic like you make the world a better place
Thanks Andreas 👍🤛🏍
I own a 2014 S1000R and I really appreciate your videos. You have greatly broadened my knowledge base on this motorcycle and given me a great deal of confidence when turning bolts on it. Thanks again and keep up the great work!!!
Do you have a lot of maintenance on that bike ?
@paoloc3318 not really, just oil changes and routine maintenance.
You have a very pleasant personality, really enjoyed the video. Thank you much for the help!
Thank you so much 👍🏻👊🏻
Great content from the SMART old mechanic most help full.
Thank for the upload Im looking hopefully the end of the year purchasing the S1000RR HP4 seeing this video is brilliant and making it so easy job to do. New sub here thanks again ride safe me old mucker
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Wow this is a perfect DIY video! I’ll be subscribing and watching form now on
Thanks 👍🏻👊🏻
Great explanation 👍🏼 thank you so much. Please more of these videos
Thank you! Will do!
How do you know how much to adjust it manually once it stops rattling? Great video thank you
I have a question? Can this be adjusted while the bike is running so you definitely know you fixed it? I only ask because I watched another video of my specific bike and the guy did it while it was running but he used an aftermarket manual cam tensioner after removing the oem automatic tensioner
Really good videos you have saved me £££ I have a gen 2 s1000RR and I enjoy working on my bike as much h as you. Thank you for your help 🙏
Great to hear! 👍🏻👍🏻🏍️
Awesome video mate 🏍🇦🇺👍🏻
Thanks Nuffy !
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Your videos are very helpful, simplified and attention to detail is spot on ... Keep up the good work... Love and best wishes from India :)
So nice of you 👊🏻👍🏻😉
Hello! I have question about s1000rr 2012 ,
Primary injector wiring mixed up ! How to know which contractor is 1st injector & which is 2nd…
Please guide me how to check thanks in advance
Great video 👍🏼
Thanks mate !
What is the theory in TDC? You adjust with motor running anyway with screw backed out?
Hi Old Mechanic, I did this and when I turned the crank (clock wise) the crank locked out and doesn’t move. Any ideas?
Can you please make a video to check valve clearance and valve timing?
not just a Mechanic but also a Doctor...;O)
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Dear friend, my mechanic while he is doing the same jop as you described so after removing the oem Tensioner he try to rotate the came as you did and during first turn he heard something so he stopped and he tells me that he doubts that a tooth jumped or something??!! However the bmw have timing chain top holder... Is this possible? Now he needs to open everything!
Do you have the link to buy the same tensioner? Greetings and excellent videos
good video.....one question and one comment........I didn't notice anything about the second O-ring is it supposed to be installed on the tensioner body? And I think that both nuts are inches, the small one is 11/16" and the large is 15/16" or .9375" which is 23.8mm . Again a really great informative video, thank you.
Very good video. I think we can use this solution for BMW cars, with timing chaing issues
I think you are right !
Hoi ik heb een probleem met de motor na dat ik de kettingspanner heb gemonteerd. Zou je mij kunnen helpen. Gr, Oktay
Do you know anything about the Kawasaki ZX9r's CCT? I just rebuilt the top end of my engine, refitted what I believe to be the original CCT, it was rattling more than before, and after a couple of revs the rattle got worse. I tried resetting it again, but didn't work, I guess it has failed after being removed and reset. I have a video on instagram if you have it, it would be nice to have a trusted second opinion although I'm pretty sure it can be nothing else.
Very good !
Thanks Carlos
I know an older post…. but is it safe to turn engine manually with tensioner removed? Some say tdc 1st?, Thankyou and hope you are well❤
super good videos from an expert mechanic...very informative for ppl like me.kindly post how to check TDC mark before dismantling the tensioner...
Did you ever get an answer to this question?
He's not finding TDC, he's adding tension to the cam chain / taking up slack. I wouldn't do this as you risk putting the timing out when you crank it without the CCT in
Hello The Old Mechanic! Very instrutive video thanks for that. Im wondering as in 06.2002 are we still buying the same after market tensioner you used or some better ones are out there now maybe?
2018 s1000rr
I know that there is an updated version 😉
Leuke videos! Onderhoud je ook motorfietsen voor anderen? En of reparatie
Is this gonna be same instalation with s1000xr 2018?
I like the lifting set up. do you think it's enough for lifting my bike to my house at second floor ? no joke, i have hard time falling asleep
Very good videos brother! I’m trying to do this on my s1000rr. Is the bike in neutral? Seems like a ridiculous question but I’m having a hell of a time finding the sweet spot where the rattle is gone and it seems too tight.
Yes in neutral 👍🏻
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I have that bike BMWS1000R for 5 000$ . 2015 and 24000 km ODO. Is it worth it ?
maker of this tensioner you make the old mechanic annoyed because of wrench sizing hehe.. nice video
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Mine usually stops sounding like a bunch of nuts and bolts have been thrown into the engine after about 5 seconds after first start up. Might get around to putting this mod in.
Hi quick question. Would the bike benefit from being put to TDC before removing old one and replacing with new. Or does it not matter
Doesn't matter 😉
Any chance you are able to help me out with my S1000rr ?
Hi master! I have a problem! Bmw Motorrad replaced the
camchain tensioner for warranty repair. Original OEM parts. Oil began to flow from under the new cap. He replaced the O-rings once more but the oil flow did not stop. The oil droplet appears after a distance of 100km and forms slowly. Can you help, what could be the problem?
Hi Gabo, what I would do is, unscrew that cap again, and then put a tiny smear of liquit gasket onto that cap. Problem solved forever.!
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Mine does this as well once it's sat a couple days. And it's a 2017 bike. Do you really need to turn the engine manually? As I've seen another video where they just do a quick swap then adjust it when the engine is running.
Hi, I want to be shure that the camshaft chain is at its maximum slack so I have a good 'feel' when I turn the adjuster bolt in, you know.
@@TheOldMechanic I'd be scared to drop a socket in the engine haha Thanks for the reply. Is there any danger of it being too loose or tight when you first put it in and start it? I would just make sure it was finger tight first obviously
@@TheeMisterspain Hi, I can understand your worries mate, but if you want absolute sure not to drop a socket into the engine use a deep-socket... uhhh socket 🤣. I am not sure when the camshaft chain is too loose that it can skip a (camshaft) tooth.. But I just don't want to take that chance, so I screw it in by hand until you feel that its it pushes against the cam chain guider. Then jusr screw it out a bit, start up the engine and do the final tweaking. Just take your time to do it, and follow the easy steps mate. You can do it yourself I am sure..!
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Hi, nice video. I have only warm startup rattling on my Suzuki GSXS 1000 GT 2023. My mechanic said that this is normal.I think that he not know how resolved the problem. What could be the problem for hot startup rattling? Kindly Regards from Slovenia
Check if your bike has an oil pressure cam chain adjuster, if it has change it for a manual one 😉👍🏻👊🏻
What are the chances of the chain jumping a tooth on the cam sprocket while turning it on the crank with the tensioner out?
@@PeakMotoHikersame happened to me tomorow am going to check if i damaged my engine or no.. 😢i wish i didn’t watch this video
Fantastic video just subscribed. Thinking of buying a s1000r 2016 what do you think of this bike for reliability and maintenance stay safe 🇬🇧👍
Did you buy it? How much does it cost in the UK ? 2016 year ?😊
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Hello, I have Cbr 600 rr 2003 and I have problem when sometimed when i pass over 5 6 k rpm i hear metal rattling. Is it CCT? Cause Im informed CCT rattling is there only when u let throttle, but for me rattling is there when Im giving gas and letting it.
Hi Matko, that could be a worn camshaft chain, or the camshaft chain tensioner thats not pressing enough at the camshaft chain guide rail.
Noticed u have on cbr600rr on left side engine black cover, where did u buy it?
Hi Matko, its my friends bike and he bought it like that.
where are you located?
Really bad metal canking sound now when its idle and worse with rev. Did something get ruined?? Is there a certain amount of tension i should start with? Bike sounds so bad im scared i destroyed it PLEASE HELP!!!
Hi have another look at my videos about the cam chain tensioner, and do each and every step. Don't skip in the video mate, as you might mis important info. 😉👊🏻👍🏻🏍
Hoi heb een probleem na het monteren van de spanner zou je mij kunnen helpen
Motor start niet meer maakt erg veel herry
Another good vid OM.
I believe BMW are now changing the black coloured version camshaft tensioner to a silver coloured version when the bike has exceeded a certain amount of mileage. Obviously a different design to the original.
Does it work? Who knows!
If it was my bike, I would go for the manual one. If the chain start to rattle again in the future, you have just to readjust it again. Greets from the old Mechanic.
Yes it works I changed mine from the black to the silver after 25,000kms.. done 50,000kms now no dramas
2015 S1000RR
Thank you from Japan. Thank you for the wonderful video. I have an abnormal camchain noise from 3000〜4000 rpm, will this solve it?
2015 S1000R
Hmm I am not sure.. as normaly the camchain tensioner, have full oilpressure..at that rpm
Thank you for your reply. Don't you understand😢, thank you very much.
Good morning,
I have the same distribution noise between 3 and 4k on a 2017.
Did you manage to solve the problem?
Hi,
I have the same noise between 3 to 4k on a 2017 S1000RR: do you find the solution to solve it ?
@@nicoput6558
Hello. The problem has improved. The dealer checked. The cause of the problem is that the cam chain was growing.
i have only the strange sound on the start and when engine is cold. After 5 seconds there is no chain rattle, also when the engine is warm there is no sound on the start. Is it also becuase of camchain tensioner?
Misma pregunta??
Great video. Where can I buy the manual chain tensioner ?
eBay/amazon
You could use a 17mm spanner not right but could, also bet the thread for the adjuster is imperial, I think it is an American thing.still keep up the good work we enjoy watching them.
You are turning the crank shaft. Why and how far?
Any feedback? Thank you!
hello, I watched your video and I did everything as it says in the video. and when i finished everything the bike won't start. when I start it, it starts to turn on, but it won't, as if something is choking it. I hope someone can help me. thanks🙏🏼
Hi Marko, thats very strange as nothing has happend to the starter or running circuit. So perhaps its still in gear..or sidestand out..emergency botton..?
@@TheOldMechanic I went to the mechanic, he says the cam chain is locked and he says he can't fix it
@@TheOldMechanic when I turned the cam shaft I heard a click as if the tooth had skipped, the master told me that the timing was locked and that's why I can't start
You cant turn the engine without tension on the cam chain, it is a big danger!!! I like you and your video tho :))
Do you recomend change it for the OEM again?
Hi Misael, if it was my bike I would install the manual tensioner.
Greetz from The Old Mechanic, ride save 👨🔧--->🏍
Thanks, another question.. when you remove it, the bike is in neutral or 1 or 2 gear.
Well i instaled, but after ride 150 miles i see a little bit oil around the cap, i clean it in still spill, is very very little. But isn't normal, i can't squezed more
@@misaelruiz7107 Hi Misael, I have that with the older one too. I got it out and putted a tiny bit of liquit gasket onto the part and that solved the leaking problem.
I've done it, we'll see how it goes. Thanks
I did the same with turning the cam shaft now the motor wont start, what did i do wrong? How to fix this?
You may have slipped the timing? Did you feel the crankshaft teeth skip/slip when you turned it?
I have the same problem
@@fishonnelson2353 I heard the click of the teeth when I turned
You did not explain how much should the cam tensioner be screwed in - how to know it is enough, and not too much.
Man what a long drawn out video I probably watched 5 min of the 25 minutes 😅🙄 great workshop though 😊
The final tensioner adjustment works out too 1/2 a turn out not the recommended 1 turn but I'm sure that'll work thanks for sharing
Happy Travels
Does anything leak out when removing the old tensioner bolt?
A bit oil 😉🏍
@@TheOldMechanic a little bit?
You don't have to readjust the crankshaft nut because now my bike won't turn over
I have the same problem
Mark is also correct
i wouldnt risk turning the crank over i spoke to a bmw mechanic and they said that step is risky and not needed to install the part
Hi if you do this like I showed its no risk. 😉👍🏻👊🏻
@@TheOldMechanic i enjoyed the video was detail but some of the comments under the video, people saying they jumped a tooth or their engine is locked, is it 100 percent necessary to turn the crank? In your opinion whats will be the negative if skipping the turning of the crank and proceeding with the install?
@@leomunoz2422 By now I did a few and never had that problem, BUT its all about rotate a bit and ultra slowly.. IF you do it with 'brute' force.. then the chain could skip a tooth.. Thats why I explained it with so much detail.
Same problem here. I turned the crankshaft with the tensioner removed as he shows in the video and now according to the tech at the shop where my bike currently is, the timing jumped a tooth. Not sure of damage and repair costs at this time. DO NOT DO THIS! Very unhappy.
I did the same according to your instructions but this motor always sound noisy and strange compared to Japanese 4cylinders.
yep, but my kawasaki ZZR1100 was the same rough idling engine. I think Yamaha (fazer) is the smoothest engine 😉
@@TheOldMechanic Yep exactly.
@@TheOldMechanic On the s1000 I hear some chain rattle during 5 to 6 thousand rpms after the manual chain tensioner . Yours the same ?
I have three comments / questions:
1 - don't turn the engine over without a CCT, if you must turn it over to tension the chain then do it before removing the OEM one
2 - surely that o-ring that was fished out from inside the case needs to go around the APE CCT to maintain regular oil flow? APE state on their website IMPORTANT: WHEN REPLACING ANY HYDRAULIC OEM TENSIONER WITH A MANUAL TENSIONER, IT IS IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE OIL PASSAGE THAT SUPPLIED THE OEM TENSIONER IS BLOCKED OFF. FAILURE TO DO SO COULD RESULT IN A LOW OIL PRESSURE SITUATION. Other similar aftermarket CCTs insist on using both gaskets, the inner one prevents oil supplied to the stock CCT from escaping past the tensioner into the case
3 - A 17mm spanner worked fine (if a little tight) on mine
you have to change the distribution chain, this operation is not the best solution to avoid noise because the sliders of the chain will be heated ... !
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spring loaded tensioner would always be more forgiving. a novice could over tightening the chain and mess the who job up.
Uguale a prima
guess i forgot to set it to TDC... an installation guide didn't warn me.
You don't need it to set the engine to TDC. 😉
@@TheOldMechanic thank god. (doesnt matter now because i found gold flakes in my oil LOL)
Am i able to rebuild the engine knowing nothing with proper documentation?
@@Sickling3
Can you please tell me what happened to your engine?
@@nikezimmer8935 it was totalled anyways because of a main bearing. flakes all over. it's getting a '13 swap
Don`t do like this old grandpa. Don`t spin crankshaft when you remove tensioner. If your chain is loose after you removing tensioner, you have big chance to loose timing when rotating crankshaft and chain will hop per sprocket teeth. If that will happen -your day will be ruined completely.
yep just happened to me, best bit i knew it was wrong but trust the old mechanic.....
...j'ai suivi à la lettre ce que le papy nous dit...s1000r 2015 moteur bloqué...heureusement que je n'ai pas démarrer la moto...maintenant la chaine est décaler...la facture vas piquer...pfff
Was still noisy 😢