Thank you very much for an honest and thorough review Joel! We value your opinion greatly, and we also enjoy watching you put the ZYYX to good use! Some feedback regarding the price: If you want to have all the latest technical features and/or have an interest in tweaking and tuning your 3D printer, the ZYYX is probably not for you. Instead we try to offer an attractive package for office and educational use. In all fairness we have had automatic build plate calibration, a closed chamber, fume filtering, removable build plate, filament monitoring, failed print monitoring, design for maintenance, support for flexible materials and an open filament system since 2014, and we still believe this constitutes a good technical offering for our type of customers. Our customers typically choose the ZYYX for the high print reliability and safe office/school use, as opposed to the price level or technical completeness. If anyone’s interested in learning more about the ZYYX+ or our new professional ZYYX pro carbon fiber 3D Printer, feel free to contact a local reseller of the ZYYX line or visit us at www.zyyx3dprinter.com/ Sorry for the hassle with the TPU-spools. We are continuously working with our supplier to improve the quality of our filaments. Regarding ABS performance, as you mentioned our build plate has great adhesion. The concept relies on the use of a raft when printing with ZYYX proABS and the supplied spatula to carefully pry off the print. This works well for most smaller ABS prints, but for really good ABS performance we nowadays recommend our ZYYX pro with heated chamber. Keep up the good work, and may the filament force be with you! /ZYYX
You mentioned that it uses the open source firmware sailfish, but no mention if they have released the source for their version. Is the hardware open sourced? It may be odd, but as an owner of a Lulzbot and a Prusa, open source hardware companies matter to me. If a company is releasing their products under an open source license, I am willing to spend a bit more money units just to support them.
Even if the bed holds on to ABS, you need to heat the ambient temperature to get ABS from cracking and shrinking as it cools -- the enclosed chamber is nice, but only if there was a heat source (simple way to get a heat source into a printer is a heated bed, too bad no one thought of that).... Direct drive extruder is nice, and if it had a heated bed -- I say -- great machine -- worth the price -- for that kind of money I shouldn't be expected to swap out the bed to come up with a heated bed alternative.
Joel, you mentioned the calibration cube and calibrating the machine. I need to calibrate my printer, however there is a lot of misinformation out there on how to do it. REQUEST: Can you produce a video on proper calibration? Or if there is already one out there somewhere, got the link? Thanks for being awesome! and HIGH FIVE!
I use the Zyyx since 2016 now and it is still printing very good. I prefer printing not tinkering on the printer. I also have an other printer with a heated build plate so I know both worlds. The Zyyx build plate is easy to use and immedialty ready again after a print. Also not to mention less power consumption… I also like the capability printing with rubber materials with the softer extruder spring.
you print alot of angular creations ,itd be nice to see how these reviewed printers also handle more organically shaped prints, such as figurines + Busts in future videos! awesome work as always Joel.
Have you noticed any sort of pattern in recent years when it comes to new printer releases? Do you see companies release new models always around the same time, or do you get a steady rate of printers to review year long? I'm curious because an updated best of video would be great, but wouldn't make sense if you had a bunch of new contenders coming right around the corner.
Well I give it points for having an enclosure and filtration...that's nice...but no auto bed leveling? It does seem a bit expensive when you consider other printers within that price (Lulzbot Taz6, Ultimaker 2+, etc).
Very diplomatic review. That price is crazy. Maybe you could plug a USB thumb drive into the TV behind you with a test pattern or logo or grey screen or something until you get proper video routed to it. The dark screen is drivin' me nuts!
Joel, a question & consideration for these reviews. When you purchase higher priced machines like this are you also getting better quality component? ie stepper motors, mother boards, etc. I see a lot of individuals buying cheaper machines(cr10) & having problems or having to upgrade stuff to get them to work. You know I personally went with a gMax to give myself the best starting experience in 3d printing(& no i know not everyone can afford a gMax, it took me a yr+ to save up to get mine), but I've got quality components & have had only a few glitches to deal with. Please comment thoughts. Thanks
Thanks for the review. Well done as always... I am going to side with the "way over priced" group on this one. At this price point I would expect a heated bed for sure and probably a mains power heated bed at that for quick and stable heating. This should also be equipped with linear rails not rods and a ball screw not a lead screw. The bed should also be supported in the front as well. Basically for 2k I want better print quality. This entails eliminating the mechanical shortcomings that introduce errors in the prints. These mechanics aren't any better than on my AM8's. On the feature set why is there no touch screen or built in WiFi? The specs also indicate only 1/16 micro stepping which is also sub par. (this makes my question the quality of the mainboard) For comparison I built a 300x300x300 HyperCube Evolution using 3030 extrusions, 4, 12mm rods to support the 1/4" thick ATP5 machined aluminum bed. (it's flat!) The bed also has a mains power silicone heater. For electronics it's running a Duet WiFi Board with a 7" color touch screen display. Going to argue that this is probably the best printer control board on the market... The total price for this build was $880. This was over the counter pricing. If you are a manufacturer you buy at wholesale and that number drops significantly. I understand that this may not be an option for people that do not want to build their own. So I am arguing for you! I don't want you to get over charged! With that said, this appears to be targeted at the education sector not the individual. Since institutions have a large budget they are able to increase their profit margin. Cheers, Greg
I'm mixed on this. I like that it's enclosed but I also like to have some heat somehow. A gaping slot for the umbilical would seem to negate the filtering. The finish on the Nitro box, among others, leaves a lot to be desired. There's some kind of banding that I suspect means a rough bearing somewhere. Sailfish is PITA to work with and I don't recommend it. I like S3D but it doesn't band-aid over the Sailfish. In no point in my 3d printing hobby experience did I find that I never needed to try another slicer. They all have quirks that meant me occasionally hopping onto another program to build the part efficiently, and needing to translate the file is a turn-off. It may be only one part in a hundred but still.
I'm a bit late to the party on this (relatively new to the scence, still catching up on Joel's videos). I'm also unimpressed with the Nitro Box. Joel calls it a "perfect print" but it's missing the top 10% or so of the model. Compare with the original model at: Crash Bandicoot Planters by FLOWALISTICK, www.thingiverse.com/thing:2358365
Too much for the features. The Prusa i3 MK2 can do all of that for less than half the price. Sure you don't get the enclosure or filtration system, but IKEA and some work. $50 later you have it
Well i have one and is very satisfied with it. it is my second printer (first was a reprap) and i like the start print and forget style. it is also prepared for upgrade with that mightyboard (motherboard) ready for dual extruder (not plug and play) and the extruder part is very easy to upgrade. Many of the component can be found on the Mbot3D. Zyyx has mostly upgrade it and there is 2 version of it (zyyx v1) zyyx+ and zyyx pro. v1 i do think is discontinued (it had a plastic extruder mount and y mount) to make room for the upgraded zyyx+ and next lvl pro series.
I'll stick with my Flashforge Dreamer at half the price, which can actually print ABS properly as it has a heated bed. ABS without heat in the chamber is just an exercise in futility.
ive sold mine because really hate the build plate. after a while i couldn't get the prints of and cracked the tpu top of the build plate even scraped of a bit in some places and got shit prints afterwards.
I use maskingtape on the classic buildplate when printing tpu. The masking tape then sticks on the model but I get it off the buildplate... I also have the flexible buildplate now, but not yet testet with tpu... I now have 10.000 Meters / 30 Kg filament through this printer 😆 Regarding the rising power kwh-costs in Germany, the non heated buildplates are more and more appreaceated.
Why do you not recommend Flashprint (Flashforge's slicer)? It export x3g and the print quality is amazing. For a printer like this why would you use anything else?
So for for the same price you could get two Prusa Mk3s - one with the multi filament mod. Unless you need that filtered enclosure this is not good value!
$2200 and no heated bed? No thanks. Regardless of how well something sticks to the bed you will still get warping to the point of layer separation. With an enclosure and a bed heated to 90c I have had large ABS prints warp enough to cause the layers to split.
No heat bed means "Safe", goto their website, every feature is described as "safe", they are a bunch of scared people. Kinda seems like they are targeting schools with the 'safe' and closed ecosystem(sw), and schools have budgets, in the usa big budgets for junk like this. Schools also have lawyers.
Wow! That is pricey Joel. Maybe it's not a question of CAN you afford it, more IF you would. Personally, I wouldn't, Prusa machines give a lot more bang for your buck IMHO. #Highfive
So I can only invest in one 3d printer would someone so kindly help me on the best decision to make., see i'm looking for the best high quality prints. its either between Afinia or MoonRay or Formlabs. i'm working on a 4 inch figure which will consist of 22 individual parts.
monoprice's maker select plus is a fantastic printer. it is my first printer and was super easy to set up and get running. on the price side its good too, only costing me around 400 usd. good luck finding a printer you like!
A non heated build platform that ABS stick too well to? Shut up and take my money. In all seriousness what type of magic surface does it have? As far as the price I don't get people that say this is an expensive printer? Compared to what? It has a similar (a bit larger) build volume to an Ultimaker 2+, both machines were released around the same time also. So compared to an UM2+ the ZYYX+ is 300 $ cheaper, it includes a license for a 150$ software (S3D) and has the enclosure included while for an UM2+ you would have to get a 185$ enclosure kit. So compared to an Ultimaker 2+ or a Makergear M3 this machine is a bargain. Now comparing it to a Prusa i3 MK2S or a Flashforge Creator Pro or a CR-10, yeah it is expensive, but I don't think that is an in depth and fair comparison. I do agree though, if you are not looking for features, build quality, support and a quiet printer, then sure there are a lot cheaper machines out there that print just as well.
Greg El just because it sticks does not mean the print will be successful. I have had abs prints crack and split with a heated bed and enclosure while still being firmly stuck to the build plate.
I would be willing to put money on my Prusa MK3 putting out higher quality prints for the $799 shipped to my house. Blah Blah no enclosure slightly smaller build surface... Well, I also have a CR-10 which I would be willing to put money on printing as well if I need a bigger print and I am still coming in at a lower price point by almost half including an enclosure. Now, if I am brand new to 3D Printing and 2k isn't an issue I agree there is merit to comparing it to the UM2+.
+Gary Carone Oh yes, I know and the ABS blend matters a lot and part cooling for details vs layer adhesion matters as well. I just have not heard of a surface material that requires zero heat to provide adhesion. Even coatings like magigoo, dimafix, printafix, 3Dlac etc or surfaces like buildtak provide adhesion when heated and you can remove the part after the surface has cooled down. This is the first surface I have heard of that works with ABS completely cold and that is why I asked about the material. +Eddie Moser I also agree with you and I would get the MK3 (assembled or kit) any time for the features+print quality to price ratio and just make a DIY enclosure, but still you get my point. Some printer manufacturers have not caught up with the Prusa and the cheap far east printers and still think they are competing with ultimaker, makerbot, lulzbot, zortrax and the "big names" that were big 3 years ago, so they price their machines to compete with those. Just take a look at the MatterHackers site, the prices they have for assembled machines and then at Joel's TAZ 6 review. Tell me why Joel highly recommended the TAZ 6 ("my finals thoughts are buy this, buy this machine") and did not screenshot the TAZ 6 price from MH site? Isn't the MK2S or MK3 a far better value compared to the TAZ 6? I am not interested in the ZYYX+, I have a modded Felix printer, making a custom one from scratch and I would recommend the Prusa MK3 to everyone looking for a 3D printer these days. However comparing the ZYYX+ review with the TAZ 6 review, I can see that Joel is biased and not very honest on this.
There sure are a lot of print issues for a $2000 machine. Sounds like the manuf needs to spend more time testing and adjusting each machine before being sent out. "if money is no object...", hehehe.
A Air Filter is cool, but everything else is what you can get on cheaper Machines. And if you're a new Millionaire you should go for a Ultimaker or other crazy Machines. ;)
Thank you very much for an honest and thorough review Joel! We value your opinion greatly, and we also enjoy watching you put the ZYYX to good use!
Some feedback regarding the price:
If you want to have all the latest technical features and/or have an interest in tweaking and tuning your 3D printer, the ZYYX is probably not for you. Instead we try to offer an attractive package for office and educational use.
In all fairness we have had automatic build plate calibration, a closed chamber, fume filtering, removable build plate, filament monitoring, failed print monitoring, design for maintenance, support for flexible materials and an open filament system since 2014, and we still believe this constitutes a good technical offering for our type of customers.
Our customers typically choose the ZYYX for the high print reliability and safe office/school use, as opposed to the price level or technical completeness.
If anyone’s interested in learning more about the ZYYX+ or our new professional ZYYX pro carbon fiber 3D Printer, feel free to contact a local reseller of the ZYYX line or visit us at www.zyyx3dprinter.com/
Sorry for the hassle with the TPU-spools. We are continuously working with our supplier to improve the quality of our filaments.
Regarding ABS performance, as you mentioned our build plate has great adhesion. The concept relies on the use of a raft when printing with ZYYX proABS and the supplied spatula to carefully pry off the print. This works well for most smaller ABS prints, but for really good ABS performance we nowadays recommend our ZYYX pro with heated chamber.
Keep up the good work, and may the filament force be with you!
/ZYYX
You mentioned that it uses the open source firmware sailfish, but no mention if they have released the source for their version. Is the hardware open sourced? It may be odd, but as an owner of a Lulzbot and a Prusa, open source hardware companies matter to me. If a company is releasing their products under an open source license, I am willing to spend a bit more money units just to support them.
Even if the bed holds on to ABS, you need to heat the ambient temperature to get ABS from cracking and shrinking as it cools -- the enclosed chamber is nice, but only if there was a heat source (simple way to get a heat source into a printer is a heated bed, too bad no one thought of that).... Direct drive extruder is nice, and if it had a heated bed -- I say -- great machine -- worth the price -- for that kind of money I shouldn't be expected to swap out the bed to come up with a heated bed alternative.
What a great video Joel, a very good overview of the features, excellent presentation. Awesome new table too!
#highfive
Cheers
Ben
2:33 did he say "Filanium Malcon"??? XD
Haha! Something like that! X¬D
That's the name of the model on thingiverse.
BAM! www.thingiverse.com/thing:919475
owned by San Holo i bet :P
San Holo + Linzes Prea = Big Love
As usual another great and honest review from Joel. Amazed to see ABS work on a non heated bed non the less. High five!
Joel, you mentioned the calibration cube and calibrating the machine. I need to calibrate my printer, however there is a lot of misinformation out there on how to do it.
REQUEST: Can you produce a video on proper calibration? Or if there is already one out there somewhere, got the link?
Thanks for being awesome! and HIGH FIVE!
I use the Zyyx since 2016 now and it is still printing very good. I prefer printing not tinkering on the printer. I also have an other printer with a heated build plate so I know both worlds. The Zyyx build plate is easy to use and immedialty ready again after a print. Also not to mention less power consumption… I also like the capability printing with rubber materials with the softer extruder spring.
I'd be quite curious to know more about their build surface, I wonder if they realise that's a market worth pursuing right now ?
you print alot of angular creations ,itd be nice to see how these reviewed printers also handle more organically shaped prints, such as figurines + Busts in future videos! awesome work as always Joel.
I want to get a 3d printer but I just have no idea where and how to do it. :(
Have you noticed any sort of pattern in recent years when it comes to new printer releases? Do you see companies release new models always around the same time, or do you get a steady rate of printers to review year long?
I'm curious because an updated best of video would be great, but wouldn't make sense if you had a bunch of new contenders coming right around the corner.
Well I give it points for having an enclosure and filtration...that's nice...but no auto bed leveling? It does seem a bit expensive when you consider other printers within that price (Lulzbot Taz6, Ultimaker 2+, etc).
Very diplomatic review. That price is crazy.
Maybe you could plug a USB thumb drive into the TV behind you with a test pattern or logo or grey screen or something until you get proper video routed to it. The dark screen is drivin' me nuts!
Joel, a question & consideration for these reviews. When you purchase higher priced machines like this are you also getting better quality component? ie stepper motors, mother boards, etc. I see a lot of individuals buying cheaper machines(cr10) & having problems or having to upgrade stuff to get them to work. You know I personally went with a gMax to give myself the best starting experience in 3d printing(& no i know not everyone can afford a gMax, it took me a yr+ to save up to get mine), but I've got quality components & have had only a few glitches to deal with. Please comment thoughts. Thanks
Cr10 out of box prints good quality prints
Wow, some of these machines are just so pricey lol. I'll stick with my prusa mk2s and soon to have mk3 lol. For now anyway lol.
Use the nitro box as the money container for fan mail Friday!
2k plus and no heated bed. When you said s3d was free I laughed. It's just added in the price.
I'm still stuck on the Tevo Tornado. Around 18-20% the cost and you get good quality and high build volume.
You should review the monoprice select mini
Thanks for the review. Well done as always... I am going to side with the "way over priced" group on this one. At this price point I would expect a heated bed for sure and probably a mains power heated bed at that for quick and stable heating. This should also be equipped with linear rails not rods and a ball screw not a lead screw. The bed should also be supported in the front as well. Basically for 2k I want better print quality. This entails eliminating the mechanical shortcomings that introduce errors in the prints. These mechanics aren't any better than on my AM8's. On the feature set why is there no touch screen or built in WiFi? The specs also indicate only 1/16 micro stepping which is also sub par. (this makes my question the quality of the mainboard) For comparison I built a 300x300x300 HyperCube Evolution using 3030 extrusions, 4, 12mm rods to support the 1/4" thick ATP5 machined aluminum bed. (it's flat!) The bed also has a mains power silicone heater. For electronics it's running a Duet WiFi Board with a 7" color touch screen display. Going to argue that this is probably the best printer control board on the market... The total price for this build was $880. This was over the counter pricing. If you are a manufacturer you buy at wholesale and that number drops significantly. I understand that this may not be an option for people that do not want to build their own. So I am arguing for you! I don't want you to get over charged! With that said, this appears to be targeted at the education sector not the individual. Since institutions have a large budget they are able to increase their profit margin.
Cheers,
Greg
2:34 'Fillenium Malcon' LOL!
Yup :) www.thingiverse.com/thing:919475
I'm mixed on this. I like that it's enclosed but I also like to have some heat somehow. A gaping slot for the umbilical would seem to negate the filtering. The finish on the Nitro box, among others, leaves a lot to be desired. There's some kind of banding that I suspect means a rough bearing somewhere.
Sailfish is PITA to work with and I don't recommend it. I like S3D but it doesn't band-aid over the Sailfish. In no point in my 3d printing hobby experience did I find that I never needed to try another slicer. They all have quirks that meant me occasionally hopping onto another program to build the part efficiently, and needing to translate the file is a turn-off. It may be only one part in a hundred but still.
I'm a bit late to the party on this (relatively new to the scence, still catching up on Joel's videos). I'm also unimpressed with the Nitro Box.
Joel calls it a "perfect print" but it's missing the top 10% or so of the model. Compare with the original model at: Crash Bandicoot Planters by FLOWALISTICK, www.thingiverse.com/thing:2358365
$2000 and no heated build plant? This is 2018 people...
Too much for the features. The Prusa i3 MK2 can do all of that for less than half the price. Sure you don't get the enclosure or filtration system, but IKEA and some work. $50 later you have it
Well i have one and is very satisfied with it. it is my second printer (first was a reprap) and i like the start print and forget style. it is also prepared for upgrade with that mightyboard (motherboard) ready for dual extruder (not plug and play) and the extruder part is very easy to upgrade.
Many of the component can be found on the Mbot3D.
Zyyx has mostly upgrade it and there is 2 version of it (zyyx v1) zyyx+ and zyyx pro. v1 i do think is discontinued (it had a plastic extruder mount and y mount) to make room for the upgraded zyyx+ and next lvl pro series.
Joel, Another great review! I agree it's not worth the money they are asking.
for us in Germany a noname printer way to high, only worth i would say 699,- USD
I'll stick with my Flashforge Dreamer at half the price, which can actually print ABS properly as it has a heated bed. ABS without heat in the chamber is just an exercise in futility.
ive sold mine because really hate the build plate. after a while i couldn't get the prints of and cracked the tpu top of the build plate even scraped of a bit in some places and got shit prints afterwards.
I use maskingtape on the classic buildplate when printing tpu. The masking tape then sticks on the model but I get it off the buildplate... I also have the flexible buildplate now, but not yet testet with tpu... I now have 10.000 Meters / 30 Kg filament through this printer 😆 Regarding the rising power kwh-costs in Germany, the non heated buildplates are more and more appreaceated.
Hey Joel I would like to see a review on the Polymide CoPa filament (that is supposedly no warping filament)
cura also works with x3g plugin i'm using cura with my replicator clone and it works great
Good review. If you had mentioned the price at beginning I'd have switched off 🙄
2200 and no heated build plate. No thanks, ill pass.
Thanks for the honest review
Dang that's slick. Great video!
Why do you not recommend Flashprint (Flashforge's slicer)? It export x3g and the print quality is amazing. For a printer like this why would you use anything else?
I haven't used it in a VERY, VERY LONG TIME. I'll try to get that on the list! For this printer, they specifically call out using Simplify3D.
So for for the same price you could get two Prusa Mk3s - one with the multi filament mod. Unless you need that filtered enclosure this is not good value!
Just wonder why would they add enclosed chamber to it if dose not have heated bed.
Price is definitely an issue here,
Unless build volume was bigger.
even without a heated bed, drafts are a problem for abs
Can you make new video where you will recommend 3d printers under 300 bucks.. 400 bucks.. 200 bucks? DYI and completed ones? Thanks
I was a little disappointed you didnt talk about what the filter does on this printer.
+Altima NEO To be fair, I talked about everything the filter does on this printer, which I don't believe is much at all.
Hah! Well thanks for the update! Seems like just a lot of guff for a lot of money. Guess Prusa is still hard to beat!
Hey joel! Just wondering if Banggood is trusted? Been waiting on a response figured you would know😀
+A-Money Videos I haven't had issues with then, but I know others have. I wish I could be more help, I'm sorry.
That's fine...I figured you may know that's all...also what would you recommend as a beginner printer...I was thinking Creality CR-10?
No, even with money not being an issue, that's an awful lot of issues for a $2k+ machine. =\
Excellent review.
+Zaheer Ahmed Monye thank you! I very much appreciate the kind words!
Sounds like a small version of the CubePro - mine is garbage, hope this is better.
I would like to hear your opinion about Creatbot DX. Nobody has done a review that has any meaning. Not that I have seen anyway😉
I'm planning on getting my first 3d printer, what is your current sub$500ish recommendation for a first printer?
Brian Leach the CR-10 or CR-10s is usually the go-to sub $500 printer!
Brian Leach Monoprice maker select v2 for $300
How would you compare this to the Qidi X Pro?
Great video Joel - but way above my pay grade. #Highfive!
$2200 and no heated bed? No thanks. Regardless of how well something sticks to the bed you will still get warping to the point of layer separation. With an enclosure and a bed heated to 90c I have had large ABS prints warp enough to cause the layers to split.
Do you know if the axiom 20 has a heated chamber
Can you do a review on the monoprice maker select v2
Joel a great honest review, thank you sir. Clearly similar or better printers for far less money........have a fabulous weekend. High five
Yeah very honest review compared to the TAZ 6 review... oh wait...
Love the Shirt!
Thank you!
Does it have WiFi, inside Camera? No heated bed, small surface build area... 2K$...Way too expensive for what you get..
No heat bed means "Safe", goto their website, every feature is described as "safe", they are a bunch of scared people. Kinda seems like they are targeting schools with the 'safe' and closed ecosystem(sw), and schools have budgets, in the usa big budgets for junk like this. Schools also have lawyers.
For that money a nice SLA will do....
Oh, no. No Fan Mail Friday?
Not this Friday, but there were FIVE videos for that last week. It'll all even out :)
Very good. You had us worried. You work entirely too hard.
For me, 2,200 for it's features is WAY too much.
Unfortunately, although I'm a fool, I can't afford a machine like this. :¬(
Would you recommend anet a6
I dont belive it's worth it as it's not any better than a 3 year old machine but still costs this much
omg i love your shirt!
haha Thank you!
Wow! That is pricey Joel. Maybe it's not a question of CAN you afford it, more IF you would. Personally, I wouldn't, Prusa machines give a lot more bang for your buck IMHO.
#Highfive
Pass, thankfully one printer is enough. Liked what you said, wouldnt tell some one to get it tho.
So I can only invest in one 3d printer would someone so kindly help me on the best decision to make., see i'm looking for the best high quality prints. its either between Afinia or MoonRay or Formlabs. i'm working on a 4 inch figure which will consist of 22 individual parts.
monoprice's maker select plus is a fantastic printer. it is my first printer and was super easy to set up and get running. on the price side its good too, only costing me around 400 usd. good luck finding a printer you like!
High Five!
A non heated build platform that ABS stick too well to? Shut up and take my money. In all seriousness what type of magic surface does it have? As far as the price I don't get people that say this is an expensive printer? Compared to what? It has a similar (a bit larger) build volume to an Ultimaker 2+, both machines were released around the same time also. So compared to an UM2+ the ZYYX+ is 300 $ cheaper, it includes a license for a 150$ software (S3D) and has the enclosure included while for an UM2+ you would have to get a 185$ enclosure kit. So compared to an Ultimaker 2+ or a Makergear M3 this machine is a bargain. Now comparing it to a Prusa i3 MK2S or a Flashforge Creator Pro or a CR-10, yeah it is expensive, but I don't think that is an in depth and fair comparison. I do agree though, if you are not looking for features, build quality, support and a quiet printer, then sure there are a lot cheaper machines out there that print just as well.
Greg El just because it sticks does not mean the print will be successful. I have had abs prints crack and split with a heated bed and enclosure while still being firmly stuck to the build plate.
I would be willing to put money on my Prusa MK3 putting out higher quality prints for the $799 shipped to my house. Blah Blah no enclosure slightly smaller build surface... Well, I also have a CR-10 which I would be willing to put money on printing as well if I need a bigger print and I am still coming in at a lower price point by almost half including an enclosure. Now, if I am brand new to 3D Printing and 2k isn't an issue I agree there is merit to comparing it to the UM2+.
+Gary Carone Oh yes, I know and the ABS blend matters a lot and part cooling for details vs layer adhesion matters as well. I just have not heard of a surface material that requires zero heat to provide adhesion. Even coatings like magigoo, dimafix, printafix, 3Dlac etc or surfaces like buildtak provide adhesion when heated and you can remove the part after the surface has cooled down. This is the first surface I have heard of that works with ABS completely cold and that is why I asked about the material.
+Eddie Moser I also agree with you and I would get the MK3 (assembled or kit) any time for the features+print quality to price ratio and just make a DIY enclosure, but still you get my point. Some printer manufacturers have not caught up with the Prusa and the cheap far east printers and still think they are competing with ultimaker, makerbot, lulzbot, zortrax and the "big names" that were big 3 years ago, so they price their machines to compete with those. Just take a look at the MatterHackers site, the prices they have for assembled machines and then at Joel's TAZ 6 review. Tell me why Joel highly recommended the TAZ 6 ("my finals thoughts are buy this, buy this machine") and did not screenshot the TAZ 6 price from MH site? Isn't the MK2S or MK3 a far better value compared to the TAZ 6? I am not interested in the ZYYX+, I have a modded Felix printer, making a custom one from scratch and I would recommend the Prusa MK3 to everyone looking for a 3D printer these days. However comparing the ZYYX+ review with the TAZ 6 review, I can see that Joel is biased and not very honest on this.
About the same price as a Ultra Maker and no were near as good.
Keeping magic contained inside a box isn't cheap you know...
When I can build five printers for that price - this printer is for designers not makers!
Is gearbest safe and trusted
Some think so, some do not.
3D Printing Nerd thanks
What would be the best printer under 1k
Glenwood Hobbs I wold recommend the creality cr-10
Tom Riddell ok thank you
Glenwood Hobbs go for the cr-10s they fixed alot of problems the older cr-10 had
How you doing joel
It is worth the price, but it is out of my price range as well.
There sure are a lot of print issues for a $2000 machine. Sounds like the manuf needs to spend more time testing and adjusting each machine before being sent out.
"if money is no object...", hehehe.
A Air Filter is cool, but everything else is what you can get on cheaper Machines.
And if you're a new Millionaire you should go for a Ultimaker or other crazy Machines. ;)
$2000 I would almost rather make my own 3d printer.
Cool vid
no way this justifies such a price. you can get same or better printers for less.
For that price range a ultimaker might make more sense.
You look like tired today!
Keep the good job, but take some rest.
Fillenium Malcon 😁
They are trying to make a quick buck
Way too pricey Rudolph.
The print quality is very low
2,100 🤔😂