Renner Cabinet Paint vs Sherwin Williams Gallery Series: A Honest, Real Review
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- Опубликовано: 21 фев 2024
- Renner 851 2k vs. Sherwin-Williams Gallery Series 2k for Professionals:
The right cabinet paint is a tough decision for painting professionals. Performance, durability, and client satisfaction as well production. Today, we're focusing on Renner 851 and Sherwin-Williams Gallery Series.
Let's look at their strengths and areas for improvement, particularly in high-demand environments like kitchens and bathrooms.
Key Considerations for Cabinet Paint
True cabinet painters know that the best cabinet paint must have excellent adhesion, durability, and chemical resistance.
Durability: Renner's Advantage
Renner cabinet paint is known for its exceptional durability. Its primer and paint system creates a strong bond with the surface, offering high resistance to peeling and chipping. This makes it a go-to choice for high wear high impact areas.
Chemical Resistance: Sherwin-Williams Gallery Series Stands Out
The Sherwin-Williams Gallery Series takes the lead with its chemical resistance. This is crucial for laundry room and bathroom cabinets that frequently come into contact with various substances. It ensures that the cabinets remain easy to clean and maintain, retaining their beauty over time.
Impact Resistance: Both Brands Perform Well
Impact resistance is important for cabinets in busy kitchens. Both Renner and Sherwin-Williams products perform well in this area, protecting against everyday wear and tear.
Potential for Improvement
While the Sherwin-Williams Gallery Series excels in chemical resistance, it could improve its durability to match Renner's performance. A dedicated primer from Sherwin-Williams could be the key to enhancing this aspect. A primer specifically formulated to work with the Gallery Series could provide a stronger bond, improving overall durability and making it an even stronger contender
Renner needs to find a way to increase the chemical resistance. Because Sherwin WIlliams will figure out the primer for Gallery Series and when it does it’s going to be a very hard paint to beat.
Choosing the Right Paint for Your Project
Choosing between Renner and Sherwin-Williams will depend on the specific needs of your project and your clients' needs. The environment the cabinets will be in, and your system you are using to install the paint will play a factor in which is the better paint for you. A big one to consider is accessibility. Not many places sell Renner. Sherwin Williams is everywhere. Definitely something to consider when building out our cabinet painting system.
Final Thoughts
This is a tough one. Chemical resistance vs Bond strength. I guess it really depends on what your client needs and what works best in your system to provide your clients with the best finish and longest lasting cabinet paint.
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Great info. Many thanks for doing this test and sharing your vast knowledge and experience.
Your too kind! Thank you! But there is still so much that i don't know and trying to learn
Be interested to see how much a difference SW results would have been as a 1k and shot raw to wood. Seems the chemical bond to the primer was the failure point in the test.
Me too! board is already shot and going to give it a month just to make sure its fully cured. Stay tuned. As for the primer, yes. That was the systems weak point. I am wondering how Gallery would do ontop of Renners 643 primer? High build, quick drying easy sanding. Maybe the ticket
Awesome video 🙌🏼 Have you guys done any testing without the crosslinker? I shot gallery series on some kitchen cabinets last week. It was the third time using it and The more I use it, the more I like it. this video has really answered a lot of my questions. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks so much for saying that! Unfortunately we have not done any testing without the crosslinker yet
Thank you for doing this
Of course! Really enjoying it!
It would be interesting to see in a refinish scenario clear 2k isolante shot as the primer and then crosslinked gallery series and how it holds up.
hmmm.... That would be interesting. Could be the ticket!
thank you for the info my man
Good information. I'd like to see an abrasion test of some kind on the same 2 products and also including the 1k Gallery
Great suggestion!
Thank you. Is that crosslinker available at the Sherwin Williams. Can you do a test with crosslinker and without. Thank you. Makes it much easier to use what’s available in the store and not ordering, specially for painters who don’t have a spray shop.
They do sell it at SW. However alot of the stores are unaware that it exists. But they will call their rep. find out what it is and get it to you. 1 bottle will last a bunch of jobs so its not something you are going to need to buy for every job. Its just a 1% mix ratio
I actually brushed Renner (forget which series) onto kitchen cabinets that were needing a refresh. The old was carefully sanded, and brushing was done carefully, and it leveled pretty well and turned out ok for my needs. Did it look sprayed? No. Did it look amateurish, no. The finish is on the soft end of semi-gloss anyway, so not being perfectly glass smooth isn't a drawback for my purposes. But you'd need a magnifying glass to see any roping.
I'm not advocating people do this, but I was curious about the paint, and prepared to "fix" it if it needed.
We have done some touch up's with Renner brushing and it does great. Thats awesome you where able to do a whole set with it. I think that would drive me crazy! LOL
So I don't know if I heard that part wrong but did you say extreme bond primer under the gallery? I was told extreme block. And actually a couple months later that a different primer might work better. Still a sw primer but I can't remember the name. He said it's faster drying, easier sanding and lays smoother. I'll try to get the name again
extreme block is also on the data sheet along side extreme bond. We are testing some other primers as well
I spoke to my Sherwin Williams rep today. He is unaware of the cross Linker for gallery series. Could you tell me what product you used for the gallery series? And also what ratio?
Most of them are unaware. Its labeled Sayerlack waterborne Crosslinker. Model # XA4081000. 1% on the crosslinker. Not much at all
@@caldwellpainting You are the best! Found it on their industrial products site. Requesting a quart from my local store.
Great info here, thank you. My 2 main issues as a pro cab finisher are (with regards to these waterborne systems) stain blocking and spraying over caulking. I do an equal amount of new and refinishing, so caulking is not something that can be avoided. The EVO product did not work for me a couple years ago, the Gallery Series has been mostly successful so far, but I use Shelac undercoater as I don’t trust ANY water based primer. My buddy is the local Ben Moore dealer and he met with a Renner rep recently and I am hoping he will bring it in. I have seen way too many failed claims about water based primers and their stain blocking ability. 90% of the time isn’t good enough! Gemini Evo rep swore primer w/hardener would hold out tannin. Not. (Plus with hardener smell was equal to Shelac/solvents, so why bother. Love to hear your thoughts
Great question! Alright first if you are having tannin bleed through check out General finishes Stain Blocker (White Primer) Best waterbased stain blocker in the biz. Smells like fish though. We only use it on really dark tannin rich wood like cherry that's already been stained. Then as far as caulking goes, when we absolutely have to caulk we use Loctite Power Grab Heavy duty Works like an adhesive and have never had a callback about cracking paint. When using it make sure to keep a bowl of water next you. Makes it much easier to apply. Very sticky stuff . Its in a red and blue tube.
@@caldwellpainting wow, thank you so much for the quick response. I can see your experience and professionalism in this comparison video (this is my first exposure to your channel) and will check out GF stain blocker,primer, however, that is the lesser of my 2 issues. We use a negative air flow system when working in a customer’s kitchen so odor is a minor issue when choosing a stain blocking primer. The real culprit is the caulking issue. These new water based finishes (Renner, Milesi, Gallery) dry so hard and tight (which we want) that they tend to crack over the more flexible caulking, as you know. We are well accustomed to caulking corner scribe, crown molding, base shoe etc….and try to avoid floating panels if at all possible…. But sometimes (maybe even many times?) It’s unavoidable. will try your recommended caulking brand. I assume it’s a lesser quality and thus doesn’t have the flexibility of a higher grade caulking. And yes, we use quality cotton rags and plenty of clean, hot water when caulking. Thank you for sharing you professionalism. It’s a huge benefit to be able to collaborate and learn from one another.
Not so much its a lesser quality, its just more of an adhesive with very little stretch disguised as a caulk. LOL hope that makes sense
I just sprayed Gallery on a preprimed fiberglass entry door, and while it came out really well, it took a really long time to dry. It was, however, around 50 degrees, but at the same time I brushed some SW Emerald Urethane on some trim that dried faster than the Gallery. Do you think this was because of the cold, or that it was used on fiberglass? Sounds like a stupid question, but they say Gallery is reccomended for wood. Thanks for the comparison.
Thats good to know. Haven't personally used it on fiberglass so I don't know what to tell you. I have found that on cabinets it seems to dry quick, or at least quick enough for us. Could be a temp. issue slowing down the dry time.
My understanding is SW urethane is an interior/exterior paint. Gallery is only interior. Interior usually needs 70 degrees temp
Most paints take longer to dry on fiberglass even Emerald Urethane
SW data sheet says "Apply at temperatures above 55°F."
SW Emerald dries fairly fast , 30 minutes usually for me (to the touch) and with the caveat NOT IN HIGH HUMIDITY ..... Emerald no likey humidity ..... 50 degrees is fine , not that big a deal , humidty is a big deal ..... Just painted a door today in high humidity , crap took forever to dry , a good hour and some change and still a wee bit tacky feeling ....... I bet it was two hours before I put the doorknob back on , and even then I put it on loosely , will tighten it up tomorrow ..... I think it was 70 or 80% humidity today
thanks for video! i talked to my sales rep and he says i can purchase this crosslinker through their store. he also said to mix 50/50 with deionised water then add up to 1% of this mixture to my paint. i would also love to here how you guys put crosslinker in. thanks
50/50 water? We just add water as needed. probably no more that 10%. Temp in your shop, tip size. We add water and cross-linker on a gram scale
I think he means mix the crosslinker with half water right?
Ah. We add cross linker and water separately. Not for any reason just how we do it. So if we have 200g of paint we will add 2g of cross linker
Yeah I can't say I've ever added water to crosslknker either. Maybe it's done so it mixes in a little easier, especially for people who aren't planning to dilute with water. Just a wild guess
What gun and tip size was this sprayed with. Sherwin recommend 1.4-1.8 compressor style.
Both where shot with a 1.6
Have you tried the evo eclipse? How does it compare to gallery?
played with the EVO last year didn't love it at first glance. However shooting a sample and giving it a fair review should probably on my list of things to do
I just got done using both products. Gallery on first project and I liked it but I did a test with 409 and it stained the paint and actually soften it. I tried Renner 765 for the first time and liked it. Did the same test and it held up a lot better. I may try the Gallery series again with the crosslinker. I would prefer Gallery since I can get same day and not have to deal with shipping.
Yeah try it with the cross-linker and let us know what you think. I like the idea of testing with 409!
@@caldwellpainting I'm fixing to spray my first job with Gallery with the crosslinker. My understanding is the crosslinker needs to be diluted with deionized water 50/50 mix. Is that correct?
Please test 1k gallery series
got it in the works
I think it’s reasonable to assume that Renner or any true 1k-2k product will perform better than gallery, but gallery is a good attempt at an all around 1k product that doesn’t necessarily need primer. Centurion, Renner, milesi etc all have enough resistance to chemicals but what they all don’t have is ease of use which can lead to a lower labor cost for you and your clients. Great video! Subscribed.
Thanks for the feedback and for subscribing!
What is the pot life on the Gallery with the crosslinker?
We only mix at most 18oz at a time and have never come close. Maybe 2 hours? But not 100% sure. That's always a concern if your going pressure pot and doing a gallon at a time. If we are "mixing up" alot we are probably shooting 1K on trim work using a pressure pot system.
5421w primer from sw or sw mlc arroyo tannin blocking primer with gallery can you try that next time? 🙏🙏
The one we are experimenting with right now is GF Stain blocker. Smells like fish but blocks like crazy. Haven't found a better stain blocker yet
This is the one I was recommended at Sherwin to go with gallery. That or extreme block
Does anyone know where you can buy the sayerlak crosslinker?
Local SW. Just ask your rep. He may not know about it but get him to ask around and it will soon be in your hands
@@caldwellpainting thanks!
Hi What crosslinker did you use?
Sayerlack XA4081000
@@caldwellpainting thank you. I'm new to painting
Cost wise, what’s the difference?
Renner is around 30-40 dollars more
do you know the cross linker item number? my rep can't find it. thank you.
Its labeled Sayerlack waterborne Crosslinker. Model # XA4081000.
thank you@@caldwellpainting
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Curious how SW Gallery + Crosslinker compares to Ben Moore Advance
Not a fair comparison. Gallery with crosslinker is a completely level of product. I would put Advance as a DIY / painter on a budget category. IMO Advance is a great trim paint but should not be used on cabinets
@@caldwellpainting Interesting! You are the first person to rank them like that. Appreciate it.
Sounds like I should keep an HVLP for spraying Gallery and an air assisted airless for the Advance to do trim and furniture, maybe interior walls.
Sorry but E64w522 Sherwood Gen II primer is what should be used for primer.
No need to apologize. Everyone has the right to be wrong. I agree that's a great primer. However I think It's important for a test like this to go by the companies recommended system. If going off the recommended system I would go General finishes stain block primer or Renner's 643 primer. Those paired with the Gallery series is a winner for sure.
@caldwellpainting I don't disagree with those being great primers. I prefer the quick dry and sanding of Gen II plus it's clear tint base for darker colors. Tannin blocking I use Kem Aqua Primer Surfacer with good success. However, I won't disagree the products you listed are certainly fantastic options.
Renner is not readily available!
If you get mail, it’s available.
That's true! You can purchase it from MKSales online
Where do you live? Easter island?
That renner was eighter sprayed right before the video or wasnt catalyzed, just did the same test and nothing came up in 10 seconds. probably paid by sherwin williams.
Sorry man.The Renner was sprayed probably 6 months before the video and catalyzed. Would love to see a video of your result. I was shocked too. Wish I was payed by SW, but i'm sure they are disappointed about the bonding to the primer issue. Not sure what your looking for here
Nah he's spraying with a 1.4mm aircap in an hvlp gun hes cutting this with water and his coats are thin. Also 851 isnt a true 2k so i imagine hes not using full 10% of catalyst.