You didn't even mention that Tony was still under the effects from Axis so his morality was flipped at the time of superior Iron Man. You just made it seem like he became evil for no reason
Thank you for the clarification. I'm quite a bit behind on my comic reading so with no context, all of the Superior Iron Man stuff makes him seem flat out evil. Makes me wonder why Marvel seems to use the word Superior for villainous versions of their characters. Superior Spider-Man and now Superior Iron Man? I'm surprised they don't refer to Hydra double agent Captain America as Superior Captain America.
Moostached Saiyan Prince he's Superior Spider-Man because that was literally what Ock set out to become. He saw Peter's life as a series of errors and wasted potential that he set out to correct. Plus, Ock wasn't totally wrong. There were tons of things that made no sense in Peter's life with his level of intellect and skill, and so Ock set out to make some changes. And some of them were utterly right changes, others obvious moral failing on Ock's part. All in all it was a character study of Spidey's life and thus Superior is both literal and ironic in that Ock himself doesn't see his own just as obvious flaws while obsessing over Pete's that aren't even always actual flaws. Superior Ironman one assumes was the same idea, only this time with Tony's axis self whom is also looking at Tony's flaws and looking to correct them, only this time with even less morality than Ock could ever hope to match, what with him being Tony's almost literal darkside.
He also wasn't supposed to end up on Sakaar in the first place. Hulk freaking out and tearing a hole in his ship is what sent it off course. The Illuminati were trying to send Hulk to a planet where he could be Hulk without worrying about hurting other people.
FoxyAlphaRogerTango And in a what-if story where he landed on the planet they planned for him, he became the contented immortal mythical guardian for a race of lizard-like beings he'd guarded since before they evolved sapience and culture.
Just wanna point out you conveniently forgot to mention that Rhodey, Tony's best friend, died on that mission to stop Thanos, which Captain Marvel hid from him until afterward, which is why he lashed out. Ulysses was also in college when this happened, not a child. Still messed up to kidnap him and experiment on him, especially since Ulysses admitted he would have agreed to it if asked, but he was emotional. Not sure i'd consider it one of the worst things he's ever done, though.
Being emotional doesn't excuse committing heinous crimes. (Well it shouldn't.) Kidnapping people and experimenting on them is a war crime. And a felony.
I didn't say it excused anything, I literally said it was still messed up for him to do any of it. But they made it sound like he did it for no real reason.
He really did it for no real reason. He captured and tested on an individual who helped them win against Thanos because he "might" use his powers for the wrong. And apart from Tony very few heroes actually manipulate others to get their own goal. So it is not only wrong but hypocritical for Tony to give any reasons.
@@trullsengar2784 Unless you didn't notice those powers were just probability and held no evidence which visions could end up true or false, not to mention that nearly after Rhodey dies Barton also killed Bruce cause the kid had a vision of The Hulk going rampid. That kid with one wrong vision could have lead to heroes starting to kill each other out of fear just cause there was a chance down to a like an unmesurable small percentage that any of it could happen, given the fact that there are infinent universes and so infinent outcomes. So in short I don't blame him one bit, it's the fanatical idiots that believed the kid like Captain Marvel that were arrogant and fully in the wrong.
@Anjaney Asreet Rout There’s a difference between making critical argument and just blindly defending a characters wrongdoings because he’s your favorite
"It's actually a gold titanium composite" he said this in the first movie when he read iron man on the newspaper. Both of those metal are non magnetic.
Honestly magnetism is very limited because not all metals can be magnetized and iron man has suits made of ceramic polymer. Not to say magneto isn't a threat still but tony stark has manipulated people's powers before in order to defeat them
Was the video uploaded without the ending? They didn’t even explain why Tony did any of the Superior Iron-Man stuff and there wasn’t even a RUclips call to action at the end.
His brain was turned evil after a world ending event causing all bad to be good and vice versa. But when Tony was made evil he made a devise to block out being good again. Check out ComicsExplained. He explains it better.
Iron Man got his mind twisted after the Axis event( I didn t read that one). The superior Ironman story ended after 8 issues leaving many things unsolved. This story was eliminated from continuity after Secret Wars (2015). After that Iron Man reappered behaving normally and the evnts of Superior Iron Man were not mentioned.
@@TheVetoSkreeemer Ah, but it wasn't eliminated. Havok remained under its effects. Sabretooth did as well, but he was reverting slowly, probably due to his nature. Wolverine is highly resistant was mental manipulation as well. So it still happened and Tony was still the reason Havok and Creed remained inverted...so why was he back to normal?
I remembered that classic Bob Layton drawing of Tony Stark still in his armor sitting at his desk at his lowest level as an alcoholic. The best part of that story was when he went off on the Avengers butler Jarvis on insulting him and his duties. After Jarvis submitted his resignation and no longer wanting to work for him, Tony then realized how low he had gotten. Those classic Iron Man stories back in the day were definitely templates towards the MCU Iron Man we have enjoyed on the screen. Robert Downey Jr. was tailor made to play Tony Stark.
Because he values all human life and he never wants to take the easiest way out of a situation. Iron Man has a code of ethic, just like Batman. The difference is that he did kill in the comics, but, unlike what was shown in the movies, he shows regret for killing. Here is the first time he killed a villain: readcomiconline.to/Comic/Iron-Man-1968/Issue-46?id=19601#22
EgocentricHead i never understood that mentality. You aren’t killing one normal person to save a thousand. You are killing one evil sociopath to save a thousand. The incentive is defo there to kill. If the heroes turn in the villains then the Government or shield should definitely execute. But they don’t. So villains keep escaping. And killing. That isn’t justice. That’s stupidity.
Lucky Jones, yes, it would be easy to just write those people off and say "the world is better without them", but then you gotta ask yourself if it's your call to make, and if you are willing to take that responsibility. It's a question that each person has a different answer for. You, if you were in that position, would probably be fine with it. Someone else wouldn't. Marvel comics have those opposing views. On one hand, you have characters like Spider-Man, who don't want to be executioners and would rather just beat up the bad guys and allow them go to jail. Then you have someone like the Punisher and Moon Knight, who are willing to take a life without a second hesitation. Iron Man of the comics falls somewhere in the middle. He will take a life if there would be no other choice, but he will try everything that he can to find other solutions. That's why he never killed the Mandarin, his greatest arch-enemy. The Mandarin died plenty of times in the comics, but was never killed by Iron Man. Iron Man refused to kill him because he knows that it's what will make him no better than him, and that would be the last thing he'll want to be. He said it himself: the Mandarin is everything that he despises, and he never will allow himself to be like him. Iron Man doesn't fight fire with fire.
Just saying. If he did kill the mandarin. He wouldn’t be “the same as him” he would be saving a lot of people’s lives, and himself a lot of trouble. The punisher is smart. Iron man is also, of course, smart. But if he can’t pull the trigger. Then, like I said before, shield or the government should. The US government in the real world executes people for far lesser offenses. These aren’t just people, they are freaking SUPERVILLAINS!
I must stand in defense of Tony here. I always hear people say that in Civil War, he was in favor of the registration act, but in fact he wasn't. But he was one of the view who forsaw what could happen if they didn't sign. As he explicitely said; if we do not sign, the next time there are innocent victims, we will be forced. And we have too much power not to be held accountable. We need to be on a leash. So to call him a totalitarian goes a bit too far
But the accords don't hold anyone accountable; they're designed to give the U.N. power and take away people's rights. Tony also says that the Accords will keep the Avengers in check and then proceeds to break them several times without ramifications, proving they're ineffective.
To be fair, in superior Iron Man Tony’s mind was still messed up from the comic run before it where, a bunch of villains and heroes got there minds messed with, making them switch sides.
Mek was the one the put the bomb on the ship causing the ship to kill his child and wife---when Dr Strange said he wasn't the one and Mek tell's him the truth "Hulk Smashed" him.
I don’t think killing your enemies is necessarily a bad thing it neutralizes a threat from easily coming back ( because comic books ). Preventing them from harming you or others anymore.
It's still pretty bad, especially if there's a sliver of a chance they can be redeemed. But it does happen sometimes when you're fighting for your life.
10) Nope. Hank Pam did it, but yeah, in the MCU, he did it. 9) I remember that. 8) Yup. 7) Damn. 6) That actually didn’t surprise me. 5) Well, that’s true. 4) That’s a great storyline. The one where he gets drunk. 3) Does that count? 2) I wasn’t on his side for the first Civil War. I was during the second one. 1) Man, he was scary. Remember when he threw Daredevil off the building?
As a kill counter, the actual direct action that kills Obadiah Stane is actually killed by Pepper Potts, she activated the giant arc reactor that killed him.
@@asukakazama1563 He didn't even created it in the MCU, Ultron already existed as an inmaterial entity Tony and Bruce only tried to convert it so they could use it for the greater good.
Tony stark is my favorite Honestly yes hes done terrible things But he has balls of steel you cant call him a coward for that He really is my #1 super hero and my love for him was plused because of the MCU
Stark didn't create Ultron the evil supervillain, he was working on a program that he never finished. Bruce and Tony worked on the program and were merely scanning the scepter (thanks to Wanda's little mind control trick), the consciousness of Ultron the villain came from the mind stone, and Thor ignited the stone and connected it with the unfinished program with his hammer. Blaming Tony for Ultron is lame.
For someone with Comics in the name you sure as hell make it seem like you just saw bullet points of the story and nothing else. Also I don't think films are comics. Waste of a channel imo.
Tony Stark: creates Ultron because of the illusion and was constantly reminded and was hated by some people in the Mcu Wanda: the true reason behind the creation of Ultron and was forgiven by some of the Avengers and never took responsibility
Isn't that one of the worst things???! Taking control of the avengers outside of the government control....when he tried to take over SHIELD???! How about when he caused the deaths of Swordsman and Mantis...
Must say, each time I read about the multiverses of Comic book. It makes me don't want to ever enter it, like at all.. I hate inconsistencies and it all reeks of it.
C.D. Rencher-I think that which ever major character that dies, will be revealed to be a Skull in one of two post credits scenes...thus smoothly transiting into "Secret Invasion"
I know this video game out six years ago and the book I'm about to mention came out (currently) less than a year ago, but a good addition to this list would be an example of Tony Stark in the Marvel book, 'What If Loki was Worthy?' Yes, it's a book based off the 'What If...?' series, and it's awesome, but Tony Stark is a pure VILLAIN in the book and no one can convince me otherwise! Happy Hogan is killed off close to the begining of the book, collateral damage due to accidently being killed by The Destroyer from Asgard. This leads Tony Stark to believe all Asgardians are evil and must be destroyed! So, I kid you not, he creates a suit that will enable him to go to Asgard, DESTROY the planet, and KILL every last citizen! How screwed up is that!? Tony also does plenty of other horrible stuff in the book, like threatening Jane Foster and even KIDNAPPING her nine year old daughter!
When you said that iron man kidnapped a kid you didn't provide context. He saw millions of universes at once and Captain Marvel wanted to use his predictions every time for every battle. She soon became almost insanely obsessed with him and locked him up to use for predictions. Tony tried saving him.
@@JeremyBX I was speaking about both of them, but yes, the multiverse exists now, and 2014 avengers won't be snapped away, so the possibilities of bringing Tony, Steve, and Nat back are there. Then there's Adam Warlock - a master of the soul stone, so he himself may be able to revive Nat and our gamora at the very least.
@@Spantzcatdog I'm aware, idc too much about hollywood and keeping up with pointless things, but anyone with a brain knew that RDJ and Chris would either be killed or removed from the story somehow due to their precious contracts being up (lol) The most hilarious thing is you lot accepting the shit ending that came of it because of that. Controversy is typically the truth, which is why most of us with a brain LOVE IT.
I read some iron man 115 to 205 in 70s and 80s he was a drunk. But. He did not make fun of people or want it to be known he was iron man. So disappointed in movies. I think i m 1 movie was remake of 200.
Superior Iron Man was Axisfied (i.e. his moral and spiritual axis was reversed). He was one of the few affected that outsmarted attempts to change him back (including his own backup persona in an Iron man suit). You might have mentioned that for the benefit of non-comic readers (he had the best Iron man armor so far during that storyline, though).
i have never understood how they came up with the idea of a prison in the Neg Zone for superheroes, but: a) never before came up with it as an idea for jailing superVILLAINS and b) never considered that idea AFTER Civil War was over.
You forgot to mention that the reason Iron Man behaved like that in Superior Iron Man was due to Tony being one of the very characters that did not return to normal post Axis storyline where a number of characters had their moral alignments reversed which led to evil X-Men and Avengers, as well as Good guy Sabertooth and Zenpool. What I can't remember was on who they were trying to use the machine on originally... I think it was on Red Skull who at the time used Professor X's brain to grant himself psionic powers...
Stark didn't blow up the ship if you read the story before making this video you would know that it was banner who knocked the ship off course from a peaceful place to sakkar and it was a sakkaran that blew the ship up
4:20 i'm a little bit confused here. what do you mean when you say that kidnapping someone cannot be justified regardless of the reason? i can think of many justifiable reasons for kidnapping someone. whether it can be justified or not depends entirely on the reason for the kidnapping, what happens during the kidnapping, and the kind of person who is being kidnapped.
MCU Tony Stark can be aggressively manipulative (not as bad as his comics counterpart, but still), and MCU Bruce Banner is not exactly known for the stiffness of his spine.
Guys ironman may have done some bad stuff but my dad beat me and my mom, didn't have a job and lived on my mom's money, ran over a dude and left me in the ghettos in the desert when I was 8 and when the time came to pay the loans he left and made my mom pay so basically yes Iron man did some bad stuff
I feel like I have a love/hate relationship with tony. With civil war I absolutely hated him and the same with AvX. With civil war 2 I loved him and witg various other storylines. Its weird
4)i was actually thinking that maybe your not just another iron man hater when i saw the part about destroying himself until i heard the last part and realized you placed that in the list not because suicide should be dyopped but because you thought tony was trying to deprive earth 616 of another hero. 5)i want to believe you in civil war since my only reference is the movie but after the first 8 i think your opinion on civil war is too biased against tony
Do Xavier!! There are a lot of hero characters that have done really bad stuff!! I’ve always liked the comics version of Iron Man,but I love the MCU version!!! He’s portrayed with a conscience and as a better hero than he is in the comics!! Flawed but fun!! RDJ made that a perfect fit for Iron Man!!
3:24 how the heck did he kill magneto , as the old saying from magneto to wolverine “ I can smell your Adamantium “, couldn’t he have sense Ironman suit? And easily take it apart or crush him in it ??
Ok first of all two these things are alternative universe so it automatically discount, come on you basically add it in just to fill your quota of 10 didn’t ya
the illuminate exiled hulk into space, so can you really class it as ironman since it was a group that decided it, also hulk was suppose to land on another planet, but hulk damaged the ship. Also he also kidnap ulsises so that he could find out how his power worked.
this bugged me too. its like "hey, i never read the actual im comics, gonna look up tony's alcoholism arc on wiki, and scribble down her name misspelled."
I was gonna say, in civil war its referenced that Tony basically stole DNA from all the Avengers at their first meeting so he could make clones or do whatever else he wanted with it. He made the thor clone that killed goliath. That was a real, non alternate universe, thing he did.
Yes. It was a great moment. One of the most badass Thor moments. Sucks that it can never appear in movies, because Stark in movies didn't went all the way in Civil War like in the comics, and Thor in movies is just a goof and he would never act so badass.
Don't forget that one time he forgot to watch his language in age of ultron, while they were fighting the hydra base.
yes that is his most horrifying crime
Disgusting
Dear god.
Holy shit
@@spoonfedpodcastsandgamepla7135 Language!
You didn't even mention that Tony was still under the effects from Axis so his morality was flipped at the time of superior Iron Man. You just made it seem like he became evil for no reason
Exactly! Kinda a key detail on that.
I was going to say that and since you have I don't have to, so thank you.
Thank you for the clarification. I'm quite a bit behind on my comic reading so with no context, all of the Superior Iron Man stuff makes him seem flat out evil. Makes me wonder why Marvel seems to use the word Superior for villainous versions of their characters. Superior Spider-Man and now Superior Iron Man? I'm surprised they don't refer to Hydra double agent Captain America as Superior Captain America.
Moostached Saiyan Prince he's Superior Spider-Man because that was literally what Ock set out to become. He saw Peter's life as a series of errors and wasted potential that he set out to correct. Plus, Ock wasn't totally wrong. There were tons of things that made no sense in Peter's life with his level of intellect and skill, and so Ock set out to make some changes. And some of them were utterly right changes, others obvious moral failing on Ock's part. All in all it was a character study of Spidey's life and thus Superior is both literal and ironic in that Ock himself doesn't see his own just as obvious flaws while obsessing over Pete's that aren't even always actual flaws.
Superior Ironman one assumes was the same idea, only this time with Tony's axis self whom is also looking at Tony's flaws and looking to correct them, only this time with even less morality than Ock could ever hope to match, what with him being Tony's almost literal darkside.
I was about to say like dang he's bad! Thanks for telling me
Yeah, but the worst thing Ironman has done is break his streak on Duolingo.
Lol
That's brutal, it's like my wife kidnapping my children is nothing compared to not taking Spanish class...
That MONSTER!
Ship was NOT on self destruct!! Meek set off a bomb to make it look like it was.
You know this because you actually read the comics. Whatculture does not.
He also wasn't supposed to end up on Sakaar in the first place. Hulk freaking out and tearing a hole in his ship is what sent it off course. The Illuminati were trying to send Hulk to a planet where he could be Hulk without worrying about hurting other people.
FoxyAlphaRogerTango And in a what-if story where he landed on the planet they planned for him, he became the contented immortal mythical guardian for a race of lizard-like beings he'd guarded since before they evolved sapience and culture.
No way! Nice to know they did that what-if story. I'll have to try and track that down
Meek did not set off a bomb, Meek saw the bomb being planted and didn't do anything about it.
Tony Stark: "The Hulk is too much of a threat to live on Earth."
Also Tony Stark: "Oops, I just made another robot that wants to wipe out humanity."
Well, in the comics continuity, Tony never created Ultron, that was on Henry Pym.
Worse, even with Wolverine coming back in time to warn him, he still did it. And in every universe, Hank Pym creates it, regardless.
Diffrent earths. One is MCU and the Other is 616 aka the Main marvel comics universe
Overlord Maxis He did create a satellite grid to basically wipe out NYC just to stop the Hulk.
The guy’s an asshat
Superior iron Man shouldn't be on here, his personality was inverted during the events of axis, and he didn't change back
Seeing as there are 2 other versions of him on this list as well. I'd say it fits. It's still Tony
it's called the worst things he has done.
Havok and Sabertooth are also still inverted because of Stark.
The point being that the acts he committed while inverted were still some of the most horrible things he's done.
@@WinchesterxNL *HE* had done he had no control it was the axis
Just wanna point out you conveniently forgot to mention that Rhodey, Tony's best friend, died on that mission to stop Thanos, which Captain Marvel hid from him until afterward, which is why he lashed out. Ulysses was also in college when this happened, not a child. Still messed up to kidnap him and experiment on him, especially since Ulysses admitted he would have agreed to it if asked, but he was emotional. Not sure i'd consider it one of the worst things he's ever done, though.
Being emotional doesn't excuse committing heinous crimes. (Well it shouldn't.) Kidnapping people and experimenting on them is a war crime. And a felony.
I didn't say it excused anything, I literally said it was still messed up for him to do any of it. But they made it sound like he did it for no real reason.
He really did it for no real reason. He captured and tested on an individual who helped them win against Thanos because he "might" use his powers for the wrong. And apart from Tony very few heroes actually manipulate others to get their own goal. So it is not only wrong but hypocritical for Tony to give any reasons.
Wyll Yoder you mean discount iron man 😂
@@trullsengar2784 Unless you didn't notice those powers were just probability and held no evidence which visions could end up true or false, not to mention that nearly after Rhodey dies Barton also killed Bruce cause the kid had a vision of The Hulk going rampid. That kid with one wrong vision could have lead to heroes starting to kill each other out of fear just cause there was a chance down to a like an unmesurable small percentage that any of it could happen, given the fact that there are infinent universes and so infinent outcomes. So in short I don't blame him one bit, it's the fanatical idiots that believed the kid like Captain Marvel that were arrogant and fully in the wrong.
Literally all your comments are people correcting you XD
literally?
That’s Tony Stark fanboys for you
@@ajmulenga2532 OR simply people who pay attention to details and not just take everything blindly
@Anjaney Asreet Rout There’s a difference between making critical argument and just blindly defending a characters wrongdoings because he’s your favorite
@@ajmulenga2532 yeah... But not everyone here is blindly defending Ironman
RDJ is actually 53. He's almost the same age as his character's publication history
Someone please tell me how IRON man beat magneto ?
He has suits that are made of materials that aren't any kind of metal. The Iron in Iron Man is just part of the name, like how Batman doesn't use Bats
Freddy Jones wait. So Batman lied to us!?!
@@seanstange8704 Batman sometimes uses bats but yeah iron Man it's just a name
"It's actually a gold titanium composite" he said this in the first movie when he read iron man on the newspaper. Both of those metal are non magnetic.
Honestly magnetism is very limited because not all metals can be magnetized and iron man has suits made of ceramic polymer. Not to say magneto isn't a threat still but tony stark has manipulated people's powers before in order to defeat them
Well that's quite a collection of naughty deeds.
Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap. Wouldnt be Iron Man without AC/DC.
@@knightyknight678 Dojyaaaaan
So is my girlfriend's STDs.
No presents for Christmas this year
No wonder Santa never visits him
Tony Stark wasn't the only one involved in Ultron's creation. And yet, he's the only one who's picked up on it.
Indeed. Revencing the movie. We have Bruce, scarlett witch, and in turn renaments of hydra.
Tony bullied Bruce to make Ultron tho
@@raifkenedy3 poor Banner! Can turn himself into a green giant who can destroy a moon but can't say no to Tony.
@@kaaru6891 and he hates going on a rampage and can't stop himself if he's attacked
Wanda gets off way too easy in both Ultron and Civil War I don't care how pretty she is, she doesn't get so as a slap on the wrist.
Was the video uploaded without the ending? They didn’t even explain why Tony did any of the Superior Iron-Man stuff and there wasn’t even a RUclips call to action at the end.
there's no ding ding done as well at the beginning
His brain was turned evil after a world ending event causing all bad to be good and vice versa. But when Tony was made evil he made a devise to block out being good again.
Check out ComicsExplained. He explains it better.
Iron Man got his mind twisted after the Axis event( I didn t read that one). The superior Ironman story ended after 8 issues leaving many things unsolved. This story was eliminated from continuity after Secret Wars (2015). After that Iron Man reappered behaving normally and the evnts of Superior Iron Man were not mentioned.
@@TheVetoSkreeemer Ah, but it wasn't eliminated. Havok remained under its effects. Sabretooth did as well, but he was reverting slowly, probably due to his nature. Wolverine is highly resistant was mental manipulation as well. So it still happened and Tony was still the reason Havok and Creed remained inverted...so why was he back to normal?
TheBlues32 Dont know? Bad writing perhaps.
I remembered that classic Bob Layton drawing of Tony Stark still in his armor sitting at his desk at his lowest level as an alcoholic. The best part of that story was when he went off on the Avengers butler Jarvis on insulting him and his duties. After Jarvis submitted his resignation and no longer wanting to work for him, Tony then realized how low he had gotten. Those classic Iron Man stories back in the day were definitely templates towards the MCU Iron Man we have enjoyed on the screen. Robert Downey Jr. was tailor made to play Tony Stark.
You are _literally_ overusing 'literally' and using it incorrectly. Wait...
Literally,
Literally Literally Literally Literally Literally Literally Literally Literally Literally Literally Literally Literally
*L I T E R A L L Y*
Honestly reminds me of Leafy, honestly.
And why wouldn’t he kill villains? They just keep escaping. Better to just end them. Especially if they attack first.
Yep none of that batman bullshit here. No mercy.
Because he values all human life and he never wants to take the easiest way out of a situation. Iron Man has a code of ethic, just like Batman. The difference is that he did kill in the comics, but, unlike what was shown in the movies, he shows regret for killing. Here is the first time he killed a villain:
readcomiconline.to/Comic/Iron-Man-1968/Issue-46?id=19601#22
EgocentricHead i never understood that mentality. You aren’t killing one normal person to save a thousand. You are killing one evil sociopath to save a thousand. The incentive is defo there to kill. If the heroes turn in the villains then the Government or shield should definitely execute. But they don’t. So villains keep escaping. And killing. That isn’t justice. That’s stupidity.
Lucky Jones, yes, it would be easy to just write those people off and say "the world is better without them", but then you gotta ask yourself if it's your call to make, and if you are willing to take that responsibility. It's a question that each person has a different answer for. You, if you were in that position, would probably be fine with it. Someone else wouldn't. Marvel comics have those opposing views. On one hand, you have characters like Spider-Man, who don't want to be executioners and would rather just beat up the bad guys and allow them go to jail. Then you have someone like the Punisher and Moon Knight, who are willing to take a life without a second hesitation. Iron Man of the comics falls somewhere in the middle. He will take a life if there would be no other choice, but he will try everything that he can to find other solutions. That's why he never killed the Mandarin, his greatest arch-enemy. The Mandarin died plenty of times in the comics, but was never killed by Iron Man. Iron Man refused to kill him because he knows that it's what will make him no better than him, and that would be the last thing he'll want to be. He said it himself: the Mandarin is everything that he despises, and he never will allow himself to be like him. Iron Man doesn't fight fire with fire.
Just saying. If he did kill the mandarin. He wouldn’t be “the same as him” he would be saving a lot of people’s lives, and himself a lot of trouble. The punisher is smart. Iron man is also, of course, smart. But if he can’t pull the trigger. Then, like I said before, shield or the government should. The US government in the real world executes people for far lesser offenses. These aren’t just people, they are freaking SUPERVILLAINS!
That wasn’t very cash money of you
I must stand in defense of Tony here. I always hear people say that in Civil War, he was in favor of the registration act, but in fact he wasn't. But he was one of the view who forsaw what could happen if they didn't sign. As he explicitely said; if we do not sign, the next time there are innocent victims, we will be forced. And we have too much power not to be held accountable. We need to be on a leash.
So to call him a totalitarian goes a bit too far
False
But the accords don't hold anyone accountable; they're designed to give the U.N. power and take away people's rights.
Tony also says that the Accords will keep the Avengers in check and then proceeds to break them several times without ramifications, proving they're ineffective.
@@davidshell2801 what he said was right lmao
Ask me if I care how you feel
@@davidshell2801 well you replied so obviously you do care lmao
Yes, he made Ultron, but he did it to protect the world and Ultron just malfunctioned and understood everything wrong.
Darth Stratoro did ultron really misunderstand tho?
Tony is dumb
What If Ultron: Yeaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh about that
To be fair, in superior Iron Man Tony’s mind was still messed up from the comic run before it where, a bunch of villains and heroes got there minds messed with, making them switch sides.
The Illuminati didn’t cause the explosion of hulks ship in world war hulk it was one of his warriors who took it way too far
Mek was the one the put the bomb on the ship causing the ship to kill his child and wife---when Dr Strange said he wasn't the one and Mek tell's him the truth "Hulk Smashed" him.
The whole, "Iron Man owes the world his life," based on any decision other than his own,is the mentality of an authoritarian. Screw that, slaver.
I don’t think killing your enemies is necessarily a bad thing it neutralizes a threat from easily coming back ( because comic books ). Preventing them from harming you or others anymore.
It's still pretty bad, especially if there's a sliver of a chance they can be redeemed. But it does happen sometimes when you're fighting for your life.
10) Nope. Hank Pam did it, but yeah, in the MCU, he did it.
9) I remember that.
8) Yup.
7) Damn.
6) That actually didn’t surprise me.
5) Well, that’s true.
4) That’s a great storyline. The one where he gets drunk.
3) Does that count?
2) I wasn’t on his side for the first Civil War. I was during the second one.
1) Man, he was scary. Remember when he threw Daredevil off the building?
This dude,totally forgot he created a clone of thor that killed goliath and he also put the blame on the original thor 🥲
@@akchayakumar2071
Me or the video?
@@deadpoolregeneratedegenera1683 the video creator
@@akchayakumar2071
Ah. Okay. Sometimes people here on the internet put words in my mouth, so I apologize for playing defense.
@@deadpoolregeneratedegenera1683 🙂😅
As a kill counter, the actual direct action that kills Obadiah Stane is actually killed by Pepper Potts, she activated the giant arc reactor that killed him.
She wouldn't have known how to do it if he hadn't told her; the blood is on both of their hands.
I mean Stan Lee created Tony to be someone everyone would hate but now he is a very complex character
When did he say that? lmao that fandom logic is ridiculous, iron man is a superHERO
@@drfifteenmd7561 who has done bad things
@@drfifteenmd7561 who is an obnoxious capitalist...
During 60,s iron-man looked more like propaganda against communist
I feel like I ain't seen a video from you guys in years. Weird
Probably for the best.
Same
Kbitch Kal yeah.no.idea man mike please place them.ib my artwork fix our and masonic 5 sitiation.
Im trying to be annoying, *Wierd*
When you mix MCU with the comics you started off wrong Hank Pym created Ultron not Tony.
He said that Tony created Ultron IN THE MCU! It's in the video
Everyone know Hank pym Created the Ultron, and this was Ultron from MCU, not from Comic.
Actually Tony’s dad made the ai
@@asukakazama1563 He didn't even created it in the MCU, Ultron already existed as an inmaterial entity Tony and Bruce only tried to convert it so they could use it for the greater good.
Thats why he said he created ultron on MCU!!! Come on
Tony stark is my favorite
Honestly yes hes done terrible things
But he has balls of steel you cant call him a coward for that
He really is my #1 super hero and my love for him was plused because of the MCU
Stark didn't create Ultron the evil supervillain, he was working on a program that he never finished. Bruce and Tony worked on the program and were merely scanning the scepter (thanks to Wanda's little mind control trick), the consciousness of Ultron the villain came from the mind stone, and Thor ignited the stone and connected it with the unfinished program with his hammer. Blaming Tony for Ultron is lame.
Not as lame as you think cause............. Infinity Ultron
For someone with Comics in the name you sure as hell make it seem like you just saw bullet points of the story and nothing else. Also I don't think films are comics. Waste of a channel imo.
Its 10 things tony has ever done no where does it say this video is exclusive to comics or films
Tony Stark: creates Ultron because of the illusion and was constantly reminded and was hated by some people in the Mcu
Wanda: the true reason behind the creation of Ultron and was forgiven by some of the Avengers and never took responsibility
Sending his friends to the negative zone should be #1
No matter what Tony has done, I will love him 3000
too soon
Ankita Nair and I’m talking about Iron Man in general
Ankita Nair yeah but he’s still a hero.
Always. u.u
;-;
The MCU Tony I can get behind but Tony in the comics is a irredeemable douchebag
Ummmm....sooooo Iron Man sleeping with the Wasp while she was still married to Hank
Isn't that one of the worst things???! Taking control of the avengers outside of the government control....when he tried to take over SHIELD???! How about when he caused the deaths of Swordsman and Mantis...
Didn't Tony also sleep with Emma Frost while she was with Scott Summers ?
I thought he just dated her once.
Douglas Bryant That happened before she and Scott were a couple.
@@TheVetoSkreeemer Presumeably. Wasn't that only revealed when Wolverine brought it up?
What’s up with the abrupt ending? Get an outro guys.
MJ Red it is their channel... Their choice. I personally think that outros can be cliche and distracting.
Alice Dubois Well they just showed their opinion, not obligated them to make an outro or anything
Alice Dubois Well it's called feedback.
Must say, each time I read about the multiverses of Comic book. It makes me don't want to ever enter it, like at all.. I hate inconsistencies and it all reeks of it.
C.D. Rencher-I think that which ever major character that dies, will be revealed to be a Skull in one of two post credits scenes...thus smoothly transiting into "Secret Invasion"
Damn, he was mean to Daredevil!
But it turned out tony didnt rig the jet to explode it was inhabitants of the planet who did it and hulk thought it was the illuminati
Eh...he's still a number #1 superhero in my book
Tony is great I'm glad the true hero of the MCU and not Captain Hydra America
I know this video game out six years ago and the book I'm about to mention came out (currently) less than a year ago, but a good addition to this list would be an example of Tony Stark in the Marvel book, 'What If Loki was Worthy?' Yes, it's a book based off the 'What If...?' series, and it's awesome, but Tony Stark is a pure VILLAIN in the book and no one can convince me otherwise! Happy Hogan is killed off close to the begining of the book, collateral damage due to accidently being killed by The Destroyer from Asgard. This leads Tony Stark to believe all Asgardians are evil and must be destroyed! So, I kid you not, he creates a suit that will enable him to go to Asgard, DESTROY the planet, and KILL every last citizen! How screwed up is that!? Tony also does plenty of other horrible stuff in the book, like threatening Jane Foster and even KIDNAPPING her nine year old daughter!
Superior Ironman is badass!
You can insult him how much you want but he will still be the greatest superhero in my eyes.
When you said that iron man kidnapped a kid you didn't provide context. He saw millions of universes at once and Captain Marvel wanted to use his predictions every time for every battle. She soon became almost insanely obsessed with him and locked him up to use for predictions. Tony tried saving him.
Tony is still a badass no matter what he does.
Yup
Definitely!
Agreed
Only in the MCU, not in the comics
Yes and not only in MCU. I love Tony in comics too.
Even though this was from a year ago, In the words of the Michael Jackson Controversy
LeT ThE MaN ReSt iN PeAcE
You can't let one rest in peace if they're not dead.
unknown warrior
Yeah, i too hope that Tony Stark is somehow still alive.
@@JeremyBX I was speaking about both of them, but yes, the multiverse exists now, and 2014 avengers won't be snapped away, so the possibilities of bringing Tony, Steve, and Nat back are there.
Then there's Adam Warlock - a master of the soul stone, so he himself may be able to revive Nat and our gamora at the very least.
@@Spantzcatdog I'm aware, idc too much about hollywood and keeping up with pointless things, but anyone with a brain knew that RDJ and Chris would either be killed or removed from the story somehow due to their precious contracts being up (lol)
The most hilarious thing is you lot accepting the shit ending that came of it because of that. Controversy is typically the truth, which is why most of us with a brain LOVE IT.
Civil war 1 Steve was right
Civil war 2 Stark was right
Civil war 3 no one was right
SO in both Civil War Comic Book Events, the side which was virtually the antagonists come out on top.
Yep, Cap thinks he's knows what best for you whether you like it or not.
Wait, do you mean that's bad? I can't tell.
@@li-limandragon9287 You're confusing Cap for Tony
Y'all really don't read the comics
Kill la kill jaden smith?
Reuko looks better with that suit than jaden smith
I read some iron man 115 to 205 in 70s and 80s he was a drunk. But. He did not make fun of people or want it to be known he was iron man. So disappointed in movies. I think i m 1 movie was remake of 200.
Top 10 The Penguin moments
Anewlevel Then you should read a little more about him.
They did it a year ago
My bad that was a ten things dc wants you to forget.
Superior Iron Man was Axisfied (i.e. his moral and spiritual axis was reversed). He was one of the few affected that outsmarted attempts to change him back (including his own backup persona in an Iron man suit). You might have mentioned that for the benefit of non-comic readers (he had the best Iron man armor so far during that storyline, though).
i have never understood how they came up with the idea of a prison in the Neg Zone for superheroes, but:
a) never before came up with it as an idea for jailing superVILLAINS and
b) never considered that idea AFTER Civil War was over.
You forgot to mention that the reason Iron Man behaved like that in Superior Iron Man was due to Tony being one of the very characters that did not return to normal post Axis storyline where a number of characters had their moral alignments reversed which led to evil X-Men and Avengers, as well as Good guy Sabertooth and Zenpool.
What I can't remember was on who they were trying to use the machine on originally... I think it was on Red Skull who at the time used Professor X's brain to grant himself psionic powers...
Hank Pym built Ultron. The real Ultron not that shite we got in the movies. Hank Pym
Damn, all this makes MCU Tony seem really good. But writers just do what they want to do.
Stark didn't blow up the ship if you read the story before making this video you would know that it was banner who knocked the ship off course from a peaceful place to sakkar and it was a sakkaran that blew the ship up
Still exile
I love The Superior Iron Man comic it to me is the best example of a hero turning into a villian
The iron Monarch sounds like he should be in the MCU.
But that's too good to happen!😒
I hope we'll get an episode on the Iron Patriot and the Dark Avengers.
So basically he did just sacrifice himself to save everyone.
In the MCU, not in the comics
4:20 i'm a little bit confused here. what do you mean when you say that kidnapping someone cannot be justified regardless of the reason? i can think of many justifiable reasons for kidnapping someone. whether it can be justified or not depends entirely on the reason for the kidnapping, what happens during the kidnapping, and the kind of person who is being kidnapped.
Bruce helped Tony created Ultron in the movie.
MCU Tony Stark can be aggressively manipulative (not as bad as his comics counterpart, but still), and MCU Bruce Banner is not exactly known for the stiffness of his spine.
sheenak56 LOL in the comics tony never made ultron.. its just the movies..
And Scarlet nudged Tony into creating the Robot in the first place.
At 3:43 Tony looks like a mixture of Stalin and Hitler right here and I don't know why
By the thumbnail, if iron man takes his off helmet, *_BANNED FROM ROBLOX_*
noob roblox dude ur not funny.
@@Rahim103.5 Oof oh him my robloxians >:(
Guys ironman may have done some bad stuff but my dad beat me and my mom, didn't have a job and lived on my mom's money, ran over a dude and left me in the ghettos in the desert when I was 8 and when the time came to pay the loans he left and made my mom pay so basically yes Iron man did some bad stuff
He's still my most favorite character from Marvel.
Ma boi black panther better
#5 is an odd one considering Marvel is the more “kill or be killed” side while DC is the “we do not kill” one.
I feel like I have a love/hate relationship with tony. With civil war I absolutely hated him and the same with AvX. With civil war 2 I loved him and witg various other storylines. Its weird
I love him I just hate some of the dickish things he's done over the years.
Keep in mind with AvX Cap fucks up just as badly.
Honestly this makes him like 100x more awesome
4)i was actually thinking that maybe your not just another iron man hater when i saw the part about destroying himself until i heard the last part and realized you placed that in the list not because suicide should be dyopped but because you thought tony was trying to deprive earth 616 of another hero.
5)i want to believe you in civil war since my only reference is the movie but after the first 8 i think your opinion on civil war is too biased against tony
In civil war (comics) he literally is the villain.
Professor X: "Strangles his still unborn twin sister in the womb."
Tony Stark: "Battles Alcoholism."
His.death.and his last i am iron man kills this list
@@Spantzcatdog dont care
what´s the comic in 2:17 guys? Lv you 3000, Tony
Being an Alcoholic beats out killing a bunch of people for the number 4 spot, I dig it?
being a weapons dealer is not illegal or a sin. wonder why everyone keeps judging tony for that? it was stane that sold to terrorists not tony
Thanks for bringing me up to speed on all of this. Quite a mess you are Stark.
Do Xavier!! There are a lot of hero characters that have done really bad stuff!! I’ve always liked the comics version of Iron Man,but I love the MCU version!!! He’s portrayed with a conscience and as a better hero than he is in the comics!! Flawed but fun!! RDJ made that a perfect fit for Iron Man!!
3:24 how the heck did he kill magneto , as the old saying from magneto to wolverine “ I can smell your Adamantium “, couldn’t he have sense Ironman suit? And easily take it apart or crush him in it ??
Ok first of all two these things are alternative universe so it automatically discount, come on you basically add it in just to fill your quota of 10 didn’t ya
you forgot to mention relieving himself in the ironman suit in Ironman 2 while drunk at a party
10 worst things Captain america/Captain Marvel has ever done
Captain Marvel: 1. The entire civil war 2 debacle
Number 1. Endorse Barack Obama.
Become a Nazi (or is that one of the worst thing marvel has done)
Why the both of them?
Kbitch Kal Stop comparing captain marvel and cap America.
the illuminate exiled hulk into space, so can you really class it as ironman since it was a group that decided it, also hulk was suppose to land on another planet, but hulk damaged the ship.
Also he also kidnap ulsises so that he could find out how his power worked.
Superior Iron Man was my favorite out of all of them. I love the fact that he made his silver armor out of a symbiote.
Actually, civil war 2 was kicked off by Hawkeye killing Bruce banner and - if I'm correct - captain marvel trying to arrest miles Morales
Superior Iron man made dare devil a victim man
Number 4 sounds very much like the life of RDJ. Made him perfect to play Stark.
Kidnapping Ulysses is justified, pick up the comic, Cap Feminist used him as a tool
"Slaughter Thousands"
My, that's quite a heavy word.
But then he made up for all of it by sacrificing himself to put an end to Thanos’ army and Thanos and saved the universe.
In the movies. 😂
@@drfifteenmd7561 i made this comment nearly 2 years ago when I didn't know much about marvel
Iron Man missed his Duolingo lesson.
Later in Endgame he dies.
Coincidence?
I think not!
um can you bring back ben
6:11 Bethany Cabe, not "Beth Cable".
this bugged me too. its like "hey, i never read the actual im comics, gonna look up tony's alcoholism arc on wiki, and scribble down her name misspelled."
Kidnapping ulysses was justified. He had a valid point. Captain marvel would probably use it to paly God.
4:30. You meant that it was a means that no end could justify. Got it backward.
How the hell did the iron monarch kill magneto?
Lmfao. That's what I'm saying. All magneto needs to do is crush his suit
Imma be honest chief, no matter how much he’s murdered, he’s still my favorite hero
Anybody remember the time Thor beat the shit out of Iron Man for creating alongside Mr. Fantastic Four the Thor clone that killed Goliath?
I was gonna say, in civil war its referenced that Tony basically stole DNA from all the Avengers at their first meeting so he could make clones or do whatever else he wanted with it. He made the thor clone that killed goliath. That was a real, non alternate universe, thing he did.
Yes. It was a great moment. One of the most badass Thor moments. Sucks that it can never appear in movies, because Stark in movies didn't went all the way in Civil War like in the comics, and Thor in movies is just a goof and he would never act so badass.
EgocentricHead LOL i want iron man to beat the shit out of thor...
KAI The Invincible In your dreams troll. It’s a miracle Iron man didnt die since Thor was this close to snap his neck like a twig.
KAI The Invincible BTW beat the crap out of IM in World war hulk and forced him to fight in a gladiator arena. Basically he was Hulks bitch.
The only way to defeat an Op villain without remorse is to make home realize what he’s done.
~Eragon
Tony Stark Playboy Bachelor millionaire and a dark side that's a little too damn close to Thanos