Hi everyone! I have changed my channel name to be my real name "Austin Blake" - something that I have thought about doing for a long time now! My original channel name "austiwawa" is something that I came up with back in 2007 and it really didn't have any significant meaning behind it. Just wanted to let you all know! Hope you all enjoyed the video and thanks for watching :D
I believe the significant reason behind starter motors being considered inadequate for projects (aside from their very low resistance) is that they don't usually have bearings. They usually rely on bushes and as such aren't suitable for prolonged operation. It would be interesting to see if replacing the bushes with bearings allows your motors to run for a long time.
I was very surprised how well that motor worked. I had the same thought as you, I just assumed it would have overheated after a minute or so. Very cool!
I figured that since it normally draws 1000+ Amps, it would overheat at that current and running for an extended time, but the current is being limited to 120A. Since power is I x I x R and since R will be the same (about 10V/1000A = 0.01 ohms), power used in its original (cranking) application will be 0.01 x 1000x1000 = 10,000W, while now with current limiting it is 0.01 x 100 x 100 which is about 1000W. Lets assume the efficiency is around 90%, that means that when being used for cranking (1000A) - it will lose about 1000W as heat - that will cook it given enough time. With current limiting it will be closer to 100W - which will is not enough to heat the case to any dangerous temperatures. Probably best to focus on bearings as per 1dfgaJ83K92 suggestion.
As a kid in the late 80's, we made some wheeled projects and the craft, design & technology teacher said to us that starter motors were prefect for the projects and we just ran with it. The only issue I had was burning my hand on a cable but starter motors (powered by lead/acid batteries) were definitely capable but nowhere near as fast with modern batteries so keep running with the starter motors but always keep an eye on temp so fit a thermometer.
I am a Motor/Generator Engineer ... (Electrical Power Engineer) . Standard Automotive Starter Motors will work just fine for light-duty applications, like carts and trikes . You can run them for years. As long as they are not getting hot to the touch. You are fine. Look for starters that draw under one amp at unloaded, free running conditions. If your electrical connections get hot, use some Electrically conductive grease . I built an electric car with 4 starter motors. 4 wheel drive. I have been using it for years. You can put air holes in the front plate like you show in this video, but you dont usually need it. Just check it for over heating. After running, just hold your hand on it. if you can not hold onto it, without getting burned, then you are in danger of overheating. Good luck!
@@richoutthere2962 Find an electronic Eng. with exp. in this direction , for desgn . You need Alu heat sink for MOSFET trasistors ,and PCB to be made for rest of electronic parts ...
Thanks now i can build my electric drift trick with starter motor. I have 12 v batery and i was planing to make one and this video helped me . I couldn't find cheap motor and i eas thinking about starter motor and this video popped up so thanks.
Nice work getting that sprocket welded and using the original mount with the newly drilled holes. I'm learning a lot watching your videos. Be careful that nothing gets caught up in the sprockets and chain. That would be a very bad day.
You might be able to just add some cooling ribs to the case of the motor by just cutting some grooves into the case. This way you don't comprise it being waterproof. I would just put the case in your lathe and turn some grooves.
I think an aluminum or copper heat sink would be far preferable to drilling holes in the housing. It's always possible that you could find an extrusion that fits but if you have access to a good mill & use a half-inch plate of aluminum, or maybe 1 inch, you could just mill channels in the plate till the deepest cut leaves the thinnest parts about .030". Then just find something to wrap it tightly around the motor housing, such as a large hose-clamp. You could go one better & attach fan blades or a large computer fan to the back of the motor. So long as you make the fins of the heat-sink parallel to the rotor shaft so the fan pulls the air in the most efficient direction. I would try to keep the motor under 200 degrees F to be on the safe side.
Run a copper tube around the motor and get some water circulating around the motor, with a simple mechanism that pumps a little water, when the wheel turns
I'm going to be using a 12v starter motor to build a e bike, its intended use will be drag racing so it shall be geared to do around 25mph And i wanna know if its a good idea
Would it be possible to control a 12v starter motor with PWM controller? Im a mechanical dude, and its the electronics of this stuff that put me off. Im thinking about doing a small beach cart.
Would love to see some stuff on your channel other than drift trikes / go karts, I feel like you have some excellent craftsmanship which would be awesome to see on other projects. Just my opinion. Regardless, these videos are still awesome, keep it up!
Very interesting project as experiment ! Evan if we put Allu housing with axial holes for water cooling or plastic fan , calculated thermistors for over heating protectio and all will be OK for long time use , who knows how will brushes and comutator behave !? For get to write that we need to change a bushings with radial bearings for sure .
Fantastic work, Austin! 😃 That's a huge beastly motor!!! 😂 I bet it could run a pretty big kart with one of those! Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
i use a PM brushed dc motor from an electric wheelchair on my ebike. 1500w it stays warm. 1800w it starts getting hot. starter motors are series wound with no magnets tho. what kind of wattage are you getting? 50v * 40A = 2000W peak for mine
Very well built!, but I prefer the previous setup, reason: PMSM only need bearing maintenance. Starter motors use carbon brushes, that you need to check and change.
@@pleopsidium6960 the video shows the bit breaking and puts it in the humours light of an unavoidable unfortunate outcome. I believe it also necessary to highlight the reason for the bit breaking, such that others can learn that the outcome was due to an incorrect bit type. You are coming across as quit sour about my comment, does it offend you?
24V diesel starter motor. I used to repair them along with other stuff. 12V versions get rebuilt a lot LOL...just don't have the ooomph the 24V version does. 12V driven at 36V...not a good idea but hey! its your skin...heheheh
Can you please make your own axle with simple equipment because some of us really want to build it but we don't have suppliers that ship were we live please😓
Gread ...the stafe that it surprise me that this kind of motor is existe in electric car like fiat panda electric ..it's the same thing same kind of rotor ..same kind of stator same brushes ...it's steel frame to ..So why the car starter heat and the other no 😡😡.. probably it's shood making some modification ..like making a aluminium frame as heat sink with holes ..and tow fans inside
Hi everyone!
I have changed my channel name to be my real name "Austin Blake" - something that I have thought about doing for a long time now! My original channel name "austiwawa" is something that I came up with back in 2007 and it really didn't have any significant meaning behind it. Just wanted to let you all know!
Hope you all enjoyed the video and thanks for watching :D
Still Austiwawa to me! ❤️
@@KareyV Same! Still have that 3D printed keychain I got from his giveaway a while back.
I like austiwawa better
I believe the significant reason behind starter motors being considered inadequate for projects (aside from their very low resistance) is that they don't usually have bearings. They usually rely on bushes and as such aren't suitable for prolonged operation. It would be interesting to see if replacing the bushes with bearings allows your motors to run for a long time.
Also the fact that they draw a horrendously high amount of current is one of the reasons (100-200 Amps if it's a starter for small car).
@@CenReaperYT. Only under load... Current is proportional to motor torque.
@@dfgaJK yeah,lol.
I was very surprised how well that motor worked. I had the same thought as you, I just assumed it would have overheated after a minute or so. Very cool!
Definitely worked better than anticipated. Thanks!
I figured that since it normally draws 1000+ Amps, it would overheat at that current and running for an extended time, but the current is being limited to 120A. Since power is I x I x R and since R will be the same (about 10V/1000A = 0.01 ohms), power used in its original (cranking) application will be 0.01 x 1000x1000 = 10,000W, while now with current limiting it is 0.01 x 100 x 100 which is about 1000W. Lets assume the efficiency is around 90%, that means that when being used for cranking (1000A) - it will lose about 1000W as heat - that will cook it given enough time. With current limiting it will be closer to 100W - which will is not enough to heat the case to any dangerous temperatures.
Probably best to focus on bearings as per 1dfgaJ83K92 suggestion.
As a kid in the late 80's, we made some wheeled projects and the craft, design & technology teacher said to us that starter motors were prefect for the projects and we just ran with it. The only issue I had was burning my hand on a cable but starter motors (powered by lead/acid batteries) were definitely capable but nowhere near as fast with modern batteries so keep running with the starter motors but always keep an eye on temp so fit a thermometer.
I am a Motor/Generator Engineer ... (Electrical Power Engineer) .
Standard Automotive Starter Motors will work just fine for light-duty applications, like carts and trikes .
You can run them for years. As long as they are not getting hot to the touch. You are fine.
Look for starters that draw under one amp at unloaded, free running conditions.
If your electrical connections get hot, use some Electrically conductive grease .
I built an electric car with 4 starter motors. 4 wheel drive. I have been using it for years.
You can put air holes in the front plate like you show in this video, but you dont usually need it.
Just check it for over heating. After running, just hold your hand on it. if you can not hold onto it, without getting burned,
then you are in danger of overheating.
Good luck!
I’m looking for a way of controlling the speed without buying a mega expensive controller like in the video.
Any video about your build? Id love to learn from it 🙏🙏🙏
Tell us more about your electric car w/ four motors!
@@richoutthere2962 Find an electronic Eng. with exp. in this direction , for desgn . You need Alu heat sink for MOSFET trasistors ,and PCB to be made for rest of electronic parts ...
I remember these starter things all over in the 80s and 90s. Not trikes but small kart type things and modified shipping carts.
For large connector, you really don't want to solder them. They can desolder themself with heat, it's better to crimp them.
Othervise, good video !
Look into adding some STATORADE to cool the motor and keep it well lubricated whilst under continuous operation. Great vid!
Thanks now i can build my electric drift trick with starter motor. I have 12 v batery and i was planing to make one and this video helped me . I couldn't find cheap motor and i eas thinking about starter motor and this video popped up so thanks.
Nice work getting that sprocket welded and using the original mount with the newly drilled holes. I'm learning a lot watching your videos. Be careful that nothing gets caught up in the sprockets and chain. That would be a very bad day.
You might be able to just add some cooling ribs to the case of the motor by just cutting some grooves into the case. This way you don't comprise it being waterproof. I would just put the case in your lathe and turn some grooves.
I think an aluminum or copper heat sink would be far preferable to drilling holes in the housing.
It's always possible that you could find an extrusion that fits but if you have access to a good mill & use a half-inch plate of aluminum, or maybe 1 inch, you could just mill channels in the plate till the deepest cut leaves the thinnest parts about .030". Then just find something to wrap it tightly around the motor housing, such as a large hose-clamp.
You could go one better & attach fan blades or a large computer fan to the back of the motor. So long as you make the fins of the heat-sink parallel to the rotor shaft so the fan pulls the air in the most efficient direction.
I would try to keep the motor under 200 degrees F to be on the safe side.
Run a copper tube around the motor and get some water circulating around the motor, with a simple mechanism that pumps a little water, when the wheel turns
I'm going to be using a 12v starter motor to build a e bike, its intended use will be drag racing so it shall be geared to do around 25mph
And i wanna know if its a good idea
Would it be possible to control a 12v starter motor with PWM controller? Im a mechanical dude, and its the electronics of this stuff that put me off. Im thinking about doing a small beach cart.
How did you program the speed controller to match the amps to the motor?
the riding montage edits!!! insane :D
how is this not a major event everywhere
Welcome back ☺️
Would love to see some stuff on your channel other than drift trikes / go karts, I feel like you have some excellent craftsmanship which would be awesome to see on other projects. Just my opinion. Regardless, these videos are still awesome, keep it up!
Happy to hear this! This is actually what I plan on doing with the channel moving forward :)
@@austiwawa great to hear. Excited to see what you come up with!
Loved the new video! Got yourself a new subscriber 😊
Very interesting project as experiment ! Evan if we put Allu housing with axial holes for water cooling or plastic fan , calculated thermistors for over heating protectio and all will be OK for long time use , who knows how will brushes and comutator behave !? For get to write that we need to change a bushings with radial bearings for sure .
Dude that rocks well done
Fantastic work, Austin! 😃
That's a huge beastly motor!!! 😂
I bet it could run a pretty big kart with one of those!
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thanks MC! :D
How do you think a smaller starter would do in a 50cc pit bike frame
i use a PM brushed dc motor from an electric wheelchair on my ebike.
1500w it stays warm. 1800w it starts getting hot.
starter motors are series wound with no magnets tho.
what kind of wattage are you getting?
50v * 40A = 2000W peak for mine
That think is amazing. You should start a club
Салямчик!!! Респект!!!
Я себе тоже из стартера сделал лебёдку на мотоцикле, тянет отлично!!!
Very well built!, but I prefer the previous setup, reason: PMSM only need bearing maintenance. Starter motors use carbon brushes, that you need to check and change.
Thanks! Yes, the BLDC setup is much better. But this was a fun project!
how much hp or kilo watts power does it have
How is the electrical diagram? And are there any ways to do this with scrap parts? Wanna try this, but would like it to be simple or cost free
Both of those motors came of a a ginormous Diesel engine so they are a good option I made a go kart out of one of a 350 chevy
God job.. For you chanel.. Thanks.. I like.. 🙏🏽👍👍👍
Can you show us how you connect the speed controller
What kinda battery is that...trike is baddest btw
Bjr Mr je suis au Cameroun j'ai aimé votre vidéo votre contrôleur c'est quel appareil comme ça
I like the name change.
Thanks!
Please can you give me an idea of how much this cost? I want to do something like this for my DT a levels
Awesome. 🙂👍👍 I think that maybe adding a heat sink to the motor may help with the heating issues, but I'm not sure though. 😂 LoL
2:30 using non-impact Torx bit in an Allen head bolt, what did you expect?
Obviously he expected to tighten the screw, tf is your comment for
@@pleopsidium6960 would you expect your petrol car to run on diesel and no one to pick you up on it when it fails?
That was just unnecessary, since he's even shown his silly mistake in a funny way. You chose to be like this, so whatever.
@@pleopsidium6960 the video shows the bit breaking and puts it in the humours light of an unavoidable unfortunate outcome.
I believe it also necessary to highlight the reason for the bit breaking, such that others can learn that the outcome was due to an incorrect bit type.
You are coming across as quit sour about my comment, does it offend you?
24V diesel starter motor. I used to repair them along with other stuff. 12V versions get rebuilt a lot LOL...just don't have the ooomph the 24V version does. 12V driven at 36V...not a good idea but hey! its your skin...heheheh
Why not a good idea, seems to work well. Did he do it to get higher rpm? Could motor burn up?
Weher are u from?
Need for Speed: Underground (2003)
Next video: go kart with windshield wiper motors!
I didnt realise that you had renamed your channel from Austiwawa
Me: Astiwawa hasn't uploaded in like a year... who's this guy?
Hello, I am from Saudi Arabia, and I hope to own a drift kart, but it is not found in Saudi Arabia. Can I order from a store?
What happened to your CO2 rocket video? I really liked it...
Oil filled case might be more tollerant of temperatures.
Did you change your channel name?
I did! I made a community post a couple of days ago but I am not sure if many people saw it.
i used a front wheel hub motor to electrify my drift trike. I’m still waiting for somebody to create an all wheel drive trike. How about it?
can you help me with guidance on making a drift trike or go cart for my son. Its just me and him and he is such a good kid.
I was surprised that you changed your YT name
I made a community post about it but I don't think that it reached very many people.
Can you please make your own axle with simple equipment because some of us really want to build it but we don't have suppliers that ship were we live please😓
true i live in ethiopia and i dont have access to the batteries and controller
Put some rubber tires on it with some wheelie bars and film a 1/4 mile drag. Better wear a helmet lol
Bearings not bushings
Use a forklift motor they have bearings
😎✌🖖👍👌😁
Gread ...the stafe that it surprise me that this kind of motor is existe in electric car like fiat panda electric ..it's the same thing same kind of rotor ..same kind of stator same brushes ...it's steel frame to ..So why the car starter heat and the other no 😡😡.. probably it's shood making some modification ..like making a aluminium frame as heat sink with holes ..and tow fans inside
Ventilate it and see how long it lasts..
bhai please in hindi