A really sad story was my grandparents adopted a dog from a shelter. But because she spent her entire life inside a cage all she would do was spin a circle. She wouldn't eat or drink. So they did the humane thing as put her down. All of the rescues we've from shelters we had were extremely anxious. I rescued a puppy while overseas from my neighbor who knows where they got him but after doing tests found out he was a purebred dog and everyone is always amazed by his colors and personality. The only type of dog I won't get again even from a good breeder is a pug. I'm on my second guy. My first one was the sweatiest thing when I was growing up with no health issues until the end of his life. My second one resource guards, can switch personalities on a dime and has skin issues often (I believe this has to do with an increase of inbreeding over the past 10 to 20 years).
the strict "adopt don't shop" mantra also doesn't take into account that some places just don't have rescue shelters. idk if it's only a thing in america or huge cities, but i have never seen a shelter in my life.
Lived in HK for several years, one shelter does exist on the peninsula but you cannot adopt any animal from them. And if it was possible, locals are not interessed into rescues anyway because they are deemed as "second-hand goods" I quote here several of my HK friends.
If you live in urban America (or atleast rustbelt urban America) there tend to be a lot of shelters but good luck finding anything other than bully breeds/other difficult breeds with restrictions like, no children, no cats, no other dogs, has to be a woman ect. Is it wrong to say you just want a pet and not a whole project
Also, a lot of shelter dogs suffer from trauma which makes owning them as a family dog hard as they often need fences to prevent escaping, and are not well behaved around small children and dogs.
Plus, all round just health and knowing the breed can be beneficial. Health isn't a priority for the breeders that put dogs in shelters especially puppy mills that can produce hundreds of puppies a year at times compared to ethical breeders producing usually 1-2 litters max some even just when they have a long enough waiting list.. anyways, ye dogs from ethical breeders you can better guarantee a healthy dog throughout puppyhood and adulthood, at times many even going strong into their elderly years especially when well cared for vs badly bred dogs that can at times decline very quickly, I know many who barely make it past 5. And breed well, different breeders were bred for different purposes, have different levels of intelligence, prey drive, reactivity, etc, so knowing the breed can be beneficial for those less flexible, if you can potentially achieve the right hope for a wide range of potential dogs, then rescue in this context can be more flexible. But lets say you don't have a very flexible living condition or lifestyle, ideally knowing the bred would help you get a dog that actually fits you the first time rather than cycling / fostering many different dogs having to give up on them for the dog's wellbeing until you eventually find the one that fits what you can give. Getting long, sorry for the ramble. Will also throw in people need to remember that just like how we have bad breeders, there is also bad rescues and sanctuaries out there, need to research places individually. One case had a woman lose all her current dogs and end up hospitalised because a rescue didn't properly vet the dog medically.. so ye, the risk is definitely there. Lying to get a dog rehomed I've also seen happen a lot, so the "testing," a dog has been through to get a perfect home could be faulty or even be fake information just to get the dog rehomed.
My mom loves corgis an insane amount, so that's the dog breed our family has had for the past 22 years. our first, Tucker, was from a backyard breeder, and though we love getting to raise him from a puppy, we decided to go through corgi rescue groups after that. our first rescue, Zigzagn died of kidney failure at 11, which is very young for a corgi. then Tucker died of DM at age 15. our second rescue, Ty, also died at age 11 of DM, just a few months ago. Mom is currently talking to an ethical corgi breeder who lives less than an hour away, is willing to provide any information Mom wants, and was incensed about how horrible it is to breed dogs without knowing their genetic dispositions to certain diseases. Apparently, it is very easy to avoid breeding a dog with genetic markers for DM.
adopting from shelters is great but sometimes people just really want a specific dog breed and can't find one at the shelter, as long as you look responsibly I really don't see an issue.
I can easily get a german shepherd at a shelter, but I chose to research an ethical breeder & purchased one instead. Because you can't guarantee good genetics & health without knowing what those genetics & health should look like in the first place (aka the parents of the dog having all of their health tests & temperament testing, etc) I love working line German Shepherds, but you'll very rarely find a well bred one in a shelter. Too many neurotic shepherd-type dogs lately.
@@LimitlessJayson very true, we have a german shepherd who came from an ethical breeder, they have bred german shepherds for awhile and take what they do very seriously and he's probably one of the most intelligent and well behaved dogs we have ever had.
also as a disabled person who needs a certain amount of training already done and allergies to dander... if i want to adopt i have to be very fast and very lucky
@@LimitlessJayson that is fine that you prefer to buy dogs rather than saving their lives. Just don’t ever condone anyone who DOES choose a shelter dog for the greater good. Because that’s all it is; they are trying to give an animal a second chance and save their life- despite what “health issues and genetics” they have. Those kinds of owners just genuinely want to love a dog because just like us, no dog is perfect and they’ve all got their little quirks annoyances or problems.
My parents got me my childhood dog, a female cocker spaniel, from an unwanted litter from an elderly couple, and she turned out to be the best dog we could imagine, very well behaved, healthy and with a good temperament. I didn't realize how lucky I was until I started volounteering at a local shelter. Me and my family even tried to adopt another dog from a rescue, and from what the voluteer had told us he was supposed to be a perfect match for us, but we ended up having to give the dog back due to his behavior problems and poor temperament, which the rescue promptly ommited or straight up lied about. I later heard form a qualified dog trainer that it is common in my country to see rescues and shelters give problematic, and sometimes dangerous dogs to people who aren't able to handle them. It seriuosly makes me mad because then we adopters become the bad guys if we decide to give the dog back. After this experience I have decided that my next dogs will definetly come from an etichal breeder, I have no desire to even get in contact with dishonest people like that, which most of the time they don't even know how to handle dogs themselves.
I feel like the best way to fix shelter overpopulation is to encourage responsible dog ownership, whether that be adopting from a shelter or buying from a *RESPONSIBLE* breeder. I think we should aim to decrease the rate of animals going into shelters as opposed to trying to increase the rate of animals coming out of shelters, which could cause irresponsible adoption and wouldn't be in the dogs' best interest. I show dogs. Belgian Tervurens (Malinois with a mullet). Therefore if I am looking for a new dog, I will get one from a small, ethical breeder. But that doesn't mean I'm anti rescue. If I'm driving down the road and see a lost/stray dog, I will take them to the shelter. If they don't have a chip and I can financially handle another dog, guess what Tervs, you just got a new sibling. I just feel like responsible breeders and rescues should coexist more.
Something I have seen as a problem in population centers is that many shelters (not gov funded pounds) will have large adoption forms with questions that are often classist. Many of these shelters basically rule out folks that do not own homes or do not have yards, making the barrier for adoption very high, especially for folks looking to get their first companion animal. A lot of the dogs at our local gov run pounds were large mixed bullies or high energy huskies - which can make excellent companion animals, but are often not suited to apartment living. I struggled a lot with the (what I would consider broken) adoption process, before going to an ethical breeder instead. I understand these folks running rescues want the best for their animals, but they are ruling out active and interested applicants. Edit: Have heard *anecdotally* that some shelters take cute, smaller dogs from the city/gov pounds and upcharge for them...
Thaaaank you oh my godddd I've been yapping about this forever because people just don't get it for some reason. it's honestly so refreshing to see someone talking about this
I got my pigeon from an ethical loft. This was my first dive into bird ownership and i knew that their behavior and body language was going to be difficult for me to recognize for a while. I chose to buy from this very well loved loft because i would get a bird who is already socialized, and from an owner i could keep in contact with to ask questions. I knew gettting a pigeon from a rescue would be a huge gamble in terms of trauma and stress. and it wouldnt be fair to the animal to get an inexperienced owner.
Excited to see you cover this topic..! My family has two (amish bred GAG) golden doodles and my aussie whos fairly ethically bred (unfortunatly her breeder got. weird once id already paid for her, will not be going back there) but the significant difference in the breeding is crazy, because my girl is so significactly more stable compared to the other dogs. but regardless, loved hearing you talk about this topic!
@@godlesssnowshoeOh no.. How exactly do the Amish breed their dogs? Do they breed them for “rare” colors or other aesthetics like mentioned in the video?
@pawsthefolf8842 they're pretty unique in their issues as it's due to the religion/ life style. they generally see all their animals as tools or means to an end over sentient creatures. pretty much all dogs from the amish are puppy mill dogs. they're just a method to support their community and do work, not creatures, to them. this is also generally the case with amish horses as well. obviously some amish people aren't like this and care about their animals, but it's generally best to avoid them as breeders of ANY animal even if there's the odd one who's not bad (and even when there are amish folks who genuinely care for their animals, their isolationist and anti-modernity lifestyle generally will not create well adujusted or healthy dogs, as they will not receive proper heath testing, vaccination, or exposure to various stimuli)
@@pawsthefolf8842 Usually just mass, I've personally never really seen rescues pick up anything "special," when buying any Amish animals. It is simply breeds as MANY as possible, use and abuse them and then rehome them, or breed many, sell many. NOT all Amish are bad ofc, this is just what I've seen in the case where they are. Like many horses coming from Amish auctions or sellers in general are just basic Belgians, but there are often a LOT of them, there's one rescue with just Amish Belgians some, were they take up about 80-90% of the rescue's intake. It is honestly scary to me how quickly they seem to be able to pump out even horses which have 1 foal at a time.
I’ve own multiple papered dogs from great breeders. I’ve also owned dogs from puppy mill breeders and shelters. By far the best dogs have been from the responsible breeders as they have been bred for temperament and family pets, not looks or from idiocy.
While watching I just wanna say-you don’t have to fully block the shape you’re coloring in procreate if it goes off the page (the line has to continue all the way through) in order for colordrop to work!!
I honestly rather have a breed dog, because I don't wanna have a box of surprises. I'm a person with anxiety and I constantly think on the "what if"s, I rather have a dog where I have a list of what possible things they might have and how they can or cannot be. I had a bad experience with a mixed breed dog and I honestly don't wanna have another mixed dog ever again That's just my own opinion and preference, if you don't agree then it's okay
Thank you for making this video it helped me realize that I wasn't as crazy as I thought. I've had a friend diss me and my dreams because I said I wasn't sure about getting a shelter dog. It made me feel terrible and made me question myself. Wanting to own a dog has been one of the few things that remained consistent in my life. I've never owned a dog before so buying one from a ethical breeder and gaining more experience seemed really appealing at the time. Currently I'm still debating pros and cons but regardless thanks for making the video!
Ethical breeders are worth the work of finding. My service dog is a breeder dog and I couldnt be happier with her and her temperment. I knew her health, her genetics, and her temperament from the day she was born. Ethical breeders are not the cause of shelters being full - they dont allow their dogs to enter shelters. Until we stop BYBing and spay and neuter our pets (or properly maintain any intact pets, however i am an advocate for spay/neuter because i believe that that is the best overall option because of the health risks and risks of unintentional litters, breakouts to chase other intact animals, fights, etc) we will not see a drop in the population.
i can't say much about dogs, but as someone who loves pet rats... ethical breeders are incredibly important. rats are very prone to health issues like cancer and respiratory illness. ethical breeders select for healthy rats who are more likely to live long and happy lives. the most noticeable difference is their behavior. rats from pet stores or rescues are often very skittish. even if you put in the work to tame them yourself, it will never be the same as a rat that has been selectively bred and held from birth. we need ethical selective breeding to ensure the health and quality of life of these animals.
Rescuing is a great thing but you also have a risk of having to pay tons of medical bills, pay for meds, etc. my dog mae was a rescue and she had tons of stomach issues. She came to us with awful sicknesses. Don’t get me wrong, I still miss & love her a lot but I know if someone else rescued her without the ability to pay for these bills she likely would’ve ended up in a very bad home, and that doesn’t mean the proposed owner wanted to hurt her. She was super sweet but had a lot of anxiety to the point at first she couldn’t even cross roads or go near people, she would run away from everything. That’s a lot of work, not everyone can slowly teach a dog it’s gonna be okay
I’ve held this opinion for a long time myself, especially after growing up with an adopted dog who had various seizures throughout his life and a very reactive dog. I loved them both, but they absolutely were not well-bred. I do not believe I could handle the financial risk or emotional stress that a shelter dog could inflict. I’ve also have been bitten and trampled by shelter-adopted dogs. I’ve also seen how amazing a well-bred dog can be in my cousin’s hunting dogs and a lineage of German Shepherds in my aunt’s family. Those dogs obeyed commands well, did not have horrible health issues, and were great with their owners. I was never bit by those dogs, and I never feared it. I think it’s great people can adopt, but for me, an ethically bred dog will always be my choice.
I just want to say this in regards to adopting. If you want to get a puppy, please PLEASE do your research. Some puppy mills actually disguise themselves as adoption centers. Best way to figure it out is the following: - If the puppy is under eight weeks old - if the price is in the thousands of dollars Please be careful and do research when looking for breeds to adopt!
My personal opinion is, purpose bred and healthy is the only exceptable thing, shelter dogs should have a chance at life they are already alive, but we should do our best to not breed animals that are born to be unhappy, there shouldn't be an animal that has to end up in a shelter, this is why we should spay and neuter animals whos genetics should not be passed on and if thats not possible just not let them breed. And while genetic variety is important, breeding of random animals is not good, you don't know what is being passed on might be healthy in all ways, but it might also have a genetic deffect that got passed on, breeds sometimes have higher likely hoods for certain issues, and this is what we should avoid, by learning what causes these issues and getting rid of that factor, even if it makes the animal 'uglier' we should only care of its health and happiness. I personally am more likely to get a shelter animal in the world we are in right now, they deserve their chance but i would never have issues with someone getting an animal from a ethical breeder, in fact, ethical breeders should also be supported, In a world where not a single unethical breeder even has a chance to make money healthier and happier animals are the result. Unfortunately people are both uneducated and ignorant, If you get an animal you need to be ready for what responsibility that animal brings to you and consider what that animal is actually there for, if you need a hearding dog you aren't going to a shelter, if you need a service dog you aren't going to a shelter. Sure there might be the perfect hearding dog in that shelter but there might also be a dog who's never going to be good at hearding, but instead would have made the perfect search and rescue dog if only given the chances, you never know and even when you have the animal you won't know what they would have been good for.
I think adopt don't shop applies better for cats. I can understand wanting a breed because that can predict the dog's personality and problems. With cats they're all the same. Yes there are breeds that are known to be sweet like mainecoons but with cats you're not going to get one with a potentially dangerous breed if you adopt. As long as you adopt a cat as a kitten and train it young your cat will be well behaved. Also don't declaw your cats for those thinking about getting one it's unethical. They will bite more and won't use the litter box because it hurts their paws In terms of the reptile world the OPPOSITE is actually more ethical. Buy from a breeder. "Adopting" is essentially taking an animal from its natural habitat and plopping it in a cage for the rest of its life. Reptiles that are bred grow up with enclosures being their natural habitat. In terms of taking a reptile that's being given away that... doesn't usually happen.
What is an "ethical breeder" is more vague than people let on a lot of the time. Even ones licensed or accredited can in reality be more akin to backyard breeders. It can be difficult for people to differentiate or identify what breeders are ethical. For every responsible breeder there is 1000 backyard breeders. The unavoidable fact that dogs are overpopulating and overbred needs a solution. I feel like people do not want to fully face the scope of the issues with dog breeding in general on all levels. I don't see people as villains for not adopting but I feel like we really need to find systemic solutions to the overabundance of dogs desperately and breeding inherently contributes to these issues on some level.
personally i think actively supporting ethical breeders instead of byb breeders is a way to get shelter populations down, as those dogs will never end up in shelters even when they need to be rehomed. properly bred dogs do not contribute to the issue, as they do not contribute to shelter populations. also i wouldn't say its necessarily vague what an ethical breeder is, theres pretty agreed apon standards in dog and breed communities. you just have to be willing to do the proper research to find out who those people are. as i said in the video, titles and OFA does not make an ethical breeder, but educating people on what to look for ( a goal of this video ) can help people understand theres more to consider than again just ofa and titles
@@godlesssnowshoe that and they don't produce many young in a year unless it is a full on business with employees or a devoted family business. So, many I see around me accumulate a waiting list of at least a dozen people before even putting a pairing together, to better guarantee they get adopted, also means first come first serve. Oh, and the sites don't have to be special, I usually find them mostly on free ad sites as it's one less fee to add on.. plus the ad can be there year round.
@@Reptile_Gecko oh yeah for sure lol, i was on a looong wait list for my golden and his litter was one of two they had that year, and my dog was from the later litter and was chosen for us
I'd worry more with doodles if I am being honest. Pitbulls and pittie mixes have a pretty good chance to be quiet docile, doodles are REALLY fucked up health wise and temperament wise as there's never been a good history with their breeding, it has always been backyard breeders and mills.
@@Reptile_Gecko They aren't recognized by kennel clubs and therefore aren't shown. Obviously, there are irresponsible purebred breeders too, but having absolutely no consistent standard for not only looks but more importantly for health and temperament makes bad doodle breeders exponentially more common.
its not about being disappointed with them, ive known a lot of sweet and happy shelter dogs. one of my friends ive known since childhood is now a professional dog trainer whos dog has been on TV. her first dog that motivated her to do it as a career was a little border collie mix named stella- who was a rescue. i loved that dog, she was honestly perfect. the point is not that shelter dogs cant be good companions or that they cant be happy. its that 1. there is nothing wromg with getting a dog from a good breeder. and 2. you dont know what to expect from a shelter dog, even if yes most rescue dogs will be happy with the right time and care, sometimes you want to know what to expect (especially for a working dog, a dog that will be around kids or other pets, or a dog for certain environments like apartments or the like) and no ammount of love and time will change the genetic issues that shelter animals are significantly more prone to. i actually had a shelter cat who passed away from a heart abnormality that we and his vet were unaware of, very suddenly. i am a mentally ill and fragile person. that is not something i think i could handle again. its extremely emotionally scarring to have to rehome and animal or even have one pass away unexpectedly, and those things are significantly more likley when you know nothing about the animal you're bringing home. i have the utmost respect for anyone who owns a rescue dog, but i need a dog that i know is emotionally stable, can be around cats, and that i know theyre temperament and energy levels are something i can handle with my own physical health issues. rescue is great, but so are ethical breeders
Hey just you know golden doodles are known as designer breeds of a poodle and golden retriever. That being said, Levi probably inherited more of a typical poodle personality. A common illness that poodle have is anxiety.
im aware of what a "designer dog" is but its not a real breed. its a marketing tactic to sell mutts to uneducated folks. doodles, pomskys, cockapoos etc are not breeds
I'm sorry but the whole breeding thing just feels wrong. It just feels like eugenics but with dog. I always found my animals growing up from shelters, trash cans, and hoarders. No matter what issues they came with I stuck with them like family, because they are family, not an accessory. People who buy the same breed of dog every 8 years make me feel sick. Losing a dog and then just getting a new one that looks and acts just like it?? It's not a stuffed toy, these are creatures that we've twisted to love us unconditionally. I will never buy a bred dog, and I will never respect anyone who gets some fancy breed for social status points. This is about the only video of yours I strongly disagree with, keep up the good work dude
we created dogs. it is our responsibility to make sure we do not give them painful and stressful lives. the point of this video is not at all that strays or shelter dogs are any less deserving of love, but that it is reasonable and ethical to want to know the health and temperament of a dog before bringing them into their home. not because they're accessories but because bringing an animal into your home for the next 10-15 years is a massive responsibility. also, people don't get the same breed of dog because they're a stuffed animal or every dog of a certain breed is the same?? certain breeds have higher energy levels, prey drive, eagerness to please, or different instincts regarding hearding/ chasing/ protectivness/ etc but that does not mean that people adopt multiple dogs of the same breed because they believe they're all the same or that they're replaceable. many people are very passionate about certain breeds, weather that be due to their temperaments, the history of the breed, or personal connection. I've met many golden retrievers who aren't at all like my golden, but generally goldens are eager to please, easy to train, and not reactive. if I ever get another golden, I'm sure that dog will differ from my dog Price, he has a lot of individual quirks or silly things, things he likes or he dosent, etc, thag have nothing to do with his breed. but by getting another golden far faaar down the line, I know that 1. this is a breed that works with my lifestyle and physical capabilities 2. they're dogs I know I can train with confidence, and therefore less likley to have behavioural issues 3. I am now acquainted with the community, I know how to find an ethical breeder, i know a breeder I already trust, and I know what to expect and where to seek advice or help. none of that is because I think my dog is better than a shelter dog or because I veiw my dog as an object. not to mention ethical breeders are some of the most passionate people about dogs, they literally dedicated their lives to making sure there are dogs that are guaranteed to live happy and healthy lives and that never HAVE TO end up in a hoarder home or behind a restaurant. again, dogs who are in that situation deserve just as much love and care as any other animal, but it IS a problem that we've allowed an animal we created, and that cant thrive on their own, to end up in situations like that to begin with. ethical breeding prevents dogs from going through that trauma. I will never own a shelter dog. I have massive respect for people who do, but i cannot. I have and will continue to adopt any cats i get from shelters, but I only will be having pure bred dogs from ethical breeders unless something in my life DURASTRICLY changes. I am physically disabled, and I am someone who like being prepared for an animal. I am best equipped to handle a dog that I know won't be reactive and pull my wheelchair into the street because I dont know what may or may not trigger that dog, that I know doesn't have unknown agression towards other animals and may hurt my other pets, that I know is unlikely to end up with massive vet bills due to unexpected genetic issues (my shelter cat, Rice, actually passed away as a result of an at the time unknown to us heart defect) I want a dog I know i will be safe around, and that I am best equipped to give a good and happy life. not just for me, but because i do not have the ability to give a traumatised or ill dog the support that it needs, especially without even knowing what those issues are before bringing said dog home. the vast majority of people getting ethically pure bred dogs do not veiw them as status symbols but as the best way to provide a good life for that animal and to have clear expectations when bringing a dog home. and NONE of that is even getting into working dogs either...
A really sad story was my grandparents adopted a dog from a shelter. But because she spent her entire life inside a cage all she would do was spin a circle. She wouldn't eat or drink. So they did the humane thing as put her down. All of the rescues we've from shelters we had were extremely anxious. I rescued a puppy while overseas from my neighbor who knows where they got him but after doing tests found out he was a purebred dog and everyone is always amazed by his colors and personality. The only type of dog I won't get again even from a good breeder is a pug. I'm on my second guy. My first one was the sweatiest thing when I was growing up with no health issues until the end of his life. My second one resource guards, can switch personalities on a dime and has skin issues often (I believe this has to do with an increase of inbreeding over the past 10 to 20 years).
the strict "adopt don't shop" mantra also doesn't take into account that some places just don't have rescue shelters. idk if it's only a thing in america or huge cities, but i have never seen a shelter in my life.
Lived in HK for several years, one shelter does exist on the peninsula but you cannot adopt any animal from them. And if it was possible, locals are not interessed into rescues anyway because they are deemed as "second-hand goods" I quote here several of my HK friends.
If you live in urban America (or atleast rustbelt urban America) there tend to be a lot of shelters but good luck finding anything other than bully breeds/other difficult breeds with restrictions like, no children, no cats, no other dogs, has to be a woman ect. Is it wrong to say you just want a pet and not a whole project
Also, a lot of shelter dogs suffer from trauma which makes owning them as a family dog hard as they often need fences to prevent escaping, and are not well behaved around small children and dogs.
Plus, all round just health and knowing the breed can be beneficial. Health isn't a priority for the breeders that put dogs in shelters especially puppy mills that can produce hundreds of puppies a year at times compared to ethical breeders producing usually 1-2 litters max some even just when they have a long enough waiting list.. anyways, ye dogs from ethical breeders you can better guarantee a healthy dog throughout puppyhood and adulthood, at times many even going strong into their elderly years especially when well cared for vs badly bred dogs that can at times decline very quickly, I know many who barely make it past 5.
And breed well, different breeders were bred for different purposes, have different levels of intelligence, prey drive, reactivity, etc, so knowing the breed can be beneficial for those less flexible, if you can potentially achieve the right hope for a wide range of potential dogs, then rescue in this context can be more flexible. But lets say you don't have a very flexible living condition or lifestyle, ideally knowing the bred would help you get a dog that actually fits you the first time rather than cycling / fostering many different dogs having to give up on them for the dog's wellbeing until you eventually find the one that fits what you can give.
Getting long, sorry for the ramble. Will also throw in people need to remember that just like how we have bad breeders, there is also bad rescues and sanctuaries out there, need to research places individually. One case had a woman lose all her current dogs and end up hospitalised because a rescue didn't properly vet the dog medically.. so ye, the risk is definitely there. Lying to get a dog rehomed I've also seen happen a lot, so the "testing," a dog has been through to get a perfect home could be faulty or even be fake information just to get the dog rehomed.
@@Reptile_Gecko ALL OF THIS. Very well said.
My mom loves corgis an insane amount, so that's the dog breed our family has had for the past 22 years. our first, Tucker, was from a backyard breeder, and though we love getting to raise him from a puppy, we decided to go through corgi rescue groups after that. our first rescue, Zigzagn died of kidney failure at 11, which is very young for a corgi. then Tucker died of DM at age 15. our second rescue, Ty, also died at age 11 of DM, just a few months ago. Mom is currently talking to an ethical corgi breeder who lives less than an hour away, is willing to provide any information Mom wants, and was incensed about how horrible it is to breed dogs without knowing their genetic dispositions to certain diseases. Apparently, it is very easy to avoid breeding a dog with genetic markers for DM.
adopting from shelters is great but sometimes people just really want a specific dog breed and can't find one at the shelter, as long as you look responsibly I really don't see an issue.
I can easily get a german shepherd at a shelter, but I chose to research an ethical breeder & purchased one instead. Because you can't guarantee good genetics & health without knowing what those genetics & health should look like in the first place (aka the parents of the dog having all of their health tests & temperament testing, etc)
I love working line German Shepherds, but you'll very rarely find a well bred one in a shelter. Too many neurotic shepherd-type dogs lately.
@@LimitlessJayson very true, we have a german shepherd who came from an ethical breeder, they have bred german shepherds for awhile and take what they do very seriously and he's probably one of the most intelligent and well behaved dogs we have ever had.
also as a disabled person who needs a certain amount of training already done and allergies to dander... if i want to adopt i have to be very fast and very lucky
I got my cat from a breeder because he had to be a specific breed, because of allergies
@@LimitlessJayson that is fine that you prefer to buy dogs rather than saving their lives. Just don’t ever condone anyone who DOES choose a shelter dog for the greater good. Because that’s all it is; they are trying to give an animal a second chance and save their life- despite what “health issues and genetics” they have. Those kinds of owners just genuinely want to love a dog because just like us, no dog is perfect and they’ve all got their little quirks annoyances or problems.
My parents got me my childhood dog, a female cocker spaniel, from an unwanted litter from an elderly couple, and she turned out to be the best dog we could imagine, very well behaved, healthy and with a good temperament.
I didn't realize how lucky I was until I started volounteering at a local shelter. Me and my family even tried to adopt another dog from a rescue, and from what the voluteer had told us he was supposed to be a perfect match for us, but we ended up having to give the dog back due to his behavior problems and poor temperament, which the rescue promptly ommited or straight up lied about. I later heard form a qualified dog trainer that it is common in my country to see rescues and shelters give problematic, and sometimes dangerous dogs to people who aren't able to handle them. It seriuosly makes me mad because then we adopters become the bad guys if we decide to give the dog back.
After this experience I have decided that my next dogs will definetly come from an etichal breeder, I have no desire to even get in contact with dishonest people like that, which most of the time they don't even know how to handle dogs themselves.
I feel like the best way to fix shelter overpopulation is to encourage responsible dog ownership, whether that be adopting from a shelter or buying from a *RESPONSIBLE* breeder.
I think we should aim to decrease the rate of animals going into shelters as opposed to trying to increase the rate of animals coming out of shelters, which could cause irresponsible adoption and wouldn't be in the dogs' best interest.
I show dogs. Belgian Tervurens (Malinois with a mullet). Therefore if I am looking for a new dog, I will get one from a small, ethical breeder. But that doesn't mean I'm anti rescue. If I'm driving down the road and see a lost/stray dog, I will take them to the shelter. If they don't have a chip and I can financially handle another dog, guess what Tervs, you just got a new sibling.
I just feel like responsible breeders and rescues should coexist more.
“Malinois with a mullet” they almost made me choke on my water😂
@@Silver_Ever and then you also have the Belgian sheepdog, or emo Malinois, and then the weird curly-haired step-child, the Laekenois
HELP EMO MAL IS SO FUNNY
Something I have seen as a problem in population centers is that many shelters (not gov funded pounds) will have large adoption forms with questions that are often classist. Many of these shelters basically rule out folks that do not own homes or do not have yards, making the barrier for adoption very high, especially for folks looking to get their first companion animal. A lot of the dogs at our local gov run pounds were large mixed bullies or high energy huskies - which can make excellent companion animals, but are often not suited to apartment living.
I struggled a lot with the (what I would consider broken) adoption process, before going to an ethical breeder instead. I understand these folks running rescues want the best for their animals, but they are ruling out active and interested applicants.
Edit: Have heard *anecdotally* that some shelters take cute, smaller dogs from the city/gov pounds and upcharge for them...
Thaaaank you oh my godddd I've been yapping about this forever because people just don't get it for some reason. it's honestly so refreshing to see someone talking about this
I got my pigeon from an ethical loft. This was my first dive into bird ownership and i knew that their behavior and body language was going to be difficult for me to recognize for a while.
I chose to buy from this very well loved loft because i would get a bird who is already socialized, and from an owner i could keep in contact with to ask questions.
I knew gettting a pigeon from a rescue would be a huge gamble in terms of trauma and stress. and it wouldnt be fair to the animal to get an inexperienced owner.
Excited to see you cover this topic..! My family has two (amish bred GAG) golden doodles and my aussie whos fairly ethically bred (unfortunatly her breeder got. weird once id already paid for her, will not be going back there) but the significant difference in the breeding is crazy, because my girl is so significactly more stable compared to the other dogs.
but regardless, loved hearing you talk about this topic!
oh no amish dogs make me so sad :( not the dogs fault obviously but they hurt my heart 😭
@@godlesssnowshoeOh no.. How exactly do the Amish breed their dogs? Do they breed them for “rare” colors or other aesthetics like mentioned in the video?
@pawsthefolf8842 they're pretty unique in their issues as it's due to the religion/ life style. they generally see all their animals as tools or means to an end over sentient creatures. pretty much all dogs from the amish are puppy mill dogs. they're just a method to support their community and do work, not creatures, to them. this is also generally the case with amish horses as well.
obviously some amish people aren't like this and care about their animals, but it's generally best to avoid them as breeders of ANY animal even if there's the odd one who's not bad (and even when there are amish folks who genuinely care for their animals, their isolationist and anti-modernity lifestyle generally will not create well adujusted or healthy dogs, as they will not receive proper heath testing, vaccination, or exposure to various stimuli)
@@godlesssnowshoe no literally 😭 when one of them got to us he was literally skin and bones it’s just so. Heart breaking
@@pawsthefolf8842 Usually just mass, I've personally never really seen rescues pick up anything "special," when buying any Amish animals. It is simply breeds as MANY as possible, use and abuse them and then rehome them, or breed many, sell many. NOT all Amish are bad ofc, this is just what I've seen in the case where they are.
Like many horses coming from Amish auctions or sellers in general are just basic Belgians, but there are often a LOT of them, there's one rescue with just Amish Belgians some, were they take up about 80-90% of the rescue's intake. It is honestly scary to me how quickly they seem to be able to pump out even horses which have 1 foal at a time.
I’ve own multiple papered dogs from great breeders. I’ve also owned dogs from puppy mill breeders and shelters. By far the best dogs have been from the responsible breeders as they have been bred for temperament and family pets, not looks or from idiocy.
Thank you so much for this video! This information is hard to find on RUclips especially, I'm really glad it's here to help educate people!
While watching I just wanna say-you don’t have to fully block the shape you’re coloring in procreate if it goes off the page (the line has to continue all the way through) in order for colordrop to work!!
I honestly rather have a breed dog, because I don't wanna have a box of surprises. I'm a person with anxiety and I constantly think on the "what if"s, I rather have a dog where I have a list of what possible things they might have and how they can or cannot be. I had a bad experience with a mixed breed dog and I honestly don't wanna have another mixed dog ever again
That's just my own opinion and preference, if you don't agree then it's okay
Thank you for making this video it helped me realize that I wasn't as crazy as I thought. I've had a friend diss me and my dreams because I said I wasn't sure about getting a shelter dog. It made me feel terrible and made me question myself. Wanting to own a dog has been one of the few things that remained consistent in my life. I've never owned a dog before so buying one from a ethical breeder and gaining more experience seemed really appealing at the time. Currently I'm still debating pros and cons but regardless thanks for making the video!
Ethical breeders are worth the work of finding. My service dog is a breeder dog and I couldnt be happier with her and her temperment. I knew her health, her genetics, and her temperament from the day she was born. Ethical breeders are not the cause of shelters being full - they dont allow their dogs to enter shelters. Until we stop BYBing and spay and neuter our pets (or properly maintain any intact pets, however i am an advocate for spay/neuter because i believe that that is the best overall option because of the health risks and risks of unintentional litters, breakouts to chase other intact animals, fights, etc) we will not see a drop in the population.
i can't say much about dogs, but as someone who loves pet rats... ethical breeders are incredibly important. rats are very prone to health issues like cancer and respiratory illness. ethical breeders select for healthy rats who are more likely to live long and happy lives. the most noticeable difference is their behavior. rats from pet stores or rescues are often very skittish. even if you put in the work to tame them yourself, it will never be the same as a rat that has been selectively bred and held from birth. we need ethical selective breeding to ensure the health and quality of life of these animals.
Rescuing is a great thing but you also have a risk of having to pay tons of medical bills, pay for meds, etc. my dog mae was a rescue and she had tons of stomach issues. She came to us with awful sicknesses. Don’t get me wrong, I still miss & love her a lot but I know if someone else rescued her without the ability to pay for these bills she likely would’ve ended up in a very bad home, and that doesn’t mean the proposed owner wanted to hurt her. She was super sweet but had a lot of anxiety to the point at first she couldn’t even cross roads or go near people, she would run away from everything. That’s a lot of work, not everyone can slowly teach a dog it’s gonna be okay
I’ve held this opinion for a long time myself, especially after growing up with an adopted dog who had various seizures throughout his life and a very reactive dog. I loved them both, but they absolutely were not well-bred. I do not believe I could handle the financial risk or emotional stress that a shelter dog could inflict. I’ve also have been bitten and trampled by shelter-adopted dogs.
I’ve also seen how amazing a well-bred dog can be in my cousin’s hunting dogs and a lineage of German Shepherds in my aunt’s family. Those dogs obeyed commands well, did not have horrible health issues, and were great with their owners. I was never bit by those dogs, and I never feared it.
I think it’s great people can adopt, but for me, an ethically bred dog will always be my choice.
I just want to say this in regards to adopting.
If you want to get a puppy, please PLEASE do your research. Some puppy mills actually disguise themselves as adoption centers. Best way to figure it out is the following:
- If the puppy is under eight weeks old
- if the price is in the thousands of dollars
Please be careful and do research when looking for breeds to adopt!
My personal opinion is, purpose bred and healthy is the only exceptable thing, shelter dogs should have a chance at life they are already alive, but we should do our best to not breed animals that are born to be unhappy, there shouldn't be an animal that has to end up in a shelter, this is why we should spay and neuter animals whos genetics should not be passed on and if thats not possible just not let them breed. And while genetic variety is important, breeding of random animals is not good, you don't know what is being passed on might be healthy in all ways, but it might also have a genetic deffect that got passed on, breeds sometimes have higher likely hoods for certain issues, and this is what we should avoid, by learning what causes these issues and getting rid of that factor, even if it makes the animal 'uglier' we should only care of its health and happiness.
I personally am more likely to get a shelter animal in the world we are in right now, they deserve their chance but i would never have issues with someone getting an animal from a ethical breeder, in fact, ethical breeders should also be supported, In a world where not a single unethical breeder even has a chance to make money healthier and happier animals are the result. Unfortunately people are both uneducated and ignorant, If you get an animal you need to be ready for what responsibility that animal brings to you and consider what that animal is actually there for, if you need a hearding dog you aren't going to a shelter, if you need a service dog you aren't going to a shelter. Sure there might be the perfect hearding dog in that shelter but there might also be a dog who's never going to be good at hearding, but instead would have made the perfect search and rescue dog if only given the chances, you never know and even when you have the animal you won't know what they would have been good for.
I think adopt don't shop applies better for cats. I can understand wanting a breed because that can predict the dog's personality and problems. With cats they're all the same. Yes there are breeds that are known to be sweet like mainecoons but with cats you're not going to get one with a potentially dangerous breed if you adopt. As long as you adopt a cat as a kitten and train it young your cat will be well behaved.
Also don't declaw your cats for those thinking about getting one it's unethical. They will bite more and won't use the litter box because it hurts their paws
In terms of the reptile world the OPPOSITE is actually more ethical. Buy from a breeder. "Adopting" is essentially taking an animal from its natural habitat and plopping it in a cage for the rest of its life. Reptiles that are bred grow up with enclosures being their natural habitat. In terms of taking a reptile that's being given away that... doesn't usually happen.
but people need wellbred stable cats too, especially allergy friendly ones.
What is an "ethical breeder" is more vague than people let on a lot of the time. Even ones licensed or accredited can in reality be more akin to backyard breeders. It can be difficult for people to differentiate or identify what breeders are ethical. For every responsible breeder there is 1000 backyard breeders. The unavoidable fact that dogs are overpopulating and overbred needs a solution. I feel like people do not want to fully face the scope of the issues with dog breeding in general on all levels. I don't see people as villains for not adopting but I feel like we really need to find systemic solutions to the overabundance of dogs desperately and breeding inherently contributes to these issues on some level.
personally i think actively supporting ethical breeders instead of byb breeders is a way to get shelter populations down, as those dogs will never end up in shelters even when they need to be rehomed. properly bred dogs do not contribute to the issue, as they do not contribute to shelter populations.
also i wouldn't say its necessarily vague what an ethical breeder is, theres pretty agreed apon standards in dog and breed communities. you just have to be willing to do the proper research to find out who those people are. as i said in the video, titles and OFA does not make an ethical breeder, but educating people on what to look for ( a goal of this video ) can help people understand theres more to consider than again just ofa and titles
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO 🙏🙏🙏
I have only ever heard of responsible breeders 1 other time, I'm assuming it's not common?
theres plenty of responsible breeders, it just takes people doing their due diligence when looking.
@@godlesssnowshoe that and they don't produce many young in a year unless it is a full on business with employees or a devoted family business. So, many I see around me accumulate a waiting list of at least a dozen people before even putting a pairing together, to better guarantee they get adopted, also means first come first serve.
Oh, and the sites don't have to be special, I usually find them mostly on free ad sites as it's one less fee to add on.. plus the ad can be there year round.
@@Reptile_Gecko oh yeah for sure lol, i was on a looong wait list for my golden and his litter was one of two they had that year, and my dog was from the later litter and was chosen for us
The discord link is broken for me!
The shelters are choked with Pit Bulls and Pit Bull mixes. If you don't want that in your home, you have to buy a dog.
I'd worry more with doodles if I am being honest. Pitbulls and pittie mixes have a pretty good chance to be quiet docile, doodles are REALLY fucked up health wise and temperament wise as there's never been a good history with their breeding, it has always been backyard breeders and mills.
@@Reptile_Gecko They aren't recognized by kennel clubs and therefore aren't shown. Obviously, there are irresponsible purebred breeders too, but having absolutely no consistent standard for not only looks but more importantly for health and temperament makes bad doodle breeders exponentially more common.
I have never been disapointed by shelter dogs, just give them time and love and they'll be happy in your pack.
its not about being disappointed with them, ive known a lot of sweet and happy shelter dogs. one of my friends ive known since childhood is now a professional dog trainer whos dog has been on TV. her first dog that motivated her to do it as a career was a little border collie mix named stella- who was a rescue. i loved that dog, she was honestly perfect.
the point is not that shelter dogs cant be good companions or that they cant be happy. its that 1. there is nothing wromg with getting a dog from a good breeder. and 2. you dont know what to expect from a shelter dog, even if yes most rescue dogs will be happy with the right time and care, sometimes you want to know what to expect (especially for a working dog, a dog that will be around kids or other pets, or a dog for certain environments like apartments or the like) and no ammount of love and time will change the genetic issues that shelter animals are significantly more prone to. i actually had a shelter cat who passed away from a heart abnormality that we and his vet were unaware of, very suddenly. i am a mentally ill and fragile person. that is not something i think i could handle again.
its extremely emotionally scarring to have to rehome and animal or even have one pass away unexpectedly, and those things are significantly more likley when you know nothing about the animal you're bringing home.
i have the utmost respect for anyone who owns a rescue dog, but i need a dog that i know is emotionally stable, can be around cats, and that i know theyre temperament and energy levels are something i can handle with my own physical health issues.
rescue is great, but so are ethical breeders
@@godlesssnowshoeWell said.
IMO adopting is the best thing to do, but shopping responsibly is moral.
Hey just you know golden doodles are known as designer breeds of a poodle and golden retriever. That being said, Levi probably inherited more of a typical poodle personality. A common illness that poodle have is anxiety.
im aware of what a "designer dog" is but its not a real breed. its a marketing tactic to sell mutts to uneducated folks. doodles, pomskys, cockapoos etc are not breeds
@@godlesssnowshoe Thank you for your input and I didn't know that they were not classified as such. I guess I learned something new today.
I'm sorry but the whole breeding thing just feels wrong. It just feels like eugenics but with dog. I always found my animals growing up from shelters, trash cans, and hoarders. No matter what issues they came with I stuck with them like family, because they are family, not an accessory. People who buy the same breed of dog every 8 years make me feel sick. Losing a dog and then just getting a new one that looks and acts just like it?? It's not a stuffed toy, these are creatures that we've twisted to love us unconditionally. I will never buy a bred dog, and I will never respect anyone who gets some fancy breed for social status points.
This is about the only video of yours I strongly disagree with, keep up the good work dude
we created dogs. it is our responsibility to make sure we do not give them painful and stressful lives. the point of this video is not at all that strays or shelter dogs are any less deserving of love, but that it is reasonable and ethical to want to know the health and temperament of a dog before bringing them into their home. not because they're accessories but because bringing an animal into your home for the next 10-15 years is a massive responsibility.
also, people don't get the same breed of dog because they're a stuffed animal or every dog of a certain breed is the same?? certain breeds have higher energy levels, prey drive, eagerness to please, or different instincts regarding hearding/ chasing/ protectivness/ etc but that does not mean that people adopt multiple dogs of the same breed because they believe they're all the same or that they're replaceable.
many people are very passionate about certain breeds, weather that be due to their temperaments, the history of the breed, or personal connection. I've met many golden retrievers who aren't at all like my golden, but generally goldens are eager to please, easy to train, and not reactive.
if I ever get another golden, I'm sure that dog will differ from my dog Price, he has a lot of individual quirks or silly things, things he likes or he dosent, etc, thag have nothing to do with his breed.
but by getting another golden far faaar down the line, I know that 1. this is a breed that works with my lifestyle and physical capabilities
2. they're dogs I know I can train with confidence, and therefore less likley to have behavioural issues
3. I am now acquainted with the community, I know how to find an ethical breeder, i know a breeder I already trust, and I know what to expect and where to seek advice or help.
none of that is because I think my dog is better than a shelter dog or because I veiw my dog as an object.
not to mention ethical breeders are some of the most passionate people about dogs, they literally dedicated their lives to making sure there are dogs that are guaranteed to live happy and healthy lives and that never HAVE TO end up in a hoarder home or behind a restaurant.
again, dogs who are in that situation deserve just as much love and care as any other animal, but it IS a problem that we've allowed an animal we created, and that cant thrive on their own, to end up in situations like that to begin with. ethical breeding prevents dogs from going through that trauma.
I will never own a shelter dog. I have massive respect for people who do, but i cannot. I have and will continue to adopt any cats i get from shelters, but I only will be having pure bred dogs from ethical breeders unless something in my life DURASTRICLY changes.
I am physically disabled, and I am someone who like being prepared for an animal. I am best equipped to handle a dog that I know won't be reactive and pull my wheelchair into the street because I dont know what may or may not trigger that dog, that I know doesn't have unknown agression towards other animals and may hurt my other pets, that I know is unlikely to end up with massive vet bills due to unexpected genetic issues (my shelter cat, Rice, actually passed away as a result of an at the time unknown to us heart defect)
I want a dog I know i will be safe around, and that I am best equipped to give a good and happy life. not just for me, but because i do not have the ability to give a traumatised or ill dog the support that it needs, especially without even knowing what those issues are before bringing said dog home.
the vast majority of people getting ethically pure bred dogs do not veiw them as status symbols but as the best way to provide a good life for that animal and to have clear expectations when bringing a dog home.
and NONE of that is even getting into working dogs either...
Do you support animal abuse?
tf why would i support that??