Are Doodle Breeders Ethical & Responsible?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Today Uncle Stonnie is asking the question, are Doodle (Poodle Cross) breeders ethical and responsible. In this video Stonnie lays out some of his opinions related to dog breeding in general and specifically asks the question of how ethical and responsible dog breeding should be defined.
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I’ve fostered a lot of dogs for our local shelter through the years and I’ve seen a lot of variety in dogs. Most of the dogs have been mixed breeds, but not all. Some of them I did not know the history of and others I did. Most of those shelter dogs ended up being great pets, but some have needed special homes. I recently adopted a standard labradoodle who has a straight coat that sheds. She was 9 months old when I adopted her. She is incredibly intelligent and loyal, which makes her a special dog. She is very attached to her family and she has been wonderful with all people. She especially loves children. She is extremely quiet. I never hear a peep out of her, even if someone bangs on our door. However, the bad thing is that she is over reactive with other dogs. Unfortunately, she gets triggered at times by other dogs and when she attacks them she tears them up. It is very sporadic. She can get along with a dog for 6 months and then she suddenly attacks them violently. I do not know much about her background or her breeder. I was told her first owner was a college student who realized his apartment was too small for such a big, boisterous puppy. My guess is that she has inherited a tendency to be reactive from one of her parents. However, I also think that her early puppy-hood was less than ideal. Those two things together have created a dangerous situation for her and for us as her current owners since we have to keep her separate from other dogs.
You're cool Dennis.. Love that yellow lab❤.. Can you bring a Dalmatian.. How to increase the recall thing.. They're of course not very good bat that.
A question for @StonieDennis- I am an experienced trainer of hunting labs nearing retirement. I like the temperament of English labs as opposed to the fire breathers I have owned and hunted with. Are there any English labs that make service able hunting dogs? I am an active old man of 62 that owns some acreage and likes to be outdoors. I have spent a lot of time with the dogs I raised. Thanks in advance.
As a purebred poodle owner with a wonderful toy poodle I say, JUST GET A POODLE. As someone who’s first dog I trained was a cross between a cockerpoo and a mini-schnauzer I get it. I was fourteen, it was 1981 and that was the first dog I ever trained and he was one of the smartest dogs I ever had. I think a big part of his sucsess was I had just turned 14 in August and I had nearly a month to train him and all the free time aworking class latchkey kid in 1981 had. I literally rode my Schwinn Varsity over a mile to a horse farm where I did slave labor for an $8 a half-hour riding lesson. He was a pup and he stayed in that bike basket for a newly turned 14 yo kid. My mom helped and she was a decent amatuer dog trainer but Chester was still the best trained dog I’ve ever had. My other dogs have been breeds that practically trained themselves. Working-class NSD Aussies in the early 90s before they were AKC recongnized and *very* well-bred Great Danes in my older years (aka right now). They mostly trained themselves it felt like. I feel like some instinct comes into it. But since I’ve had a mini-poodle and two toy poodles I just feel like if you want the charactarkstics of a poodle just get w poodle. They are wonderfull
The horse farm 😅 part. Ooo lol!
I loved reading this.
Chester was one of those serendipity dogs.
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I don’t say just get a poodle, I say “research the correct breed and get that “ because most ppl who want a doodle won’t be able to handle a poodle
Agreed! Just Get A Poodle!! They are the best dogs and heck their “doodles” are usually 75%+ Poodle anyway, so just get a poodle!! Then it Definitely doesn’t shed and grooming is Way easier. They are the 2nd smartest dog breed and so loving!
@@meowmagiicmost people that want a doodle can't handle any dog really.
@@Mixxie67 a good poodle breeder would never breed their dogs with a golden, lab , or whatever else is the fad. Same with a golden breeder.,a good golden breeder would never breed their dogs with a poodle. These doodles or otherwise mutts are basically a reject poodle and a reject golden or whatever else. So these mixed breed dogs are just rejects of both of whatever breeds
If everyone had someone like Stonie in their life the world would be a better place.
@randomletter-5i4 lmao that’s awesome!!
Like, comment and subscribe. Gotta get those Google algorithms working 😁
Sadly, we are in really short supply of people with his character. We are outnumbered. By a lot.
@randomletter-5i4 That's a wonderful idea! 👏
@@C.Hawkshaw I already did years ago. Lol
Most doodle breeders market them as 'accessories '... low maintenance, clean, friendly..
This lures a lot of amateur owners
Plush stuffed teddy bears are even more low maintenance 😅. Doesn't need food, vet, exercise. Shouldn't bark.
Oh, just had a story of someone we know buying a puppy because they were told it was hypo allergenic and guess what it’s not.
Now they’re trying to figure out what to do with it and expecting a baby. I would say whoever sold them that puppy is an unethical breeder because they didn’t even get to know the peoples situation before placing that puppy with them.
We once had someone come to walk through our city pound when I used to work there ages ago she was looking for a cat. We had several very nice ones that really needed to go to make room for more impound if they were to show up. And , she kept making excuses about why she didn’t want this one or that one and it was absolutely absurd. (this one was too outgoing that was not outgoing enough. This one had too much hair, etc. etc. As cats are going to act completely normal when they are in a pound situation, and one of the best kittens we had was just coming into her first heat so she was a little “off” in her behavior, but she was absolutely a cat. I would’ve taken home in a heartbeat if my husband wasn’t allergic, and if we had an apartment that allowed cats) I was about to tell her to go to Walmart and get a cat in the toy aisle. There are way too many people buying pets for reasons like these.
Also they say they have great temperaments and even make great service dogs when they have no way to know how the pups will turn out
if only they knew how expensive grooming them is and how often you still have to do it at home as well in order to stay on top of it. Sadly those breeders don't care if these poor creatures end up living their lives in a suit of mats being brush aggressive and needing pills to even get a bath
Glad you mentioned breeders (of smush faced dogs who can’t breathe ) not caring about dog health
At nearly 70 years old, I chose a Lab because I felt he was “trainable” at my level of ability. I took a deployed sailor’s year old bernedoodle for 18 months and realized he was more difficult to train into our lifestyle. He didn’t learn from a mentor dog relationship, making it really difficult for me. After our time together the Berne was incrementally better behavior wise, but still had moments where he just “lost his mind” , things I couldn’t figure out that no one, including multiple emails to stonnie, could give me an answer to. So the less fur “benefit” had very little bearing when it came to the adoption of a ten month old field bred lab. His lack of socialization was something I could work with, at an almost predictable outcome. The mentor dog relationship was an immediate hook up, to the point where he wants to please the mentor dog as much as me. The outcome is clear after a year in multiple locations, farm and field, and city downtowns. In most situations we tend to purchase things based upon how they look, but with a dog, for me at my age, that has very little bearing on my decisions now. After 26 adoptive dogs, these might be my last two, that’s okay as Harry Callahan said, “A man has got to know his limitations”.
💥👍👏💥👏👍💥 What a WONDERFUL example of being a positive part of society in general AND an even better example of logical thinking and interaction within the dog owners' community!
I’ve been in horse and dog world for a long time and it fascinates me how different the breeder responsibility is. In the horse world it’s 100% caveat emptor. You have to pay for a vet exam, blood work, X-rays if you want them and usually it runs around 700-1000$. If the horse fails, money gone. Next buyer comes along and repeats. Some buyers can’t afford this take a chance and if horse is lame later, was drugged at time of tryout they don’t really have a recourse. Happens all the time. I’ve always thought its great when dog breeders offer health certs, guarantees, image hips in vulnerable breeds, think through genetic traits. You don’t see that in horse breeding. The last horse I purchased, I did 9 vet checks on failed horses with problems- joint issues, OCDs in the joints that would affect soundness were found in all of them.
Im glad you are making this video. I have a much loved Bernadoodle-my first dog that wasn’t a rescue. I’ve questioned the process ever since I got her. She is not like any dog I’ve been around.
I got her from a “famous”breeder from S. Carolina who is not what they presented themselves to be.
She is like a cheerleader/line backer personality wise. But i live in a forest and she is a great forest dog!
I like standard poodles and I like retrievers, Bernese etc, so I’m not opposed to crossing them. However, I have yet to find a doodle breeder that performs the same genetic health tests (skeletal, eyes, etc etc) that a good purebred AKC breeder does. Maybe they exist, but the OFA (Orthopedic Foundation of America) states that doodles have higher incidences of hip dysplasia than their pure bred relatives.
Genetic diversity is fantastic, but if you breed a poodle with health issues to a Lab with health issues, you still get a puppy with problems. This is a call for ALL breeders to step up, please health and temperament test your breeding stock. The dogs deserve it.
I do not believe the current genetic testing protocols are a net positive for dogs, in the aggregate.
@@StonnieDennis That surprises me. Why do you say that?
The hip issues are real. Sorta agree w Stonnie. The genetic tests are a) not determinative b) false impression of health risks-true of human tests too. TMI this thread. Nothing beats knowing the dogs canine relatives but that’s tough to impossible for avg buyer, and papers are easily forged.
@@Gzluweez Maybe I’ve just been lucky, but I’ve had 4 large dogs (retrievers and giant breeds) that have had great hips with very limited arthritis throughout their lives. They’ve all come from parents with good or excellent hips through generations certified by the OFA. When I say my dogs’ have had great hips, I mean that they were pain free and enjoying walks/running daily and jumping in/out of SUV’s until their deaths.
Also, the OFA has its own website that displays the results of all dogs that have had testing done under its scheme. The vet doing the x-rays sends the images directly to OFA, so the breeder is not involved (cheating is nearly impossible). If you check the OFA website, the information is always accurate. You should always double check all breeders statements regarding health on the OFA website.
That is a beautiful English cream golden retriever. My favorite dogs!
Wow, so refreshing. Thank you for this video.
I love my doodles. My one is a giant Schnauzer Poodle mix. He is my angel. I put time into training him and socializing him, his breeder was a veterinary technician who health tested her dogs and put a lot of work into them, he is literally the perfect dog.
Then there is Hopper. He is a schnoodle mutt because I have no idea what is in him. He came from a poor backyard breeder and was neglected, skin and bone when I got him at one year old for dirt cheap. I got him because I saw he was sick and couldn't leave him behind. He has problems. He hates people and larger dogs, and eats everything compulsively because he was almost starved to death.
Bad quality doodles exist because of bad breeders and lazy people buying them thinking they'll be easy, but I think it's important to remember that that doesn't make the dogs life any more valuable and deserving of love, they just got delt a bad hand in life.
I’m a little confused! I’ve had 16 dogs in 74 years. Several types of pups. 2yellow labs, 6 Bostons, 5 Cavaliers, Field English cocker, 2 ,American cocker, Beagle, Bouvier der Flander., and have babysat several others, 2 toy fox terriers, Field golden, Golden Retriever, Labradoodle, Yorkie poo.
I think the “secret” is in the DNA of each dog, regardless of the specific pedigree. Most conscientious breeders will do, and keep extensive pedigree records. But as with people, some dogs come into the world with personality trait mishaps, medical problems that affect confirmation or cause mental problems that cannot be undone. I have had 2 dogs with a mental trait that could not be lived with other dogs or people. I was advised by vets to put those 2 down as 2 yr olds. Everything was tried before we reached those decisions. One of the English stock yellow labs had total hip displaysa ,at 1 yr. But fortunately I could surrender her to folks who could afford both hip replacements. At the time, we couldn’t afford the cost.
I guess, I agree with what you are saying, Stonnie. But I think the longer you live, or the more you breed, the more you will see evidence of God’s masterful hand in everything. Some things are out of our hands.
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I have a wonderful standard poodle/golden. Unfortunately, he needs medication for seizures and has other health issues from time to time. He loves people and other critters, so I'm careful to give him lots of social opportunities - daily park runs, twice/week day care, and obedience/agility classes. Other than that, he's pretty laid back, and always kind.
I agree with this but I also believe that there are dog breeds that fit the roles of what most Doodles are meant to fulfill with a degree of predictability in terms of size and temperament Eg. Puli, Lagotto Romagnolo, Curly Coated Retriever, Irish Water Spaniel, Bichon Frisé etc. Purebred or Doodle, so long as your breeder has made the effort to provide health checks re parents’ hips, eyes, hearts etc. (Regardless of if parents are the same breed or different) and are doing their best to provide an environment that exposes them to different experiences than you will get a dog you will enjoy for a long time.
Great idea sprinklers to simulate rainy conditions 👍🏾
Yoshi the Wonderdog is a no shed schnauzer and we go on lots of adventures and is is well trained thanks to you! Correct a lot of the people in our schnauzer group use out to pee in backyard as walks😡 Then they get multiples more than they have hands to walk and wonder why they are crazy will not stop chew/bark etc
They also expect the dog to come potty trained and not chew in the home
They do not understand that no matter the dog the foundation has to be there to get great results as a adult nose to toes time outside and meet new people is critical
Learn how to encounter a lake, a tractor the car, a bus, a bike or whatever they will encounter in your neighborhood whatever your neighborhood may be
I would say very important ethical/responsible means the dog is healthy and not a 4 yr lifespan because of congenital defects that are preventable I would say is more important than a lot of the superficial things that people judge on
I think it also matters how much contact and socializing the puppy gets before coming to you
I think we can overjudge in any category but health and wellness is most important
I have an F1 cockapoo. He is very smart and a good family dog. We used the crazy walk training method for healing, so he walks like a show dog. We also feed him meat, so he has a beautiful muscular body at the senior age of sixteen. I think his breeders were unethical, because they insisted that I buy him without meeting him, and he was very sick with parvo as a puppy. Immediately when I met him I knew that I would have chosen a different personality, but
he was ours, and, like children, you cannot always choose personality. I am also grateful that we got him, because he would not be healthy and alive today with the care most family dogs receive.
He is sooooo right! More people should listen to Stonnie.
so true! but people who breed doodles though generally don’t care about the home their dogs are going too, which is why there isn’t such thing as an “ethical doodle” breeder. on top of that, their temperament is so prone to being unpredictable depending on who the parents are.
You are right about the people buying certain types of dogs. Same here in Europe.
Large dogs with short fur are mostly well trained and get their adventures and play time. In my country is also a little exam required to get a large dog.
Small dogs or dogs with fancy but unnatural fur or breeds with short noses are often not well trained, misunderstood and therefore fearful. They are often accessoires, not companions.
But: Labradors make an exception here. They are sold as easy going and family friendly and therefore often also not well trained and accessoires.
I have followed you since I got my boy Harry eight years ago. He's a yellow "english" lab. - My fatty Harry is far from lazy - he loves to swim and run- he's just choosy about how and when he partakes. My black field lab Annie (skinny as a rail - can't keep weight on her) was given to me from a hunting plantation because she was not cutting it as a retriever - lived outside for her first 2.5 years ( she was trained by a cattle prod - !!! - no poop she was damaged). She is the sweetest most well behaved girl, loves to run and swim - I'm so lucky to have gotten her! Of course you are correct about early training and socialization - starts with the breeder. I also follow puppy culture - as a breeder she starts with the bitch even during pregnancy and then takes care to make sure the puppies are exposed to environments and people so that when they get to their homes they are on their way to being well adjusted dogs. I am just lucky that my girl Annie was able to overcome. As for doodles - folks are free to spend their money on whatever they want. Also, so loved your video about how to choose the right dog for you. Thank you for your videos!
most people who describe the qualities they want from their doodle are actually describing a poodle :/
I think it’s horrible and disgusting how they’re ruining the breeds of mixed matching all these different dogs. if you want a poodle get a poodle if you wanna Labrador get a Labrador actually more people should adopt. It’s very sad and selfish.
There's no such thing as bad dogs; just bad dog owners. Love your videos. Would love for you to meet my 1yo Goldendoodle. He's already the best dog I've ever had.
I have a Goldendoodle, and I feel the same way. I hear this from other Poodle cross owners all the time.
There are bad dogs for most people. Most people shouldn’t have working dogs. No one should own breeds bred for fighting.
This was my immediate response as well. That's not saying however that there are dogs of all breeds that can have temperamental issues at times. As to the breeder issues, yes, there are greedy unethical breeders that can contribute to problem dogs be it temperament and or health issues.
I think doodles are great dogs as long as they are bred responsibly - healthy dog to healthy dog. There is also a responsibility for these breeders to really impress upon potential buyers the high grooming expectations for doodles.
Then of course it is down to the owner to be responsible to make a decision about buying a dog, doodle or otherwise, based on their lifestyle and needs, and provide the necessary training and care required.
Too many people base their decisions on what kind of dog to buy mostly by looks and then are too lazy or ignorant to train and care for it properly. It's a people problem, not a dog problem.
I see it constantly - people blame their dogs for misbehaving yet the owner has done nothing with the dog to teach it anything. They just want the dog to be "good" on its own. It makes me so sad and frustrated especially knowing that dogs are such happy and loving animals but their lack of training is blamed on them.
I like this point of view! A lab and poodle mix could be a very good dog, I’ve just never come across one. They are very similar in temperament so theoretically they should be easy to socialize and train. I do believe that backyard breeders target the kinds of owners you described, the ones that want dogs as an accessory, and it makes a bad name for different crosses and breeds. That bad name then makes its way to the purebred lovers and it reinforces hating on mutts.
I’ve also struggled with the show and field line question for a long time, there are a ton of breeds that have huge a divergence between field and show, like the Labrador and golden. I’ve got a show line lab and would she be worthless hunting? Absolutely, but that wasn’t what I wanted in a dog. I wanted a dog that could be calm in the house on lazy days and keep up with me on adventuring days, however it is a bit disappointing that she doesn’t like to fetch much. I grew up with a lab who was probably a field line and he could go for hours, it was fun at times but he wasn’t properly socialized and was a pretty reactive dog. My show lab was the easiest dog to socialize and train.
I wish there was a good in between because some of the field line dogs cannot calm down, and there are some days where I don’t feel like adventuring. I feel like the field lines have more practical characteristics, like shorter coats, tighter around the eyes, and drive but the drive part is where it gets carried away at times. Basically I wish the show dogs with the more tampered down drive still had some in them.
Also, if we were smart with breeding crosses, genetically testing, temperament testing, and making sure the dogs aren’t too different physically I think we could make some really good and healthier dogs. Goldens have a 60% cancer rate, but they are awesome dogs, so if we added more genetic diversity by mixing other breeds then we would be able to get those cancer rates down.
I’ve been using your comment section as a ranting spot lately hahaha. I want to get another dog but have been torn on getting another show lab or trying a working line dog because I want to go on more and longer adventures. Maybe I’ll just foster dogs until one of them fits. Great video as always!
Rant away, that’s the whole point.
As far as getting Field Dogs to calm down, that’s really just a matter of proper early training and socialization, just like the Doodles.
Regarding your idea of a certain type of person who buys a doodle, maybe there are several types of people who buy doodles and the dogs develop according to that type of person. For example, my husband and I had 2 golden retrievers and a yellow lab when we got married. We are lab and retriever type of people. We had a son that has terrible allergies to animals. After much research and borrowing of different doodles, we purchased a labradoodle. The thought of not having another dog broke us (our last pre-children dog passed away during my pregnancy). Our personality is that of a lab and/or retriever owner so we have raised our doodles (who were raised with ENS, ESI, and early enrichment before they came to live with us) to be social and obedient. I wonder if there is also poodle type buyers that truly want a house dog, most poodle parents I know don't take their dogs with them when they leave the house? I want to make sure we don't continue the stereotype. If you look close enough, you will find that in every breed there are more social and more stay at home and to your self type owners and therefore dogs.
Thank you for your objective discussion. I really think that there is a lot of "hate" in the dog world and it's one of the last places it should be. We all love dogs so we need to stop the judgement.
Obviously this won't resonate with every breeder, but I think the first thing a breeder that makes a breeder ethical is ensuring the health of the dogs they're breeding, but I also think brachiocephalic breeds shouldn't be done. The second is to make sure you know what the temperament is so you can tell the future owners so that dog doesn't end up in a shelter. I honestly have less beef with doodles than with breeds made to be unhealthy. I've also seen people buy breeds that are usually healthy but from a not-as-good breeder that had health problems their entire lives. Why would you bring an animal into this world that is just going to suffer their whole life?
Anyone living in an area with burs/stickers/thistles CAN'T bring their doodle on adventures because they will come out looking like a porcupine and have to get shaved. For some reason it seems like doodle owners like them long as well and the coats seem to be finer/less curly than poodles and get matted/things stuck much easier.
The amount of doodle owners that are SHOCKED at how much grooming is and how often it needs to be done professionally and at home really bothers me. I dont feel like doodle breeders are educating puppy buyers properly and market them as "low maintenance" just because they don't shed when in reality its going to be costly and time consuming. We get people bringing in doodles 6+ months old that have never been to the groomer, never been brushed at home, and not used to getting touched all over-especially their feet.
To me an "ethical breeder" properly educates the buyer on exercise/grooming/training requirements. If they don't do that, they don't care about the puppies and it's all just for money. That goes for any breed, not just doodles because there are way too many people getting dogs they can't handle.
My daughter has a leonburger poodle cross. He definitely has a ton of fur and could use training. She wanted a big dog for protection to scare people. There was a robbery close to her house. We have two full labs and have been thoroughly trained. She did not buy hers from a kennel as we did.
Now do Pitbulls! That will bring out the CRAZIES!!!
You also need to know what to look for on the breeders testing
Personally i dont like the doodles..my dog doesnt like them..
I am still waiting for your video about rescue dogs..maybe you made one and i missed it😮
I bristled at this. I’m old and have a doodle as a companion. We walk together and spend our lives in twined. And that’s a bad thing!
I’m not sure what you are bristling about, flesh that out a bit.
Exactly my thoughts, Stonnie. I think a lot of people miss that a "doodle" is called that because it's got poodle in the genetics, and poodles are working class dogs. In the last video a lot of folks commented about how great their doodles are, and I can believe it! A working dog can really make being a handler rewarding, but it's work and you have to at least have a plan and some level of activity to keep that dog well adjusted and happy. I think Stonnie-watchers are more likely, as a population, to be good homes for that kind of dog. A family with a 'does not shed' priority for their future four-legged family member generally isn't even aware of what their part in raising a working dog entails, thus we see doodles acting up so often.
"Responsible" would be for doodle breeders to be up-front with potential clients that they can't expect them to be like labs. But then, I'm certain many probably are and people may not listen because they've got puppies on the brain.
I think the truth is, though, that after doodles, there will be another breed/breed-mix that becomes more popular and trendy, and then we'll see that dog show up as the 'generally problematic breed,' just because of the people-aspect of this equation, rather than the dogs themselves.
you reminded me of my aunt when she first got her cockapoo and was having prey drive issues so i told her "well you got a bird dog what did you expect?"
@@angelinacamacho8575my dog is cross cocker Spaniel cross labradore.When I got her,breeder said se was cockerdore,or spanidore,In my eyes she is a mixed retreiver that is great at her job.
This is so true. When 'do not shed' is the priority, you end up with so many poodle x dogs who just never get the enrichment / stimulation / training they need, they often become quite neurotic or aggressive, and then of course they get their reputations with groomers etc. because no, they've never had handling training, grooming training, positive training, etc. I'm in quite a few cavoodle groups (as I have one) and I was kind of shocked at how many brought up very what I would call 'normal' dog or puppy issues in a way that made it clear they hadn't done a single inch of reading, at all. And some of these folks if you suggest the effort of even the most basic training (which helps with bonding, closeness, all the good things!) act offended, as though you don't think their dog is some perfect little 'cheeky' teddy bear, lol.
I love that our dog is birdy. I love that he's excited to walk always. I love that he loves to sniff things and that he has opinions and is driven. I love that he enjoys jumping so much that getting him to sit for visitors was a challenge (we made it!). And while I don't love that he can be a bit anxious (we're working on Separation Anxiety via Julie Naismith's methods), we also saw over and over again 'can be prone to separation anxiety' in the research. So it's not like we weren't warned.
We were very lucky that the breeder told us upfront they can be prone to SA and to start absence training gently but immediately. She gave us a socialisation checklist, as well as natural chews like cow hoofs and a split antler to start when his adult teeth started coming in. She told us to start daily grooming desensitisation, even something as simple as puppy wipes on the face and butt, followed by showing them scissors and brushes and giving treats. We were *very* lucky, I've had purebreed breeders not go into as much detail on the pros/cons as she did, and she taught us a lot, esp about natural chews and enrichment. But our boy his 75% poodle, and that's the way we like it. His muzzle is long enough to fit all his teeth (a problem the more cavalier leaning crosses have sometimes :( ), he's birdy and bouncy, he wants to please and he wants to feel as though he has a purpose.
I really wish less folks thought 'that's a teddy bear and I want one, what colours does it come in.'
(To be fair I've met reactive labs too, but also from folks who are like 'that's a cute dog what colours does it come in' and like... you know that's a dog that doesn't have a routine or any sort of enrichment/exercise in its life a lot of the time.)
Nearly all doodles I meet are poorly bred, socialized, and cared for because the owners want a "low maintenance" dog. If I had a penny for every doodle I met with a pelted coat, I could retire tomorrow. Most doodle breeders don't health test their dogs. I see a lot of doodles with allergies, hip dysplasia, and nerve (temperament) issues. As with most dogs, breeding for appearance and not health/temperament creates a liability.
For the record: I have stock line Australian shepherds. My breeder produced dogs with fantastic temperaments who will tolerate nearly anything. I put in a ridiculous amount of work into making them into the dogs I wanted, but the base temperaments of my dogs was open, friendly, and animal/ human stable. They will absolutely work livestock if I need them to, but they'll also enjoy a walk.
We have an amazing sheepadoodle, but I guarantee you she would be a 75-pound neurotic disaster on 4 fast legs if she was crated 10+ hours a day. Yes, her body needs exercise - thats the easy part. It's that amazing BRAIN that you really have to exercise, and do it constantly. Anybody that isn't prepared for that, and I think many if not most doodle-buyers aren't, is going to have a hot mess on their hands in short order.
As a trainer I’ve had 6 doodles in 2024 alone. One Brittany doodle and the others were Labradoodles. All of them except 1 had an unexpected behavioral change that was expressed quite violently and without warning. The one exception was a persistent humper and jumped on people but otherwise did not have this Jekyll/Hyde syndrome. 4/6 were active people who did some basic obedience with their dogs and took them on park outings, played fetch and were generally active. The other 2 were with folks who lived a more work focused very busy people life but not very dog centric. Those two dogs both had very bad separation anxiety and quite “headstrong” disrespectful personalities which I equate to lack of boundaries and generally more love than leadership. At least they ALL sought help! The approaches were different with each dog because what worked with one might not have worked with the others.
*Ethics to me is the breeder screens for temperament and does behavioral assessments and environmental exposure during the first 8-10 weeks of the puppies life. Also, recommends the appropriate pup for the living situation and skill level of owner and desired traits.
*Ethics is truth and transparency with the studs/bitches. Allowing the prospective owners to meet/see the dogs and facilities. Not overstating or selling on trendy buzzwords and gimmicks.
*Ethics is genetic testing so as not to breed deaf dogs (achieving some certain coat and eye colors) and to greatly reduce serious health and physical defects.
*Ethics is also taking the pup back if there is an unforeseen issue that is going to be especially hard for the owners to resolve. Genetic roulette is real and sometimes you get an outlier, it’s important for the breeder to know of these things and perhaps that will adjust their future breedings. Many of these will end up at the shelter instead because the owner will feel like they failed or the dog so just a bad dog and investment.
I applaud owners who seek professional training and or veterinary behaviorist help because that is also ETHICAL❤
I had two cockapoos. One when I was growing up with a dream personality. The second, as an adult, and he was a total spazz. I couldn’t introduce him to people and he barked his head off over everything. He could turn violent when you tried to get him to go to bed. There were injuries to family members. I heard over-breeding is likely cause, but I had met his mother, and she was totally chill. It would be nice to be able to find reliable breeders the doodle style dog, and I really feel for people who get a problem pooch.
Totally agree!
Well said!
Wondering if anyone has some advice for me. I am adopting a Labradoodle from a work colleague who made the heartbreaking mistake of adopting two puppies from the same litter. He knew little about dogs, the breeder encouraged it (!!) and despite everyone around him telling him otherwise he went ahead with it. They have always been together since but two dogs is too much for the family. They are nearly 12m old, how do I help ease the separation?? I want to go in prepared 😬
@@Mellyouttaphase Honestly, separation anxiety in any animal is difficult for the owner and most importantly the animal. The breeder probably encouraged the adoption because the two were a bonded pair. I don't want to judge anyone, but breaking a bonded pair is a horrible decision. I would encourage you to adopt both from your work colleague. Honestly, there isn't more work with two than one. The vet bills will be higher, but the day to day work is the same. Please consider it.
What I do not understand is if a person wants a dog that is hypoallergenic and does not shed, why they do not just buy a poodle? Breeding dogs for looks without taking into account temperament, biddability, desire to please, need to work, etc. is not that I personally approve of.
As someone who is very much in the “doodle demographic” (young female in the suburbs lol) usually my friends reasoning is they want the temperament of a lab. Which obviously isn’t how breeding works but that’s what they think.
@@haley9044 I agree, people need to educate themselves better. But I put the majority of the blame on the doodle breeders, who tell those lies (that labradoodle has a temperament of a lab, and coat of a poodle). People need to stop believing what they are told, and do their own research and use common sense.
There is actually no such thing as a hypoallergenic dog, as allergists have explained to me. My son ended up getting allergy shots so he could get a puppy. All dogs have dander. The tight coat on poodles holds it in better but does not eliminate it.
I didn’t get my doodle for looks or the non shedding but for the health. She’s super poodly and nippy right now (3.5 months). She gets bored really easily. I’m looking forward to walking her in two weeks 😅 can’t imagine someone getting a dog to just keep inside.
Other dogs to consider include the Lagotto and barbet! Both have excellent temperaments for families
"People that are really worried about dogs that shed alot, they don't go outside and do a lot." This was such a great observation. They want the dog they want (aussie, lab, golden, berner, etc.) that doesn't shed. For most big city folks, that is pretty much always what it comes down to when picking a doodle.
❤ Wise words as always. As a groomer we saw A LOT of doodles and the ones that were treated as a substitute child were very often the more difficult ones. My sister has a doodle, she lives in central London and a cottage in the country and that dog could be riding a London bus one day and walking through a field of sheep the next and she’s absolutely great. I have a poodle and a field lab, you ask a poodle to jump, they ask “how high?” You ask a lab to jump they say “OK”.
Thank you for this video!! I get so tired of hearing all of the doodle bashing. It seems people have moved on from bully breeds to doodles. I guess there always has to be that one type of dog that people love to hate. We rescued our Aussiedoodle when he was 9weeks old. My husband swore he'd never own a poodle or poodle mix :-). And within the first week of having him we were taking him out in public (in our shih tzu's stroller) to get him used to people, other animals, sites and sounds of traffic/stores. His first professional groom was when he was 5 months old, but at home I bathed him and would use a high velocity dryer on him to get him used to that. He went through 4 training classes, got his CGC, and just recently passed his therapy dog evaluation. He LOVES everyone and hasn't met a stranger yet. I know he's a mutt, but my AKC German Shepherd Dog's lineage were mutts in Germany until they weren't.
I have two Australian Labradoodles. One loves people the other scared of people. He does well at the groomers, dog park, but barks at family and strangers. We're about to get extra training privately. We got him at 5 and a half months old from a breeder that hadn't sold any in the litter yet. I've been working on his confidence the best I know how with techniques from this channel. He's now 9 months old. We love him.
Love this video. Great job and I agree with your logic. Extremely well said. I have a 95% chocolate lab rescue and a golden doodle. I get really tired of all the hate I see on golden doodles. He is such an amazing dog. Absolutely amazing and they get trashed so much.
As an avid outdoors person who especially loves to go on long, mostly solo, canoe trips in Minnesota's Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness, but, who is also mildly allergic to shedding breeds, I'm definitely an exception to your "doodle owners typically buy doodles to be house accessories" statement. I'm on my 3rd schnauzer/poodle (schnoodle) mix now. The first was really my wife's dog and was acquired (taken off a friend's hands) far too late for us to do any early training but was still a great dog. Most of the time, he stayed home with my wife while I went out on my canoe adventures but, there came a time that my wife was out of town and I "had" to take him along with me. What an eye-opener that trip was! Even though he had no specific training for such an adventure and only weighed about 15lbs, he did great and was a great joy to have along. Over his 11 year life span, I only had a chance to take him on 3 or 4 trips but I sure enjoyed his company! He certainly did not like rain/thunder though and also did not like to swim (which isn't all bad when you want your dog to stay in the canoe!). When he passed, we decided to get 2 dogs -- another schnoodle for me and a shi-poo for my wife (yes, the latter was more as a house accessory). This time, we purchased from a "breeder". The schnoodle (Sam) was 5 months old with very minimal training but I couldn't have asked for a sweeter, more easy-going dog. I started getting him used to the canoe right away but waited a year before introducing him to camping and canoe tripping. As I said, he was very easy going, loved everyone he met but was very respectful of everyone too. We often thought he would make a great therapy dog but never followed up on that. In his all too short 13 years on this earth, he accompanied me on 28 overnight canoe adventures, many, just the 2 of us, and including a few 2 week long trips. He weighed about 25 lbs so was a very good fit in the canoe. He was a bit more tolerant of rain than our first one, didn't mind thunder one bit but still didn't like to swim... although he'd wade in up to his chest when it got hot. He was always the first one in and out of the canoe! After we lost Sam, we looked for another schnoodle -- this time, I thought 30 lbs would maybe be a better fit. The only ones we could find from breeders were all smaller... 10-15 lbs. And, expensive as well. We finally found a rescue, Ruby. Ruby weighs in just under 30 lbs, was about 2 y.o. when we rescued her last July. Being a rescue, she's had very minimal training although, she did know "sit" when we got her. She loves people but gets way to enthusiastic, jumping up at their faces to lick them. She's terrible with kids... doesn't know to tone it down a bit when she greets them so bowls them over. Always want to play with all the dogs she meets -- again, very energetically. She's a sweet girl, just too excitable! I've taken her canoeing and camping which she has enjoyed and has been fine on. Even took her on a 3 day canoe trip last fall... to an area I knew we wouldn't encounter many, if any, people. I've been trying to control her reactivity, have made some progress but still have a long way to go. At the moment, my biggest concern about taking her with me is the way she'll greet other people and dogs she'll meet on the portage trail... knowing that not all travelers are going to be very happy about a dog zooming towards them and jumping at them.
From my experience, there's definitely a lot to be said for the nurture part of the equation as far as behavior goes. Again, my tendency towards doodles isn't because I want a dog that doesn't shed in the house (although that's good too) so much as it is that I want a dog who won't shed in my tent and make my allergies kick in. I just wish I could figure out how to rein Ruby in a bit.
Our sheepadoodle comes out to the barn (which is sadly not at my house) with me a lot. Horses, free-range chickens, barn cats, and all the llamas, cows, and pigs down the street are her friends. And of course anybody that comes out to ride is really there just to see her. She goes to the feed store and tractor supply all the time. Definitely not an "indoor" doodle. 😂
We got our Goldendoodle @ 18 months old from a no-kill shelter & we’ve had him for 3 years. They said 9 other families looked at him but we were the only ones that qualified to adopt him & it made me feel special. After we had him a couple of weeks I started to think we were the only ones dumb enough to take him. He’d been kept tied to a tree & was leash reactive & fear aggressive. It took over a year to leash train him & many different collars, he’d choke himself & didn’t care & he gator rolled the 1st gentle leader & broke it. He walks real well now, I can take him past lawn mowers, cats, kids & other dogs. He notices them but doesn’t loose his mind & we can have a nice walk. It’s been such an improvement that neighbors driving by will ask if he’s the same dog. If I were to get another doodle I’d want it to be a puppy.
I am a professional dog groomer with 32 years experience in my community.
Personally I don’t blame the dogs, I blame the people breeding and buying them.
Breeders are telling their buyers not to get them professionally groomed until their adult coat comes in at 18 months.
At 18 months you have a 60-120# bucking bronco teenager who would rather die than participate in this new terrifying experience. They thrash, they bite, they injure the groomer and themselves.
The breeder sets the owner against the groomer by telling them groomers are lazy, shady and untrustworthy.
Owners buy puppies because they want a statement dog. Or a shed free dog. Then they don’t train or socialize them at all.
Big surprise when they aren’t welcome out in the community and are banned from every groom shop and daycare for 50 miles.
This isn’t a problem so much with the individual dog, it’s about people being greedy for big money and buying dogs for the wrong reasons and doing zero actual research and putting in no work on the dog as it grows.
I have two clients who purposely bought (off of Craigslist) standard poodles and golden retrievers just so they could breed 4 litters a year because they heard they could sell the puppies for $5000 a head and make $100,000 a year. Easy peasy, right?
Except they wound up practically giving the puppies away in the Walmart parking lot and giving the adults away in rehoming FB groups, after confiding in me that the dogs bit multiple family members!!😮
We don’t hate the dogs themselves so much as the awful humans who operate with deception and greed and the buyers who see their dog as an accessory like a watch or a coffee table. Lay down and look pretty, darn it.
The dogs are the victims in this situation. They are created by people, purchased and then neglected by people. Humans are the bad guys here.
Could you give me pointers to get my dog ready for her next grooming session as without, sounding like one of those idiot pet owners, I think her last time being clipped may have been hard on her as when we adopted her she was virtually skinned! I have been brushing and combing her to keep her mat free. She is paw sensitive and she has some trigger points on her sides that can't see her to turn and look.
I have trimmed around her ears. I had to express her anal glands as they were blocked. She is quite a nervous dog with strangers but is coming out of her shell the more time passes. Any pointers would be helpful. Thank you.
@@VenetiaJones-f7w the best thing you can do is ask around for a groomer with experience, then call and set an appointment with that individual immediately. Then assuming you and your dog feel comfortable with that person set up monthly visits. Forever. Do NOT groomer hop. Insist on THAT individual for your dog, no one else. Your dog needs to develop a relationship with that person. Show up on time, pick up on time, & tip your groomer.
If you take your dog in for a bath & brush before it’s “needed” the dog has the time to become comfortable with and get to know & begin to trust the groomer before having to experience the more invasive aspects of the groom.
Then at home, work on desensitizing your dog to these areas being touched. At dinner offer a bite of kibble after a *light* touch to the trouble area. Make sure your dog is hungry and well motivated. If the first effort doesn’t go well shelve the food for 15 minutes and try again (and again…) until you’ve had some success. Don’t rush, don’t force, don’t be pushy, just take your time & be patient. Once the dog understands that “ONLY if I allow the touch, do I get a bite of dinner” you should begin to see progress. It’s time consuming and some dog’s progress is slow but if you stick to it will improve.
Your dog has an entire lifetime of grooming to look forward to, if you make it a part of its regular life it’ll be a pleasant experience with a “friend” not an ordeal to be endured with scary strangers.
@@dana7340 Thank you. So much for your help. That may work better than my way, as I just sit and play with her feet for a bit each night, as soon as she pulls I let go but go to another. Her tolerance has increased and there is only a slight flinch on touching the first paw. I will start phoning around the local groomers to see who sounds the best to me.
@@VenetiaJones-f7w you’re welcome, I hope it works out for you.
Remember, it’s important to have a groomer you trust, so that if they were to tell you there is something that must or must not be done, you can trust their judgement and know that they really truly DO have your dogs best interests in mind, even if what they are advising is against your preferences.
Groomers often see things that pet owners do not. This is why I pay my groomer friend to groom my dogs: fresh eyes. They can pick up on things the owners eyes skip over because we’re looking at them every single day.
@@dana7340 That is true. It is so easy to miss the little things until it is a big thing. Although some of the obvious things I am aware of as my family had had spaniels and poodles before. Not cockers, I admit but springers. I did want to grow her ears out but maybe there are reasons not to. I just loved my springers long curly ears!
That golden is so great! Wants to be in the fun and is so willing to just follow along!
My favorite dog of all time was an akc registered Labrador retriever who had a lanky field type build. I took her to the vet, and the vet without having been told, knew who the breeder was and the dog's parental lineage and knew the the health concerns associated with that line. She was brilliant in a lot of ways including fetching and athleticism in terms of keeping up with us on snow machines and hikes in Alaska. The health concerns did manifest. Was that breeder irresponsible? She gave us so much joy over her 13 year lifetime, and that's what mattered to us in the long run.
My family has two doodles (my parents got them)… they are amazing dogs, very well behaved, easily potty trained, chill, laid back great dogs!
So glad you’re addressing these topics! I wish more people paid attention to channels like this before they buy.
I’ve owned a lot of different breeds over the decades, mostly dumped in my lap and now I have a doodle, but they’re all raised the same because I’m a believer in nurture vs nature when it comes to temperament and so far it’s worked out. I learned everything I know from wolves but that’s another story and I’m an Irish granny so I’ll stop myself now lol.
However you can miss me with the low coat maintenance non shedding doodle lol I’ve never had more work with any dog and I’ve owned lots of long coats but this girl requires daily combing out which she hates but tolerates and there’s not a single groomer with 100kms of me that will touch a doodle other than to shave it down, which I did to her once and she went into a deep depression and dog therapists are costly lol and yes you’re right, even with long time dog owners these dogs become froofroo puppies from the start. So spoiled I’m ashamed. So we go through a lot of detangling product and combs lol
My biggest concern with breeding right now is the number of mixed gsd’s there are for sale and how cheap they are. I can only imagine the issues and glad I don’t fix messed up dogs anymore.
When I used to train unruly dogs I used the buy and sell papers to watch the trends so that I’d know what breed my next wave of clients would be 😁
Thanks for listening to me drone on. Take care and keep making videos you’re a valuable channel, I’ve learned a great deal from you. Cheers!
Mr. Dennis is a fountain of wisdom, I love this channel!
Thank you Stonnie and company!!❤
The world is doomed
I think doodles are adorable but have spent a ot of time in vet waiting rooms lately and have encountered so many doodles that seem psychotic. I have no idea what the deal is, but it has been eye opening. Whatever training these poor dogs need they aren't getting.
I did a lot of research & spoke to a lot of KC registered breeders before getting a GSD puppy, my family’s tenth GSD. I’ve grown up with the breed & I love them however, there are many issues that come with poor breeding & especially UK Show Lines. I found an exceptional breeder of KC registered Working Line GSDs. They put in a lot of research, work & effort into producing excellent puppies of top UK & European Working Lines. I continued training & this progressed to more advanced levels were we competed in Working Trials.
When out & about I get many compliments on my GSD but, I always advise that they don’t come preprogrammed. GSDs are a Working Breed that you have to keep physically & mentally stimulated, plus they shed once a year & it lasts 365 days!
My issue is people get a dog without having a serious discussion about who they are getting the puppy from, why they want a dog & what the next decade of their life with a dog will be like. We come across many dogs that are badly behaved & have obviously had little training or issues that have not been addressed correctly. Some have even attacked my dog, when mine is on its lead calmly walking with me.
I would say the advantage of breeding lines is that you can see the temperament & health of the parents breed lines. One of my dog trainers advised that some dog breeds should never be crossed due to the strong outcome of guarding & aggression. Also nervous & anxious or aggressive dogs should never be breed from. A responsible dog breeder should raise the puppies in a family home so they experience the environment they will live in. A new owner should always continue with the socialisation & training until the dog is an adult & beyond. I still ‘train’ my dog even though she is nearly 8. I always praise & talk to her when we are out & about. Sadly many people are too busy on their phones & don’t interact with their dog.
Yes, dogs don't come 'pretrained', I think that is a major problem with the pandemic puppies bought in the past few years, and the idea that doodles are fun, energic family pets, but these pet parents got the pup to entertain the kids on lockdown but too busy to do training which has to be ongoing and not a 2 week program, it's the parents/family that needs the training too. They also didn't realize that energy is an ongoing thing, doesn't disappear once puppy stage is done. Each dog has it's own temperament and the training has to be tailored to the individual dog, people don't realize that.
And don't get me started on the cellphone obsession, when you're out with your dog, it needs your 100% attention, you are either training or untraining the dog. (that comes from the equine world of horsemanship, applies to a lot of things)
Right after we got a Pyredoodle, my brother had a spinal injury and had to learn to walk again. When he took the Pyredoodle out by himself the first time, he fell and could not get up. She came and stood right next to him, and let him use her as leverage to stand up. She has done that each time he has fallen over the last couple years. She is the best dog ever!
Sorry. Size, intelligence/training, and non-shedding? All that fits the description of POODLES. They also come in variety of colors in addition to having a predictable temperament and coat texture.
There's no benefit a doodle has over a poodle.
If people wanna pay more $ to play russian roulette, they can just say that.
Doodles are mutts, bred left and right without any regard to a specific standard. Doodles also have a coat that is more difficult to keep up with and tends to get matted more easily. You are correct about one thing, they are usually purchased by people who don't know how to be an actual owner (same with Frenchies)
Show me an established doodle breeder who does OFA elbow and hip testing (or equivalent), has max of 1 litter/yr, have contracts for all puppies, feed dog food that follows guidelines by WSAVA, vaccinate their dogs, and does genetic health screenings. Those are /some/ of the highest quality standards a breeder can be held to. I'll wait.
I love this so much! I am picking up my 9 week old doodle on Monday. I truly believe his breeder is ethical. I met both parents who were picked for their temperament, clean genetic testing, health testing (eyes, heart, and hips) and physical appearance. The breeder raises the puppies right in the main room of the house with her family (including children) and does ENS, ESI, and lots of socializing of the puppies- sounds, objects, new people, car rides, etc. They are all vet checked and have their first shots. She starts to kennel train them ( very gently) at 4 weeks, and housebreaking begins at the same time. Some people believe that if the end result is a doodle, it is unethical breeding. I also take my role as a dog owner seriously and I will continue to socialize this puppy and play with him and brush him and train him!!! I am so excited! ☺️
This is what all breeders should do!
You can’t be an ethical doodle breeder. There is NO breed standard, they’re mutts with an -oodle at the end. :)
@@Kaythought you can ethically breed mixed dogs, you don't need a breed standard for it to be ethical. Many mixed have been created for specific purposes that they do very well in, and breeds are created through mixing to create something new. I do however think a lot of doodle breeding is unethical as majority is backyard breeding where lack of knowledge breeders meets lack of knowledge owners, which creates problematic dogs.
@@FreesTylerFurYa people that start new breeds usually go to the lengths of coming up with a new breed standard and breed for it. They try to get recognized by the AKC, there is a process for new breeds to be recognized, Doodles are not following that.
It sounds like the commenter's breeder is doing more than others but at the end of the day, there is no standard. And as they say in my country "You don't make spring with one flower". If this breeder does 50% of what they should they are only the positive poster child that bad breeders will hide behind. Sadly most breeders don't do that and let's not forget the other majority of the things that need to happen. A dog needs to be shown in conformation and sports to prove their correct body and mind to fulfil "the job" they were bred for.
I say this as someone with vet medical training who also works as a dog groomer and gets to see doodles multiple times a day. Cross legged, too long hocks, misplaced tails, patchy hair textures, misaligned elbows. And while health testing is good, make sure to confirm the tests done are specific to the breeds your dog is made up of. Because no one does ALL tests. There's too many and they're too expensive. I seriously doubt the breeder ran ALL genetic testing on both parents.
(And because you never know how many breeds go in a doodle is hard to keep up with what are the specific health tests you need to do for each individual breed that goes into it. It's doable, but it gets hectic and expensive)
How do you like your doodle so far?
There are good and bad breeders and owners of every breed and type of dog.
In the UK , cockapoos and labradoodles seem to dominate and the problem ones are almost always sold as lazy, low maintenance companion animals when they are from intelligent athletic parents so need managing as such.
Be a shame to lose the poodle as a breed, but if we as owners are not advocating for them and telling the world how awesome they are it's not doodle peoples fault.
If they were educated about dogs they wouldve bought a standard poodle and just left them in a shaggy cut similar to how doodles look, but less dander.
Goldens are a good breed separately.
The maker of golden doodles regrets it.
Love your channel and all the info you give. You are spot on about doodles. Love labs, great family dog. I have a mini doodle who is incredible. Born on a Mennonite farm and last to go as she had an underbite. She grew up with a ton of little kids, which by the way they were sad to see her go, other dogs and farm animals. She was not quite 15 weeks. So she was socialized up the whazo. It was fabulous to have a social dog. She naturally walked great on a leash, good with kids and people. She is my perfect camping buddy and shopper. Loves to swim which I do and lucky for me I am a 10 minute walk to a Conservative area where we do a lot of swimming. I wanted a dog that could come everywhere with me and have fun, so that is why I got a doodle, plus the no shedding helps. Had a Great Pyrenees who was a rescue that lived to 14, but did not like the water or a good shopper. But she loved our walks in the conservation area and was great with my kids growing up. Like you have said in previous videos, get a dog that suits your life style. Now my mini doodle Dolly is very laid back, which is lucky for a doodle, but good training and understanding you get a great dog. Just have to put in the effort and time. So Dolly is off the lead trained, doesn’t run out the door when opened (waits for me to go first), fully house trained the day we brought her home (used the bell system and still do, hasn’t gone in the house except for the day we got her. And remember this was a farm dog who could go anywhere), great on a leash, best camping partner ( will not bark or go after other dogs, just sits in her own chair), best swimming bud. Each day is a gift with her and she is so much fun. Thanks again for sharing great information and I look forward to more. From Cambridge, Ontario.
Stonnie -
This is so on the money. I have a working line Bouvier de Flanders, another dog which tends not to leave hair all over the place, but that is also a minimum 2.5 hr./day commitment between mental and physical exercise and obedience training. Also not an animal for someone unprepared to invest significant amounts of time and money into a trainer experienced with livestock guardian/herding breeds or their own time teaching the dog new things every day. It’s a lifetime commitment.
When my dog exhibits leash reactivity, 8 of 10 times it’s a reaction to untrained doodles barking or growling. Half the time the owners are on the phone ignoring their dog’s behavior. In fact, they concern me far more than the bull and terrier breeds.
I view it as a welcome training opportunity, she gets better every day at ignoring the yappy furballs. I figure it’s better than her getting close, having some Doodle act aggressively and having her decide to neutralize any perceived threat, which would result in a dead doodle in under a minute.
Interestingly, the issue I’ve heard about with respect to doodles isn’t really that they’re inherently bad dogs that adhere to no consistent lineage. That’s a matter of perspective.
It’s more the argument from some canine biologists and vet groups regarding the financial incentives to pull Golden and Lab breeders away, shrinking the gene pool and compounding health issues for dogs that can already be subject to extensive line breeding.
Ironically, the meanest dogs around here tend to be Golden Retrievers. Of 5 in our neighborhood, just one is friendly to other dogs. 1 of the 4 owners of the animals of concern is at fault for not exercising or socializing their dog, but the others have all had Goldens for years. They are all baffled by the aggression of their latest pups (all are under 3). Anyway, keep up the great work!!
I have owned black labs, great danes, collie/shepard mixes and currently own a F1b labradoodle (¾ poodle, ¼ black lab). I specifically chose a labradoodle because I wanted the intelligence of a poodle and the loyalty, calmness, people-loving, and retrieve drive of a lab. I specifically chose the breeder because they were veterinarians, own a farm, provide health certificates, and temperament test the parents and the puppies. I did not care whether the dog sheds (she doesn't). I took Stonnie's online puppy training course only because COVID made flying to his Kentucky kennel difficult. From 8 weeks of age, I have taken her on outside adventures multiples times per day and in many different environments, including riding a chairlift at a ski resort. At 4 years old, she runs off leash beside my bicycle (sprinting 13 mph), runs/jumps her heart out off leash at the beach, and loves retrieving balls on the beach , in the forest, at a public park. I can and do take her everywhere, she loves everyone and everyone loves her. She is the center of attention at the park where other people comment on how athletic she is. My point for all of this, is that it is all about training and adventures. Using Stonnie's method, you can have the perfect dog. And mine is a doodle.
Very good points!
We have watched Stonie since we got our doodle (chosen in hopes to be less allergenic for me) 5 years ago. 3 offleash walks a day... lots of camping and hiking. And calm enough to take to work in an office with lots of people traffic. Appreciate all the Stonie tips over the years .. a well exercised doodle ... like most breeds, is a very enjoyable dog!!
We have a mini goldendoodle that just turned 2! She is a extreme athlete! She can run for hours… loves rock climbing! ❤️
Great write up. Really enjoyed your Stonnie-Story.
And you could have gotten a lab or properly bred Pointer to fulfill that niche. Instead you supported a mutt breeder and got paid out the ass for a ridiculous breed. Poodles ruined Doodles and that's a minimum requitement for those mutts. There's no breed standard. Poor dogs overall.
I have a groodle. Yes I got her for the lack of shedding after having Jack Russels and a Lab. However, she is very well socialised. There are 4 adults in our house and every one of them fights to take her out with them. She is great at cafes etc, does not bark unless at the right time and was not destructive as a puppy. Yes she has a few things that are a work in progress. When she gets excited, she forgets people are around and can bump into them and has knocked people over, I still have problems in stopping her off leash chasing kangaroos for 2-3 min and when we are ready to go home from an outing she will sit down and not move (I get lots of laughs from passers by). Her breeder, I chose the breeder as they had genetic tests done.
Gosh, I've never heard of a groodle. What does the gr stand for? Just curious.
@@gwenbloms388 Golden Retriever, it is what we call them in Australia.
I still stand firmly that people need to do plenty more research before they keep getting dogs that they're unprepared for... It'll never happen... But It's just how I feel the world would be bettered
I researched 20+ breeders before choosing the breeder for my WLGSD, we wanted a wellbred dog to be our first true experience in the breed. We've trained dogs highly in the past, so we took what we already knew & continued to apply it to him. Tell me why my 5 month old dog has better basic obedience skills than people who have owned dogs for 30 years? I'm only 20 years old.
Recall in new environments? Not a problem
Re-engaging after getting love from strangers? Not a problem
Loose leash walking? Not a problem
90% of what we've done with him is all TRAINING on our part, but everyone we'll meet for the rest of our lives will just think he was born this way... Good genetics go a long way, but genetics don't train the dog.
I can only speak for myself, but...😅 I went from a gsd person to a standard poodle person because i love a smart, active dog and love not having all that hair all over my everything!!!
If i could get a doodle that had the "lazy demeanor" of that precious lab mixed with a standard poodle, that would be great...i feel like the best of the best breeders use dogs that not only fullfill their physical breed descriptions and attributes but their temperment as well.
I bought a gordon setter when i was young, i loved the beauty of them, i had property, zero intention on hunting that dog.. that boy wouldn't have had a good life had he not been allowed to hunt! Had i bought a gordon from a comformation line it would've been an entirely different story...A little research goes a long way!
- i have seen Doodles out there, that are Standard Poodles in disguise....😂
Love this channel! Thank you
They.
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Mutts.
FFS they're not a standardized breed, they're mixed breeds, no different than my rottweiler/lab mix. HE'S A MUTT. That doesn't mean he's not a good dog. It just means he's not a purebred dog. MOST DOGS IN THE WORLD ARE NOT PUREBRED, THEY ARE MUTTS.
That said, doodles have some serious issues and should not be purposely bred.
I like your content, but overall ethical breeding is someone who breeds to standards. They title and prove their dogs. They health test and color test their dogs. They do all recommend OFA testing at the proper age. They do it to better the breed, and preserve the breed for years to come. Majority of doodle breeders do none of that. They breed mainly for money. Hell most tell you their dogs are hypo allergic and don’t shed. When that’s in fact not true. I work at a grooming, training, boarding, and daycare facility. There is no standard when it comes to doodles. I do agree that many get them and do not do the proper training, and grooming as most wait till they are 6 months to a year of age till they get their first groom. It’s not doodles that people dislike. They can be amazing dogs. It’s the backyard breeding of them that I’m not a fan of. They don’t help to make sure these owners are educated and set their dogs up for success.
I know of lots of dogs with good hips throwing puppies with weak ligaments. Genetic testing doesn’t quite live up to the marketing hype…
An Australian dog trainer suggests the poodle be rebranded to a German water retriever because people get doodles for all the characteristics of a poodle without being called a poodle.
along with everything you said, I also like a breeder who is always willing to keep in touch, and will take a dog back if something horrible happens and the person who bought the dog can not take care of the dog any longer. I don't like when dogs end up in rescue.
The thing that gets me with the doodles is so many owners and breeders refuse to acknowledge that a lot of doodles are double coated dogs who shed and shouldn’t be shaved. So many times I’ve seen a shaved double coated doodle and people trying to convince me it’s fine because it’s not a golden or a lab but a doodle. Some still end up with double coats! You can’t micromanage the genetics like that and there is no such thing as mix between double and single coats- it’s always either or. Next issue is matting. I believe few owners understand and few breeders inform how much and how to properly care for any type of coat and the importance of doing it often and early.
The only problem I have with the whole doodle thing, is that it just seems a bit chaotic. It doesn't seem like anybody is trying to establish one or two solid official breeds. That said, I think any kind of breeder can be irresponsible, and lots of times the worst ones are the people scolding everybody else. I know breeders that will talk a good talk about caring about the dogs, but at the end of the day, they only care about one thing... Creating pretty dogs that can win shows. They'll breed together individuals who should absolutely not have their genes passed on, because they're loaded with problems. But they do anyway. Then the breeder will appease their guilt by denying their dogs have any issues. They'll blame the owners and say they're just doing something wrong, even when the individual clearly has huge genetic behavior issues from birth.
I originally found your channel when doing research on Lagottos. We decided it was the right breed for us, and ours turns 2 this week and is a pretty good dog from our neighbors’ perspective. About half of the dogs she plays with are Doodles- a majority of which have maintained the positive qualities of the Labs/Goldens in a smaller package without the shedding.
What’s a Lagotto dog? A cross of some sort? Would love to know.
@@ievabernieks325 The full name is Lagotto Romangolo. They are purebred Italian Water Dogs, that are somewhat similar to lots of doodles. They are about 25-35 lbs. and don't shed. Stonnie has a full video titled Lagotto Romagnolo | Is It Right For You? that is all about them.
@@prestonberkeley9852Thank you for the information. I had never heard of this breed before and enjoyed learning about them. I am helping my neighbors with their Old English Sheepdog - Poodle cross. They chose this dog as a puppy because they’re non-shedding. Unfortunately, the dog is difficult and has pulled its elderly owner to the ground several times & was jumping on everyone. I have my 3rd German Shepherd now and am doing my best with the doodle but it’s more about schooling the owners. They love the dog and are making progress! Life is better when we’re helping each other!
@@ievabernieks325 I've read that OES are so inbred, have so many mental issues, even aggression but then to cross with an energetic poodle=accident waiting to happen. Why get a large dog if you're elderly and an unknown breed dog, non-shedding is not a good enough reason for me
A Lagotto Romagolo won BIS at Crufts 2023, a water retriever, like a poodle, PWD, SWD, etc., lovely dog.
@@dottyk1637Thanks for your response. I’m elderly and have a German Shepherd = German Shedder. Unbelievably Intelligent!😉
Our standard poodle breeder that we got our youngest from is an RN and is extremely careful with her breeding and does not breed cousins. I have her papers and she has 6 generations to see who’s been bred to her. Thank you for a wonderful video and being so amazing !!!
Same with my Golden - I have her full pedigree and have certified verification of the health testing of each dog in the lineage. Most good breeders will use different stud dogs from other regions, imported frozen semen and/or add dogs from different countries into their breeding stock to really avoid any semblance of inbreeding. My current Golden has a six generation pedigree that features dogs bred from top kennels from Canada, England, Sweden, Netherlands and Finland. Ethical and good breeding really is an 'art' when it comes to matching up the right dogs and to avoid 'carrier' health issues from being expressed in offspring.
I have a 30 lb doodle (Australian Labradoodle) and unfortunately I got her right before lockdown in 2020 so although my intention was to have her in puppy classes and play groups she ended up staying at home with my other dogs while I worked 12 hr days. I'm in healthcare. BUT she still turned out easy. I got chickens in 2022 and she's good with them. I fostered a litter of kittens this past Spring and she was great with them. Just have to remind her to slow down and be gentle. No formal training needed. Maybe I was lucky but I think my doodle is great. She is reserved when meeting new people but that works for me because my lab and golden are typically already drooling on the new people. She has helped my undersocialized shepherd rescue learn to play and be goofy. Love her sooo much. I keep her hair short. We like adventures.
Stop calling the Frankenstein dogs Australian. The only dogs that are Australian are the Australian Kelpie, the Australian Cattle Dog, the Australian Silky Terrier.
Australian Terrier
Australian Labradoodles are all fifth generation or higher and may possibly have genes from other breeds. They are working on a breed. Cocker Spaniel is also sprinkled in in my particular dog. All breeds that exist were developed from previous breeds.
@rottymum9898 mate you're too salty stay out of the ocean for a bit.
I can’t relate to paying lots of money for a mixed breed dog. Especially a dog that may have unpredictable traits. Get a standard poodle from a reputable breeder, and you know what you’re going to get.
Personally I think the reason doodles get a bad name is because they are marketed as great first time pets and family pets, and so either a lot of inexperienced dog owners end up with them, or people who don't have the time for them. Most of the ones I have met have been friendly but also naughty and very hyper. People forget that poodles are working dogs, and one of the most popular doodles is cockapoos which is another high energy dog in the mix, and some have rage syndrome to boot. Aleo due to inexperience and lack of time, many doodles end up matted and are not well behaved for grooming because they haven't been taught from a young age or they just don't have any boundaries at home.
I think doodle breeders can be ethical, personallly just because someone is kc registered doesn't make them automatically bad to me, I don't always agree with how the kennel club do things, it depends though. The problem is that they are so popular, and of course the awful breeders and puppy mills will capitalise off of that, making the market for doodles super large and hard to find the more genuine breeders who actually care for their dogs as well as future owners.
Doodles are not automatically bad dogs, again most of the ones I've met are lovely, just a little rude, but they can be a bit of a genetic mess if the breeder didn't care, and a lot of their owners just are not experienced and don't give them the enrichment they need. I think they get too much hate but I can also understand why people dislike them and the stigma around them. I don't hate them but I get a bit sick of seeing so many, they are too popular for how high maintenance and energetic they are, because most owners will simply not be able to meet their full needs
I have Standard Poddles (2) and we go on great adventures together, bird hunts, boating/fishing, camping, all the stuff; but they are mostly house dogs really. I got Poodles for all the reasons that other people want Doodles, less shedding, good temperment, working dogs who have drive (but not too much!). Obedience and socialization was started young, by me, and continues to this day. Having said that, I've never met a Doodle that I didn't like!
Ethical and responsible to me is the care of the dog, not in the breeding (breed of dog) or the reason for the breeding (money, etc.). For me it's how they are treated, neglect and abuse are unethical and unresponsible and people who neglect and don't care for their dogs shouldn't have them or breed them.
EDIT: Regarding doodle breeders I see very little ethical breeding going on. My search for a breeder was made so much more difficult because of that. Backyard breeding is rampant and puppy mills get shut down regularly here in Florida. The poodle rescues here are over run with and forced to take poodle mixes. Let me also comment that even tho I consider my breeder a good one, all the health testing etc. is proper, they breed way too many litters.
I currently have a standard Australian Labradoodle bred by a responsible breeder and he is confident with a good amount of drive. As an older female I also had him properly trained with a trainer who has an amazing resume. He is chill, pattern cognizant and a lovely dog. My best dog EVER in my life was an oops Golden Retriever & English Yellow Lab cross. He basically required no training at all although we did quite a bit of leash work because of his 90 plus pound size. Hardly necessary because he wouldn’t run off. Next, and entirely because of this amazing retriever/lab cross I adopted a 6 month old (who turned out to be a field bred) Yellow Lab. VERY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE. All of the balls and frisbees and walks plus bike rides, scooter and roller jogs were never enough to complete take the edge off this dog. He lived all of his life with us but if too much drive is a thing he had it.
Unless a lab is mentally retarded (you occasionally see a slow one in a large litter) they are difficult to screw up. It is in the best interest of a pack species to have a range of temperament (submissive dominant). If you have a temperament preference in field lab, watch the puppies after week 5. Select accordingly. Generally speaking, the docile pup will grow up to fetch a ball- but be a mediocre retriever, but a fine companion. The dominant pup will have the opposing tendencies.
“…should be two different, distinct breeds.”
My standard poodle is an old soul. He was completely calm on his 3 hour hour drive home from the breeder at 8 weeks, and he still has that same temperament. Don’t get me wrong. He is also wild and fun and has lots of energy, but he rolls with the punches and nothing really fazes him. He’s the perfect counterpoint to our lovable but reactive boxer/Weimaraner rescue girl.
I love my pure poodles
We didnt go looking for a Doodle, or any dog really. But there was a sheepadoodle that needed a home and it turned out to be ours. She is one of the very best dogs we have ever had. Eager to please and hands-down the smartest dog we've ever had - she trains like a dream, she's rock solid in new situations, and everywhere we take her people want to pet the huge, fluffy dog with the cute nose. And after our Aussie, I have to say that the non-shedding thing is waaaay more appealing than I ever thought it would be.
But...to your point on ethical breeding....whoever "bred" her clearly did not prioritize health. At 2 she already has moderate hip displasia.
To me, if they're not doing genetic testing on their dogs and doing everything they can to ensure long healthy lives for the puppies they sell - then they are not an ethical breeder.
Their intelligence is amazing! Become her own vet, this is the only way to keep her healthy!
Golden doodle dogs are nothing more than mixed breed dogs and the misuse of the carefully and selectively bred golden retriever.
Got my F1 goldendoodle at about 16 weeks old (He was the last one available of the litter) and started training as soon as we got home. He's now almost 9 months and is well behaved for the most part (still a few puppy tendencies). He's great with my kids, did well when I boarded him with a friend who had a much bigger lab for a few days, and understands all basic obedience so far.
Stonnie, thank you for your channel. It is always very informative! I learn so much!!! In my mind an ethical and responsible breeder is someone who breeds trying to stay pure to the attributes of the breed, health, well being, delivering happy pups that are well socialized. I'm curious as to why the lab is your favorite over the golden retriever. Don't get me wrong both are great dogs. Which would you recommend to a first time dog owner - and why?
I personally don't care for the poodle. I find them to be a bit high strung. They're smart, but I prefer the more mellow natures of the golden retriever and labrador retriever. Most people that I know that bought a poodle mix did it for the "shedding" aspect which I don't think is a good reason. But again, just my opinion.
yes! poodles are high energy dogs and most doodles, in my opinion, are technically a combination of two high energy (working type) dogs. if that’s what you’re looking for, then get a poodle. if the looks or the minimal shedding is what you’re looking for, then just get a poodle! they essentially look the same
I know that yellow lab! He is doing so well!
If the Doodles are physically healthy and don't suffer from severe mental problems then I don't see a problem. I buy the dogs I like everyone should be able to do the same without being hassled.
If you want a dog that doesnt shed... Why not just get a poodle. They come in a variety of size standards. And its goijg ti hsve the coat you're after, plus they're highly trainable
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And I’ve yet to hear of a doodle breeders that does health checks and established lineage for temperament.
Designer dog breeders care about pumping out those puppie$$$.
I LOATHE them!!
Breeders are crossing poodles and doodles with some random breeds nowadays.
I love standard poodles but I have a doodle they are too head strong for most people
Here in central Canada “doodles” were pushed for years at $4000 as dogs are are inherently born to be service dogs. No work required. Easy, hypoallergenic coat and service dog level behaviour with no owner work or input. It took a few years but word got out. Bang on again Stonie - not the dogs per se but rather a case of people who are not really dog people getting dogs and failing to engage. From $4000 a pop to these dogs being just about given away now.
Exactly, my hav breeder friend has purebred hav bred to champion dogs, asking way less than those doodles, so sad, the effort they put into genetics, health care, whelping at home, selecting appropriate pet parents, followup advice, even will take back pups if problems arise no matter what age, also involved with hav rescue.
It was mentioned at Westminster, Crufts too, about preserving some breeds that were at risk ie Barbet, Clumber Spaniel, Bearded Collies, ... all proven dog breeds, it would be sad if we lost them.
I heard of a specific colour marked bernadoodle going for $16,000!
I got a F1 standard Bernedoodle. Simply put I think they are adorable. Also the temperament is the best dog I have had. He’s awesome with my grand babies. I wanted a Bernese Mountain but was not happy with their life span being so short, by adding the poodle they have a longer life span.
As a groomer my problem with doodles...clients wait until they missed window for grooming training then expect me to keep them fluffy at a point when it is pelted.
Accessories? I do more with my poodle than any of my neighbors w barking labs and pointers behind fences that I have never seen. Sure he’s fancy, but he’s trained and fancy and fun to take out for a hike. It was a lot of work to get my fancy nonshedding ‘accessory’ ready for the world.
Do you disagree with the point I made?
I just see a lot of people buying Doodles because they're looking for a trendy non-shedding muppet that will match their interior colour space and look really cute on an Instagram feed. Most are completely unaware of how demanding the grooming and coat maintenance will be, including those ongoing professional grooming costs. And most also don't really take into account what the poodles are being crossed with and the demands of those breeds. High drive dogs like poodles that get crossed with high energy dogs like Aussies are going to give you a very athletic dog that needs tons of exercise. Every type of breed cross has its own different energy/personality/sociability mix - whether its poodles with terriers or poodles with lazier Bernese mountain dogs. To each his own, as long as they've done their research. I've had 3 English style Goldens and am just happy with their outgoing, relaxed vibe, moderate energy levels and easy wash and wear coats.
Don’t know why but would really appreciate a parenting video from you Stonnie mate you just seem to have an amazing understanding on things
My only complaint about the doodles I've encountered is that they always hog the tennis balls, haha. They just grab as many as they can and hold onto them, sometimes up to three! Other than that, they're fine animals.
Love you Stonie! I was going to buy a doodle, lost my deposit because I watched my friends doodle for a few weeks and changed my mind. It was the sweetest dog but VERY needy. I’m used to dogs that will follow me from room to room just so they can be in my presence and watch over me. This dog was always up in my business needing attention. Wound up adopting a young dog who I think is a mix of white lab and great pyr and I am so very happy. I think a doodle is great for retired people or people with young kids who can give them a lot of attention…..definitely not for working people IMHO.
I have a Miniature Poodle Labrador retriever first cross. We trained in Good Citizen Puppy training classes for 18 months and then did training and competing. I would say that she has medium energy levels, so she loves a long walk or day out but then settles well in the home. Shedding is minimal and as she doesn't have a curly coat she doesn't get clipped at all. All in all, she's a fantastic dog, takes well to training and loves nothing more than to be by my side. Totally safe with children, she is very adept at reading other dogs and will happily play with other well socialised dogs . If there are dogs that she is unsure about, she will just give them a wide berth and not interact with them. For my money, she has the best of the Labrador Retriever traits combined with the size of a smallish poodle. I put this down to being a first cross and good socialisation.
I think a prudent mix breed makes the poodle stronger. It would be cool a mix of black poodle with black Labrador. The black poodle would be pitch black and stronger. I had a mix of black and white poodle, and he was way stronger and healthier than the other poodles and bichons that I've seen. Now I have a Maltese and he is a little on the fragile side with that soft white skin. My lovely black and white poodle was awesome.
Don’t buy from breeders rescue from the pound
I think sometimes people think dogs/ puppies are a commodity in that they don’t take into account the individual puppy’s nature. Have you done any content in how to pick a puppy from a litter based on their behavior as puppies (ex shy, confident etc.) and how the training needs of each “personality” might differ?
Ethical breeders would never produce mutts with no working purpose. Doodles are mutts with no working purpose therefore they're not ethical. And don't tell me they're bred to be service dogs because a doodle is literally unpredictable in temperament, just like every backyard bred dog, purebreds included.
If you want a service dog, the fab four exist. Poodles are good too and no, don't "just get a poodle", get an ethically bred one.
And to everyone that thinks I'm overreacting, please educate yourself and learn about ethical breeding. The problem is never the dog, it's the breeder because an ethical breeder would never allow a puppy to be unsocialised, they would never tell the puppy buyers not going to groomers (yes, doodle breeders actually do that like wtf) ethical breeders give lifetime support, they give health guarantee, they have lines that are not close cousins because the poodle genpool is actually quite big, they health test all their dogs, they prove them in sports and conformation.
Getting a wellbred dog after only having backyard bred ones can really open someones eyes, training is just so much easier and you can always ask someone for advice that has worked with the breeed for years.
Let’s flesh out some of your points:
1. How do you define work?
2. How do you define ethical breeding?
3. What service dog activity, that you have seen consistently demonstrated, in the real world, do you feel can’t be performed by the various poodle crosses?
4. Why do such a large percentage of Poodles have eye / tear duct issues?
5. How does the reality of genetic testing and health guarantees compare to what’s advertised?
Work, the activity the breed was originally bred for, For Poodles and Labs it's hunting, for other breeds it might be herding or carriage guarding, stock guarding etc.
Ethical Breeders:
- prove their dogs in sports/work/conformation
- have breeding goals, for example making the Labrador Retrievers joints better and keeping the awesome retrieving ability (selected breeding for health and sport)
- sell their dogs in a contract that might say a dog must not be altered until a specific age because of health, must not be bred etc. to ensure health and the lines won't be fucked up
- screen the puppybuyers to ensure they're capable of training the dog and socialising it well
- do health testing and only breeds healthy dogs/dogs with low risk
- also show the testing papers to the buyers for transparency so the buyers know, they will most likely get a healthy dog
- have a breeding program, wich means they have more than two dogs, also breed outside their kennel and will eliminate problematic parents from the lines, be transparent about it
- are registred in a club like the AKC or FCI plus a breed specific club, follows the breeding standart of this club
- do early socialisation as for example puppy culture with their pups
- will give lifetime support to the puppybuyers and require updates
- will take responsibility for the dogs they produce for a lifetime (will take them back no matter what without asking questions, will be the second contact on a dogs microchip so they can get the dog if dumped in a shelter and owner can't be contacted)
A dog of any breed can become a service dog, but not all of them.
Doodles have the risk of being unpredictable due to being mutts and their breeders not selecting for temperament.
So if one may be in possession of a Poodle mix and wants to make it a service dog, why not? But when someone is in desperate need for medical assistance in form of a service dog, it is way safer going to reputable breeders of Labs or Poodles because these breeds excell in service work and are way less likely to be washed than a random backyard bred mutt.
Because of inbreeding? (Wich also only happens with dos from unethical breeding because ethical breeders go very deep into the pedigree of their dogs and also breed for diversity) Definetly not. Tearing eyes can come from allergies, infections or genetic health problems wich ethical breeders will test for and eliminate from their programm by simply not breeding these dogs.
Breeding a dog with these issues to a dog from another breed will not solve the problem, offspring has the same chance of the disease as breeding an infected Poodle to a healthy one. Breeding a healthy Poodle to another healthy Poodle has way less risk.
If you mean by "what's advertised" the puppy, it means a lot. Genetically testing potential parents will tell you if they have good hips, good eyes, good ears and what other health issues they might carry. If you breed a healthy dog to a healthy dog, the pup will be healthy. And if it gets, for example elbow displasia anyways, the buyer will get a refund from the breeder because they advertised dogs with no problems.
I think producing healthy and temperamental stable dogs that fulfill their purpose should be the the overall goal.
As someone with a doodle, in communities of people with doodles, I do overwhelmingly see a lot of owners that haven't done research into training, or enrichment, who don't even know how to toilet train, etc. They love their dogs, but are repeatedly baffled when they come across problems - everything from regular teething or adolescence in a dog that's never been redirected in its life - to 'I didn't groom my puppy for 6 months and now it hates grooming help' etc. - to straight up Separation Anxiety and intense reactivity. And it's kind of disheartening how many of those dogs would be doing great (maybe with some challenges, who knows), if they just got regular exercise - even a short sniffy walk - feeding enrichment, and some trick training and obedience training to work their minds.
There *are* some sports minded folks in the doodle groups. I'm not one of them! I enjoy the training side of things, so we keep our boy active with exercise, routine, enrichment, training, but I'm never going to be a runner / hiker etc. We didn't get him because he won't shed on the furniture but because I have unpredictable allergies with dogs (even ones that don't shed) and after allergy testing about 20 litters, this combo provoked the smallest response. He's not my preference, and he's not the kind of dog I'd get if I had no dog allergies! We have cats that shed all over the furniture instead ;) Makes the house feel lived in.
It does seem to be at least in some of the Australian doodle communities a split between people who care a great deal about force free training, enrichment, exercise, etc. and the ones who just get a 'pretty teddy' dog who are shocked that it has a personality and needs and desires. The ones who care a great deal are usually the ones organising meets at enclosed dog parks, who are the first to suggest actual techniques etc., and are also pretty quiet in some of the mixed dog groups because they know how they can be treated for having poodle mixes. And then you have the folks who just...don't want to train, don't care for training, and then just get repeatedly shocked that their dog is impossible to handle, doesn't stop barking, is unmanageable etc.
Our boy isn't perfect by any means. He does have Separation Anxiety, and despite a lot of ongoing socialisation and puppy preschool and obedience, he has some dog friendliness issues. We mostly work on controlled exposure and desensitisation. We know those techniques work. Using them for grooming means he now 'asks' to be groomed in the same way he asks for dinner. He loves both. Wellness vet visits means he can enjoy aspects of being at the vet. Door is a Bore exercises and Absence training means his window of tolerance for us leaving gets longer and longer with ever month.
But...maybe it would be callous of me to say that I sadly think many doodle owners would just not care about these things. They'd leave the house and let the dog bark incessantly in a panicked way all day. They'd have their dog shaking and terrified and muzzled at the vet. They'd rip a comb through them and be like 'oh our boy hates grooming so much!' And sometimes it's really just lack of education and not knowing you can change these things, but I sadly think some of it is also just inertia.
I've met people in this category who own all kinds of dogs, not just poodle mixes. But I do think because poodle minds are sharp and they're quite active overall, their general temperament is less forgiving to lacking early socialisation and obedience training.
I just don't think it's the fault of poodle mixes. I don't even think it's the fault of many breeders (there are ethical ones out there, just like there are unfortunately puppy mills). I *do* think it's the responsibility of many owners who just go 'that's a cute teddy bear, what colours does it come in, and will it mess up my house.' :/ That's a people problem. Not a poodle x problem.
Yes, the parent that gets a energetic dog then does little to no training and leaves it for 8hr work days, zero grooming/brushing at home (do they even know they are pulling on a mat in the hair?) muzzled at groomers because it's their problem now, ...actually this applies to all dogs too but since doodles are everywhere and the dog of the year, well, the education still hasn't gotten out to the latest group of pet parents.