432 Hz? You Miiiight Want To Check Your Sources
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I tune my A to 4.32 Hz so only Elephants can enjoy it. Since then my audience got HEAVYLY invested in my music.
You might mess up their ability to predict earthquakes if you keep tuning that low.
@@mirzaaljic COULD WE GO EVEN LOWER
on the other hand you’re probably making peanuts
Elephant doom metal, absolutely groundbreaking.
@@jj_verona Get the whale market
I love Neely's video and often link it to people online. As a professional piano tuner, the A432 thing just makes me laugh. Pianos are not only tuned to Equal Temperament, which results in lots of irrational numbers for each pitch other than A4, but must also be stretch tuned, so they don't even follow the actual mathematical formula for Equal Temperament, instead varying wildly as you go up and down the octaves. This means that tuning A4 to 432Hz often doesn't result in C4 being exactly 256Hz anyway. It can vary by half a Hertz or more depending on the size of the piano, the length of the strings, how the piano is scaled, etc. It's usually another irrational number like 256.12Hz or 256.73Hz.
It's all just nonsense that preys on one's ignorance.
This is not a disagreement with your sentiment, but as a point of fact we should let the record show that 'irrational number' has a specific mathematical meaning and that your two examples are not irrational numbers.
@@StripeyType thank you for the reply. I'm not a mathematician so perhaps I don't understand the correct definition of 'irrational number', but my understanding is that it is a number than cannot be represented by a simple fraction or a ratio.
Equal temperament consists of dividing the octave into 12 steps using the twelfth root of two (12√2) which is approximately 1.05946 and is not a rational number as I understand it.
The main point of my comment is that we don't even use true Equal Temperament on pianos anyway. We stretch tune them. This is due to the inharmonicity of the strings, the way our ears perceive pitch, and other factors. So now we're not even dividing the octave by the rule of the 12th root of 2 that we devised in the first place, which again leads to even more irrational numbers.
@@JimAlfredson You are correct: irrational numbers are values that cannot be expressed as integer ratios. The two figures you post do not *look* irrational because, I assume, they are approximations of the irrational numbers they stand for--because a non-integer ratio can only be accurately expressed as an infinitely long decimal without a repeating pattern.
But to tune anything in real time, you have to round off. Otherwise, the job would take forever!
@@JimAlfredson yes you've got it right. I had not realized that the numbers you offered as examples were approximation of the twelfth root of two. You are correct that that number is indeed irrational. Thanks for setting my understanding correct.
@@StripeyType your comment made me check my original statement and to make sure I'm not out here adding to the deluge of misinformation! So thank you!
That explains why after tuning everything 432Hz RUclips and instagram started to recommend those Alpha and sigma male channels, I read the word "Agenda" so many times it lost it's meaning to me.
Am I the only one alarmed by the International Flugabone Agenda?
agender = non-binary?
Agenda’r?
Again, duh.
Its just the algorithm feeding you more nonsense conspiracy BS. Because you showed an interest. The agenda is to get you to keep clicking.
So according to history, you're fascist if you like 440, and you're fascist if you like 432. Sounds fair.
Benn likes 440. He is aligned with Nazi’s and is a fascist
I mean, this kinda frequency shit does have weird ties to other weird sigma/alpha male type shit which also often lead to alt right pipelines, I have been suggested that kinda dhit by RUclips after watching a bunch of 432 videos so at least in my experience there's a weird tie even if not direct, like it's unlikely that all the people into this frequency shit are on the same boat politically but even then a lot of the guys who make this shit present it really weird regardless of politics which makes it a perfect for other pseudo science like sigma males or mewing.
Like whenever you google 432 hrtz shit on RUclips it's a lot of thumbnails that look like weird culty shit about big brain or even spiritual increase nonsense kinda like newing and other shit like that, makes one feel uneasy about the whole subculture regardless of fascism, you know?
That is a lot of words to say:
"I'm reactionary"
@@ginogatash4030
439Hz sounds fair...
Couldn't have predicted LaRouche would make an appearance. Truly one of the most unhinged people in modern history.
I haven't watched the video yet, holy shit what a name drop
Yeah, it came out of total left field for me too. Dude was an unhinged maniac, and I can’t help but laugh every time he comes up in conversation because he’s like the Green Goblin of right wing politics - just so cartoonishly awful that he doesn’t sound real
(I’m also too young to have lived through any of his career, so I’m insulated from the actual horrors of his career, and can find it funny)
@@BirthquakeRecords Have you taken a look at the current US Congress? In the 80s, someone like LaRouche had very little chance of being elected to anything anywhere. 40 years later, Christian nationalism and conspiracy nuttery have been normalized. He'd be a legit Republican candidate for office in 2023.
@@BirthquakeRecords there is something inherently funny about the name lyndon larouche, you are seen & you are valid brother
@@BirthquakeRecords and considering LaRouche got his start in left wing politics, and later ended up influencing a set of modern day nutjob "communists" that are mostly ignored/ridiculed by anyone who isn't a terminally online loser, there's a good case that he's kinda the Green Goblin of leftist politics as well! He truly is the nutjob that goes across the isle. A true hero for our politically divided age.
Most people probably don’t listen to either 440 or 432 anyway. Often songs are played pitched up on the radio. Older recordings were sometimes pitched up when recorded on tape with varispeed to sound more energetic or to get all the separate recordings in the same pitch (e.g. Beatles “Strawberry Fields”). Janet Jackson’s “Rhythm Nation” was pitched up and sounds better pitched up, but also crashed particular hard drives. Adam Neely has a good video about this also. And then there’s DJ mixes played at varying tempos. If anything, tempo probably has more of an effect on mood or anxiety than actual tuning. That’s why it’s called “down tempo” or “up beat”.
Yes, man you are making a good point. Not even one vinyl record on a dj gig is tuned to anything stable as long as the record is pitched up or down to beat match the tempos. This is so funny. It never disturbed me on a dance floor. Only some times when a track is pitched to an extreme it could ruin it but i agree it's because of the tempo being changed so much that the track looses it's character (except certain pearls that sound good totally screwed).
@@burn_after_reading used to dj so totally aware. I cringe when I hear pitches move too fast. Though at the same time it's interesting to see the crowd get excited when someone's doing a sloppy mix. Either it's the dissonance in rhythm (pitch slowed down) that people know will resolve or it makes people more aware a new track is coming in. Who doesn't like jazz
Though I do like pitch bending in music in general (funky bass lines come to mind)
And science largely corroborates this tempo observation, showing that not just humans, but, in fact, various animals prefer music that is approximately their resting heart rate, along with being in the same range as their vocalizations.
I thought radio songs were pitched down then sped up???
I agree with you. 440Hz is just a convenience to make instruments play in harmony, nothing more. Music can be out of tune in any way you want. In the early days I did that a few times myself by accident because I started with a sample of something that wasn't an instrument to begin with (and then tuned all other sounds to it, instead of the other way around...)
Thanks for watching, and I hope to see you soon
If it sounds good who cares that you tuned your instruments to that sample!
@@BoshkoIgich Exactly! Music should be enjoyable in any way that sounds good.
Lately I've been exploring microtonal music, and as weird as it sounds, it can turn out absolutely breathtaking if done properly! Music isn't and never will be a definite, just because you like a piece of music, it don't mean others will like it.
So 432Hz couldn't be equally convenient to make instruments play in harmony? Our base 10 or decimal based math is what keeps us from getting "there". Base 12 it is, but if you like 10 fecking go with that but just stop imposing your stuff on the rest just because.
@@BoshkoIgicha lot of the Undertale soundtrack is half-flat or sometimes even more precise than that, and it works really well for them. Though only in the game, not on the official album. Not sure if that means the game is distorting them, or if they were (perhaps mistakenly) re-tuned for album release. Still, a lot of the nostalgic quality in eg the goat lady’s home comes from it being just a little flat like that; even folks who don’t know much about music and who probably don’t have perfect pitch complain about the album version sounding “colder” which I find interesting.
Microtonal stuff is really cool, and a lot of older European pianos are A435 so that can definitely sound more right to some people… but any 432 stuff is total nonsense riding on the coattails of all those other real things.
The studies were triple-blinded which is where the subject doesn't know what they're getting, the provider doesn't know what they're administering, and the researcher doesn't know what they're doing.
I bumped into this first in 1989 when some people in my little town talked about their weird political party. And one of the pamphlets was about 432Hz. It started with "this is more authentic and how old music is supposed to sound", well, OK, that sounds reasonable and interesting. Aaaaaand then they started talking about the natural resonance of the spheres of heaven. 😀And also they wanted to colonize Mars, because that would somehow create world peace.
And yeah, that's how I discovered the LaRouche cult. What nutcases.
Look, if all those people would leave for Mars right now, it probably would contribute significantly to world peace.
considering the current crop of Neo-LaRouchians are going on about building a cross-continental land bridge, their infrastructural and engineering ambitions have gone downhill
@@coen123 Oh I haven't heard anything about the LaRouchies lately.
I like my violin at 432.
Drop D tuning on an electric guitar that's already tuned down as far as possible without floppy strings is meant to invoke the devil but it doesn't work it just sounds cool.
@@drphosferrous that doesn't work for you? works for me! lol
From my experiences either in pro big band, or jazz combo, we usually ask for the piano to be tuned at 441 or 442 Hz, because the brass (I was trumpeter) are often higher in tune. The temperature variations make the sax/brass instruments drift. And moreover I recorded a small year ago with a bagad (breton trad orchestra) and a 7tet, with very high tuned instruments, so we had to tune up till 448 Hz (we could see it on the rev 2) and still felt low in tune. (And then, I don't think being the only one feeling that 440 Hz is low^^). But It's not - in my opinion - a subject worth to talk much about.
I play Scottish highland bagpipes and they are tuned to A 451hz I think.
As a former brass player (now a bass player), I confirm that temperature variations change the brass instruments' pitch ever so slightly, but still noticeably enough to adjust other instruments to. And that's not only because of the instrument itself shrinking, but due to air temperature also. There are fine tuning valves to accommodate for that, but sometimes they can't help enough.
1) what recording studio or concert venue in their right mind is going to pay someone to detune all 88 keys of their piano by ONE OR TWO hertz and 2) What exactly is this supposed to accomplish for drifting tune of the other instruments as the recording/show went on other than make the resultant binaural beat that much more irritating? Has the music industry really gotten this fucking ridiculous?
@@MacPoopmaybe people use a digital piano?
Yep. Aphex Twin's 'Come to Daddy' at 432 Hz is SOOOo much more calming.... 😏
Mike, Aphex Twin WAS an A-432 composer. And other alternate tunings. Play out his tunes over your piano. They don't match A-440 standardized tuning. And Aphex Twin would be in COMPLETE disagreement over what this mean-spirited post is suggesting.
@@Acoustic-Rabbit-Hole damn I forgot to add the '#joke' I guess my attempt humour wasn't as obvious as I intended. I don't generally do mean-spirited.
@@MikeRenouf This person is claiming to speak for Aphex, just ignore them
@@MikeRenouf Hi, Mike. This Frank Montoya. I am The Acoustic Rabbit Hole. I have been banned from this video's replys for disagreeing. If any interest, I am a sound-to-color synesthete, and here is my RUclips page showing my work and color-shape associations. - the acoustic rabbit hole - ruclips.net/channel/UCQzAv4E_kMLQLpK9vzQYg8Q
@@Acoustic-Rabbit-Hole i don't think that Afx tuned to 432 intentionnaly , he's using analog synths and loves to detune them as to produce phase shifts...kind of sure he's laughing out loud when hearing about the 432hz BS.
As a music therapist myself, I always feel like you validate so much about my experience. We, as music therapists, are dealing with these misconceptions like 432 Hz and the Mozart effect and how they impact what people think I do (which is not magic lol).
As audio-engineer, I feel you. We get confused with "audiophiles" all the time.
As an autodidact lover of learning, i am asking you.... Have you ever heard about musical temperaments? Have you really understood the necessity/problem with temperaments? Everybody who only speaks about 432hz without mentioning a temperament is lost in confusion.
Have a great time studying and understanding. I did.
That was a wild, wild ride! It's just so impressive how many skills you possess in music making, research, and public communication.
(Derogatory)
It's easy to seem impressive when all you do is lie
@@niggagamer444 OK buddy...
My brother got really into 432Hz for a while as a teenager and he bought a program that would convert his mp3 library to that tuning. He then explained to me how 432Hz made the kick drum resonate a lot more with him. And I, being a drummer, told him that that's odd since a kick drum isn't tuned to 440Hz to begin with. The tricks our minds can play on us when we become convinced
Honestly as an Italian I've never heard of 432hz outside of American/ English RUclips. Will ask around, this was extremely interesting!
Mr. Romani, here is some of my sound-to-color music theory. - ruclips.net/video/Jq5nbMt4zrE/видео.html
same here
Confermo :)
ti sei perso Red Ronnie allora
Beati voi
As a 432Hz music advocate, I LOVE this video! I use 432Hz tuning to align a system of harmonic BPMs, by using this as the tuning frequency, the harmonic BPMs are much easier numbers to use in a DAW, with fewer decimal places to allow this. The system of harmonic BPMs have changed my live set for the better in amazing ways - Every sound I create can be used at any BPM and be in-tune with the performance.... I've been performing electronic music for 25 years, and the harmonic BPM framework has been the most significant thing I've done! Your analysis of the nonsense and waffle is amazing - for me, it's all about the maths and the fundamental numbers - Intention trumps tuning 100% of the time! Thanks Benn.
I am curious what this sounds like. Can you link to a video of you playing with harmonic bpms and how it makes your set better?
@@benavanzato5127 I’ll be putting some content online soon - All of the maths and frameworks are outlined in a book called Mathemagical Music Production - it’s on Kindle as well as hard copy - essentially linking the BPM to the key… when re-pitched all the keys work harmoniously, for example, allowing you to take a sound made in A @ 101.25 bpm, speed it up to 135 and it plays in D - I’ve built an ableton set with hundreds of sounds, and I can jam them all together, seamlessly switching genre and style - planning a few videos soon so will keep you posted :) 🎶🔊
20 years ago I discovered the Flashbulb and enjoyed it a lot, time passed, and now I discover that you are not only a great musician but also someone who has a lot of interesting things to say. So I just want to say thanks !
I would have never knew til I read this comment. Never knew his real name or what he looks like. Adult swim exposed me to the flashbulb forever ago
The only thing 432Hz achieves is triggering people with perfect pitch
I always wondered where this conversation came from..."Post truth" is right. There seems to be a collective revisiting of these fascist watermarks, that is entirely intentional. I'm glad that people are picking up on it, and you are sharing this, on your platform. Great work!
Nah. It's post-truth allright, and that just means people abandon any notion of established, objective truth, or solid science, and think they can claim that whatever they think is true is the truth, and so they do that. But yeah, the Italian angle was funny, didn't see that one coming. Just another instance of "reality is stranger than fiction".
Thanks to you and Benn Jordan for making me feel less insane and alone in this observation. I felt like that one episode of Voyager where Seven of Nine downloads the entire ship's database into her cortical implants and makes wild associations, but there is an actual thread of coherence though all of this. A lot of the things expressed by modern spiritualists remind me of what little actual fascist theory I could dust up and read about (Sun Tzu's advice of knowing your enemy better than your friend) especially fascistoid art movements.
I'd certainly say the "post truth" movement is "right", usually very "right".
@@homeopathicfossil-fuels4789very true. “alternative” or new age stuff has been incubating this stuff for a long time but it’s definitely getting a lot worse lately. love the username btw
And you never stopped for a second to wonder why?
All the notes in A432hz are whole numbers, no fractions, and all are multiples of the number 9. The bass clef, the Fibonacci spiral and even the cochlea are in the shape of that spiral. You can be cavalier about it, but there are many mathematical and natural co-incidences !
C being 256 Hz when A is 432 Hz only works in Pythagorean (3-limit Just Intonation) tuning, which has seen very little use in the last few centuries. In the current 12-equal system, C would be 256.8687... Hz when A is 432 Hz. 12-equal historically came about as a simplification of Meantone temperament, which itself came about as a compromise between Pythagorean tuning and 5-limit JI. The reason for this compromise is the 3-limit major third, ratio 81/64, sounds rough and discordant, while the 5-limit major third, ratio 5/4 (or 80/64) sounds restful and at peace, but by slightly fudging the values of 3, 5, and/or 2, the difference between these two tones (81/80) gets tempered out. The purity of the whole numbers is sacrificed a bit to make these two major thirds identical. When we think of the note "C" in relation to the note "A" within the current meantone/12tet paradigm, we usually say that "A is a minor third (6/5) below C" or "A is a major sixth (5/3) above C". These are 5-limit ratios. We think of "F" as the 'subdominant' of "C"; it is a perfect fifth (3/2) below "C" or a perfect fourth (4/3) above "C", and "A" is a major third (5/4) above that. (4/3)*(5/4)=5/3. We don't tend to think of "A" as a 27/16 ratio (although 27/16 and 5/3 are equated in 12tet and all meantone systems). But for C to equal 256 Hz and A to equal 432 Hz in the same tuning, A would have to be a pure 27/16 ratio above C, not a 5/3, and not a tempered midpoint between them. Basically, if you're using A432 to get "nice round whole numbers" for your frequencies, and you're using virtually any instrument available today, you're doing it wrong.
and that's not even getting into the fallacy of seeking "nice round whole numbers" when multiplying ratios, especially within a base-10 numbering system
You know, I did an experiment for a highschool psychology class regarding 432 tuning, and I found no correlation. Granted, my method was based on a highly subjective ranking of how relaxing a song was to a person, and my sample size was something like 8 teenagers, but if we want to be dealing with tiny and poorly conducted studies, I feel we should add my research to the pile.
Make a video and put up a paper online :) Would love to hear more on what you have to say.
@@ForeverConsciousResearch genuinely, I think the above comment is about all I have to say about that experiment. I doubt I still have any of documentation anywhere, and even as I was carrying out the experiment I knew it was far too small to be remotely conclusive. It was a highschool project and I mentioned it here mainly as a joke about poorly designed or executed experiments.
@@reaganharder1480 8 is a small sample for sure but appreciate the response. Thanks for getting back to me.
Im so excited to see this one. I've been saying it for what feels like forever now that 432hz is the flat earth theory of music. lmao. This is gonna be great.
I mean, musically speaking, it does literally make for a “flat” Earth. 😂
@@avianna7738 lmaoooo. Holy shit I didn't even think about that.
was going to make this same comment. not surprised someone else thought of it, people like to imagine there's a "better way" and they have the key to it, i think they're just bored.
Young people were raised being able to look up information on their phones and now it is backfiring. It's like they missed the fundamentals of science and life.
@Versus I think it comes from that all too familiar human desire to be "in the know", and people searching for information based on how it makes them feel rather than concrete facts. Adam Neely said it really well, it's easy to look around at the world and see something is fundamentally wrong and to try and find a way to explain that. But tuning systems ain't it. Lmao
A far bigger issue than 440 vs 432 is equal tempered tuning, which is essentially out of tune with the natural harmonics of the root note.
I am glad you mentioned that it's not inherently wrong to listen to 432hz music in here. I'm absolutely no defender of the claims that music tuned to it makes it inherently more spiritually potent, but I will say that the few times I've heard music in 440 replayed in 432 for comparison's sake have felt like the aural comparison of when the shower water is a liiiittle too cold, so you turn it up and it feels just that little bit nicer on the skin. Though I think this feeling could be achieved by going from 440 to any slightly lower frequency, and is just a natural response to hearing higher frequencies calm down if only a little. I think *that* feeling is a very easy one to exploit and misunderstand as "hearing it in the right frequencies". If you played music to these musical flat-earthers without perfect pitch in, say, 444hz, and tuned it down to 440 by comparison, and pretended that you went from 440 to 432, they'd probably believe you and likely have exactly the same reaction.
This makes sense. I think lowering any parameter (volume, tempo, etc.) combined with the fact that people can compare it to some original will often lead to the idea that the version with the lower parameter sounds more calming or balanced. You could do it with any sound probably, not just music. Going up on a slider usually intensifies something, while going down usually calms things down.
And yeah, most people probably wouldn't notice any effect unless they are able compare two versions or if they're told it's the specific frequency they want it to be (even if it isn't).
That alone should make people stop and think about how much they create inside their own head and how much is actually caused by vague universal and natural forces. Our brain plays tricks on us all the time, but it can be hard to admit and accept that, so instead we point to external forces. Which is fine, as long as it doesn't harm others...
There is a difference, alot of my favourite IDM is in 432hz and the difference is there, I dont buy any of the conspiracy theories though, I think it just sounds better because its more unusual and the brain likes some novelty.
Listening to 432hz makes you a fascist racist nazi science hating Trump supporter
@@ricochetsixtyten I honestly doubt the ability of any average listener to distinguish the difference between 432 and 440Hz without comparing them side by side. Like, play a song at one tuning today, and another tomorrow, and 9.9 times out of 10, nobody would even know you did anything to it.
The only thing good to come out of this whole movement was that, when I first discovered this was even a thing, I watched a video of a side-by-side comparison, and discovered an artist being used as the sample song. I've since listened to and enjoyed it quite a bit -- at its normal speed.
the funniest option on any of my instruments, by far, is probably my Alpha Juno being able to switch to A432 tuning. thanks for that, Roland!
It would be hilarious if some vendor intentionally included a 435Hz option, just to troll. haha
I have a feeling these comments are gonna get spicy, and the video isn't even out yet... this and your women in producing video are amazing, please keep covering topics like this!
Think I know what your saying. Lol
"females"?
@@Taschenschieber See earlier video ruclips.net/video/2Ipb81z46kI/видео.html
@@sashafury2422 I've figured out OP was referring to this video: ruclips.net/video/2Ipb81z46kI/видео.html
Some quotation marks would have helped...
whatever makes you feel good is the right ''vibration''...
Verd-ee. He wasn’t a random Opera singer. He was one of the most important artists (composers) of the 19th century. There was no standard tuning in Europe at that time. Some Opera arias are more difficult to sing now because the original pitch was almost a half step lower. That may have been his concern. He also didn’t like tubas. He preferred cimbasso. I don’t care what pitch you’re tuning to. I play trombone. We can tune to anything!
@diannebettag9313
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Thanks for your defense of Verdi. He was also an elected official in Italy and got legislation passed there to lower the pitch to 432hz in order to save the voices of the singers. Below is a Reply I made above.
"It's amazing that you are the first one to mention one of the problems of singing at the higher pitches. The reason the Schiller Institute was able to get every major opera singer to sign onto the call for lowering the pitch is that the higher pitches are ruining their voices and causing them to retire earlier. The other reason is that the register shifts show up in the wrong places, changing the meaning of the composers' intentions... "
Larouche and Verdi should not
be mentioned in the same bit.
Think Trump /Einstein. An idiot
and a Genius sharing a single
opinion can happen. Verdi was
only thinking of singers. Most
stupid ideas have a US origin.
In 20 years in California I heard It all:TV soaps / Shakespeare,
Chaplin/3 Stooges,same level.
Bach and Mozart were prolific
because they had no TV. As an
Italian musician I see more Anglos with trendy fixations.
All Blues and Jazz guys I met
(b.1910/23) were all music and no bull, including some
who worked with Benny Carter
and Duke Ellington. An original 1823 Guadagnini guitar I had
returned to 430 by itself while
my modern ones (1923/28/48
51/59/67/83) sound "right" at
440, flabby if lower,shrill if high
Most string instruments were
invented or perfected in Italy,
and also musical terms , even
Orchestra (mispronounced) I
played American music all my
life and this great US gift to the
world sadly comes from folks
often despised and slavery.
Tuning to one's voice range was common.Classical friends
I know use 415/430/435/440
for diffent periods. Love music
and let us shut up and play.
This was excellent. I wish there was content like this about the 528hZ solfeggio stuff too. Many of the websites promoting these concepts of present the two as if they are both simultaneously true, and they are wildly inharmonic with each other. One other thing I would like to note is that many of the 432 proponents also wish to abandon even temperament and use whole number values for note frequencies. Which would make simply tuning your instruments or recordings down 32cents insufficient anyway. The vast majority of music made in 432 is still even temperament though, negating much of the claimed of esoteric value. The whole thing doesn't stan up to the least bit of critical investigation.
I can understand why someone might "feel" that the same music played at a slightly lower pitch is warmer, fuller, and more relaxing. Because IT IS! That's what lowering the pitch does, but not because it's more in-line with our molecular heartbeat. It's like comparing 2 processes in audio (eq or compression), whatever process makes the music louder will sound better to us. Now how about we debunk Solfeggio Tones!
Yeah this guy is trying to debunk placebo effect which is not only impossible but also just a really shitty thing to do. Imagine someone takes a placebo medication and they feel perfect and cured and then this assholes comes in and says "akthually it's just a sugar pill it's thientifickly impothible for that to have helped you"
What do you mean debunk?
What are solfeggio tones???
Actually A432 sounds more depressing, soul draining and sad to me than the established standard. Even spooky, and knowing its origin just reinforces the spook-factor for me.
Bassy music is nice but it feels like 432 is in an uncanny valley of the seriously geologically unstable kind.
@@homeopathicfossil-fuels4789 Yeah... but that's how it just makes YOU feel. Music is a highly personal experience. The feelings invoked in me by different genres of music are very different than the feelings invoked into you, or other people. The same would go for tunings. For many, Opera music lifts their spirits. For me, it's nails on a chalkboard. There is no universal rule.
I tune my drums to 432 all the time, especially hi-hats, sounds astonishing!
I prefer A=220 Hz myself. It's much lower and makes everything sound super nice, but it's still consistent with the 440 Hz tuning so you can jam. Only an octave lower of course.
:'D
Hell yeah! Run everything through polyphonic octavers! Haha
HAINBACH, is that you?? Play it back at half speed!
Woof Woof. I prefer 28160 🐕
I make my E string tight, then tune everything to that. Good enough for folk music .. literally
Baffled as to how you have time to make these great videos - not to mention the background research involved - and still manage to put out amazing work like your recent album but I appreciate it all.
b probably just uses his downtime in one video as the moment to research something else. I can picture him reading these 432 articles on that little dingy boat he had in the Florida swamps with the 'gators
When one hates Spirituality THAT much, he will take out extra time to lash out. - www.youtube.com/@theacousticrabbithole9608
The little sound edits tuning down when you speak the words are so damn cool and immersive
Yes! Awesome little nuggets :-)
What a ride, loved every minute of it. The sheer etertainment value of some of these insane rabbit holes is just great
The _basic concept_ isn't total nonsense. When I had surgery once, I started having an allergic reaction to the stitches, and there was nothing I could do to control it--meds didn't help. My surgeon, who was an expert on doing surgery on people with nervous system dysfunction (I inappropriately go into an allergy state as a result of dysautonomia), told me to get a microcurrent device and to find out the right frequency to simply tell my body to have inflammation somewhere else instead of around my 12-inch incision. See, the nervous system uses an electrical signal of differing frequencies to communicate instructions to the body. One thing it affects significantly is, as I just mentioned, inflammation (aka hemodynamics). So different frequencies send blood to different parts of your body, and that can induce different moods, but if you're not talking about a pure tone (or an electrical current being sent through the body), then the effect is incredibly minor. Obviously any piece of music is going to have tons of different frequencies so it's just absurd to suggest that editing it to be ?in a certain key? (i'm not a musician so unclear on the actual technical changes here) would have such a powerful effect. The thing is, the placebo effect is also a direct consequence of the inflammatory response, so what is being studied here is the most prone to outside influence from all the other factors that determine your mood
What is less bullshit, though, is the idea that different temperatures of light can affect your mood. Sitting in a room with all blue walls will immediately trigger a panic attack for me, but due to my dysautonomia the effect of color on my nervous system is magnified in me compared to other people. Even being presented with huge fields of color has only a minor impact on mood in most people.
Thank you for your comment. I’m actually planning to do a dive into the effect of frequency on inflammation and if a microcurrent device could help with inflammation from RA. I know you say that without a pure tone or electrical current the effects would be incredibly minor but in my personal experience of living with RA, I have noticed significant changes in my body’s inflammation and in my mood due to the frequency, tempo, tone, etc of the music/sound I listen to (only when listened to with noise cancelling over the ear headphones) even without it being a pure and constant tone. Of course we all have sounds that resonate with each of us as individuals, but I would never assume that just because it resonates with and helps me that it would be beneficial to someone else.
Also I have heard of dysautonomia before but didn’t really know much about it. After reading your comment I looked into it and I think your comment was meant for me to see its. As someone who has Chiari malformation type I with a 7-9mm herniation, Sjogren’s, and RA, I am constantly dealing with almost all of the symptoms of dysautonomia, of which the brain fog, migraines, dizziness/vertigo, sound/light sensitivities, severe dry eyes (and eye/vision issues in general), ❤ palpitations/chest pains, anxiety, and dysphagia are the most common and annoying for me. It can all make you feel like you’re going crazy and not understanding what’s going on is frightening. If I had known all of the symptoms I deal with could all be related to one issue, I may not of been in such a constant state of worry and fear for so long. Sometimes it just helps to know we’re not alone in what we are going through, ya know?
Anyways, that’s for posting your comment and sharing your experiences.
I respond positively to Slayer, Bolt Thrower, Death and Sodom. It is legitimately calming to my already overly speedy pattern-obsessed brain. I don't think any of them bothered lowering their songs to that pitch though.
man, Bolt Thrower. I remember buying Realm of Chaos before I knew them. that's some classic death.
Slayer are nazis
Benn and his comment section are the new generational Einstein’s that have transcended the knowledge of the individuals that harnessed magnetic energy, built the pyramids and were the inspiration/blue print behind most of Tesla’s inventions which are still being used today. It is a miracle that Benn and friends surpassed the knowledge that has withstood the test of time all behind their computer screens. Congratulations
I always used A=432 in my tradpunk group, Göebbel’s Wet Syringe’ Hot Revenge and His Secret Police-are you trying to suggest we had some kind of connection to fascism?
When I was a kid just starting on guitar, my tuner died. Instead of buying a new one, I decided my scant money would be better spent on a Big Muff Pi. I learned music on piano, so I would tune my guitar to my family's piano, but our piano was old and had survived multiple moves across state lines, so even the piano wasn't a reliable source of perfect pitch. I had to tune my guitars to what felt right. I was tuning low for the songs I was writing anyway, which opened up its own can of worms, especially on acoustic guitars that don't let you adjust the intonation. When I finally graduated into buying synthesizers years later, I found out that my tuning standard had me tuning to slack keys, like halfway between E standard & a half step down. It probably generally wound up around 426Hz, but whenever I wrote songs, I'd play around with the tuning until the tone just clicked with how I felt. Whether that was sharp or flat or right on the 440 mark, I didn't care, I just knew it was right when I heard it. Was it annoying trying to record several different instruments in nonstandard tuning? Not really. I just use my ears! Would it be annoying to jam with other musicians that way? Absolutely! I totally get why standard tuning is a thing, that makes sense. But this notion that there's one singular frequency that resonates with humans most naturally is hogwash. I can't predict what will resonate with me any time I sit down to write music, I have to find it every time, and I love that aspect of experimentation. There is no one right frequency, there are just right frequencies for the way I feel in the moment. I think every song has that one key it works best in, but there's no wrong option. Ya know? The best example I know is Magnolia Electric Co.'s "Trouble In Mind" and "Nashville Moon". They're the same exact song in musical structure, but one is a Nina Simone cover in F and the other is an original work in A. Some days, "Trouble In Mind" hits the spot, others "Nashville Moon" speaks to me like nothing else. I wanna exhort musicians: if you're not afraid of a little trial & error, try different tunings for your music! There is no one perfect way, just a most convenient way.
432 hz guy: "These sheep don't know anything about pure harmony"
People who do: "Then why don't you ever play in Just Intonation"
432 hz guy: "In what? Is that a Tesla term?"
This is an interesting topic, I agree to most extend and I would like to add some historical dimension to the topic. I'm playing a historical church organ of 1892 which is tuned at 20 degrees Celsius to 434 Hz... in winter it changes to 432 Hz ... in hot summer then maybe 437 Hz and sometimes organ can't accompaign other instruments with my organ, because other instrument are tuned to 440Hz, and extraordinary work would have to be done by an amateur to get the other instrument tuned to the organs tune. Tuning the historical organ would mean to hurt thousands of pipes. Same with old pianoforte's called hammerklavier which were used by Beethoven and Mozart... those old piano's sometimes don't have a metal frame, it is sometimes only a wood frame, to withhold the tension of all the more than 100 strings..(1,5 tons on modern piano).. And yes there are some orchestras around, playing on historical instruments with below 440 Hz. Modern orchestras play at 442 Hz to even 445 Hz, but yes this can be a problem for human voice to get High C for the Tenor in an opera etc... Did you know that when Nazi Germany declared 440 Hz as standard, American and other nation's orchestras didn't want to follow Nazi German order and started playing 442 Hz? I saw a Beatles band portrait in your video, did you know that records of Beatles always were tuned a little bit higher than 440 Hz... another thing is, that if you have an orchestra accompanying a woodwind or brass or even string instrument, those solo instruments tend to be tune higher e.g. if you blow more air into well tuned flute, it might deviate to a slight higher tune, without audience really realizing it, or even appreciate it. Before 17.th century the tuning in Germany floated depending the region between 450 and 480 Hz. The organ in Leipzig where Johann Sebastian Bach played was tuned to 465 Hz. After Bach there was long a definition of 441 Hz Cammerton. The french standard was in older n time 408-392 Hz. In France there was a standard in 18th century 416 Hz. So i really appreciate the modern standard a 440Hz standard, but old piano music might have sounded differently. Strings which have not such a high tension give a more round, less treble sound. But treble is nowadays wished...
The other day I accidentally tuned my oscillator to 432Hz and unlocked the mysteries of the universe.
What did the Vorlons think of your 432Hz dubstep tunes? Expiring minds needs two no.
I'm glad someone else noticed the math was questionable. Though I do find the ranges of the various schuman frequencies a fun thing to play with. It's nice to think about the interconnectiveness through frequencies.
This coincides with the new age movement taking a hard right turn. Almost every extreme right winger I've encountered recently has been a hippie.
Agreed. It feels like the real conspiracy is to radicalize left-leaning fans of woo to the far right.
I play guitar and have found 432 more enjoyable and disonate especially with open tuning which is great for playing Tool covers. I always ask if the other musicisns I play with are comfortable with tuning to me, and am always willing to go 440, but never met anyone who really gave a crap either way.
The chakras are actually human organs. They are the endocrine system
Nope
430 gives me a headache, 440 takes a bit longer but it's still uncomfortable. This video hurts after about a minute.
Hilarious video!
I recently had a friend who was obsessed by 432 so I looked into it and saw how flakey the pseudo science was behind it and also looked at some of the history of tuning standards in classical music.
A much bigger difference in my opinion is the difference between equal temperament and just intonation.
Also should we ban anyone from playing in A flat or other keys that don’t include A - 432?
You are bang on about the whole point of a standard that everyone adheres to is that you can play along on other instruments or Dj etc.
Love your work - keep it coming.
LMAO never thought about the just intonation thing. I’ve seen people ask for A432 saxophones but… like you say they’re not tuned to that! Maybe a C melody sax in whatever range would play the 256 lmao
I tend to dislike the modern music scale, but that's purely down to personal taste!
When you tune to A=408, it puts the 432 at Bb, and it sounds great for the blues.
Interesting fact, mallet instruments like the xylophone, glockenspiel, etc. are tuned slightly sharp of 440hz as so they cut through the orchestra
[EDIT] While the book I mention below does predominatly focus on tuning systems (which are not the same as a reference pitch for said system), it also discusses the topic of different reference pitches used within Western Art Music, which does relate to the topic of this video.
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A book I would highly recomment to anyone interested in learning more about tuning and temperament (which tie quite well into this topic) is "How Equal Temperament Ruined Harmony" by Ross W. Duffin. It discusses the topic in a very interesting and accessible way, and while it doesn't discuss 432 as a tuning pitch, it shows that over the years us musicians performing Western Art Music have set our A a many different frequencies over the years, and we still do! A442 is common with symphony orchestras in the USA, A440 is common in the UK, and in Germany it is often A443 or even higher!
Thanks for yet another really engaging video Benn!
Humm, interesting,. The tuning differences may be related with pitch inflation.
When I was a kid, I was in a kids orchestra in school, once we went to play at a place at high altitude, and the instruments got affected so we did not tune to 440, and according to the director that seemed to be a normal solution in such cases, he actually liked to use 445 Hz quite often anyways, just because of his personal taste for the music we werte playing. Tuning depends a lot on the directors and of course the oboe.
A great counter-point to Duffin's work is Webern's "The Path to The New Music," which outlines how evolving tuning systems gave rise to the conditions needed to formulate harmony as we know it and also to the logical evolution of harmony into serialism.
@@janzabram That is a great point, it is pretty difficult to perform chromatic music with 1/4 comma meantone! The section toward the end of the Dufffin does address this in quite a nice way, if I remember correctly
For an explanation that doesn't have an axe to grind :-), try this video: ruclips.net/video/TgwaiEKnMTQ/видео.html
Great video, I didn’t expect Lyndon LaRouche! My challenge to 432 Hz is why is it only a note’s fundamental frequency and none of its harmonic content that makes it “in tune with the earth” or whatever? No matter the tuning, most music has a lot of information at 432 Hz. Cut it with a notch filter to hear the difference.
Benn, videos like these are why you are my hero.
Although I don't care about this, I have to be honest
This 432 Hz works great with relaxing music. I always put sleep music on before I go to sleep, but this time when I listened to this 432 Hz , my ears did not hurt.
I feel that's kinda placebo though, like comparing it to usual hrtz in songs and such already puts your brain in a mindset of "this is better" at least in the moment because it's slightly new.
I make meditation music but will be religiously referring anyone unhinged enough to suggest that I retune my music to 432hz to this video. Thank you, brother ❤
Tuning down 8hz is good if you’re playing with brass & woodwinds outside in winter ❄️. And tuning up is even better in summer if you’re in the sun with saxes. ☀️
Fun fact.
I clicked the like that turned it from 432 to 433.
We’re in a frequency based reality and there are countless historical and mathematical findings pointing us to these frequencies being most resonant to our natural surroundings. Multiple studies showing the positive response the human body has to these frequencies and some of the very first instruments have been proven to be tuned to or have the ability to produce 432 and 528hz tones.
I tried making a couple of songs with a=428, just to try doing "wrong" on purpose. I initially tuned to Rowland S Howards guitar in an old Birthday Party song. It works, but it sounds like you've run the tape slow on playback. Sort of fun effect.
All music would be better if we tuned to Rowland S Howard
@@DrClocktopus1 I don't think my music system has that many letters.
Yeah, I don’t know about this supposed opinion that it sounds “better”. To me it sounds slow and unnatural, like I’ve just entered a horror movie.
@@avianna7738 It sounds like priming to me.
Someone is told a thing by a person who presents some kind of credibility display (this is a social display, not actual evidence of credibility) and so the person becomes primed to believe a thing before they've even encountered it. They've made an association between the credibility display and the thing itself. So when they do encounter the thing itself, they buy into whatever the claims about the thing were uncritically.
@@avianna7738 I wouldn't say "better" either, but sometimes slow and unnatural can be just what a song needs. I play mostly stoner doom type of stuff so you can see how this tuning might fit the music.
I tune my guitar to 432Hz, I like the way it sounds and it's a little easier to play as the strings have a little less tension.
It also helps a little when singing high notes.
Have you tried 428?
Have you tried 427 Hz?
I used to use it in electronic music programming because 432 is divisible by 2 and by 3 to high powers, which made the math easy.
Yeah, then you can easily calculate a lower A and a D below that. It is still hard to calculate other tones.
Get your instrument. Tune it to this and play it. After that tune it to that and play it. Then decide which works for you. That's it.
Perfect comment
I love it when skepticism meets BS! Well done, Benn.
For the majority of the time period during which humans have had the ability to reproduce high-fidelity musical recordings, the technology used for playback has included a mechanical component. It has only been in the past 40 years or so that digital reproduction has become the norm, and even CD players had certain tolerances regarding their rate of mechanical spin. So, for instance, you might have had a mixtape you were listening to on cassette using your home component stereo, but when you popped the same cassette into your car stereo, the carriage speed was likely somewhat different, creating a sound that could differ by a quarter tone or more. When I was a kid, I remember being surprised that nobody else in my family seemed to notice or care about this, and they seemed bewildered that I had found yet another environmental irritant to complain about, and it led to a certain amount of narcissistic parental bragging that I have perfect pitch, although if that were true, it could never be proven because I've never tried to memorize the sound of particular named frequencies. But the upswing is that few aficionados were prepared to have all their cassette decks or record players or 8-track, reel-to-reel systems, Victrolas, etc., professionally calibrated twice a year. Not only does the Schumann resonant frequency vary throughout the day and from place to place, it's even sort of questionable that any tuning, whether A-440 or otherwise, is anything but a ballpark or a benchmark anyway, and dentists' offices are likely far from ideal laboratory settings for conducting such studies.
It's also worth noting that these numbers -- 432, 440, etc. -- are all hertz, AKA cycles per second... and therefore, all of them are based on a completely arbitrary human unit of measurement: the second.
It shouldn't surprise me anymore with what people will believe...
I get around these tuning debacles by writing all of my songs in the key of H.
and all real musicians' songs are 69 BPM
Funnily enough in some countries B was for a long time called H. It's basically because of an ancient typo, lower case b looking a lot like a h. I live in Sweden and learned the notes like this but rejected it and starting using b as soon as I started making music with a computer. Germany still uses h to this day.
In finland it is H as well
shows how much you know, I'm currently in the hospital having emergency chakra replacement therapy.
Chatgpt is better:
The frequency of 432Hz is often described as being more harmonious and pleasant to the ear compared to the more commonly used standard tuning of 440Hz for musical instruments. Some people believe that tuning music to 432Hz makes it more relaxing and resonant with the body and nature, based on the idea that it aligns more closely with certain natural rhythms and patterns.
However, the preference for 432Hz over 440Hz is largely subjective, and scientific evidence supporting the claimed benefits of 432Hz tuning is limited. It's also worth noting that historical tuning standards have varied widely over time and across different cultures, with no single frequency being universally accepted or used.
The discussion around 432Hz vs. 440Hz often touches on topics like music therapy, sound healing, and the psychological impact of music, but it's important to approach these claims critically and recognize that personal preference plays a significant role in how frequencies are perceived and experienced.
Let's not even get into Veretasium's video asking if all published studies are flawed by nature of the publishing system.
Der ganze Schwachsinn, der im Internet verbreitet wird, verursacht bei mir Schmerzen. Thanks for pointing this out Benn.
Here's a crazy secret: you can tune A4 to whatever you want! Look at that synth behind Benn. Turn the pitch knob around until it sounds good and forget about numbers. Tune to A=420Hz and resonate with the dankness of the illuminati.
ah yes, the 432hz to having crappy worldview pipeline.
Love that global youth initiative' ad that features a prominent photo of a woman in her mid 50s, big conservative energy there.
While the mathematician in me likes the convenience of Cs being powers of 2, the fact is that Hz is cycles per second, and a second is a purely arbitrary unit unrelated to any physical phenomena, so numbers that look nice and clean in seconds have no physical advantage whatsoever.
Hell, the definition of a second isn't even some nice round multiple of what it's defined in terms of. Wasn't when it was in terms of a day, and still isn't for the microwave radiation used now.
I'm Italian, and let me just tell you, listening to music tuned to 432Hz stresses me out. Sounds flat. Maybe if I smoked pot all day, my brain would run slower and it would be amazing... or I'd at least be less stressed 🤔Hmm. Thanks, Benn!
Sound Frequencies or Sound Waves are mechanical waves, meaning they require a medium (like air, water, or solids) to travel through - The Schumann Resonance is electromagnetic AND refers to a set of extremely low-frequency (ELF) electromagnetic waves - it's a whole different thing...
I do not understand the 432hz thing at all.
However..
My music player app has a playback speed setting, and it is fun to slow down fast music like EDM and breakcore to hear how different it feels. I usually do like -6 semitones or -5.
I habitually play up-tempo EDM videos at 0.75 for a deeper groove.
The Law of Stardust reads that music doesn't improve with 432hz, it only sounds better with YOU.
Your bias emotions overshadow your logic to persuade any reason for your position, when you gave more against than for it.
Cope
So what you're saying is that he gave much more logic against 432hz.
As a life long learner, I think it's important not to shut down new information because it doesn't fit your own pre concieved belief. I've listened to fibonacci sequence a number of times and felt relaxed etc, however, reading the comments of actual individuals that understand and are able to calculate note frequency, and also understanding the history a little better, I can honestly say that they know much more than I. I'm going to listen and be open to what they have to say. Dunning kruger and appeal to the stone (i.e your comment) is not logic. Edit also appeal to bias
occasionally I tune to A420 because it's the real vibes frequency
432 Hz is divisible by 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, and 9. The reason a tritone is called the Devil's interval is because the ratio between the two notes is this gross 45 : 32 compared to a perfect fifth which is 3 : 2 and so the harmonics of 432 Hz fits way cleaner, according to our math and understanding of the world. The problem is that we've heard 440 Hz our whole life at this point so it's just familiar. Also Equal Temperament (which disrupts a lot of natural harmonics) is used to tune instead of Just Scale (which is based on natural harmonics) to accommodate the physical limitations of instruments and making certain octaves sound more uniform. We've been conditioned to prefer the chaos, pure harmony is probably just boring to our ears now. I also don't like that you tied this politically to fascism. It's like saying, Hitler was really into drinking water therefore water drinking bad. The reality is that this hasn't been researched thoroughly by modern science and unnecessarily tying a stigma to the discourse this early in its development does a disservice to the potential impact it could have on something as globally widespread as music and our soundscape in general.
yeah his take is a little frustrating
This was excellent, love how you cut through the bull with science as knowledge, huge respect, you are making the world cleverer
hi benn, thanks for the video!
Interestingly, i've always attributed *443Hz* to facism - for context here in Vienna, Austria it is nearly impossible to find a piano tuned at 440Hz, they are all at 443(up to 445 sometimes which is crazy).
Historically, we've had 435-438Hz here (end of 19th/beginning of 20th century) right up til 1938 aand then we didn't anymore.
At the International Conference in London in 1940 western countries agreed to A440Hz, but we still... don't (?)
Especially classical musicians defend this with such viciousness and fanatism pretty similar to the 432Hz crowd... yikes.
(Funnily enough they keep defending that disgusting vibrato that the nazis brought the same way, pretending as if it were necessary to *produce* sound on string instruments ☠️)
I pulled my hair out trying to explain this to some non-musical friends and how utterly absurd the premise was. 🙄
I've done an incredibly large amount of psychedelics, and so I've interacted with new age people more than most people. I've been hearing the 432 Hz thing for years xD
For a while, when I was younger and lacking in critical condition thinking skills, I indulged myself in some of these ideas and got lost in a delusional worldview for a few years. (But who doesn't?? :P)
People think they are getting these "spiritual insights" but 99% of the time, they're just being manipulated. The culture around psychedelics is full of this, which is sad, because they have so much potential for healing... Yin and yang, I guess.
As much as they can be used to heal, they can be used to damage. A lie, when believed, is a mental wound... But it always presents itself as a blessing.
Be careful out there, you kids ;D
I was reading a medical study once that was talking about destroying cancer with sonics and 440hz was one of the frequencies that worked
What if Satan approves of Fidelity in a marriage. Does that make it wrong? 🤔
I tune everything to 420 seems the most calming for me, my friends agree, it helps you connect better with music
As a dj it better to tune it to 432hz when blasting 🔊 loud sound into the crowd… bass hits nice & the heigh don’t sound too harsh .
The current tuning wrestling match in the professional orchestral world is heading in the opposite direction: North American orchestras tune to 440-441 generally and overseas they are usually 442 or higher. They actually state the tuning in the applications. One has to be versatile and be accurate in at 440, 441, and 442. And then there’s baroque tuning at 439 and even more chaos when a group has to play with a given organ in a church performance. And before anyone asks, yes it does make a difference in how you hear the intervals, how the instruments are set up, and sometimes forces the need for additional instruments or parts of instruments. If I have an audition coming up I have to actively switch my brain to hear the notes in the right pitch so that I play correctly on the day. pain in the a$$.
So, 432 Hz is racist. Good to know.
Now i love it
It's more that gurus that claim 432 hz is some magic serum tend to be weirdly fascists too, but sure just dismiss all the evidence in the video to straw man it so you can look cool I guess.
Back in high school, our lead clarinetist got a brand new instrument for Christmas, which cost his "not exactly well off" family a ridiculous amount. Yet for how expensive it was, it came out of the factory tuned horrifically bad. His parents were not musicians and didn't know this. When he tried to play it, it sounded "off." With everything pushed in all the way, he just could not get it in tune. They tried to get a refund but were denied. He was stuck with it, and his parents couldn't afford to buy him another one.
He was our lead clarinet, with lots of solos, so the entire band tuned up in order to match him. Like... A LOT UP!!! I had to push my trombone all the way in.
Now, in everyday practice, it didn't really matter what we tuned to. In most concerts, our audience was parents, siblings, and maybe the nearby retirement home. No one could tell we were not tuned to A440.
Until we met a judge with perfect pitch.
Every year, we competed in a state-wide concert band festival. Three judges sit out in the concert hall, a copy of the score in hand, they can jot down notes onto the score or tape record their impressions out loud (it was the 90s). One of the judges caught on right away that we were tuned high and BLASTED us for it. From the stage, we could hear this judge yelling into his recorder... which NEVER happened. He went up to our band director afterward and really laid it onto him.
Our band director tried to defend his choice in tuning high due to our lead clarinetist having a defective instrument. This judge basically ordered that the kid trash the clarinet, and if he can't afford a new one, then use a school clarinet, but never set foot in another competition tuned like that. He could have used this "flaw" to affect our score, but the judge leniently did not, with a warning that if we ever competed tuned like that again, he would give us a zero.
The poor kid couldn't get a refund, couldn't afford a new clarinet, so he was stuck with this super expensive, super defective hunk of wood. In college, he gave up on his dreams of playing music professionally.
Rather sad... I always felt that if he had not had such negative reactions to a purchase that surely put his family back a lot of money, he may have continued to play.
The takeaway: always make sure you can play in tune before purchasing a musical instrument.... and that means A440!!!!
i work in a musical instrument shop.
A432hz ppl are the most arrogant, and aggressive customers we have.
I'd love to see your data collection of those entering the store and their beliefs? also your method of control.
False cause fallacy
Confirmation bias
I'm not a fn of 432hz or not, I just had to call your statement for what it was ... Illogical fallacy!
@@cazzawazzadingdong5139 I had customers complaning agressively that we should tune all the instruments in the store to 432hz (:
Not all the same, but a lot of 432hz fans rly like to tell you that they tune in 432hz and that is better because 440hz is "the hitler frequency", or "the satanic frequency" or "the NWO frequency" and other paranoid quackery.
In orchestras the tuning varies a lot, depending on the music style and tradition. In the orchestras I've been a part of (wind, and symphonic) we tuned to A=442. But I know that baroque orchestras often tune a lot lower, like 415.
And wind and brass instruments tend to pitch higher when they get warm. I've heard about orchestras using different tuning in winter and summer.
So al the talk about frequency conspiracies does not apply to live orchestral music anyways.
“If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have the key to the universe.” -Nikola Tesla
Eh... Tesla was a crackpot who everyone thinks was a great physicist, except physicists who are more interested in the fact that somehow he got a fair few things to work, despite being obviously *very* confused as to how they work. (Ie he didnt believe in electrons, didnt accept relativity, and a whole bunch of other nonsense ideas)
The importance is that if you put 6 and 9 together you get 69 which is a very funny number
The 3, 6 and 9 thing only makes some sense within the decimal number system.