I think those advices and guidelines should be applied to athletes older than high schoolers too, if you want to be fast in a 400 you just cannot only focus on lactic and aerobic side of things, you MUST be fast and that requires lots of recovery and, sadly for the grinder out there, only the right amount of grind.
Coach keep getting the message out, I think its good, the coaches at my daughter's high school are all about getting in shape stamina and endurance, they love to have the kids run in and outs which they describe as run the straights jog the curves - after the first one they are jogging or walking until yelled at - sometimes the volume training isn't as effective IMO, nothing focusing on technique or speed - focusing on endurance just teaches some kids to run slow longer
That off season program is ridiculous...the most volume I'll do for a workout is 1500-1800...I'm getting more accustomed to 1000-1200 meter workout ....I'm valuing quality over quantity
You can argue with Clyde’s methods, but he did coach many of the fastest 400M runners of all time?🤷🏾♂️ His methods worked for me. I reduced my PR by 2 seconds in one year. It got me to the Olympic Games.🤔 My opinion, coaches take way to much credit. Fast kid s run fast! Houston McTear was a beast as soon as he touch the track. No coaching. Fast kids run fast?
@@TranelHawkins Every phenom was a phenom before he met his first good coach. The problem with Clyde… he recruited elites and they became elite. High school coaches copied his ridiculous volumes and broke kids. Unacceptable.
Michael Johnson wasn’t even close to being the fastest kid in Texas, much less in the country. Same year Michael ran there was Roy Martin, Stanley Kerr, Joe Deloach from Texas just to name a few. Michael wasn’t even the fastest in college. His teammate Pierre was the man. He kept training with Clyde after he left college and became a stud. He wasn’t a freak. He became one with Clyde’s program
Focused heavy on speed since the start of winter preparation this year, just ran 2x200 in 21.55 - 22.70 with 6 min rest in beetween, what would you think my season opener will be?
Yes speed. But I guess MJ had the same speed as VanNiekerk but used a less aggressive tactic. I would go so far to say VanNiekerk could have ran faster with the Sam approach as MJ. But VanNiekerk had the necessary speed reserve anyway.
Hey Tony, just a little epiphany and wanted to get your opinion. Going to do 3x150 next Sat with the team. Could we do the first one standing or 3 point and then run in to the next 2 and get a more accurate open predictor? I know we can just add 1 sec to the 4x400 predictor you run but just to mix it up. Then the 4x400 predictor you could just minus a second from my proposed workout. Thanks you're always so gracious with your time.
Here's my 2cents from my lifetime experience: 1) "It's raining outside" - People interpret that differently. One may comprehend it as "it's sh!t weather outside". Another may comprehend it as "It's great weather for my plants." And very few comprehend it as "It's raining outside" nothing more and nothing less. So here is the first problem, "Winning the 400m". One interpret is as "stronger and endurance to win" and the other interpret is as "faster get there first to win." There is only one Newtonian truth; the latter trumps the former >>> speed and faster wins (on the highest pro elite level performance. In amateur athletics, there are lots of variables that corrupts the data). 2)The differences in approach gives you the first clue; they are both different. DIFFERENT as in they are NOT the same. So producing a competitive young athlete are mere "correlation of results" and NOT the "causation of the winning formula". The difference is that one approach is "high volume dose" and the other is the "efficient effective dose". Your body is like a machine, it has a limited mileage on it. And the more you redline that engine, the faster its ware/tare and breakdown. This is the cognitive dissonance caveat here; People think that their bodies are superman invincible. Here is another cognitive dissonance; Ask any retired successful pro sportsperson, they have life-long injuries, "Do you regret anything, would you take it all back the glory for good health." Majority have replied, "No, I wouldn't change a thing." They were surveyed another time, "Good healthy knees or $1M with arthritic nonfunctional painful knees?". 99% replied that they would prefer good healthy knees. There is NO PRICE for good health. I can't think of 1 centenarian professional athlete. 99% centenarian around the globe did not do such high volume of physical. "High volume dose" may get the job done and compete, but at what costs? >>> a disabled body. 3) I remember also doing those high volume when I was young... And I would finish a large pizza, a large big mac meal, and a hot dog in one sitting. Today now I'm older, I'm shaking my head of how reckless I was with my body when I was young. You can pretty much get away with anything when you're young and you'll just bounce back. But the toll on your body compounds over in your later years. Superman today, crippled old person tomorrow. But that's how life designed it, not everyone will see the same thing, despite looking at the same thing. Fortunate are those who see the light, fortunate are those guided by someone with the light. I was fortunate enough to see the light before doing anymore damage to my body. High volume dose vs Efficient Effective dose... it's not even a debate. Thanks to Coach Tony, these philosophies ripples across in any area of one's life, not just athletics.
Hey coach tony, I hear a lot of the pros and coaches saying that on the 400m, you should get out the blocks like its a 100m, but after watching a lot of pro races, it looks like a very relaxed acceleration phase, kinda like a prolonged buildup to topspeed. What's your take on this?
It’s like the entire first half of the 400… fast, loose, and efficient. The acceleration might look like a 100m and might be close to the same speed but it’s a hell a lot more relaxed.
@@coachtonyholler i love how in touch you are with your audience coach. I surely am learning a lot from you, any tips on how you guys practice this very fast yet relaxed acceleration phase? and at what meter-mark is it ideal to hit top speed ?
My son, Hashibur Rahaman (age 8) 100m run complete in 14s by following your tricks, thank you sir. (From India)
That’s actually crazy
As a first year coach, I just found this channel and it is amazing! So thankful for you coach and all your wisdom!
I think those advices and guidelines should be applied to athletes older than high schoolers too, if you want to be fast in a 400 you just cannot only focus on lactic and aerobic side of things, you MUST be fast and that requires lots of recovery and, sadly for the grinder out there, only the right amount of grind.
Coach keep getting the message out, I think its good, the coaches at my daughter's high school are all about getting in shape stamina and endurance, they love to have the kids run in and outs which they describe as run the straights jog the curves - after the first one they are jogging or walking until yelled at - sometimes the volume training isn't as effective IMO, nothing focusing on technique or speed - focusing on endurance just teaches some kids to run slow longer
Coaching endurance is easy. Running laps. Total bullsh*t.
That off season program is ridiculous...the most volume I'll do for a workout is 1500-1800...I'm getting more accustomed to 1000-1200 meter workout ....I'm valuing quality over quantity
You can argue with Clyde’s methods, but he did coach many of the fastest 400M runners of all time?🤷🏾♂️ His methods worked for me. I reduced my PR by 2 seconds in one year. It got me to the Olympic Games.🤔 My opinion, coaches take way to much credit. Fast kid s run fast! Houston McTear was a beast as soon as he touch the track. No coaching. Fast kids run fast?
@@TranelHawkins Every phenom was a phenom before he met his first good coach.
The problem with Clyde… he recruited elites and they became elite.
High school coaches copied his ridiculous volumes and broke kids. Unacceptable.
Would be nice to see a week of your workouts to compare to Clyde’s
simplifaster.com/articles/400-sprint-feed-the-cats/
Michael Johnson wasn’t even close to being the fastest kid in Texas, much less in the country. Same year Michael ran there was Roy Martin, Stanley Kerr, Joe Deloach from Texas just to name a few. Michael wasn’t even the fastest in college. His teammate Pierre was the man. He kept training with Clyde after he left college and became a stud. He wasn’t a freak. He became one with Clyde’s program
100% wrong.
The fun Thing that i hear where i Come from is you ned to build base.. than i ask Them how many reps you run in a race......
Focused heavy on speed since the start of winter preparation this year, just ran 2x200 in 21.55 - 22.70 with 6 min rest in beetween, what would you think my season opener will be?
Depends on your speed endurance. Definitely under 50, even if you had bad endurance.
Why even ask? Race.
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@@crater3539 it depends, my school’s 200m record holder ran a 21.62 but never went under 55 for a 400m, which is sad
Yes speed. But I guess MJ had the same speed as VanNiekerk but used a less aggressive tactic. I would go so far to say VanNiekerk could have ran faster with the Sam approach as MJ. But VanNiekerk had the necessary speed reserve anyway.
Hey Tony, just a little epiphany and wanted to get your opinion. Going to do 3x150 next Sat with the team. Could we do the first one standing or 3 point and then run in to the next 2 and get a more accurate open predictor? I know we can just add 1 sec to the 4x400 predictor you run but just to mix it up. Then the 4x400 predictor you could just minus a second from my proposed workout.
Thanks you're always so gracious with your time.
Try it.
@Coach Tony Holler lol the only way. Doing it this Saturday and then open 400 at meet 1 week after. Will report ;)
Here's my 2cents from my lifetime experience:
1) "It's raining outside" - People interpret that differently. One may comprehend it as "it's sh!t weather outside". Another may comprehend it as "It's great weather for my plants." And very few comprehend it as "It's raining outside" nothing more and nothing less. So here is the first problem, "Winning the 400m". One interpret is as "stronger and endurance to win" and the other interpret is as "faster get there first to win." There is only one Newtonian truth; the latter trumps the former >>> speed and faster wins (on the highest pro elite level performance. In amateur athletics, there are lots of variables that corrupts the data).
2)The differences in approach gives you the first clue; they are both different. DIFFERENT as in they are NOT the same. So producing a competitive young athlete are mere "correlation of results" and NOT the "causation of the winning formula". The difference is that one approach is "high volume dose" and the other is the "efficient effective dose". Your body is like a machine, it has a limited mileage on it. And the more you redline that engine, the faster its ware/tare and breakdown. This is the cognitive dissonance caveat here; People think that their bodies are superman invincible. Here is another cognitive dissonance; Ask any retired successful pro sportsperson, they have life-long injuries, "Do you regret anything, would you take it all back the glory for good health." Majority have replied, "No, I wouldn't change a thing." They were surveyed another time, "Good healthy knees or $1M with arthritic nonfunctional painful knees?". 99% replied that they would prefer good healthy knees. There is NO PRICE for good health. I can't think of 1 centenarian professional athlete. 99% centenarian around the globe did not do such high volume of physical. "High volume dose" may get the job done and compete, but at what costs? >>> a disabled body.
3) I remember also doing those high volume when I was young... And I would finish a large pizza, a large big mac meal, and a hot dog in one sitting. Today now I'm older, I'm shaking my head of how reckless I was with my body when I was young. You can pretty much get away with anything when you're young and you'll just bounce back. But the toll on your body compounds over in your later years. Superman today, crippled old person tomorrow. But that's how life designed it, not everyone will see the same thing, despite looking at the same thing. Fortunate are those who see the light, fortunate are those guided by someone with the light. I was fortunate enough to see the light before doing anymore damage to my body.
High volume dose vs Efficient Effective dose... it's not even a debate.
Thanks to Coach Tony, these philosophies ripples across in any area of one's life, not just athletics.
This is amazing. Beautiful.
Hey coach tony, I hear a lot of the pros and coaches saying that on the 400m, you should get out the blocks like its a 100m, but after watching a lot of pro races, it looks like a very relaxed acceleration phase, kinda like a prolonged buildup to topspeed. What's your take on this?
It’s like the entire first half of the 400… fast, loose, and efficient. The acceleration might look like a 100m and might be close to the same speed but it’s a hell a lot more relaxed.
@@coachtonyholler i love how in touch you are with your audience coach. I surely am learning a lot from you, any tips on how you guys practice this very fast yet relaxed acceleration phase? and at what meter-mark is it ideal to hit top speed ?
If Coach wants you to do a distance run (1.5 miles) should I just slog it or work on form?
I would never tell an athlete to do that.
@@coachtonyholler I got out of it
Hart workouts target elite and professional athletes. You can't compare those workouts to a high-school athlete workout.
But many coaches did… maybe a majority. And, still happening.