You misunderstood, sir. Wotc WILL print powerful pushed cards to be chased on boxes. They will NOT ban them but they will put those on Tier 4. That’s what those tiers are for - selling pushed cards
14:19 no reason? NO REASON? -secret lairs becoming FOMO bait -‘premium sets’ being more expensive for one pack than a draft -broken cards pushed to sell sets and then dealing with the blowback later -rampant AI bs -everything done with DND as well We have every single reason to distrust everything wizards does.
You also have to recognize that people at WotC "love" Modern but that doesn't mean that WotC isn't going to power creep it with MH3+ to sell into the eternal format. Same with EDH. You can say they're learning to not print mistakes but I don't see any proof, Nadu was designed for commander, jeweled lotus was designed for commander, dockside was designed for commander. This is a pattern to sell product.
@@Andrewlstewart just because people at WOTC “love” magic doesn’t mean their boss cares more about keeping their job and will harm the game to not get fired…
There is one difference: people in Modern are forced into latest sets because they HAVE to do the best thing. One or two players will want to win at any cost and that means getting the latest cards; there is no way to have a collusion of "We Modern players refuse to play MH cards" because if one person does, everyone else will too. In EDH, players play cards for different reasons and there's way less appeal in replacing your entire deck all the time with the latest and greatest like there is in Modern. People will get some of the best cards but it is a much different beast than Modern, where the turnover is pretty much instant when something better comes out.
@@JD-gk7ehI would recommend playing a 10 year old EDH deck or even a 5 year old deck at your LGS. I'm not even talking cEDH, just regular decks. At least at my LGS, everything is much faster and efficient. Most content creators are also seeing their average games end on earlier turns.
@@Andrewlstewart I've seen the arms race too. It's one reason I don't play at LGSes as well. But remember that even in EDH, there's substantial play outside of the LGS so does help calm the storm.
And this is how wotc treat modern since the first MM-set. And probably the way they gonna treat Commander, unless they do something worse, and that is to skip the ban step of this.
realistically speaking they always had the power to overrule the RC. I mean among the rules is the "only legendary creatures can be your commander, not planeswalker" and WotC went, "nah, these planeswalker will have the literal effect that says they can". we will have to keep trusting there and hope future power creeped mistakes will get banned a bit faster.
To be clear: I think universally we all wish that WOTC didn't control the rules committee. But we also need to recognize that the format got too large to be run by 5 unpaid volunteers. If the rules committee had evolved as the game got bigger it wouldn't have become a problem but they remained way too small for the job they were tasked with.
WotC also printing a ton of Commander product became an issue. The heart of the format was to play cards that didn't fit into Standard. WotC was bascially making Commander a format with all the cards made for Commander.
Eh maybe? Seemed manageable before Hasbro forced WOTC to drop a new set every other week. They basically overwhelmed them with product and let them fail. The death threats only made it worse.
@@joewaid Because WotC printing a ton of Commander content made the format too big for 5 people. WotC printing JL was a mistake, same with Nadu, and should have never been made. Yes, the death threats and doxxing is why the RC gave up the format, but the format was starting to overflow for 5 volunteers.
A few years ago WOTC stated they wanted to allow multi-cards in commander decks, if you could cast a single card with your color identity. But stated that couldn’t because commander is not run my them but by non-WOTC players.
I'd be okay with this, honestly. Same with hybrid mana cards being playable in either mono color (Kitchen Finks being playable in both mono white and green, for example) in a similar vein.
@@maxmazza2987 true but think “Order and Chaos” if you run red and your deck can make white mana (not hard) you could cast “Order” despite only being able to play “Chaos”
Well, a game is somewhat good as it's limitations. If you could do everything, without any rules, it's not a game but just chaos. Finding ways to play within the restrictions is one of the thrilling motors of this game, so no thanks. I'm saying that despite lots of stuff I would have loved in my commanders but I can't due to color identity. That's a balancing factor, if you think about it.
Honestly other than bringing back banned as commander i think it is best if Wizards did not change much for a good while after makign the panel so that the heat can die down
It's not really a surprise that people would accuse Wizards of conniving behind the scenes to usurp the RC...because literally just a year ago, Wizards was conniving behind the scenes to try to strong-arm D&D creators and companies out of their own work (and, of course, lying about it and shifting blame). I don't doubt that there are good people who work at Wizards, and I'd be more than happy to be wrong about all of this, but if the OGL controversy taught us anything, it's that this is the worst-case scenario and the exact number of things we should trust Wizards with is zero.
Correlation doesn’t equal causation. Just because it happens somewhere else doesn’t mean it will happen here. Relax, wait and see what happens before you throw your tantrum.
@@moonknight2865 Wow. Imagine if there was a restaurant and dozens of customers complained that the servers were spitting in their steaks. Then imagine that corporate lied to those customers and the general public about what was going on. Imagine that the company didn't apologize until there was an outcry of thousands along with absolute proof that those customers were right all along. Imagine that absolutely no people were fired or disciplined for any of this. I'm sure just a year later you'd feel perfectly confident going back to that place and accuse anyone who pointed out that all of this was very, very recent of throwing a tantrum: after all, you order the chicken instead of steak! In semi-related news, I have a whole bunch of bridges to sell you. What an absolutely embarrassing take.
@@moonknight2865 So you’re posting bail for WOTC now, huh? Let’s be clear, skepticism isn’t a tantrum-it’s informed caution. Correlation might not equal causation, but patterns of behavior do speak volumes. This isn’t pulled out of thin air; it’s based on repeated, observable actions from Wizards. Trust is earned, and Wizards has a habit of betraying it, especially after the OGL debacle. So yeah, maybe players will ‘relax’ after they show they deserve it-not a moment sooner.
Just remember whatever they say: the shareholders come first. The same group that made jeweled lotus and modern horizons are the ones now in control the format. Money will always come above the health of the game (fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders) and there are no checks and balances anymore to ensure a healthy format. Think what you want but don’t forget that this is now an unequivocal fact.
So... The same as the other formats wizards run? How is that a bad thing? What will happen is that they're going to push a way to make sure everyone is happy, both casuals and not so casuals.
They very hesitantly banned cards like fury, and only after getting that reprint equity, and knowing they were going to be problematic when they were printed. Same with JL in particular. That's a legitimate reason for people to at least be concerned, maybe people are being overly dramatic, but it is a concern.
Maybe have a point total. If your deck has over 50 pts of cards it is tier 2, over 100 points tier 3 and over 150 points tier 4. this would allow an outlier of a single tier 4 card from making a modified Pre con with on tier 4 card to be considered the same as a top line CEDH deck with 20 plus tier 4 cards.
@georgecrichton8508 I've heard the point totals thing as well, and I think it's a great idea. However, it's very tough to pull off since, to actually formulate your deck's total cost you'd need a ranking for every card in history. Granted any card not listed/without a similar card in one of the tiers could just be claimed at as tier 1, but that would still mean we'd need a ton of cards in this bracket system. I do think the totals will yield the best results, however most decks will fall between 60-140 this way assuming 40 lands. Throwing MDFC's and powerful lands into the mix will make things even more tricky. We really would need every card to be in a specific tier. I'm hoping they go this direction instead of saying "if you have a ____ in your deck it's automatically a 4".
@@Arctanis-vt3hl Sol ring would most likely be a 1. Same with arcane signet. Since it's in every precon and tier 1 is supposed to be precon level it would make sense.
A ton of commander players have jumped into the game in the last 3 years and never saw the RC do a single thing. I don’t really see what the difference is
Yeah, seems like a lot of fearmongering. I do have some worries about the shenanigans some refer to happening, but I don't just pretend it's like they're going to go out of their way to destroy the format. It's probably gonna end up being fine. Like you said, the RC didn't do a single thing between when I started gaming and these last bans. Additionally, I think an official bracket system can absolutely be useful. If they end up printing too much bracket 4 shit, idk, have the cEDH folks cry about that with their proxies. If the bracket 4 stuff gets out of hand, you know, you can easily just play lower brackets. That's the big benefit. If cards are too crazy, just say "ok, no bracket 4 cards". That sorta thing can improve communication at a table tremendously, instead of all this power level shit. I really wanna see how that turns out first before I start drawing conclusions on how WotC is "ruining magic"
What I hope the community comes around to with the Power Bracket is to get more granular with it, something like "My deck runs 7 4s, 12 3s, 23 2s, and the rest 1s, so it's a total of 170" vs. "I run 15 4s, the rest are 1s, so my deck is a 145". That feels more useful to me than "I have one Demonic Tutor in my Demon Kindred deck, so it's a 4, blast me with your Stax deck that runs 56 4s."
The brackets give vibes of Canadian Highlander and the points system. Makes it easier to differentiate between power levels at quick glance / discussion.
I, and anybody sane, agrees with you about how disgusting threats are, but Beezy, come on with that stuff about "trusting WotC." Almost every episode you talk about things getting power crept. We all know that certain cards only show up in premium products. You are saying "they are not going to print degenerate cards just to ban them..." We know! They will just keep printing degenerate cards, use them to sell product, and relegate them to the 4 point bracket. None of the overpowered and pushed cards we can point to are hypotheticals. They are all real and none were banned by WotC, but by the RC. This isn't a conspiracy theory. This is a business model. Of your four "confirmed mistakes" examples two are widely available, show up in precons and secret lairs, and the other two are mythics that are only printed in premium products. How does that show responsibility and good stewardship?
We shouldn't accept WOTC as the rules committee, cards that are encouraging people to buy new sets won't be banned because profit will be more important to them than player satisfaction, we'll not see a ban before release again of valuable cards in my opinion and that sucks.
I think WOTC has the humility bug. A workplace culture of nodding heads with little to no constructive criticism. Clearly people at WOTC knew Nadu was a terrible design. But they couldn't say anything without creating a "negative workspace". Same with one ring. People are going to be so mad when they ban that thing and people lose their wealth. But that's what happens when people can't put foot down and say "Supervisor John Doe's idea is an interesting one, but let's be real."
I have a playset of the one ring for my jeskai control deck in modern. The only thing that banning the one ring will do for me is make Jeskai control unplayable again. Honestly though it’s completely fine. My main deck is Dimir Murktide. Monetary value isn’t really a thing to me. I just enjoy playing competitive games.
Welcome to "inclusiveness." If you think a (bad) idea is bad, you're just being uninclusive/bigoted/phobic etc. You all voted for this with the cultural zeitgeist you support. Enjoy more Nadus.
Magic the gathering is a game with ever rotating pieces. I’ve been playing since 1993. All of you humans whining about change weren’t around when the power level was so low (fallen empires) nobody cared about a new set. Have fun, change is life, and games with 30-40,000 pieces are complicated. Enjoy It! As a modern player who moved to commander, once the sting goes away, it’s a brand new day people!
So glad you said "Get Out" to the undesirables of this community. Everyone else just shook a finger at them and scolded them. I appreciate the GTFO, and wish more content creators said that. You don't need their views, you don't want them here.
People saying that WotC shouldn’t act as the rules committee is surprising to me. It’s their game. They make it. IF you want to play in a WotC sanctioned event, you play by their rules. You want to play with your friends, you make your own rules. I’ve seen so many house rules at different stores that are perfectly fine. Your house, your rules. 😊
on the topic of making a card (the fury example) and then banning it. as a company that lives on selling these cards, slow the production down, test the cards more properly and errata the card if it's still overpowered. straight up going "upsy sucks you bought this card or bought boosters until you got it! not our problem!" is a bad fucking business model.
I personally feel you are way too optimistic concerning wotc controlling the commander format. The fact that jeweled lotus even exists shows that wotc isn't simply making mistakes when they design overpowered cards. It was templated around one of the most famously broken cards in the game. Having a group of volunteers decide what needs to be banned was better than trusting that any paid employee will make the right calls. How can we even trust wotc will even allow them to make the right calls? Maybe if wotc promptly banned problem cards in the other formats, people would be less skeptical. Really, its wotc's design process that made the problem cards to begin with, so i'd rather not trust them.
Modern definitely is doing great right now not as good as it was a year ago, but definitely fun. Standard is good by comparison to what it was a few years ago.
As nice of a thought as it is to think that Hasbro is actually interested in the long-term health and growth of Magic amd the WOTC's games; it is in fact impossible to trust them to actually do so. And it has nothing to do with the people there and everything to do with the general momentum and economic incentives that exist in A large corporation like Hasbro. Please, hope for the best, but keep in mind Hasbro is the same company that thought it was a good idea to release a non-transforming Optimus prime toy.
I have to be completely honest. With how WotC has been running almost every other format into the ground through neglect or EDH pandering, I don't foresee them doing a good job with this format. For protecting the previous rules committee, sure, but I have a bad feeling about the future of WotC and Magic as a whole if they're going to drive their main money source into the ground.
Plot twist, the threats etc. came from the Pinkertons feigning as magic players. At least this is what I'd like to believe, as I'd like to think that the people who enjoy this hobby with me are well meaning and reasonable human beings. PS. Beezy, I greatly appreciate you not being the 10th channel to put up a catchy video title just to read through the WoTC response. Thank you for summarizing and adding commentary.
On the topic of banning sol ring: While I strongly believe sol ring won't ever be banned, having wotc in control means that they could more easily plan a future banning with the products to start printing precons without sol ring.
I still believe they wouldn't have the balls to do it simply because it would completely invalidate all of their previous precons, and they won't take a chance at losing money since people wouldn't be able to play them out the box
The amount of benefit of the doubt being given to WotC here is kind of insane. Hasbro is still their parent company, and what Hasbro wants, they bend the knee for. JL, Mana Crypt, And Dockside didn't magically become 100 dollar cards just because. They were intentionally withheld as equity to be used when they needed to push product. Lmao.
"They are learning from their mistakes" (about not wanting to print dockside) but while they are in the process of learning, they make it a chase card to sell Double Masters 2022 boxes
An update with info and no doom and gloom is one thing. Suggesting that wizards isn’t motivated by money and believing you can believe what they say is another.
Loving the new version of the cube. We ran 2 pods this last Saturday. Best way to play! I also like to keep a pile of precons sleeved so we can test out random decks.
Bracket ideas Examples of cards rating: 0 Point - Basic lands 1 Point - Enter tapped nonbasic lands with no abilities or land types / Vanilla creatures with power 4 or less 2 Point - Enter tapped no basic lands with ETB ability / Vanilla creatures power 5 or higher 3 Point - Enter tapped nonbasic lands with land types (Fetch-able) / Sorceries (General) 4 Point - Enchantments that provide some benefit ex: Anthems / Phyrexian Arena - Instants (General) 5 Point - Conditional tutors 3 CMC or more ex: Cultivate / Fabricate 6 Point - Enchantments that provide significant value ex: Rhystic Study / Sorceries or Instant that could potentially win the game on the spot or heavily warp a game state or battlefield 7 Point - Conditional tutors 1-2 CMC ex: Enlightened Tutor / Worldly Tutor 8 Point - Unconditional tutors 5 CMC or more / 0 CMC Counterspells 9 Point - Unconditional tutors 3-4 CMC / 0 CMC mana neutral rocks 10 Point - Unconditional tutors 2 CMC or less / 0 CMC mana positive rocks Examples of Tier Rating Systems Option 1 Tier 1 - (1-200) Weak - Precon (Pre Commander Era) Tier 2 - (201-400) Medium Precon level / Casual Tier 3 - (401-600) strong Precon / Medium Unoptimized Tier 4 - (601-800) Strong Focused Tier 5 - (801-1000) High Power - cEDH Or Option 2 Closer to the old system (Preferred) Tier 1 - 1 - 100 Tier 2 - 101 - 200 Tier 3 - 201 - 300 Tier 4 - 301 - 400 Tier 5 - 401 - 500 Tier 6 - 501 - 600 Tier 7 - 601 - 700 Tier 8 - 701 - 800 Tier 9 - 801 - 900 Tier 10 - 901 - 1000
Beezy, I totally agree that those threats by people are uncalled for. That's obvious to me. But to just take Wotc at their word, to say to us that "hey wotc won't do that bad thing because they SAID they won't do that bad thing" is full of problems. You have to realize that, don't you? That's just not a well-formed argument. Also, and this is not even close to conspiracy theorizing... it's not even far fetched to say that wotc predicted this outcome. They all knew how people might react with a ban like this. They've seen card-owners react in toxic ways in the past. It's really just a repeat of history, behaviorally speaking.
Let's get it straight, anyone making threats to people over a piece of cardboard is not part of the Magic Community. They need to go. So disgusted to see the inappropriate behaviour of some people.
I also get a feeling that it was overblown a bit, just to justify WotC taking over. It was very bizarre how the Commander committee suddenly banned several of the most valuable cards (which would guarantee a negative response from the community) without even telling the CAG, then immediatley WotC swoops in and takes control . . . already with rules on how they want to run them in place. Very suspicious . . . >
I’m all for giving wizards a chance. But it sounds wrong coming from beezy to trust them when beezy constant brought up power creep and how it’s not a good thing. Wizards knows they are power creeping and we view it bad. But we must trust them in all their judgment?
Probably but they wouldnt even have needed to. They probably suspected this kind of toxic backlash could occur. For ptet's sake, it's happened for lesser things in the past already.
Honest and authentic take on the changes, thanks. So please everyone calm down, lets enjoy the game again. The format is about fun and coming together!
Yeah because a company has never lied to our faces before. " of course they didn't want it" 5:09 that is exactly what the rules committee and CAG were. I don't think you meant to do this but you really sounded like you were talking in circles circles this video. I understand the words that were said I understand the sentiment but the meaning behind it I was confused. The CAG and the rules committee dissolved and wizards got control and they're setting up another CAG the exact same way it was before and they're trying to make it sound like it's new and better it'll be exactly as it was before just with different faces. They had a small group of members they had a variety of people from different competitiveness within the game. So what's going to be different other than new faces? 9:17 Arcane Signet was a mistake? OK OK, THEN WHY MAKE JEWLED LOTUS? I don't know how you can have such unquestionable faith for a company. It's not bad or wrong to be hesitant about this situation or question it. Also I'm not sure why you're talking as if they are going to make sweeping changes tomorrow, anyone with some common sense knows that won't happen it'll be slowly and over time. Also any cards they make now with their unfettered control won't see the light of day for a year or more unless they take some Nadu style mistakes along the way.
JEWLED LOTUS A card by the way which they were explicitly told/begged not to print by people they consulted about it (JLK told his story several times now). Obviously, there wasn't a rules commitee on WotC's side until now, but there sure were consultants. This is nothing new. Anyone who thinks Wizards is concerned about anything but their bottom line is just living in a naive dream world. Of course they want to keep the format stable - why disrupt the money printing machine. The rules commitee didn't do much for the past few years... last thing I remember is the Lutri ban. And that's exactly how WotC wants it to stay. Slowly but steadily creeping power level and prices. Remember the Walking Dead Secret lair? WotC promised to never print limited availabilty exclusive cards again. Which worked great - right until they started releasing them as entire sets. But at that point, nobody cared anymore. People are quick to anger and have a bad memory. No matter how much we disagree with any given descision - sooner or later the addiction kicks in. Other than the (former) Rules Commitee, Wizards are well aware that you can do anything, if you are willing to weather the storm for a bit.
Everyone whos surprised how the community reacted: Really? Why were you surprised? Were you never to r/magicTGC? I deleted my reddit account literally 4 weeks ago because i got another 600 downvotes and horrible slurs via chat just because i said Commanders like Nadu should not be in the format. Big parts of the community are a disgusting circlejerk and it just showed big time.
Refreshing to see a measured and positive take on all this. Thanks for being a voice of reason. I hope we get to play again in Vegas this year. Cheers!
Absolutely love this perspective and so grateful for a calm response. Thank you so much for your content and always love and laughter in your lives. For those worried about the future in commander, it will be fine. I fully realize that it is easy to express anxiety and change in the form of negativity… that is healthy and fine, but remember that the commander format will be fine and stay fun.
I keep seeing a lot of people complain about the bracket system and how confusing it is because you will have multiple cards in multiple brackets, simply get the median of all the card level powers and there's your answer for your power level.
So, as someone who’s been a little doomsday about this situation, I do think the accusations of price fixing, bots, and power grabs are insane. My concern is that corporations have shown themselves to be extremely eager to ruin IPs/game for profit. I wholeheartedly believe that WoTC does not want to do stuff like this. But I do think that as times goes on Hasbro will continue to sink their “line must go up” claws into Magic. They’ve already made lots of statements about how undermonetized DND was and they only backed down from a lot of gross behavior because of massive community backlash. And they’ve shown a willingness to flood the market with pushed cards and FOMO products already. I don’t think they’ll print to ban, but they will obviously make more power creep mistakes like they have for years. I am hopeful about the future of the game but I am always leary of consolidation of resources under profit driven corporations, especially if it was previously completely controlled by the community. That being said, the community showed its whole ass with death threats so this is what happens. Hopefully things get better over time! But we do need to watch out for greedy greedsters.
I kind of like ranking every card into tiers. I think what they should do is somehow do a huge survey sent out to as many players as possible and ask them to rank the top few hundred cards and put them in those brackets.
You know nothing about human behavior. People who are voicing their frustration are still in a compromise stage. I would start out by saying there should have been a warning before these bans came. Serious people don't waste time warning you. they just do it.
The existence of the RC helped in the never ending legal struggle of Hasbro/WotC dodging gambling allegations; a third party entity that helped indirectly regulate the market was a healthy thing. I imagine they will find a replacement team of some sort that isn't completely in-house because of this, or possibly just split the format like people are hoping.
I appreciate your optimism and I truly hope you are correct in it. I’m also sure I will keep playing regardless. But it really isn’t fair to suggest that WotC hasn’t earned every single bit of distrust aimed at them. You mention faulty designs. (I’d also say hard to argue they are learning from their mistakes when 3 out of 3 MH sets have required bans) But how about D&D PLs, Magic 30, Secret Lair Walking Dead and the Pinkertons? These were flat out predatory tactics.
Commander should use the Heritage MTG format card pool. It's a card pool that removes all supplemental and premium sets. Any card that wasn't first printed in standard is excluded from the format! "Direct to commander" product goes against the spirit of commander imo
I think people doom posting about conspiracies of wotc wanting to take over the rc or how they'll make overpowered cards and not ban them need to stop and realize that's what was happening already with the rules committee. The RC did so little overall that wotc basically was already in control, and because the format is already so casual if they go too wild with the banlist you can rule 0 it. Overall I look forward to their rule, the argument that they'll make more broken cards is stupid because they've already been doing it the entire time. I'm hoping they maybe hit older busted cards and possibly some of the more extremely powerful staples, but at worst I see this being incredibly mild change in leadership.
I bought a Crypt last night. If it gets un-banned, it was a good time to buy one. If it stays banned, now I have all 4 banned cards that I would get graded and framed as a memorial to this strange time in Commander
I feel like there is one simple solution to the bans. Errata. Rerelease the 3 banned cards but with +3 to their casting mana cost. For mana crypt make the coin flip happen when you tap it for mana. For dockside give it a “once per turn” line of text. For Jeweled lotus have it enter tapped. Even sol ring could use an errata with “enters tapped” added to it. Reprint the 3 banned cards with their errata at Rare or Uncommon, print errata sol ring into the dirt to give away with every precon purchase to replace the Sol ring in the precon if it’s an older precon. Done. Everyone except investors are now relatively happy.
Or, simply put, print new cards that are the "fixed" versions ... Which they more or less already exist. It's the very concept of "chase cards" that is rotten to the core. The for banned cards (and many more, like the Modern ones) were all but chase cards, as well as the super power crept ones. THIS is what is ruining everything: greed & milking
Commented before I saw the end of the video. Perfect ending. All the constant negativity is crazy and toxic. People need to relax and chill. Life's more fun enjoying things!
Bro this probably the best reaction video to the announcement yesterday I like how you said mtg died again hahahahahah!!!! Since I've been playing this the 2nd time it died lol!!!! Thank you for being real keep doing what you guys do
Hasbro executives “love the game just as much as players do” sounds like the hospital executives that “love saving lives” except when money is involved….but hey we got to take Hasbro word for it
Sol Ring is strong, for sure. When I first saw it as a casual player being introduced to commander by new college friends, I was so confused (free mana?) The ramp I had seen was getting a single new land tapped on the battlefield, or a mana rock that cost 3 colorless for 1 of 2 colored mana. Its definitely not on the same level as lotus/mox/mana crypt shenanigans though. I feel that swords to plowshares, sol ring, and other "staples" should be bracket 2. Bracket 1 should be stuff that is niche, not playable in every deck.
I can predict the outcome because I have been abused by Wotc in Modern for 10 years now. What? Am I just suppose to keep trusting an abusive partner? Is that the advice you are giving people? That is bad advice. WotC has proven they do not deserve my trust through their own actions. They need to do at least 5 or 6 great things without a misstep before I ever think about maybe trusting them again. Your trust isn't deserved, your trust is earned. End of story.
@@ivansaliuk132 The takeaway from this sad post should be that there are many people who are in this deep who WotC considers their customers and see nothing wrong with. To play my old-timer card, I've see enough games die out and seen people still dumping huge sums of cash into unsupported, defunct TCGs and tabletop games to think that rational consumers are needed for businesses to thrive.
I feel like two format brackets would be fine, just combat damage wincon vs alternate wincon EDH decks. Everything is interruptible, but players get a much better idea what to interact with if they know what kind of win everyone in the group is going for.
Death and physical threats are uncalled for and unacceptable. I did disagree with the Rules Committees on how they handled the banning which caused over $130m in loses. Hopefully some of these cards will be unbanned. Our group plays casual Commander and we will use proxies so everything is on a level playing field. I do not think we need 4 levels for Commander decks. Thank you for the video Beezy.
I'm going to need some kind of argument explained to me eventually on why Sol Ring shouldn't just be a 4 But yeah, I don't need to clamour for that immediately Overall, if more power creep happens and if it's turning me off, I suppose some stuff that's going to be considered a 4 now (once things settle) may just become considered 3-like in my brain (or I may headcanon a 5 bracket -- although I'm well aware of the advantages of splitting things like this into quartiles rather than quintiles given the 7 problem; you need to be cautious about thete being a miffle, median sort of category to be laxly declared rather than falling either above or below key lines with some room for nuance), and we'll go from there.
Sorry Beezy the damage is done more folks sold collections this weekend then were buying. Only the die hards were buying and they are buying banned cards if they already don't own them. Since wotc is taken over many are assuming proxies are out because wotc prefers you play with real magic cards. Many of these commander players are going to other card games such as poker, spade, gin rummy because well these clubs are popping up everywhere. You can run a poker tournament with no money. Also sadly folks are tired of the drama/cliques of magic players. Sad but true the behavior many magic player exhibited showed why many folks play in private pods because folks do not know how to act.
Refreshing to hear a reasoned take that isn't overly cynical, I can expect nothing short of that from this channel. Thanks for being a level headed voice in the community. I dont exactly like the bracket system. I think any deck power rating system that makes sense can't really be defined by a single card, and also can't vary on a scale of 1-4, many things falling into 1,2, and 3 are not at all made equal. I hope those aspects see improvement. They have to understand that any system that doesn't actually communicate accurately won't be picked up by the player base, and I'm sure they do.
You misunderstood, sir. Wotc WILL print powerful pushed cards to be chased on boxes. They will NOT ban them but they will put those on Tier 4. That’s what those tiers are for - selling pushed cards
14:19 no reason? NO REASON?
-secret lairs becoming FOMO bait
-‘premium sets’ being more expensive for one pack than a draft
-broken cards pushed to sell sets and then dealing with the blowback later
-rampant AI bs
-everything done with DND as well
We have every single reason to distrust everything wizards does.
Not to them though, what and incredibly dumb take lol
They need to pander to Wotc so they can stay on their good side.
Red Amogus needs to make a return, tho he's a little too talkative. Not a fan of how he kept interrupting you.
duuno, man, the guy seems sus'
Always giving you the eye
He's too still, yet untrustworthy the entire time. Never changing positions. 🤔
He and Morn from DS9 would get along swimmingly.
You also have to recognize that people at WotC "love" Modern but that doesn't mean that WotC isn't going to power creep it with MH3+ to sell into the eternal format. Same with EDH. You can say they're learning to not print mistakes but I don't see any proof, Nadu was designed for commander, jeweled lotus was designed for commander, dockside was designed for commander. This is a pattern to sell product.
@@Andrewlstewart just because people at WOTC “love” magic doesn’t mean their boss cares more about keeping their job and will harm the game to not get fired…
There is one difference: people in Modern are forced into latest sets because they HAVE to do the best thing. One or two players will want to win at any cost and that means getting the latest cards; there is no way to have a collusion of "We Modern players refuse to play MH cards" because if one person does, everyone else will too. In EDH, players play cards for different reasons and there's way less appeal in replacing your entire deck all the time with the latest and greatest like there is in Modern. People will get some of the best cards but it is a much different beast than Modern, where the turnover is pretty much instant when something better comes out.
It really boils down to Hasbro loves STOCK PRICE GO UP.
@@JD-gk7ehI would recommend playing a 10 year old EDH deck or even a 5 year old deck at your LGS. I'm not even talking cEDH, just regular decks. At least at my LGS, everything is much faster and efficient. Most content creators are also seeing their average games end on earlier turns.
@@Andrewlstewart I've seen the arms race too. It's one reason I don't play at LGSes as well. But remember that even in EDH, there's substantial play outside of the LGS so does help calm the storm.
~ 9:00 - YuGiOh did it for years:
1. Release OP Cards
2. Make Money
3. Ban OP Cards
- Repeat
Unlike underpants gnomes, they put the "profit!" in the middle
This is why I quit Yugioh its basically forced rotation
And this is how wotc treat modern since the first MM-set. And probably the way they gonna treat Commander, unless they do something worse, and that is to skip the ban step of this.
realistically speaking they always had the power to overrule the RC. I mean among the rules is the "only legendary creatures can be your commander, not planeswalker" and WotC went, "nah, these planeswalker will have the literal effect that says they can".
we will have to keep trusting there and hope future power creeped mistakes will get banned a bit faster.
To be clear: I think universally we all wish that WOTC didn't control the rules committee. But we also need to recognize that the format got too large to be run by 5 unpaid volunteers. If the rules committee had evolved as the game got bigger it wouldn't have become a problem but they remained way too small for the job they were tasked with.
WotC also printing a ton of Commander product became an issue. The heart of the format was to play cards that didn't fit into Standard. WotC was bascially making Commander a format with all the cards made for Commander.
How does this factor in the actual reason they quit? Death threats and doxxing was the issue.
Eh maybe? Seemed manageable before Hasbro forced WOTC to drop a new set every other week. They basically overwhelmed them with product and let them fail. The death threats only made it worse.
@@joewaid Because WotC printing a ton of Commander content made the format too big for 5 people. WotC printing JL was a mistake, same with Nadu, and should have never been made. Yes, the death threats and doxxing is why the RC gave up the format, but the format was starting to overflow for 5 volunteers.
Yea. But at that lvl of mistakes rc made - that was unavoidable
A few years ago WOTC stated they wanted to allow multi-cards in commander decks, if you could cast a single card with your color identity.
But stated that couldn’t because commander is not run my them but by non-WOTC players.
I'd be okay with this, honestly. Same with hybrid mana cards being playable in either mono color (Kitchen Finks being playable in both mono white and green, for example) in a similar vein.
@@maxmazza2987 true but think “Order and Chaos” if you run red and your deck can make white mana (not hard) you could cast “Order” despite only being able to play “Chaos”
Well, a game is somewhat good as it's limitations. If you could do everything, without any rules, it's not a game but just chaos.
Finding ways to play within the restrictions is one of the thrilling motors of this game, so no thanks.
I'm saying that despite lots of stuff I would have loved in my commanders but I can't due to color identity.
That's a balancing factor, if you think about it.
Honestly other than bringing back banned as commander i think it is best if Wizards did not change much for a good while after makign the panel so that the heat can die down
It's not really a surprise that people would accuse Wizards of conniving behind the scenes to usurp the RC...because literally just a year ago, Wizards was conniving behind the scenes to try to strong-arm D&D creators and companies out of their own work (and, of course, lying about it and shifting blame). I don't doubt that there are good people who work at Wizards, and I'd be more than happy to be wrong about all of this, but if the OGL controversy taught us anything, it's that this is the worst-case scenario and the exact number of things we should trust Wizards with is zero.
Correlation doesn’t equal causation. Just because it happens somewhere else doesn’t mean it will happen here. Relax, wait and see what happens before you throw your tantrum.
@@moonknight2865 Wow. Imagine if there was a restaurant and dozens of customers complained that the servers were spitting in their steaks. Then imagine that corporate lied to those customers and the general public about what was going on. Imagine that the company didn't apologize until there was an outcry of thousands along with absolute proof that those customers were right all along. Imagine that absolutely no people were fired or disciplined for any of this. I'm sure just a year later you'd feel perfectly confident going back to that place and accuse anyone who pointed out that all of this was very, very recent of throwing a tantrum: after all, you order the chicken instead of steak! In semi-related news, I have a whole bunch of bridges to sell you.
What an absolutely embarrassing take.
@@moonknight2865 So you’re posting bail for WOTC now, huh? Let’s be clear, skepticism isn’t a tantrum-it’s informed caution. Correlation might not equal causation, but patterns of behavior do speak volumes. This isn’t pulled out of thin air; it’s based on repeated, observable actions from Wizards. Trust is earned, and Wizards has a habit of betraying it, especially after the OGL debacle. So yeah, maybe players will ‘relax’ after they show they deserve it-not a moment sooner.
@@moonknight2865 That isn't correlation that is a direct and demonstrable example to prove his argument
@moonknight2865 with this response, I think you should relax; someone expressing their worries is not throwing a tantrum.
Imma be real there was a missed opportunity to make a bit about how the amogus was an imposter and call it Mia
Just remember whatever they say: the shareholders come first. The same group that made jeweled lotus and modern horizons are the ones now in control the format. Money will always come above the health of the game (fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders) and there are no checks and balances anymore to ensure a healthy format. Think what you want but don’t forget that this is now an unequivocal fact.
It's the same group that made every Magic the Gathering card.
Just a bad faith argument. They recognize design flaws and ban them because if the game is unhealthy people leave.
So... The same as the other formats wizards run? How is that a bad thing?
What will happen is that they're going to push a way to make sure everyone is happy, both casuals and not so casuals.
Yup. Shareholders ruin companies. Tale as old as time.
They very hesitantly banned cards like fury, and only after getting that reprint equity, and knowing they were going to be problematic when they were printed. Same with JL in particular. That's a legitimate reason for people to at least be concerned, maybe people are being overly dramatic, but it is a concern.
call Sol Ring a power 4 card to make it clear that one 4 does not make any power 1 deck CEDH ready.
Maybe have a point total. If your deck has over 50 pts of cards it is tier 2, over 100 points tier 3 and over 150 points tier 4. this would allow an outlier of a single tier 4 card from making a modified Pre con with on tier 4 card to be considered the same as a top line CEDH deck with 20 plus tier 4 cards.
@georgecrichton8508 I've heard the point totals thing as well, and I think it's a great idea. However, it's very tough to pull off since, to actually formulate your deck's total cost you'd need a ranking for every card in history. Granted any card not listed/without a similar card in one of the tiers could just be claimed at as tier 1, but that would still mean we'd need a ton of cards in this bracket system.
I do think the totals will yield the best results, however most decks will fall between 60-140 this way assuming 40 lands. Throwing MDFC's and powerful lands into the mix will make things even more tricky. We really would need every card to be in a specific tier.
I'm hoping they go this direction instead of saying "if you have a ____ in your deck it's automatically a 4".
@@JermanatorD12 Yeah, not to mention points for each cards is subjective. Is Sol RIng a 2? or is it a 5?
@@Arctanis-vt3hl Sol ring would most likely be a 1. Same with arcane signet. Since it's in every precon and tier 1 is supposed to be precon level it would make sense.
A ton of commander players have jumped into the game in the last 3 years and never saw the RC do a single thing. I don’t really see what the difference is
Yeah, seems like a lot of fearmongering. I do have some worries about the shenanigans some refer to happening, but I don't just pretend it's like they're going to go out of their way to destroy the format. It's probably gonna end up being fine. Like you said, the RC didn't do a single thing between when I started gaming and these last bans. Additionally, I think an official bracket system can absolutely be useful. If they end up printing too much bracket 4 shit, idk, have the cEDH folks cry about that with their proxies.
If the bracket 4 stuff gets out of hand, you know, you can easily just play lower brackets. That's the big benefit. If cards are too crazy, just say "ok, no bracket 4 cards".
That sorta thing can improve communication at a table tremendously, instead of all this power level shit. I really wanna see how that turns out first before I start drawing conclusions on how WotC is "ruining magic"
What I hope the community comes around to with the Power Bracket is to get more granular with it, something like "My deck runs 7 4s, 12 3s, 23 2s, and the rest 1s, so it's a total of 170" vs. "I run 15 4s, the rest are 1s, so my deck is a 145". That feels more useful to me than "I have one Demonic Tutor in my Demon Kindred deck, so it's a 4, blast me with your Stax deck that runs 56 4s."
Hey Nick. How are you?!
The brackets give vibes of Canadian Highlander and the points system. Makes it easier to differentiate between power levels at quick glance / discussion.
I, and anybody sane, agrees with you about how disgusting threats are, but Beezy, come on with that stuff about "trusting WotC." Almost every episode you talk about things getting power crept. We all know that certain cards only show up in premium products. You are saying "they are not going to print degenerate cards just to ban them..." We know! They will just keep printing degenerate cards, use them to sell product, and relegate them to the 4 point bracket. None of the overpowered and pushed cards we can point to are hypotheticals. They are all real and none were banned by WotC, but by the RC. This isn't a conspiracy theory. This is a business model. Of your four "confirmed mistakes" examples two are widely available, show up in precons and secret lairs, and the other two are mythics that are only printed in premium products. How does that show responsibility and good stewardship?
Easy now. These content creators don’t want to jeopardize a future, lucrative contract with WOTC.
Already started selling all my cards that are worth anything and will be playing power 2.
0:30 the way Red Amogus said “good sleeves” very demure, very mindful
We shouldn't accept WOTC as the rules committee, cards that are encouraging people to buy new sets won't be banned because profit will be more important to them than player satisfaction, we'll not see a ban before release again of valuable cards in my opinion and that sucks.
I think WOTC has the humility bug. A workplace culture of nodding heads with little to no constructive criticism. Clearly people at WOTC knew Nadu was a terrible design. But they couldn't say anything without creating a "negative workspace". Same with one ring. People are going to be so mad when they ban that thing and people lose their wealth. But that's what happens when people can't put foot down and say "Supervisor John Doe's idea is an interesting one, but let's be real."
That's how corporate is everywhere. They just agree and kiss ass.
Look up something called "toxic positivity". It's a real think that happens a lot in corporate culture, especially in creative production teams.
Thats not humility. Thats cowardice.
I have a playset of the one ring for my jeskai control deck in modern. The only thing that banning the one ring will do for me is make Jeskai control unplayable again. Honestly though it’s completely fine. My main deck is Dimir Murktide.
Monetary value isn’t really a thing to me. I just enjoy playing competitive games.
Welcome to "inclusiveness." If you think a (bad) idea is bad, you're just being uninclusive/bigoted/phobic etc. You all voted for this with the cultural zeitgeist you support. Enjoy more Nadus.
Mia looking extra sussy today
Magic the gathering is a game with ever rotating pieces. I’ve been playing since 1993. All of you humans whining about change weren’t around when the power level was so low (fallen empires) nobody cared about a new set. Have fun, change is life, and games with 30-40,000 pieces are complicated. Enjoy It! As a modern player who moved to commander, once the sting goes away, it’s a brand new day people!
yea im 100% going to proxy all my commander staples from now on
So glad you said "Get Out" to the undesirables of this community. Everyone else just shook a finger at them and scolded them. I appreciate the GTFO, and wish more content creators said that. You don't need their views, you don't want them here.
Yeah, it really captures the anger I feel towards these people.
We don’t have to tolerate this kind of behavior, Beezy gets that.
People saying that WotC shouldn’t act as the rules committee is surprising to me. It’s their game. They make it. IF you want to play in a WotC sanctioned event, you play by their rules. You want to play with your friends, you make your own rules. I’ve seen so many house rules at different stores that are perfectly fine. Your house, your rules. 😊
on the topic of making a card (the fury example) and then banning it.
as a company that lives on selling these cards, slow the production down, test the cards more properly and errata the card if it's still overpowered. straight up going "upsy sucks you bought this card or bought boosters until you got it! not our problem!" is a bad fucking business model.
Somewhat naive to think wotc isn't as happy as a kid at xmas. They have to make shareholders money. They now control the most popular format.
WotC is listening to the community! Well, do you remember Magic 30th? Yeah? Did you feeeeeeel the respect? 😂😂😂
I personally feel you are way too optimistic concerning wotc controlling the commander format. The fact that jeweled lotus even exists shows that wotc isn't simply making mistakes when they design overpowered cards. It was templated around one of the most famously broken cards in the game. Having a group of volunteers decide what needs to be banned was better than trusting that any paid employee will make the right calls. How can we even trust wotc will even allow them to make the right calls? Maybe if wotc promptly banned problem cards in the other formats, people would be less skeptical. Really, its wotc's design process that made the problem cards to begin with, so i'd rather not trust them.
I heard modern and standard are doing really great 😁
@@64-Palms legacy too is in such a fantastic place
Good one :D
Well standard yes.
Modern definitely is doing great right now not as good as it was a year ago, but definitely fun.
Standard is good by comparison to what it was a few years ago.
As nice of a thought as it is to think that Hasbro is actually interested in the long-term health and growth of Magic amd the WOTC's games; it is in fact impossible to trust them to actually do so. And it has nothing to do with the people there and everything to do with the general momentum and economic incentives that exist in A large corporation like Hasbro. Please, hope for the best, but keep in mind Hasbro is the same company that thought it was a good idea to release a non-transforming Optimus prime toy.
I have to be completely honest. With how WotC has been running almost every other format into the ground through neglect or EDH pandering, I don't foresee them doing a good job with this format. For protecting the previous rules committee, sure, but I have a bad feeling about the future of WotC and Magic as a whole if they're going to drive their main money source into the ground.
Five unpaid fans will become a rotating position of underpaid employees beholden to making the company money. Worst possible outcome.
Yours is the most optimistic, trusting-of-wotc take I’ve heard so far. Not sure I agree but I enjoyed listening
Plot twist, the threats etc. came from the Pinkertons feigning as magic players.
At least this is what I'd like to believe, as I'd like to think that the people who enjoy this hobby with me are well meaning and reasonable human beings.
PS. Beezy, I greatly appreciate you not being the 10th channel to put up a catchy video title just to read through the WoTC response. Thank you for summarizing and adding commentary.
On the topic of banning sol ring:
While I strongly believe sol ring won't ever be banned, having wotc in control means that they could more easily plan a future banning with the products to start printing precons without sol ring.
I still believe they wouldn't have the balls to do it simply because it would completely invalidate all of their previous precons, and they won't take a chance at losing money since people wouldn't be able to play them out the box
The amount of benefit of the doubt being given to WotC here is kind of insane. Hasbro is still their parent company, and what Hasbro wants, they bend the knee for. JL, Mana Crypt, And Dockside didn't magically become 100 dollar cards just because. They were intentionally withheld as equity to be used when they needed to push product. Lmao.
"They are learning from their mistakes" (about not wanting to print dockside) but while they are in the process of learning, they make it a chase card to sell Double Masters 2022 boxes
Not even the first time they received death threats for bans, happened at least for magic 30 said Olivia in a commander at home video with Ben B
Thanks for the honest update on information without the Doomsday Doom and Gloom crap. This is exactly why your channel has become my favorite
An update with info and no doom and gloom is one thing. Suggesting that wizards isn’t motivated by money and believing you can believe what they say is another.
Loving the new version of the cube. We ran 2 pods this last Saturday.
Best way to play!
I also like to keep a pile of precons sleeved so we can test out random decks.
Bracket ideas
Examples of cards rating:
0 Point - Basic lands
1 Point - Enter tapped nonbasic lands with no abilities or land types / Vanilla creatures with power 4 or less
2 Point - Enter tapped no basic lands with ETB ability / Vanilla creatures power 5 or higher
3 Point - Enter tapped nonbasic lands with land types (Fetch-able) / Sorceries (General)
4 Point - Enchantments that provide some benefit ex: Anthems / Phyrexian Arena - Instants (General)
5 Point - Conditional tutors 3 CMC or more ex: Cultivate / Fabricate
6 Point - Enchantments that provide significant value ex: Rhystic Study / Sorceries or Instant that could potentially win the game on the spot or heavily warp a game state or battlefield
7 Point - Conditional tutors 1-2 CMC ex: Enlightened Tutor / Worldly Tutor
8 Point - Unconditional tutors 5 CMC or more / 0 CMC Counterspells
9 Point - Unconditional tutors 3-4 CMC / 0 CMC mana neutral rocks
10 Point - Unconditional tutors 2 CMC or less / 0 CMC mana positive rocks
Examples of Tier Rating Systems
Option 1
Tier 1 - (1-200) Weak - Precon (Pre Commander Era)
Tier 2 - (201-400) Medium Precon level / Casual
Tier 3 - (401-600) strong Precon / Medium Unoptimized
Tier 4 - (601-800) Strong Focused
Tier 5 - (801-1000) High Power - cEDH
Or
Option 2
Closer to the old system (Preferred)
Tier 1 - 1 - 100
Tier 2 - 101 - 200
Tier 3 - 201 - 300
Tier 4 - 301 - 400
Tier 5 - 401 - 500
Tier 6 - 501 - 600
Tier 7 - 601 - 700
Tier 8 - 701 - 800
Tier 9 - 801 - 900
Tier 10 - 901 - 1000
I’m not saying wotc caused it to happen but they’re definitely stoked to be in control of their biggest format now, and without a fight
So wait wizards doesn't want a print Game-breaking cards in the format.But they couldn't play test Nadu A Card specifically made For commander?
Beezy, I totally agree that those threats by people are uncalled for. That's obvious to me. But to just take Wotc at their word, to say to us that "hey wotc won't do that bad thing because they SAID they won't do that bad thing" is full of problems. You have to realize that, don't you? That's just not a well-formed argument. Also, and this is not even close to conspiracy theorizing... it's not even far fetched to say that wotc predicted this outcome. They all knew how people might react with a ban like this. They've seen card-owners react in toxic ways in the past. It's really just a repeat of history, behaviorally speaking.
Wizards may control the format rules. But in the end, it cannot take away the peoples view on how to play it
"I'll buy your product, but I won't follow your rules!"
Appreciate you Beezy, for encouraging level headedness during such an unnecessarily chaotic time.
My playgroup went back to EDH's roots, back to playing a community designed game, playing Conquest.
Let's get it straight, anyone making threats to people over a piece of cardboard is not part of the Magic Community. They need to go. So disgusted to see the inappropriate behaviour of some people.
I also get a feeling that it was overblown a bit, just to justify WotC taking over. It was very bizarre how the Commander committee suddenly banned several of the most valuable cards (which would guarantee a negative response from the community) without even telling the CAG, then immediatley WotC swoops in and takes control . . . already with rules on how they want to run them in place. Very suspicious . . . >
How is Standard?
How is Modern?
You got your answer. ;-)
Standard’s actually pretty good right now
I’m all for giving wizards a chance. But it sounds wrong coming from beezy to trust them when beezy constant brought up power creep and how it’s not a good thing. Wizards knows they are power creeping and we view it bad. But we must trust them in all their judgment?
Giving wotc the benefit of the doubt will always be a mistake. I would advise you always distrust them until proven otherwise.
Is WotC dirty enough to have someone make the threats?
Probably but they wouldnt even have needed to. They probably suspected this kind of toxic backlash could occur. For ptet's sake, it's happened for lesser things in the past already.
Honest and authentic take on the changes, thanks. So please everyone calm down, lets enjoy the game again. The format is about fun and coming together!
Yeah because a company has never lied to our faces before. " of course they didn't want it"
5:09 that is exactly what the rules committee and CAG were.
I don't think you meant to do this but you really sounded like you were talking in circles circles this video. I understand the words that were said I understand the sentiment but the meaning behind it I was confused. The CAG and the rules committee dissolved and wizards got control and they're setting up another CAG the exact same way it was before and they're trying to make it sound like it's new and better it'll be exactly as it was before just with different faces. They had a small group of members they had a variety of people from different competitiveness within the game. So what's going to be different other than new faces?
9:17 Arcane Signet was a mistake? OK OK, THEN WHY MAKE JEWLED LOTUS?
I don't know how you can have such unquestionable faith for a company. It's not bad or wrong to be hesitant about this situation or question it.
Also I'm not sure why you're talking as if they are going to make sweeping changes tomorrow, anyone with some common sense knows that won't happen it'll be slowly and over time. Also any cards they make now with their unfettered control won't see the light of day for a year or more unless they take some Nadu style mistakes along the way.
WotC will just boil the pot of frogs slowly. By this time next year we will see clearly what they are doing.
JEWLED LOTUS
A card by the way which they were explicitly told/begged not to print by people they consulted about it (JLK told his story several times now).
Obviously, there wasn't a rules commitee on WotC's side until now, but there sure were consultants. This is nothing new.
Anyone who thinks Wizards is concerned about anything but their bottom line is just living in a naive dream world.
Of course they want to keep the format stable - why disrupt the money printing machine.
The rules commitee didn't do much for the past few years... last thing I remember is the Lutri ban. And that's exactly how WotC wants it to stay.
Slowly but steadily creeping power level and prices.
Remember the Walking Dead Secret lair? WotC promised to never print limited availabilty exclusive cards again.
Which worked great - right until they started releasing them as entire sets. But at that point, nobody cared anymore.
People are quick to anger and have a bad memory. No matter how much we disagree with any given descision - sooner or later the addiction kicks in.
Other than the (former) Rules Commitee, Wizards are well aware that you can do anything, if you are willing to weather the storm for a bit.
My thoughts exactly.
How about we revamp Mulligan rules so people can stop fishing for strong cards.
Everyone whos surprised how the community reacted: Really? Why were you surprised?
Were you never to r/magicTGC?
I deleted my reddit account literally 4 weeks ago because i got another 600 downvotes and horrible slurs via chat just because i said Commanders like Nadu should not be in the format.
Big parts of the community are a disgusting circlejerk and it just showed big time.
Refreshing to see a measured and positive take on all this. Thanks for being a voice of reason. I hope we get to play again in Vegas this year. Cheers!
How tf is arcane signet a mistake, it’s a 2 mana tap for 1, it’s the most fair card ever
Yea wtd even sol ring is fine
Absolutely love this perspective and so grateful for a calm response. Thank you so much for your content and always love and laughter in your lives.
For those worried about the future in commander, it will be fine. I fully realize that it is easy to express anxiety and change in the form of negativity… that is healthy and fine, but remember that the commander format will be fine and stay fun.
Mia's looking a little Sus today but since she's in red I can certainly tolerate it. That's the same color as Krenko, Mob Boss.
I keep seeing a lot of people complain about the bracket system and how confusing it is because you will have multiple cards in multiple brackets, simply get the median of all the card level powers and there's your answer for your power level.
So, as someone who’s been a little doomsday about this situation, I do think the accusations of price fixing, bots, and power grabs are insane. My concern is that corporations have shown themselves to be extremely eager to ruin IPs/game for profit. I wholeheartedly believe that WoTC does not want to do stuff like this. But I do think that as times goes on Hasbro will continue to sink their “line must go up” claws into Magic. They’ve already made lots of statements about how undermonetized DND was and they only backed down from a lot of gross behavior because of massive community backlash. And they’ve shown a willingness to flood the market with pushed cards and FOMO products already. I don’t think they’ll print to ban, but they will obviously make more power creep mistakes like they have for years. I am hopeful about the future of the game but I am always leary of consolidation of resources under profit driven corporations, especially if it was previously completely controlled by the community. That being said, the community showed its whole ass with death threats so this is what happens. Hopefully things get better over time! But we do need to watch out for greedy greedsters.
I would have loved to hear Red Amongous's "imposter" sound each time R.A. was focused in on.
Thank you for shouting out the Fogliokens, I love the Foglios art and Girl Genius.
I kind of like ranking every card into tiers. I think what they should do is somehow do a huge survey sent out to as many players as possible and ask them to rank the top few hundred cards and put them in those brackets.
What an incredibly levelheaded take. It’s nice to hear this in contrast to all the negativity.
You know nothing about human behavior. People who are voicing their frustration are still in a compromise stage. I would start out by saying there should have been a warning before these bans came. Serious people don't waste time warning you. they just do it.
The existence of the RC helped in the never ending legal struggle of Hasbro/WotC dodging gambling allegations; a third party entity that helped indirectly regulate the market was a healthy thing. I imagine they will find a replacement team of some sort that isn't completely in-house because of this, or possibly just split the format like people are hoping.
I don't trust wotc if they can prove me wrong I'll begin to think about adjustin my decks for the ban lists but until then I'm not touchin nothin
Imagine the alternate reality where this is what nitpicking nerds looked like right after cherries left lmao
I appreciate your optimism and I truly hope you are correct in it. I’m also sure I will keep playing regardless. But it really isn’t fair to suggest that WotC hasn’t earned every single bit of distrust aimed at them. You mention faulty designs. (I’d also say hard to argue they are learning from their mistakes when 3 out of 3 MH sets have required bans) But how about D&D PLs, Magic 30, Secret Lair Walking Dead and the Pinkertons? These were flat out predatory tactics.
Commander ended in 2012
Commander should use the Heritage MTG format card pool. It's a card pool that removes all supplemental and premium sets. Any card that wasn't first printed in standard is excluded from the format! "Direct to commander" product goes against the spirit of commander imo
this is my favorite duo on the channel ngl
Refreshing takes all around, couldn’t believe amogus wasn’t even interested enough to stay upright the whole time
I think people doom posting about conspiracies of wotc wanting to take over the rc or how they'll make overpowered cards and not ban them need to stop and realize that's what was happening already with the rules committee. The RC did so little overall that wotc basically was already in control, and because the format is already so casual if they go too wild with the banlist you can rule 0 it. Overall I look forward to their rule, the argument that they'll make more broken cards is stupid because they've already been doing it the entire time. I'm hoping they maybe hit older busted cards and possibly some of the more extremely powerful staples, but at worst I see this being incredibly mild change in leadership.
I can't believe that WOTC declared Grave Titan as a "Bracket 1" card, clearly it should be in its own bracket
Bracket 5 at least
I bought a Crypt last night. If it gets un-banned, it was a good time to buy one. If it stays banned, now I have all 4 banned cards that I would get graded and framed as a memorial to this strange time in Commander
it's like a retired jersey.
Finally a sane take on all the "Hasbro! Shareholders!" nonsense. Design mistakes are going to happen, theyve always been part of mtg.
Very well articulated. Well thought out and explained. A refreshing thing in the world of commander normally.
I really appreciate your positivity. Thanks for being so level headed.
I feel like there is one simple solution to the bans. Errata. Rerelease the 3 banned cards but with +3 to their casting mana cost. For mana crypt make the coin flip happen when you tap it for mana. For dockside give it a “once per turn” line of text. For Jeweled lotus have it enter tapped. Even sol ring could use an errata with “enters tapped” added to it. Reprint the 3 banned cards with their errata at Rare or Uncommon, print errata sol ring into the dirt to give away with every precon purchase to replace the Sol ring in the precon if it’s an older precon. Done. Everyone except investors are now relatively happy.
Wtf are you smoking.
Or, simply put, print new cards that are the "fixed" versions
... Which they more or less already exist.
It's the very concept of "chase cards" that is rotten to the core. The for banned cards (and many more, like the Modern ones) were all but chase cards, as well as the super power crept ones.
THIS is what is ruining everything: greed & milking
Commented before I saw the end of the video. Perfect ending.
All the constant negativity is crazy and toxic. People need to relax and chill.
Life's more fun enjoying things!
Thanks for the info. Interested to see how everything turns out. Like I have always said we always have rule 0.
Bro this probably the best reaction video to the announcement yesterday I like how you said mtg died again hahahahahah!!!! Since I've been playing this the 2nd time it died lol!!!! Thank you for being real keep doing what you guys do
I think this is great. I don’t want random people to make the rules for the cards being printed by wizards.
Hasbro executives “love the game just as much as players do” sounds like the hospital executives that “love saving lives” except when money is involved….but hey we got to take Hasbro word for it
Sol Ring is strong, for sure. When I first saw it as a casual player being introduced to commander by new college friends, I was so confused (free mana?) The ramp I had seen was getting a single new land tapped on the battlefield, or a mana rock that cost 3 colorless for 1 of 2 colored mana. Its definitely not on the same level as lotus/mox/mana crypt shenanigans though.
I feel that swords to plowshares, sol ring, and other "staples" should be bracket 2. Bracket 1 should be stuff that is niche, not playable in every deck.
I appreciate your voice in all of this!! I agree that the new grade system seems promising
Let’s just continue to cultivate our own group of players that don’t play fast mana including sol ring
NN streamlined the rule 0 convo for me, wizards should put it on a token or ad card in packs.
1. Fast mana?
2. Combos?
3. Tutors?
I can predict the outcome because I have been abused by Wotc in Modern for 10 years now. What? Am I just suppose to keep trusting an abusive partner? Is that the advice you are giving people? That is bad advice. WotC has proven they do not deserve my trust through their own actions. They need to do at least 5 or 6 great things without a misstep before I ever think about maybe trusting them again.
Your trust isn't deserved, your trust is earned. End of story.
My man
@@ivansaliuk132 The takeaway from this sad post should be that there are many people who are in this deep who WotC considers their customers and see nothing wrong with. To play my old-timer card, I've see enough games die out and seen people still dumping huge sums of cash into unsupported, defunct TCGs and tabletop games to think that rational consumers are needed for businesses to thrive.
I feel like two format brackets would be fine, just combat damage wincon vs alternate wincon EDH decks. Everything is interruptible, but players get a much better idea what to interact with if they know what kind of win everyone in the group is going for.
Nerds out here spitting facts. Don’t be part of the problem 👊
My fav part of the stream is how someone pointed out that their tiered system doesnt allow for any powerful cards in precons. Instant flaw 😆
Death and physical threats are uncalled for and unacceptable. I did disagree with the Rules Committees on how they handled the banning which caused over $130m in loses. Hopefully some of these cards will be unbanned. Our group plays casual Commander and we will use proxies so everything is on a level playing field. I do not think we need 4 levels for Commander decks. Thank you for the video Beezy.
I'm going to need some kind of argument explained to me eventually on why Sol Ring shouldn't just be a 4
But yeah, I don't need to clamour for that immediately
Overall, if more power creep happens and if it's turning me off, I suppose some stuff that's going to be considered a 4 now (once things settle) may just become considered 3-like in my brain (or I may headcanon a 5 bracket -- although I'm well aware of the advantages of splitting things like this into quartiles rather than quintiles given the 7 problem; you need to be cautious about thete being a miffle, median sort of category to be laxly declared rather than falling either above or below key lines with some room for nuance), and we'll go from there.
Sorry Beezy the damage is done more folks sold collections this weekend then were buying. Only the die hards were buying and they are buying banned cards if they already don't own them. Since wotc is taken over many are assuming proxies are out because wotc prefers you play with real magic cards.
Many of these commander players are going to other card games such as poker, spade, gin rummy because well these clubs are popping up everywhere. You can run a poker tournament with no money. Also sadly folks are tired of the drama/cliques of magic players. Sad but true the behavior many magic player exhibited showed why many folks play in private pods because folks do not know how to act.
I'm here for the positive , hopeful message you're giving! Also for the dragon shield promo code hehe
Beezy for president!
Refreshing to hear a reasoned take that isn't overly cynical, I can expect nothing short of that from this channel. Thanks for being a level headed voice in the community.
I dont exactly like the bracket system. I think any deck power rating system that makes sense can't really be defined by a single card, and also can't vary on a scale of 1-4, many things falling into 1,2, and 3 are not at all made equal. I hope those aspects see improvement. They have to understand that any system that doesn't actually communicate accurately won't be picked up by the player base, and I'm sure they do.