"'Cause you couldn't stand the idea that we would be disappointed in you" I bet those words hurt Homelander just as much as "You're my greatest failure", "You are simply bad product", and "You're a f**king disappointment"
This more than explains why Stan Edgar was so confident and assured of his control over Homelander. He knew how to play psychological warfare and knew that Homelander had been so psychologically broken down that he couldn't help but fall in line.
His microexpressions are WAY TOO apparent. Almost always, they aren't this apparent. I agree he at least does a good job showing em, but it's not as perfect as people say it is.
This is about alot more than just his ego! Hes coming to the shocking realization that he had absolutely no control over how he became the man he is. And that he never had a chance from the start to become anything more than pathetic.
I wouldn't say no control but it was definitely an uphill battle. Where they really failed homelander was not teaching him to control his powers. We see in the cartoon homelander tried to do go but a mix of power not having familiarity with his powers and all the mental trauma.
It is a shame he didn't have someone with compassion there, right then, to tell him "No human had it any different to you. We ALL had our childhood enforced on us. It is a COMMONPLACE human experience to be F'ed up by our parents. Put it behind yourself, and, IF IT WAS WRONG that you were mistreated BE BETTER. You can start today. What other option do you have than to be better?".
@@uncletiggermclaren7592 the dude was put in a furnace at 5 yrs of age, forced to kill supes, attempted to be cut into to test durability, put in a vat of boiling water to see how long he could hold his breath, indoctrinated to love america and jesus to be some sort of saviour (cult behaviour and conditioning) so, yes EVERY human on the planet had it different to him.
@@uncletiggermclaren7592That wouldn't work on modern day Homelander he'd likely laser you for even trying to suggest you know something about his situation.
@@habijjjthat was part of it. him not being able to control his power made him more co dependent so he felt like thier help was necessary and without it he couldn’t be a good hero. making him feel more pathetic and unsure of himself knowing he needed them to clean up his mistakes
@@filipvadas7602lol fr, I think sometimes people forget Vought is the real villain of the show. If it wasn’t for the company there wouldn’t be crazy fuckn super powered freaks.
The psychologists did their job, they fashioned the strongest leash they could to hold the strongest man alive. It’s Voughts fault for not having a plan for when Homelander would inevitably chew through that leash. I mean Stan Edgar may seem cool & all seeming confident because he can press all the right buttons to control Homelander. But it was inevitable that Homie would break through the conditioning. Homelanders mirror alter ego: Mirrorlander is his inner psyche telling him to break free. And every season he gradually becomes more unhinged with less restraints. Season 5 has to be about his open war against the United States otherwise all this build up is for nothing. Amazon better be willing to shell out the big bucks for a spectacular final season.
@@sonamtashi7706Yup. Season 4 felt like side quests the season. Everyone on their own side quest barely advancing the main plot forward. Though I do find it cool they used real world tactics like behavioural therapy/manipulation on him since childhood since they had no physical power over him. That's basically all you COULD do to a child who's basically Superman
@@thedoomslayer5863 Vought still shouldn't have put all their eggs in one basket by relying on psychological conditioning alone to keep Homelander in check. The virus should have been one of many contingencies ready in case the Supes went off the rails, which low and behold, they did.
Nah, Homelanders are created every day. To actively understand and create that sort of evil? That's a cut above. I'm glad she got what was coming to her, and I'm glad Homelander dished it out, regardless of everything else in the series.
Not really a monster when you consider she started with the fact that he [laser blasted his way out of the womb before] killing the medical staff as a baby As tragic as he was born a weapon, without a way to protect other people from him, everyone would be much more fucked. She’s not the one giving orders but she’s one of the team that had to survive him day after day
They could've just raised him to be healthy and have a strong conscience. Kind of a higher imperative. They have the tools and the research data to raise homelander the right way. Abuse never keeps anyone in line forever unless the individuals are killed before they gain control over the abusers. They'd have a hard time killing him. They didn't think it through. They chose to use evil methodology to abuse him knowing they'd have to dispose of him.
She's not victim blaming. She's pointing out flatly what homelander is and has done and for what? Love and approval because they TRAINED him to want that.
How exactly is she not taking responsibility for how fucked up they made Homelander here? I may be misreading the scene, but it sounds like she's pretty explicitly saying "we're responsible for your greatest weakness, the source of your pain, and the reason you're such a monster."
He was just a baby and didn't know any better. They MADE him to be the way they did, from his pwoers to his reliance on love. "We were terrified of you" they didnt have that right.
Yep this scene was truly heartbreaking. They could have used those psychologist to make him a better empathetic human who wanted to save others. Instead they created a monster. As an adult though Homelander should decide for himself. But he chooses to be a monster still.
@@patriciazandilencube4597homelander became a monster in 1999 when he was finally introduced to the world as “The Homelander” at the age of 18, and then also met noir too
The thing is though, Homelander isn't even a superhero in the slightest sense. He just APPEARS to be a superhero. We never saw any benefit out of this guy, only the liabilities
People like YOU are thr fucking problem, he was tortured as a fucking child and they put emotional dependency in his head, vogelbaum accepted that at first he was a sweet innocent child and it's shown in diabolocal that he tried to help people but his trauma fucked him up
Didn't Stan mention this when they talked? Vought is not a superhero company, they're a pharmaceutical company. It's true to life. Big Pharma doesn't make drugs to help people, they make them to make money. It's the reason insulin costs a few bucks to make and yet it's sold for hundreds of dollars.
Basically told him what his kryptonite was and how it could be used to manipulate him. Stan Edgar also basically saying this last season to belittle him
@@rouninpanda6318 what smart 😂 you think Clark is smart? A Rich dude dressed as a 🦇 beats him time and again and not just him but the Justice League too or maybe that 🦇 freak is way intelligent that all of them I guess...
Some people don’t need the best psychologists in the world to have that deep feeling of approval and love.. you just figure out at a certain age that you just have it.. and it hurts
@@everythingloveurlife4904 But it is on high surveillance and any surveillance disruption or missing contact would lead to security teams getting there. Also not all the employees were present I guess, so they should get there eventually. And I don't think that Homelander even cares about not allowing anyone to enter that facility.
Bigger issue seemed to be all the torture and inhumane practices, such as locking him in the Bad Room. The torture could be seen as just testing but even so, it permanently fucked up HL's mind, as it would anyone. There was simply no benefit to the Bad Room.
I like the fact that despite everything, the true antagonists in the story are Vought. Not Homelander, not the Seven, not corrupt superheroes no. Corrupt PEOPLE are the actual villains of this story. The saddest thing is Stan Edgar is right. Vought doesn’t need superheroes to continue on. Despite what we see in the show’s latest seasons and stuff, superheroes are just advertisements for Compound V. Even if the Seven didn’t exist, Vought won’t be affected.
well she certainly succeeded in being the only one left alive tho, just like stan, no? didnt seem like she cared much about getting killed too bc even she’s aware that no one at vought had power over him. The thing is HL’s ego is super vulnerable to verbal attacks. He’s deranged, but as weird as it sounds, homie still got a heart and feelings to be verbally affected on a lighter note, if there’s an eminem in-universe releasing a diss track for homie, he’d prolly cry lmao
She....Kinda is.... She didn't die here. He killed everyone else though. He kills the ones that betrays him or are afraid of him. People who stand up to him tend to be spared... Either out of respect or out of pure curiosity I guess... I'm sure he wondered more than a few times what Stan has that makes his heart never miss a beat when confronting him.
@@simon-peterwilliamson2412 Because no one is going to check on this major Vought science lab that produced Homelander after it's been unresponsive for a day or two?
Homelander has a very legitimate reason to be as awful as he is, what’s this terrible lady’s reasoning? Her smile when she’s talks to him, that’s pure evil.
As much as I absolutely despise Homelander, I can’t help but relate and sympathize with him in this scene. I do think he deserved a better childhood, as all children do, HOWEVER, it doesn’t excuse his actions. His feelings are valid, but his actions aren’t.
She should have probably stopped at the you couldn't stand the idea of being disappointed because after she revealed that they had therapist to get him to feel this way why wouldn't he kit like lock you up and leave you with a bunch of corpses I mean I would and I don't even think I'd as crazy as Homelander if I found out that one of the people that helped raise me was not only a piece of garbage but also made sure that other people that were supposed to help me were also making me feel like s*** then yeah I probably do the same thing if I was in his position
She said that 'cause she knows about his needs validation and aproval, the only one who can hurt Homelander is himself, by saying that he was not only created by Vault but also controled to be a slave for validation was truly, human. "I'm stronger, I'm smarter, I'm better! I AM BETTER!"
These grammar kiddos are more unhinged than Homelander lol. Yeah I'd have done the same or worse in his position after having that revealed to me. Though it is a depressing thought that kiddo Homelander could have freed himself from the torment anytime he wanted to but was manipulated into staying.
@@KristaErrickson But the entire reason the establishment hates him is that he DOESN'T rely on them. There's only been three US presidents who were able to fund their campaign independently, and all three were hated during their campaigns. I think it's because if you fund your own campaign, you're not in debt. And if you're not in debt, you can't be controlled. Don't have to make and keep promises to get into the oval office. So Orange Man is one of the few men this ironically doesn't apply to since he only got into politics in his 70s.
Homelander learning that he IS fucked up, and it was intentionally done to him. He was wounded in the only place he isn't night invulnerable -- his mind. His biggest weakness.
"Greatest success" he is at your throat and sees people as red and black ants. Sure he wants love, but doesn't matter if they love him while he destroys his enemies and haters that he hates.
HER WORDS JUST MADE HOMELANDER EMOTIONAL AT FIRST HER WORDS MAY HAVE BRAKE HIM AT LAST WHEN SHE SAYS THAT HOMELANDER IS OUR GREAT SUCCESS HE ACTUALLY BECAME HAPPY THIS IS THE ONLY WOMAN WHO SURVIVED FROM HOMELANDER AND SPOILER MENTION SHE ALREADY ACCEPTED THAT THEY COULDN'T STAND A CHANCE AGAINST HOMELANDER
He doesn't actually kill her directly. Just traps her in the room full of dismembered rotting corpses and limited air with nobody coming for her. Total lulz.
Something funny about The boys show is that 100% agrees with the superman's thesis, Superman is not Superman due to his power but because of his good heart and great upbringing, Vogelbaum said himself, Homelander needed a loving family and someone who taught him right and wrong, instead Vought created a sociopath surrounded by test and torture to find his limits, and now that same sociopath is being told that all the shortcomings of his character are due to someone else's creation, he's a product to Edgar, he's a product to the scientist and for everybody else he's a menace, this is the type of villain you want to see death but can't help to feel pity for him
The craziest thing is that even after being told he was basically made to be the kind of person he is that even with all his superpowers he can't fix his personality flaws anymore then a regular person can, maybe even less so bc of the fact that he's suppose to be the strongest man and most powerful supe in the world.
John should break free of his "Homelander" persona in the finale. That would be the perfect conclusion for his character. This way Homelander dies mentally while John lives free.
everything we knew about vought is that they successfully genetically engineered a human on an absolute superficial level, but we never realised what they did to homelander is also a super engineering on his mental to the point his needs of love is so strong above humanity
My interpretation is that he was looking for a way to make her scared. That's why he left her alive but gutted everyone else in front of her. His reaction when she looked down says it all. "Hm :)". That's when he finally got confirmation that he could make her scared, and that's what he did.
@@Nutbag517 true but let's look at it deeper So She wasn't scared of him, everyone else was, entirely He unalived everyone else and plastered them on the walls and left her alone Only when she realized that she was alone, locked in a room with no way out did she know how homelander felt growing up And she learned why it's called "the bad room"
@@Nutbag517 Exactly this. It's what seems to give him a weird respect towards Butcher, Stan and Sage. Maybe even Annie. People who defy him, who he probably could easily just laser or smack the head off but since they don't fear him, it almost makes him decide against it. The only time he initiated violence against any of them is when they directly posed a threat to him in some large way. Such as lasering Butcher when he found him with Soldier Boy or attacking Annie in the elevator after all the shit with Kimiko's brother/directly disobeying his orders.
Idk if it's intentional or not but when he taunted her with "but you weren't?" And she looked hesitant, HL smiled because he thought he instilled fear into her and then when she stayed calm and kept her composure he looked pissed. Barbara could've actually escape unharmed had she stayed strong but alas fear consumed her at the end
It's ironic how almost every being Homelander killed, could have saved themselves by simply standing up to him. The irony in that is crazy... Even the girl on the building who was gonna jump, I wonder if she could have stood a chance if she simply....stood up to him.. 🤔
Tbf, with someone as strong as HL, who in their right mind would stand up to him? The only ones who have are people who have a good bit of history with him and no fear for the most part. And sides, standing up to him doesn't mean he would spare you. He seems to respect Butch, Stan and Sage because they talk to him as an equal and are not fearful of him. And they're honest with him.
Every season this man(?) has been called a failure and a disappointment by every parental figure in his life. Vogelbaum: You’re my greatest failure Stan Edgar: You are simply bad product Soldier boy: You’re a f’ing dissapointment Doctor (don’t remember her name): We would be disappointed in you
This episode succeeded in making me feel some empathy for homelander for the first time, then quickly spit in my face with the horrible atrocities that he committed afterwards
Homelander could’ve been raised in a nice home with a loving family the way Superman was. Instead, he was raised in an underground lab surrounded by doctors who cooked him in an oven, locked him in what he called the Bad Room, and whatever else they did to him. If he WASN’T raised in a lab, maybe he wouldn’t have done all the really messed up stuff that he’s done throughout the course of the show and all the other stuff he probably did before the events of the show.
This was probably the worst thing to actually happen to Homelander in the entire show. She even smiles about it because she already knows she's toast anyways.
What’s interesting about this scene is how cold, insensitive and inhuman the scientists truly are when she describes the work they did to homelander. It makes him seem so much more innocent.
There's just no way that she'd tell him all of that, because it'd have no benefit to her and would start to undo her power over him. And so look at what happened afterwards. Compelling characterization, bad plotting.
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"'Cause you couldn't stand the idea that we would be disappointed in you" I bet those words hurt Homelander just as much as "You're my greatest failure", "You are simply bad product", and "You're a f**king disappointment"
Im 25 yrs/old and I still trying to overcome that barrier for external validation, yeah Homelander inside the same as me, a weak human
@@zkennedy5671what don't break you make you, there's a wisdom to learn from bullshit we go through, wisdom that can also be passed on 💪
You should not be connecting with him 💀@@zkennedy5671
All some of my favorite moments in this show.
I love how y’all think you know Homelander. No one does but me.
This more than explains why Stan Edgar was so confident and assured of his control over Homelander. He knew how to play psychological warfare and knew that Homelander had been so psychologically broken down that he couldn't help but fall in line.
His ego was so shattered he just cried and went home. Nothing happened after this. No one in the office was hurt 😁
Wait till you see the rest of the episode. 😂
@@KelvinSGright over your head bro
That wouldve been hilarious! 😁😆😅😂
Everything he did was because of shattered ego, this whole thing started with him crying in a mirror about wanting to be loved, don’t get it twisted
@@KelvinSGwow you didn’t understand the comment
Antony Starr's microexpressions should be their own show.
Literally
His microexpressions are WAY TOO apparent. Almost always, they aren't this apparent.
I agree he at least does a good job showing em, but it's not as perfect as people say it is.
@@smart-ass8518But they're super funny none the less. I like it.
@@smart-ass8518wdym?
@@smart-ass8518 Do they need to be invisible for you?
This is about alot more than just his ego! Hes coming to the shocking realization that he had absolutely no control over how he became the man he is. And that he never had a chance from the start to become anything more than pathetic.
I wouldn't say no control but it was definitely an uphill battle. Where they really failed homelander was not teaching him to control his powers. We see in the cartoon homelander tried to do go but a mix of power not having familiarity with his powers and all the mental trauma.
It is a shame he didn't have someone with compassion there, right then, to tell him
"No human had it any different to you. We ALL had our childhood enforced on us. It is a COMMONPLACE human experience to be F'ed up by our parents.
Put it behind yourself, and, IF IT WAS WRONG that you were mistreated
BE BETTER. You can start today.
What other option do you have than to be better?".
@@uncletiggermclaren7592 the dude was put in a furnace at 5 yrs of age, forced to kill supes, attempted to be cut into to test durability, put in a vat of boiling water to see how long he could hold his breath, indoctrinated to love america and jesus to be some sort of saviour (cult behaviour and conditioning) so, yes EVERY human on the planet had it different to him.
@@uncletiggermclaren7592That wouldn't work on modern day Homelander he'd likely laser you for even trying to suggest you know something about his situation.
@@habijjjthat was part of it. him not being able to control his power made him more co dependent so he felt like thier help was necessary and without it he couldn’t be a good hero. making him feel more pathetic and unsure of himself knowing he needed them to clean up his mistakes
this woman is such a fucking good actress
It was Vought all along
And they killed his dog sparky too
woah... nooo way.....
Vought: it was me homelander it was me along, homelander! Wwf/wwe
Always has been
@@filipvadas7602lol fr, I think sometimes people forget Vought is the real villain of the show. If it wasn’t for the company there wouldn’t be crazy fuckn super powered freaks.
He wasn’t just engineered to be a super weapon, but also perfectly micromanaged to be a man-child that thrives off of attention.
They brought the best psychologists in the world, really, and their biggest failure.
The psychologists did their job, they fashioned the strongest leash they could to hold the strongest man alive.
It’s Voughts fault for not having a plan for when Homelander would inevitably chew through that leash.
I mean Stan Edgar may seem cool & all seeming confident because he can press all the right buttons to control Homelander. But it was inevitable that Homie would break through the conditioning.
Homelanders mirror alter ego: Mirrorlander is his inner psyche telling him to break free. And every season he gradually becomes more unhinged with less restraints.
Season 5 has to be about his open war against the United States otherwise all this build up is for nothing. Amazon better be willing to shell out the big bucks for a spectacular final season.
They didn’t really fail though the man’s biggest weakness is (was?) his need for approval
@@sonamtashi7706I agree
@@sonamtashi7706Yup. Season 4 felt like side quests the season. Everyone on their own side quest barely advancing the main plot forward.
Though I do find it cool they used real world tactics like behavioural therapy/manipulation on him since childhood since they had no physical power over him. That's basically all you COULD do to a child who's basically Superman
@@thedoomslayer5863 Vought still shouldn't have put all their eggs in one basket by relying on psychological conditioning alone to keep Homelander in check. The virus should have been one of many contingencies ready in case the Supes went off the rails, which low and behold, they did.
"My mom is 70 she can't hurt me"
My mom:
When Homelander is only the second most evil person in a room.
Man I don't think she's evil she's just telling the truth while not being scared of homyboy
@@NoOne-cz1nuShe was a participator in stealing a young boys life. For branding. Yes, she's evil.
Every single person at Vought responsible for making him is worse than he is.
She is unquestionably evil.
She is unquestionably the second most evil person in that room.
Nah, Homelanders are created every day. To actively understand and create that sort of evil? That's a cut above. I'm glad she got what was coming to her, and I'm glad Homelander dished it out, regardless of everything else in the series.
bro is vulnerable to talk no jutsu💀💀💀
literally opposite of talk no jutsu, the woman was not even saying positive things lmao
@@aconfusedlacroix3965talk no jutsu, negative style.
@@constructiverfd5304 talk no jutsu, roasting style
Evil talking to a monster. Poetic.
Not really a monster when you consider she started with the fact that he [laser blasted his way out of the womb before] killing the medical staff as a baby
As tragic as he was born a weapon, without a way to protect other people from him, everyone would be much more fucked. She’s not the one giving orders but she’s one of the team that had to survive him day after day
They could've just raised him to be healthy and have a strong conscience. Kind of a higher imperative. They have the tools and the research data to raise homelander the right way.
Abuse never keeps anyone in line forever unless the individuals are killed before they gain control over the abusers. They'd have a hard time killing him.
They didn't think it through. They chose to use evil methodology to abuse him knowing they'd have to dispose of him.
It's victim blaming when she says it's all his fault. They did there best to create a monster but she does not take responsibility
She's not victim blaming. She's pointing out flatly what homelander is and has done and for what? Love and approval because they TRAINED him to want that.
@@dinoloverWhat's his fault
@@rudrathakoreshe didn’t blame him for anything. I swear most people are socially r3tarded
@@dinolover So...yeah, that is exactly what victim blaming is lol.
How exactly is she not taking responsibility for how fucked up they made Homelander here?
I may be misreading the scene, but it sounds like she's pretty explicitly saying "we're responsible for your greatest weakness, the source of your pain, and the reason you're such a monster."
He was just a baby and didn't know any better. They MADE him to be the way they did, from his pwoers to his reliance on love. "We were terrified of you" they didnt have that right.
When she said that about him not wanting to disappoint them and them using that, and the way she smiles about it, truly broke my heart 😢
Yep this scene was truly heartbreaking. They could have used those psychologist to make him a better empathetic human who wanted to save others. Instead they created a monster. As an adult though Homelander should decide for himself. But he chooses to be a monster still.
Because he is beyond screwed. He can't fix himself. You learn how to be a human being in childhood. Or you don't @@patriciazandilencube4597
@@patriciazandilencube4597homelander became a monster in 1999 when he was finally introduced to the world as “The Homelander” at the age of 18, and then also met noir too
The thing is though, Homelander isn't even a superhero in the slightest sense. He just APPEARS to be a superhero. We never saw any benefit out of this guy, only the liabilities
Preaching to the choir my guy, this was clear since episode 1
People like YOU are thr fucking problem, he was tortured as a fucking child and they put emotional dependency in his head, vogelbaum accepted that at first he was a sweet innocent child and it's shown in diabolocal that he tried to help people but his trauma fucked him up
Didn't Stan mention this when they talked? Vought is not a superhero company, they're a pharmaceutical company. It's true to life. Big Pharma doesn't make drugs to help people, they make them to make money. It's the reason insulin costs a few bucks to make and yet it's sold for hundreds of dollars.
Congrats on figuring that out after 4 seasons
Lil bro took 4 seasons to figure that out smh 🤦
That horrifically sinister smile she had. Great acting.
Basically told him what his kryptonite was and how it could be used to manipulate him. Stan Edgar also basically saying this last season to belittle him
Guess that's where the psychotic Homelander learned it.
Thing is, she usually almost always the sweetest characters. What a twist.
Many times Homelander could have killed Stan Edgar, but the fact he sees Homelander as a child in an adult body shows why he doesn't fear him.
One of the Best moments in the new season
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Homelander’s whole plot this episode was probably the most intense part of this series so far for me.
@@calowenby1654for real. Everything else felt like everyone just going on their own little side quests barely moving the plot forward
This was possibly one of the biggest scenes this season
Should have just been adopted on a farm with loving parents....wait a minute...
superman
@@Tefezilla He's not smart enough to be like Clark.
@@rouninpanda6318any child with the correct upbringing and enough parental love can grow up to be a decent kid tbh
@@rouninpanda6318Smarter
@@rouninpanda6318 what smart 😂 you think Clark is smart? A Rich dude dressed as a 🦇 beats him time and again and not just him but the Justice League too or maybe that 🦇 freak is way intelligent that all of them I guess...
Anthony Starr deserves an Emmy 100%!
Some people don’t need the best psychologists in the world to have that deep feeling of approval and love.. you just figure out at a certain age that you just have it.. and it hurts
😢
everyone does, but you feel it more accurately when you’re not getting it
As producer Eric Kripke and Anthony Starr say: "bro, if you think Homelander is cool, and a hero? Get therapy"
Ditto. 😱
This lady must be Dangerous Nanny in the world. She even survived Super Tantrum child without a scratch...
she didn't survive, he locked her up in that room forever
@@peaklander1 Based username, dap me up my G
@@peaklander1 we don't know. Maybe she was freed
@@Coldvaderby who? It’s a secret site ran by Vought and Homelander now runs Vought😂
@@everythingloveurlife4904 But it is on high surveillance and any surveillance disruption or missing contact would lead to security teams getting there. Also not all the employees were present I guess, so they should get there eventually. And I don't think that Homelander even cares about not allowing anyone to enter that facility.
She looks so proud of what she did to Homelander, and that’s saying something
Man, this guys acting is so good
Those psychologists could've done a MUCH better job.
They could have bring best psychologist in the world and taught john how to be kind and compassionate, instead they turn him into a bad product 😂
Bigger issue seemed to be all the torture and inhumane practices, such as locking him in the Bad Room. The torture could be seen as just testing but even so, it permanently fucked up HL's mind, as it would anyone. There was simply no benefit to the Bad Room.
I like the fact that despite everything, the true antagonists in the story are Vought. Not Homelander, not the Seven, not corrupt superheroes no. Corrupt PEOPLE are the actual villains of this story.
The saddest thing is Stan Edgar is right. Vought doesn’t need superheroes to continue on. Despite what we see in the show’s latest seasons and stuff, superheroes are just advertisements for Compound V. Even if the Seven didn’t exist, Vought won’t be affected.
Bro thought she was stan edgar
well she certainly succeeded in being the only one left alive tho, just like stan, no?
didnt seem like she cared much about getting killed too bc even she’s aware that no one at vought had power over him. The thing is HL’s ego is super vulnerable to verbal attacks. He’s deranged, but as weird as it sounds, homie still got a heart and feelings to be verbally affected
on a lighter note, if there’s an eminem in-universe releasing a diss track for homie, he’d prolly cry lmao
She....Kinda is.... She didn't die here. He killed everyone else though. He kills the ones that betrays him or are afraid of him. People who stand up to him tend to be spared... Either out of respect or out of pure curiosity I guess... I'm sure he wondered more than a few times what Stan has that makes his heart never miss a beat when confronting him.
Her only mistake was hesitating when he asked if she was afraid of him. Show him that you might be afraid of him and he stops wanting your approval.
@@SirGaleyou guys are forgetting he sealed the door shut so she will die
@@simon-peterwilliamson2412 Because no one is going to check on this major Vought science lab that produced Homelander after it's been unresponsive for a day or two?
Wonderful and sad scene. That actress was the bomb.
I like that they go deeper in what made Homelander so amoral in the series, compared to the comics.
Homelander be like "neh neh neh You killed three docs neh neh neh" 🤣🤣🤣
I mean homelander was a baby when he did that, he likely had no control over his abilities at the time, what do you want him to do lmao
He was a new born. He most definitely wasn't responsible
Yeah, he's a loser. That's the message. If you think Homelander's cool...get therapy.
yesssss, i’m glad i’m not the only one who noticed how amazing scorcese is at making female actors stand out in his movies
Homelander has a very legitimate reason to be as awful as he is, what’s this terrible lady’s reasoning? Her smile when she’s talks to him, that’s pure evil.
As much as I absolutely despise Homelander, I can’t help but relate and sympathize with him in this scene. I do think he deserved a better childhood, as all children do, HOWEVER, it doesn’t excuse his actions. His feelings are valid, but his actions aren’t.
I love when people stand up to him
Imagine a world, where Soldier Boy got to raise Homelander properly, and they had a family, and a life.
Kinda hard to imagine SB being a great dad as well, but at the same time, probably better than torturing him and locking him in a blank, white room.
I love how she just straight upset this, fully confident that he wouldn't kill her because she's right
The rare moment where Homelander kills somebody and I'm on his side.
He never kills her.
@@takeitzenman7894He effectively does by trapping her down below with no escape.
I love when a show can make exposition not actually feel like exposition
Vought reminds me of the Umbrella Corporation
Minus the zombies & viruses. They are both pharmaceutical companies.
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Me 2 scary
She should have probably stopped at the you couldn't stand the idea of being disappointed because after she revealed that they had therapist to get him to feel this way why wouldn't he kit like lock you up and leave you with a bunch of corpses I mean I would and I don't even think I'd as crazy as Homelander if I found out that one of the people that helped raise me was not only a piece of garbage but also made sure that other people that were supposed to help me were also making me feel like s*** then yeah I probably do the same thing if I was in his position
She said that 'cause she knows about his needs validation and aproval, the only one who can hurt Homelander is himself, by saying that he was not only created by Vault but also controled to be a slave for validation was truly, human. "I'm stronger, I'm smarter, I'm better! I AM BETTER!"
Have you tried using periods? Punctuation? It really helps when writing several sentences. Makes it much easier to read. Am I right? Thanks.
Gosh i had a stroke reading your comment.
That was the longest sentence ever
These grammar kiddos are more unhinged than Homelander lol. Yeah I'd have done the same or worse in his position after having that revealed to me.
Though it is a depressing thought that kiddo Homelander could have freed himself from the torment anytime he wanted to but was manipulated into staying.
That lady is a great actor. She potrayed it so well❤
He respects people that stands up to his Ego
When what they could've done was teach him the solid morals and character he pretends to have.
Oh boy did she regret all of this by the end of the episode
The fact that he left her, but not the others makes her point a fact
This is how career politicians are raised
Guess who the writers/producer/actor are modeling Homelander's real-life counterpart on....Don the Demi-God .
@@KristaErrickson But the entire reason the establishment hates him is that he DOESN'T rely on them. There's only been three US presidents who were able to fund their campaign independently, and all three were hated during their campaigns. I think it's because if you fund your own campaign, you're not in debt. And if you're not in debt, you can't be controlled. Don't have to make and keep promises to get into the oval office.
So Orange Man is one of the few men this ironically doesn't apply to since he only got into politics in his 70s.
Anthony is such a great actor
Homelander learning that he IS fucked up, and it was intentionally done to him. He was wounded in the only place he isn't night invulnerable -- his mind. His biggest weakness.
She really thought she was Stan Edgar
I mean he did spare her in the end lol.
@@promeneuzivotu117 not exactly sparing her if shes locked in a room forever...
She didn't?
@@violet_7808 she was trying to play power moves on homelander but it put her in a living grave
@@LawnXMowerXGaming Bro she was gonna die like everyone else, if anything, she ensured her survival, y'all are so weird against woman characters.
I wouldn’t have spelled it out for him, you’re hardening him against his weakness
Bro was cooked from the start
Figuratively and literally, literally threw blud in the oven
"Greatest success" he is at your throat and sees people as red and black ants. Sure he wants love, but doesn't matter if they love him while he destroys his enemies and haters that he hates.
Its not cause of his fear of disappointment. Its cause he wanted their approval because he was a child
They brought the best psychologists in the world yet they still fucking failed to raise a real man and a true hero. This is 100% Vought's failure
homelander is not the villain, he is the hero in a revenge arc
I'm guessing you're a child with no understanding of what villainy and heroism is.
Then get therapy, according to producer, creator Eric Kripke, and actor Starr. That is NOT the message.
@@KristaErrickson cope
I cant believe its taken me this long to realize it, but homelander and vought are basically sephiroth and shinra 😅.
Earl and Randy's long lost brother, John
A lot of us have the same weakness.
Get therapy
Eddie's Million Dollar Cookoff. Home Ec teacher. God that was killing me
For all his strength, he had no power
Give the man an Emmy already.
HER WORDS JUST MADE HOMELANDER EMOTIONAL AT FIRST HER WORDS MAY HAVE BRAKE HIM AT LAST WHEN SHE SAYS THAT HOMELANDER IS OUR GREAT SUCCESS HE ACTUALLY BECAME HAPPY THIS IS THE ONLY WOMAN WHO SURVIVED FROM HOMELANDER
AND SPOILER MENTION SHE ALREADY ACCEPTED THAT THEY COULDN'T STAND A CHANCE AGAINST HOMELANDER
He thinks he needs what he wants but hates what he needs
He doesn't actually kill her directly. Just traps her in the room full of dismembered rotting corpses and limited air with nobody coming for her. Total lulz.
Homelander found out what we learned from Benny
"The Truth is, the game was rigged from the start."
Something funny about The boys show is that 100% agrees with the superman's thesis, Superman is not Superman due to his power but because of his good heart and great upbringing, Vogelbaum said himself, Homelander needed a loving family and someone who taught him right and wrong, instead Vought created a sociopath surrounded by test and torture to find his limits, and now that same sociopath is being told that all the shortcomings of his character are due to someone else's creation, he's a product to Edgar, he's a product to the scientist and for everybody else he's a menace, this is the type of villain you want to see death but can't help to feel pity for him
That would be a good prank for my friend's son
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He spared her because she didn't B.S. him. She was 💯 real with him, instead of the fake apologies like the other 2.
The craziest thing is that even after being told he was basically made to be the kind of person he is that even with all his superpowers he can't fix his personality flaws anymore then a regular person can, maybe even less so bc of the fact that he's suppose to be the strongest man and most powerful supe in the world.
I wonder who they're hinting that could be in real life? 🤡🙄👑
Crazy how proud she sounds about the psychologists, did they plan to make a monster
John should break free of his "Homelander" persona in the finale.
That would be the perfect conclusion for his character.
This way Homelander dies mentally while John lives free.
"So, yeah, yeah..." Nice read.
“Unbelievably powerful being gets intellectually and emotionally scarred by completely normal person in the line of work” needs to be a genre.
Someone worse than Homelander right there.
It's scenes like this that got me temporarily identifying with homelander
Starr is so terrifying as Homelander because of his subtle changes in his face
everything we knew about vought is that they successfully genetically engineered a human on an absolute superficial level, but we never realised what they did to homelander is also a super engineering on his mental to the point his needs of love is so strong above humanity
Vought are the real villains
I hope she liked his artistic display he left behind in the room.
Omg the "but you weren't?" Just hit me
He doesn't kill people who aren't scared of him, he didn't kill her
Bingo.
He did seal her in a small room where she would likely die from starvation. Unless we see her again i'd assume she died slowly.
My interpretation is that he was looking for a way to make her scared. That's why he left her alive but gutted everyone else in front of her.
His reaction when she looked down says it all. "Hm :)". That's when he finally got confirmation that he could make her scared, and that's what he did.
@@Nutbag517 true but let's look at it deeper
So
She wasn't scared of him, everyone else was, entirely
He unalived everyone else and plastered them on the walls and left her alone
Only when she realized that she was alone, locked in a room with no way out did she know how homelander felt growing up
And she learned why it's called "the bad room"
@@Nutbag517 Exactly this. It's what seems to give him a weird respect towards Butcher, Stan and Sage. Maybe even Annie. People who defy him, who he probably could easily just laser or smack the head off but since they don't fear him, it almost makes him decide against it.
The only time he initiated violence against any of them is when they directly posed a threat to him in some large way. Such as lasering Butcher when he found him with Soldier Boy or attacking Annie in the elevator after all the shit with Kimiko's brother/directly disobeying his orders.
we need more of the Queen Marve in S5 in action
Can't believe Earl Hickey's mother is so evil
Homelander weakness is not being feared
Idk if it's intentional or not but when he taunted her with "but you weren't?" And she looked hesitant, HL smiled because he thought he instilled fear into her and then when she stayed calm and kept her composure he looked pissed. Barbara could've actually escape unharmed had she stayed strong but alas fear consumed her at the end
I think this is the part he realized he was born broken, its not something that he can fix
It's ironic how almost every being Homelander killed, could have saved themselves by simply standing up to him. The irony in that is crazy... Even the girl on the building who was gonna jump, I wonder if she could have stood a chance if she simply....stood up to him.. 🤔
No, because he is LAZY, he takes the easy way out every time. And for him, that is *lazereyes*
Kinda like, some GOP members....
Tbf, with someone as strong as HL, who in their right mind would stand up to him? The only ones who have are people who have a good bit of history with him and no fear for the most part. And sides, standing up to him doesn't mean he would spare you. He seems to respect Butch, Stan and Sage because they talk to him as an equal and are not fearful of him. And they're honest with him.
The ending for this character really traumatized me…no one deserves that…
nah. she did.
Vought The Ring Master
That reminds me Jason Bourne and Albert hirsch Treadstone story
Every season this man(?) has been called a failure and a disappointment by every parental figure in his life.
Vogelbaum: You’re my greatest failure
Stan Edgar: You are simply bad product
Soldier boy: You’re a f’ing dissapointment
Doctor (don’t remember her name): We would be disappointed in you
She just undid what bound Homelander. Thank God Homey didn't read “The Art of Not Giving a ....”
This episode succeeded in making me feel some empathy for homelander for the first time, then quickly spit in my face with the horrible atrocities that he committed afterwards
Go out your door, and see the real world version.
@@KristaErrickson brother what are you talking about
Homelander could’ve been raised in a nice home with a loving family the way Superman was. Instead, he was raised in an underground lab surrounded by doctors who cooked him in an oven, locked him in what he called the Bad Room, and whatever else they did to him. If he WASN’T raised in a lab, maybe he wouldn’t have done all the really messed up stuff that he’s done throughout the course of the show and all the other stuff he probably did before the events of the show.
It was Me Barry
This was probably the worst thing to actually happen to Homelander in the entire show. She even smiles about it because she already knows she's toast anyways.
What’s interesting about this scene is how cold, insensitive and inhuman the scientists truly are when she describes the work they did to homelander. It makes him seem so much more innocent.
There's just no way that she'd tell him all of that, because it'd have no benefit to her and would start to undo her power over him. And so look at what happened afterwards. Compelling characterization, bad plotting.