I've really enjoyed your journey with the 928GT-what a fabulous car! I look forward to some more of your restorations. Great films, Gary, and thank you.
Thanks Gary. Every time you mentioned Tom it brought a smile to my face. Such a character. It would be interesting to hear more of his stories and his experiences with cars and life in general. These older people have so much to share and a lifetime of experiences to share. Hope that Tom and his wife are keeping well.
Gary - it was a privilege and fabulous surprise to have you come down to the Cotswolds to join in the fun with @tribalgruppe Great to meet you both and look forward to seeing the 928 at another Porsche event with us. ❤
I have a real connection to the 928, and despite early snobbery by some Porsche owners groups, it's heartening to see it get some appreciation. Perhaps it's backhanded fortune that the love for the 928 doesn't equal the aircooled 911s. Because great examples of the transaxle cars can still be had for realistic money. To my eyes they're dead sexy, the 928 will always make my petrol heart beat a bit faster. Great video Gary, was nice to have John stop by to help and tell stories. ✌️
Hi Gary from Sydney, Australia. the 92 looks terrific now, also these are the ONLY Porsche model I have ever liked. Merc 600's in Australia RE the large amounts of Mercedes 600's in Australia. As a kid born in the mid1950's in Mosman, Sydney, which is one of the most expansive suburbs on Earth, let alone Australia, I saw how many 600 RHD's were on the road when they were new, and in Mosman, that was HEAPS, and I mean heaps. My dad's dad, Bill Harvie had a '55 Merc 300 B sedan, the predecessor to the 600. He bought it new from York Star motors in William ST, Sydney City. However as Mercedes as a brand became more acceptable, more people bought them, and the local iron monger(hardware) and VW dealer dispensed with his builders supplies bricks, wood, tiles & timber, plus also his general engineering business, and demolished all that, and erected a new big flash car sales yard to sell Merc'. He also built a big new service dept at same time in the mid 1960's. Whilst he was still alive Granddad thought that was great as if his big green 300B needed to be serviced he only had to drive it a mile to Cremorne Junction, not all the way into the city & get the ferry back, plus he was a longtime mate of Donk MacIntosh who owned the MB dealership. We went up to "mac's" one day to get something adjusted on the green300 B and in the service dept at MacIntosh's were a DOZEN yep 12 600's being serviced, I took a photo of them all with my new little Kodak 126 camera I'd just received that Xmas. THATS HOW POPULAR MB 600's were in OZ just randomly 12 at one occasion being serviced in one dealership in Sydney. I'll go one step further, my other Granddad, Mum's dar and his siblings owned a giant laundry & dry cleaning business, they had 3 factory operations, collection point shops for people to drop off their clothes at and to pick up cleaned, all need to be collected by us and taken to one of the 3 big factory sites to be cleaned, and 20 shops with the new modern small Krupp D-C machines in, However the "monster" factory was at Chatswood, which did commercial cleaning for government (army, navy & RAAF) , hospitals, schools & businesses. When it was kids holidays I liked going out with the delivery drivers to see all the fantastic cars "hiding" in the big houses on Sydney's leafy upper NorthShore suburbs and also to drop off cleaned uniforms for the dealer's mechanics. Both my "tribes" lived in Mosman, and that's 12 miles from Chatswood, and at Chatswood was Sanny Morrison's Mercedes Benz dealership, right in the middle of "heartland" upper NorthShore, that was also worth a look in as it would harvest a different fleet of Merc 600's & you could tell due to the numberplates as people who owned nice cars would often have the 5 character older style black & white plates with 2 letters followed by 3 numbers, the letters normally being the owners initials, instead of the normal new South Wales yellowy-orange plates with 3 black letters & 3 black numbers.. I found the interesting thing with 600's were no two were alike, they often had different features inside. Why SO MANY 600's well, Ford Aust' stopped selling proper built in Australis RHD Lincoln Continentals at the end of 1965 as they were sent as "bits in a box" full CKD kits (completely knocked down), and did not re-offer a factory RHD Lincoln again until the 1970 MK3 Coupe. Plus their mortal opposition GM Aust's Holden had done likewise, with Cadillac, but earlier as the updated Caddy 390ci engine new for 1963 proved troublesome, re-worked and updated in 1964 to 429ci this proved even worse, So GMH-A wanted no further warranty claims and stopped getting not just Cadillac CKD Kits, but stopped Buick ones as well. The new but "shrunken" Rolls Silver Shadow seemed to be nowhere as popular as the prior Silver Clouds & Bentley S series & there were PLENTY of these on the roads here too. On my Mum's side of the family, Nanna's Brother Uncle Len bought one of the first two '65 RR Shadows imported into Australia, in a rich metallic red with bone natural colored leather , and I remembering being out with him one day in it when I was 9 or 10 years old, the garage attendant was filling it with petrol, a bloke also having his car filled up came walking over to Uncle Len & said that's not a proper Rolls Royce it's not big enough !! So Gary I think those with deep pockets went out and bought MB 600's in quantity as they were the "right size" and available since the "yanky" offerings availability ceased. But, eventually GMH-A re-offered just one Cadillac model type again in 1971 for just 4 years, the premium Fleetwood Brougham long wheelbase sedans, fitted with self levelling air shock suspension, Maxtrac (joint abs & traction control) etc these were very competent cars, not like a basic Calais or DeVille, and when new were priced above a Rolls Shadow but just slightly below a MB 600. Fitted with a new wide angle 500 cube or 8.3 litreV8 that is virtually indestructible. After the early take-up of MB 800's these new premium Caddy's became the next "weapon of choice" for the very wealthy, they have a very formal roof/line, and an elegant middle "B' pillar, plus very curved side glass & all the glass in the car is UV light proof & thick as well. These are HUGE cars 6 meters long, 2 meters wide, weigh in at 3180 kilos dry weight. As a kid I just loved MB 600's, but when in late 1970 at Sydney motor show I saw the new '1971 Fleetwood Broughams my mind was changed. Due to the cars having to be Right Hand Drive, the Aussie version is different in many ways than a US version. examples, NO anti-pollution gear so you have a full power 400+ HP engine, brighter lights AUS dip 55cp, high 95cp, inner high 150cp, USA spec 35cp/55cp/55cp (about as bright as a candle) , the US LHD steering box was useless and GMH-A went to Marles-AD West engineering that make aircraft nose wheel steering to come up with a FORWARD mounted RHD steering box to suit with a mere 2.4 turns lock to lock and this also meant that the right side US engine exhaust manifold was useless as in the way of RHD steering column so a new freer breathing one was designed and a new left side one to match, then the dashboard, no USA plastic-fantastic dash, Aussie spec saw REAL wood panels, dicast brass chromed instrument bezels, padded real leather dashtops as these were high priced near hand built cars selling for big dollars to the top end of town. Best of all were the discreet colors that they were offered in, NO in your face and horrible 1970's colors in the Aussie sales brochures just very sober metallics and some solid enamels, dark blue, dark green, black & white. I own 2 of these a black 1974 model and 2 weeks ago it had its 42nd anniversary in my care, and a white 1972 model in November it will have its 32nd anniversary in my care, these Caddy's just don't break their engineering is superb. My grandad Bill Harvie loved French singer Edith Piaf and her exquisite background pianists, he'd had a lovely Becker 8-track tape player fitted to his big green 1955 MB 300 B, when returning to Sydney on a Sunday night from our house in the country 120 miles south there would be plenty of quality entertainment, with the two of us singing along too. In the pre-freeway/motorway years this was a 3 hour trip as hilly windy single lane roads, then the red stop & go light crawl from Liverpool to the city and over the Harbor Bridge. I thought he might update to a 600 but when he found out how "fiddley" they were he said this will do me out, and it did he drove it until he passed away.
May I say a big “thank you” for your relating tales from your youth, in what sounded like a truly idyllic world. I was born in 1960, in Birmingham, England. My dad was comfortably off and he was definitely a traditionalist. Mum was “firmly discouraged” from seeking paid work outside the home. Volunteering was fine. He was a doctor and he eventually became senior in the pharmaceutical industry. Looking back, he & family friends had pots of money. The family usually had four cars at once,only one of which was a company car, such as a Ford Zephyr. It might have been a straight six, but I was under 10 years old back then. He also bought a TVR Tuscan in BRG metallic. Big V8 in a glass fibre body. Hairy chested car! I remember dad at the wheel at over 120mph on a motorway, with me kneeling on the passenger seat. There were no seatbelts. That is the instant I became a lover of all things with an ICE in it. Still true, 55 years later. I was less fortunate, perhaps, than you. Our family was dysfunctional in its own unique ways, as the saying goes. So i don’t have many good memories. Dad’s love of cars and me passing him tools as he serviced them was one of the very few. It sounds to me that you were blessed with a sound upbringing and at least one in which there probably was role models all around you. I loved the tale which explained why so many of those top level Mercedes ended up in Sydney. The cartoon image that we in Britain have had inserted into our heads about Australia & Australians tended to steer far away from the big bucks. Of course, in most developed nations, there is one or more really successful business areas. In your neck of the woods, it sounds like there were plenty such people not too far from you. You’ve created an image in my head of a prosperous city in a truly blessed part of the world, during what may come to be more widely known as “peak civilisation”. I was born ten years too late to be there in that last hurrah. The descent from then & there to the dreadful situation we’re now in upsets me greatly, more for my young adult children’s’ lives than my own. Once again, thank you 😊
Another great video, Gary. Thanks Also caught you on the TV with Vera 😆 I fell out of my chair. There's no end to your talent. Cheers Eric from Adelaide, South Australia
John reminds me of my Rolls Royce mechanic who worked at our RR dealership for 42 years! I so enjoy hearing him talk about those years when the Cloud, Shadow, Spurs were new! I trust him 100% as you do John! We are extraordinarily lucky to have awesome friends! As subscribers, we very fortunate to have your channel!
The most relaxing 928 content on youtube, thanks Gary for another great instalment. I had a good look at your 928 at the NEC last weekend, I haven't seen one in the metal for quite a while and seeing yours has cemented my intention to buy one as soon as one of my other cars sells. (I bought several 928 books at the NEC!). I was thirteen when the 928 first appeared and saw a metallic gold one with a pascha interior in West London for the first time, it looked like it had just landed from another planet and I've loved them ever since. I've got my eye on a few early Ss at the moment (I prefer the rear lights on the early cars) so fingers crossed I'll be able to bag one soon. Looking forward to more updates on the 928.
Loved this. As an owner of a 928s that is being renovated I love watching your show, especially when you are working on that lovely 928. Mine should be ready for first use in 5 years over the next few weeks, very excited
Wow Gary, Tom has been such a dilgent guy in his meticulous looking after his cars and you have benefitted from this as the new owner of this one. Well done him! Wow that's a huge oil filter - all the best for doing the best job! Great investment in terms of time and safety - that device is far safer than those little spring compressors. And well done Machine Mart. Regarding the speeding ticket... fair to say, they just don't understand!
Great episode Gary.I always get inspired to get on cracking with my classic cars. Car guys just speak a special language. Cars are healthier than drugs and cheaper that therapy. Well done indeed.
I bought an '88 928 S4 back in 2007 or so. When the transporter backed it off of the truck and I got inside for the first time I was promptly greeted with the timing belt tension warning light. Wonderful. Much to my surprise, the timing belt job was not that big of deal. My accessory belts also looked to be worse for wear as yours did but my timing belt (factory Porsche) looked just as perfect as yours. One of the accessory belts had "Oct '98" faintly visible on it. Further research pointed to the fact that all the belts were last done nine years ago. Had I just eyeballed the timing belt I would have assumed it was new because the markings looked great but it was in fact quite old. I definitely wasn't feeling like playing timing belt roulette with a 928 V8 because I rarely win in those sorts of show-downs. My timing belt tension light turned out to be and electrical issue... not too surprising for a Shark. I'm sure you'd rather not do yours but I bet it's just as old as those worn accessory belts you removed. Are you feeling lucky? You've certainly tackled worse. ;-)
Another great video Gary, great to meet you and see the 928 on Saturday at the Tribal Grüppe meet. I’ve always loved these cars despite having one catch fire on me 35 years ago! Maybe it should be my next purchase as I’m looking for a classic.
If i had to make an educated guess, i would say the cambelt service including water pump was probably the last and most recent service Tom had done before he put the car up for good. He probably lost the paperwork or had the job done by a Porsche tech on the side hence no records. It would also explain the missing airtube since at that point was not as accountable as he was at a younger age. Gary has an amazing eye since he caught the misaligned cover due to the wrong bolt being used during reassembly during the cam inspection. Nothing slips by the master. 😊
He owned the Lou’s I purchased off him since new. Can’t find a spec of paperwork on it even though he’s the most fastidious and meticulous gentleman I’ve ever met! All will turn up eventually!! Regards
Another excellent relaxing and soothing to watch episode Gary, your 928 is such a cool car, I do hope you’re going to hold onto that car for a good while, will appreciate in value whilst enjoying the car
What a delight seing you guys working in that car. Another great episode and that classic encounter what a piece of mind gavs it to me to see all that cara and the quitness of the place Thank you Gary
Thank you for sharing Gary. I always love how meticulous you are when working on all these amazing vehicles. The Porsche 928 has always been a favorite of mine among many others. Love what you do and look forward to your next video. 👌👍
Unknown last cambelt change is always a nagging doubt and its impossible to not fret about it letting go when you give it gas. I just did the belt, pulleys and pump on my Lotus M100. The old one looked fine after 6 years but i can rest easy now. Proper brute of a job too.
I didn’t drive it for a whole year as I had no paperwork you confirm. Still haven’t but that belt and cam pulleys where brand new! Take my word for it. I would spend a grand on the kit just to shy out of it. Regards
Yes.. before Made in Germany 🇩🇪 but unfortunately the new ones are Made in China. 🇨🇳 😔 so will self destruct in 2 years as per usual with Chinese build quality.
Another great video mate , i really enjoy your channel and style of presentation, i remember doing the valve cover and breather cover gaskets on my sl500 m113 , had to buy one of those small torque wrenches, 6nm and 4nm torque settings which is virtually nothing, very important on aluminum engines, i actually back in liverpool for a few days walked past your mums yesterday seen your mercedes estate up the drive getting something done to the front offside suspension or brakes , great job on the porsche mate absolutely beautiful car
@@classic.obsession I thought it was yours, I do i like the older mercs ( not a fan of the newer ones or most new cars come to that , apart from the jaguar xf sport break but that's another story) and estate cars are really handy, I used to have a b5 passat estate it was a 20v turbo sport kept it for about 10 years
Another top video Gary with top tech John who knows his stuff mixed in with some great car trade stories on the Liverpool Merc scene ,928 and motor hub stuff.Also always great to see the machine mart gear which got me going on the car restoration game 40 years ago with the E type stuff ,nicely topped off with a bit of Southport classic car action,thanks again ,keep em going .
Always enjoy the content of your posts Gary. Interesting to hear your thoughts about Bosch parts. My E63 recently received 8 new plugs from Mercedes, Bosch ones, as NGK equivalents have a different thread. Bosch electrodes all face the same/right way when torqued, NGK ones face a different way apparently causing the valves to possibly burn out. Interesting fact, how much truth is in it I don't know, but Mercedes did supply a diagram! Keep up the good work Gary 👍
Great episode Gary fantastic content, very informative. Love how the car just slotted in with the rest of them at that car meet. Keep up the good work mate.
Definatley 2 heads are better than one , i'm guilty off putting back the wrong bolts when rebuilding stripped down cars for bodywork . A bit less important than mechanical work , i remember doing a Astom Martin Superleggera 2019 rear defusser strip down and replace and every 8mm bolts had to go back probably 60 nuts ffs but i did took me ages . Great vid Gary
That spring compressor is a great idea. Worth every penny I'm sure and will pay for itself over time. I did mine with the claw type threaded rod compressors. Difficult and dangerous.
Fantastic Video as always Gary something for everyone from the tech to the social enjoyment of owning a classic. Will you be featuring dear Tom I'm sure he would enjoy a drive out and see his former car in it's new glory.
Great to see a GT coming back to life! I notice the "check engine" light is on. Could be a knock or Hall sensor issue - not uncommon as the engine compartment is a hot place and wiring on an 25 year old car doesn't hold up well.
Interesting conversation you had on differences in parts from different manufacturers of parts . Once had a Fiat 132 1800 ES ( miss her loads! ) , the points could be , Bosch , Marelli , or Ducellier , depending on availability from factory I guess, my points had a small hole. Tried Intermotor equivalent, car would not start , careful inspection showed the return foil spring touched the body of points preventing spark. Put my old ones back in , she flicked over first time. I found Intermotor ok for British cars I had when I first started driving , no issues at all , but ever so slight differences with foreign cars I’ve had since.
Bloody Fantastic Gary - think we've all been waiting with great interest for that episode ! The Porsche looks and sounds wonderful - big applause to you ! Was great to hear you and John exchanging stories - I know what you mean about having a bit of company now and again when working on the motor too :-) Really enjoyed that episode Pal ! Cheers Stew
I've been waiting for this episode, Gary. Not what I expected. I thought that young lady from a previous episode had offered to help with this job? Well, a lot of work saved, and I guess all the parts you got in the States can wait until the next time this job needs doing. Very strange that a major cam belt change wasn't recorded. Lovely car.
Such a good episode Gary. Getting the perishables up to date should see the 928 run like a Rolex for a few years. Solid state relays are a good upgrade as using her could see them fail. Now you have the ultimate GT maybe a road trip to Le Mans classic or Monaco Classic. Was you earlier 924 a 2 L or a 2.5 S?
Thanks John. The 924 was a two litre. Love the driving position, where the gear-lever is situated and above all the none interference engine. Very underrated! Regards.
I bought my first 928 from its original owner, low miles, always serviced. Had a Porsche factory trained tech replace the belts. He pulled the covers but did not replace the belt because he said the belt looked brand new based on the printing. Two weeks later after daily driving the belt snapped. Huge mess to get fixed and this was only on a 16v engine that was non-interference. I would not gamble on a visual inspection of a 928 timing belt.
Spotted a 91 GT .. shame I don't have more room at home.. though it's a Red on Black in a dog leg.... and I don't think my work would want me to have such a car as my business vehicle lol.
Although the cam belt etc look brand new, it's really important to check it's age - they time expire and can fail despite appearing new. if you don't know when it was replaced it's likely a false economy not to change it.
Crazey not to put cambelt kit on while you were nearly there. Would always be a niggle in the back of my mine how old the belt is. Still love the videos and you do all your own work.
Hey great idea to clean up the engine bay before starting the work, its horrible when all your sockets and wrenches get covered in grease & grime! Do you own a genuine 928 Car cover? I recently won one of ebay for my S4 and am blown away by the fitment quality and softness of it. Just a thought, they are 380 quid from Porsche, but I go an unused 2nd hand one off ebay for 125. Would you be selling the bits purchased from Roger? Or saving them for future?
Hi Gary Maybe you can contact the dealership where the 928 was mainly serviced And ask them if they have a date or record of when the belt was replaced. Just a thought….
Hi Pete. Yes, I did and the last record of the belt change was 2007. So no joy there. When I enquired as to why they had never suggested a change of it, their reply was ‘we only do what the customer asks!!’ Have you ever heard anything so rediculous?!! From past experience, most dealerships will try and pile as much work on as they can get away with. Needed or not. It’s all about a quick turnaround and maximum profit with trickier jobs being farmed out the back door to reputable garages. I’ll keep trying to get to the bottom of things. Regards.
@@classic.obsession Great content Gary. Good to see your subscribers numbers Increasing. People like genuine content with genuine presenters we all don’t want To see expensive builds with unattainable Cars. Keep it up Cheers.
You generally do good work, and yes, the cam belt looks good, you have no record of where or when the belt was last replaced. You had done half the work required to remove cam belt. Best practice would be to replace. Then you, and next owner would know. Rubber, and the reinforcement will perish, even if looks okay, obviously your car, your choice. Man and boy mechanic.
Keith I made a decision that I’m happy with. You’ll agree I’m far from lazy!! I even have the full kit purchased and sitting in my garage. It’s definitely been done in my mind and meticulously but if it goes bang in the near future what a great episode it would make!! Regards
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I've really enjoyed your journey with the 928GT-what a fabulous car! I look forward to some more of your restorations. Great films, Gary, and thank you.
The 928 and the Lotus will be exhibited at the NEC this weekend and I’ll be there too. Regards
Thanks Gary. Every time you mentioned Tom it brought a smile to my face. Such a character. It would be interesting to hear more of his stories and his experiences with cars and life in general. These older people have so much to share and a lifetime of experiences to share. Hope that Tom and his wife are keeping well.
I’m organising a trip back for one last drive. Regards
Gary - it was a privilege and fabulous surprise to have you come down to the Cotswolds to join in the fun with @tribalgruppe
Great to meet you both and look forward to seeing the 928 at another Porsche event with us.
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Thoroughly enjoyed the company!
I have a real connection to the 928, and despite early snobbery by some Porsche owners groups, it's heartening to see it get some appreciation. Perhaps it's backhanded fortune that the love for the 928 doesn't equal the aircooled 911s. Because great examples of the transaxle cars can still be had for realistic money. To my eyes they're dead sexy, the 928 will always make my petrol heart beat a bit faster. Great video Gary, was nice to have John stop by to help and tell stories. ✌️
Agreed. I think they’re much sexier than the 911’s….appreciated!
@@classic.obsessionGary for me that’s the best car you own , friend of mine had one in 1992 , such a great car to drive so long legged . 👌🏼
Agree…I feel the 928 was a great design and so futuristic for its time.
My dad had one of these when I was a kid. I loved riding in it. It was at the local Porsche dealer a fair amount.
Great video. Good to see the 928 on the road again. Don't forget to show "the old fella" your completed work.
Tom sharing old Liverpool Dealership 'war stories' with Gary whilst working on a Porsche 928 GT ... life doesn't get any better ... 💞👍
Without doubt the best RUclips channel I watch, your meticulous attention to detail & the way you edit the films is perfect, thank you Gary
Appreciated Neal. Plenty more to come! Regards..
Hi Gary from Sydney, Australia. the 92 looks terrific now, also these are the ONLY Porsche model I have ever liked.
Merc 600's in Australia
RE the large amounts of Mercedes 600's in Australia. As a kid born in the mid1950's in Mosman, Sydney, which is one of the most expansive suburbs on Earth, let alone Australia, I saw how many 600 RHD's were on the road when they were new, and in Mosman, that was HEAPS, and I mean heaps. My dad's dad, Bill Harvie had a '55 Merc 300 B sedan, the predecessor to the 600. He bought it new from York Star motors in William ST, Sydney City. However as Mercedes as a brand became more acceptable, more people bought them, and the local iron monger(hardware) and VW dealer dispensed with his builders supplies bricks, wood, tiles & timber, plus also his general engineering business, and demolished all that, and erected a new big flash car sales yard to sell Merc'. He also built a big new service dept at same time in the mid 1960's. Whilst he was still alive Granddad thought that was great as if his big green 300B needed to be serviced he only had to drive it a mile to Cremorne Junction, not all the way into the city & get the ferry back, plus he was a longtime mate of Donk MacIntosh who owned the MB dealership. We went up to "mac's" one day to get something adjusted on the green300 B and in the service dept at MacIntosh's were a DOZEN yep 12 600's being serviced, I took a photo of them all with my new little Kodak 126 camera I'd just received that Xmas. THATS HOW POPULAR MB 600's were in OZ just randomly 12 at one occasion being serviced in one dealership in Sydney.
I'll go one step further, my other Granddad, Mum's dar and his siblings owned a giant laundry & dry cleaning business, they had 3 factory operations, collection point shops for people to drop off their clothes at and to pick up cleaned, all need to be collected by us and taken to one of the 3 big factory sites to be cleaned, and 20 shops with the new modern small Krupp D-C machines in, However the "monster" factory was at Chatswood, which did commercial cleaning for government (army, navy & RAAF) , hospitals, schools & businesses. When it was kids holidays I liked going out with the delivery drivers to see all the fantastic cars "hiding" in the big houses on Sydney's leafy upper NorthShore suburbs and also to drop off cleaned uniforms for the dealer's mechanics. Both my "tribes" lived in Mosman, and that's 12 miles from Chatswood, and at Chatswood was Sanny Morrison's Mercedes Benz dealership, right in the middle of "heartland" upper NorthShore, that was also worth a look in as it would harvest a different fleet of Merc 600's & you could tell due to the numberplates as people who owned nice cars would often have the 5 character older style black & white plates with 2 letters followed by 3 numbers, the letters normally being the owners initials, instead of the normal new South Wales yellowy-orange plates with 3 black letters & 3 black numbers.. I found the interesting thing with 600's were no two were alike, they often had different features inside.
Why SO MANY 600's well, Ford Aust' stopped selling proper built in Australis RHD Lincoln Continentals at the end of 1965 as they were sent as "bits in a box" full CKD kits (completely knocked down), and did not re-offer a factory RHD Lincoln again until the 1970 MK3 Coupe. Plus their mortal opposition GM Aust's Holden had done likewise, with Cadillac, but earlier as the updated Caddy 390ci engine new for 1963 proved troublesome, re-worked and updated in 1964 to 429ci this proved even worse, So GMH-A wanted no further warranty claims and stopped getting not just Cadillac CKD Kits, but stopped Buick ones as well. The new but "shrunken" Rolls Silver Shadow seemed to be nowhere as popular as the prior Silver Clouds & Bentley S series & there were PLENTY of these on the roads here too. On my Mum's side of the family, Nanna's Brother Uncle Len bought one of the first two '65 RR Shadows imported into Australia, in a rich metallic red with bone natural colored leather , and I remembering being out with him one day in it when I was 9 or 10 years old, the garage attendant was filling it with petrol, a bloke also having his car filled up came walking over to Uncle Len & said that's not a proper Rolls Royce it's not big enough !!
So Gary I think those with deep pockets went out and bought MB 600's in quantity as they were the "right size" and available since the "yanky" offerings availability ceased. But, eventually GMH-A re-offered just one Cadillac model type again in 1971 for just 4 years, the premium Fleetwood Brougham long wheelbase sedans, fitted with self levelling air shock suspension, Maxtrac (joint abs & traction control) etc these were very competent cars, not like a basic Calais or DeVille, and when new were priced above a Rolls Shadow but just slightly below a MB 600. Fitted with a new wide angle 500 cube or 8.3 litreV8 that is virtually indestructible. After the early take-up of MB 800's these new premium Caddy's became the next "weapon of choice" for the very wealthy, they have a very formal roof/line, and an elegant middle "B' pillar, plus very curved side glass & all the glass in the car is UV light proof & thick as well. These are HUGE cars 6 meters long, 2 meters wide, weigh in at 3180 kilos dry weight. As a kid I just loved MB 600's, but when in late 1970 at Sydney motor show I saw the new '1971 Fleetwood Broughams my mind was changed. Due to the cars having to be Right Hand Drive, the Aussie version is different in many ways than a US version. examples, NO anti-pollution gear so you have a full power 400+ HP engine, brighter lights AUS dip 55cp, high 95cp, inner high 150cp, USA spec 35cp/55cp/55cp (about as bright as a candle) , the US LHD steering box was useless and GMH-A went to Marles-AD West engineering that make aircraft nose wheel steering to come up with a FORWARD mounted RHD steering box to suit with a mere 2.4 turns lock to lock and this also meant that the right side US engine exhaust manifold was useless as in the way of RHD steering column so a new freer breathing one was designed and a new left side one to match, then the dashboard, no USA plastic-fantastic dash, Aussie spec saw REAL wood panels, dicast brass chromed instrument bezels, padded real leather dashtops as these were high priced near hand built cars selling for big dollars to the top end of town. Best of all were the discreet colors that they were offered in, NO in your face and horrible 1970's colors in the Aussie sales brochures just very sober metallics and some solid enamels, dark blue, dark green, black & white. I own 2 of these a black 1974 model and 2 weeks ago it had its 42nd anniversary in my care, and a white 1972 model in November it will have its 32nd anniversary in my care, these Caddy's just don't break their engineering is superb.
My grandad Bill Harvie loved French singer Edith Piaf and her exquisite background pianists, he'd had a lovely Becker 8-track tape player fitted to his big green 1955 MB 300 B, when returning to Sydney on a Sunday night from our house in the country 120 miles south there would be plenty of quality entertainment, with the two of us singing along too. In the pre-freeway/motorway years this was a 3 hour trip as hilly windy single lane roads, then the red stop & go light crawl from Liverpool to the city and over the Harbor Bridge. I thought he might update to a 600 but when he found out how "fiddley" they were he said this will do me out, and it did he drove it until he passed away.
May I say a big “thank you” for your relating tales from your youth, in what sounded like a truly idyllic world.
I was born in 1960, in Birmingham, England. My dad was comfortably off and he was definitely a traditionalist. Mum was “firmly discouraged” from seeking paid work outside the home. Volunteering was fine. He was a doctor and he eventually became senior in the pharmaceutical industry. Looking back, he & family friends had pots of money. The family usually had four cars at once,only one of which was a company car, such as a Ford Zephyr. It might have been a straight six, but I was under 10 years old back then.
He also bought a TVR Tuscan in BRG metallic. Big V8 in a glass fibre body. Hairy chested car! I remember dad at the wheel at over 120mph on a motorway, with me kneeling on the passenger seat. There were no seatbelts. That is the instant I became a lover of all things with an ICE in it. Still true, 55 years later.
I was less fortunate, perhaps, than you. Our family was dysfunctional in its own unique ways, as the saying goes. So i don’t have many good memories. Dad’s love of cars and me passing him tools as he serviced them was one of the very few.
It sounds to me that you were blessed with a sound upbringing and at least one in which there probably was role models all around you. I loved the tale which explained why so many of those top level Mercedes ended up in Sydney.
The cartoon image that we in Britain have had inserted into our heads about Australia & Australians tended to steer far away from the big bucks. Of course, in most developed nations, there is one or more really successful business areas. In your neck of the woods, it sounds like there were plenty such people not too far from you.
You’ve created an image in my head of a prosperous city in a truly blessed part of the world, during what may come to be more widely known as “peak civilisation”.
I was born ten years too late to be there in that last hurrah.
The descent from then & there to the dreadful situation we’re now in upsets me greatly, more for my young adult children’s’ lives than my own.
Once again, thank you 😊
Great memories! Thanks for sharing. Regards
Ace. Talk about stand out from the crowd. Great video as always.
Your 928 gets better and better. 😊😊😊
Another great video, Gary. Thanks
Also caught you on the TV with Vera 😆
I fell out of my chair.
There's no end to your talent.
Cheers Eric from Adelaide, South Australia
Ha ha!! Thanks Eric!
John reminds me of my Rolls Royce mechanic who worked at our RR dealership for 42 years! I so enjoy hearing him talk about those years when the Cloud, Shadow, Spurs were new! I trust him 100% as you do John! We are extraordinarily lucky to have awesome friends! As subscribers, we very fortunate to have your channel!
Really appreciated! There are some great episodes on the way! Regards.
I absolutely adore that car… please keep it and do more films on it… pleaaaasssseeeee😊
You make it look so easy Gary and without the infamous Porsche tax.
Great video Gary, that 928 is a great car!!
The most relaxing 928 content on youtube, thanks Gary for another great instalment. I had a good look at your 928 at the NEC last weekend, I haven't seen one in the metal for quite a while and seeing yours has cemented my intention to buy one as soon as one of my other cars sells. (I bought several 928 books at the NEC!). I was thirteen when the 928 first appeared and saw a metallic gold one with a pascha interior in West London for the first time, it looked like it had just landed from another planet and I've loved them ever since. I've got my eye on a few early Ss at the moment (I prefer the rear lights on the early cars) so fingers crossed I'll be able to bag one soon. Looking forward to more updates on the 928.
mine may be for sale soon. As much as I love the car, I need to make way for new content for the coming year. Thanks for your comments. regards.
Wonderful car to take on such a lovely drive.
Loved this. As an owner of a 928s that is being renovated I love watching your show, especially when you are working on that lovely 928. Mine should be ready for first use in 5 years over the next few weeks, very excited
Strange that they replaced the timing belt but not the other belts…😮 great episode, thanks!
Love these cars ❤
Gary, found your channel very recently and have been gorging myself on your other videos. Love your attention and care to detail.
Thank you!
This was a fine video, transitioning from all the step-by-step mechanical work to motoring enjoyment and to related events with 'car people.'
Wow Gary, Tom has been such a dilgent guy in his meticulous looking after his cars and you have benefitted from this as the new owner of this one. Well done him! Wow that's a huge oil filter - all the best for doing the best job! Great investment in terms of time and safety - that device is far safer than those little spring compressors. And well done Machine Mart. Regarding the speeding ticket... fair to say, they just don't understand!
I actually owned one of these. Fabulous car, way ahead of its time. I’d love another. Thanks for reigniting the aging memory bank!
Good info! You sound like Mr. Rogers especially with the music.
Great episode Gary.I always get inspired to get on cracking with my classic cars. Car guys just speak a special language. Cars are healthier than drugs and cheaper that therapy. Well done indeed.
Top Tip Gary
Rubber backed bath mats for over the fenders
Matching pair as well 👌🏼
Don’t we all love Machine Mart - big boy’s toy shop. Great video as usual Gary.
Love it. Like a grotto!!
I bought an '88 928 S4 back in 2007 or so. When the transporter backed it off of the truck and I got inside for the first time I was promptly greeted with the timing belt tension warning light. Wonderful. Much to my surprise, the timing belt job was not that big of deal.
My accessory belts also looked to be worse for wear as yours did but my timing belt (factory Porsche) looked just as perfect as yours. One of the accessory belts had "Oct '98" faintly visible on it. Further research pointed to the fact that all the belts were last done nine years ago. Had I just eyeballed the timing belt I would have assumed it was new because the markings looked great but it was in fact quite old. I definitely wasn't feeling like playing timing belt roulette with a 928 V8 because I rarely win in those sorts of show-downs. My timing belt tension light turned out to be and electrical issue... not too surprising for a Shark.
I'm sure you'd rather not do yours but I bet it's just as old as those worn accessory belts you removed. Are you feeling lucky? You've certainly tackled worse. ;-)
Another great video Gary, great to meet you and see the 928 on Saturday at the Tribal Grüppe meet. I’ve always loved these cars despite having one catch fire on me 35 years ago! Maybe it should be my next purchase as I’m looking for a classic.
It’s a fine example!
If i had to make an educated guess, i would say the cambelt service including water pump was probably the last and most recent service Tom had done before he put the car up for good. He probably lost the paperwork or had the job done by a Porsche tech on the side hence no records. It would also explain the missing airtube since at that point was not as accountable as he was at a younger age.
Gary has an amazing eye since he caught the misaligned cover due to the wrong bolt being used during reassembly during the cam inspection. Nothing slips by the master. 😊
He owned the Lou’s I purchased off him since new. Can’t find a spec of paperwork on it even though he’s the most fastidious and meticulous gentleman I’ve ever met! All will turn up eventually!! Regards
Lotus
Wow, great episode all the trimmings, Thanks.
Another excellent relaxing and soothing to watch episode Gary, your 928 is such a cool car, I do hope you’re going to hold onto that car for a good while, will appreciate in value whilst enjoying the car
Thanks Spence!
Superb video Gary must go down as one of your best, thoroughly enjoyed it. Thank you.
What a delight seing you guys working in that car.
Another great episode and that classic encounter what a piece of mind gavs it to me to see all that cara and the quitness of the place
Thank you Gary
Pleasure Pedro!
Great video's mate, keep 'em coming.
Thank you for sharing Gary. I always love how meticulous you are when working on all these amazing vehicles. The Porsche 928 has always been a favorite of mine among many others. Love what you do and look forward to your next video. 👌👍
Thankyou!
Unknown last cambelt change is always a nagging doubt and its impossible to not fret about it letting go when you give it gas. I just did the belt, pulleys and pump on my Lotus M100. The old one looked fine after 6 years but i can rest easy now. Proper brute of a job too.
I didn’t drive it for a whole year as I had no paperwork you confirm. Still haven’t but that belt and cam pulleys where brand new! Take my word for it. I would spend a grand on the kit just to shy out of it. Regards
Great car in the day I had a petrol blue one in manual - ❤
Your making a lovely job refining the basis of a good car 👍
..and with the Blaupunkt Toronto! (Now again available new with usb/bluetooth support instead of tape😂)
Yes.. before Made in Germany 🇩🇪
but unfortunately the new ones are Made in China. 🇨🇳 😔 so will self destruct in 2 years as per usual with Chinese build quality.
Genuine Porsche bath-mats in German racing white 😊
Fast becoming my favourite channel. Thanks Dude!
Great episode Gary. I was looking forward to see you working on the 928 GT and thoroughly enjoyed it.
Thanks Vince!
Gary will you please release these videos for after 5pm so we can watch them after work while we are eating our dinner..😊
Well done Gary, great video
I love my 928, they are such nice GT cars
What a machine, a sure fire classic 👍
Beautiful
Another great video mate , i really enjoy your channel and style of presentation, i remember doing the valve cover and breather cover gaskets on my sl500 m113 , had to buy one of those small torque wrenches, 6nm and 4nm torque settings which is virtually nothing, very important on aluminum engines, i actually back in liverpool for a few days walked past your mums yesterday seen your mercedes estate up the drive getting something done to the front offside suspension or brakes , great job on the porsche mate absolutely beautiful car
Hi Peter. The Mercedes estate is my brother Neil’s. He lives there now since my parents passed away.he loved mine so much he bought one!!
@@classic.obsession I thought it was yours, I do i like the older mercs ( not a fan of the newer ones or most new cars come to that , apart from the jaguar xf sport break but that's another story) and estate cars are really handy, I used to have a b5 passat estate it was a 20v turbo sport kept it for about 10 years
Another top video Gary with top tech John who knows his stuff mixed in with some great car trade stories on the Liverpool Merc scene ,928 and motor hub stuff.Also always great to see the machine mart gear which got me going on the car restoration game 40 years ago with the E type stuff ,nicely topped off with a bit of Southport classic car action,thanks again ,keep em going .
Brilliant video once again, cheers!
Informative and entertaining
Love 928s
Those wing protectors look like your Mrs bathroom throw outs. 😂
Always enjoy the content of your posts Gary.
Interesting to hear your thoughts about Bosch parts.
My E63 recently received 8 new plugs from Mercedes, Bosch ones, as NGK equivalents have a different thread. Bosch electrodes all face the same/right way when torqued, NGK ones face a different way apparently causing the valves to possibly burn out.
Interesting fact, how much truth is in it I don't know, but Mercedes did supply a diagram!
Keep up the good work Gary 👍
Great episode Gary fantastic content, very informative. Love how the car just slotted in with the rest of them at that car meet. Keep up the good work mate.
Definatley 2 heads are better than one , i'm guilty off putting back the wrong bolts when rebuilding stripped down cars for bodywork . A bit less important than mechanical work , i remember doing a Astom Martin Superleggera 2019 rear defusser strip down and replace and every 8mm bolts had to go back probably 60 nuts ffs but i did took me ages . Great vid Gary
That spring compressor is a great idea. Worth every penny I'm sure and will pay for itself over time. I did mine with the claw type threaded rod compressors. Difficult and dangerous.
Lovely and rare Porsche, and I don’t know of any place on the planet more beautiful than the English countryside.
Fantastic Video as always Gary something for everyone from the tech to the social enjoyment of owning a classic. Will you be featuring dear Tom I'm sure he would enjoy a drive out and see his former car in it's new glory.
Yes. Bring planned as we speak! Regards
Well worth the wait. Thanks again
Great to see a GT coming back to life! I notice the "check engine" light is on. Could be a knock or Hall sensor issue - not uncommon as the engine compartment is a hot place and wiring on an 25 year old car doesn't hold up well.
Hi Joe. No, I think it’s the tyre pressure sensor gauge but I stand to be corrected. Regards.
The sun is out and this video just dropped. Bliss.
When is the Bradbury lift coming mate🤔😉 that would be nice😊I’ve done a bit of struggling under cars in my time🙄. Thanks for the great videos Gary 😊
I’ll have a freebie if it’s on offer?!! Regards
I love the 928 and this one looks totally mint. Wonderful.
It really it fabulous! Regards
Excellent video Gary and car is looking great 🚗🚙🚘👍👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Beautiful!!
Fabulous video , cheers .
Interesting conversation you had on differences in parts from different manufacturers of parts . Once had a Fiat 132 1800 ES ( miss her loads! ) , the points could be , Bosch , Marelli , or Ducellier , depending on availability from factory I guess, my points had a small hole. Tried Intermotor equivalent, car would not start , careful inspection showed the return foil spring touched the body of points preventing spark. Put my old ones back in , she flicked over first time. I found Intermotor ok for British cars I had when I first started driving , no issues at all , but ever so slight differences with foreign cars I’ve had since.
Yes. Intermotor were fine on my old straight six Merc’s but condensers were hit and miss. Regards.
Talking to bloody much in the midst of working but Gary always has his eye and mind on matters.. Cheers! 👍
Bloody Fantastic Gary - think we've all been waiting with great interest for that episode ! The Porsche looks and sounds wonderful - big applause to you ! Was great to hear you and John exchanging stories - I know what you mean about having a bit of company now and again when working on the motor too :-) Really enjoyed that episode Pal ! Cheers Stew
I've been waiting for this episode, Gary. Not what I expected. I thought that young lady from a previous episode had offered to help with this job? Well, a lot of work saved, and I guess all the parts you got in the States can wait until the next time this job needs doing. Very strange that a major cam belt change wasn't recorded. Lovely car.
I know. She was just too busy. Would’ve been great. Regards.
Awesome !
If only you had a video to refer back to on what bolt goes where :)
Gary, a Carfax will usually show services, especially ones done at dealerships or specialists
Thanks. Good point! Regards
Couldn’t think of anything worse going to meet a load of 911 boys looking down at all the other models .
But how could they look down on this spaceship in the sky?!! Regards
Cant believe Porsche didnt replace all belts
I think they’ve just perished with the weather but the Cambelt is enclosed and protected behind the covers I think. Regards
CLASS :)
💚Machine Mart
Hey Gary, those tubes are not for fresh air to the cabin. They are a direct flow straight to the air filter and then into the MAF and throttle body.
Thankyou!
The early ones had a belt drive dizzy
Like the Bentley turbos?
IMHO the S4GT was the best 928 they produced
Such a good episode Gary. Getting the perishables up to date should see the 928 run like a Rolex for a few years. Solid state relays are a good upgrade as using her could see them fail. Now you have the ultimate GT maybe a road trip to Le Mans classic or Monaco Classic. Was you earlier 924 a 2 L or a 2.5 S?
Thanks John. The 924 was a two litre. Love the driving position, where the gear-lever is situated and above all the none interference engine. Very underrated! Regards.
BOOM 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I bought my first 928 from its original owner, low miles, always serviced. Had a Porsche factory trained tech replace the belts. He pulled the covers but did not replace the belt because he said the belt looked brand new based on the printing. Two weeks later after daily driving the belt snapped. Huge mess to get fixed and this was only on a 16v engine that was non-interference. I would not gamble on a visual inspection of a 928 timing belt.
I take what you say. Things such as this do cross my mind. I suppose it’s the gamble really if there’s no definitive paperwork. Regards.
It isn't just wear to think about. Age should also be considered!
Of course! Regards
Spotted a 91 GT .. shame I don't have more room at home.. though it's a Red on Black in a dog leg.... and I don't think my work would want me to have such a car as my business vehicle lol.
I’ll have to get used to that dog leg first!! I’ve almost reversed into a few cars!!
It is possible the specialist used genuine Porsche parts
Or the Porsche mechanic did it as a “foreigner” on the side using parts from the dealer……
I did mine myself and used a genuine belt. Definitely not a sign of a dealer doing it as you point out.
Yes. Absolutely!
Great result on the dry ice cleaning. Any recommendations for this service in the Liverpool area?
No but they’ll be glad to come to you. Really helpful guys. Regards
If you don't need the 928 Belt kit I'll buy it from you!
Sure. Still sitting in its packaging. Just message me on maversclassicobsession@gmail.com
Cheers Baz.
Well that doesn’t look much like Bootle !
Although the cam belt etc look brand new, it's really important to check it's age - they time expire and can fail despite appearing new. if you don't know when it was replaced it's likely a false economy not to change it.
The hand in your pocket thing is the least stupid part
Crazey not to put cambelt kit on while you were nearly there. Would always be a niggle in the back of my mine how old the belt is. Still love the videos and you do all your own work.
Hey great idea to clean up the engine bay before starting the work, its horrible when all your sockets and wrenches get covered in grease & grime!
Do you own a genuine 928 Car cover? I recently won one of ebay for my S4 and am blown away by the fitment quality and softness of it. Just a thought, they are 380 quid from Porsche, but I go an unused 2nd hand one off ebay for 125.
Would you be selling the bits purchased from Roger? Or saving them for future?
Wanna buy them?
@@classic.obsession yer I need to do the water pump at some point would would you want for them?
Hi Gary
Maybe you can contact the dealership where the 928 was mainly serviced
And ask them if they have a date or record of when the belt was replaced.
Just a thought….
Hi Pete. Yes, I did and the last record of the belt change was 2007. So no joy there. When I enquired as to why they had never suggested a change of it, their reply was ‘we only do what the customer asks!!’ Have you ever heard anything so rediculous?!! From past experience, most dealerships will try and pile as much work on as they can get away with. Needed or not. It’s all about a quick turnaround and maximum profit with trickier jobs being farmed out the back door to reputable garages. I’ll keep trying to get to the bottom of things. Regards.
@@classic.obsession
Great content Gary.
Good to see your subscribers numbers
Increasing. People like genuine content with genuine presenters we all don’t want
To see expensive builds with unattainable
Cars. Keep it up Cheers.
37:02 what is the red warning light on there? isnt that where the headlight light is?
Tire pressure sensors
You generally do good work, and yes, the cam belt looks good, you have no record of where or when the belt was last replaced. You had done half the work required to remove cam belt. Best practice would be to replace. Then you, and next owner would know. Rubber, and the reinforcement will perish, even if looks okay, obviously your car, your choice. Man and boy mechanic.
Keith I made a decision that I’m happy with. You’ll agree I’m far from lazy!! I even have the full kit purchased and sitting in my garage. It’s definitely been done in my mind and meticulously but if it goes bang in the near future what a great episode it would make!! Regards
Dry ice cleaning, cleans the parts you can see, but what about the rest?
Are you going to show the Porsche to Tom?
Yes