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Hi, I would be interested in a debunking of the claim that the cult of dionysus parallels the martyrdom of the Christian church and the myth of dionysus is that basis for Christ's death resurrection and the miracle at the wedding. I have faced this particular claim, and I know it's pretty niche... but a few atheists I know find this idea quite fashionable and I would like to see a through debunking of such flimsy connections
I have a coworker, atheist, who gets so excited trying to tell Christians how these holidays are "just fake pagan holidays" as if it is some discredit to Christianity. His arguments are so dumb it almost isn't even worth addressing lol if it were not for the fact that he tries to use it as a way to weaken the faith of Christians.
The Adventist use all the Atheists arguments *to falsely accuse their neighbor,* while telling everyone in the entire world how they keep the 10 commandments.
@@joshuamelton9148 dear brother I am sorry but it is pagan...I am an ex witch 😢 and before I was born again and saved I was a pagan...but praise God He rescued me...Easter is a pagan holiday to fertility gods (idols)
@@By.His.Spirit. I sorry but you are incorrect with Easter being pagan. I looked at the primary sources to know that Easter did not come from paganism. No Ishtar, Estore etc. There is an Atheist youtuber called History For Atheists that did a video asking the Question is Easter is pagan? The answer is NO. He used primary sources for back his claim. It is ironic that an Atheist who doesn't believe in God, is operating in truth than believers in Jesus Christ who parrot that Easter is pagan without doing any research using Primary sources. It is a sad indictment on Christians. Here is the video before. ruclips.net/video/YJq70tf0AsY/видео.html
I am a fellow Christian. I grew up doing these celebrations in my childhood. I’m not trying to cast stones at anyone, but I had to ask myself this and I believe that any believer should ask themselves the same thing. Do any of these activities during these holidays, have anything to do with Christ from the Bible? What does the bunny and coloring eggs and hiding them and having the children go find them have to do with the crucifixion, burial, and resurrection? What does Santa, the reindeer and presents and decorations have to do with Jesus’s birth? Again I share this with love. It was hard for me to answer these questions when I was brought up doing these very things. Can anyone honestly say that when they partake in these things, their hearts and minds are on the lord and what he’s done for us? In everything we do, we should do it for the glory of God Almighty. Do these things glorify God? Do they align with what His word says? Pray on it and search the scriptures of what he says.
@@BibleLovingLutheran look up the verse in the Bible about cutting down a live tree and bringing it into your home. Look up the roots of mistletoe, hanging a wreath on your door. You tell him to show proof, show me where in the Bible does it say to partake in these things. What does it say about the ways of the heathens? Search the Bible. You have to seek the truth from the word.
As an ex-HR person I can say we had a fear of sinning and were convinced these things were pagan and would incur God's wrath. Slowly God started showing me how its not actually pagan though. Now that I'm out and on the other side I'm thinking its a slander campaign of the enemy, this pagan accusation. The fruit is division, hate, pride, fear to name a few. And I find it note worthy that in 7 years in HR while everyone is obsessed with the feasts, they breeze right past firstfruits(the feast foreshadowing the resurrection) and only "keep" 6/7. Why wouldnt they want to celebrate Jesus' ressurrection, the most important thing in our faith! Satan just wants to steal kill and destroy so he put this pagan thing out there, which btw, atheists loveeeee to throw at Christians. Satan wants to steal Jesus' celebrations and so much more. Praise God for his mercy and patience with us to bring us out! We feel free now! Happy Easter!
Michael has got to be one of my favorite RUclips creators- Christian or non-Christian. He has helped me create a great hunger for history, and context for the times/culture of questions I have in my faith and the world around me.
Great interview. People in the comments seem to be confused that just because Michael is debunking the myths that these holidays are pagan in origin he is not claiming they are Biblical, or godly. Every Christian has to make their own decision on if and how to handle these days and traditions.
I think those are all good points in this episode. When is comes to the topic of Halloween my family just chooses not to participate. It’s how I was raised. Not because I’m afraid of celebrating the devil or I think God will be upset, it’s simply I just don’t see what it is we are actually celebrating. Easter yes, Christmas yes. 😊 I’m not catholic. But even if your not, I know many that still celebrate it and that’s completely fine. I think my own conviction and feelings is that it’s just a holiday to celebrate fear now or the emphasis on fear. I know many people who don’t do the “scary” part or dress in nicer things and that’s fine. My family just chooses not to and we have a fun family night at home with games. I never felt like I missed out. But again, everyone can celebrate how they want. No judgement here. 😊
Easter is a pagan holiday. It celebrates the Fertility Goddess. Yes, a sexual goddess is connected with Jesus In the world. WHY. 1 JOHN 5:19 - ......the whole world lies in the power of the wicked One. ( Satan the Devil) millions of demons. God created the world, but Satan rules the world. GOD says: BE NO PART OF THE WORLD. MEN ARE STEEPED IN TRADITION..... TRADITIONS OF THE WORLD. THIS ISNT A JW THING. GO TO LIBRARY, RESEARCH. WHY ARE RABBITS AND EGGS ON EASTER??? RABBITS ARE KNOWN FOR FERTILITY AT POINT IT WAS ONLY WAY TO SEE IF A WOMAN WAS PREGNANT. EGGS- WOMEN CARRY THE EGGS, MEN THE SPERM. ITS COMMON SENSE. EASTER IS NOT IN BIBLE. NOWHERE DOES GOD SAY TO REMEMBER HIS SON IS RABBITS AND EGGS. VERY DEROGATORY. THESE MEN ARE BLINDED. JWS CAN SIT AROUND AND CALL THESE MEN IDIOTS, FOOLS, IGNORANT, BLINDED..... BUT THEY DONT..... NOT WORTH THEIR TIME RUNNING PEOPLE DOWN.... THEY MOVE ON.....ITS FREEDOM TO BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT GOD DRAWS PEOPLE. HUMANS ARE SELFISH AND REBELLIOUS THEY DONT WANT TO FACE THINGS THEY ARE STEEPED IN MANS TRADITIONS THEY DONT WANT TO SEE TRUTH. SO THATS COOL
At the end of the day I feel like people who want to keep these holidays so badly should ask themselves, “why is it so important to me to defend secular holidays that have nothing to do with God?” People spend more time trying to prove why it’s okay to celebrate these longstanding traditions of men, instead of focusing on Christ and evangelizing the lost. Wether you want to admit the pagan origins or not, it makes no difference. The Easter Bunny and decorating eggs and binge eating candy has nothing to do with Jesus. Santa Claus and hanging stockings and decorating a tree has nothing to do with Jesus. Buying your significant other a heart shaped box with chocolates and roses and going to an expensive dinner has nothing to do with Jesus. Wearing green and indulging in revelry and carousing has nothing to do with Jesus. Dressing up as a character, most of which are intended to implement fear and watching horror movies and binge eating candy also have nothing to do with Jesus. The list goes on. Where is God’s presence in any of these things? Where is reverence, awe and obedience to our creator in any of these traditions? The Bible calls us to *come apart from the world and be separate,* not come up with a bunch of excuses to stay joined to it.
I believe we are in the 2nd Exodus as we, "come out of her My people"! 😃 Babylon is the world, and it's systems. Being set apart, and called out means pleasing God rather than people. (Keeping His Feasts which bless, and glorify Him, are so revelatory, and such a joy! Spending His Holy days getting to know Him, and learning when,what, and how reveals why and vice-versa!!! So awesome!!! I look forward to and enjoy getting understanding as it is given, HalleluYAH! I can only share what He Is doing in me, and what I've learned. On the flipside, the traditions of man are not of God. The Most High gave us holydays, and feasts, with purpose, rooted in The Truth, past, present, and future, to help us to know Him!😀 The traditions of paganism date back long before Jesus walked this physical plane, and although sometimes nostalgic, fun and seemingly innocent, these worldly holidays have twisted, dark, disgusting,🤢🤮 and underlying deceptions, that you will never hear of, from the mainstream social engineers, on every form of media programming that is crammed into our our fluoridated, ignorant, subconscious... we have been initiated for the dark side from birth, and it's time to break the cycle HalleluYAH I Trust Him because He Is Worthy!!! WHOLY, HOLY, AMAZING!!! The Passover Lamb Of God!!! That title is SO rightfully His!!!
Amen! HalleluYAH! May the Roman rooted leaven of the Pharisees, false teachings and golden calves be removed and we be filled with the leaven of heaven
If a Muslim challenged me to "look it up on Google" to learn the true origin of Easter, I would ask him if everything you find about Islam and Muhammad through Google is true.
Easter is the early Catholic whitewashing of Ishtar in order to appease the pagans that were strongly encouraged to join the church. The pagans didn't want to stop having their traditional festivals. Same thing with Christmas..they christianized saturnalia and yule and called it Christmas. Imo, celebrating the commercialized pagan holidays is a poke in the eye of Christ Jesus. It takes the focus off of Him, instead we gullibly honor an ancient spirit, likely nephilim, by practicing their rituals. Is it an unforgivable sin? No it's not. Will you lose your salvation simply by engaging in it? No you won't. For me, I don't anymore bc God has convicted me not to. What other followers of Christ are between them and God. No judgement here. An excellent scholarly resource is 'The Genesis 6 Conspiracy' by Gary Wayne.
My problem with the bunnies/eggs associated with Easter is that it has increasingly distracted from the central meaning and figure of Easter.......Jesus Christ.
Love that IP points out how Jesus also celebrated holidays not directly placed in the bible. Debunks the legalists arguments right in their face . Great podcast, can’t wait for part 2
Deuteronomy 18:9 “When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations.
@Randall Moore Problem is Easter is Not pagan. Easter was never a Christian pagan holiday to begin with. The youtube channel History For Atheists actually debunks alot of the faulty claims of Easter being pagan. Own his website he calls out his fellow Atheists who are supposed to be questioning everything but when it comes to this, they parrot the talking points of Easter being pagan without questioning it. The video below debunks the claim that Easter is pagan. ruclips.net/video/YJq70tf0AsY/видео.html
It’s not celebrating Christ’s resurrection or conquering of death and taking all of our sins with him to make us clothed in white/redeemed. EASTER IS A PAGAN MANS HOLIDAY…not God’s HOLY DAY.
@@benjantzen8910 Incorrect. An Atheist youtuber debunk the whole Easter is pagan/it came from pagans. Here is the video below. ruclips.net/video/YJq70tf0AsY/видео.html
@@benjantzen8910 perhaps you will or won’t celebrate something else this upcoming weekend - but myself and every other Christian I know is celebrating the resurrection of Jesus Christ this weekend.
I think of biblical fundamentalism as something to embrace... If any man loves this world, or the things of this world, the love of the father is not in him.
Another reason why they try to discredit God's holidays is that they want our life secular without any holy things, without Eucharist and without remembrance of Jesus
I'm surprised Justin Martyr's defense against accusations of Christianity taking from earlier pagans, such as Egyptian, Zoroastrian, didn't come up. Justin first debunked some of the similarities, but ultimately argued that Satan inspired those pagan beliefs as copies of Christ he knew was to come, to try and discredit Christianity as Justin was responding to. Which I've always thought was an absolutely brilliant response 😄
Former JW here (as of 2.5 yrs ago) and I remember our literature quoting The Two Babylons a lot and I didn't even know the idea of "primary sources". After I was saved and these holidays rolled around I was pretty uncomfortable about getting into them much. It took over a year of prayer and research to understand that I had freedom in Christ in this regard and that what I had been taught were flimsy myths to control the narrative and me.
Welcome to God's grace Rita! My husband was raised JW, the rest of his family still is. I always rejoice to see someone who's been saved from JW deception. I pray one day his family will be saved as you have been. God bless!
You can celebrate as long as you don’t put the commercialism over the REASON of each season. Every month the Hebrews had celebrations and festivals.. they were their own. We still celebrate Easter around Passover, observe Christmas from the birth.
@Randall Moore Because the Bible consistently considers keeping holidays as a non-issue. She doesn't need to worry about it affecting her walk with Christ.
Gives you opportunities to spread the message to others. If as parents you completely put holidays and and decorations before GOD. Then that's the issue. As for me and my house hold we will serve the LORD. But if you have family or friends that celebrate this "Easter " Sunday ok well we as Christians should understand that GOD is our first love. And again gives us opportunities to spread and let GODS WORD light others. Ask yourself...even if you did not celebrate holidays. Are you perfect now?? Of course not, not even close. Stop worrying and start praying. Sit with others and fellowship and use the opportunity to plant the gospel in other's. 🙌🏽
Man, the comments are just sad. There is so much pride and arrogance coming from some. One side is completely unwilling to hear the other and just wants to divide.
Ezekiel 8 Berean Standard Bible The Vision of Idolatry in the Temple 1In the sixth year, on the fifth day of the sixth month, I was sitting in my house, and the elders of Judah were sitting before me; and there the hand of the Lord GOD fell upon me. 2Then I looked and saw a figure like that of a man. From His waist down His appearance was like fire, and from His waist up He was as bright as the gleam of amber.a 3He stretched out what looked like a hand and took me by the hair of my head. Then the Spirit lifted me up between earth and heaven and carried me in visions of God to Jerusalem, to the entrance of the north gate of the inner court, where the idol that provokes jealousy was seated. 4And there I saw the glory of the God of Israel, like the vision I had seen in the plain. 5“Son of man,” He said to me, “now lift up your eyes to the north.” So I lifted up my eyes to the north, and in the entrance north of the Altar Gateb I saw this idol of jealousy. 6“Son of man,” He said to me, “do you see what they are doing-the great abominations that the house of Israel is committing-to drive Me far from My sanctuary? Yet you will see even greater abominations.” 7Then He brought me to the entrance to the court, and I looked and saw a hole in the wall. 8“Son of man,” He told me, “dig through the wall.” So I dug through the wall and discovered a doorway. 9Then He said to me, “Go in and see the wicked abominations they are committing here.” 10So I went in and looked, and engraved all around the wall was every kind of crawling creature and detestable beast, along with all the idols of the house of Israel. 11Before them stood seventy elders of the house of Israel, with Jaazaniah son of Shaphan standing among them. Each had a censer in his hand, and a fragrant cloud of incense was rising. 12“Son of man,” He said to me, “do you see what the elders of the house of Israel are doing in the darkness, each at the shrine of his own idol? For they are saying, ‘The LORD does not see us; the LORD has forsaken the land.’ ” 13Again, He told me, “You will see them committing even greater abominations.” 14Then He brought me to the entrance of the north gate of the house of the LORD, and I saw women sitting there, weeping for Tammuz.c 15“Son of man,” He said to me, “do you see this? Yet you will see even greater abominations than these.” 16So He brought me to the inner court of the house of the LORD, and there at the entrance to the temple of the LORD, between the portico and the altar, were about twenty-five men with their backs to the temple of the LORD and their faces toward the east; and they were bowing to the east in worship of the sun. 17“Son of man,” He said to me, “do you see this? Is it not enough for the house of Judah to commit the abominations they are practicing here, that they must also fill the land with violence and continually provoke Me to anger? Look, they are even putting the branch to their nose! 18Therefore I will respond with wrath. I will not look on them with pity, nor will I spare them. Although they shout loudly in My ears, I will not listen to them.”
Just finished watching Dr. John Barnett's message "WATCH OUT--THE FINAL GLOBAL RELIGION OF SATAN IS FORMING ALL AROUND YOU TODAY!" It is a condensed 45 minute summary of what he taught on church history from a 14 hour seminary lecture series and takes an opposite view of what is being taught here on Cultish. In order to understand the pagan roots one must be both familiar with the historical biblical and early church references on the subject, such as Jeremiah 44 "The queen of heaven" and the Babylonian practices before the church, before Constantine and after the legalization of a paganized form of Christianity. When preparing to witness to Roman Catholic acquaintances I first came across this information, and having attended a funeral mass when one of my Roman Catholic (RCC) acquaintances passed away unexpectedly, it was eye opening to see the pagan influence in practice. Over the years I have been to many funeral services of believers and felt the victory of the cross even in death, but in the Roman Catholic funeral it was the exact opposite. I have never been to such a sad affair and my spirit felt oppressed in that place. At the memorial reception after the service, one of my other RCC acquaintances and his wife were telling me about her trip to see the apparition of the virgin Mary. They pray to her instead of Jesus, she is their intercessor. Mary is prominently depicted at the front of the RCC sanctuary above a large statutory crucifix. It was frightening to see and experience this pagan ritual and I don’t think protestants (or reformed if you prefer) church goers have any idea how bad it is in the RCC church, and some of the influences that were carried over into our own practice of the faith. There is a little more reformation left to be done!
*COMING TODAY TO A CHURCH NEAR YOU!!* This Friday is *the day of Preparation, for the weekly Sabbath and we and the entire world will be remined at length as we read the scriptures, that *the Sabbath keepers, rejected, betrayed, mocked, scourged and Crucified Christ, the Lord of the Sabbath.* Then on the Sabbath day, his body laid dead in the tomb waiting for the *3rd day when Christ would be raised and shown to be both Lord and God.* *This Sunday Adventists and their like will find themselves too holy to celebrate the resurrection of Christ* when the disciples all gathered together and *rejoiced and WORSHIPED Christ as Christ commanded them on the day of his resurrection.* There won't be any praise to God for Christ's salvation, *dead silence, empty churches and holier than thou,* will be fully set in their hearts just like the Pharisees after they murdered Christ. . The same will be true for PENTECOST SUNDAY. They will be all smug, at home and alone,
On the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do You want us to prepare the Passover so You may eat it? ” “Go into the city to a certain man,” He said, “and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My time is near; I am celebrating the Passover at your place with My disciples.’ ” So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover. Matthew 26:17-19 HCSB OH LOOK JESUS Celebrated PASSOVER NOT EASTER! I'm not saying celebrating Passover EARNS salvation but since it's what my savoir did I'll do that instead of some pagan rituals, not MATTER WHAT CENTURY THEYRE FROM, man that argument was WEAK SAUCE!
So much of what is said in this video reminds me of the arguments against Christians doing yoga. While I fully acknowledge that yoga *CAN* lead an unsaved person or someone less mature in their faith down a dark path, how is a Bible-believing, born-again Christian doing non-spiritual yoga for exercise some terrible, dangerous thing? I am rock-solid in my faith, so I can’t accidentally worship some false god. The devil does not own a particular pose that I might get into. Like, really? Is my God so small that He is threatened by downward facing dog? Even though my kids do that pose all the time without having any idea it’s a yoga pose? The only time yoga is dangerous for a solid Christian is when we allow legalists to make us afraid of things that God has already defeated and/or is fully capable of redeeming.
Any thoughts or rebuttal for what is stated in the Encyclopedia Brittanica about Easter? They site modern day scholars but no historical documents. That Encyclopedia is not tiktok and often considered a reliable source.
Not disputing the info necessarily, but I will say a primary source isn't just one that is "close" to the times of the info. It's first hand accounts from people who were witnesses, alive at the time. Not just the earliest writings about the material. Those would be early secondary sources
It’s similar to how the “gays” have claimed the rainbow. Rainbows are beautiful and are made by GOD showing us his promise. But now if you have a rainbow sticker on your car or even on a Christian book, people will assume it’s representative of theLGBTQ. Soon folks will say the rainbow is pagan for the gays. I can imagine that there are some things that just grow and grow until you can hardly find the true origin. Ask any young person what the rainbow means and 9 times out of ten they’ll say it’s for the lgbtq.
The chat is wild and full of legalists. One actually claims Jews don't celebrate Easter like he didn't even listen to your proof. Or history or the Bible. Amazing. We're doomed with this generation. Thank you for this video. God bless you guys.
Easter is not Passover, although they occur around the same time every year. Also the Jews don't believe in Jesus Christ as savior. They have a strong dislike for Him. There is no way that religious Jews would celebrate Easter
I prayed for discernment on this very issue last night and then saw this video in my Recommended this morning. Great video, but I have some questions in its further application: At 23:00, Michael talks about the pattern in the Bible of Jews and Christians claiming things for God. I'm curious how Michael's reasoning can be applied to something like Bill Johnson of Bethel's claims that Christians should be "reclaiming" the truths of God that New Age practices have 'taken' (it's borderline gnosticism). In Johnson's thinking, we can waltz blatantly into something un-Christian, learn of its practices, and then somehow apply it in the worship of our God. Johnson says God will protect us from such demonic things when immersing ourselves in these New Age practices because 'we have a Spirit of victory.' How does Michael's use of 1 Cor. 8 fit in with this (15:13)? Can it even be applied? Is there a categorical difference between the two given Michael's historical research in holidays and church history? What I'm also curious about is how Michael's sound reasoning can apply to worship music that comes out of heretical churches: Bethel, Elevation, and Hillsong, etc. Some theologians have claimed that the music is being written to a different god (these churches preach modalism, "little gods," New Age syncretism, etc.). I've heard Deuteronomy 12:29 quoted as a justification given this claim as to why it shouldn't be used as praise worship to our God. Does Michael's argument still hold up regarding this? How is this case different?
I had the same thoughts because I just finished watching the videos on bethel church. I wish there had been an answer to these questions in the comments.
Genesis specifically says that God created the sun, moon, and stars for signs of seasons, days, and years. God created the science of astronomy for man.
@Randall Moore i would more on this because I know people, Christians, engaging in astrology as well and i just don't know how to explain that they both don't go together
@Randall Moore I think we need to be careful with throwing the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to some of these “pagan or New Age“ things. Astrology, the lower vibration, cymatics, Leylines, earth grid, etc.. This is all a part of God‘s creation and creation is good. I don’t understand why God would create something in the heavens, like the zodiac, if man wasn’t intended to use it. the problem comes one man trust these tools more than God or trust themselves more than God. Not the tools them self.
Is the holiday Easter of pagan origin. The answer is No and never has been. The youtuber History for Atheists did a youtube video debuking Easter being of Pagan origins. Its ironic that an Atheist is a better apologist for Easter than some Christians. Here is the video below ruclips.net/video/YJq70tf0AsY/видео.html
The Sabbath keepers betrayed and murdered Christ on the "Preparation Day" for the weekly Sabbath. Yeah, they all went home and rested from their evil works which they had done. And, then proclaimed how holy they were by keeping the Sabbath, after murdering the Lord of the Sabbath. And, you all are worried about "Paganism" instead of self-righteous Sabbath keeping murderers and haters of Christ.
Polycarp and Polycrates kept Passover. Polycrates was oversaw Ephesus. The Bible clearly states that the Passover was to be held on the 14th day of the first month of the Hebrew calendar (Leviticus 23:5), and Polycarp believed Christians should continue to observe the Passover on that date. He did not accept what would later become the Good Friday-Easter Sunday tradition. Eusebius further wrote that Polycarp held to his beliefs (Ecclesiastical History, Book 5, chap. 24):
It is interesting that Ishta and oestar are both female Gods associations with Fertility. Cultures did share Gods or borrow Gods. But as he said Jews celebrated festivals and this is what helped determine the Christians choice of Passover time for celebrating the crucifiction and ressurection
@@stopshutdev so we can worship in spirit and in truth? And throw myths in there too? and remember the ressurectionof christ while we run around with chocolate eggs and bunnies....which have nothing to do with what easter is trully about great 👍 Gods not really jealous. Well done keep fighting for mens traditions.
I visited a Church that taught me not to argue over minor points of doctrine. During Easter, someone turned the Colored eggs into a witnessing tool. Two members thought it was pagan and shouldn't be included in the bulletin, and the pastor told us that some may disagree so "Shut Up".
I'm really struggling with this episode. I know that y'all at apologia are theonomists and that within God's law God explicitly says that he is not to be worshipped in the manner in which the gods of the nation's worship their gods ( Deuteronomy 12:4) so why are y'all dismissing all of these things as if they don't really matter? I'm not necessarily suggesting that you worship the Risen Christ with eggs and bunnies, but these things are most certainly connected to the resurrection in thousands and thousands of Sunday School classes and Resurrection Day Celebrations when they have absolutely nothing to do with it. Your guests argument that the Ark of the Covenant is modeled after Egyptian Furniture is utterly ridiculous because God clearly tells Moses that the pattern for the Ark of the Covenant, the Tabernacle, the altar of incense, Etc was to be made after the pattern shown to Moses on Mount Sinai, not Egyptian furniture! Read Exodus 25:40. I agree that some go way too far and overboard concerning these matters, but it's not as if their concern is unfounded or unmerited. If you truly are going to be biblical about celebrating the resurrection you have to follow the Jewish feasts because Jesus was crucified at Passover, buried at the Feast of Unleavened Bread and rose on the Feast of Firstfruits. All of that is entirely biblical. In my opinion, it would be the best practice of Christians to not celebrate Jesus's resurrection on the Spring Equinox, but rather the actual day with in the biblical feasts that God put forth. That's not legalism. That's not fundamentalism nor is it negative.
Super stoked for this one! Also...love your guest. I just started watching his videos about a week ago.❤ I have to say...my kids were raised as Odinist by my ex husband. They watch this guy's channel called 'Survive the Jive' and he does a video on Easter. I'd love to know Michael's take on his video.
Ēostra, the Anglo-Saxon goddess of dawn ( *not* fertility), has lent only her name to the holiday in much the same way that other Germanic deities have lent their names to our weekday names.
@Randall Moore Let’s delve into the world of historical fact for a moment…. Ishtar, is the Akkadian variation of the West Semitic goddess Astoreth (Hellenized to Astarte). These forms are all essentially variations of the same root word. The -eth, -ot, and -t endings one sees on this name, by the way, simply indicate the noun is feminine. Ishtar, or to use the Hebrew variation, Ashtarot, comes from the root word meaning “to increase”. In her earliest form, she was seen as a goddess of grain, or grain increase. Over time, she became a goddess associated with sexual love and war; _not_ fertility as many assert. Eggs and hares have _never_ been historically associated (or even suggested to be associated) with her; Ishtar’s sacred animal was the lion; her symbol, the eight pointed star and a twisted knot of reeds representing the doorpost to a grain house (as mentioned, in her earliest form, she was a goddess of grain); not _one credible source_ cites eggs. Indeed, neither the hare nor eggs were seen as fertility symbols in the ancient Near East. Ishtar’s cult practice died out about 300 AD; long before many European peoples started associating the Christian resurrection narrative with their existing springtime traditions. To try and associate Ishtar with Easter is a bit like trying to say that the word “baby” has the same root as the word “Babylon”, or that “Amen” is really derived from the Egyptian god Amun. Easter has never been a celebration of Ishtar in any way, shape, or form. The word Easter derives from Ēostra; the Anglo-Saxon name variation of the West Germanic goddess of dawn and by association, to some extent spring. Indeed, an entire month was dedicated to her; namely April (originally, Ēosturmônað). The etymology of her name comes from the Indo-European root word *hewsôs, meaning “to shine, glow red” -a reference to dawn. In Proto-Germanic, the name has been reconstructed as *Austrô(n). To the early Germans, she was Ostara, from which modern German gets “Oster” for Easter. Ēostra’s name has also given us the name of the cardinal direction “East”, many placenames in England, and even a few female first names (none of which I believe are used anymore). Further, it is interesting to note that only in the places she was worshipped (England and parts of northwest Germany) is the word Easter (German, Oster) used in place of an equivalent of the Greek/Latin ‘Pascha’ (from Hebrew “Pêsach” and Aramaic “Pasḥā” - Passover), as with other European languages. Ēostra lent only her name to the holiday in exactly the same way that other Germanic deities have lent their names to our weekdays in English. Nothing more “pagan” than that. As for eggs at Easter, they were forbidden food during the Lenten fast. Eggs are the product of a warm-blooded animal, all of which were forbidden during Lent; the fish being cold-blooded was an allowed food; hence the association of Lent with eating fish. Because eggs were forbidden during Lent, on Easter Sunday, eating eggs was regarded as a ‘treat’ of sorts. This was especially true for poorer people who did not keep animals for slaughter, and could not afford to buy meat. In anticipation of Easter, in many traditions, the eggs were colored during the last days of Lent to mark the end of penance and fasting. In many countries, the colors used are highly symbolic - the traditional red of the Eastern Orthodox tradition, for example, symbolizes the blood Christ shed for mankind. The Easter Hare (not a bunny or a rabbit - that’s a considerably more modern version) comes from the Lutherans of Germany (yep, the Easter Bunny is a Protestant thing). The Easter Hare, however, does not symbolize a thing. None of the egg-bringing animals of folklore are in any way ‘symbolic’ of any one thing, any more than the Tooth Fairy is symbolic of anything. The hare is not symbolic of ‘fertility’ nor of anything else. These are supposed attributes which have been repeated so often, they have become accepted as legitimate truth. Indeed, the hare is not known to be as “prolific” as the bunny or rabbit. Hares are also known for constructing nest-like structures in field and meadows - not a huge stretch for parents to tell their kids that’s where all those colorful eggs they were going to hunt came from. There are a lot of folktales regarding the Easter Hare, some of which are still told today. The Easter Hare came to America by way of German immigrants to Pennsylvania in the 1700’s. Again, in short, absolutely _zero_ connection to Mesopotamia, paganism, or Ishtar. Virtually every Easter tradition was established by Christians long after paganism was gone in Europe. The majority of this ‘Easter is pagan’ nonsense comes from a Scottish Presbyterian minister from the 1800’s; one Alexander Hislop. In his 1858 book, _“The Two Babylons”,_ he asserts that the Roman Catholic Church is a continuation of the religion of ancient Babylon, only in a Christian guise. He goes through great pains in associating and connecting Catholic practices and holidays with those of the ancient Babylonian religion. His book, of course, has been thoroughly discredited (as early as the 1920’s). Indeed, there is no serious self-respecting Biblical scholar who would give any credence to Hislop’s “theories”. Scholars today recognize it for the vehemently anti-Catholic drivel that it is, and note that most of his theories come either from the realm of his very over active imagination, or his complete misunderstanding of both Catholicism and the religion of ancient Babylon. As one historian puts it: _“Hislop’s book is wonderful because it’s full of imagination and nonsense. It’s fantastic but utterly misconceived. Hislop’s tendency was to think if it sounds the same, it must be connected.”_ It’s from Hislop that the idea of just about everything from Easter ham to eggs to Lent to hot cross buns are pagan in origin and tie back to Ishtar and another Babylonian deity, Dumuz/Tamuz He was also very fond of tying things in to the mythical Nimrod and the Assyrian regent Shammuramat (Hellenized to Semiramis). Of course, he got that completely wrong as well. The association is a complete false etymology and symbol association, created to further promote the beliefs and ideas of some Christian denominations…... the reality is, is that there is just absolutely no association whatsoever; it’s shoddy scholarship coupled with wishful thinking at best. It’s become a seasonal meme that just can’t seem fade into oblivion, and one that some people just can’t seem to let go of.
@Randall Moore you really believe the eggs and bunny traditions come from Mesopotamia? If so, there is no use arguing with you as you clearly don’t know how to do proper research
@@traceursebas I gave him the link from a RUclips channel History For Atheists in which he debunk the notion that Easter came from paganism. Here is the link of the video before if you are interested ruclips.net/video/YJq70tf0AsY/видео.html
@@joshuamelton9148 it’s no use brother, some people want the Bible to be totally disconnected from the context it was written in, as if it was some utterly alien and God not descending to their level of understanding. This guy has made his mind up and only believe “evidence” if it fits his own worldview
@Cultish...there is an excellent book call "The Genesis 6 Conspiracy" by Gary Wayne. It took him many years of research to complete it and there is a chapter that goes into some of the pagan gods and their evolution over time. There's a ton of other topics related that are extremely interesting too.
Thank you Apologia Studio for bridging the gap and having a Catholic explain to us why to celebrate holidays that are not commanded to in the Bible and may have pagan roots are okay. Watch some of Inspired Philosophy videos like "Obelisk at the Vatican Temple" or his video "Is Genesis Allegorical". Your ministry has compromised itself in order to justify holding onto worldly traditions. Your ministry is saying not to follow Jesus and the early Christians in Acts by celebrating God's feasts and to follow traditions that came after. I will pray for guidance for myself and all my Christian family to seek Truth and not justification.
@Randall Moore So now you are quoting from Egyptian Sacred text The Instruction of Amenemope. Proverbs Chapters 22:17 thru Chapter 24:22 borrowed from The Instruction of Amenemope.
@Randall Moore I misread your text. I quoted from the wrong chapters of Proverbs. That is my bad. I own that. With that said the chapters I quote from is from The Instruction of Amenemope. You quote Proverbs 26:4 , this is rich coming from you. You have been corrected by so many people on this thread. Don't make me get started from your bad interpretation of Jeremiah 10. Christmas tree as idols? Only fools hold to that interpretation.
Even if these holidays aren’t FROM pagan roots, they’re pagan today- unsaved culture still celebrates Easter, Christmas and especially Halloween and Valentine’s without any Biblical center for those holidays. You can turn on the TV and see chocolate companies tailoring their ads for Easter with zero reference to Passover or Christ’s death, burial and resurrection. Personally, I have decided not to celebrate Halloween at ALL with my children, and to not incorporate the cultural falsehoods of Easter bunny, eggs, egg hunts or Santa etc. As of now, we celebrate Christ’s birth and we celebrate His burial and resurrection. I kinda hate that those precious remembrance holidays are so jumbled with secular culture.
We are commanded to celebrate Passover, not easter, and it is a commandment. God tells us to do it forever, throughtout ALL of our generations. Yet people celebrate easter and ignore the command. And God tells us we will be cut off from our people, if we do not. No where does He say that he will one day end the law. The lawlessness Christ speaks of IS Torah Law. Sin is ignoring Torah Law. Christ himself says the way to eternal life is to FOLLOW TORAH LAW. The commandments = Torah Law. It's always interesting how far Christians will go to defend their lawlessness aka their sins. Christ said he came to fulfill the law, not destroy it. Christ followed Torah. To be Christ Like... would be to follow Torah Law, as he did. And finally... he celebrated Passover. Communion is ON Passover.
I can't wait to see where rabits leaving eggs is in the bible . I think the bible said be ye separate , be ye holy. By all means, celebrate what you want to . But I still don't see how Santa and the Easter bunny honors God. Because it doesn't
@Stephanie Horak He understands reality on a different level though and doesn't look at things the same way as others, I think people are looking at this whole debate from the wrong perspective entirely.
24:25 Humans didn't design the ark of the covenant. God did. Exodus 25:10-21 ESV [10] "They shall make an ark of acacia wood. Two cubits and a half shall be its length, a cubit and a half its breadth, and a cubit and a half its height. [11] You shall overlay it with pure gold, inside and outside shall you overlay it, and you shall make on it a molding of gold around it. [12] You shall cast four rings of gold for it and put them on its four feet, two rings on the one side of it, and two rings on the other side of it. [13] You shall make poles of acacia wood and overlay them with gold. [14] And you shall put the poles into the rings on the sides of the ark to carry the ark by them. [15] The poles shall remain in the rings of the ark; they shall not be taken from it. [16] And you shall put into the ark the testimony that I shall give you. [17] "You shall make a mercy seat of pure gold. Two cubits and a half shall be its length, and a cubit and a half its breadth. [18] And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. [19] Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end. Of one piece with the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. [20] The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be. [21] And you shall put the mercy seat on the top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the testimony that I shall give you.
Israel created the idol to be their god and bowed down and worshipped it. How in the world can that be compared to Christians saying "let's take a day to reflect on the resurrection of Christ and praise God"?
@@timothyjudge3945 What is an idol to me? Praising God for the resurrection? You've just slandered me and you don't know anything about me, what I believe, or what I practice. I would encourage you to repent of your slander, brother.
1. The blatant complete dismissal of fundamental Christianity should send up a red flag off the Nat. 2. The 'first documents' argument would mean that we can't trust the first books of the Bible since they were written well after the beginning. Much like the 19th century writings of the much older folklore. 3. Claimed a pagan goddess had nothing to do with the name of the holiday and then immediately quotes a book that describes exactly how the very name of the goddess was used to name the holiday. Debunks himself in less than 5 minutes. 4. They claimed there was no push back from the church about taking on these non-christian observances. When the Holy Roman Catholic Church, who pretty well ruled with an iron fist back then (and still does to some extent), orders all believers to take up certain practices for what ever reason, then there wouldn't be any uproar. 5. Debunking Tiktok is about as difficult as breathing. Especially when you only use videos that directly support your point of view. (This is especially comical when they spend as much time as they do telling you how unreliable the material is.) 6. They made the argument that these practices are fine as long as they don't overshadow the work of Jesus and the cross. One step into a Walmart will show you that this has happened in spades for both Easter and Christmas. Shelves lined and groaning under the weight of chocolate bunnies, Easter baskets, and egg decorating kits. At Christmas some companies won't even allow you to say Merry Christmas! These 'not specifically Christian' traditions are eroding the purpose of the holidaies to the extent that Christ is barely mentioned. Unless it is by an atheist badmouthing the holiday. Christians are doing far too little to bring God and Jesus back to the forefront during these holidaies and the rest of the year. These were the ones I could keep track of while I was listening. They have some decent points however those points haven't convinced me that the observances are a positive. And their methodology for saying the practices are okay just sets God aside in favor of the Easter egg hunt. Piss poor theology there.
Yeah this is the worst cultish I’ve seen. The Bible literally says they cut down trees, baked cakes for astaroth …Do not worship Yahweh your God this way!! Plus he’s like “show me the sources!!” Does not offer the source. He is doing the exact same thing as the tictockers. Regardless even Todd Friels latest video against Easter eggs etc doesn’t even dig into the history of it but has a good argument why we should not be like the world in this way
Do you think these traditions will be kept in the millennial reign of Yeshua/Jesus? What Holy days does scripture say will be kept in the millennial reign?
Hello! I am interested in finding where Joshua took a pagan temple and dedicated it to God. It sounds like that is exactly what God said not to do in Deuteronomy 12. ?? And I know some don't celebrate popular Christian holidays not because they don't think we can celebrate holidays other than God's holy days - they celebrate Thanksgiving, 4th of July, etc - but because God said to not worship Him the way the nations worshipped their gods. Another question I have -- why should we choose a day that most likely isn't Jesus' birthday and say it is? As Christians we should be practicing Truth, not lies. Obviously God didn't deem it as important as we do to celebrate the birth of Christ otherwise He would have told us to. But God told His people to celebrate the day Christ would be resurrected (the day of firstfruits) long before it happened.
New age is not new .Repackaged new age is not new .I've heard these arguments for the last 30 years .I don't celebrate pagan holidays as I don't need a history lesson to know they are commercialized nonsense .Our family celebrates life with Jesus .If you celebrate Halloween or Krampus I think you are deceived. IM not your judge or jury nor do I want to be .
Quite a bit of arrogance from Christians still feeding on milk. I pray the Holy Spirit convicts their hearts and brings them unto the truth. Use your liberty wisely young man. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Ignorance will not be an acceptable excuse before an Almighty God.
Who cares if it's pagan or not? It is not a required part of our commanded worship. God does not require Easter, Xmas, etc. So I don't even care about it's history.
December 25 was calculated 9 months from the day of the Christ’s death (as it was recognized at the time), from an old superstition that notable people were likely to die on the day of their conception. Strange but nothing to do with any pagan dates.
Telling someone to research it is not an absolute truth in that they have not researched it. People waste other's time just for the sake of arguing. Sharing a lifetime of knowledge is a bit difficult. You do have a point in this aspect that people believe anything they hear without truth. They jump down rabbitholes and are swayed by many things over the years.
*COMING TODAY TO A CHURCH NEAR YOU!!* This Friday is *the day of Preparation, for the weekly Sabbath and we and the entire world will be remined at length as we read the scriptures, that *the Sabbath keepers, rejected, betrayed, mocked, scourged and Crucified Christ, the Lord of the Sabbath.* Then on the Sabbath day, his body laid dead in the tomb waiting for the *3rd day when Christ would be raised and shown to be both Lord and God.* *This Sunday Adventists and their like will find themselves too holy to celebrate the resurrection of Christ* when the disciples all gathered together and *rejoiced and WORSHIPED Christ as Christ commanded them on the day of his resurrection.* There won't be any praise to God for Christ's salvation, *dead silence, empty churches and holier than thou,* will be fully set in their hearts just like the Pharisees after they murdered Christ. . The same will be true for PENTECOST SUNDAY. They will be all smug, at home and alone,
@Randall Moore INDEED. This whole 3 days and 3 nights thing is nothing more than an attempt to avoid the resurrection of Christ on Sunday and to attack orthodox Christianity. This is a case where the people need to grow up and face the facts! And here they are:1. The whole discussion is empty rhetoric. Christ had not ascended to his father,! 2. No one whatsoever saw Christ until Sunday morning. Christ did t appear to anyone or talk to anyone until SUNDAY MORNING! The fanaticism with the 72 hours is the emphasis on the wrong point. The was not the precise hours in the grave, but that Christ had been DEAD in the flesh for 3 days and raised "on the 3rd day" , which would have been beyond any possibility of him accidently still alive after scourging and crucifixion. To add to underscore the already problematic assumption that the Crucifixion was on Wednesday and his Resurrection was a on Friday, in Luke 24 we find Luke recording the conversation between Christ and the two bothers from Emmaus on SUNDAY and the Brothers specifically saying that Christ had been crucified 3 days ago and SUNDAY was the 3rd day since he was crucified! Luke 24:21 VS 21But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, TODAY IS THE THIRD DAY since these things were done. When the disciples did see CHRIST SUNDAY MORNING, he made NO mention of any resurrection on Friday evening or late afternoon resurrection or Saturday night or any other NIGHT Christ is said to have been raised and worshiped by the disciples ON SUNDAY. It was a glorious SUNDAY MORNING!! To add to that, not one person ever mentions a Saturday evening resurrection. All of the scriptures leave everyone with the impression it was a Sunday Morning resurrection. And, every succeeding generation after the apostles and all the earliest Church fathers all agree unanimously, that the very reason Christians from the first century worshiped "upon the first day of the week" was directly related to the resurrection of Christ that very day. Now, the Armstrong's whom have passed away in their many false prophecies and perditions, tried to appear unique from most of Christianity by making themselves special, something new and improved based on pure wild speculation that contradicts both history and the bible. They made the same error with Pentecost being on Monday, when all of Jewish History, including the scripture showed it was on Sunday. But, the bigotry was slow to be repented of. Finally, when the split become so great that the entire organization was going to fall apart, they caved, for survival. But, they ignored all the facts until they were forced to change them, just as the Adventist's did with the Trinity. The same bigotry exists in all the splinter groups of the Armstrong Churches. They keep preaching the same old failed prophecies and the false doctrine that Gentiles, are required to become Jewish in order to become Christians. Not one of these Armstrong groups can explain what Christ supposedly did all Saturday night. Nor, can they explain why Christ didn't so much as make an attempt to visit his disciples or why Christ would wait until Sunday morning to ascend to the Father. Nonetheless, all the apostles, Christ's mother and all the disciples worshiped Christ on that Sunday morning and the Sabbath keepers all despise it. Because, it is the ground and truth for the very reason of the worship of Christ in recognition of his resurrection, where the worshipers become *"Witnesses of Christ's resurrection, as much as Mary and the Apostles that very Sunday. But, heresies and pet doctrines made up by those who claim to be apostles and the two witness don't die as fast and those who invented them
Michael Jones does not believe in the scriptures. In his videos he takes the Lords name in vain and openly denies the teachings of the Bible. Why would you bring him on this show?
I did like the Inspiring Philosophy channel. I do feel a bit uncomfortable when it comes to the part where he says the Ark of Covenant is a reclamation of Egyptian artefacts. He had some videos with similar content, basically saying that some of the Jewish traditions described in Exodus were Egyptian traditions reclaimed. I forgot if it just refers to the Tabernacle construct, or if it even includes the customs and rites that they do. The person consulted for this is an Egyptologist who seems non-Christian, and even if non-believers can offer helpful insights sometimes when it comes to scientific facts, this one is just highly dubious to me.
Easter is celebrated on the first Sunday after the full moon because: the full moon would be the 15th day on the Hebrew calendar(Passover is the 14th day on the Hebrew calendar). Therefore in the gospels when they found the empty tomb on Sunday, thats the first Sunday after the full moon. It is biblical. ❤ On the Hebrew calendar a full moon is always the 15th of their month. The first day of Unleavened Bread and the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles (both the 15th day of the Hebrew month) per Leviticus 23 will always be full moons. That is why the church chose the first Sunday after the full moon for Easter. ❤
Right so the easter bunny isn't Biblical?, and it is a sign of fertility??? Pagan Fertility, you guys a sincrotists, REPENT!, Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. I am speaking as to wise people. Judge for yourselves what I say. The cup of blessing that we give thanks for, is it not a sharing in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a sharing in the body of Christ? Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for all of us share that one bread. Look at the people of Israel. Do not those who eat the sacrifices participate in what is offered on the altar? What am I saying then? That food offered to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? No, but I do say that what they sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God. I do not want you to participate with demons! You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot share in the Lord’s table and the table of demons. 1 Corinthians 10:14-21 HCSB, So Paul is a legalist? He is calling for for the Celebration of passover and not pagan festival of the time WHATEVER they look like, symbols or otherwise.
All I’m asking is just ONE liturgical year without this conversation even being a thing. So silly. Y’all. Celebrate Christ’s birth and resurrection, *minimum* and ideally other Feast Days such as Solemnity of Christ the King and Pentecost. And shut down the eAsTeR iZ pAgAn” mess wherever it pops up. So silly.
@RandallEMoore it’s a hot topic because since the Reformation Christians can’t even agree on the validly of something as obvious and simple as celebrating Christ’s birth and resurrection days. It’s. Silly.
Even if these are not pagan, which they are. They are not christian holidays and the bible does not tell us to keep these holidays. I haven’t seen the proof disproving these holidays are pagan. We dont need these holidays. Celebrate Jesus everyday
Sorry I have to correct you in this regard. Easter is not pagan in origin and never was to begin with. If you claim to be a believer in Jesus Christ you need to operate in truth. Also you need to be a good Berean and read the actual primary sources to see if it is actually true or not. Ironically enough the youtube channel History For Atheists debunks the claim that Easter is of pagan origin. Here is the link to the video. ruclips.net/video/YJq70tf0AsY/видео.html The bottom line is if you wish not to observe Easter because you don't like the commercialism of it no problem. It is your freedom to do so. However if you say that I don't celebrate Easter because it is pagan, then tell other people not to celebrate it then you are not operating in truth.
Never thought of it that way, but you are right. I guess christmas is the same. I always say, if christmas was really about Jesus, then nobody would celebrate it except “christians”
I was going to send this to my in-laws who do Hebraic roots but your guest has such a condescending attitude about those in that movement. I feel like they wouldn’t want to hear anything he has to say. I’ve listened to every episode. This is the first time I couldn’t enjoy it. I agree with his premise though
I don't know whether it's origins are pagan or not. I wasn't there at it's origins and sources all say different things. My conviction has become...why not just do the Holy Days that God set? They all point to what Jesus did do or will do...and God made them...why have we made things up? Like we are smarter than God? I'm not trying to criticize anyone else's walk with the Lord. Just sharing my thought process and I think it's Spirit led. If not, I pray He corrects me.
@@theplatinumcaraudio The context is that all of those things that set us apart from the world were fulfilled in the mighty work of Christ. It is finished! To make a law of righteousness to do any better than what Christ did is a trampling of His precious blood, a rejection of the price He already paid. So be free and rest in Him. He is our righteousness. Legalism will never save.
Guest: Most of my sources are Roman Catholic, most of my justifications are from Catholic traditions, and oh, I'm also a Catholic apologist. Host: I see no bias here. You guys are wild. You don't even correct him on temples. There's only three temples of The Lord God. The Tabernacle, the Temple built by Solomon, and Jesus Christ. Do any of you read The Bible?
This guy is very deceitful. There is plenty historical information regarding the pagan holidays adopted by Christians. Plenty biblical historians have researched through Catholicism and Roman paganism connecting the traditions of worshiping false gods tied to these holidays. I’m sure he also believes that Sunday worship is a Christian biblical truth, and not tied to paganism, although you can’t support this tradition from the Bible either. Jesus told us, beware of false teachers, I would definitely put this conversation in that category.
@@native00 You'd have to be using a definition of "pagan" that is different to come to a conclusion that what we call 'Easter' is not pagan. It is. You all who say it isn't need to define your terms.
1:09:00 I want to agree with Michael's arguments, as it seems for a more, let's say, convenient life. But I am sad that he failed to address Exodus 20:5 : "...For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God...". I'm not saying it disproves him, exactly, but seems like a blatant criticism of his argument and I would have loved to see him address it.
I have a friend that says the Bible is the primary source Primary source - the Bible saying Easter is pagan? KJV says Pilate sentenced Jesus so things would settle down before holiday in reference to the pagan holiday not the Jews Passover ?
What did the framers of reformed confessionalism think about Christian holidays? They would probably be more worth hearing than some tatted up modern theologians and pastors. It could be misleading for a video addressing cultish practices made by “reformed” guys to people who are unaware of church history. Ask George Gillespie what he thinks of Christian holidays. Ask the Westminster directory for public worship.
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Hi, I would be interested in a debunking of the claim that the cult of dionysus parallels the martyrdom of the Christian church and the myth of dionysus is that basis for Christ's death resurrection and the miracle at the wedding. I have faced this particular claim, and I know it's pretty niche... but a few atheists I know find this idea quite fashionable and I would like to see a through debunking of such flimsy connections
I believe the claim originated from a RUclips video called Miscellaneous Myths: Dionysus from the Overly Sarcastic Productions RUclips channel.
Ok but why do we call resurrection Sunday Easter? Did I miss that answer?
I have a coworker, atheist, who gets so excited trying to tell Christians how these holidays are "just fake pagan holidays" as if it is some discredit to Christianity. His arguments are so dumb it almost isn't even worth addressing lol if it were not for the fact that he tries to use it as a way to weaken the faith of Christians.
The Adventist use all the Atheists arguments *to falsely accuse their neighbor,* while telling everyone in the entire world how they keep the 10 commandments.
Yeah that's the problem though, isn't it? I bet most Christians wouldn't even know how to answer him.
@@LexPuente Not at all if you actually did research.
@@joshuamelton9148 dear brother I am sorry but it is pagan...I am an ex witch 😢 and before I was born again and saved I was a pagan...but praise God He rescued me...Easter is a pagan holiday to fertility gods (idols)
@@By.His.Spirit. I sorry but you are incorrect with Easter being pagan. I looked at the primary sources to know that Easter did not come from paganism. No Ishtar, Estore etc.
There is an Atheist youtuber called History For Atheists that did a video asking the Question is Easter is pagan? The answer is NO. He used primary sources for back his claim.
It is ironic that an Atheist who doesn't believe in God, is operating in truth than believers in Jesus Christ who parrot that Easter is pagan without doing any research using Primary sources. It is a sad indictment on Christians. Here is the video before.
ruclips.net/video/YJq70tf0AsY/видео.html
I am a fellow Christian. I grew up doing these celebrations in my childhood. I’m not trying to cast stones at anyone, but I had to ask myself this and I believe that any believer should ask themselves the same thing. Do any of these activities during these holidays, have anything to do with Christ from the Bible? What does the bunny and coloring eggs and hiding them and having the children go find them have to do with the crucifixion, burial, and resurrection? What does Santa, the reindeer and presents and decorations have to do with Jesus’s birth? Again I share this with love. It was hard for me to answer these questions when I was brought up doing these very things. Can anyone honestly say that when they partake in these things, their hearts and minds are on the lord and what he’s done for us? In everything we do, we should do it for the glory of God Almighty. Do these things glorify God? Do they align with what His word says? Pray on it and search the scriptures of what he says.
@Randall Moore did you not watch? Show proof
@@BibleLovingLutheran look up the verse in the Bible about cutting down a live tree and bringing it into your home. Look up the roots of mistletoe, hanging a wreath on your door. You tell him to show proof, show me where in the Bible does it say to partake in these things. What does it say about the ways of the heathens? Search the Bible. You have to seek the truth from the word.
@@TroyS49 I read the word. Quit being a Pharisee. Especially since you most likely believe in a rapture like left behind.
@@TroyS49 Jeremiah 10:3-4 is talking about crafting idols from wood. 🤦🏼♂️
@@TroyS49 you’re what I call a baby Christian in a IFB church
As an ex-HR person I can say we had a fear of sinning and were convinced these things were pagan and would incur God's wrath. Slowly God started showing me how its not actually pagan though. Now that I'm out and on the other side I'm thinking its a slander campaign of the enemy, this pagan accusation. The fruit is division, hate, pride, fear to name a few. And I find it note worthy that in 7 years in HR while everyone is obsessed with the feasts, they breeze right past firstfruits(the feast foreshadowing the resurrection) and only "keep" 6/7. Why wouldnt they want to celebrate Jesus' ressurrection, the most important thing in our faith! Satan just wants to steal kill and destroy so he put this pagan thing out there, which btw, atheists loveeeee to throw at Christians. Satan wants to steal Jesus' celebrations and so much more. Praise God for his mercy and patience with us to bring us out! We feel free now! Happy Easter!
Michael has got to be one of my favorite RUclips creators- Christian or non-Christian. He has helped me create a great hunger for history, and context for the times/culture of questions I have in my faith and the world around me.
Great interview. People in the comments seem to be confused that just because Michael is debunking the myths that these holidays are pagan in origin he is not claiming they are Biblical, or godly. Every Christian has to make their own decision on if and how to handle these days and traditions.
That's what pagan means
I think those are all good points in this episode. When is comes to the topic of Halloween my family just chooses not to participate. It’s how I was raised. Not because I’m afraid of celebrating the devil or I think God will be upset, it’s simply I just don’t see what it is we are actually celebrating. Easter yes, Christmas yes. 😊
I’m not catholic. But even if your not, I know many that still celebrate it and that’s completely fine. I think my own conviction and feelings is that it’s just a holiday to celebrate fear now or the emphasis on fear. I know many people who don’t do the “scary” part or dress in nicer things and that’s fine. My family just chooses not to and we have a fun family night at home with games. I never felt like I missed out. But again, everyone can celebrate how they want. No judgement here. 😊
Easter is a pagan holiday.
It celebrates the Fertility Goddess.
Yes, a sexual goddess is connected with Jesus
In the world. WHY.
1 JOHN 5:19 - ......the whole world lies in the power
of the wicked One. ( Satan the Devil) millions of demons.
God created the world, but Satan rules the world.
GOD says: BE NO PART OF THE WORLD.
MEN ARE STEEPED IN TRADITION.....
TRADITIONS OF THE WORLD.
THIS ISNT A JW THING.
GO TO LIBRARY, RESEARCH.
WHY ARE RABBITS AND EGGS ON EASTER???
RABBITS ARE KNOWN FOR FERTILITY
AT POINT IT WAS ONLY WAY TO SEE IF A WOMAN WAS PREGNANT.
EGGS- WOMEN CARRY THE EGGS, MEN THE SPERM.
ITS COMMON SENSE.
EASTER IS NOT IN BIBLE.
NOWHERE DOES GOD SAY TO REMEMBER HIS SON
IS RABBITS AND EGGS. VERY DEROGATORY.
THESE MEN ARE BLINDED.
JWS CAN SIT AROUND AND CALL THESE MEN IDIOTS, FOOLS,
IGNORANT, BLINDED.....
BUT THEY DONT.....
NOT WORTH THEIR TIME RUNNING PEOPLE DOWN....
THEY MOVE ON.....ITS FREEDOM TO BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT
GOD DRAWS PEOPLE.
HUMANS ARE SELFISH AND REBELLIOUS
THEY DONT WANT TO FACE THINGS
THEY ARE STEEPED IN MANS TRADITIONS
THEY DONT WANT TO SEE TRUTH.
SO
THATS COOL
At the end of the day I feel like people who want to keep these holidays so badly should ask themselves, “why is it so important to me to defend secular holidays that have nothing to do with God?” People spend more time trying to prove why it’s okay to celebrate these longstanding traditions of men, instead of focusing on Christ and evangelizing the lost. Wether you want to admit the pagan origins or not, it makes no difference. The Easter Bunny and decorating eggs and binge eating candy has nothing to do with Jesus. Santa Claus and hanging stockings and decorating a tree has nothing to do with Jesus. Buying your significant other a heart shaped box with chocolates and roses and going to an expensive dinner has nothing to do with Jesus. Wearing green and indulging in revelry and carousing has nothing to do with Jesus. Dressing up as a character, most of which are intended to implement fear and watching horror movies and binge eating candy also have nothing to do with Jesus. The list goes on. Where is God’s presence in any of these things? Where is reverence, awe and obedience to our creator in any of these traditions? The Bible calls us to *come apart from the world and be separate,* not come up with a bunch of excuses to stay joined to it.
AMEN!
Amen!
Well said! Real eyes realize Real LIES
How great to see IP on Cultish! Great conversation, gentlemen.
I believe we are in the 2nd Exodus as we, "come out of her My people"! 😃 Babylon is the world, and it's systems. Being set apart, and called out means pleasing God rather than people. (Keeping His Feasts which bless, and glorify Him, are so revelatory, and such a joy! Spending His Holy days getting to know Him, and learning when,what, and how reveals why and vice-versa!!! So awesome!!! I look forward to and enjoy getting understanding as it is given, HalleluYAH!
I can only share what He Is doing in me, and what I've learned.
On the flipside, the traditions of man are not of God. The Most High gave us holydays, and feasts, with purpose, rooted in The Truth, past, present, and future, to help us to know Him!😀
The traditions of paganism date back long before Jesus walked this physical plane, and although sometimes nostalgic, fun and seemingly innocent, these worldly holidays have twisted, dark, disgusting,🤢🤮 and underlying deceptions, that you will never hear of, from the mainstream social engineers, on every form of media programming that is crammed into our our fluoridated, ignorant, subconscious... we have been initiated for the dark side from birth, and it's time to break the cycle HalleluYAH I Trust Him because He Is Worthy!!! WHOLY, HOLY, AMAZING!!! The Passover Lamb Of God!!! That title is SO rightfully His!!!
Amen! HalleluYAH! May the Roman rooted leaven of the Pharisees, false teachings and golden calves be removed and we be filled with the leaven of heaven
If a Muslim challenged me to "look it up on Google" to learn the true origin of Easter, I would ask him if everything you find about Islam and Muhammad through Google is true.
Ishtar and Easter are as related as carpet is to car.
BuT iT SoUnDs SiMuLaR!!
Easter is the early Catholic whitewashing of Ishtar in order to appease the pagans that were strongly encouraged to join the church. The pagans didn't want to stop having their traditional festivals. Same thing with Christmas..they christianized saturnalia and yule and called it Christmas.
Imo, celebrating the commercialized pagan holidays is a poke in the eye of Christ Jesus. It takes the focus off of Him, instead we gullibly honor an ancient spirit, likely nephilim, by practicing their rituals. Is it an unforgivable sin? No it's not. Will you lose your salvation simply by engaging in it? No you won't. For me, I don't anymore bc God has convicted me not to. What other followers of Christ are between them and God. No judgement here.
An excellent scholarly resource is 'The Genesis 6 Conspiracy' by Gary Wayne.
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Love this channel, and am happy to see IP talking about this on more channels lately. Great work guys
“But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: “We ought to obey God rather than men.”
Acts 5:29
Man Michael Jones is seemingly EVERYWHERE recently......... And I kind of love it! Keep it up IP!
My problem with the bunnies/eggs associated with Easter is that it has increasingly distracted from the central meaning and figure of Easter.......Jesus Christ.
I seriously am a history hater. It irks me to no end that people are lying about it and forcing me to learn History to expose their lies.
Love that IP points out how Jesus also celebrated holidays not directly placed in the bible.
Debunks the legalists arguments right in their face .
Great podcast, can’t wait for part 2
Awesome to see Michael Jones @Inspiring Philoophy at Cultish! So great to see Christians from different denominations come together like this
I don't have anything against Easter, I Just very naturally do not esteem any day over another. I do this in faith
Deuteronomy 18:9
“When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations.
Is a holiday celebrating the resurrection of Christ pagan?
No.
@Randall Moore Problem is Easter is Not pagan. Easter was never a Christian pagan holiday to begin with.
The youtube channel History For Atheists actually debunks alot of the faulty claims of Easter being pagan. Own his website he calls out his fellow Atheists who are supposed to be questioning everything but when it comes to this, they parrot the talking points of Easter being pagan without questioning it.
The video below debunks the claim that Easter is pagan.
ruclips.net/video/YJq70tf0AsY/видео.html
@Randall Moore But..... It's not a pagan ritual......
It’s not celebrating Christ’s resurrection or conquering of death and taking all of our sins with him to make us clothed in white/redeemed. EASTER IS A PAGAN MANS HOLIDAY…not God’s HOLY DAY.
@@benjantzen8910 Incorrect. An Atheist youtuber debunk the whole Easter is pagan/it came from pagans. Here is the video below.
ruclips.net/video/YJq70tf0AsY/видео.html
@@benjantzen8910 perhaps you will or won’t celebrate something else this upcoming weekend - but myself and every other Christian I know is celebrating the resurrection of Jesus Christ this weekend.
I think of biblical fundamentalism as something to embrace... If any man loves this world, or the things of this world, the love of the father is not in him.
Another reason why they try to discredit God's holidays is that they want our life secular without any holy things, without Eucharist and without remembrance of Jesus
I'm surprised Justin Martyr's defense against accusations of Christianity taking from earlier pagans, such as Egyptian, Zoroastrian, didn't come up. Justin first debunked some of the similarities, but ultimately argued that Satan inspired those pagan beliefs as copies of Christ he knew was to come, to try and discredit Christianity as Justin was responding to.
Which I've always thought was an absolutely brilliant response 😄
Also...
Quartodecimans unite! ✊
Former JW here (as of 2.5 yrs ago) and I remember our literature quoting The Two Babylons a lot and I didn't even know the idea of "primary sources". After I was saved and these holidays rolled around I was pretty uncomfortable about getting into them much. It took over a year of prayer and research to understand that I had freedom in Christ in this regard and that what I had been taught were flimsy myths to control the narrative and me.
Pay Randall Moore no mind. He is on the anti holiday crowd. He is not operating in truth.
Welcome to God's grace Rita! My husband was raised JW, the rest of his family still is. I always rejoice to see someone who's been saved from JW deception. I pray one day his family will be saved as you have been. God bless!
You can celebrate as long as you don’t put the commercialism over the REASON of each season.
Every month the Hebrews had celebrations and festivals.. they were their own. We still celebrate Easter around Passover, observe Christmas from the birth.
@Randall Moore Because the Bible consistently considers keeping holidays as a non-issue. She doesn't need to worry about it affecting her walk with Christ.
@Randall Moore Where does he condemn extra biblical holidays? Chapter and verse.
Gives you opportunities to spread the message to others. If as parents you completely put holidays and and decorations before GOD. Then that's the issue. As for me and my house hold we will serve the LORD. But if you have family or friends that celebrate this "Easter " Sunday ok well we as Christians should understand that GOD is our first love. And again gives us opportunities to spread and let GODS WORD light others. Ask yourself...even if you did not celebrate holidays. Are you perfect now?? Of course not, not even close. Stop worrying and start praying. Sit with others and fellowship and use the opportunity to plant the gospel in other's. 🙌🏽
Man, the comments are just sad. There is so much pride and arrogance coming from some. One side is completely unwilling to hear the other and just wants to divide.
Ezekiel 8
Berean Standard Bible
The Vision of Idolatry in the Temple
1In the sixth year, on the fifth day of the sixth month, I was sitting in my house, and the elders of Judah were sitting before me; and there the hand of the Lord GOD fell upon me.
2Then I looked and saw a figure like that of a man. From His waist down His appearance was like fire, and from His waist up He was as bright as the gleam of amber.a 3He stretched out what looked like a hand and took me by the hair of my head. Then the Spirit lifted me up between earth and heaven and carried me in visions of God to Jerusalem, to the entrance of the north gate of the inner court, where the idol that provokes jealousy was seated.
4And there I saw the glory of the God of Israel, like the vision I had seen in the plain. 5“Son of man,” He said to me, “now lift up your eyes to the north.”
So I lifted up my eyes to the north, and in the entrance north of the Altar Gateb I saw this idol of jealousy.
6“Son of man,” He said to me, “do you see what they are doing-the great abominations that the house of Israel is committing-to drive Me far from My sanctuary? Yet you will see even greater abominations.”
7Then He brought me to the entrance to the court, and I looked and saw a hole in the wall.
8“Son of man,” He told me, “dig through the wall.”
So I dug through the wall and discovered a doorway.
9Then He said to me, “Go in and see the wicked abominations they are committing here.”
10So I went in and looked, and engraved all around the wall was every kind of crawling creature and detestable beast, along with all the idols of the house of Israel. 11Before them stood seventy elders of the house of Israel, with Jaazaniah son of Shaphan standing among them. Each had a censer in his hand, and a fragrant cloud of incense was rising.
12“Son of man,” He said to me, “do you see what the elders of the house of Israel are doing in the darkness, each at the shrine of his own idol? For they are saying, ‘The LORD does not see us; the LORD has forsaken the land.’ ”
13Again, He told me, “You will see them committing even greater abominations.”
14Then He brought me to the entrance of the north gate of the house of the LORD, and I saw women sitting there, weeping for Tammuz.c
15“Son of man,” He said to me, “do you see this? Yet you will see even greater abominations than these.”
16So He brought me to the inner court of the house of the LORD, and there at the entrance to the temple of the LORD, between the portico and the altar, were about twenty-five men with their backs to the temple of the LORD and their faces toward the east; and they were bowing to the east in worship of the sun.
17“Son of man,” He said to me, “do you see this? Is it not enough for the house of Judah to commit the abominations they are practicing here, that they must also fill the land with violence and continually provoke Me to anger? Look, they are even putting the branch to their nose! 18Therefore I will respond with wrath. I will not look on them with pity, nor will I spare them. Although they shout loudly in My ears, I will not listen to them.”
Just finished watching Dr. John Barnett's message "WATCH OUT--THE FINAL GLOBAL RELIGION OF SATAN IS FORMING ALL AROUND YOU TODAY!" It is a condensed 45 minute summary of what he taught on church history from a 14 hour seminary lecture series and takes an opposite view of what is being taught here on Cultish. In order to understand the pagan roots one must be both familiar with the historical biblical and early church references on the subject, such as Jeremiah 44 "The queen of heaven" and the Babylonian practices before the church, before Constantine and after the legalization of a paganized form of Christianity. When preparing to witness to Roman Catholic acquaintances I first came across this information, and having attended a funeral mass when one of my Roman Catholic (RCC) acquaintances passed away unexpectedly, it was eye opening to see the pagan influence in practice. Over the years I have been to many funeral services of believers and felt the victory of the cross even in death, but in the Roman Catholic funeral it was the exact opposite. I have never been to such a sad affair and my spirit felt oppressed in that place. At the memorial reception after the service, one of my other RCC acquaintances and his wife were telling me about her trip to see the apparition of the virgin Mary. They pray to her instead of Jesus, she is their intercessor. Mary is prominently depicted at the front of the RCC sanctuary above a large statutory crucifix. It was frightening to see and experience this pagan ritual and I don’t think protestants (or reformed if you prefer) church goers have any idea how bad it is in the RCC church, and some of the influences that were carried over into our own practice of the faith. There is a little more reformation left to be done!
Short answer, No.
Long answer, Noooooo.
I love this
Is this a David Wood reference? 🧐
*COMING TODAY TO A CHURCH NEAR YOU!!*
This Friday is *the day of Preparation, for the weekly Sabbath and we and the entire world will be remined at length as we read the scriptures, that *the Sabbath keepers, rejected, betrayed, mocked, scourged and Crucified Christ, the Lord of the Sabbath.* Then on the Sabbath day, his body laid dead in the tomb waiting for the *3rd day when Christ would be raised and shown to be both Lord and God.*
*This Sunday Adventists and their like will find themselves too holy to celebrate the resurrection of Christ* when the disciples all gathered together and *rejoiced and WORSHIPED Christ as Christ commanded them on the day of his resurrection.* There won't be any praise to God for Christ's salvation, *dead silence, empty churches and holier than thou,* will be fully set in their hearts just like the Pharisees after they murdered Christ.
. The same will be true for PENTECOST SUNDAY. They will be all smug, at home and alone,
On the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do You want us to prepare the Passover so You may eat it? ” “Go into the city to a certain man,” He said, “and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My time is near; I am celebrating the Passover at your place with My disciples.’ ” So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover.
Matthew 26:17-19 HCSB OH LOOK JESUS Celebrated PASSOVER NOT EASTER! I'm not saying celebrating Passover EARNS salvation but since it's what my savoir did I'll do that instead of some pagan rituals, not MATTER WHAT CENTURY THEYRE FROM, man that argument was WEAK SAUCE!
So much of what is said in this video reminds me of the arguments against Christians doing yoga. While I fully acknowledge that yoga *CAN* lead an unsaved person or someone less mature in their faith down a dark path, how is a Bible-believing, born-again Christian doing non-spiritual yoga for exercise some terrible, dangerous thing? I am rock-solid in my faith, so I can’t accidentally worship some false god. The devil does not own a particular pose that I might get into. Like, really? Is my God so small that He is threatened by downward facing dog? Even though my kids do that pose all the time without having any idea it’s a yoga pose? The only time yoga is dangerous for a solid Christian is when we allow legalists to make us afraid of things that God has already defeated and/or is fully capable of redeeming.
Any thoughts or rebuttal for what is stated in the Encyclopedia Brittanica about Easter?
They site modern day scholars but no historical documents. That Encyclopedia is not tiktok and often considered a reliable source.
Not disputing the info necessarily, but I will say a primary source isn't just one that is "close" to the times of the info. It's first hand accounts from people who were witnesses, alive at the time. Not just the earliest writings about the material. Those would be early secondary sources
The original Easter is Sunday. Every Sunday has been a celebration of Christ’s Resurrection.
Ask yourself this: why does the Christian world Keep Easter, when Easter is not even Biblical? Passover is biblical. Wake up brethren.
These man have no biblical truth
Because Christians celebrate the Resurrection.
It’s similar to how the “gays” have claimed the rainbow. Rainbows are beautiful and are made by GOD showing us his promise. But now if you have a rainbow sticker on your car or even on a Christian book, people will assume it’s representative of theLGBTQ. Soon folks will say the rainbow is pagan for the gays. I can imagine that there are some things that just grow and grow until you can hardly find the true origin. Ask any young person what the rainbow means and 9 times out of ten they’ll say it’s for the lgbtq.
Yeah, I fear that maybe 100+ years again, people will claim that rainbow symbol is satanic because it was ONCE used for LGBTQsymbol 😢
I heard the muffled laughter and “HER PSA “ lol and he wanted to comment for a second!😅
The chat is wild and full of legalists. One actually claims Jews don't celebrate Easter like he didn't even listen to your proof. Or history or the Bible. Amazing. We're doomed with this generation.
Thank you for this video. God bless you guys.
Easter is not Passover, although they occur around the same time every year. Also the Jews don't believe in Jesus Christ as savior. They have a strong dislike for Him. There is no way that religious Jews would celebrate Easter
I prayed for discernment on this very issue last night and then saw this video in my Recommended this morning. Great video, but I have some questions in its further application:
At 23:00, Michael talks about the pattern in the Bible of Jews and Christians claiming things for God. I'm curious how Michael's reasoning can be applied to something like Bill Johnson of Bethel's claims that Christians should be "reclaiming" the truths of God that New Age practices have 'taken' (it's borderline gnosticism). In Johnson's thinking, we can waltz blatantly into something un-Christian, learn of its practices, and then somehow apply it in the worship of our God. Johnson says God will protect us from such demonic things when immersing ourselves in these New Age practices because 'we have a Spirit of victory.' How does Michael's use of 1 Cor. 8 fit in with this (15:13)? Can it even be applied? Is there a categorical difference between the two given Michael's historical research in holidays and church history?
What I'm also curious about is how Michael's sound reasoning can apply to worship music that comes out of heretical churches: Bethel, Elevation, and Hillsong, etc. Some theologians have claimed that the music is being written to a different god (these churches preach modalism, "little gods," New Age syncretism, etc.). I've heard Deuteronomy 12:29 quoted as a justification given this claim as to why it shouldn't be used as praise worship to our God. Does Michael's argument still hold up regarding this? How is this case different?
I had the same thoughts because I just finished watching the videos on bethel church. I wish there had been an answer to these questions in the comments.
Would love to see Jeff and Michael talk about apologetics
Genesis specifically says that God created the sun, moon, and stars for signs of seasons, days, and years. God created the science of astronomy for man.
Astrology is demonic
I think you mean astronomy maybe?
Spell checked
@Randall Moore i would more on this because I know people, Christians, engaging in astrology as well and i just don't know how to explain that they both don't go together
@Randall Moore
I think we need to be careful with throwing the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to some of these “pagan or New Age“ things. Astrology, the lower vibration, cymatics, Leylines, earth grid, etc.. This is all a part of God‘s creation and creation is good. I don’t understand why God would create something in the heavens, like the zodiac, if man wasn’t intended to use it. the problem comes one man trust these tools more than God or trust themselves more than God. Not the tools them self.
Is the holiday Easter of pagan origin. The answer is No and never has been.
The youtuber History for Atheists did a youtube video debuking Easter being of Pagan origins.
Its ironic that an Atheist is a better apologist for Easter than some Christians. Here is the video below
ruclips.net/video/YJq70tf0AsY/видео.html
The Sabbath keepers betrayed and murdered Christ on the "Preparation Day" for the weekly Sabbath. Yeah, they all went home and rested from their evil works which they had done. And, then proclaimed how holy they were by keeping the Sabbath, after murdering the Lord of the Sabbath. And, you all are worried about "Paganism" instead of self-righteous Sabbath keeping murderers and haters of Christ.
Polycarp and Polycrates kept Passover. Polycrates was oversaw Ephesus. The Bible clearly states that the Passover was to be held on the 14th day of the first month of the Hebrew calendar (Leviticus 23:5), and Polycarp believed Christians should continue to observe the Passover on that date. He did not accept what would later become the Good Friday-Easter Sunday tradition.
Eusebius further wrote that Polycarp held to his beliefs (Ecclesiastical History, Book 5, chap. 24):
It is interesting that Ishta and oestar are both female Gods associations with Fertility. Cultures did share Gods or borrow Gods. But as he said Jews celebrated festivals and this is what helped determine the Christians choice of Passover time for celebrating the crucifiction and ressurection
I enjoy Michael Jones' channel. His shorts are informative and hilarious.
So we have to be biblical in our lives except when its holidays God doesnt care what we do? Doesnt make sense.
@@stopshutdev so we can worship in spirit and in truth? And throw myths in there too? and remember the ressurectionof christ while we run around with chocolate eggs and bunnies....which have nothing to do with what easter is trully about great 👍 Gods not really jealous.
Well done keep fighting for mens traditions.
I visited a Church that taught me not to argue over minor points of doctrine. During Easter, someone turned the Colored eggs into a witnessing tool. Two members thought it was pagan and shouldn't be included in the bulletin, and the pastor told us that some may disagree so "Shut Up".
I'm really struggling with this episode. I know that y'all at apologia are theonomists and that within God's law God explicitly says that he is not to be worshipped in the manner in which the gods of the nation's worship their gods ( Deuteronomy 12:4) so why are y'all dismissing all of these things as if they don't really matter? I'm not necessarily suggesting that you worship the Risen Christ with eggs and bunnies, but these things are most certainly connected to the resurrection in thousands and thousands of Sunday School classes and Resurrection Day Celebrations when they have absolutely nothing to do with it. Your guests argument that the Ark of the Covenant is modeled after Egyptian Furniture is utterly ridiculous because God clearly tells Moses that the pattern for the Ark of the Covenant, the Tabernacle, the altar of incense, Etc was to be made after the pattern shown to Moses on Mount Sinai, not Egyptian furniture! Read Exodus 25:40. I agree that some go way too far and overboard concerning these matters, but it's not as if their concern is unfounded or unmerited. If you truly are going to be biblical about celebrating the resurrection you have to follow the Jewish feasts because Jesus was crucified at Passover, buried at the Feast of Unleavened Bread and rose on the Feast of Firstfruits. All of that is entirely biblical. In my opinion, it would be the best practice of Christians to not celebrate Jesus's resurrection on the Spring Equinox, but rather the actual day with in the biblical feasts that God put forth. That's not legalism. That's not fundamentalism nor is it negative.
Super stoked for this one! Also...love your guest. I just started watching his videos about a week ago.❤
I have to say...my kids were raised as Odinist by my ex husband. They watch this guy's channel called 'Survive the Jive' and he does a video on Easter. I'd love to know Michael's take on his video.
As a former Wiccan turned Christian. I can confirm that Easter is on Ostara which is a Pagan Holiday.
Ishtar does not sound like Easter
Where are the primary references please to debunk the “pagan easter” stance.
I do not understand why you guys do not put a link in your descriptions to these guests’ RUclips channels?What’s up with that?
Ēostra, the Anglo-Saxon goddess of dawn ( *not* fertility), has lent only her name to the holiday in much the same way that other Germanic deities have lent their names to our weekday names.
@Randall Moore
Let’s delve into the world of historical fact for a moment….
Ishtar, is the Akkadian variation of the West Semitic goddess Astoreth (Hellenized to Astarte). These forms are all essentially variations of the same root word. The -eth, -ot, and -t endings one sees on this name, by the way, simply indicate the noun is feminine.
Ishtar, or to use the Hebrew variation, Ashtarot, comes from the root word meaning “to increase”. In her earliest form, she was seen as a goddess of grain, or grain increase. Over time, she became a goddess associated with sexual love and war; _not_ fertility as many assert.
Eggs and hares have _never_ been historically associated (or even suggested to be associated) with her; Ishtar’s sacred animal was the lion; her symbol, the eight pointed star and a twisted knot of reeds representing the doorpost to a grain house (as mentioned, in her earliest form, she was a goddess of grain); not _one credible source_ cites eggs. Indeed, neither the hare nor eggs were seen as fertility symbols in the ancient Near East.
Ishtar’s cult practice died out about 300 AD; long before many European peoples started associating the Christian resurrection narrative with their existing springtime traditions. To try and associate Ishtar with Easter is a bit like trying to say that the word “baby” has the same root as the word “Babylon”, or that “Amen” is really derived from the Egyptian god Amun.
Easter has never been a celebration of Ishtar in any way, shape, or form.
The word Easter derives from Ēostra; the Anglo-Saxon name variation of the West Germanic goddess of dawn and by association, to some extent spring. Indeed, an entire month was dedicated to her; namely April (originally, Ēosturmônað). The etymology of her name comes from the Indo-European root word *hewsôs, meaning “to shine, glow red” -a reference to dawn. In Proto-Germanic, the name has been reconstructed as *Austrô(n). To the early Germans, she was Ostara, from which modern German gets “Oster” for Easter. Ēostra’s name has also given us the name of the cardinal direction “East”, many placenames in England, and even a few female first names (none of which I believe are used anymore).
Further, it is interesting to note that only in the places she was worshipped (England and parts of northwest Germany) is the word Easter (German, Oster) used in place of an equivalent of the Greek/Latin ‘Pascha’ (from Hebrew “Pêsach” and Aramaic “Pasḥā” - Passover), as with other European languages.
Ēostra lent only her name to the holiday in exactly the same way that other Germanic deities have lent their names to our weekdays in English. Nothing more “pagan” than that.
As for eggs at Easter, they were forbidden food during the Lenten fast. Eggs are the product of a warm-blooded animal, all of which were forbidden during Lent; the fish being cold-blooded was an allowed food; hence the association of Lent with eating fish.
Because eggs were forbidden during Lent, on Easter Sunday, eating eggs was regarded as a ‘treat’ of sorts. This was especially true for poorer people who did not keep animals for slaughter, and could not afford to buy meat. In anticipation of Easter, in many traditions, the eggs were colored during the last days of Lent to mark the end of penance and fasting. In many countries, the colors used are highly symbolic - the traditional red of the Eastern Orthodox tradition, for example, symbolizes the blood Christ shed for mankind.
The Easter Hare (not a bunny or a rabbit - that’s a considerably more modern version) comes from the Lutherans of Germany (yep, the Easter Bunny is a Protestant thing).
The Easter Hare, however, does not symbolize a thing. None of the egg-bringing animals of folklore are in any way ‘symbolic’ of any one thing, any more than the Tooth Fairy is symbolic of anything. The hare is not symbolic of ‘fertility’ nor of anything else. These are supposed attributes which have been repeated so often, they have become accepted as legitimate truth. Indeed, the hare is not known to be as “prolific” as the bunny or rabbit.
Hares are also known for constructing nest-like structures in field and meadows - not a huge stretch for parents to tell their kids that’s where all those colorful eggs they were going to hunt came from. There are a lot of folktales regarding the Easter Hare, some of which are still told today.
The Easter Hare came to America by way of German immigrants to Pennsylvania in the 1700’s.
Again, in short, absolutely _zero_ connection to Mesopotamia, paganism, or Ishtar. Virtually every Easter tradition was established by Christians long after paganism was gone in Europe.
The majority of this ‘Easter is pagan’ nonsense comes from a Scottish Presbyterian minister from the 1800’s; one Alexander Hislop. In his 1858 book, _“The Two Babylons”,_ he asserts that the Roman Catholic Church is a continuation of the religion of ancient Babylon, only in a Christian guise. He goes through great pains in associating and connecting Catholic practices and holidays with those of the ancient Babylonian religion.
His book, of course, has been thoroughly discredited (as early as the 1920’s). Indeed, there is no serious self-respecting Biblical scholar who would give any credence to Hislop’s “theories”. Scholars today recognize it for the vehemently anti-Catholic drivel that it is, and note that most of his theories come either from the realm of his very over active imagination, or his complete misunderstanding of both Catholicism and the religion of ancient Babylon. As one historian puts it: _“Hislop’s book is wonderful because it’s full of imagination and nonsense. It’s fantastic but utterly misconceived. Hislop’s tendency was to think if it sounds the same, it must be connected.”_
It’s from Hislop that the idea of just about everything from Easter ham to eggs to Lent to hot cross buns are pagan in origin and tie back to Ishtar and another Babylonian deity, Dumuz/Tamuz He was also very fond of tying things in to the mythical Nimrod and the Assyrian regent Shammuramat (Hellenized to Semiramis). Of course, he got that completely wrong as well.
The association is a complete false etymology and symbol association, created to further promote the beliefs and ideas of some Christian denominations…... the reality is, is that there is just absolutely no association whatsoever; it’s shoddy scholarship coupled with wishful thinking at best. It’s become a seasonal meme that just can’t seem fade into oblivion, and one that some people just can’t seem to let go of.
@@kavikv.d.hexenholtz3474 Thank you , Thank you, Thank you!!!!!
Somebody actually did research unlike most people.
@Randall Moore you really believe the eggs and bunny traditions come from Mesopotamia? If so, there is no use arguing with you as you clearly don’t know how to do proper research
@@traceursebas I gave him the link from a RUclips channel History For Atheists in which he debunk the notion that Easter came from paganism.
Here is the link of the video before if you are interested
ruclips.net/video/YJq70tf0AsY/видео.html
@@joshuamelton9148 it’s no use brother, some people want the Bible to be totally disconnected from the context it was written in, as if it was some utterly alien and God not descending to their level of understanding. This guy has made his mind up and only believe “evidence” if it fits his own worldview
@Cultish...there is an excellent book call "The Genesis 6 Conspiracy" by Gary Wayne. It took him many years of research to complete it and there is a chapter that goes into some of the pagan gods and their evolution over time. There's a ton of other topics related that are extremely interesting too.
52:25 "It's time to give my annual 'Easter is not Christian' talk." Must you?
Thank you Apologia Studio for bridging the gap and having a Catholic explain to us why to celebrate holidays that are not commanded to in the Bible and may have pagan roots are okay. Watch some of Inspired Philosophy videos like "Obelisk at the Vatican Temple" or his video "Is Genesis Allegorical". Your ministry has compromised itself in order to justify holding onto worldly traditions. Your ministry is saying not to follow Jesus and the early Christians in Acts by celebrating God's feasts and to follow traditions that came after. I will pray for guidance for myself and all my Christian family to seek Truth and not justification.
29:09 In Croatia, the name for Easter is Uskrs, from the word "uskrsnuće", "resurrection" in English.
In Poland it's just called Big Night, or Great Night rather. (Wielkanoc)
Great video! Can’t wait for round 2
@Randall Moore since you know all the lies why don’t you request to go on then ? 😅
@RandallEMoore Make sure to include primary sources! 😁
@Randall Moore Did you know that the bible particularly the old Testament took concept that belong to pagan deities like the Cloud Rider.
@Randall Moore So now you are quoting from Egyptian Sacred text The Instruction of Amenemope.
Proverbs Chapters 22:17 thru Chapter 24:22 borrowed from The Instruction of Amenemope.
@Randall Moore I misread your text. I quoted from the wrong chapters of Proverbs. That is my bad. I own that.
With that said the chapters I quote from is from The Instruction of Amenemope.
You quote Proverbs 26:4 , this is rich coming from you. You have been corrected by so many people on this thread.
Don't make me get started from your bad interpretation of Jeremiah 10. Christmas tree as idols? Only fools hold to that interpretation.
Even if these holidays aren’t FROM pagan roots, they’re pagan today- unsaved culture still celebrates Easter, Christmas and especially Halloween and Valentine’s without any Biblical center for those holidays. You can turn on the TV and see chocolate companies tailoring their ads for Easter with zero reference to Passover or Christ’s death, burial and resurrection. Personally, I have decided not to celebrate Halloween at ALL with my children, and to not incorporate the cultural falsehoods of Easter bunny, eggs, egg hunts or Santa etc. As of now, we celebrate Christ’s birth and we celebrate His burial and resurrection. I kinda hate that those precious remembrance holidays are so jumbled with secular culture.
We are commanded to celebrate Passover, not easter, and it is a commandment. God tells us to do it forever, throughtout ALL of our generations. Yet people celebrate easter and ignore the command. And God tells us we will be cut off from our people, if we do not. No where does He say that he will one day end the law. The lawlessness Christ speaks of IS Torah Law. Sin is ignoring Torah Law. Christ himself says the way to eternal life is to FOLLOW TORAH LAW. The commandments = Torah Law.
It's always interesting how far Christians will go to defend their lawlessness aka their sins.
Christ said he came to fulfill the law, not destroy it. Christ followed Torah. To be Christ Like... would be to follow Torah Law, as he did. And finally... he celebrated Passover. Communion is ON Passover.
I can't wait to see where rabits leaving eggs is in the bible . I think the bible said be ye separate , be ye holy. By all means, celebrate what you want to . But I still don't see how Santa and the Easter bunny honors God. Because it doesn't
Didn’t listen to the podcast , did you?
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Does he say that Easter is pagan? 😮
@@Fetsimo no lol
@Stephanie Horak He understands reality on a different level though and doesn't look at things the same way as others, I think people are looking at this whole debate from the wrong perspective entirely.
24:25 Humans didn't design the ark of the covenant. God did.
Exodus 25:10-21 ESV
[10] "They shall make an ark of acacia wood. Two cubits and a half shall be its length, a cubit and a half its breadth, and a cubit and a half its height. [11] You shall overlay it with pure gold, inside and outside shall you overlay it, and you shall make on it a molding of gold around it. [12] You shall cast four rings of gold for it and put them on its four feet, two rings on the one side of it, and two rings on the other side of it. [13] You shall make poles of acacia wood and overlay them with gold. [14] And you shall put the poles into the rings on the sides of the ark to carry the ark by them. [15] The poles shall remain in the rings of the ark; they shall not be taken from it. [16] And you shall put into the ark the testimony that I shall give you. [17] "You shall make a mercy seat of pure gold. Two cubits and a half shall be its length, and a cubit and a half its breadth. [18] And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. [19] Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end. Of one piece with the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. [20] The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be. [21] And you shall put the mercy seat on the top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the testimony that I shall give you.
Yeah..... that was blasphemy for him to say that. 🥺
I heard a strange story that the Jews had a golden calf and claimed it was for God. Then they all died. Super weird.
Israel created the idol to be their god and bowed down and worshipped it. How in the world can that be compared to Christians saying "let's take a day to reflect on the resurrection of Christ and praise God"?
The twisting of scripture here is actually very disgusting.
@@danjliv7 because it's an idol to you
@@timothyjudge3945 What is an idol to me? Praising God for the resurrection? You've just slandered me and you don't know anything about me, what I believe, or what I practice. I would encourage you to repent of your slander, brother.
@@danjliv7 the tradition is the idol.
1. The blatant complete dismissal of fundamental Christianity should send up a red flag off the Nat.
2. The 'first documents' argument would mean that we can't trust the first books of the Bible since they were written well after the beginning. Much like the 19th century writings of the much older folklore.
3. Claimed a pagan goddess had nothing to do with the name of the holiday and then immediately quotes a book that describes exactly how the very name of the goddess was used to name the holiday. Debunks himself in less than 5 minutes.
4. They claimed there was no push back from the church about taking on these non-christian observances. When the Holy Roman Catholic Church, who pretty well ruled with an iron fist back then (and still does to some extent), orders all believers to take up certain practices for what ever reason, then there wouldn't be any uproar.
5. Debunking Tiktok is about as difficult as breathing. Especially when you only use videos that directly support your point of view. (This is especially comical when they spend as much time as they do telling you how unreliable the material is.)
6. They made the argument that these practices are fine as long as they don't overshadow the work of Jesus and the cross. One step into a Walmart will show you that this has happened in spades for both Easter and Christmas. Shelves lined and groaning under the weight of chocolate bunnies, Easter baskets, and egg decorating kits. At Christmas some companies won't even allow you to say Merry Christmas! These 'not specifically Christian' traditions are eroding the purpose of the holidaies to the extent that Christ is barely mentioned. Unless it is by an atheist badmouthing the holiday. Christians are doing far too little to bring God and Jesus back to the forefront during these holidaies and the rest of the year.
These were the ones I could keep track of while I was listening. They have some decent points however those points haven't convinced me that the observances are a positive. And their methodology for saying the practices are okay just sets God aside in favor of the Easter egg hunt. Piss poor theology there.
Yeah this is the worst cultish I’ve seen. The Bible literally says they cut down trees, baked cakes for astaroth …Do not worship Yahweh your God this way!!
Plus he’s like “show me the sources!!” Does not offer the source. He is doing the exact same thing as the tictockers.
Regardless even Todd Friels latest video against Easter eggs etc doesn’t even dig into the history of it but has a good argument why we should not be like the world in this way
Also he just built up a straw man that he argued against instead of the actual points?
Catholic here, I'm fans of IP channel. Lot of stuffs there.
Do you think these traditions will be kept in the millennial reign of Yeshua/Jesus? What Holy days does scripture say will be kept in the millennial reign?
Hello! I am interested in finding where Joshua took a pagan temple and dedicated it to God. It sounds like that is exactly what God said not to do in Deuteronomy 12. ??
And I know some don't celebrate popular Christian holidays not because they don't think we can celebrate holidays other than God's holy days - they celebrate Thanksgiving, 4th of July, etc - but because God said to not worship Him the way the nations worshipped their gods.
Another question I have -- why should we choose a day that most likely isn't Jesus' birthday and say it is? As Christians we should be practicing Truth, not lies. Obviously God didn't deem it as important as we do to celebrate the birth of Christ otherwise He would have told us to. But God told His people to celebrate the day Christ would be resurrected (the day of firstfruits) long before it happened.
Be not deceived these people do not know what they are talking about please do your own research cause some of these videos really pervert facts
The only reason not to celebrate Christmas, Easter, etc. in a religious context is the Regulative Principle of Worship.
I have been a longtime audio listener and you guys look nothing like what I pictured 😂😂
New age is not new .Repackaged new age is not new .I've heard these arguments for the last 30 years .I don't celebrate pagan holidays as I don't need a history lesson to know they are commercialized nonsense .Our family celebrates life with Jesus .If you celebrate Halloween or Krampus I think you are deceived. IM not your judge or jury nor do I want to be .
Quite a bit of arrogance from Christians still feeding on milk. I pray the Holy Spirit convicts their hearts and brings them unto the truth. Use your liberty wisely young man. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Ignorance will not be an acceptable excuse before an Almighty God.
Who cares if it's pagan or not? It is not a required part of our commanded worship. God does not require Easter, Xmas, etc. So I don't even care about it's history.
December 25 was calculated 9 months from the day of the Christ’s death (as it was recognized at the time), from an old superstition that notable people were likely to die on the day of their conception. Strange but nothing to do with any pagan dates.
Telling someone to research it is not an absolute truth in that they have not researched it. People waste other's time just for the sake of arguing. Sharing a lifetime of knowledge is a bit difficult. You do have a point in this aspect that people believe anything they hear without truth. They jump down rabbitholes and are swayed by many things over the years.
*COMING TODAY TO A CHURCH NEAR YOU!!*
This Friday is *the day of Preparation, for the weekly Sabbath and we and the entire world will be remined at length as we read the scriptures, that *the Sabbath keepers, rejected, betrayed, mocked, scourged and Crucified Christ, the Lord of the Sabbath.* Then on the Sabbath day, his body laid dead in the tomb waiting for the *3rd day when Christ would be raised and shown to be both Lord and God.*
*This Sunday Adventists and their like will find themselves too holy to celebrate the resurrection of Christ* when the disciples all gathered together and *rejoiced and WORSHIPED Christ as Christ commanded them on the day of his resurrection.* There won't be any praise to God for Christ's salvation, *dead silence, empty churches and holier than thou,* will be fully set in their hearts just like the Pharisees after they murdered Christ.
. The same will be true for PENTECOST SUNDAY. They will be all smug, at home and alone,
@Randall Moore INDEED. This whole 3 days and 3 nights thing is nothing more than an attempt to avoid the resurrection of Christ on Sunday and to attack orthodox Christianity. This is a case where the people need to grow up and face the facts! And here they are:1. The whole discussion is empty rhetoric. Christ had not ascended to his father,! 2. No one whatsoever saw Christ until Sunday morning. Christ did t appear to anyone or talk to anyone until SUNDAY MORNING! The fanaticism with the 72 hours is the emphasis on the wrong point. The was not the precise hours in the grave, but that Christ had been DEAD in the flesh for 3 days and raised "on the 3rd day" , which would have been beyond any possibility of him accidently still alive after scourging and crucifixion.
To add to underscore the already problematic assumption that the Crucifixion was on Wednesday and his Resurrection was a on Friday, in Luke 24 we find Luke recording the conversation between Christ and the two bothers from Emmaus on SUNDAY and the Brothers specifically saying that Christ had been crucified 3 days ago and SUNDAY was the 3rd day since he was crucified! Luke 24:21 VS 21But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, TODAY IS THE THIRD DAY since these things were done.
When the disciples did see CHRIST SUNDAY MORNING, he made NO mention of any resurrection on Friday evening or late afternoon resurrection or Saturday night or any other NIGHT Christ is said to have been raised and worshiped by the disciples ON SUNDAY. It was a glorious SUNDAY MORNING!! To add to that, not one person ever mentions a Saturday evening resurrection. All of the scriptures leave everyone with the impression it was a Sunday Morning resurrection. And, every succeeding generation after the apostles and all the earliest Church fathers all agree unanimously, that the very reason Christians from the first century worshiped "upon the first day of the week" was directly related to the resurrection of Christ that very day.
Now, the Armstrong's whom have passed away in their many false prophecies and perditions, tried to appear unique from most of Christianity by making themselves special, something new and improved based on pure wild speculation that contradicts both history and the bible. They made the same error with Pentecost being on Monday, when all of Jewish History, including the scripture showed it was on Sunday. But, the bigotry was slow to be repented of. Finally, when the split become so great that the entire organization was going to fall apart, they caved, for survival. But, they ignored all the facts until they were forced to change them, just as the Adventist's did with the Trinity.
The same bigotry exists in all the splinter groups of the Armstrong Churches. They keep preaching the same old failed prophecies and the false doctrine that Gentiles, are required to become Jewish in order to become Christians.
Not one of these Armstrong groups can explain what Christ supposedly did all Saturday night. Nor, can they explain why Christ didn't so much as make an attempt to visit his disciples or why Christ would wait until Sunday morning to ascend to the Father.
Nonetheless, all the apostles, Christ's mother and all the disciples worshiped Christ on that Sunday morning and the Sabbath keepers all despise it. Because, it is the ground and truth for the very reason of the worship of Christ in recognition of his resurrection, where the worshipers become *"Witnesses of Christ's resurrection, as much as Mary and the Apostles that very Sunday.
But, heresies and pet doctrines made up by those who claim to be apostles and the two witness don't die as fast and those who invented them
Michael Jones does not believe in the scriptures. In his videos he takes the Lords name in vain and openly denies the teachings of the Bible. Why would you bring him on this show?
What are you talking about?
I did like the Inspiring Philosophy channel. I do feel a bit uncomfortable when it comes to the part where he says the Ark of Covenant is a reclamation of Egyptian artefacts. He had some videos with similar content, basically saying that some of the Jewish traditions described in Exodus were Egyptian traditions reclaimed. I forgot if it just refers to the Tabernacle construct, or if it even includes the customs and rites that they do. The person consulted for this is an Egyptologist who seems non-Christian, and even if non-believers can offer helpful insights sometimes when it comes to scientific facts, this one is just highly dubious to me.
Easter is celebrated on the first Sunday after the full moon because: the full moon would be the 15th day on the Hebrew calendar(Passover is the 14th day on the Hebrew calendar). Therefore in the gospels when they found the empty tomb on Sunday, thats the first Sunday after the full moon. It is biblical. ❤
On the Hebrew calendar a full moon is always the 15th of their month. The first day of Unleavened Bread and the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles (both the 15th day of the Hebrew month) per Leviticus 23 will always be full moons.
That is why the church chose the first Sunday after the full moon for Easter. ❤
Soli Deo Gloria
Right so the easter bunny isn't Biblical?, and it is a sign of fertility??? Pagan Fertility, you guys a sincrotists, REPENT!, Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. I am speaking as to wise people. Judge for yourselves what I say. The cup of blessing that we give thanks for, is it not a sharing in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a sharing in the body of Christ? Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for all of us share that one bread. Look at the people of Israel. Do not those who eat the sacrifices participate in what is offered on the altar? What am I saying then? That food offered to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? No, but I do say that what they sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God. I do not want you to participate with demons! You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot share in the Lord’s table and the table of demons.
1 Corinthians 10:14-21 HCSB, So Paul is a legalist? He is calling for for the Celebration of passover and not pagan festival of the time WHATEVER they look like, symbols or otherwise.
All I’m asking is just ONE liturgical year without this conversation even being a thing. So silly.
Y’all. Celebrate Christ’s birth and resurrection, *minimum* and ideally other Feast Days such as Solemnity of Christ the King and Pentecost. And shut down the eAsTeR iZ pAgAn” mess wherever it pops up. So silly.
@RandallEMoore it’s a hot topic because since the Reformation Christians can’t even agree on the validly of something as obvious and simple as celebrating Christ’s birth and resurrection days.
It’s. Silly.
Pagan Jeff Durbin😂
Even if these are not pagan, which they are. They are not christian holidays and the bible does not tell us to keep these holidays. I haven’t seen the proof disproving these holidays are pagan. We dont need these holidays. Celebrate Jesus everyday
Sorry I have to correct you in this regard. Easter is not pagan in origin and never was to begin with. If you claim to be a believer in Jesus Christ you need to operate in truth. Also you need to be a good Berean and read the actual primary sources to see if it is actually true or not.
Ironically enough the youtube channel History For Atheists debunks the claim that Easter is of pagan origin. Here is the link to the video. ruclips.net/video/YJq70tf0AsY/видео.html
The bottom line is if you wish not to observe Easter because you don't like the commercialism of it no problem. It is your freedom to do so.
However if you say that I don't celebrate Easter because it is pagan, then tell other people not to celebrate it then you are not operating in truth.
Never thought of it that way, but you are right. I guess christmas is the same. I always say, if christmas was really about Jesus, then nobody would celebrate it except “christians”
I was going to send this to my in-laws who do Hebraic roots but your guest has such a condescending attitude about those in that movement. I feel like they wouldn’t want to hear anything he has to say. I’ve listened to every episode. This is the first time I couldn’t enjoy it. I agree with his premise though
I don't know whether it's origins are pagan or not. I wasn't there at it's origins and sources all say different things. My conviction has become...why not just do the Holy Days that God set? They all point to what Jesus did do or will do...and God made them...why have we made things up? Like we are smarter than God? I'm not trying to criticize anyone else's walk with the Lord. Just sharing my thought process and I think it's Spirit led. If not, I pray He corrects me.
Read Colossians 2:16 and be set free by the truth of God's Word.
@banemaler you need to read more than verse 16 to get the context of what is being talked about....
@@banemaler ruclips.net/video/Mgq5O-wDIEs/видео.html
@@theplatinumcaraudio The context is that all of those things that set us apart from the world were fulfilled in the mighty work of Christ. It is finished! To make a law of righteousness to do any better than what Christ did is a trampling of His precious blood, a rejection of the price He already paid. So be free and rest in Him. He is our righteousness. Legalism will never save.
Same. I
Guest: Most of my sources are Roman Catholic, most of my justifications are from Catholic traditions, and oh, I'm also a Catholic apologist.
Host: I see no bias here.
You guys are wild. You don't even correct him on temples. There's only three temples of The Lord God. The Tabernacle, the Temple built by Solomon, and Jesus Christ. Do any of you read The Bible?
This guy is very deceitful. There is plenty historical information regarding the pagan holidays adopted by Christians. Plenty biblical historians have researched through Catholicism and Roman paganism connecting the traditions of worshiping false gods tied to these holidays. I’m sure he also believes that Sunday worship is a Christian biblical truth, and not tied to paganism, although you can’t support this tradition from the Bible either. Jesus told us, beware of false teachers, I would definitely put this conversation in that category.
They are pagan and have pagan roots. Just because they have stories to go along with them doesn't just make them a myth.
Is this guy serious?
Yes he's very serious debunking evangelical lies about a Christian holiday being pagan
@@native00 You'd have to be using a definition of "pagan" that is different to come to a conclusion that what we call 'Easter' is not pagan. It is.
You all who say it isn't need to define your terms.
1:09:00 I want to agree with Michael's arguments, as it seems for a more, let's say, convenient life. But I am sad that he failed to address Exodus 20:5 : "...For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God...".
I'm not saying it disproves him, exactly, but seems like a blatant criticism of his argument and I would have loved to see him address it.
I have a friend that says the Bible is the primary source Primary source - the Bible saying Easter is pagan? KJV says Pilate sentenced Jesus so things would settle down before holiday in reference to the pagan holiday not the Jews Passover ?
Just to be fair, primary sources DO cite turkeys at the first Thanksgiving . . .
What did the framers of reformed confessionalism think about Christian holidays? They would probably be more worth hearing than some tatted up modern theologians and pastors. It could be misleading for a video addressing cultish practices made by “reformed” guys to people who are unaware of church history. Ask George Gillespie what he thinks of Christian holidays. Ask the Westminster directory for public worship.
Cool guest 👍
This guy's awesome
His youtube shorts are really good
Please do a show on the Abrahamic Family House that just opened in UAE!!!