It truly is sad that in spite of all the Foundational Black American innovators that were there in the early days that have established that this is a genre of music created by Black Americans you still have some within the Caribbean and Puerto Rican communities propagating falsehoods and historical inaccuracies. Extremely disrespectful!!!!
Bronx Dale was All a part of us growing up in that hold scene East to west north and south BX was crazy in the 70 -80 I almost forgot how much fun It was. It was an amazing Time
In the grand scheme of humans telling stories with music, sure, it's found all over the globe. HIP-HOP however, is a new, unique musical event, a uniquely AMERICAN event. It is three things: James Brown's music, specifically The One, Muhammad Ali's Mentality and Bravado, and the unique conditions of NYC, specifically the Bronx and Bronxdale, and specifically The Spades in the early 1970s.
R&B is an American event, Swing, jazz, Blues, doo woop, rock n Roll, b Bop, and hip hop, Funk, rag time, these are all an American experience, and created by black Americans.
Seems like the bulk of what we consider as Hip-Hop comes after the NYC blackout of 1977. 😮 Folks were dead broke but had a come-up after all the looting and such.
I figured they would have advance the scratching, me as a old school DJ I made sure I kept as close to the new wave of scratching. So a young boy would respect me knowing I was in my 50s
They be acting like they are afriad or something booty bandit bam had a strong hold on New York for awhile and touched a lot of them dudes go listen Hassan in the beginning when he 1st came out he was telling a lot then! I think that’s why a lot of them are afraid to tell the truth about Mario they afriad of booty bandit bam and the Zulu nation which was just a knock off Spades!!! NOW FUCK IT I PUT IT OUT THERE‼️ NOW WHEN THEY CATCH ON THAT THE TRUTH IS BEING TOLD THEM Zulu’s GUNNA BE TRYING TO PUT THE FIRE 🔥 OUT BUT FUCK THEM BOOTY BANDITS THEY KNOW THE TRUTH‼️HASSAN KNOW THE TRUTH‼️
This man elevated the game with his contribution of s ranching. And the Fantastic Romantic M Cs was the Sure shot! Nemisses of the Cold Crush. I love listening to the old school battles to this day! I feel that just being there makes me a part of history to witness history in the making..he was better than flash! Only the Disco twins could hang with him at that time.
Black Americans werent thinking about Africa and didnt know anything about Africa when they making Jazz, Blues, Hip Hop or any other music. They just made the music naturally.
True story I was there I live on 176 Anthony Ave right in the heart of it All . Me and Dot-A-rock used to go to school together no cap and we used to stop by wiz house on the way. We went to Roosevelt. true story
good job brother……your doing a great service to us a lll…..HISTORY IS BEING CORRECTED… mc RC LaROCK the original COLD CRUSHERS 1977-80…..CEDAR PARK CREW…… THE M I C S T R O recored November 1979 ruclips.net/video/Yt9SwLkmDU8/видео.html in one studio take in Nyc...released Jan 1st 1980 ......longest RHYME FLOW to date
True story I remember when Theodore live on Webster Ave me and Dot-A-rock used to come bye sit on that big ass block in front of his building call him out the window Facts there was stairs u can walk up to teadout Ave next to the building no Cap
It's funny that, when Theodore started mentioning the people who re-invented hip hop, he never mentioned Mario, Kool Dee, or anyone from Bronxdale. You had to bring Mario up, before he started talking about him
Theodore full of shit. Hip Hop has not always been here. Hip Hop doesn't go back to ancient Egypt; he's speaking some philosophical bullshit. Hip Hop has a specific origin, at a specific time and place
UK ...Pioneers just take the Essence and ignore those Breaks ..Mardi Gra , Catch the Beat ...Hit U hard with some Different Breaks ( West Indian mentality ) ...Take > Supersede > Transcend ...
Let go back to thousands year the African griot storytelling poet and praise songs. Then when came over against our will the masters took way our internment.
Yep, rapping can be trace to it African roots before hip hop got originated, Griot and West Africa delivering story telling rhythmically over drums spear instrumental beats
Yes it is the Griot told stories in there music in there lyrics with African instruments, as long praise song spiritual and Call and Response. Not only the told story but they dance round camp fries in the middle of the circle. Since we came over from Africa against our own will force into slavery, our master took way our instruments cause we were sending single to other slave to escape but, they didn't took a our voice.
@@donaldmccall3968 The griots told stories in a style closer to spoken word or Toastin. There is no proof of SYNCOPATED raps existing in Africa before the 20th century. If there were, surely you’d be able to provide evidence...
@@jerseydevils9686 Bro from what I've seen griot is more of a singing type of art form... they're not even rythmic talking when they do it. The whole Jamaican toasting thing and African Griot things is just foreign blacks trying to tie themselves in with hip hop. That's all it is.
Did you always have MCs? No. The only time a person would get on the mic was to say, “Oh, we got so and so in the house,” and, “How y’all doin tonight?” Maybe, “Throw your hands in the air,” or “Clap your hands.” That was it. “Oh yo, the guy with the black van, you gotta move your car, somebody’s tryin’ to get out,” something like that. Those were basically the only things that were said over the mic. When did that change? Grandmaster Flash said, “The only thing you say on the mic is clap your hands and throw your hands in the air. This person over here, that person over there, this person’s in the house, that person’s in the house.” So he wrote a rhyme and tried to get everybody to say the rhyme, but nobody wanted to say the rhyme. I don’t care what anybody says, I think Grandmaster Flash was the first person to write a rhyme. He actually sat down in a corner, wrote a rhyme and tried to get his MCs to say it.” Grandmaster theodore.
You gotta look at what he is saying in a "poetic" way when he is describing how our blackness (african nature) just has various flavors and aspects to it that come out in many creative ways. I realize how detached from anything african most these deaf dumb and blind blacks are but this brother is speaking from the heart,now as far as the history and shit i cant speak on that because my era came after this one but as far as when he said reinventing he didnt mean it literally he was just saying when black people get creative that creativity has a root and that root is Africa/Black period no matter where u are on this earth if youre black your blood is linked to the Motherland, they dont call it that for nothing.
Well he should just say that. Don’t negate what these Bronx brothers created by referencing some nebulous, ancient African-history argument. Sounds good but give respect where respect is due. What if someone negates his ‘scratch-inventor’ crown and say it’s just an ancient Imhotep practice that was done a thousand years ago by the ancestors. 😂
Legends vs Facts. Me and friends use to argue who won the epic battle btw Flash and Theodore back in the day. (Legend). Bronx streets were saying Theodore left Flash and went with Mario. (Legend). Now, I learned from Theodore, there was no battle. (Facts) He just so happen to play with Mario that day and Flash was there. It make sense bc many popular DJs did that.(Facts) ... Now that I know the facts, what do I do with the Legend?
I was there and I recall it just being one big party. Busy was Mceeing on Marios set as Theodore was doing his thing. There were only 3 members of the furious 4, (who at the time were the Furious 4), present and performing that evening. Dr. Jekyll and Mrs Hyde performed on Marios set as well. Flash did the beat box. My boy, Doc La Rock was at the door collecting the cash.
Respect to Grand Wizard Theodore, master of the Needle Drop. But whoever invented Hip Hop, R&B, Reggae, C&W, Jazz, Blues, Gospel, Salsa, Rock, Classical, Folk, Hindustani, Native American, African music, or ANY part of ANY culture is a moot point. As is the countless beliefs and theories on the origin of the universe, creation, or mankind. You pick! Just ask KRS-1 and MC Shan!!! Ha-ha you suckers.
respectfully dj phase no way you should ever be cuttin on toy controller in bronxdale fam. you should be on turntables jus like theodore. come on fam you know better. respectfully jus my opinion. bronxdale is the birth place of hip hop right?
Not reflected in this interview but I'm trying to understand the negative connotations on Caribbean DJs and DJ culture in NYC...Caribbean ppl grew up with sound systems all around them since the 1950s...so when we migrated to the US seeking better and got settled, we dived into our sound system ting...no fkn GLI bullshit...McIntosh, BGW, Fane, Celestions, Gauss, Bozak, Urei, Hafler, EV....it definitely was for and still is for the love of the culture...we get treated like we're from some fkn planet 200 light years away...can someone break down the factors of the animosity...and don't say it's not real...lol. And if it's arrogance, that's not an excuse...damn near all sound system ppl are arrogant.
so if its not reflected in this video... then leave your comment under the video in which you feel there is "NEGATIVE CONNOTATIONS ON CARIBBEAN DJS AND DJ CULTURE IN NYC" ...show us exactly what your talking about
Well as far as Jamaicans claiming that they invented hip-hop, that's a lie. Jamaicans in the 1950s was influenced by the American soul music that American soldiers brought over. But it's all good. In terms of this black divisiveness online, that's all Tariq Nasheed's fault. Now if there was a divide in the real world, in NYC, I think it's just cultural disagreements.
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It truly is sad that in spite of all the Foundational Black American innovators that were there in the early days that have established that this is a genre of music created by Black Americans you still have some within the Caribbean and Puerto Rican communities propagating falsehoods and historical inaccuracies. Extremely disrespectful!!!!
Bronx Dale was All a part of us growing up in that hold scene East to west north and south BX was crazy in the 70 -80 I almost forgot how much fun It was. It was an amazing Time
The father of the scratch..its crazy how the scratch has evolved...
In the grand scheme of humans telling stories with music, sure, it's found all over the globe. HIP-HOP however, is a new, unique musical event, a uniquely AMERICAN event. It is three things: James Brown's music, specifically The One, Muhammad Ali's Mentality and Bravado, and the unique conditions of NYC, specifically the Bronx and Bronxdale, and specifically The Spades in the early 1970s.
R&B is an American event, Swing, jazz, Blues, doo woop, rock n Roll, b Bop, and hip hop, Funk, rag time, these are all an American experience, and created by black Americans.
Seems like the bulk of what we consider as Hip-Hop comes after the NYC blackout of 1977. 😮 Folks were dead broke but had a come-up after all the looting and such.
I figured they would have advance the scratching, me as a old school DJ I made sure I kept as close to the new wave of scratching. So a young boy would respect me knowing I was in my 50s
He was 15 in 78 so it makes sense. It seems like playing on Mario's set in 123 put you on the map
What's with the hesitation of not mentioning Mario? lol Damn you had to pull it out of him.
They be acting like they are afriad or something booty bandit bam had a strong hold on New York for awhile and touched a lot of them dudes go listen Hassan in the beginning when he 1st came out he was telling a lot then! I think that’s why a lot of them are afraid to tell the truth about Mario they afriad of booty bandit bam and the Zulu nation which was just a knock off Spades!!! NOW FUCK IT I PUT IT OUT THERE‼️ NOW WHEN THEY CATCH ON THAT THE TRUTH IS BEING TOLD THEM Zulu’s GUNNA BE TRYING TO PUT THE FIRE 🔥 OUT BUT FUCK THEM BOOTY BANDITS THEY KNOW THE TRUTH‼️HASSAN KNOW THE TRUTH‼️
This is Beautiful! To see.....Black People are innovators and creators of the UNIVERSE...
This man elevated the game with his contribution of s ranching. And the Fantastic Romantic M Cs was the Sure shot! Nemisses of the Cold Crush. I love listening to the old school battles to this day! I feel that just being there makes me a part of history to witness history in the making..he was better than flash! Only the Disco twins could hang with him at that time.
To my inpendence he dose have a point, we all have to look into African root of music and dance when this instructor song was jumping off in America.
That's silly. All cultures come together and play music tell stories and dance. It's called being human
Black Americans werent thinking about Africa and didnt know anything about Africa when they making Jazz, Blues, Hip Hop or any other music. They just made the music naturally.
True story I was there I live on 176 Anthony Ave right in the heart of it All . Me and Dot-A-rock used to go to school together no cap and we used to stop by wiz house on the way. We went to Roosevelt. true story
Wayne sounded upset that Theodore said 1978
Shabazz 7:77 not upset at all....at first just a lil suprised....but after thinking about it...1978 sounds about right
Michael Waynetv
My brother, would you agree that before 1978 / 1979 that there was a thin line between disco and Hip Hop??
before or after 1978/1979 i think there was a BIG difference between disco and the culture of Hip Hop
good job brother……your doing a great service to us a lll…..HISTORY IS BEING CORRECTED…
mc RC LaROCK the original COLD CRUSHERS 1977-80…..CEDAR PARK CREW……
THE M I C S T R O recored November 1979 ruclips.net/video/Yt9SwLkmDU8/видео.html
in one studio take in Nyc...released Jan 1st 1980
......longest RHYME FLOW to date
@@balle733 it's already a fact. He asked was he down with Mario. Whole different convo
True story I remember when Theodore live on Webster Ave me and Dot-A-rock used to come bye sit on that big ass block in front of his building call him out the window Facts there was stairs u can walk up to teadout Ave next to the building no Cap
A master at work.
It's funny that, when Theodore started mentioning the people who re-invented hip hop, he never mentioned Mario, Kool Dee, or anyone from Bronxdale. You had to bring Mario up, before he started talking about him
Theodore full of shit. Hip Hop has not always been here. Hip Hop doesn't go back to ancient Egypt; he's speaking some philosophical bullshit. Hip Hop has a specific origin, at a specific time and place
Real talk. Its hard enough to undo the damage done by the west indians. Its a situation of the blind leading the blind since the 80s
UK ...Pioneers just take the Essence and ignore those Breaks ..Mardi Gra , Catch the Beat ...Hit U hard with some Different Breaks ( West Indian mentality ) ...Take > Supersede > Transcend ...
@@djpioneer937 what damage
Hip Hop started in the Bronx,Theodore lost his mind
Let go back to thousands year the African griot storytelling poet and praise songs. Then when came over against our will the masters took way our internment.
Doin it in the park!
Yep, rapping can be trace to it African roots before hip hop got originated, Griot and West Africa delivering story telling rhythmically over drums spear instrumental beats
There is no proof of syncopated raps existing in Africa
Yes it is the Griot told stories in there music in there lyrics with African instruments, as long praise song spiritual and Call and Response. Not only the told story but they dance round camp fries in the middle of the circle.
Since we came over from Africa against our own will force into slavery, our master took way our instruments cause we were sending single to other slave to escape but, they didn't took a our voice.
@@donaldmccall3968 The griots told stories in a style closer to spoken word or Toastin. There is no proof of SYNCOPATED raps existing in Africa before the 20th century. If there were, surely you’d be able to provide evidence...
@@jerseydevils9686
Bro from what I've seen griot is more of a singing type of art form... they're not even rythmic talking when they do it. The whole Jamaican toasting thing and African Griot things is just foreign blacks trying to tie themselves in with hip hop. That's all it is.
@@jerseydevils9686 how do you find proof of a syncopated rap
Somebody PLEASE take the mic away from the purple shirt person. 😡
Did you always have MCs?
No. The only time a person would get on the mic was to say, “Oh, we got so and so in the house,” and, “How y’all doin tonight?” Maybe, “Throw your hands in the air,” or “Clap your hands.” That was it. “Oh yo, the guy with the black van, you gotta move your car, somebody’s tryin’ to get out,” something like that. Those were basically the only things that were said over the mic.
When did that change?
Grandmaster Flash said, “The only thing you say on the mic is clap your hands and throw your hands in the air. This person over here, that person over there, this person’s in the house, that person’s in the house.” So he wrote a rhyme and tried to get everybody to say the rhyme, but nobody wanted to say the rhyme. I don’t care what anybody says, I think Grandmaster Flash was the first person to write a rhyme. He actually sat down in a corner, wrote a rhyme and tried to get his MCs to say it.”
Grandmaster theodore.
You gotta look at what he is saying in a "poetic" way when he is describing how our blackness (african nature) just has various flavors and aspects to it that come out in many creative ways. I realize how detached from anything african most these deaf dumb and blind blacks are but this brother is speaking from the heart,now as far as the history and shit i cant speak on that because my era came after this one but as far as when he said reinventing he didnt mean it literally he was just saying when black people get creative that creativity has a root and that root is Africa/Black period no matter where u are on this earth if youre black your blood is linked to the Motherland, they dont call it that for nothing.
Well he should just say that.
Don’t negate what these Bronx brothers created by referencing some nebulous, ancient African-history argument. Sounds good but give respect where respect is due. What if someone negates his ‘scratch-inventor’ crown and say it’s just an ancient Imhotep practice that was done a thousand years ago by the ancestors. 😂
Legends vs Facts. Me and friends use to argue who won the epic battle btw Flash and Theodore back in the day. (Legend). Bronx streets were saying Theodore left Flash and went with Mario. (Legend). Now, I learned from Theodore, there was no battle. (Facts) He just so happen to play with Mario that day and Flash was there. It make sense bc many popular DJs did that.(Facts) ... Now that I know the facts, what do I do with the Legend?
I was there and I recall it just being one big party. Busy was Mceeing on Marios set as Theodore was doing his thing. There were only 3 members of the furious 4, (who at the time were the Furious 4), present and performing that evening. Dr. Jekyll and Mrs Hyde performed on Marios set as well. Flash did the beat box. My boy, Doc La Rock was at the door collecting the cash.
The mistatements be crazy...the proper statement is.... The Elements to HipHop have always existed.
TRUE!!
Respect to Grand Wizard Theodore, master of the Needle Drop. But whoever invented Hip Hop, R&B, Reggae, C&W, Jazz, Blues, Gospel, Salsa, Rock, Classical, Folk, Hindustani, Native American, African music, or ANY part of ANY culture is a moot point. As is the countless beliefs and theories on the origin of the universe, creation, or mankind. You pick! Just ask KRS-1 and MC Shan!!! Ha-ha you suckers.
Check out the Invisibl Skratch Piklz t-shirt! They're the guys who took DJing to the next level, after the old skool guys.
respectfully dj phase no way you should ever be cuttin on toy controller in bronxdale fam. you should be on turntables jus like theodore. come on fam you know better. respectfully jus my opinion. bronxdale is the birth place of hip hop right?
Ahhhhhhhh the MacBook don’t fit.
I get tho i get it’s a necessary evil lol
All the best
Piklz shirt!
Not reflected in this interview but I'm trying to understand the negative connotations on Caribbean DJs and DJ culture in NYC...Caribbean ppl grew up with sound systems all around them since the 1950s...so when we migrated to the US seeking better and got settled, we dived into our sound system ting...no fkn GLI bullshit...McIntosh, BGW, Fane, Celestions, Gauss, Bozak, Urei, Hafler, EV....it definitely was for and still is for the love of the culture...we get treated like we're from some fkn planet 200 light years away...can someone break down the factors of the animosity...and don't say it's not real...lol. And if it's arrogance, that's not an excuse...damn near all sound system ppl are arrogant.
so if its not reflected in this video... then leave your comment under the video in which you feel there is "NEGATIVE CONNOTATIONS ON CARIBBEAN DJS AND DJ CULTURE IN NYC" ...show us exactly what your talking about
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 You're right, it's just that thus far I haven't seen a video that discusses the issue at length. No disrespect intended.
Well as far as Jamaicans claiming that they invented hip-hop, that's a lie. Jamaicans in the 1950s was influenced by the American soul music that American soldiers brought over.
But it's all good. In terms of this black divisiveness online, that's all Tariq Nasheed's fault.
Now if there was a divide in the real world, in NYC, I think it's just cultural disagreements.
@@C-Lyfe85 dj joko henderson a nyc dj who rapped in the late 1940s show was broadcast to Jamaica he influenced early toasters like matches and u roy
Jamaicans say they got the sound systems from Black Americans in Miami, with the jukeboxes.
No it wasn’t always here Theodore put the pipe down son!The Bronx created Hip Hop and you shouldn’t be allowed to speak anymore.you played yourself