Kids being bored on a council estate is nothing new ... They have choices ..educational courses ...music ....training and jobs ... If theres not much there , travel and find it ....its paradise in this country ...look around the world ...these kids need a kick up the arris ...
I have hesitated posting a comment because I recognise I am from a different generation. I was brought up living on a council estate in Manchester in the 60’s. My parents worked for little money. My school was in Moss side. We were always with family sisters, grandparents, cousins not really mixing outside of this strong family. All my cousins and myself managed to pass the 11 plus. I wasn’t aware of drugs at that time. The council houses were an enormous help for poor families who had rented rooms in larger houses previously mainly owned by the Salford Jewish community who owned a lot of property. It breaks my heart to see what has happened in Manchester and Liverpool where there seems to have been a breakdown of families/extended families. Yes the youth of today may have nothing but they have so much more than the youth of the post war era. There was no benefits to talk of the either. So very sad.
@@bubz3t136 I am sure you have done very well without the 11 plus. Some families had children that passed the 11 plus but couldn’t afford the uniform. It’s a credit to the teachers of my day that I passed because my parents had left school at 14 and couldn’t help with my homework. Thank you to teachers then and now who go the extra mile to help those with no help at home.
i was a 70s 80s child not bragging we were so poor in south east london my dad hunted rabbits and deer for dinner a so called poacher i grew never in a gang never stabbed had a few fists fight etc these youths not all are under the influence of ganstarism bullshit they have more oppertunities and than i did back in the day but ha ho..
I moved on to the Ford 1970 a new house indoor toilets x2 and a bath. Loved the place. Great community spirit and some of the most beautiful people you would want to meet. I visit the Estate every Friday supported people with disabilities. I am always made welcome and feel safe as houses.
They need to go college go uni or get jobs .simple as that . My son was brought up on a council estate he didn't act like these lot .All down to parenting or lack of in these cases .
@@CobraKaiPoker-d9q well it is, if you've been brought up wrong and have had no guidance you end up in that life. There's a reason there's hardly any stabbings and smack endemics in little middle class villages over the country,end of
Love watching the podcast billy 👍 I get what your saying but my 2 lads grew up in norrisgreen I know you familiar with the area and the pair of them are a credit to me got them into kick boxing at an early age and that taught them how to look after themselves and also discipline and manners !! Some of these kids would be like that even if they had a different background manners cost nothing and most of them don’t even have that imo.
The lad in the grey...absolute bellend!....”ford estate lad...d’ yer know warra mean lad!...live in the slums here lad...here’s the finger for yer lad....just imagine him being your son!...or in the future imagine if that was your dad...😱
The youth of Birkenhead and all over the country are in need of guidance and positive hobbies Football,Boxing , swimming , cricket things like that . The devil finds work for idle hands
Thanks again for another great video Billy. I grew up on The Ford Estate in the 70s & 80s as the youngest of 8 children ( 10 of us in a 4 bedroom house but we though it was posh cos we had a downstairs toilet 😂) We lived in 48 Fairleaf Way opposite the one oclock gun pub where we had a birds eye view of the fights every Saturday night from our mum & dads bedroom window. The place was a real community back then & families really looked out for each other ( and each others kids ) I think the decline began when the heroin flooded onto the estate. People who we went to school with, who came from great familes got lured in by it all. There was not much to do around that time & you saw people you grew up with withering away through drugs. It was tragic to see the sporty lads from school who were brilliant footballers & always winning trophies turn into zombies before your eyes. The pretty girls who got sucked in soon lost their looks, dignity & in some cases their lives. The place was awash with addicts & it was indiscriminate, regardless of background. Some great families lost great kids to it & if I were to look back at an old school photo I’m pretty sure there’d be quite a lot of people from those times who are sadly no longer with us. We were fortunate as a family that we never got involved in any of it & I believe that this was a combination of having very strict Irish parents ( our dad would have killed us! ) & mates who lived in other places. There but for the grace of god go any of us though, it so easily could have been us too! I have some great memories of the place but some sad ones also. They did an article in the 80s about it called chasing the dragon ( If my memory serves me ) theres a picture of a load of teenage lads sitting on the grass right in front of our house. I knew them all but I reckon half of them are gone now 😢
@@TheEpicLegendone car with smashed windows is brought to make it called a slim 😂honestly these are nothing compared to Eastern Europe or South America
@@JohnRambo-ky7okYh but they also ain’t kids running around in other country’s having gang war on the streets with guns for fun just cause the area doesn’t look rough go in and try saying something to them lad 🤣
@@callousjail447games4 Course there is pal. Look at Mexico. Chopping peoples swedes off and hanging them across the streets. Brazil . Africa , it’s happening all over the place. Even Ukraine where most of the “soldiers” are 16 or so and given guns to fight the Russians. I’m not saying that’s not a rough estate but I’m saying gun warfare happens all over the world. St Louis and West Baltimore plenty of violence. Most of these countries have way more gun crime than an estate in Birkenhead I’d say.
I was down there when they were filming awaydays. Couple of cockney fellas with the film crew couldn't believe how rough the blood tub and what was left of the river streets was. 🤣 all the kids off solway an that trying to sell them weed an bifters 🤣🤣
From the age of 12-18. 1978-1984 I used to box, first at the Birkenhead A.B.C. Then the West Wirral A.B.C. The reason I mention this is, due to an absolute diamond of a fella who went by the name of Herbie Harrison who was from the Ford Estate. But back in the day Herbie ran the Venture A.B.C. down Brassey Street down the North End. Tony, his son was a helluva boxer before he got badly injured, in a really horrible way. Me and Tony both boxed in a club behind the sacred bull pub in fazakerley on a Long Lane. A.B.C. show. Tony had a barnstormer of a fight with Tony Brown from Litherland A.B.C. who later fought Rocky Kelly in a British title eliminator at welterweight. Herbie Harrison. What a lovely man. He was a beacon of light. The Ford Estate should be proud of one of their own.🙏🥊❤️
Yes lad don't forget Robbie Riley and a few hard knocks from moreton the ollerheads. One of the best areas for boxers just a shame most of them lose themselves to drink or drugs
@@aimeeballard1382 I met Tony at the Liverpool Stadium regional A.B.A.’s shortly after. It broke me heart. He most definitely would have gone a long way in the amateurs and the pros. P.S. I love the way ya say it as ya see it, going by your previous comments. You ain’t backing down to anyone. Take care Aimee 🙏
Ex Bizzy wrote a book called chasing the dragon about being drug squad when heroin was ripping through all these areas you’ve been visiting in Birkenhead Bill. Excellent read, thoroughly recommend
I lived on The Ford estate when it first opened. I worked at the Corsair pub and at the One O'Clock Gun. I left for Australia in 1974. Sad to see what's happened to The Ford.
You got out just in time mate... It was a smack filled hole in the 80s and coke fiends in 90s... Now it's just pointless gutter scumbags that are horrible humans for no real reason. The third generation of hopelessness
Woodchurch Ford nocturum Leasowe, large areas of the Wirral were built to house the overspill from Birkenhead which also spread out into Tranmere Rockferry new ferry, parts of Pensby or even a small area of west Kirby. bromborough and Eastham also have areas like this.
Good people are good people no matter their surroundings obviously its easier to be pushed a certain way but respect for ya self and other is built into ya own self awareness
Bill you need to come to Caldy Village, the Ruffians here are outrageous !! I actually saw a young Lad pick up some litter outside Hickory,s the other Day!! What's the World coming to Lar?...................................... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That place actually looks very decent I guess it’s the people that ruin it for everyone else this all starts with the parents who don’t give a shit that’s passed down to the kids then they have kids and it goes on and on
NEBB...north end bad boys. was originally north end bother boys but as time went on it changed. then you have the febb and webb, ford estate and Woodchurch estate. the north was the original goes back as far as the 1960s when illchester square was up. NEBB1💪🏻
Imagine a few families having picnics or BBQs on those lovely grassy areas. And big groups of kids getting together and having a game of football. Or a local band playing from the back of a lorry. Someone should organise such things and create more of a community feel.
Carlsberg dont do pipe dreams mate, that ain't ever happening. We had f k all growing up but good advice. Get a job or get out of this house, it worked well for me and my siblings.
There can't all be winners in life, there will always be and always has been people who are simply at the bottom of the pile in life, you can't save em, is it there fault? Probably not, but it ll never change its all part of the rich tapestry of life, love Woolander.❤❤❤
I grew up on the Ford in 3rd Avenue and used travel to Beirut (6th to 8th Avenue) quite often. that was in the early 80s when unemployment was very high, heroin was rife and lots of cars being burnt out, houses being raided etc. I fondly look back at the 6th Ave Kwik Save, it started off as a brick building but due to all the ram raids and sledgie attack it became metal almost. I loved the Ford though, especially the Youthie.
I remember the Ford being built. It was to house people from places like ILLCHESTER Square in Birkenhead West End, which really was rough, I'm sure it even had a pub called the Blood Tub!
The Febb, Webb, and Nebb were skinhead gangs "MODS" years ago, with conflict against each other. There was a gang called the Vickers just after that time, and I saw them attack Purple Aki with walking sticks in Birkenhead town centre
It really was a lot worse in the 80s bill. You might not believe it from what you've seen but when the heights were up and the jiggers open 7th/8th av were truly no go area's. One thing that we had back then was a bit a community, I think that's gone now. But seriously it's been cleaned up a lot. 😂
@@michaelcattrell2407 no guns in them days tho and you generally knew who the hard knocks where and as long as you kept yourself to yourself you wouldn't get any trouble aside from your car stereo or video TV being nicked. Now you get stabbed or shot as an innocent
I'll agree there sadly there are innocent people being caught up in the shite that's happening, as high profile cases indicate. But to say it's normal is not true. - I feel perfectly save walking round Liverpool of a night. 43 years on Merseyside, 14 of them In Liverpool and in some of the toughest areas.... Never had a problem.... I'd also say that inoccent people have always been targeted for crimes. Desperate addicts after an easy touch. It's definitely nothing new. It's just more in your face due to everyone having 24/7 access to instant news.
We lived in 7th avenue for 53 years billy were still on the estate now my mum and dad brought 9 of us up on the estate and I have 7 brothers and 1 sister and none of us took drugs, and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.
I'm from Liverpool Kenny had a cousin from there years ago remember going them cages for a game of footy maybe 1990 it was rough then but I think anywhere u go the youngsters are rough I would of said Kenny was worse
I no two families who live there and they are the most respectful families just takes a few bad kids to intimate everyone I grew up in north end in tee street loved it
70's Bill Woodchurch ( Webb) was the place to avoid.Then the brown epidemic hit and hit the ford ( Febb) hardest.It then became the place to avoid,making national press more than a couple of times.Noctorum boys were the Nebb...ECT.North end was unbelievably rough.Although in the last 15 years, still iffy but has been cleaned up.Birkenhead has some great history and years ago worked hard for its own identity, obviously being so close to Liverpool.Trouble is now,too many folks from Birkenhead.Like telling people they are from the Wirral 🤦🏻♂️ffs. Fakers,snobbs.Birkenhead is getting lost as an historical working class town.You were born where you were born 👊.Great podcasts Bill,keep em coming.
The Ford had FABB, not FEBB, were the 'A' stood for area; the 'E' stood for estate. Other groups were the LEBB (Leasowe); MABB (Moreton); SEBB (Seacombe); WEBB (Wallasey). Not sure if Poulton, Ballantyne, or other parts of Birkenhead etc. had their own. There were frequent scraps between members and tagging of property in each other's estate. I grew up in Leasowe and recall lads going to the railway line behind Oxley and Henry Meols schools and having fights. If you go to the bridge over the River Fender, there is graffiti still denoting Moreton's boundary. Sherriff being the name of the leader of MABB. I recall a SEBB tag in Stuart Avenue in Moreton with SEBB and a wall in Wallasey Village at the end of Marlwood Avenue and Leasowe Rd. with LEBB.
morning billy have good day, even though your scoucer, it takes some balls doing what ya doing interesting content, I doubt I could do that especially, with my wooly accent ha I once went in a shop in croxteth and was buying foil, n there was a que gathering so I put on a scouce accent and sounded like a druken birkinheader lol
Totally agree with you how are used to be in Birmingham. I live in Liverpool now unless all the community centres are closed. There’s nowhere for them to go. I grew up in the 80s 70s new used to have places you could play snooker youth club now they’ve all gone it’s gonna get worse 🙏🏽😱
Where did he get that accent from, Bill, why didn't you tell him he's appropriating are lingo. What happened to the old, I'm roasting for a smoke accent ???
You're right Billy. The arrogance of youth eh? That's not a slight on the kids today because I was exactly the same at that age. It usually takes hurt,loss and pain before a decision to change is made but fair play for making the effort.
I was born on the Ford in the 80s when Smack started.. I av great Friends from there who I went too school with.. it’s Dangerous because there’s no one to look up too on the estate enymore Football wise Boxing wise to Guide the youth..Sad
Rough as toast, point is Bill mate most estates and communities don't have any youth clubs, I fully agree with you a lot of the way our kids and futures for majority of teens isn't Rosie. We invest in major foreign criminals who are literally milking our system. Which in turn is robbery to our communities, be that in Liverpool, up here now pal is I dare say as bad if not worse . Respect Billy. It'd be great to go to Everton v Newcastle with ya! Followed you since Janes English pod read ya first book, need to make time to read your second one! Respect Billy 👊
In the days of febb, each Ave, would build the tallest bonfire each year. In the months building up to Nov 5th. Some kids from different Aves would raid others stashes of wood stock. That's when the raids would start with the older kids of 15. The centre pole of each bonfire was traditionally cut down from the woods behind the old Ford towers which are both now sadly gone. One year, an old yellow council flat bed was sent to each avenue to confiscate our hoards. 1st Ave set fire to their wood on the van and got it back. Nice one Tommy Mcsnott and Goober for that saved bonny night. Good old 80's.
I lived on the Ford from 76 to 96, family are still there. I was an 8th Ave lad and remember Bonny Nights, and the weeks building up to it so well. 8th Ave and 7th Ave collaborated in their collections of bonny wood, which wasn't always wood, it was anything that would burn. P*ssy mattresses, bags of rubbish, prams, car tires, the fences and doors from the flats they were knocking down, whatever we could get our grubby little hands on. Then it would be dossed in the empty bin shed and garages in 8th and 7th Ave. And we would guard it from the other little b*stards from 6th and 5th Aves out to rob our bonny wood. And yes the council would come round and try and take it for the council bonfire. I remember them getting bricked by the kids and having to f*ck off empty handed. And yes going up Biddy (Bidston) Hill for the center pole. Kids with hand axes and nobody even stopped or questioned us. Then 20 or 30 kids, like Egyptians, would cut down and transport a huge tree through the estate. Hauling and chanting. Rolling it on logs. Branches cut off and carried by the littler kids. Then we'd get the to the Bull Ring, a circle of glass strewn gravel that was meant to be a kids play area. It was right next to One O'clock pub. So your Dad could watch you and have a pint. A hole would be dug, the center pole raised and held in place by supporting logs. We were f*cking little engineers. The Bull Ring bonny was the biggest and best on the estate for years, you can say what you like, but i know the truth. The Bull Ring was packed on Bonny Night and it was all organised by us kids. People chucking spuds wrapped in foil into the multiple mini fires that sprung all around. The Gun must have made a killing that night. And the explosions of aerosols in the bags of rubbish we'd have chucked on. Yes 8th Ave bonny night in 80's were great times.
I was brought up on the ford me, on 5 ashwood court in 80s early 90s when they were doing the estate up and changed its name from ashwood to beachwood. The cages their by the shop was when I lost my virginity 😂 mad estate bk then. Hasn’t changed much when I went bk in 2014, part from the two pubs that were their were knocked down. Brings back memories seeing this! As a 5yr old I drone a dumper truck through gardens on the ford at the end of the 80s poss 1990! The memories 😂
I’m off the Ford bill, it’s a great estate but when it comes to investing in its youth it’s non existent! It’s as if you don’t exist but when the young kids start kicking off it’s a problem!! Councils need to invest in the estates and show them young people growing up what they can be other than resulting to crime l.
Council are lining their own pockets same as in Liverpool, ffs you can’t even get basic services like your bin emptied properly in Liverpool. Councils are corrupt and Liverpools labour council has been like that for decades back to Derek Hatton and probably others before him.
Billy your a good man, trying to reach out to the youth, but will they listen, probably not, until it's too late, banged up or in a grave,I blame the government, it's the same all over UK.. EVEN IF ONE LISTENS YOU'VE DONE YOUR JOB LAD..❤
In the late 70s early 80s The Ford Estate was known as the Giro, everyone was on the dole. If was rife with crime, high rise flats, a no go area. The council changed the name some years ago to The Beachwood but nothing has changed, only the name. Birkenhead North was even worse back in the day, even the pub there was called The Blood tub.
Played dart's in the blood tub,was walking past a while later telling my friend it had a bad rep but I thought the people were great,with that as we got in line with the door a barstool came through the window and landed right in front of us.😂😂😂
It’s a mad place the ford. My arl girl lives on 3rd ave and never has any issues. Road is full of families or elderly. 2 roads over my sister has had bomb disposal at the flats 😅
If any where in the country that needs support it is the WIRRAL BIRKENHEAD WOODCHURCH THE BEECHWOOD ONCE THE FORD ESTATE people still see it as the FORD ESTATE
I was seeing some bird off that estate many moons ago, was so so rough, and Ive lived in bootle, county road, nogsy and page moss, and that ford estate is rougher than them all
Right by the North End station there was a pub nicknamed the blood tub.....................played darts in there on a Monday/Thursday night. Boss boozer got its nickname from yesteryear when the docks were active and sailors from all around the world would drink and scrap. There's a wolrd in action documentary on here from the 80s called Tee Street not working...........thats when the Northend the Ford, Nocky, Woody and Leasowe were really bad. They stopped busses going through the Ford and make them still, go around it to this day.
@@TC-vo7wd The term woolly back was invented when Birkenhead was a thriving town and Liverpool was just fields and in Liverpool wool was transported by people on their backs. Do some history you muppet, scousers are the real woolly backs 😂
That's all they do all day long, you hear them whizzing by sayin, I can do a wheelie, I can do a wheelie, I can do a wheelie !!! arh well, tiny minds and all that.
It's way past the blaming phase, this is down to a deeper generational problem, the way these kids act today, is just part of who they are, they don't know any better. And it's sad, that the government or the adults don't seem to put any stock into the kid's welfare, the government only decides to step in when things go wrong, reactive policing through a reactive policy. Kids should never be excluded and left to their own devices, and this has been happening in cities for at least two generations.
You can't blame people's fucking mothers, most people's mothers tried there absolute best and anyone in the streets or prison will tell you the same, pieces of shit sat behind your safe screen.
@@MegaNeil1955 never heard of it, ive heard the nebb which was the Noctorum estate,,, but febb and pebb no,, the woodchurch had a logo of a spiders web and webb written above it,, the woodchurch must be the originals of the ebbs. ha ha
Sick of hearing there's nothing to do, it's bollocks, theres loads to do if you want to, cadets, Duke of Edinburgh awards, sports clubs, volunteer work, paid work.. go to Irish villages or Welsh villages where there is even less to do and the kids dont act like wannabe gangsters.. parents, schools and a liberal system are to blame for these wasters.
Wow what a shit hole I was born on the woody an lived there until I was 8 years of age On 6th Ave Anyone wonder why I now live permanently in Australia I had a lucky escape
Why blame the government for you being a scruff, it should make you want to do better to get away from there..they will just end up popping out kids and being exactly the same
@@thcdavies8479 it's a lot cleaner the houses are a lot nicer and there isn't burnt out cars in the fields . Spaghetti arms with the mask on would lose there bike here mate for sure
If you know anything about the kray twins? In your answer apparently not, you’d know they ruled their patch of London and the richardsons ruled theirs.If anyone did anything on their patch then look out as one said if they asked to see you it’s better you went of your own accord than them come looking for you they ruled by fear and their violent tendencies knew no end, these would be gansters wouldn’t last two mins with them fact.
It really isnt that bad on the ford, certainly no worse than other estates. You always get the odd few families bringing the place down. We bought our first home here and i couldnt of asked for a better place to move to. All the neighbours are really pleasant and all look out for each other, rarely see any anti social behavior. Ive came across the scrambler bikes twice and one time they even pulled over for me to walk past with my dog and apologised for being in the way. Theirs a social club on the estate a bit further up which runs different events on the evening i.e bingo etc. I moved from Seacombe ferry in wallasey and let me tell you that estate is by far much worse. Couldnt wait to move away from their constantly had my car vandalised and we kept ourselves to ourselves.
thats right m8 the ford was known as febb and the woody was webb and the nocky or noctorum was known as the nebb and was always at war with each other haha the good old days
Kids being bored on a council estate is nothing new ... They have choices ..educational courses ...music ....training and jobs ... If theres not much there , travel and find it ....its paradise in this country ...look around the world ...these kids need a kick up the arris ...
Brainwashed you mate, modern day slavery is what it is. Don't kid yourself.
For the decent hard working people and there are many, the FORD ESTATE IS HELL ON EARTH FACT , from someone who managed to get off it
I have hesitated posting a comment because I recognise I am from a different generation. I was brought up living on a council estate in Manchester in the 60’s. My parents worked for little money. My school was in Moss side. We were always with family sisters, grandparents, cousins not really mixing outside of this strong family. All my cousins and myself managed to pass the 11 plus. I wasn’t aware of drugs at that time. The council houses were an enormous help for poor families who had rented rooms in larger houses previously mainly owned by the Salford Jewish community who owned a lot of property. It breaks my heart to see what has happened in Manchester and Liverpool where there seems to have been a breakdown of families/extended families. Yes the youth of today may have nothing but they have so much more than the youth of the post war era. There was no benefits to talk of the either. So very sad.
I would've loved to have had the 11-plus when I was a kid, but it was gone when I was 11.
@@bubz3t136 I am sure you have done very well without the 11 plus. Some families had children that passed the 11 plus but couldn’t afford the uniform. It’s a credit to the teachers of my day that I passed because my parents had left school at 14 and couldn’t help with my homework. Thank you to teachers then and now who go the extra mile to help those with no help at home.
Webb febb pebb.all gang names in past .fords got plenty goin on .gym social club ..its down to what they want to do
i was a 70s 80s child not bragging we were so poor in south east london my dad hunted rabbits and deer for dinner a so called poacher i grew never in a gang never stabbed had a few fists fight etc these youths not all are under the influence of ganstarism bullshit they have more oppertunities and than i did back in the day but ha ho..
Very similar to my history dma .....inc the 11 plus
I find it so sad that literacy seems to be dropping
How the hell has that been allowed to happen ?
I moved on to the Ford 1970 a new house indoor toilets x2 and a bath. Loved the place. Great community spirit and some of the most beautiful people you would want to meet. I visit the Estate every Friday supported people with disabilities. I am always made welcome and feel safe as houses.
keep doing more of the wirral videos please billy it doesn’t get shown enough just how rough some of the areas in the wirral are
They need to go college go uni or get jobs .simple as that . My son was brought up on a council estate he didn't act like these lot .All down to parenting or lack of in these cases .
Most of the parents are on drugs so how can these kids learn wrong from right
@@Dave-ie2gq If you bothered to read my comment properly you'd see I put LACK OF PARENTING is the problem ..pay attention .
@@CobraKaiPoker-d9qwell if it's lack of parenting there obviously not getting steered in the direction of college etc so your first line is b#llocks
@@rawdog314 first line isn't bollox they do need to go college / uni or get jobs .
@@CobraKaiPoker-d9q well it is, if you've been brought up wrong and have had no guidance you end up in that life.
There's a reason there's hardly any stabbings and smack endemics in little middle class villages over the country,end of
Love watching the podcast billy 👍 I get what your saying but my 2 lads grew up in norrisgreen I know you familiar with the area and the pair of them are a credit to me got them into kick boxing at an early age and that taught them how to look after themselves and also discipline and manners !! Some of these kids would be like that even if they had a different background manners cost nothing and most of them don’t even have that imo.
The lad in the grey...absolute bellend!....”ford estate lad...d’ yer know warra mean lad!...live in the slums here lad...here’s the finger for yer lad....just imagine him being your son!...or in the future imagine if that was your dad...😱
Unfortunately it’s like this up and down the country 😞
THATS WERE FAILURES ARE THE PARENTS ,OUR BEAMING WITH PRIDE
The youth of Birkenhead and all over the country are in need of guidance and positive hobbies Football,Boxing , swimming , cricket things like that . The devil finds work for idle hands
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Don’t make excuses for those numb skulls....they’re beyond repair....
They need a slap.
And the parents need a slap.
Totally agree.
Thanks again for another great video Billy. I grew up on The Ford Estate in the 70s & 80s as the youngest of 8 children ( 10 of us in a 4 bedroom house but we though it was posh cos we had a downstairs toilet 😂) We lived in 48 Fairleaf Way opposite the one oclock gun pub where we had a birds eye view of the fights every Saturday night from our mum & dads bedroom window. The place was a real community back then & families really looked out for each other ( and each others kids ) I think the decline began when the heroin flooded onto the estate. People who we went to school with, who came from great familes got lured in by it all. There was not much to do around that time & you saw people you grew up with withering away through drugs. It was tragic to see the sporty lads from school who were brilliant footballers & always winning trophies turn into zombies before your eyes. The pretty girls who got sucked in soon lost their looks, dignity & in some cases their lives. The place was awash with addicts & it was indiscriminate, regardless of background. Some great families lost great kids to it & if I were to look back at an old school photo I’m pretty sure there’d be quite a lot of people from those times who are sadly no longer with us. We were fortunate as a family that we never got involved in any of it & I believe that this was a combination of having very strict Irish parents ( our dad would have killed us! ) & mates who lived in other places. There but for the grace of god go any of us though, it so easily could have been us too! I have some great memories of the place but some sad ones also. They did an article in the 80s about it called chasing the dragon ( If my memory serves me ) theres a picture of a load of teenage lads sitting on the grass right in front of our house. I knew them all but I reckon half of them are gone now 😢
Mad when the lad says it's the slums then when hes walking about it actually looks like a nice area.
Yeah it ain't the area its the people in it 😂
@@TheEpicLegendone car with smashed windows is brought to make it called a slim 😂honestly these are nothing compared to Eastern Europe or South America
@@JohnRambo-ky7okYh but they also ain’t kids running around in other country’s having gang war on the streets with guns for fun just cause the area doesn’t look rough go in and try saying something to them lad 🤣
@@callousjail447games4 Course there is pal. Look at Mexico. Chopping peoples swedes off and hanging them across the streets. Brazil . Africa , it’s happening all over the place. Even Ukraine where most of the “soldiers” are 16 or so and given guns to fight the Russians. I’m not saying that’s not a rough estate but I’m saying gun warfare happens all over the world. St Louis and West Baltimore plenty of violence. Most of these countries have way more gun crime than an estate in Birkenhead I’d say.
The youngsters make life hell for the rest of the decent people
These youngsters parents couldn't give a shite what their kids get up to as long as they're out of their way
Respect to you billy ,Shining the light on what's going on here in uk .
Birkenhead North has improved you should have seen it in the 80s
I was down there when they were filming awaydays. Couple of cockney fellas with the film crew couldn't believe how rough the blood tub and what was left of the river streets was. 🤣 all the kids off solway an that trying to sell them weed an bifters 🤣🤣
From the age of 12-18. 1978-1984 I used to box, first at the Birkenhead A.B.C. Then the West Wirral A.B.C. The reason I mention this is, due to an absolute diamond of a fella who went by the name of Herbie Harrison who was from the Ford Estate. But back in the day Herbie ran the Venture A.B.C. down Brassey Street down the North End. Tony, his son was a helluva boxer before he got badly injured, in a really horrible way. Me and Tony both boxed in a club behind the sacred bull pub in fazakerley on a Long Lane. A.B.C. show. Tony had a barnstormer of a fight with Tony Brown from Litherland A.B.C. who later fought Rocky Kelly in a British title eliminator at welterweight. Herbie Harrison. What a lovely man. He was a beacon of light. The Ford Estate should be proud of one of their own.🙏🥊❤️
Yes lad don't forget Robbie Riley and a few hard knocks from moreton the ollerheads. One of the best areas for boxers just a shame most of them lose themselves to drink or drugs
@@Dave-ie2gq Ya spot on with everything ya wrote. I left Birkenhead in 1989. I was on another slippery slope to the Big House.!
Top shout Herbie was a boss fella and his lads the same , Tony had a promising career before his accident in the corner club xxx
@@aimeeballard1382 I met Tony at the Liverpool Stadium regional A.B.A.’s shortly after. It broke me heart. He most definitely would have gone a long way in the amateurs and the pros. P.S. I love the way ya say it as ya see it, going by your previous comments. You ain’t backing down to anyone. Take care Aimee 🙏
Herbie was my mates grandad .
Ex Bizzy wrote a book called chasing the dragon about being drug squad when heroin was ripping through all these areas you’ve been visiting in Birkenhead Bill. Excellent read, thoroughly recommend
I lived on The Ford estate when it first opened. I worked at the Corsair pub and at the One O'Clock Gun. I left for Australia in 1974. Sad to see what's happened to The Ford.
In the old days people respected each other, now these scum bags ruin it for everyone
You got out just in time mate... It was a smack filled hole in the 80s and coke fiends in 90s... Now it's just pointless gutter scumbags that are horrible humans for no real reason. The third generation of hopelessness
Woodchurch Ford nocturum Leasowe, large areas of the Wirral were built to house the overspill from Birkenhead which also spread out into Tranmere Rockferry new ferry, parts of Pensby or even a small area of west Kirby. bromborough and Eastham also have areas like this.
So damn tough they have to go round dressed in hoodies and balaclavas. 🔔 Ends
Hide identity from tha feds ye bellend Ur clearly not from Merseyside
There was nothing for kids in my area when I was their age but I didn’t act like a clown.
Where your parents crack or heroin users ? A lot of these kids parents are
Good people are good people no matter their surroundings obviously its easier to be pushed a certain way but respect for ya self and other is built into ya own self awareness
Charlie Landsborough mural in the video!
Magic thanks Bill. 🤠 🎸
It’s easy to blame the youth but from my experience not always but most of the time it’s bad parents that create bad kids.
Vermin usually breed Vermin.
Not always the case !
Bill you need to come to Caldy Village, the Ruffians here are outrageous !!
I actually saw a young Lad pick up some litter outside Hickory,s the other Day!!
What's the World coming to Lar?......................................
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Riding round on stolen bikes. Some poor guy worked hard for it.
How do you know they aren’t bought with drug money ya plumb
That place actually looks very decent I guess it’s the people that ruin it for everyone else this all starts with the parents who don’t give a shit that’s passed down to the kids then they have kids and it goes on and on
I have a copy..it was based on my mates brother who flooded the estate with smack when it hit the streets of Wirral.
True, FEBB was Ford Estate, WEBB was Woodchurch estate, NEBB was the North End. The Noctorum Estate was known as the 'Nocky'.
NEBB...north end bad boys. was originally north end bother boys but as time went on it changed. then you have the febb and webb, ford estate and Woodchurch estate. the north was the original goes back as far as the 1960s when illchester square was up. NEBB1💪🏻
My missus is from Liverpool and she always told me Birkenhead was posh 😂
I grew up on this estate bill and its good to hear other peoples opinions like yours great chanel and good content lid
Imagine a few families having picnics or BBQs on those lovely grassy areas. And big groups of kids getting together and having a game of football. Or a local band playing from the back of a lorry. Someone should organise such things and create more of a community feel.
Carlsberg dont do pipe dreams mate, that ain't ever happening. We had f k all growing up but good advice. Get a job or get out of this house, it worked well for me and my siblings.
There can't all be winners in life, there will always be and always has been people who are simply at the bottom of the pile in life, you can't save em, is it there fault? Probably not, but it ll never change its all part of the rich tapestry of life, love Woolander.❤❤❤
I grew up on the Ford in 3rd Avenue and used travel to Beirut (6th to 8th Avenue) quite often. that was in the early 80s when unemployment was very high, heroin was rife and lots of cars being burnt out, houses being raided etc. I fondly look back at the 6th Ave Kwik Save, it started off as a brick building but due to all the ram raids and sledgie attack it became metal almost. I loved the Ford though, especially the Youthie.
I remember the Ford being built. It was to house people from places like ILLCHESTER Square in Birkenhead West End, which really was rough, I'm sure it even had a pub called the Blood Tub!
The Febb, Webb, and Nebb were skinhead gangs "MODS" years ago, with conflict against each other. There was a gang called the Vickers just after that time, and I saw them attack Purple Aki with walking sticks in Birkenhead town centre
It really was a lot worse in the 80s bill. You might not believe it from what you've seen but when the heights were up and the jiggers open 7th/8th av were truly no go area's.
One thing that we had back then was a bit a community, I think that's gone now. But seriously it's been cleaned up a lot. 😂
Ye it was well worse back then but people had straighteners and there where no guns. You made a name with fists and the world was a safer place
What about the smack? Did the fact that 7th/8th were practically no go areas and 15 year old kids were raveraged by smack not happen?
@@michaelcattrell2407 no guns in them days tho and you generally knew who the hard knocks where and as long as you kept yourself to yourself you wouldn't get any trouble aside from your car stereo or video TV being nicked. Now you get stabbed or shot as an innocent
I'll agree there sadly there are innocent people being caught up in the shite that's happening, as high profile cases indicate. But to say it's normal is not true. - I feel perfectly save walking round Liverpool of a night. 43 years on Merseyside, 14 of them In Liverpool and in some of the toughest areas.... Never had a problem....
I'd also say that inoccent people have always been targeted for crimes. Desperate addicts after an easy touch. It's definitely nothing new. It's just more in your face due to everyone having 24/7 access to instant news.
We lived in 7th avenue for 53 years billy were still on the estate now my mum and dad brought 9 of us up on the estate and I have 7 brothers and 1 sister and none of us took drugs, and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.
I'm from Liverpool Kenny had a cousin from there years ago remember going them cages for a game of footy maybe 1990 it was rough then but I think anywhere u go the youngsters are rough I would of said Kenny was worse
Interesting watching this vid Billy. Im going to subscribe.
I no two families who live there and they are the most respectful families just takes a few bad kids to intimate everyone I grew up in north end in tee street loved it
70's Bill Woodchurch ( Webb) was the place to avoid.Then the brown epidemic hit and hit the ford ( Febb) hardest.It then became the place to avoid,making national press more than a couple of times.Noctorum boys were the Nebb...ECT.North end was unbelievably rough.Although in the last 15 years, still iffy but has been cleaned up.Birkenhead has some great history and years ago worked hard for its own identity, obviously being so close to Liverpool.Trouble is now,too many folks from Birkenhead.Like telling people they are from the Wirral 🤦🏻♂️ffs. Fakers,snobbs.Birkenhead is getting lost as an historical working class town.You were born where you were born 👊.Great podcasts Bill,keep em coming.
The Ford had FABB, not FEBB, were the 'A' stood for area; the 'E' stood for estate. Other groups were the LEBB (Leasowe); MABB (Moreton); SEBB (Seacombe); WEBB (Wallasey). Not sure if Poulton, Ballantyne, or other parts of Birkenhead etc. had their own.
There were frequent scraps between members and tagging of property in each other's estate. I grew up in Leasowe and recall lads going to the railway line behind Oxley and Henry Meols schools and having fights. If you go to the bridge over the River Fender, there is graffiti still denoting Moreton's boundary. Sherriff being the name of the leader of MABB. I recall a SEBB tag in Stuart Avenue in Moreton with SEBB and a wall in Wallasey Village at the end of Marlwood Avenue and Leasowe Rd. with LEBB.
morning billy have good day, even though your scoucer, it takes some balls doing what ya doing interesting content, I doubt I could do that especially, with my wooly accent ha
I once went in a shop in croxteth and was buying foil, n there was a que gathering so I put on a scouce accent and sounded like a druken birkinheader lol
Totally agree with you how are used to be in Birmingham. I live in Liverpool now unless all the community centres are closed. There’s nowhere for them to go. I grew up in the 80s 70s new used to have places you could play snooker youth club now they’ve all gone it’s gonna get worse 🙏🏽😱
Where did he get that accent from,
Bill, why didn't you tell him he's appropriating are lingo.
What happened to the old, I'm roasting for a smoke accent ???
I took a bus to Birkenhead and wandered around the town centre for about 15 minutes and went back home lol
You're right Billy. The arrogance of youth eh?
That's not a slight on the kids today because I was exactly the same at that age.
It usually takes hurt,loss and pain before a decision to change is made but fair play for making the effort.
Stands in front of a huge playground full of rides and says "there`s f-all for kids to do around here"🤣
I was born on the Ford in the 80s when Smack started.. I av great Friends from there who I went too school with.. it’s Dangerous because there’s no one to look up too on the estate enymore Football wise Boxing wise to Guide the youth..Sad
Another top watch Billy you can understand why the youths turn to crime no jobs no future no hope sad state of affairs Billy
Talk sense.
I love watching you videos on the areas/estates in Liverpool…Keep them coming lad 🙏👍❤️
This is not liverpool never say that again
Never say what again?? All I said was I liked his videos about the areas of Liverpool…I’ll say what I want it’s my opinion
@@scottcargill4673 ye lad, what he's tryna say is Birkenhead ain't Liverpool
Hat off to ya ,felt the atmosphere 👍
Rough as toast, point is Bill mate most estates and communities don't have any youth clubs, I fully agree with you a lot of the way our kids and futures for majority of teens isn't Rosie. We invest in major foreign criminals who are literally milking our system. Which in turn is robbery to our communities, be that in Liverpool, up here now pal is I dare say as bad if not worse . Respect Billy. It'd be great to go to Everton v Newcastle with ya! Followed you since Janes English pod read ya first book, need to make time to read your second one! Respect Billy 👊
In the days of febb, each Ave, would build the tallest bonfire each year. In the months building up to Nov 5th. Some kids from different Aves would raid others stashes of wood stock. That's when the raids would start with the older kids of 15. The centre pole of each bonfire was traditionally cut down from the woods behind the old Ford towers which are both now sadly gone. One year, an old yellow council flat bed was sent to each avenue to confiscate our hoards. 1st Ave set fire to their wood on the van and got it back. Nice one Tommy Mcsnott and Goober for that saved bonny night. Good old 80's.
I lived on the Ford from 76 to 96, family are still there. I was an 8th Ave lad and remember Bonny Nights, and the weeks building up to it so well. 8th Ave and 7th Ave collaborated in their collections of bonny wood, which wasn't always wood, it was anything that would burn. P*ssy mattresses, bags of rubbish, prams, car tires, the fences and doors from the flats they were knocking down, whatever we could get our grubby little hands on. Then it would be dossed in the empty bin shed and garages in 8th and 7th Ave. And we would guard it from the other little b*stards from 6th and 5th Aves out to rob our bonny wood. And yes the council would come round and try and take it for the council bonfire. I remember them getting bricked by the kids and having to f*ck off empty handed.
And yes going up Biddy (Bidston) Hill for the center pole. Kids with hand axes and nobody even stopped or questioned us. Then 20 or 30 kids, like Egyptians, would cut down and transport a huge tree through the estate. Hauling and chanting. Rolling it on logs. Branches cut off and carried by the littler kids.
Then we'd get the to the Bull Ring, a circle of glass strewn gravel that was meant to be a kids play area. It was right next to One O'clock pub. So your Dad could watch you and have a pint. A hole would be dug, the center pole raised and held in place by supporting logs. We were f*cking little engineers. The Bull Ring bonny was the biggest and best on the estate for years, you can say what you like, but i know the truth.
The Bull Ring was packed on Bonny Night and it was all organised by us kids. People chucking spuds wrapped in foil into the multiple mini fires that sprung all around. The Gun must have made a killing that night. And the explosions of aerosols in the bags of rubbish we'd have chucked on. Yes 8th Ave bonny night in 80's were great times.
The Ford FEBB, woodchurch the WEBB, moreton the MABB, hoylake west Kirby, Hawk 👍
I was brought up on the ford me, on 5 ashwood court in 80s early 90s when they were doing the estate up and changed its name from ashwood to beachwood. The cages their by the shop was when I lost my virginity 😂 mad estate bk then. Hasn’t changed much when I went bk in 2014, part from the two pubs that were their were knocked down. Brings back memories seeing this! As a 5yr old I drone a dumper truck through gardens on the ford at the end of the 80s poss 1990! The memories 😂
I’m off the Ford bill, it’s a great estate but when it comes to investing in its youth it’s non existent! It’s as if you don’t exist but when the young kids start kicking off it’s a problem!! Councils need to invest in the estates and show them young people growing up what they can be other than resulting to crime l.
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Council are lining their own pockets same as in Liverpool, ffs you can’t even get basic services like your bin emptied properly in Liverpool. Councils are corrupt and Liverpools labour council has been like that for decades back to Derek Hatton and probably others before him.
Billy your a good man, trying to reach out to the youth, but will they listen, probably not, until it's too late, banged up or in a grave,I blame the government, it's the same all over UK.. EVEN IF ONE LISTENS YOU'VE DONE YOUR JOB LAD..❤
In the late 70s early 80s The Ford Estate was known as the Giro, everyone was on the dole. If was rife with crime, high rise flats, a no go area. The council changed the name some years ago to The Beachwood but nothing has changed, only the name. Birkenhead North was even worse back in the day, even the pub there was called The Blood tub.
Played dart's in the blood tub,was walking past a while later telling my friend it had a bad rep but I thought the people were great,with that as we got in line with the door a barstool came through the window and landed right in front of us.😂😂😂
@@stevep9739 haha, sounds about right.
It’s a mad place the ford. My arl girl lives on 3rd ave and never has any issues. Road is full of families or elderly. 2 roads over my sister has had bomb disposal at the flats 😅
5th AVE? 😂
@@Dave-ie2gq yeah man 😂
I live in birkenhead and i appreciate what you're doing
i really enjoy the last few podcast bill showing birkenhead place well changed
If any where in the country that needs support it is the WIRRAL BIRKENHEAD WOODCHURCH THE BEECHWOOD ONCE THE FORD ESTATE people still see it as the FORD ESTATE
Your either good or bad in life it's as simple as that Billy some people have nothing and make the best out it they can thanks for your time Billy
Come on Billy who are these knobs that you’re talking too.This is just an everyday rundown Council Estate on the Dark side.
I was seeing some bird off that estate many moons ago, was so so rough, and Ive lived in bootle, county road, nogsy and page moss, and that ford estate is rougher than them all
Lier
@@MAC-mo9cj child, who cant spell liar
@@MAC-mo9cj weird that you think someone could be bothered lying about that
What's weird about it?. I dont think it is rougher than them areas at all. That's why I said it. Probably some jedi making it up.
@@MAC-mo9cj 😂 ‘some Jedi making it up’ hahaha what would anyone have to gain by making that up hahaha proper weird thing to say
Read "Awaydays" about a firm from Tranmere talks all about those estates
Should carry copies of your book, hand them out and bet it would break the ice more
Half of them can't read!
Right by the North End station there was a pub nicknamed the blood tub.....................played darts in there on a Monday/Thursday night. Boss boozer got its nickname from yesteryear when the docks were active and sailors from all around the world would drink and scrap. There's a wolrd in action documentary on here from the 80s called Tee Street not working...........thats when the Northend the Ford, Nocky, Woody and Leasowe were really bad. They stopped busses going through the Ford and make them still, go around it to this day.
Leasowe never been bad ever x
The kings dock
Sound area da ford everyone looks after each other if ya from Der 💯
Remember the gypo’s getting chased out from the Ford
Bill, bet you didnt know the Ekky Seagulls are one of Brighton's main firms
Liverpool actuslly looks quite tame and the estates look fairly decent compared to alot of other places round the uk ive seen
That’s not Liverpool that.
It's not Liverpool.
He's there in the daytime go back at night
they're wools m8- like yourself
@@TC-vo7wd The term woolly back was invented when Birkenhead was a thriving town and Liverpool was just fields and in Liverpool wool was transported by people on their backs. Do some history you muppet, scousers are the real woolly backs 😂
When i used to hardcore heaven and helter skelter at sanctuary milton keynes the birkers where running tings in the rave
Watch me do a wheelie billy lad
It’s Billy with a Y 😂
That's all they do all day long, you hear them whizzing by sayin,
I can do a wheelie, I can do a wheelie, I can do a wheelie !!!
arh well, tiny minds and all that.
Why blame the government blaim there mothers
It's way past the blaming phase, this is down to a deeper generational problem,
the way these kids act today, is just part of who they are, they don't know any better.
And it's sad, that the government or the adults don't seem to put any stock into the kid's welfare,
the government only decides to step in when things go wrong, reactive policing through a reactive policy.
Kids should never be excluded and left to their own devices,
and this has been happening in cities for at least two generations.
How can you spell blame right the first time then in the exact same sentence you spell it wrong😂blame the education system 🤦🏻♂️
What mothers lol
You can't blame people's fucking mothers, most people's mothers tried there absolute best and anyone in the streets or prison will tell you the same, pieces of shit sat behind your safe screen.
0:06 know the woody and ford billy..peace out bud❤️🇬🇧💯 0:43
Hiya Billy, Have you got any Lollies, Raspberries, or Ski Goods going spare? ;-) Lol.
Leccy bikes cost 2 to 3 grand so how do they pay for them?
never heard of the febb but the woodchurch was called the webb,
Febb, Webb & the Nebb apparently
@@theallornothingpodcastwith4442febb lol,, sounds like something you throw into a cement mixer,🤣🤣febbmix.
and the PEBB - Prenton Estate, i was from the woody in the sixties, if you got caught on the wrong estate you got your head kicked in! happy days!
@@MegaNeil1955 never heard of it, ive heard the nebb which was the Noctorum estate,,, but febb and pebb no,, the woodchurch had a logo of a spiders web and webb written above it,, the woodchurch must be the originals of the ebbs. ha ha
i delivered alpine there in 82 and it was bad then nothing has changed
Going off the video it doesn't even look bad. Its hardly Rio or Chicago is it
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Sick of hearing there's nothing to do, it's bollocks, theres loads to do if you want to, cadets, Duke of Edinburgh awards, sports clubs, volunteer work, paid work.. go to Irish villages or Welsh villages where there is even less to do and the kids dont act like wannabe gangsters.. parents, schools and a liberal system are to blame for these wasters.
Grew up there. It was sound.
Wow what a shit hole
I was born on the woody an lived there until I was 8 years of age
On 6th Ave
Anyone wonder why I now live permanently in Australia
I had a lucky escape
Worked on there in 86 doing a yts putting the central heating in when the copper pipes hadn't been grafted😂
Birkenhead is a good place it's just the people,go to rock ferry that's a good place and the Woodchurch it's brill
Why blame the government for you being a scruff, it should make you want to do better to get away from there..they will just end up popping out kids and being exactly the same
Says alot when they hide their faces and need to carry knives in a group. Mentally weak
Looks better than I remember.
Nice shoots of the areas
They won't change, they will always be trouble for any that come across them sadly billy.
should have seen it in the eightys i worked there six months on a contract puttin in new windows.
"Heavy round here" try the south bronx and tell me its "heavy.🤣
Oh Birkenhead is wonderful oh Birkenhead is wonderful
Just found your site from a garston lad great show
It's actually nicer than some parts of Gateshead in the north east 😂
How can u tell from these short clips
@@thcdavies8479 it's a lot cleaner the houses are a lot nicer and there isn't burnt out cars in the fields . Spaghetti arms with the mask on would lose there bike here mate for sure
The kray twins would have a field day with these little feral scroats!
What bummin them?
If you know anything about the kray twins? In your answer apparently not, you’d know they ruled their patch of London and the richardsons ruled theirs.If anyone did anything on their patch then look out as one said if they asked to see you it’s better you went of your own accord than them come looking for you they ruled by fear and their violent tendencies knew no end, these would be gansters wouldn’t last two mins with them fact.
@@user-0f1t5m1ftr On yr little bike about as lowkey as a plane crash
@@user-0f1t5m1ftr you sound like a girl. Literally.
@@user-0f1t5m1ftr Are you a bird?
How many psychologists does it take to change a lightbulb?
One. But the lightbulb must want to change.
Keep trying Billy.
The Ford Estate always has been hell on earth , simple
Thank God I grew up in Oxton.
Oxton tory Town full of snobs
It really isnt that bad on the ford, certainly no worse than other estates. You always get the odd few families bringing the place down. We bought our first home here and i couldnt of asked for a better place to move to. All the neighbours are really pleasant and all look out for each other, rarely see any anti social behavior. Ive came across the scrambler bikes twice and one time they even pulled over for me to walk past with my dog and apologised for being in the way. Theirs a social club on the estate a bit further up which runs different events on the evening i.e bingo etc.
I moved from Seacombe ferry in wallasey and let me tell you that estate is by far much worse. Couldnt wait to move away from their constantly had my car vandalised and we kept ourselves to ourselves.
thats right m8 the ford was known as febb and the woody was webb and the nocky or noctorum was known as the nebb and was always at war with each other haha the good old days