@@Festoniaful Same here! But lord *knows* that took quite some time for Bodie to reach that spot. Never forgot what he did to Wallace but the show does a terrific job at having you grow attached to the character.
@@monadreher2428 The conversation with Herc and the Grandmother in season 1 helps in Bodie's case, you get a sense of what drove him in to the streets being a bit more complex than someone who gets involved for a quick buck
@@neilbiggs1353 Tbh the conversation with Herc and Bodie's grandmother made Herc stand out more to me than Bodie although I'm not disagreeing that insight into Bodie's background is obviously gained as well. It's just finding that out about Bodie did nothing to make me like his behind 😂😂😂 Bodie reminded me of so many roughnecks that I disliked him immediately 😂😂😂😂 Just always so loud and doing the most which I'm sure was intentional on the shows part. Then the ending of Season 1 did not help matters at all. Over the course of the series did I start to grow attached to Bodie as he started to grow up. Then on rewatches the love for him just grew and grew. Bodie does a *horrible* deed most definitely but he isn't a scumbag and it's worth noting that at the beginning of the series he's also a child. Bodie went from one of the more easy to dislike/hate characters to one of the ones I found myself subconsciously rooting for as time went on. Not too many shows can do that if at all. The Wire is forever goated.
@ A phrase I used in another reply about the Wire is that for many 'villains', you can also make arguments for how they are victims (of circumstance, of their community/society, of their family), and that makes it easier to see how they became what they did. Bodie clearly lacks role models, so you start to see the influence Stringer has on him in this season
The poetic power in this show is what I love the most, especially when it comes to the deaths of certain characters. Dee constantly said he felt like he couldn't breathe being in the game. So when he finally decides to leave the game, he is strangled. Poetry!!!
By ready to snitch on them? Nah he was weak if he was really strong and stood up to them he would of got out of jail in season one told Avon and his mom he was done and stood on it. Let's stop making cowards look like victims heros and good guys.
That scene with Bodie in the flower store sure has layers to it. The fact that the florist in the city has a special section for gang related deaths. Bodie not knowing how to feel about Dee dying, but he is feeling something. And even he shuts that feeling down like Avon did. Thankfully Dee doesn't know all the BS being talked about behind his back, now that he is gone. The scene where Nick sets that Frog straight about being white, reminds me of J-rock from the Trailer Park Boys. Those who know, know. Also, I think Stringer wasn't always a snake like that. In season 1 we saw that he was more or less Avon's yes man, who supported Avon's power with his brains. But with Avon out of the picture for over a year, Stringer is really becoming more and more of a snake. This guy always thinks that he is doing the right moves, but to me it seems that in the streets, what's technically right isn't always wise or respected. He is a pragmatists, while people like Avon or even Omar, work on their word, their name and their reputation. And on the flip side of this, Daniels is seeing that ambition and the right thing don't go hand in hand either. The technically right thing for Daniels to do would be to climb the career ladder, make friends, get paid and so on. And yet in his case, the deeper need to do right by community, people, victims and so on, will always have him stuck in some off site, basement or lower rank. Frank is the main target here for the cops, but he is such a complex character. He gets his hands dirty for the community, he speaks harsh truths, and he obsessively cares about keeping the docks alive. Just like Daniels and Stringer, Frank is also doing what he sees as the Right thing, and while his motives are altruistic in nature, he is still working with the biggest scum we have seen in the show so far. So the show really puts emphasis on different characters doing what is either logically or emotionally right, and to a varying degree, putting others at risk for it.
Actor playing Frank Sobotka is amazing. So next level, he somehow manages to stand out in a cast like this, which is mind blowing. Man I love this tv show.
21:15 - Great point, James! The writers were, in their typically nuanced fashion, examining the pros and cons of automation. We see Frank's concern for his workers and the industry at large, and we feel for him, yet not too much later we see the cost of doing things the old way when New "Tilt" Charles loses his leg.
@@JamesVSCinemaThe way the show explores its themes through character drama is astounding, and Frank is one of the best examples! Have a good holiday my dude.
So rare these days, to find a boss who actually cares about the welfare of his people. America has fallen a long way by worshiping the almighty buck. When did money become more important than humanity?
I get that it sucks to see your job and way of life disappear but like. Are we supposed to feel bad for typewriter repair men? Or coal miners in a decade? Or whatever other job becomes obsolete? I don’t expect someone like Frank to accept it, but he has to know deep down that it’s going to happen regardless. He needs to be pushing for crane repair certifications for his boys, or anything else to help them land good, because it’s happening one way or another.
@@magicbrownie1357Frank doesn’t care about his people the right way. He SHOULD want better for his son and nephew, not to be doing the same dangerous work he did. But he does care. He’s just focused on the wrong thing imo. He’s a good man, but lets his rose colored glasses distort his view.
Loved the epilogue about the water & Gods, and how layered the whole story is. Touched on a few things that run for the whole series. Really enjoying this series of reactions. Locked in.
Listen, I like Breaking Bad, Sopranos, etc. as much as the next guy. But this show stands heads and shoulders above everything else. They all have compelling storylines, great writing and great, 3-Dimensional characters. But The Wire goes a step further and slowly dissects the inner workings of a modern society, one individual at a time. The way all the seasons, storylines and characters come together in the end to paint a full picture of what's wrong with our society, how the different players interact and how politics affects the people on the street is just unbelievable and second to none. No other show even attempts this kind of thing, and The Wire pulls it off effortlessly. It's simply the best show in the history of television.
I love those intro scenes. Some of my favorite scenes in this show are intro scenes. They're usually not necessary to move the plot forward, but they're like nice little strokes of paint that contribute to the big picture.
The thing about Rawls that’s maybe not super obvious yet is that he actually is really really smart, one of the smartest in the show. He’s just a raging malignant arsehole who has let his ambition take all precedence. He is Daniels if Daniels threw away his conscience.
@@PodcastClips23969 I've seen both. Watched NYPD Blue back in the day and I absolutely love The Shield. With that said neither of those shows are topping The Wire at all. Although both are definitely great in particular The Shield which is imo a top 10 show of all time.
Your comment about Prez and Kima being seen watching the girls that close: David Simon said in all the surveillance scenes the cops are way closer than they would be in real life but it would have been too hard to film the shots if they were as far away as they really would be.
@@ironmike5812 Why does this have to be explained is my question 😂😂😂😂 Clearly the events happening on the screen are being *filmed* Like what in the world
D'Angelo ended up in the game for the same reason Nick and Ziggy ended up working on the docks - Avon and Frank both have one idea of what the family business is, and can't see any other possibilities for their family, probably because that is how they were raised. It's one of the interesting things about the show in that for many the 'villains', you can also define them as victims
In the song 'Pancho and Lefty' by Townes Van Zandt there is the lines 'But Pancho met his match, you know. In the deserts down in Mexico. Nobody heard his dying words. That's the way it goes'. Always kinda affected me somehow, just the idea of no one hearing your dying words. What came to mind when you were talking about D'Angelo. Funnily enough, I actually prefer the cover version of the song by Steve Earl and he plays the part of the drugs councillor in The Wire.
There are genuinely tragic characters in The Wire, as well portrayed as any, anywhere. Characters who, whether by inherent flaws or external circumstances, or a combination of both, are doomed to play out the role ordained for them. I won’t name names but some of them are in this series.
Avon isn’t the boss because he’s smart. He’s the boss because he’s pragmatic and violent. Which are good traits to have in the job he has, but they don’t make him smart. If he were smart he’d be following string out of the streets and in to legal ventures and leave the street shit to the kids
There is very little about AI as it is currently implemented -- particularly in work that requires creativity -- that is good. Fear of nerds has brought the US to this point; don't chicken out with that "AI is fine" jazz now.
I loved Wallace..... And yet, I think Bodie ended up being my favorite at some point. Now that it's been YEARS, I'm curious to see how I see things now.
The fact that the actors for Frank and Nick are literally almost the same age but the actor that plays Frank looks soooo much older is hilarious to me.
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You know the writing is incredible when you absolutely love a character like Bodie... The kid who murdered Wallace in cold blood
My favourite character, but he's not a good guy
@@Festoniaful Same here! But lord *knows* that took quite some time for Bodie to reach that spot. Never forgot what he did to Wallace but the show does a terrific job at having you grow attached to the character.
@@monadreher2428 The conversation with Herc and the Grandmother in season 1 helps in Bodie's case, you get a sense of what drove him in to the streets being a bit more complex than someone who gets involved for a quick buck
@@neilbiggs1353 Tbh the conversation with Herc and Bodie's grandmother made Herc stand out more to me than Bodie although I'm not disagreeing that insight into Bodie's background is obviously gained as well. It's just finding that out about Bodie did nothing to make me like his behind 😂😂😂 Bodie reminded me of so many roughnecks that I disliked him immediately 😂😂😂😂 Just always so loud and doing the most which I'm sure was intentional on the shows part. Then the ending of Season 1 did not help matters at all. Over the course of the series did I start to grow attached to Bodie as he started to grow up. Then on rewatches the love for him just grew and grew. Bodie does a *horrible* deed most definitely but he isn't a scumbag and it's worth noting that at the beginning of the series he's also a child. Bodie went from one of the more easy to dislike/hate characters to one of the ones I found myself subconsciously rooting for as time went on. Not too many shows can do that if at all. The Wire is forever goated.
@ A phrase I used in another reply about the Wire is that for many 'villains', you can also make arguments for how they are victims (of circumstance, of their community/society, of their family), and that makes it easier to see how they became what they did. Bodie clearly lacks role models, so you start to see the influence Stringer has on him in this season
The poetic power in this show is what I love the most, especially when it comes to the deaths of certain characters. Dee constantly said he felt like he couldn't breathe being in the game. So when he finally decides to leave the game, he is strangled. Poetry!!!
Avon called Dee weak, but he wasn't weak. He had a conscience, and he had enough strength to stand up to his family.
By ready to snitch on them? Nah he was weak if he was really strong and stood up to them he would of got out of jail in season one told Avon and his mom he was done and stood on it. Let's stop making cowards look like victims heros and good guys.
Nah he betrayed his family and his family business and snitched on them. Definitely a weak rat that had to go.
That scene with Bodie in the flower store sure has layers to it. The fact that the florist in the city has a special section for gang related deaths. Bodie not knowing how to feel about Dee dying, but he is feeling something. And even he shuts that feeling down like Avon did. Thankfully Dee doesn't know all the BS being talked about behind his back, now that he is gone.
The scene where Nick sets that Frog straight about being white, reminds me of J-rock from the Trailer Park Boys. Those who know, know.
Also, I think Stringer wasn't always a snake like that. In season 1 we saw that he was more or less Avon's yes man, who supported Avon's power with his brains. But with Avon out of the picture for over a year, Stringer is really becoming more and more of a snake. This guy always thinks that he is doing the right moves, but to me it seems that in the streets, what's technically right isn't always wise or respected. He is a pragmatists, while people like Avon or even Omar, work on their word, their name and their reputation. And on the flip side of this, Daniels is seeing that ambition and the right thing don't go hand in hand either. The technically right thing for Daniels to do would be to climb the career ladder, make friends, get paid and so on. And yet in his case, the deeper need to do right by community, people, victims and so on, will always have him stuck in some off site, basement or lower rank.
Frank is the main target here for the cops, but he is such a complex character. He gets his hands dirty for the community, he speaks harsh truths, and he obsessively cares about keeping the docks alive. Just like Daniels and Stringer, Frank is also doing what he sees as the Right thing, and while his motives are altruistic in nature, he is still working with the biggest scum we have seen in the show so far. So the show really puts emphasis on different characters doing what is either logically or emotionally right, and to a varying degree, putting others at risk for it.
Actor playing Frank Sobotka is amazing. So next level, he somehow manages to stand out in a cast like this, which is mind blowing. Man I love this tv show.
Chris Bauer. I'm with you, he's a fantastic character actor. I can't recall ever seeing him be less than great.
@@iDEATH I don't know his acting history, but he FEELS like a seasoned stage actor to me.
21:15 - Great point, James! The writers were, in their typically nuanced fashion, examining the pros and cons of automation. We see Frank's concern for his workers and the industry at large, and we feel for him, yet not too much later we see the cost of doing things the old way when New "Tilt" Charles loses his leg.
One of my favorite aspects of Season 2 has to evolve all around the business and how it ties to Frank. Love this show!
@@JamesVSCinemaThe way the show explores its themes through character drama is astounding, and Frank is one of the best examples! Have a good holiday my dude.
So rare these days, to find a boss who actually cares about the welfare of his people. America has fallen a long way by worshiping the almighty buck. When did money become more important than humanity?
I get that it sucks to see your job and way of life disappear but like. Are we supposed to feel bad for typewriter repair men? Or coal miners in a decade? Or whatever other job becomes obsolete? I don’t expect someone like Frank to accept it, but he has to know deep down that it’s going to happen regardless. He needs to be pushing for crane repair certifications for his boys, or anything else to help them land good, because it’s happening one way or another.
@@magicbrownie1357Frank doesn’t care about his people the right way. He SHOULD want better for his son and nephew, not to be doing the same dangerous work he did. But he does care. He’s just focused on the wrong thing imo. He’s a good man, but lets his rose colored glasses distort his view.
Loved the epilogue about the water & Gods, and how layered the whole story is.
Touched on a few things that run for the whole series. Really enjoying this series of reactions. Locked in.
I know we only mid season 2, but I'm already hyped for James' reaction to season 3.
Listen, I like Breaking Bad, Sopranos, etc. as much as the next guy. But this show stands heads and shoulders above everything else. They all have compelling storylines, great writing and great, 3-Dimensional characters. But The Wire goes a step further and slowly dissects the inner workings of a modern society, one individual at a time. The way all the seasons, storylines and characters come together in the end to paint a full picture of what's wrong with our society, how the different players interact and how politics affects the people on the street is just unbelievable and second to none. No other show even attempts this kind of thing, and The Wire pulls it off effortlessly. It's simply the best show in the history of television.
After D got offed, Bodie became my favorite new front-line dealer. Something very real and relatable about his character.
I love those intro scenes. Some of my favorite scenes in this show are intro scenes.
They're usually not necessary to move the plot forward, but they're like nice little strokes of paint that contribute to the big picture.
S4E1 cold open..? Man!
@@a6ruledThat scene pretty easily cemented likely the show’s best side character
@@a6ruled Yep, exactly, that one! And also S3E11. Those scenes are masterpieces. Always a blast to re-watch them!
Chris Bauer(Frank Sobotka) is such a great actor in this show. Holy moly!
Loving your journey. And you still have yet to meet many of the best characters of the show.
The thing about Rawls that’s maybe not super obvious yet is that he actually is really really smart, one of the smartest in the show. He’s just a raging malignant arsehole who has let his ambition take all precedence. He is Daniels if Daniels threw away his conscience.
Your comments about Stringer’s intellect are very astute. Loving these reactions!
*ass toot
Its so awesome to watch you react to the REALEST series of all time.
Perfect choice of words homie
I don’t know about that, did you see NYPD Blue or the Shield ?
@@PodcastClips23969 I've seen both. Watched NYPD Blue back in the day and I absolutely love The Shield. With that said neither of those shows are topping The Wire at all. Although both are definitely great in particular The Shield which is imo a top 10 show of all time.
@@PodcastClips23969 Both epic shows. But The Wire is an Odyssey.
@@monadreher2428 Basically NO RUclips reactions to the seven The Shield seasons. It's a shame. It's such a gripping series. I was totally absorbed.
Your comment about Prez and Kima being seen watching the girls that close: David Simon said in all the surveillance scenes the cops are way closer than they would be in real life but it would have been too hard to film the shots if they were as far away as they really would be.
@@ironmike5812 Why does this have to be explained is my question 😂😂😂😂 Clearly the events happening on the screen are being *filmed* Like what in the world
D'Angelo ended up in the game for the same reason Nick and Ziggy ended up working on the docks - Avon and Frank both have one idea of what the family business is, and can't see any other possibilities for their family, probably because that is how they were raised. It's one of the interesting things about the show in that for many the 'villains', you can also define them as victims
In the song 'Pancho and Lefty' by Townes Van Zandt there is the lines 'But Pancho met his match, you know. In the deserts down in Mexico. Nobody heard his dying words. That's the way it goes'. Always kinda affected me somehow, just the idea of no one hearing your dying words. What came to mind when you were talking about D'Angelo. Funnily enough, I actually prefer the cover version of the song by Steve Earl and he plays the part of the drugs councillor in The Wire.
There are genuinely tragic characters in The Wire, as well portrayed as any, anywhere. Characters who, whether by inherent flaws or external circumstances, or a combination of both, are doomed to play out the role ordained for them. I won’t name names but some of them are in this series.
Frank, just one of the best character in the whole show. Right after Omar and Lester
I just watched the movie "Reptile" Herc was in it he was a dickhead cop in that too lol
Stringer is smart, but not as smart as he thinks he is. Avon is the boss for a reason.
Well, Avon wasn’t exactly too smart either
Avon isn’t the boss because he’s smart. He’s the boss because he’s pragmatic and violent. Which are good traits to have in the job he has, but they don’t make him smart. If he were smart he’d be following string out of the streets and in to legal ventures and leave the street shit to the kids
Textbook example of why games separate wisdom from intelligence
Well, I'd argue that Avon is smarter than Stringer, at least, but I can't do that without spoiling episodes James hasn't seen yet.
@@nrran6835”Just a gangster I ‘suppose.”
Pretty sure Frank is Tony Sopranos cousin from Maryland
Team Avon after this episode
No one dies well in this show
RIP D! Also Wallace - Stringer is a bad man.
There is very little about AI as it is currently implemented -- particularly in work that requires creativity -- that is good. Fear of nerds has brought the US to this point; don't chicken out with that "AI is fine" jazz now.
I loved Wallace..... And yet, I think Bodie ended up being my favorite at some point. Now that it's been YEARS, I'm curious to see how I see things now.
Your boy was too fierce for the pink?
TBf D was doing 20 years. Someone he knew was probably going to get with his girl.
I think Bodie's 14 in season 2
I thought he was like 17
@@Bighhead o I think you're right, my bad lol
while the actor was 25
Aww, man… good question… would Wallace have got a funeral? We met his mum I guess but I don’t know :(
No. Literally no one CARED about Wallace. Who would arrange it and pay for it?
Man , when he gets to Amy Ryan in the office.
Edit and Stringer too lol
Did you ever watch the Shield, it’s another cop show on FX, kinda like the Wire
339th.
The fact that the actors for Frank and Nick are literally almost the same age but the actor that plays Frank looks soooo much older is hilarious to me.
That's not true. Chris Bauer is 12 years older than Pablo Schreiber.
hey have u watched severance yet? You should, it has the potential of replacing mr robot as best show in a decade.
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