Geeze... I've been making records since the early 80's and seriously, I was hauling these monster amps, aligning tape into reel-to-reels, and working on enormous mixing consoles the size of a couch! Cables everywhere, stomp boxes scattered around, and effects gear for days - that's how we invented those sounds these modelers are recreating. I'm old-school and yeah I love the new tech! Totaly what I used to dream about while patching cables at 3am in the studio. Just blows my mind that we can now drag and drop with a finger what used to be a 45lb head and 65lb cab - What beautiful socery this is!!! Literally what I dreamed of back in the day. Pure magic! 🎸✨
Sure does. As I said, it's a cool unit, I just think it along with it's competitors are overpriced. All of these types of processors have what, maybe 5 years of support? In 10 years they're in landfills and/or Goodwill stores@@travismiller7679 Don't get me wrong, I'd love to live with one of these for a while, at least for the EVH tones. You gonna buy one?
Kids these days have it so easy. Back in my day we used to have to carry 2 guitar full stacks, an 8x10 ampeg bass stack, and a 7 piece drum kit with double kick drums up the venue stairs (both ways) to play a 15 minute grindcore set to 8 people (6 were in other bands playing that night and one was the sound guy).
You nailed it! We learned how to find our sound by buying heavy gear, blowing up amps and speakers, and scratching old records and learning songs from cassettes that were either played too slow or fast to get our tuning aligned with the songs we were learning. Never had RUclips to see what they were actually doing, etc. They have it so easy nowadays.
Funny how Neural just sent out an e-mail this morning talking about how they're lowering the price of the QC back down to $1,699... What a coincidence!
I will give Fender props for having the balls to try and compete with the current market. There's some very heavy hitters they're going up against. The Headrush Core, The Axe Effect III, The Helix, the Neural DSP Quad Cortex and Boss's new GX-100 to name a few. All have their uniqueness and price points. The Headrush Core has included vocal effects in addition to all the guitar specific stuff. Powerful tools for sure. Time will tell where, if at all, this thing fits. Let the games begin!
Well it made Neural DSP lower their prices as soon as this got released. So that tells you something. I just got a demo version from Sweetwater for 1445. So I can thank Fender for that lol
Hoping this move shakes things up and Kemper finally releases new hardware. I've seen a ton of bands use the Kempers live and they sound amazing. I guess at this point its really just preference because they're all getting so good.
@@sirefromtheshire Truer words have never been printed my friend. I have never used the Kemper, but I have watched the process of profiling an amp and the playback was spot on. An amazing piece of kit.
Although thi is really tempting, one thing that Ive learned during the 80s/90s rack era is that more options you have, the less you play cause you spend most of your time twisting knobs
Fender's been doing modelers in one way or another ever since they hired all the engineers that were behind Johnson Amplifiers and turned that technology into the Cyber Twin 20 years or so ago. Not like they're really a newcomer to the segment. Given that, this one has been a long time coming. Haven't had a chance to get seriously hands on with one yet, but knowing the folks behind it, I'm expecting it to be pretty competitive with the other units in its price range.
Who are these folks? Are they Fractal employees? Because thats the only company I've seen regularly refine what they already have, which is about everything, rather than only added more on top of a dumpster fire.
@@Guelireally !? The one I played at guitar center was pretty crap sounding. But then again I think my mustang v2 stereo head unit sounds killer, even if a tad bass heavy, is Rather have it there and turn it down then need it and not have it😂
Honestly the EVH stealth and a great fenders super reverb amp is all I wanted in a modeler amp wise. The unit itself is awesome. People complain about price but it’s brand new with a giant touch screen and the newest parts on the market. Why would anyone expect it to be cheap. I just hope Fender has a giant team working on it for constant updates.
It's the same price that the Helix is selling for now so I don't know what those people are complaining about. If I hadn't already spent an inordinate amount of time trying to make my Helix sound and feel like a fender, the TM Pro would be at my house now. I still think that Line 6 doesn't really understand "amp feel" so it's a good thing they included a lot of tools to make the Helix feel the way you want it to feel. Still, it's a lot of work getting it to where you want it and of course, the TM Pro's Fender models are still superior. I was going to say that it's probably due to the advances in technology but then I remembered that the original Mustang amps sounded and felt better than the Helix when they first came out and they preceded the Helix!
@@genenery9315 The Helix feel is always terrible. I love the Helix floor UI. I’ve had 3 and just get tired of the weirdness of the feel and sold them. If you’re playing chords and stuff you can’t tell but start digging into your guitar strings and it just always the same stiff nothing that feels fake.
@@schlagdog Well, I don't know what your approach to the Helix is like but I seem to have been able to make the Helix feel more to my liking. I don't really concern myself with whether it "feels like a real amp" or not. I just want it to respond the way I want it to respond. It took a LONG time to get it to this point though. Interestingly, the early Fender Mustangs, which predated the Helix, and the NuX MG30 felt far better than the Helix straight out of the box. It was the control limitations on both of those units that kept me from using them live. The MG30's ridiculously short throw on its expression pedal was maddening. Otherwise, it sounds great. On the Mustang I had created a preset using the Twin model that I called "Angry Twin". That model on that amp never did distort when you cranked the Gain. It just got more intense sounding with lots of attitude but no grit. It was very different sounding and I loved it. I haven't been able to replicate that sound since on any other device and I wish I could. Had a Mustang GTX100 for a while and I couldn't make it do that sound.
@@genenery9315 I’ve had 3 helix and still have native. The amount of time I’ve tried to get it to not feel weird is ridiculous. I just ended up giving up then thinking some of there new amp models would be different and they never are. I’m waiting for the new helix otherwise I would have already bought a fractal or the new tonemaster. If the helix comes out and is just an updated UI with more dsp without reworking the amps or adding a profiling feature I’ll finally be done with L6.
I have a Fender GTX combo. They use the same "software", have a basically "flat" speaker and stereo XLR outs. It sounds amazing and records crazy good. This whole platform made sense with the first Mustang amps I used prior to the GTX. Probably won't upgrade, just because I'm happy with the GTX price point. The Fender models are just sick.
I really liked the GTX100 that I had… this appears to be a huge upgrade from that for me due to the separation of this unit from the speaker and its touchscreen/knobs UI, I/O, and form-factor. This thing should be able to be utilized with a bass guitar, as well, if they add bass amp/cab/fx models in the near future and played through the frfr speakers. The GTX series of speakers were not designed to handle bass…
nice job Fluff - it does sound very good - some of the fractal guys started roasting it already (doesn't sound very good) for my ears it sounds very good - the interface is awesome
It smart fender getting into this because they have alot of evh artists who "use" there heads and stuff but just use Kemper or axe or quad behind the scenes so now they could just use this as long as it sounds as good as those
Preset 127 is called Studio Bass. It has a model of a rack tube preamp, so all you need is a third party IR or a power amp nad a real bass cab, if that's how you would use it, and you should be all set play your bass through the TM Pro. :)
@@judaspriestly88according to NDPS the price jumped because of inflated cost of components due to covid but now those prices have gone back down so the QC price dropped back to the original price. If I had to guess it had more to do with staying competitive. The QC is amazing by the way and I’ve never experienced any problems with it. Because modeling technology has come so far, the interface, routing and input output/options are what set different modelers apart and QC excels at all three. This fender unit might be the first to match what the QC has done in those areas.
I’ve seen sooooooooo many reviews for this pop up but I specifically looked for a review from Fluff because he is a guy that I 100%, without question, trust with these kinds of reviews.
Sounds good, surprised they didn't include any bass with the unit. The UI looks pretty good as well. One thing not feature in the video is the foot switches double as encoder knobs so you can twist/turn those to adjust things like amp settings. Overall, pretty impressive piece of gear and some competition in the space is always good for the consumer.
Bro I just had to tell Pete Thorn this you can do a comparative thing you know we can hear the different apps with the mic out in the room but to really hear the thing you got to run it straight to tape or maybe through a studio compressor and then straight to tape
I think the biggest selling points are that you can have official Fender and EVH amp models in the unit. They're not "copying" a sound of a competitor with these particular amps. They're officially modeled by the company because they are the company that makes them.
I’m not sure Fender has any advantage in making digital copies of their own tube amps just because they own the trademarks. The other companies obviously have access to those amps, and if anything, they’ve been in the digital modeling game for way longer
Preset 127 is called Studio Bass. It has a model of a rack tube preamp, so all you need is a third party IR and you should be all set play your bass through the TM Pro. :)
Just got an email last night that Neural was dropping the price of the QC. I do not think very many companies will do that, much less guitar gear ones... I do really dig some of the UI elements of this thing. Having the name of the paramater you are switching above the switch is awesome.
My unit produces hissing/grounded noise when plugged with auxillary cable. The same when it is connected to the mixer or amp. Do you think this is normal or a factory defect? My headrush doesnt have issue like this.
Love the way it sounds. I have one complaint. why does this unit not have the expression pedal on it or included? for $1,700 we would expect this unit to be more complete. If I bought one I would spend money on an aftermarket expression pedal those costs so much less.
The interface is cool but what is this bringing that the axe and helix arent already doing the same, and from what i've heard in this video, better? The price is mental considering the effects are no where near what Fender's competitors are offering at below this price point.
No bass gear modeled is a bummer for me. I've been waiting for someone to make a digital model of the Bassman 800 or the Rumble with their overdrive circuits. They have the best bass overdrive circuits I've heard and it would be nice to be able to not lug around bass rigs and just have them in a modeler. I figured if anyone was going to model them, it would be Fender.
Great review, really thought your wrap up comments were spot on. Fender competing in this market is going to force exisiting manufacturers to bring out the best for all consumers
Wow, the Tone Master Pro addresses a lot of the gripes that Quad Cortex owners have. Not sold yet on the sound quality I'm hearing in this video, but I'll be on the lookout to try one at a local music shop.
This will benefit metalheads the most. Tube amps containing enough rectifier tubes for metal saturation are always way too expensive, and probably worse now with inflation, so have a flight rig like this will benefit us quite well.
@@thisguy2973 Metal players (myself included) already have options like Quad Cortex, Axe-Fx, and Helix systems available to them which all sound great, and can convincingly replace their tube amps. The litmus test for the Tone Master Pro at this point is how it stacks up with flexibility and ease of use.
@@thisguy2973 what are you blabbing your mouth about??? 😂 Metal and "rectifier tubes" are two things that shouldn't be even considered in the same thought let alone sentence 😂😂😂 This is what happens when a wannabe cork sniffer wants to run his mouth about something he doesn't even understand 😂😂
What cortex gripes? I have one and I'm curious how this differs in a positive way? The main thing I noticed is the computer app. REALLY wish neural would release one already
Thank you for being one of the only dudes demoing this stuff that pledges to let us know how this compares to what is already out there. I feel like maybe you took one of my comments requesting that into consideration :D
Yeah okay, but having released one thing at some point 20 years ago doesn't exactly competitively put them on the market, whereas here with this they are right at the edge of technology with the rest of the currently relevant modelers
Great demo, and the unit does sound good. I’ve been down this road so many times. The problem, for me, with these all-in-one solutions is that they never do everything to my liking. Maybe the fuzz emulations suck. Add a fuzz pedal. Maybe the reverb is not to my liking. Add a reverb pedal. You get my point. Could this be the one? I’ll wait 6 months for the honest reviews and prices on used units to drop. Am I jaded? Yes, I am.
I have the fender mustang gtx100, a digital modeling combo amp that fender out about 3 years ago and it’s cool to see that this unit uses extremely similar layout designs and tone shaping ideas only for $500
sounds great to me. surprised you didn't try out a rectifier model, but i didn't really hear anything bad. and yes, appeals to older blokes like me for reasonably simple editing.
@@Yohahn no, it's not. Neural DSP has announced they've lowered the price of the QC to 1699 (euros and dollars). Also, the QC does more stuff, like capturing amps and pedals. Maybe in the future, Fender will add those features, but this is more expensive and does less stuff (less amps, too). I'm an HX Stomp guy, not a QC fan and i already know this...
Quite a lot to have 100 amps and however many built in pedals plus 4 FX loops? If my math is correct that comes out to about $17 US per amp... Quite a lot? 😄
Obviously it competes with Headrush but nobody likes to mention Headrush stuff eve when you get sent stuff for free :) The TMP shares features from a wide variety of modeling units on the market. I like the form factor over all and surely it can't sound any worse than a Helix.
Nobody mentions Headrush because from what I've seen the users are oblivious to the fact that Headrush may very well have never updated the models since 11 rack. Fractal and [somewhat] Helix rigorously refine and update their existing models, Headrush focuses on the size of their touch screen and adding more on top of the pile o' turd (now with AutoTune!). This Fender Tone Master looks and sounds promising, and I bet Fender too will outdo Headrush as far as refining and updating existing models.
@@LivinginLosAngeles-re5yx I’ve owned every single modeler save for the QC and Kemper. Hardly matters because Tonex profiles are easily on par if not better than existing profilers at a fraction of the cost. Please, go on.
@@justinTime077 which HeadRush units have you owned? Obviously, you haven’t owned this TMP, yet, but… It’s clear that Fender took a few cues from the HeadRush Prime/Core units in terms of UI.
Very interesting and absolutely a validation of modeling but at that price point not sure it does anything that a Kemper or Quadcortex hasn't been doing already.
This looks like an improvement on the Mustang GTX line. If you haven't checked them out they have a lot of this functionality. Less amps, cabs, and effects though.
You will also need a fr cab if you want to control your own monitoring on stage or leave it up to the stage monitor in the house PA and the monitor engineer. How much is the fr cab? I suppose if you are already in the IR/modeling ecosystem, you already have that part of the system figured out. I would need the fr cab asI'm totally new to the ir/modeler ecosystem. Sounds great! I like the interface too. Seems intuitive. It's a kitgle large to be a flyaway rig though. Would like a version about 1/3 the size for a travel rig.
Fender sends Fluff a modeller so Fluff demos with a Gibson 😂 In all seriousness though, I love the tones from that OG Strat kitted with Lace Sensors :)
For the same price one can buy a Marshall studio 20w (Silver Jub ou 800, for exemple) + the matching cab + Boss Me90 for effects... 🤔 Cheers from Portugal 🤘🍺🇵🇹
I am wanting to try this. I hope they update like a Helix for free. I haven't seen if there is "snapshots" style settings. Have to read the manual later.
Very cool, especially the screen and its colorful array of images versus blocks,... BUT. The tones only sound just a bit better than their digital mustang series and for that, $1699.99 is too much for me. I agree with other comments here that a $999.99 would have KILLED the digital market.
Hi, man! I have a qustion: in a recording scenario is it ok to make sublte changes in the tone of your guitar from one track to other? For instance, if I'm using the amp X for all the tracks it would sound ok if in some of the tracks I blend the amp X with amp Y and in some other the amp X with amp Z, but trying to make the amp X sound the standard one for the majority of time? Thank you!
Thanks for doing this video Fluff, I've been interested in this, there's a few things that I had questions about that you didn't go over though. Is there a power amp built in? Can all the IR stuff be turned off so that it can be plugged into a standard guitar cab? How does that sound? I've been considering trying a modeler at some point but I still want it to perform like amp. I want to be able to plug it into the cabs I already own and have it sound like what the amp that is being modeled would sound like if I was playing that amp through my cab.
You would need an external power amp, but yes you could turn off the modeled cab, plug into a power amp and the power amp into the real cab. Look up Taylor Danley’s video on the tone master pro, he plays it like this.
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Geeze... I've been making records since the early 80's and seriously, I was hauling these monster amps, aligning tape into reel-to-reels, and working on enormous mixing consoles the size of a couch! Cables everywhere, stomp boxes scattered around, and effects gear for days - that's how we invented those sounds these modelers are recreating.
I'm old-school and yeah I love the new tech! Totaly what I used to dream about while patching cables at 3am in the studio. Just blows my mind that we can now drag and drop with a finger what used to be a 45lb head and 65lb cab - What beautiful socery this is!!!
Literally what I dreamed of back in the day. Pure magic! 🎸✨
I think Fluff really hit the nail on the head around why this is important and what it signals in terms of modelers. Nice review!
The only modeler I’ve ever gotten excited over.
Good deal
Fender would take over the market if these were $999. Cool unit for sure!
don't say anything, they'll hear you!! haha jk, Definitely looks interesting!!!! I'd like to try one!
They never make anything cheap with their name on it…. I won’t be surprised if it goes up to $2,500 at one point.
The price is insane.
It's got twice as many processors than the quad cortex which is the same price.
Sure does. As I said, it's a cool unit, I just think it along with it's competitors are overpriced. All of these types of processors have what, maybe 5 years of support? In 10 years they're in landfills and/or Goodwill stores@@travismiller7679 Don't get me wrong, I'd love to live with one of these for a while, at least for the EVH tones. You gonna buy one?
Kids these days have it so easy. Back in my day we used to have to carry 2 guitar full stacks, an 8x10 ampeg bass stack, and a 7 piece drum kit with double kick drums up the venue stairs (both ways) to play a 15 minute grindcore set to 8 people (6 were in other bands playing that night and one was the sound guy).
You nailed it! We learned how to find our sound by buying heavy gear, blowing up amps and speakers, and scratching old records and learning songs from cassettes that were either played too slow or fast to get our tuning aligned with the songs we were learning. Never had RUclips to see what they were actually doing, etc. They have it so easy nowadays.
And walk up hill both ways in the snow?
This thing is everything Ive wanted in a modeler. Will absolutely be buying this for Christmas for myself.
Good for you dude
Already on my wish list after Ola's demo. This just reinforces the unit's competitive validity.
Funny how Neural just sent out an e-mail this morning talking about how they're lowering the price of the QC back down to $1,699... What a coincidence!
I personally would love to thank fender for that. Today i just got a demo version of the quad cortex for 1445 lol
I'd get one if they brought it down to it's deserved price, which is about HALF of that!!!
@@JohnWiku I think 1400-1500 is fair for a quad cortex. I really liked it when I was jamming with it at a friend's house.
Wow I was blown away by that Vox setup.
I will give Fender props for having the balls to try and compete with the current market. There's some very heavy hitters they're going up against. The Headrush Core, The Axe Effect III, The Helix, the Neural DSP Quad Cortex and Boss's new GX-100 to name a few. All have their uniqueness and price points. The Headrush Core has included vocal effects in addition to all the guitar specific stuff. Powerful tools for sure. Time will tell where, if at all, this thing fits. Let the games begin!
Dude I was thinking the same thibg
Well it made Neural DSP lower their prices as soon as this got released. So that tells you something. I just got a demo version from Sweetwater for 1445. So I can thank Fender for that lol
the chinese manufacturers are kicking asses in that field
Hoping this move shakes things up and Kemper finally releases new hardware. I've seen a ton of bands use the Kempers live and they sound amazing. I guess at this point its really just preference because they're all getting so good.
@@sirefromtheshire Truer words have never been printed my friend. I have never used the Kemper, but I have watched the process of profiling an amp and the playback was spot on. An amazing piece of kit.
Although thi is really tempting, one thing that Ive learned during the 80s/90s rack era is that more options you have, the less you play cause you spend most of your time twisting knobs
Fender's been doing modelers in one way or another ever since they hired all the engineers that were behind Johnson Amplifiers and turned that technology into the Cyber Twin 20 years or so ago. Not like they're really a newcomer to the segment. Given that, this one has been a long time coming. Haven't had a chance to get seriously hands on with one yet, but knowing the folks behind it, I'm expecting it to be pretty competitive with the other units in its price range.
Who are these folks? Are they Fractal employees? Because thats the only company I've seen regularly refine what they already have, which is about everything, rather than only added more on top of a dumpster fire.
Cyber twin was a great amp!
@@Guelireally !? The one I played at guitar center was pretty crap sounding. But then again I think my mustang v2 stereo head unit sounds killer, even if a tad bass heavy, is Rather have it there and turn it down then need it and not have it😂
Honestly the EVH stealth and a great fenders super reverb amp is all I wanted in a modeler amp wise. The unit itself is awesome. People complain about price but it’s brand new with a giant touch screen and the newest parts on the market. Why would anyone expect it to be cheap. I just hope Fender has a giant team working on it for constant updates.
It's the same price that the Helix is selling for now so I don't know what those people are complaining about.
If I hadn't already spent an inordinate amount of time trying to make my Helix sound and feel like a fender, the TM Pro would be at my house now. I still think that Line 6 doesn't really understand "amp feel" so it's a good thing they included a lot of tools to make the Helix feel the way you want it to feel. Still, it's a lot of work getting it to where you want it and of course, the TM Pro's Fender models are still superior. I was going to say that it's probably due to the advances in technology but then I remembered that the original Mustang amps sounded and felt better than the Helix when they first came out and they preceded the Helix!
@@genenery9315 The Helix feel is always terrible. I love the Helix floor UI. I’ve had 3 and just get tired of the weirdness of the feel and sold them. If you’re playing chords and stuff you can’t tell but start digging into your guitar strings and it just always the same stiff nothing that feels fake.
@@schlagdog Well, I don't know what your approach to the Helix is like but I seem to have been able to make the Helix feel more to my liking. I don't really concern myself with whether it "feels like a real amp" or not. I just want it to respond the way I want it to respond. It took a LONG time to get it to this point though. Interestingly, the early Fender Mustangs, which predated the Helix, and the NuX MG30 felt far better than the Helix straight out of the box. It was the control limitations on both of those units that kept me from using them live. The MG30's ridiculously short throw on its expression pedal was maddening. Otherwise, it sounds great.
On the Mustang I had created a preset using the Twin model that I called "Angry Twin". That model on that amp never did distort when you cranked the Gain. It just got more intense sounding with lots of attitude but no grit. It was very different sounding and I loved it. I haven't been able to replicate that sound since on any other device and I wish I could. Had a Mustang GTX100 for a while and I couldn't make it do that sound.
@@genenery9315 I’ve had 3 helix and still have native. The amount of time I’ve tried to get it to not feel weird is ridiculous. I just ended up giving up then thinking some of there new amp models would be different and they never are. I’m waiting for the new helix otherwise I would have already bought a fractal or the new tonemaster. If the helix comes out and is just an updated UI with more dsp without reworking the amps or adding a profiling feature I’ll finally be done with L6.
Great review Fluff, can’t wait to see them start arriving in Australia 👍🎸
I have a Fender GTX combo. They use the same "software", have a basically "flat" speaker and stereo XLR outs. It sounds amazing and records crazy good. This whole platform made sense with the first Mustang amps I used prior to the GTX. Probably won't upgrade, just because I'm happy with the GTX price point. The Fender models are just sick.
As a beginner I'm pretty happy with my GTX 50, indeed I would also like to know how and where it improves over the build GTX modeler?
I really liked the GTX100 that I had… this appears to be a huge upgrade from that for me due to the separation of this unit from the speaker and its touchscreen/knobs UI, I/O, and form-factor. This thing should be able to be utilized with a bass guitar, as well, if they add bass amp/cab/fx models in the near future and played through the frfr speakers. The GTX series of speakers were not designed to handle bass…
the models also are totally revamped from the GT series@@GrayGhostDog1
Really nice playing.Well Done !
nice job Fluff - it does sound very good - some of the fractal guys started roasting it already (doesn't sound very good) for my ears it sounds very good - the interface is awesome
It smart fender getting into this because they have alot of evh artists who "use" there heads and stuff but just use Kemper or axe or quad behind the scenes so now they could just use this as long as it sounds as good as those
As a bass player, it sucks we got shafted again. All the cool toys guitar players have nowadays, makes me want to start playing guitar again.
I’m very sure there will be bass stuff added in a firmware update
Preset 127 is called Studio Bass. It has a model of a rack tube preamp, so all you need is a third party IR or a power amp nad a real bass cab, if that's how you would use it, and you should be all set play your bass through the TM Pro. :)
They are wild with that price tag
The evh sounds awesome! 🤘🏻
Love the Strat!!
I just bought a quad cortex. I might have went this direction. I think the visuals it inspiring
This IS a big jump for digital! It's awesome timing for the Quad Cortex to come down in price too. Good competition! Loving it so far!
Didn't QC's price go down because the word got out that their units sucks ass and break on people a lot?
@@judaspriestly88according to NDPS the price jumped because of inflated cost of components due to covid but now those prices have gone back down so the QC price dropped back to the original price. If I had to guess it had more to do with staying competitive. The QC is amazing by the way and I’ve never experienced any problems with it. Because modeling technology has come so far, the interface, routing and input output/options are what set different modelers apart and QC excels at all three. This fender unit might be the first to match what the QC has done in those areas.
I’ve seen sooooooooo many reviews for this pop up but I specifically looked for a review from Fluff because he is a guy that I 100%, without question, trust with these kinds of reviews.
Sounds good, surprised they didn't include any bass with the unit. The UI looks pretty good as well. One thing not feature in the video is the foot switches double as encoder knobs so you can twist/turn those to adjust things like amp settings. Overall, pretty impressive piece of gear and some competition in the space is always good for the consumer.
Why cause it's a guitar processor.
new update actually includes bass presets.
Thanks Fluff. Sounds great and appreciate the overview. Peace
Thanks for the demo Fluff I really think 🤔 you should do wicked game on that thing it sounded great 👍😂
Thanks Fluff. I especially appreciated the "Quiet" riff at 10:22. 😊
Fluff have you tried the 4CM with the peavy 6505+ or dual rectifier?
To run the usual stuff before the pre amp and modulation effects the FX loop.
Bro I just had to tell Pete Thorn this you can do a comparative thing you know we can hear the different apps with the mic out in the room but to really hear the thing you got to run it straight to tape or maybe through a studio compressor and then straight to tape
Great review demo but how is it connected? What is the path direct usb out left 1/4 balanced out or xlr into what?
Remember your “Tube Amps Are Dying” video? This is a sure sign of it.
OOF!!! at 15:15 that tone I'm loving it!!
Dammit. I don’t wanna like it but I do lol. Solid demo!
I think the biggest selling points are that you can have official Fender and EVH amp models in the unit. They're not "copying" a sound of a competitor with these particular amps. They're officially modeled by the company because they are the company that makes them.
Fractal does component level modeling. I can see your point against Line 6, but not Fractal.
At the end of the day they are still emulating the real thing. they just have a better edge in getting things right here.
I’m not sure Fender has any advantage in making digital copies of their own tube amps just because they own the trademarks. The other companies obviously have access to those amps, and if anything, they’ve been in the digital modeling game for way longer
Press down on a knob on the screen and it will pull up level meter or you can use the footswitches as a encoder knob to make adjustments too
Good demo, Fluff. Thanks buddy
This unit sounds awesome! Im good with my $300 Valeton. The Fender is about a grand more than I'd ever consider paying.
Preset 127 is called Studio Bass. It has a model of a rack tube preamp, so all you need is a third party IR and you should be all set play your bass through the TM Pro. :)
Close on the Wicked Game song. Thanks for doing a little more in depth with this product.
What about pitching? Does it have a pitch effect to switch to a deeper tuning for example?
Yes it has a pitch shift pedal, but you can also include up to 4 external pedals into the signal chain
Just got an email last night that Neural was dropping the price of the QC. I do not think very many companies will do that, much less guitar gear ones...
I do really dig some of the UI elements of this thing. Having the name of the paramater you are switching above the switch is awesome.
They are dropping the price because they aren’t selling and they have dropped the ball on too many promises to customers.
Forgive me if I missed it, but how does it ‘feel’/ respond? Is it responsive? Or does it feel digital?
Seems pretty freaking cool. I'm not ready for modelers yet, but it looks like this would definitely be one to consider :)
Did fender work on this with line 6, it looks like a cross between the helix and the pod go
My unit produces hissing/grounded noise when plugged with auxillary cable. The same when it is connected to the mixer or amp. Do you think this is normal or a factory defect? My headrush doesnt have issue like this.
Love the way it sounds. I have one complaint. why does this unit not have the expression pedal on it or included? for $1,700 we would expect this unit to be more complete. If I bought one I would spend money on an aftermarket expression pedal those costs so much less.
FM9 also does not come with an expression pedal. Both are around the same price-point.
The more I watch Fluff the more I hear the post-hardcore influence in his riffage. He may not look emo but he def loves the good old 2000s stuff.
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The interface is cool but what is this bringing that the axe and helix arent already doing the same, and from what i've heard in this video, better? The price is mental considering the effects are no where near what Fender's competitors are offering at below this price point.
No bass gear modeled is a bummer for me. I've been waiting for someone to make a digital model of the Bassman 800 or the Rumble with their overdrive circuits. They have the best bass overdrive circuits I've heard and it would be nice to be able to not lug around bass rigs and just have them in a modeler. I figured if anyone was going to model them, it would be Fender.
You can load your own IR's..
Great review, really thought your wrap up comments were spot on. Fender competing in this market is going to force exisiting manufacturers to bring out the best for all consumers
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That was rad Fluff! Looked like you were actually enjoying it
What tunings you using in these demonstrations? 🤔
Wow, the Tone Master Pro addresses a lot of the gripes that Quad Cortex owners have. Not sold yet on the sound quality I'm hearing in this video, but I'll be on the lookout to try one at a local music shop.
Same. Can't say I'm digging these tones much from this..
This will benefit metalheads the most. Tube amps containing enough rectifier tubes for metal saturation are always way too expensive, and probably worse now with inflation, so have a flight rig like this will benefit us quite well.
@@thisguy2973 Metal players (myself included) already have options like Quad Cortex, Axe-Fx, and Helix systems available to them which all sound great, and can convincingly replace their tube amps. The litmus test for the Tone Master Pro at this point is how it stacks up with flexibility and ease of use.
@@thisguy2973 what are you blabbing your mouth about??? 😂
Metal and "rectifier tubes" are two things that shouldn't be even considered in the same thought let alone sentence 😂😂😂
This is what happens when a wannabe cork sniffer wants to run his mouth about something he doesn't even understand 😂😂
What cortex gripes? I have one and I'm curious how this differs in a positive way? The main thing I noticed is the computer app. REALLY wish neural would release one already
Thank you for being one of the only dudes demoing this stuff that pledges to let us know how this compares to what is already out there. I feel like maybe you took one of my comments requesting that into consideration :D
Fender released the Cyber Twin like 20 years ago,. It was a POD-era modelling amp, wasn't it?
Yeah okay, but having released one thing at some point 20 years ago doesn't exactly competitively put them on the market, whereas here with this they are right at the edge of technology with the rest of the currently relevant modelers
How is it when playing one preset to another, say a clean tone to a distorted one. Is there a momentary drop in the dsp when switching?
Honestly I’m surprised it took this long for fender to launch something like this.
4 loops!!! 🤘🏽
Woooo it's PooNinja! 🤣👌
Great demo, and the unit does sound good.
I’ve been down this road so many times. The problem, for me, with these all-in-one solutions is that they never do everything to my liking.
Maybe the fuzz emulations suck. Add a fuzz pedal. Maybe the reverb is not to my liking. Add a reverb pedal.
You get my point.
Could this be the one? I’ll wait 6 months for the honest reviews and prices on used units to drop.
Am I jaded? Yes, I am.
It literally has 4 FX loops to run your existing pedalboard..
That Strung Out sticker though. :D
I have the fender mustang gtx100, a digital modeling combo amp that fender out about 3 years ago and it’s cool to see that this unit uses extremely similar layout designs and tone shaping ideas only for $500
I love the Mega and British models names lol - sounds great for a modeler. I am sure with some tweaking it could even sound closer to the real deal.
sounds great to me. surprised you didn't try out a rectifier model, but i didn't really hear anything bad. and yes, appeals to older blokes like me for reasonably simple editing.
Sounds great but it’s a ridiculous price
It costs almost €2000 here in Germany, which is quite a lot in my opinion
Compared to the cortex it's still cheaper.. while doing basically the same.
The QC is around 1.789€ currently here in Germany...@@Yohahn
@@Yohahnquad cortex costs 1800€
@@Yohahn no, it's not. Neural DSP has announced they've lowered the price of the QC to 1699 (euros and dollars).
Also, the QC does more stuff, like capturing amps and pedals. Maybe in the future, Fender will add those features, but this is more expensive and does less stuff (less amps, too).
I'm an HX Stomp guy, not a QC fan and i already know this...
Quite a lot to have 100 amps and however many built in pedals plus 4 FX loops? If my math is correct that comes out to about $17 US per amp... Quite a lot? 😄
I want something like this from strymon or for them to add new amps to the iridium
Looks great! I love my Quad Cortex and absolutely love it. :) That being said, I wish my opinion was worth a free Tone Master Pro. lol
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Obviously it competes with Headrush but nobody likes to mention Headrush stuff eve when you get sent stuff for free :) The TMP shares features from a wide variety of modeling units on the market. I like the form factor over all and surely it can't sound any worse than a Helix.
Nobody mentions Headrush because from what I've seen the users are oblivious to the fact that Headrush may very well have never updated the models since 11 rack. Fractal and [somewhat] Helix rigorously refine and update their existing models, Headrush focuses on the size of their touch screen and adding more on top of the pile o' turd (now with AutoTune!).
This Fender Tone Master looks and sounds promising, and I bet Fender too will outdo Headrush as far as refining and updating existing models.
@@justinTime077 I love people flappin their gums about products they've never owned. 🤣
@@LivinginLosAngeles-re5yx I’ve owned every single modeler save for the QC and Kemper. Hardly matters because Tonex profiles are easily on par if not better than existing profilers at a fraction of the cost. Please, go on.
@@LivinginLosAngeles-re5yx maybe check on your Headrush v a 2011 11 Rack and get back to me-actually, don’t get back to me-I don’t care.
@@justinTime077 which HeadRush units have you owned? Obviously, you haven’t owned this TMP, yet, but…
It’s clear that Fender took a few cues from the HeadRush Prime/Core units in terms of UI.
The UI looks like the Headrush, and that's no bad thing
Very interesting and absolutely a validation of modeling but at that price point not sure it does anything that a Kemper or Quadcortex hasn't been doing already.
It has a lot more live practicality. That’s the real money in it
They really need to do a Fender Metal Head plug in! 😁
Well done Fender
This looks like an improvement on the Mustang GTX line. If you haven't checked them out they have a lot of this functionality. Less amps, cabs, and effects though.
Hey fluff, totally unrelated to this video but how would I get in contact with you to about my vht pitbull amp? I have a few technical questions
If my HX craps out I am buying this!
7:34 pumpkins vibe!
I’ll have to wait for the Tone Master Amateur
You will also need a fr cab if you want to control your own monitoring on stage or leave it up to the stage monitor in the house PA and the monitor engineer. How much is the fr cab?
I suppose if you are already in the IR/modeling ecosystem, you already have that part of the system figured out. I would need the fr cab asI'm totally new to the ir/modeler ecosystem. Sounds great! I like the interface too. Seems intuitive. It's a kitgle large to be a flyaway rig though. Would like a version about 1/3 the size for a travel rig.
$500
In ears dude. I used to think they were dumb. But ive played a dozen shows with them this year and I’m never going back
There’s an Avalon preamp for bass tho. Sound pretty decent.
The touch screen looks anything but "snappy" man. Looks like a dog in every demo I've seen so far
Didn't get to the end of the video yet, but does anyone know what processors it uses?
So no amp profiling/cloning then? That seems like a feature that is beyond a software update, right?
Fender sends Fluff a modeller so Fluff demos with a Gibson 😂 In all seriousness though, I love the tones from that OG Strat kitted with Lace Sensors :)
But will they invest in recurring R&D there way Yamaha have with the Helix? Yamaha raised the bar on support expectations.
For the same price one can buy a Marshall studio 20w (Silver Jub ou 800, for exemple) + the matching cab + Boss Me90 for effects... 🤔
Cheers from Portugal 🤘🍺🇵🇹
Sounds good, but noticeably digital next to quad, kpa and axe fx
Damn, it does do the chugga
Thanks Fluff, I want one.
They need to make a rack version, I’d love to upgrade my Pod HD Pro to this if it’s reasonably priced.
I am wanting to try this. I hope they update like a Helix for free. I haven't seen if there is "snapshots" style settings. Have to read the manual later.
If any company has the money to back this new digital horizon it would be the biggest one in the business .
Still waiting for a Tone Master '59 Bassman tho
Is there any bass stuff?
Not yet. Lots of bass stuff coming in an update tho.
Are Sunn amps on it?
Darkglass has us bass players covered with the e500.
Very cool, especially the screen and its colorful array of images versus blocks,... BUT.
The tones only sound just a bit better than their digital mustang series and for that, $1699.99 is too much for me.
I agree with other comments here that a $999.99 would have KILLED the digital market.
If there was a $999.99 version without those colourful eye candy menus available, I'd choose that.
Fluff does the Tonemaster have Amp and Effect Capturing?
Hi, man! I have a qustion: in a recording scenario is it ok to make sublte changes in the tone of your guitar from one track to other? For instance, if I'm using the amp X for all the tracks it would sound ok if in some of the tracks I blend the amp X with amp Y and in some other the amp X with amp Z, but trying to make the amp X sound the standard one for the majority of time?
Thank you!
Does it have pitch shifting?
Thanks for doing this video Fluff, I've been interested in this, there's a few things that I had questions about that you didn't go over though. Is there a power amp built in? Can all the IR stuff be turned off so that it can be plugged into a standard guitar cab? How does that sound? I've been considering trying a modeler at some point but I still want it to perform like amp. I want to be able to plug it into the cabs I already own and have it sound like what the amp that is being modeled would sound like if I was playing that amp through my cab.
You would need an external power amp, but yes you could turn off the modeled cab, plug into a power amp and the power amp into the real cab. Look up Taylor Danley’s video on the tone master pro, he plays it like this.
@@deluxeg thanks