Sir, you do a excellent job in all aspects of your review of a marker. You are one of my go people for a honest review. I am getting back in to paintball after a long break and want to upgrade to a new marker. Thank you
Thanks very much for the kind words! I've been slow to post lately because sometimes life gets in the way, but look for some awesome new reviews coming in the next week or two!
I love the back and forth with the opinioned pros and cons. It's nice seeing someone give a decent amount of opinion and being upfront and honest about it being opinion. Example: The screen is old and not very good compared Dyes gun. But the removable grips are on opposite sides of liked and disliked. Things like this really make the review, easier to trust. Also going the extra distance with budget ideas.
Excellent review. Love the comparison of the CS1/1.5 along with the Geo platform. Very good information! I also dislike the "2 stage" sound signature of the IV core guns. Gamma core for me all day.
So I know mostly everything about these markers. I still watched this whole review. You are awesome to watch and I appreciate your opinion. I subbed and I can’t wait to see more vids from this channel. I’ll be going through your whole channel. Outstanding.
Thank you for the kind words...I'm really trying to be a good source of info for people who really want to try and learn something, v. just reading BST posts that say 'CS2 is best' or 'trash' and that's the entire post.
I agree with you on the shot profiles. I've always found the IV core not nearly as smooth vs other spools on the market and always thought the love came from the reliability plus ergonomics. Also the Geos would vent all the air from the solenoid onto your hands and always annoyed me if I wasn't wearing gloves. I think if you're really searching for the smoothest marker you can buy on the market right now Dye or SP markers are your best bet.
Nice review I agree with everything you said , I would buy a cs2 over geo 4 , there a reason why planet eclipse moved on from the iv core. also agree planet eclipse need to upgrade there board a little. That said, PE are just reliable markers.
The CS1 is the best shooting marker for my preferences. I like the shot quality and smoothest of the bolt. The sound was a big plus for me. I always felt like I could not hear over my 170r or geo3 or axe 2.0. I think the IV core is the go-to .
Iv core+sfr=wonderful shot. I liked the geo 3.5 but the solenoids were my issue and mine died, the geo 4 solves the noid issue, adds some new ergo's, gives you a modern platform with a tunable shot, runs on cheaper batteries than D's, and makes it altogether a more solid platform. Would've been cool to see some colored grip kits like the geo 3.5 but oh well.
I know we are in the minority, but I prefer the CS2 over the Geo4. I've had every Geo (other than an SL94 and a GSL) and I think the CS2 is the pinnacle of the Geo lineage. The front grip size and battery holder, eye prism system, being slightly smaller with no SFR, shot feeling, and sound signature are what make the CS2 better for me.
I’ve shot both the CS2 and the CS1.5 but not the Geo 4. Currently I own the Cs1.5 put have played with a CS2 a lot. They both shoot smooth and I honestly can’t tell a difference in kick like you’re saying but the swishy sounds of the IV core are just what I prefer.
I recently picked up a used Geo 4 for 900 shipped. I personally love the soft shot of the IV core but it's all subjective. I like how it is quieter as well which may do absolutely nothing but in my strange mind, it makes me a bit quieter on the field so maybe give me that hair edge over some guy on the opposite side of the field. In the end if you want reliability and great resale, any PE gun will do!
Ya, that is really my goal with this is to leave all that bs aside and do my best to get to the reality. At the end of the day, this stuff is mostly opinions, but I try my best to explain my reasoning so that people have a frame of reference upon which to base their feelings on the info, yay or nay, etc. Thanks for watching!
I feel like the geo4 kicks a bit harder as-well, especially since the lube wears off easier on the iv and do not like the wet fart sound either. Cs2 pro is crispy and barely needs to be lubed.
Nice! Liked and Subbed. I agree with you 100%. Also, I describe that 2-stage sound of the IV Core as a "woosh". The CS2 is snappier to me, with a more "pop" sound signature but not necessarily louder. I own a CS2, CS1.5, CS1, 160R, LV1.5, Geo 3 (with IV core upgrade) and a Virtue Ace Luxe X but have not felt the need to go out and get a Geo 4. Maybe down the road when used values make it a no brainer.
Just came across you videos the other day. I subscribed and you have a lot of good info. I have a Geo 3.1 w/ IV core and thought about getting a CS1. Is there much of a difference between the 2 besides the solenoid being serviceable? Thanks
@Airtime Paintball I cant tell you how many time I've watched this video and I lose it at the grips are grippy everytime haha. Do you have experience with older DMs such as a DM9 with a Billy Wing bolt?
@@ashton35 I ended up buying a twister geo 4 a few months ago and I’m still happier with the cs2 pro but that’s not to say the geo 4 doesn’t feel great
Sir will you please do a full review of the HK army / BOb long V-com t-rex true review I know there some here on youtube but I really don't get a sense of the nitty-gritty and if worth buying I'm really looking into one, but wanted to know what to look out for.
I got to test out a 170r and a cs1 recently and the cs1 did not kick and push the marker back(recoil) nearly as much as the 170r did, and if the 170r and the Cs2 is suppose to be nearly identical as far as how they operate, there is, at least from my limited eperience a very noticeable difference in kick between the 2, the Cs1 being far smoother of a shot and not because of a placebo effect from the sound signature. Hell, my VIS shooting at the same velocity as the 170r (280fps) was far smoother, but not as smooth as the Cs1.
170r's and CS2s are not nearly identical actually. The Gamma Pro core is s lot different than the previous gamma core. That said, your experience definitely doesn't mirror mine. My current main shooter is a 170r, and the only gun I own that is 'softer' is my Vanquish 1.5 w V16 core...and it is literally the softest shot that exists in paintball; it's softer than any other gun, ever. I have a Victus with a Reflex engine, which I love shooting. But, if I'm comparing the shot to a 170r , it's a jack-hammering shotgun in comparison. I don't doubt your account of your experience at all, but it makes me wonder what's wrong with that 170r you were shooting for sure. Thanks for watching, and commenting. I really appreciate it and you!
@@Dave-wy5nq Well the 170r belonged to a coworker of mine, we both work at a paintball field but it was very obvious he wasnt taking too much care of that 170r. He was using it all the time and never cleaned out broken aint from the breech and rarely the barrel, and it didnt seem to shoot as smooth as what I noticed in videos. Ive never got to shoot or play with any PE guns except for that 170r, the ego '05 when it came out in 2005, and more recently got to test out a CS1.5(which was the smoothest marker ive personally ever shot), so I dont have the eperience with the CS2 to assert that it isnt a smooth shooting marker. I do remember Jake from team insanity saying tht the vanquish was the most smoothest shooting marker he ever used, and have heard others say that in comments as well. I was away from paintball from 2011-2017 so I never got to exerience how smooth and light markers had gotton in those years, and was shocked at how light they have become, and couldnt believe how smooth the CS1.5 was. It's a far cry from the smoothness of the intimidators from back when I got into speedball, even my VIS is much smoother and lighter than all other markers I had used in the past but that CS1.5 was something else lol.
Nice review. I do have to disagree with your opinion of the shot softness between the 2 markers. I have a cs2 and recently picked up a CSR, which as you stated, is functionally the same as a geo4. But when I shot the CSR using my spire 3, not only did it feel slightly softer than my cs2, but I had to increase the sensitivity of my spire to be able to reliably register the shot on the CSR vs the cs2. Still haven’t shot the CSR enough to have gathered an opinion on which I prefer, but they are both amazing.
Now I see what you mean. I brand new CS2 and Geo 4 have a very similar shoot quality (feel). Different sound signature though. However, my teammates broken in CS2 shoots on par with a Luxe ICE or older DMs. Interesting to see if a broken in Geo 4 will achieve that level of smoothness.
I appreciate the feedback! The thing is, maintenance on either is trivially simple, and clearly outlined in the manual...not really enough there for a whole video.
There is no meaningful tuning to be done apart from the SFR, because any meaningful deviation from the stock settings results in a significant decrease in cycling reliability. As I mentioned in the video, I don't thing the Geo 3x is a good value because the noid in them is out of production (but so far is available), and not rebuildable. You can get a CS1 for the same money, still get the IV core, and have a currently manufactured, readily available, and serviceable noid.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but neither of them has a 'drop shot.' Physics tells us that if variables are controlled (gravity, wind, size shape and weight of the ball, etc.), a paintball that leaves the barrel at X velocity will travel exactly the same distance at exactly the same trajectory as any other, regardless of what marker shot it. Both great markers though!
If by "soul" you mean less cycling reliability, wired eye connections, and exactly the same internals as a years-old gun that you can buy for $500, then I agree.
Really frustrated with the market right now. I’m trying to step up from my 170r but everyone’s reviews are so all over the place. And then I hear people saying buy a cs2 pro but they’re hard to find even in the used market.
Hey buddy, thanks for watching! Ya, it's rough right now, but stock is slowly coming in on some high end markers. The 170R is awesome, so just enjoy it and be a little patient. I think over the winter we're going to see stock levels come back on most models and you'll be able to move on one that you want. regarding the reviews, not sure what you mean about them being all over the place, but if you have any specific questions, join the Airtime Paintball Mafia Facebook group and ask...happy to answer, and you might get others' opinions too!
I have a 170R and recently got a CS2 Pro. Honestly, not worth the upgrade. The 170 is lighter and slimmer. I like the CS2 grip a little better but the 170 has a nicer screen. I don’t care about all the presets and stuff in the board. I leave them both on Semi 10.5. The CS feels nicer in my hands but not 2x the cost nicer. Shoot identically.
Haha...I sold my 80ci tank earlier in the day because I have (2) Skeleton Air systems coming tomorrow. That way I can do this kind if comparo more easily.
Kind of a weird question but should my Geo 4 be having grease coming out of the SFR after shots? I never owned a marker with sfr before and my shocker amp obviously doesn’t have one.
Love the amount of detail that you put into your videos, everything is well articulated. Would love to see an etek and ego comparison in the future
Sir, you do a excellent job in all aspects of your review of a marker. You are one of my go people for a honest review.
I am getting back in to paintball after a long break and want to upgrade to a new marker.
Thank you
Thanks very much for the kind words! I've been slow to post lately because sometimes life gets in the way, but look for some awesome new reviews coming in the next week or two!
One of my new favorite paintball channels
I love the back and forth with the opinioned pros and cons. It's nice seeing someone give a decent amount of opinion and being upfront and honest about it being opinion. Example: The screen is old and not very good compared Dyes gun. But the removable grips are on opposite sides of liked and disliked. Things like this really make the review, easier to trust. Also going the extra distance with budget ideas.
Excellent review. Love the comparison of the CS1/1.5 along with the Geo platform. Very good information! I also dislike the "2 stage" sound signature of the IV core guns. Gamma core for me all day.
Great review Dave. Thank you. I think I need a CS1/1.5. I appreciate the honesty and thoroughness.
I personally own a CS1.5 it’s such a great marker no complaints.
So I know mostly everything about these markers. I still watched this whole review. You are awesome to watch and I appreciate your opinion. I subbed and I can’t wait to see more vids from this channel. I’ll be going through your whole channel. Outstanding.
Thanks very much for the support, I truly appreciate it! I'm still new at this, but trying to improve all the time...
Same here.
22:40 "magical transformation to velvety-soft shooting" - great description, this gets me every time!
You need more subscribers. Amazing content really
Thank you for the kind words...I'm really trying to be a good source of info for people who really want to try and learn something, v. just reading BST posts that say 'CS2 is best' or 'trash' and that's the entire post.
Love the reviews, keep'em coming!
I agree with you on the shot profiles. I've always found the IV core not nearly as smooth vs other spools on the market and always thought the love came from the reliability plus ergonomics. Also the Geos would vent all the air from the solenoid onto your hands and always annoyed me if I wasn't wearing gloves. I think if you're really searching for the smoothest marker you can buy on the market right now Dye or SP markers are your best bet.
My 1.6 is way smoother than my tm40
Geo 4 owners. If your front grip moves, tighten the 4 screws on the battery holder. Mine was pretty loose from the box
I’ll try this out
thank you for making me save my money, ill stick to my XLS, 170R and CS1. Great review.
Great video!!! Way more informative than anything else on the web
Nice review I agree with everything you said , I would buy a cs2 over geo 4 , there a reason why planet eclipse moved on from the iv core. also agree planet eclipse need to upgrade there board a little. That said, PE are just reliable markers.
The CS1 is the best shooting marker for my preferences. I like the shot quality and smoothest of the bolt. The sound was a big plus for me. I always felt like I could not hear over my 170r or geo3 or axe 2.0. I think the IV core is the go-to .
Iv core+sfr=wonderful shot. I liked the geo 3.5 but the solenoids were my issue and mine died, the geo 4 solves the noid issue, adds some new ergo's, gives you a modern platform with a tunable shot, runs on cheaper batteries than D's, and makes it altogether a more solid platform. Would've been cool to see some colored grip kits like the geo 3.5 but oh well.
sir you had the information I was looking for! thanks!!
I know we are in the minority, but I prefer the CS2 over the Geo4. I've had every Geo (other than an SL94 and a GSL) and I think the CS2 is the pinnacle of the Geo lineage.
The front grip size and battery holder, eye prism system, being slightly smaller with no SFR, shot feeling, and sound signature are what make the CS2 better for me.
Is it smaller all around? Or just in the front grip?
I’ve shot both the CS2 and the CS1.5 but not the Geo 4. Currently I own the Cs1.5 put have played with a CS2 a lot. They both shoot smooth and I honestly can’t tell a difference in kick like you’re saying but the swishy sounds of the IV core are just what I prefer.
I recently picked up a used Geo 4 for 900 shipped. I personally love the soft shot of the IV core but it's all subjective. I like how it is quieter as well which may do absolutely nothing but in my strange mind, it makes me a bit quieter on the field so maybe give me that hair edge over some guy on the opposite side of the field. In the end if you want reliability and great resale, any PE gun will do!
That was incredible. Loved the lack of hype 😁
The hype train runs far in Paintball 😂
Ya, that is really my goal with this is to leave all that bs aside and do my best to get to the reality. At the end of the day, this stuff is mostly opinions, but I try my best to explain my reasoning so that people have a frame of reference upon which to base their feelings on the info, yay or nay, etc.
Thanks for watching!
@@airtimepaintball463 Do you have any experience with older DM's. In particular a DM9 with a BW21 bolt?
Best review video by leaps and bounds
Thanks for the feedback! I hope to keep going and get a little better every time out!
Great video love your comparison commonsense approach
I feel like the geo4 kicks a bit harder as-well, especially since the lube wears off easier on the iv and do not like the wet fart sound either. Cs2 pro is crispy and barely needs to be lubed.
Excellent video.. thank you!!!
You are welcome!
Miss these videos
Nice! Liked and Subbed. I agree with you 100%. Also, I describe that 2-stage sound of the IV Core as a "woosh". The CS2 is snappier to me, with a more "pop" sound signature but not necessarily louder. I own a CS2, CS1.5, CS1, 160R, LV1.5, Geo 3 (with IV core upgrade) and a Virtue Ace Luxe X but have not felt the need to go out and get a Geo 4. Maybe down the road when used values make it a no brainer.
Ive been told that the geo3.5 and geo 4 are practically the same? Just no at pipe, tooless and ergonomics. Is this true?
Great review I actually have both guns and I like both shots have to understand they 2 different core systems can’t shoot the same
what do u like more the iv or the gamma
Wow, aged Matt Damon is reviewing PB marker. Thanks youtube!
I can't wait to tell my wife that somebody thinks I look like Matt Damon, aged or otherwise :)
@@Dave-wy5nq Tell her, she must understand how lucky she is! ;)
Just came across you videos the other day. I subscribed and you have a lot of good info. I have a Geo 3.1 w/ IV core and thought about getting a CS1. Is there much of a difference between the 2 besides the solenoid being serviceable?
Thanks
@Airtime Paintball I cant tell you how many time I've watched this video and I lose it at the grips are grippy everytime haha.
Do you have experience with older DMs such as a DM9 with a Billy Wing bolt?
Thanks this helped!! I was debating between a geo 4 and cs2pro and I think I’m going with the cs2
You will not be disappointed shot all 3 not trading my cs2 for either one .
Dang I bought a new geo 4 locally because of the gun shortage. Feel like I should have hunted for a cs2
@@ashton35 I ended up buying a twister geo 4 a few months ago and I’m still happier with the cs2 pro but that’s not to say the geo 4 doesn’t feel great
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Sir will you please do a full review of the HK army / BOb long V-com t-rex true review I know there some here on youtube but I really don't get a sense of the nitty-gritty and if worth buying I'm really looking into one, but wanted to know what to look out for.
I got out of the game after the G6r, geo 3 and dm12's. I also have no idea about bob long spool valves
miss this channel ;(
Great overview. It is hard to find intelligent paintball content these days.
Picked up my used cs1 for 550 as well … not disappointed at all and love the marker … coming from an original gtek
Great review I really like how you state facts and when you have your own opinion you let us know along with the fact it’s just your preference 👍
I got to test out a 170r and a cs1 recently and the cs1 did not kick and push the marker back(recoil) nearly as much as the 170r did, and if the 170r and the Cs2 is suppose to be nearly identical as far as how they operate, there is, at least from my limited eperience a very noticeable difference in kick between the 2, the Cs1 being far smoother of a shot and not because of a placebo effect from the sound signature. Hell, my VIS shooting at the same velocity as the 170r (280fps) was far smoother, but not as smooth as the Cs1.
170r's and CS2s are not nearly identical actually. The Gamma Pro core is s lot different than the previous gamma core. That said, your experience definitely doesn't mirror mine. My current main shooter is a 170r, and the only gun I own that is 'softer' is my Vanquish 1.5 w V16 core...and it is literally the softest shot that exists in paintball; it's softer than any other gun, ever.
I have a Victus with a Reflex engine, which I love shooting. But, if I'm comparing the shot to a 170r , it's a jack-hammering shotgun in comparison. I don't doubt your account of your experience at all, but it makes me wonder what's wrong with that 170r you were shooting for sure.
Thanks for watching, and commenting. I really appreciate it and you!
@@Dave-wy5nq Well the 170r belonged to a coworker of mine, we both work at a paintball field but it was very obvious he wasnt taking too much care of that 170r. He was using it all the time and never cleaned out broken aint from the breech and rarely the barrel, and it didnt seem to shoot as smooth as what I noticed in videos. Ive never got to shoot or play with any PE guns except for that 170r, the ego '05 when it came out in 2005, and more recently got to test out a CS1.5(which was the smoothest marker ive personally ever shot), so I dont have the eperience with the CS2 to assert that it isnt a smooth shooting marker.
I do remember Jake from team insanity saying tht the vanquish was the most smoothest shooting marker he ever used, and have heard others say that in comments as well. I was away from paintball from 2011-2017 so I never got to exerience how smooth and light markers had gotton in those years, and was shocked at how light they have become, and couldnt believe how smooth the CS1.5 was. It's a far cry from the smoothness of the intimidators from back when I got into speedball, even my VIS is much smoother and lighter than all other markers I had used in the past but that CS1.5 was something else lol.
Nice review. I do have to disagree with your opinion of the shot softness between the 2 markers. I have a cs2 and recently picked up a CSR, which as you stated, is functionally the same as a geo4. But when I shot the CSR using my spire 3, not only did it feel slightly softer than my cs2, but I had to increase the sensitivity of my spire to be able to reliably register the shot on the CSR vs the cs2. Still haven’t shot the CSR enough to have gathered an opinion on which I prefer, but they are both amazing.
Would you pick the Geo 4 or the CS3?
Now I see what you mean. I brand new CS2 and Geo 4 have a very similar shoot quality (feel). Different sound signature though. However, my teammates broken in CS2 shoots on par with a Luxe ICE or older DMs. Interesting to see if a broken in Geo 4 will achieve that level of smoothness.
Maybe vid on the maintenance on the two. Difference in being able to maintain them. Ease of maintenance.
I appreciate the feedback! The thing is, maintenance on either is trivially simple, and clearly outlined in the manual...not really enough there for a whole video.
love the content I wish that i could find the deals you get on markers, I can't seem to find them for the prices you do and I look on the same places
Do the Cs1/R/1.5 Share the same trigger as the Geo 4? I cant stand the Geo 4 trigger, but i want to get an iv core marker.
They do not all have the same trigger. Also there are many aftermarket options available.
Why did P.E. Stop making the CS2?
I was going to get one but a little too late.
Now I’m considering getting the geo4.
Or is there going to be a CS3?
Yes CS3 sometime in Nov apparently
Impressive video
Thanks!
I love 48/4500 tanks I wish they made more smaller option the magfed 13 ti 24 us is BS they need a 30ish & 42/4500
They make 50/45's but they are terrible for proper form
They are for people 4 feet tall
what are you thoughts on the geo 3.0 with IV core. for the value and able to tune?
There is no meaningful tuning to be done apart from the SFR, because any meaningful deviation from the stock settings results in a significant decrease in cycling reliability.
As I mentioned in the video, I don't thing the Geo 3x is a good value because the noid in them is out of production (but so far is available), and not rebuildable. You can get a CS1 for the same money, still get the IV core, and have a currently manufactured, readily available, and serviceable noid.
i wonder what he is shooting nowadays
I just threw a duce on mine and love it.
I currently own a cs2 pro and geo4
Love both them just that the cs2pro has less of a drop shot
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but neither of them has a 'drop shot.' Physics tells us that if variables are controlled (gravity, wind, size shape and weight of the ball, etc.), a paintball that leaves the barrel at X velocity will travel exactly the same distance at exactly the same trajectory as any other, regardless of what marker shot it.
Both great markers though!
You're in Knoxville? Where do you play?
I'm in Nashville, not Knoxville. We play at Nashville Paintball and The Farm.
Does this mean CS1 parts is the same with GEO4 sir???
Yes, internal parts are interchangeable. It is possible/likely that there are a few exceptions, so double check part numbers before ordering any.
GEO 4 has a soul. cs2 does not. The end
If by "soul" you mean less cycling reliability, wired eye connections, and exactly the same internals as a years-old gun that you can buy for $500, then I agree.
None of these modern space guns have soul. Get an autococker or auto mag if you want soul. Tribal twister maybe? Shoebox shocker?
I actually agree and relate to this post
Really frustrated with the market right now. I’m trying to step up from my 170r but everyone’s reviews are so all over the place. And then I hear people saying buy a cs2 pro but they’re hard to find even in the used market.
Hey buddy, thanks for watching! Ya, it's rough right now, but stock is slowly coming in on some high end markers. The 170R is awesome, so just enjoy it and be a little patient. I think over the winter we're going to see stock levels come back on most models and you'll be able to move on one that you want.
regarding the reviews, not sure what you mean about them being all over the place, but if you have any specific questions, join the Airtime Paintball Mafia Facebook group and ask...happy to answer, and you might get others' opinions too!
I have a 170R and recently got a CS2 Pro. Honestly, not worth the upgrade. The 170 is lighter and slimmer. I like the CS2 grip a little better but the 170 has a nicer screen. I don’t care about all the presets and stuff in the board. I leave them both on Semi 10.5. The CS feels nicer in my hands but not 2x the cost nicer. Shoot identically.
That intro is far too loud compared to the commentary. Hurt my ears, while wearing headphones.
It looks so awkward with a 48ci tank and Spire 280 lol. Otherwise solid review.
Haha...I sold my 80ci tank earlier in the day because I have (2) Skeleton Air systems coming tomorrow. That way I can do this kind if comparo more easily.
@@Dave-wy5nq I get it. It just looked weird with the Spire being bigger than the tank.
I bought a 68 and I totally should have got a 77
Make sure the tank but lines up with your bicep. Anything shorter is incorrect placement (watch the pros)
Sfr set at 2 oclock perfect balance..
Unless your a pro most of this shit shouldn’t matter
It really doesn't 'matter' even for pros. But, people like toys (me included), so...
Kind of a weird question but should my Geo 4 be having grease coming out of the SFR after shots? I never owned a marker with sfr before and my shocker amp obviously doesn’t have one.
Most likely just too much grease in the reg. If it's otherwise performing fine, I'd ignore it and let it resolve itself.
@@airtimepaintball463 Yes seems to be working completely fine it just seems like a lot of grease in there. I wish I could show it on here