Andrew Skinner on the Second Coming Discourse (week of May 22, first to watch)
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- In this episode Kerry and Andy discuss the great Olivet Sermon, or the sermon on the signs of the times. They explore how the Joseph Smith translation revolutionizes our understanding of this sermon, and how it came about, and what it meant in the Savior’s day and what it means for our day. They explore the signs of the times and what it means for us and the hope we can have.
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Always love to listen to brother Skinner.
Me too!!!
That was amazing. Andrew is always a favourite! He expounds and explains so clearly.
I agree. He has a gift for seeing and explaining.
Such a pleasure to be taught by Brother Skinner. He was my Bishop years ago and I can attest that he is a great teacher and a special spirit. Thank you!
Amen to that!!!
I was so happy when I found out that Brother Skinner was going to explain this material, it wasn't even announced that it would be about the second coming, but I kept the blog up so I wouldn't miss it as it was late at night. And today, Sunday, nothing more pleasant to be taught early in the morning, even before preparing for sacrament meeting in the ward. I congratulate Brother Skinner for his willingness to keep this work going forever. Very strict, Brother Skinner. our Father will reward you for this special service of preaching the gospel. IRAJÁ Bandeira Soares Recife, Brazil
I am so very glad that this has been a blessing for you. We are all so blessed by having Brother Skinner teaching us so willingly and so ably.
Muhlestein was probably my favorite religion teacher at BYU, great attention to detail and great teacher
I hope you continue to find all of this helpful! Bless you!!
I love the way you (Kerry) so obviously love and respect Dr. Skinner. He is truly a humble disciple, despite his great knowledge.
He is, isn't he?
Thank you, brethren for your presentation. Very helpful!
Glad you liked it!
One other topic I’m grateful you both addressed was the teaching that no one knows the hour or the day when He will come. This blesses us with the motivation to keep ourselves ready at all times, which incentivizes us to stay worthy and keep the spirit with us, so we continue to be blessed by the cleansing as well as the strengthening and enabling blessings of the Saviors atonement so in this life we can become more and more like Jesus and thereby be more and more ready to meet Him face to face. One scripture that seems to be less often quoted and yet adds another dimension to the teaching, is D&C 49:6-7 which states “but the hour and the day no man knoweth, neither the angels in heaven, NOR SHALL THEY KNOW until he comes.” So it clearly identifies that no man or angel even in the future shall know the hour or the day until He comes.
Agreed!!!!!
Love you BOTH!! I often watch the older round table videos with you guys!!!
Ah, those videos are old now, aren't they? Hopefully oldies but goodies.
@@TheScripturesAreReal Absolutely!!
Fantastic! Two of my favorite scholars discussing my favorite topic! I always learn something new! ❤❤🙏🙏🙏
This is just good, fun stuff, isn't it!?!
@The Scriptures Are Real Absolutely! I review the older roundtable discussions because of the scholars featured. I don't know the new ones and the discussion just feels different. When Brother Skinner gets excited about a subject, it's awesome! 🙏💜🙏
22:09 Excellent instruction from both of you great teachers.
I am glad you liked it!
So the statement that no one knows the day nor the hour. I only know of one person who has studied this further and says that Joseph Smith was speaking of his day.
I also believe that we are further into the signs that I do believe he is getting closer. I have a very strong feeling that p.nelson is much more aware about his coming than we realize. It's us who need to become more Christ like as p. Nelson mentioned in the last conference.
I also understand that the apostles have been talking about how the saviors coming is closer than most realize.
It seems clear that the time is getting nearer and nearer, and that the prophets are telling us all we need to know to prepare. If we follow the prophets, we will be prepared and need not fear.
Two of my heroes. Wonderful discussion and incredible insights. Thank you!!
At the very least, we sure have fun together!!!
This was great! Not off the deep end, but not too shallow either. Just right! 👌🏻
Thank you. Andy is so good, isn't he?
This is the best way to listen English for me. Thank you!
You're very welcome!
Been a fan since the BYU roundtable discussions!
Wow, that has been a while!
Beautiful
Thank you!
What a fabulous episode.
Thank you! It seems like it always is when Andy is on!
Joseph Smith's Matthew is in the Pearl of Great Price for the reason that it, D&C 45 and other sections, and the guidance of modern prophets are to be the center of our eschatology in these last days and not the philosophies of men mingled with scripture.
Well done, brothers.
Thank you!
You guys are awsome. Love your guys work🙏
so glad!
Thank you so very much for taking the time and sharing your knowledge and testimony. ❤✌️🤟
We are so glad you found it helpful!
Enjoyed this immensely. Thank you both for all your hard work and study on this subject.
I think it is just good fun for both of us!
Wow! Thank you!!
So glad it was helpful!
Thank you for your good work-
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you are welcome!
Great video, thank you! Glad I stumbled across this channel.
I am so glad you are finding it to be helpful!
Thank you so much. I have really appreciated listening to both of you. I am ready "The Savior in Kirtland" and it talks about the various appearances of Jesus Christ and the Father, during that period. If we listen to the prophets and apostles, they give clues about the Savior's interactions. (watching from France)
That is a great book!
For me, we should only be eager for our 2nd coming as new creatures, so we can see his face when we see the man/woman in the mirror
So true. If we aren't begotten of Him, we won't be quite so excited when He comes again!
I loved this. Gonna go and listen to Harold B Lee’s talk.
Its a good one!
Wonder if I could grab that text Skinner quoted. Wow! What a gem!
which text are you referring to?
Thank you for this discussion Brother Muhlestein and Skinner. I was especially interested in your remarks about the abomination of desolation, an abomination that reaches the level that D&C 29:21 states was "spoken by the mouth of Ezekiel the prophet, who spoke of these things, which have not come to pass but surely must, as I live, for abominations shall not reign." There is a difference between abomination existing and abomination reigning. When abomination reigns, it is impossible to avoid, it forces everyone into abomination. All the children of God who come to earth fall under it's reign and the Lord made it clear as in the case of the days of Noah and in the case of Sodom that it would bring desolation because He could not allow it to remain. He must make a place for His children to dwell without being forced into abomination. In Genesis 19 the three men who entered Lot's home were sought by the "men of Sodom" who "compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: and they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them." It's clear that these were not a minority of rebels but a congregation of the entire city, calling out what must have been the standing law that they had the legal right to take their allotted time with each if these men and know them. The condition of Sodom (reigning abomination) brought down destruction upon everyone who would not flee from the abomination and flee from the city. In Noah's case, the desolation fell upon everyone who would not flee the abomination and board the arc.
We are fortunate to live in a time that, despite great wickedness, there is also great righteousness!
Would like to see Brorher skinner better.
Thanks! We can work on that.
D&C 133:11. When Will Christ Come to Usher in His Millennial Reign?
Elder Bruce R. McConkie wrote:
“Question: Does or will anyone know when the Lord will come? Answer: As to the day and hour, No; 👉as to the generation, Yes.👈
“Question: Who shall know the generation? Answer: The saints, the children of light, those who can read the signs of the times, those who treasure up the Lord’s word so they will not be deceived.
“Paul told the Thessalonians that ‘the coming of the Lord’ would be ‘as travail upon a woman with child’; that where people of the world are concerned Jesus would come ‘as a thief in the night,’ that is unexpectedly and without warning; but that where ‘the children of light’ are concerned, the Lord would not come as ‘a thief in the night,’ for they are aware of the ‘times and seasons’ connected with his return. (1 Thess. 4:13-18; 5:1-7.) Thus, though the saints do not know the day, they are aware of the season. As a woman in travail feels the pains of the approaching birth, so the saints read the signs of the times; neither knows the exact moment of the anticipated happening, but both know the approximate time.”
- Student Manual, (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 1:665-66; see also Matthew 24:36, 42; D&C 45:39; 49:7; 77:6, 12; 130:14-17.)
The Generation that will see All things fulfilled
Luke 21 (JST) 24Now these things he spake unto them concerning the destruction of Jerusalem. And then his disciples asked him, saying, Master, 👉tell us concerning thy coming.👈
25¶ And he answered them and said, 👉In the generation in which the times of the Gentiles shall be fulfilled,👈 there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations with perplexity, like the sea and the waves roaring. The earth also shall be troubled and the waters of the great deep,
32Verily, I say unto you, 👉This generation, the generation when the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled, shall not pass away till all (💯) be fulfilled.👈
Look up D&C 45 Times of the Gentiles fulfilled in the lds student manuel commentary. 1917-1967 is when the Times of the Gentiles was fulfilled.
Also looking for an overflowing scourge to happen because of a desolating Sickness post 1967...
Great discussion two of my favorite commentators. Thank you Men always a pleasure!!!
Such interesting stuff, isn't it?
"President Joseph Fielding Smith (1876-1972) stated, “The times of the Gentiles commenced shortly after the death of our Redeemer. The Jews soon rejected the Gospel and it was then taken to the Gentiles. The times of the Gentiles have continued from that time until now” (Church History and Modern Revelation, 2 vols. [1953], 1:196). President Smith spoke further about the fulfillment of the times of the Gentiles: “Jesus said the Jews would be scattered among all nations and Jerusalem would be trodden down by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles were fulfilled. (Luke 21:24.) The prophecy in Section 45, verses 24-29, of the Doctrine and Covenants regarding the Jews was literally fulfilled. Jerusalem, which was trodden down by the Gentiles, is no longer trodden down but is made the home for the Jews. They are returning to Palestine, and by this we may know that the times of the Gentiles are near their close” (in Conference Report, Apr. 1966, 13)."
Chapter 19: Luke 18-22
New Testament Student Manual
Institute
@@Veevslav1 Thanks for the great share! The marked Generation that will see All things fulfilled concerning the 2nd coming Aka the marked Generation
D&C 45 student manuel.
D&C 45:24-30. What Are the “Times of the Gentiles” and When Are They Fulfilled?
...Jerusalem will no longer be “trodden down of the Gentiles” (Luke 21:24). Again President Smith explained: “When we consider the words of the Savior to his disciples, that the Jews should be scattered and ‘Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled,’ we have a fair understanding of the meaning of this … verse [D&C 45:30] in this revelation. Jerusalem was trodden down of the Gentiles from the day of its destruction until the close of the year 1917, when it was freed from Turkish rule by General Edmund H. Allenby of the British forces. After the war Palestine became a British mandate, and Great Britain by proclamation declared that country to be a refuge for the Jews, who were invited to return. … It is very significant, however, that Jerusalem is no longer trodden down by the Gentiles and the Jews are again gathering there. This is the sign given by our Lord, for the end of the times of the Gentiles. We are now in the transition period and shortly the day of the Jew will dawn and the Gospel will be taken to them and to the remnants on this land.” (Church History and Modern Revelation, 1:196-97.)
When Joseph Fielding Smith wrote those words in 1947, Israel had not yet been made a state; they were still under the British mandate. But on 15 May 1948, Israel became an independent nation and declared Jerusalem to be her capital. In the war that followed this declaration, the Jews could maintain control of western Jerusalem only. East Jerusalem became part of the state of Jordan. In general conference in 1966, Elder Smith, now President of the Quorum of the Twelve, said: “Jesus said the Jews would be scattered among all nations and Jerusalem would be trodden down by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles were fulfilled. (Luke 21:24.) The prophecy in Section 45, verses 24-29, of the Doctrine and Covenants regarding the Jews was literally fulfilled. Jerusalem, which was trodden down by the Gentiles, is no longer trodden down but is made the home for the Jews. They are returning to Palestine, and by this we may know that the times of the Gentiles are near their close.” (In Conference Report, Apr. 1966, p. 13.)
👉During the Six-Day War of 1967, Israel conquered the West Bank, including Jerusalem, and for the first time since the city fell to the legions of Titus in A.D. 70, Jerusalem came completely under the control of a Jewish government"👈
👆 Here it is THEE marked Generation☝️
@@Arkangeler Which leaves only one question... How is a Generation defined?
@@Veevslav1 Not only does the Savior himself tell us but we have JST corrections.
Luke 21:25¶ And he answered them and said, 👉In the generation in which the times of the Gentiles shall be fulfilled,👈 there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations with perplexity, like the sea and the waves roaring. The earth also shall be troubled and the waters of the great deep,
32 Verily, I say unto you, 👉This generation, the generation when the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled, shall not pass away till all be fulfilled.👈
The spread between 1917-1967
👉God has saved for the
⚾final inning⚾ some of his strongest children, who will help bear off the kingdom triumphantly. And that is where you come in, for you are the generation that must be prepared to meet your God.👈 … Make no mistake about it-you are a marked generation.
"Stalwart and Brave We Stand"
Elder Marvin J. Ashton 👉1989👈
“In all ages, prophets have looked down through the corridors of time to our day. Billions of the deceased and those yet to be born have their eyes on us. Make no mistake about it-you are a marked generation. …
Pres Monson quoted Elder Ashton
Dare To Stand Alone 👉2011👈
H.B. Lee reading list JS Matthew 24
Doctrine and Covenants 45, 102, 133, 38
Full quote
“There are among us many loose writings predicting the calamities which are about to overtake us. Some of these have been publicized as though they were necessary to wake up the world to the horrors about to overtake us. Many of these are from sources upon which there cannot be unquestioned reliance.
“Are you priesthood bearers aware of the fact that we need no such publications to be forewarned, if we were only conversant with what the scriptures have already spoken to us in plainness?
“Let me give you the sure word of prophecy on which you should rely for your guide instead of these strange sources which may have great political implications.
“Read the twenty-fourth chapter of Matthew-particularly that inspired version as contained in the Pearl of Great Price (Joseph Smith-Matthew).
“Then read the forty-fifth section of the Doctrine and Covenants where the Lord, not man, has documented the signs of the times.
“Now turn to section 101 and section 133 of the Doctrine and Covenants and hear the step-by-step recounting of events leading up to the coming of the Savior.
“Finally, turn to the promises the Lord makes to those who keep the commandments when these judgments descend upon the wicked, as set forth in the Doctrine and Covenants, section 38.
“Brethren, these are some of the writings with which you should concern yourselves, rather than commentaries that may come from those whose information may not be the most reliable and whose motives may be subject to question. And may I say, parenthetically, most of such writers are not handicapped by having any authentic information on their writings” (Teachings of Harold B. Lee, ed. Clyde J. Williams [1996],
Those are great sections to read for this topic!
Not hearing that much from Kerry . Would like to hear from him too.
I will have to work on that!
Have you heard the interpretation of verse 40 that it is referring to the Great and dreadful day, and not referring to His visit to Adam-ondi-Ahman or to his visit to the New Jerusalem or to his visit to the Mount of Olives?
I think it probably is referring to the great and glorious Second Coming!
I am 66 years old now, and I honestly don't believe that I will be alive in this realm at the time of the Second Coming.
Truly none of us knows the day or hour of His coming!
Why not ? Could come in five or less years or way way less .
Just found out about the James Webb telescope Saw 500 object is coming towards earth could it be the 10lost tribes coming to save earth
Ha! We sure need some saving!
No the 10 lost tribes are just lost to their identity .
Who are you to say you do not know
@@cathyskelton5958 and do not forget what Joseph Smith was told in the doctrine and covenants . Until the sons of Levi do again offer up a offering in righteousness . And you ate the Sons of Levi who will offer up again the offering in righteousness . Baptism for the dead .
WhY happened to my first response to you ? Where did it go ?
I don't understand your symbol?
I was wondering about that as well.
My podcast, websites, etc., are about bringing the scriptures to life for everyone. Out of the dust (see outofthedust.org) is the idea that those who have gone before us can still speak to us, and teach us and help us receive new life as a result. One of the things I do is direct an excavation. Before I was part of it, the excavation found a golden mummy. She had a scarab beetle on the back of her head, and we fashioned the logo of the excavation after that beetle.
The dung, or scarab, beetle will end up laying its eggs in a ball of dung, and rolling it along in front of it, until the babies spring forth from it. Thus, the scarab beetle pushing the "sun" became a symbol of new life, or rebirth. Since my excavation is about bringing the life of ancient people to light, and since my scripture work is about bringing ancient people's lives and ideas to life, etc., I have made all of my logos reflect this scarab beetle somehow. The TSAR logo incorporates both the pyramid (also about regeneration) and the beetle. Thus it is doubly about bringing the ancients to life again in our lives today. This hopefully helps us be born again.
I hope that helps the logo make sense.
@@TheScripturesAreReal Well, that’s pretty cool.
Within the institution of religion being resolved with parables The parable of a mustard seed it's not a parable it's sarcasm it's the Savior saying what is wrong with you if you only had the faith of a mustard seed but you don't even have that and then showed you I want with you I've told you but you still understand so therefore I'm going to leave you with the holy Spirit they will never leave you or forsake you in my own words. One more thing before I get off here you don't need to prepare for the coming you need to walk in his image that's it, just be Christ like.
I agree that the way we prepare is to be Christlike. That is it, do what He would do, love like He would love. That way you are doing and loving as the Father does and loves.
@@TheScripturesAreReal Jesus made a whip and used it.
"15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables;"
John 2:15
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@@Veevslav1 true
What ever. He most likely just buried it around my scars them out .
@@lindamartinez7006 Go read the old Testament, then read the book of Revelation.
He USED the whip and meant it.
You lost me at “the Book of Mormon” and Joseph Smith”…..
Just keep trying ;)