I once heard a story of a German high ranked officer (major or a colonel) who together with his troops rushed across a river so they could surrender to the allies instead of the russians... he asked to go back so he could gather some more of his men... the soldiers told him he could but only if he brought back some luger's since every allied soldier being British,American,Candadian etc. wanted one as a souvenir... they told him if he came back without a bag of lugers he'd be shot when crossing the river... tells alot about the legend of the luger.
Lol smart question. The Russians being bad guys as they were even from that time, could not have been "allies" no? In reality the Russians were also "allies" but as my sarcasm above shows, today's western people deny them the credit of fighting on the same side. They even spread lies like it was the Americans/British who won the war whereas most effort was put in by the Russians. It's evident from the casualties alone: British/Americans count them in the hundreds of thousands, the Russians... in tens of millions. Yes that's true.
Over 100 years later....... john Moses Browning's slider drop barrel pistol is the most popular pistol design. Luger's 9mm cartridge is the most popular cartridge design.
Handloaders know that the .45 ACP has lots of knock down power, but also can be loaded for target shooting. That little .36 caliber popgun is not that versatile.
@@bobsradio6025 45 ACP is more powerful than 9mm, but slower and a lot less accurate. And unless you're shooting a rampaging drug addict, there isn't much difference in strength. 9mm Parabellum is literally the most veratile cartridge in the world. You can also get much larger magazines with it. I'd much rather take 17 rounds of 9mm than 7 rounds of 45.
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Well it is mostly outclassed by quite a few modern handguns the fact that the 1911 has remained a popular pick for over a century and still has advantages over some much more modern sidearms is astounding.
Both 1911 and the P08 are still pretty viable even today, that says alot. Only thing with the luger is that after 100 years, the mag springs tend to get iffy and cause a malfunction here and there. Other than that, it's def not the best, over complicated and expensive to produce, specially against the 1911. Both are just beautiful guns tho.
The P08 is balanced for a recoil impulse from a fairly stout load, the original load designed by Georg Luger is today what we call a +P load with a over 120 grain bullet. The P08 got a reputation for being ureliable by military personel who brought it back from Europe as a sovenir, but that was because of the weak 9 mm ammunition loaded by US ammo manufacturers they used, it did not generate enough recoil. Give it +P loads with at least 115 grain, preferably over 120 grain RN (of course) bullets, and it is very reliable. Cheers.
Excellent point. The Luger gets a bad rep but I feel it's a masterpiece in design. I'd still go for a 1911 in battle as I just love .45 ACP as a combat round. Apples and oranges...
@@PhilipTrouble I wanted to buy one myself and was advised on using rounds with the max energy delivery a 9mm can handle. Also the Luger does not fire well with light tipped rounds like hollow points. The harder the gas has to push the projectile out, the harder it will work the toggle arm.
I'm a canuck whose grandfather was a combatant in WWII. When I was a kid, my dad had among his gun collection a German Luger. The story dad told me is that at some point during the push of the Canadian Army Corps through Holland they had captured a German Unit. As the German prisoners were filing past a point where Grandpa was standing, he happened to notice a German officer who still had his holstered pistol, whereupon he demanded that the officer relinquish the gun to him. Grandpa secreted the pistol back to Canada (who could blame him for taking such a cool souvenir?), and some time after the war he gave the gun to my dad. In the 1960's when our bureaucrats started regulating handguns my dad duly registered it with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP), who were the mandated authority to handle these things. My dad even had an official letter of registry authorizing him to possess this gun, signed by an RCMP Seargent, which is the way these things were done back then. Fast forward to two years ago, and out of the blue my dad (now 86) receives a notification from the RCMP informing him that their records show he has an "unregistered" hand gun, and he was forced to turn it in. They refused to recognize the official document issued in the '60s, and would not allow him to register the pistol in accordance with modern regs. So sad that a treasured possession with a cool personal family connection was callously snatched away by overzealous bureaucratic edict.
+Riles Mattix Thanks guys. The other day I went to the Grand Opening of a new Cabela's in town, and walking by the gun counter I noticed a beautiful Umarex SAA Colt 45 bb gun, which is a very well made reproduction of the real thing. Well, I just couldn't resist buying it, and will keep it hidden away as a reminder of what once was, as I am sure some day the authorities will be confiscating all handguns up here, probably even replicas! Around here you even have to hide from your neighbors to plink at cans in your own backyard, lest you get reported to the Police. Sigh...
That is sad. My dad offered to get the restricted firearms permit (for which he would be perfectly qualified), but no dice. They are totally unyielding.
Im from Austria, and we found a luger in a Cereal storage under the roof at Renovation work. The gun was in very good condition and still works !! No rust nothing the owner of this gun has to know how to store this baby.
I bet you´ve already heard but just to make sure: As a german shooter i can tell you that you need a new springset for the Luger P08 or some harder loaded ammo. I got hands on one and was so dissapointed when i first shot it because every third shot jammed. The president of my club and gun specialist saw that and told me the the P 08 was supposed to be used up to about 50 Meters. He gave me a package of original war ammo and everything worked just fine! Greetings from Hamburg, Germany
@@literallyshaking8019it's highly regulated, but after a year in a shoot club you can have a gun. But you need to choose one of the best you can buy then. Because you can only own 2 handguns.
The 1911 saw more change than the Luger which was basically the same as the first prototype compared to the last model, only difference between the third model of it was the spring was changed for coil spring and some tiny minor changes to perfect it, the Luger is in essence a perfected design of the gun it was based on.
The M1911 to me is like the first modern handgun. It feels right. It was used by the US Military for 70 years until the Beretta M9. The Luger is beautiful as well. It's a true piece of art. The Germans were very technologically advanced.
It is true. The M1911 was very influential, and most gun designs are based off of it. The Luger was made 3 years before it, hence the outdated mechanism.
Thats because everyone gun was inspired by or copied the M1911. the only gun to be inspired by and copy the p08 Lugar is the Japanese Nambu.....the most unsafe gun in history.
I think that because the 1911 is such a near perfect design that it is still copied by almost every gun manufacturer, it is still very modern and competitive, I’d venture to say it’s the most popular configuration of handgun except the glock family.
+wales2k The Luger dates back to 1900 though, while it's predecessor C93 dates to 1893. It was adopted in 1904 by the German Navy and in 1908 by the Army.
The two guns were designed by very different companies who had different design goals. Like Hickock says, the Luger was designed for officers, the 1911 for battlefield soldiers. Both are enduring icons of an earlier era.
The Luger an officers pistol? For what I read in several sources German WW1 Wehrmacht doctrine was that pistols were for non-infantry personnel, like artillery, panzer, machine gunners, drivers, and that with allied forces (British, French ) it was for officers. That explains why there were produced only 125k British Webley revolvers and over 3 mln Lugers (in 50 year) , Walther P38 produced 1mln in just 6 years. vs 4mln 1911s in a century.
@@lws7394 IIRC, at least by the WW2 era, the Luger P08 was more of an officer's handgun, while if an average serviceman in the Wehrmacht owned a sidearm, it was usually the more contemporary Walther P38. So when talking about WW2 I think it's fairly accurate to say that the Luger was a fancy officer's sidearm. Honestly comparing the Walther P38 to the M1911 might be a more accurate comparison when talking less about historical significance and impact and more about the niches the weapons filled in their respective armies.
Enjoy watching your videos, very informative. My father was also in WW11. He was a pilot in the 509th. They were the very top secret group that dropped the atomic bombs on the Japanese Empire. He flew on both missions. He came home with trunks of equipment from the war, radio equipment , flight suits, parachute and everything that he had to have when they flew including his 1911. The crew members would fly with their 1911's. That was the first pistol I ever shot. When we went rabbit or deer hunting we would all take a turn on it. My oldest brother ended up with that firearm. Both the 1911 and the P08 Luger are truly incredible works of art.
I do carry my WWII PO8 which my father brought back from the war. It isn’t an everyday carry, but fairly often. My 1911 is also a favorite carry; however, not every day. Be it nostalgia and fond memories of my father, or just owning a unique piece of history few others have, and especially carry, I love my PO8. I’ve never had the problems with mine as you have with the one you demonstrated on your video. In old vintage firearms, many are not kept in good condition and/or maintained properly, so over many years of being kept in that condition (especially since the PO8 was made to such tight tolerances) I would expect the problems with it you encountered. Needless to say, I love mine, it has never failed me and I do rely on it from time to time. I love all your shows and appreciate the quality of your presentations. Best of Luck, Jim Marye Colonel, U. S. Army (Retired)
It makes me happy hearing you're able to have those memories and something tangible to link them to! Cheers! Thanks to you and your father for your service!
I have an artillery Luger. It has a (I'm guessing) 9" barrel. It shoots very, very accurately. It's a much faster round than the 1911 but the energy of both rounds is very similar. I suspect that the 1911 would be better at close range and the Luger better at greater distances. The recoil on the Luger is much less than the 1911. The Luger looks to be a more precision weapon but the 1911 still looks extremely functional. The Luger is _very_ fussy about the ammunition. (But) using a powerful round, from a quality manufacturer, it never misfires. The 1911 seeems to be a lot less particular about the ammo. For home defense, either would be devastatingly effective. Another gun to consider is the Walther P38. This is even more particular about the round (needs a really powerful bullet) but is beautifully made and very easy to service and maintain. (With the "gray ghost" finish, the P38 never tarnishes or rusts. I have one - it's 77 years old and the finish is perfect).
The p08 artillery has almost the double barrel length , so it surely is more accurate (even comes with long-range sights) but therefore heavier and less manoeuvrable
Ian Rivlin: I liked your post and agree on your observation regarding calibers. I fired an artillery P-08 too (25 years ago at least) really nice gun, more accurate than the regular P-08 of course with the longer barrel. What I would really like to see is a video comparison of the P-38 and the 1911 since they are both still in production (or the P-38 was until a few years back). Actually, the P-38 is even better to shoot than the P-08 and feels a lot more modern to handle except for the magasin release at the heel of the handle. My Dad has a very nice example with the engraving 'TO THE FREE DANISH' (resistance) originally take of a German officer by the resistance and then engraved of course. It's obvious to feel the quality of the workmanship of the pistol when you handle it, field strip it and shoot it. Unfortunately, I have never had the chance to even hold or shoot a 1911 but I'm sure it must be really nice, sturdy and a pleasure to shoot. And just as a fun footnote: Back in 1989 when I left the Royal Danish Airforce, I handed in my M1 Garrand! they were still issued as personal weapons into the '90s for non-frontline troops in our Airforce, the Army had second-hand battered ex-German Army G-3's with wooden stocks. Thankfully the cold war stayed cold!
@@jenslarsen4519 I also handed In my Garand when the Australians had a guns buy back (1997). Sometime later, guns that were handled in, were finding themselves in the hands of armed criminals. Some corrupt police officers were selling the guns to "baddies" instead of crushing them. Whenever the government says it's doing something for your own good - DON'T BELIEVE THEM...
The Luger's grip angle seems extreme, and, as my father at one time had about 25-30 Lugers, I did conduct a 'pick it up with eyes close, extend arm with one in firing grip, then open eyes.... The damn sights were PRECISELY aligned with my eye. I'm convinced, it's damn well a natural pointer!
The 1911 is cheaper, which is why it’s more prolific. Also, The PO8 is a little more difficult to manipulate, due to the fact that the German military tried to ensure that their soldiers were competent when dealing with firearms, so they didn’t necessarily idiot-proof them. But! They perform pretty darn well in rough and cold conditions, sometimes better than modern guns Also, I recommend a new spring for the magazine in the PO8, and hotter ammunition: Winchester white box is too lightly loaded.
@@tomashoekstra8011 F-4 Phantom isn't really great at all, and way outdated today. Actually became outdated around the 80s. Also looks kinda ugly imo. Just a brick with engines.
I'm not an native english speaker. I'm not a german native speaker neither. I speak three languages. What did he mean with: ok, I went backwards 15:14?
It was very outdated compared to the 1911 in world war 2. That’s why it was used rarely compared to the p38, of you want a classy gun, the p38 surely is.
His comparison between the two is just a bit unfair... by his own admission, he's much more familiar with the 1911 than the Luger. If he spent more time with the Luger he'd be much more proficient with it...
@@farfoe5106 I mean overall the 1911 is basically the basis of almost every modern sidearm. Plus the P-08 was outdated by the time of world war 2, whereas the build quality of the 1911 wasn’t really affected much, as it even still holds up to modern specs, other then the single stack magazine of course.
The po8 is a very beautiful gun and a great piece of history but I have shot a lot of them and I would not want to carry one into combat, not reliable at all, to right of a weapon
My uncle had a huge collection of lugers and one of them in 7.65mm. I was 8 when he taught me to shoot these guns on a range he had set up in his basement. Great memories, favorite uncle. R.I.P. uncle I miss you..
***** Yeah, the older ones tend to be a bit worn out, and yes, some things could be solved better, but like a car or anything else I always put things in context with age.....
Your comparison of the Schofield vs the Colt SAA to the 1911 vs Luger P-08 was absolutely spot on. Both gun guns, but the 1911 and SAA clones over the years that continue to be manufactured today does say a lot. That said, I’d love to get a remanifucatured P-08 as a hobbyist. That and the Mauser.
The main "issue" with the P08 is, that she's a little bit more complicated which makes it more expensive to produce + that she doesn't shoot 9mm Bullets to my knowledge. Otherwise, the P08 will be perform mostly as good as the 1911 if you replace the Magazin Spring with a slighty stronger one.
@@DaroriDerEinzige Are you saying the Luger doesn't shoot 9mm bullets? Because 9×19mm cartridges were quite literally designed by Georg Luger for that exact gun, hence why the ammo is called "9mm Luger"
As far as I know the 3 main reasons of a luger jamming are as follows: 1 Underpowered ammo. Most 9mm ammo in the US today is underpowered. Luger's spec for his 9MM ammo is a 124Gr FMJ moving at 400+ meters per second out of the standard luger barrel. (That is over 1300 FPS). (Do your own research but all I read so far as that these guns do not like weak loads). 2 Bad magazines. (Even 1911-s had this problem and weren't that popular with the modding crown till Wilson Combat really upped the level with their mags) 3 Worn out springs. If your Luger jams often, it is recommended to change out the springs for a fresh one. I believe that Wolf makes them and it will restore the guns reliability in a big way if the previous 2 items are addressed.
Jake Hansen. Actually the Luger is a lot more reliable than you give it credit for. I actually used mine as a secondary in 2 and 3 gun matches (Just because, why not haha) and never had a jam. There is a video out on the channel In Range TV you should check out where they put a luger in a mud test. I was actually surprised by those results, but it reinforced my belief regarding the quality of this gun. However, I will not do that kind of abuse to mine if I can help it.
Lino Klein Meuleman. Thanks for the compliment. However, I am far from an expert. I own one and can only share my experience and what I know from research and what I seen with others.
jake hansen The Luger actually holds up pretty well to dirt and mud. The problems with Lugers are, as previously mentioned, low pressure ammo, bad magazine design, and worn springs.
That correct diet reportedly would be anything with a NATO symbol on it. Lugers were made to fire German submachinegun ammo. It was much hotter than average US commercial 9mm ball. Lugers like it hot. (Also amazing what a new set of springs will do for a pistol.)
@@stephendovi8894 Lugers like it hot, Love it, ...sounds like a war/porn movie! Yep, i used surplus MOD ammo bought on the cheap by my local range before they were banned here in the UK in `97.
I have read that most .22 RF autoloading pistols prefer one brand of ammo over the others. That must be a common fault with autoloaders. My solution, get a 1911 or get a revolver.
@@bobsradio6025 first of all the 1911 is an auto loader, secondly that sound like a rim fire problem not an automatic problem. I’ve shot plenty of 22 pistols and quite frankly unless you’re using an old gun that needs standards you can pretty much give it whatever, now wether it’s accurate is a separate matter, now i have seen one finicky 22 but if you gave it mini mags it ran fine but in my experience that’s been the exception rather than the rule.
Best WW2 handguns: 1. 1911 2. Luger 3. Tokarev 4. Browning hi power 5. Anything made in either Germany or US Last: Nambu doesn’t get a number because it’s just plain awful.
Exactly...anybody saying they'd take the Luger needs to shoot one...you lose sight of your target every time you pull the trigger....not much good in a life and death situation. The mechanism may look cool, but the 1911 is going to be more useful when it comes to self defense.
Adeum Deus The toggle is in your line of sight for perhaps a whole tenth of a second. The Luger has issues, but that's not one of them. It's susceptibility to dirt, the awkwardness of the safety, the sensitivity to different types of ammo, and the difficulty loading the magazines are much more real complaints to make against it.
Adeum Deus Remember the Luger was for officers who do not shoot much. Or they were used to execute people on their knees. 8 rounds are not much in a gun fight. Comfort over the 45 is one great thing you have to have held both on target. the sight loss on the target is after the load is on its way. And the loss lasts much less than a second.
My father was stationed in Germany back in the 1960's, for the US Military. He brought back a P08. From the research I've done, it's mostly a genuine model. There is only 1 part, maybe 2 that are from another P08 model. Still, it worked great. He had no issues with it for years, though he only shot it a few times from the time he got back in the late 60's through the 80's. He never shot it after that. So when he died it came to me. I had a friend of mine help me with cleaning it up, and making sure everything was ok with it. I took it shooting, and I didn't have the problems I'm seeing here, except for one problem. Anyway, I spent a day at the range with it, and it only malfunctioned once...which I would say was pretty good due to the fact that it wasn't shot for 30 years. It was pretty accurate after I figured out the sights. My only issue was the damn magazines. They were super hard to load. I could only get 5 rounds in before my hand was too tired to continue. So my friend and I did our best to clean them up, and we oiled up the springs as well. After that they were much easier to load...still stiff, but the more I work with them the better they are getting. Though I won't complain about stiff magazines due to the fact that they are 80 years old and still functioning. It's a wonderful and amazingly engineered firearm, and I love it to death.
Talon Vaughn my grate uncle was in the 101 air born . 20 years ago he showed me a nickel plated PO8 ( Lugar ) with the exact same type of markings and engravings that you were describing . He told me that was an officers pistol . That he took off a German officer . He said all the guys wanted one for a souvenir . Your comment just reminded me of it
When I bought mine, I could have gotten an ss stamped one, but, considering what the ss used them for, I didn't want to take the chance. There has got to be some bad juju in an ss gun.
Great to see how this channel has changed, but stayed the same, over the last 10 years!!! The best firearm review channel to ever grace the internet, in my humble opinion!!!
If I had the choice I would definitely pick the 1911. Hard hitting, reliable and ageless looks. The luger is a cool looking weapon put I rather have it as mere collection item.
Great day for me, this morning I watched you show an M14 and now a 1911-----the first half of my tour with 2/9 3rd mar div1968 I carried the 1911, no rifle as I was a navy corpsman, probably 25years ago I got one, quite used but wonderful to me. Then in the 2ed half of my tour 1969 I was with third shore party, I acquired am M14 and loved it too much, now 5o years to the year I bought a new one. In my working years I couldn't begin to afford one, I am so happy to have it if only I could hold it up? To me no finer for the job at hand. Bless you all. Den
The 1911 is widely accepted as the best military pistol ever. But that doesn't mean the p08 Luger isn't good. In fact the the p08 is extremely cool, I don't even know if there's a more Psycho-sexual pistol then the Luger.
Michael McBroom As much as I know, the Borchard pistol was the first automatic pistol. If you look at it it was very clumsy and not well suited for the anatomy of the hand. It had the same mecanism as the 08 pistol. The first pistol with a more modern system was the Mauser C96. All those pistols were made of milled parts which made production expensive. In Germany nobody counted on a long lasting war, so it did not seem necessary to produce a new pistol, there seemed to be more urgent developments. When it became evident more pistols were needed it was clear that a cheeper model had to be produced. That was the birthday of the P38. So if you want to compare sidearms you probably should take the P38 and the 1911. I myself like to shoot my 08 but in a situation of defense i`d prefer the P38.
corvus corax yes correct.... the p38 was a foreward thinking weapon... infact the Beretta 92 is basicly a son of the p38... also the walther pp series was also excellent. all these pistols are amazing when you compare them to modern firearms.... Even the Walther PPK to today's standards only looses out on mag size, but nothing else.
I used to go shooting with my Dad, amongst his collection he owned a Luger P08 which was from memory made under licence. He also owned a Tom Neild custom 1911. Tom was the British team Olympic armourer in the 1972 Olympics in Munich, which had that terrorist attack. We used to reload both 9mm and. 45 rounds. We used to go shooting at the indoor range called Pennine Shooting Centre in Rochdale, UK. When my Dad retired, he handed over all his firearms to me but after I started a family, I felt uneasy having firearms in the house. Shortly afterwards successfully selling the whole collection, there was the Dunblane shooting in Scotland and the UK drastically changed the firearm laws. I would have had to surrender everything and would have been given virtually nothing. I support the American Constitution and the Right to bear arms. Thank you for this video, it has brought back very happy memories of my Dad and me.
It's been many years since I fired a P08, but I still say it's the best "feel" of any pistol I've ever held. It feels like it's making love to your hand. OTOH, the 1911 is the rational choice to stake your life on.
When my first wife took off she took my 1911 along, leaving me with a Luger. The final settlement brought my 45 back home where it still is 35 years later.
The Luger is introduced 1911. First world war. In the second world war the standard pistol had been the P 34. The Luger was only in use when there where not enough P34 Mausers.
@glock 44 my favorite weapon in fact is my reproduction of a German long sword from the 1470ies. My favorite short firearm is the Colt 45 Peacemaker. My favorite rifle is the Sharps carbine. I am old fashionate.
My grandfather was in the German army then (he was drafted, he didn't go in willingly) and was able to bring back all of his gear (uniform, helmet, and weapons) he brought back his k98 and his p08. I currently have both of the guns in my home and that p08 is one of the most beautiful pieces of weaponry I own
Many years ago I bought a 1932, 1911 very worn but shot well once you got the way of it, Sold it as you do when young, Was living in Germany later and was allowed to shoot a Submarine Po8 with 8inch barrell, 2 inch group with 5 rounds at 25 metres using Norma Luger 9mm, I believe this was also an artillery pistol as well, Need a P38.
@@delalicanto7432 You're saying because he wasn't gung-ho about being in the army the current government and prior to it made him feel guilty so he daren't admit he volunteered. Or he genuinely believed that what Hitler was attempting was wrong, see its arrogant Germans that gave the nation a bad name.
been watching hickock45 since i was like 14-15 years old. im 23 now and have learned so much and own a fine collection myself now. thanks for getting me so interested in the hobby hickck
I really like your comparisons. You compare the guns objectively and not patriotic. Im not saying you are not patriotic but you mention the facts about both weapon and make your choice reasonable. Keep doing your videos :) Greeting from Germany
P08; one word of warning: Be damn sure chamber is clear before stripping. When the barrel-toggle group is separate from the grip, if you accidentally trip the sear, it will fire. This is why you need to know the manual of arms of the arm you are using. I saw this demoed with a primed case in the chamber. This is no different than knowing to keep an empty chamber under the hammer on an original Model P Colt revolver.
@Gotobar 1313 "Did you just reply to yourself?" -- He responded to someone else who later deleted his comment. Happens all the time. That's why it helps to quote the relevant portion to avoid ambiguity.
First expert pistol medal In Navy was on 1911. Loved it. Always reliable. Did joke about the loose tolerance, but it did the job. Marine gunny training us made us tear down “blindfolded”. Another nice feature is easy to clean. Wish I had the money when the Seabees had a 50th Anniversary limited release. Still looking for one today. Good memories
I really like your historical videos, I would love a chance to get my hands on some of these old guns. I really like 1911 i have the remington 1911 r1 and really enjoy shooting it
The P08 should be reproduced. I bought one, it's tooo nice to carry, but is very accurate. I would buy a clone to carry!!!!! The feel of both are great. I love the P08. I have normal size hands. I have 3-1911's. All accurate as well. The P08 mags are stiff. I loaded them and kept them loaded now for about 7 months now. Hopefully next time, they will be easier to load. Both Iconic war weapons!!
Luger is an iconic gun I own more than one. The Luger shown on the table has the historically broken off notch on the left side grip panel (especially notable at 0:51), so this gun was taken apart at one point and not carefully put back together. But, as one poster noted, the best of each has been kept from time immemorial: The drop in barrel with slide action, and the 9mm Luger Parabellum round. I like the Video, and I usually just adore Hickok45 for the commentary, but on the Luger, there are some issues. Several folks noted reliability issues, and yes, in a dirty environment, there can be owing to tolerances. One poster correctly noted the ammunition issue. I have a 1939 Luger, and it functions fine with Winchester white box. The issue with loading the magazine is due to the fact that you do not have the little loading tool that came with the gun when it was issued. You can get one relatively cheaply, or if you have any machining access, making a functional one is a very simple matter. Many people also do not like the grip angle of the Luger, because it was designed as a "natural pointer". I find that the only issue I have is that prolonged firing tends to give me a bit of a blister on the knuckle of my thumb right where it is below the safety. More owing to how my hand wraps around the grip. Other's YMMV. Ruger did copy the grip angle from the Luger, so if you like shooting a Ruger Mark IV in most of the models, you'll be fine with the Luger. The feeding issue that Hickok45 had can be a magazine issue and I noticed that the pistol was a bit dirty in the start. Cleanliness is a Luger's friend, and they were designed to take down and clean often, especially since primers were very caustic back then. With the mag, he's using an 80 year old magazine. I have the matching ones for my Luger and they work, but when I take it to the range, I use the MecGar magazines. MecGar still, to this day, makes mags for the Luger pistol and I've found that they work fairly well. Feed lips and springs in the old ones just tire out, esp if they were used actively. Remember...80 year old technology made the gun and mags. The oldest Lugers are over 120 years old. The Luger, as used for a carry firearm, just requires you to practice the 5 count draw. At count 4, where both hands come together and right before you push out, you deactivate the safety with your support side hand as it comes to wrap around the pistol. If you are a lefty, the draw is similar, but you deactivate the safety with your left thumb as the hands come together, primarily to maintain control. Lefties could deactivate it as it clears leather, but that leaves you open to a possible negligent discharge if you mishandle it by accident. The absolute ONLY reason I do not carry mine, is that if I were ever involved in a concealed carry incident here in California, when they take the pistol for evidence, I'll never see it again. The cops would find a way to keep it. Also, the sights on the standard 4" war models are very hard to use. It takes some getting used to. A tiny, almost insignificant "V" notch rear sight and a tapered front sight means you need to create a "diamond", where the very tip of the front sight is level with the top of the rear sight and it's centered at the top of the "V". But I can put 9mm through the same hole at 20 yards with this gun. It's as accurate as any revolver. My only regret is American Eagle stopped making them in the late 90s.
Its not a luger, but I ran into and talked with an older gentleman who was open carrying an old 32acp mauser at walmart the other day, with drzm marks and everything. He told me about an old Astra and some other rare guns he had and also about his time teaching service dogs for the washington, dc police force, many moons ago. Was really neat to connect with someone i never knew, over a simple pistol.
The experiential difference between a 1911 and the Luger, is that the .45 feels like you are aiming a pistol, but the luger feels like an extension of your body, like pointing a finger. I remember thinking "I dont have to aim this, it hits right where im looking" the first time I fired one. That being said, the Colt wins hands down for overall design and will likely be around until we move on to non-kinetic weapons.
You ve nailed it! Regards from germany. The 08 is a diva, the 1911 a workhorse. Brownings masterpeace, due to his mindset found inside, is the FN high power. The modern high capacity, ich dual action handgun, made pre ww2....
When I shot the og Luger my grandpa bought for $20 back in the 70s, that’s exactly what I realized. I could keep both eyes open and whatever I was looking at I’d hit and with a good tight grouping. I have never been as accurate with any other pistol I’ve shot
@@craigthescott5074 I have two myself as well. One numbers matching 1918 and one non matching that I carry. Replaced all the springs in the one I carry and it’s super reliable.
@@BamaPewPew yep I have two S42’s both matching numbers. One I shoot the other is too nice I got it with its original holster and matching mags which is really rare. I believe it was a WW2 bring back. I haven’t shot it yet but I will.
My Dad was a WW2 Marine Raider. So when I was a young man I got to shoot his 1911's! Which I thought were great pistols. My Uncle left me his Luger which became my first Luger. I enjoyed firing it as well & over the years I have owned some nice Lugers. I no longer fire the Lugers but I still get the 1911 out quite a bit. I guess if I was in a war I would hands down take the 1911 over the Luger. That being said I have always enjoyed shooting the Lugers as well! Thanks for posting such a cool video!
As much as I love German engineering, I'd settle for the 1911. A true , reliable workhorse. That's what you need when the heat is on. Many thanks Hickock 45 for the uploads. I'm a huge fan , even though I'll never get the chance to fire any of these guns in the UK. Hang on to your second amendment!
Having both of these pistols, I would stand to say the 1911 is more practical and reliable. My Luger is a 1917 DWM and it works great, i have carried on several occasions, but my standard carry is a 1911. Both are great in their own special way, but i wouldn't take the Luger over the 1911 in any scenario.
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I love that he doesn’t just shoot the guns, he actually tells us the story about it and everything.
He's a mix of Ian from forgotten weapons and Demo ranch
ya i like that...
And that’s why I’m subscribed
Yess
It’s almost as if he was a teacher!
I once heard a story of a German high ranked officer (major or a colonel) who together with his troops rushed across a river so they could surrender to the allies instead of the russians... he asked to go back so he could gather some more of his men... the soldiers told him he could but only if he brought back some luger's since every allied soldier being British,American,Candadian etc. wanted one as a souvenir... they told him if he came back without a bag of lugers he'd be shot when crossing the river... tells alot about the legend of the luger.
+rsca is god im sure u werent there but would they really shoot their own guy for not bringing a bag of guns?
Not their own... the allies told him that as they all wanted a luger as souvenir
rsca is god who are the allies? the americans?
Oreodogify
most likely
Lol smart question. The Russians being bad guys as they were even from that time, could not have been "allies" no?
In reality the Russians were also "allies" but as my sarcasm above shows, today's western people deny them the credit of fighting on the same side. They even spread lies like it was the Americans/British who won the war whereas most effort was put in by the Russians. It's evident from the casualties alone: British/Americans count them in the hundreds of thousands, the Russians... in tens of millions. Yes that's true.
Over 100 years later.......
john Moses Browning's slider drop barrel pistol is the most popular pistol design.
Luger's 9mm cartridge is the most popular cartridge design.
Two great tastes that taste great together. 😄
@@robertscott2210 indeed
@@robertscott2210 I prefer gods round
Handloaders know that the .45 ACP has lots of knock down power, but also can be loaded for target shooting.
That little .36 caliber popgun is not that versatile.
@@bobsradio6025 45 ACP is more powerful than 9mm, but slower and a lot less accurate. And unless you're shooting a rampaging drug addict, there isn't much difference in strength. 9mm Parabellum is literally the most veratile cartridge in the world. You can also get much larger magazines with it. I'd much rather take 17 rounds of 9mm than 7 rounds of 45.
this dude is literally the bob ross of guns
You hit the nail on the head!
That is an amazing comparison
@@TheCskin26
Google global truth project and read "the Present" to see the truth about life/death. Nothing is more important than checking it is true, especially pgs 1-4
I put my vote in for Mr. Rodgers.
Because every gun is special just for existing.
The Bob Ross of comments ha
The 1911 is a timeless design. Even today the 1911 looks contemporary. Wow!!
Well it is mostly outclassed by quite a few modern handguns the fact that the 1911 has remained a popular pick for over a century and still has advantages over some much more modern sidearms is astounding.
One of my favorite guns in the m1911
Both 1911 and the P08 are still pretty viable even today, that says alot.
Only thing with the luger is that after 100 years, the mag springs tend to get iffy and cause a malfunction here and there.
Other than that, it's def not the best, over complicated and expensive to produce, specially against the 1911.
Both are just beautiful guns tho.
Luger is still and will always be the best so dont go thinkin that the 1911 is better
Wyatt Toves lol I see there’s someone on at the same time as me so hi :D also sry but I prefer 1911 because MURICA HOOYAH lmao
The P08 is balanced for a recoil impulse from a fairly stout load, the original load designed by Georg Luger is today what we call a +P load with a over 120 grain bullet. The P08 got a reputation for being ureliable by military personel who brought it back from Europe as a sovenir, but that was because of the weak 9 mm ammunition loaded by US ammo manufacturers they used, it did not generate enough recoil. Give it +P loads with at least 115 grain, preferably over 120 grain RN (of course) bullets, and it is very reliable.
Cheers.
👍👍👍
Exactly
Excellent point. The Luger gets a bad rep but I feel it's a masterpiece in design. I'd still go for a 1911 in battle as I just love .45 ACP as a combat round. Apples and oranges...
Absolutely right. The Germans knew that the 9 mm wasn't always enough so they increased its power.
If you hit your target it`s the Luger. If you kill your foe by throwing a lump of metal at him it`s a 1911
That luger jam was caused by weak magazine spring.
I've heard the weapon works best with hotter rounds. Maybe that caused the hang up
@@PrinceAlhorian Guess I need to bring a blow torch when I come across a Luger than
@@randomuser684 I'm pretty sure he meant rounds using more gunpowder than regular, modern 9mm cartridges
@@PhilipTrouble I wanted to buy one myself and was advised on using rounds with the max energy delivery a 9mm can handle. Also the Luger does not fire well with light tipped rounds like hollow points. The harder the gas has to push the projectile out, the harder it will work the toggle arm.
If the magazine isn’t working than the whole gun won’t.
Few things as pure as hickok's little giggle of joy when he shoots with his toys
I'm a canuck whose grandfather was a combatant in WWII. When I was a kid, my dad had among his gun collection a German Luger. The story dad told me is that at some point during the push of the Canadian Army Corps through Holland they had captured a German Unit. As the German prisoners were filing past a point where Grandpa was standing, he happened to notice a German officer who still had his holstered pistol, whereupon he demanded that the officer relinquish the gun to him. Grandpa secreted the pistol back to Canada (who could blame him for taking such a cool souvenir?), and some time after the war he gave the gun to my dad. In the 1960's when our bureaucrats started regulating handguns my dad duly registered it with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP), who were the mandated authority to handle these things. My dad even had an official letter of registry authorizing him to possess this gun, signed by an RCMP Seargent, which is the way these things were done back then. Fast forward to two years ago, and out of the blue my dad (now 86) receives a notification from the RCMP informing him that their records show he has an "unregistered" hand gun, and he was forced to turn it in. They refused to recognize the official document issued in the '60s, and would not allow him to register the pistol in accordance with modern regs. So sad that a treasured possession with a cool personal family connection was callously snatched away by overzealous bureaucratic edict.
That is truly unfortunate
Jack Rabbit I am so sorry for you. living in Canada with such a past must be hard. it's terrible what your bureaucrats are doing!
+Riles Mattix Thanks guys. The other day I went to the Grand Opening of a new Cabela's in town, and walking by the gun counter I noticed a beautiful Umarex SAA Colt 45 bb gun, which is a very well made reproduction of the real thing. Well, I just couldn't resist buying it, and will keep it hidden away as a reminder of what once was, as I am sure some day the authorities will be confiscating all handguns up here, probably even replicas! Around here you even have to hide from your neighbors to plink at cans in your own backyard, lest you get reported to the Police. Sigh...
That is sad. My dad offered to get the restricted firearms permit (for which he would be perfectly qualified), but no dice. They are totally unyielding.
Jack Rabbit ok
Im from Austria, and we found a luger in a Cereal storage under the roof at Renovation work.
The gun was in very good condition and still works !! No rust nothing the owner of this gun has to know how to store this baby.
For sale? I pay good
Los geht's Österreich Deutschland Schweiz Liechtenstein ☝️🥇
What else did you find ?
The luger was a widely saught after souvineer of ww2a anyways at least thats something .
The Luger certainly the coolest, even if it's less practical.
Awaiting Input I get a lot of folks like it, but it just looks weird to me. Not good, not bad, just weird, like a space ray gun in a sci fi movie
I really like the Luger but the 1911 will always be my number 1
@@retrobeast2745 lol ikr
@@retrobeast2745 luger’s design came from sport pistols where people shoots on result
@@retrobeast2745 That’s why I love it
I bet you´ve already heard but just to make sure: As a german shooter i can tell you that you need a new springset for the Luger P08 or some harder loaded ammo. I got hands on one and was so dissapointed when i first shot it because every third shot jammed. The president of my club and gun specialist saw that and told me the the P 08 was supposed to be used up to about 50 Meters. He gave me a package of original war ammo and everything worked just fine! Greetings from Hamburg, Germany
I had no idea you could own pistols in Germany. I thought the EU was very anti-gun.
yup... they´re trying hard...@@literallyshaking8019
@@literallyshaking8019it's highly regulated, but after a year in a shoot club you can have a gun. But you need to choose one of the best you can buy then. Because you can only own 2 handguns.
@@2fast4u34521 Are there any complex storage regulations? Like having to store unloaded pistols in a separate safe from the ammunition?
@@williamzk9083 it's okay to own one safe with separated parts in it. One part for guns and another for ammo.
The 1911 is like a Zippo. Not a lot of changes, but then, not a lot needed to be changed. it'll be around (in some form) in 2111!
But they all are zippos!
the 1911 will still be around in another 100 years time ;)
the 1911 will be around as long as humans exist
The 1911 saw more change than the Luger which was basically the same as the first prototype compared to the last model, only difference between the third model of it was the spring was changed for coil spring and some tiny minor changes to perfect it, the Luger is in essence a perfected design of the gun it was based on.
And that form is ego... ;)
I'm a 1911 guy but I've always liked the design of the luger.
@@floridaboi904 - why not?
Today's pistols are based on 1911
I got to hold one in a museum a few years back it felt so damned comfortable in the hand
Cønnør J a kinda
If you've ever held a Luger it just fits the hand perfectly and it is easy to aim due to the weight distribution.
The M1911 to me is like the first modern handgun. It feels right. It was used by the US Military for 70 years until the Beretta M9.
The Luger is beautiful as well. It's a true piece of art. The Germans were very technologically advanced.
More like 2911 :3
I heard the Luger had it's detractors. Accuracy? Underpowered cartridges? Something.
As evidenced by the proliferation of well made 1911 knockoffs.
Beretta M9 is inspired by P38
The 1911 is still used by the US military
I love that this is just an old man having fun explaining the stories behind these guns, and shooting them
Is it me or the 1911 just looks so modern compared to the Luger ? Like the design seems timeless
It is true. The M1911 was very influential, and most gun designs are based off of it. The Luger was made 3 years before it, hence the outdated mechanism.
The 1911 LOOKS timeless because it IS timeless!
Thats because everyone gun was inspired by or copied the M1911.
the only gun to be inspired by and copy the p08 Lugar is the Japanese Nambu.....the most unsafe gun in history.
I think that because the 1911 is such a near perfect design that it is still copied by almost every gun manufacturer, it is still very modern and competitive, I’d venture to say it’s the most popular configuration of handgun except the glock family.
+wales2k
The Luger dates back to 1900 though, while it's predecessor C93 dates to 1893. It was adopted in 1904 by the German Navy and in 1908 by the Army.
the ability to compare warfare technology without any discrimination against which side used it gives me faith in humanity somehow.
Ry I'm really happy about that as well.
Well a lot of people are beginning to hate the AK47 as it is the choice of modern terrorists.
AverageGuard Lucas and
@@stockloc That's because the Soviet Union armed a lot of those people in the late 70s and early 80s.
@@dergipsyking6265 guns r cool
The two guns were designed by very different companies who had different design goals. Like Hickock says, the Luger was designed for officers, the 1911 for battlefield soldiers. Both are enduring icons of an earlier era.
I can attest to the efficacy of the 1911. Don't have experience with the Luger
He couldn't be biased could he?
The Luger an officers pistol? For what I read in several sources German WW1 Wehrmacht doctrine was that pistols were for non-infantry personnel, like artillery, panzer, machine gunners, drivers, and that with allied forces (British, French ) it was for officers.
That explains why there were produced only 125k British Webley revolvers and over 3 mln Lugers (in 50 year) , Walther P38 produced 1mln in just 6 years. vs 4mln 1911s in a century.
@@lws7394 IIRC, at least by the WW2 era, the Luger P08 was more of an officer's handgun, while if an average serviceman in the Wehrmacht owned a sidearm, it was usually the more contemporary Walther P38. So when talking about WW2 I think it's fairly accurate to say that the Luger was a fancy officer's sidearm.
Honestly comparing the Walther P38 to the M1911 might be a more accurate comparison when talking less about historical significance and impact and more about the niches the weapons filled in their respective armies.
Enjoy watching your videos, very informative. My father was also in WW11. He was a pilot in the 509th. They were the very top secret group that dropped the atomic bombs on the Japanese Empire. He flew on both missions. He came home with trunks of equipment from the war, radio equipment , flight suits, parachute and everything that he had to have when they flew including his 1911. The crew members would fly with their 1911's. That was the first pistol I ever shot. When we went rabbit or deer hunting we would all take a turn on it. My oldest brother ended up with that firearm. Both the 1911 and the P08 Luger are truly incredible works of art.
Bruh I can't believe your father already fought in the future 💀
I was there with your dad, semper Fi
I do carry my WWII PO8 which my father brought back from the war. It isn’t an everyday carry, but fairly often. My 1911 is also a favorite carry; however, not every day. Be it nostalgia and fond memories of my father, or just owning a unique piece of history few others have, and especially carry, I love my PO8. I’ve never had the problems with mine as you have with the one you demonstrated on your video. In old vintage firearms, many are not kept in good condition and/or maintained properly, so over many years of being kept in that condition (especially since the PO8 was made to such tight tolerances) I would expect the problems with it you encountered. Needless to say, I love mine, it has never failed me and I do rely on it from time to time. I love all your shows and appreciate the quality of your presentations.
Best of Luck,
Jim Marye
Colonel, U. S. Army (Retired)
It makes me happy hearing you're able to have those memories and something tangible to link them to! Cheers! Thanks to you and your father for your service!
Colonel James Marye thank you for your service. God bless.
I have an artillery Luger. It has a (I'm guessing) 9" barrel. It shoots very, very accurately. It's a much faster round than the 1911 but the energy of both rounds is very similar. I suspect that the 1911 would be better at close range and the Luger better at greater distances. The recoil on the Luger is much less than the 1911. The Luger looks to be a more precision weapon but the 1911 still looks extremely functional. The Luger is _very_ fussy about the ammunition. (But) using a powerful round, from a quality manufacturer, it never misfires. The 1911 seeems to be a lot less particular about the ammo. For home defense, either would be devastatingly effective. Another gun to consider is the Walther P38. This is even more particular about the round (needs a really powerful bullet) but is beautifully made and very easy to service and maintain. (With the "gray ghost" finish, the P38 never tarnishes or rusts. I have one - it's 77 years old and the finish is perfect).
The p08 artillery has almost the double barrel length , so it surely is more accurate (even comes with long-range sights) but therefore heavier and less manoeuvrable
Ian Rivlin:
I liked your post and agree on your observation regarding calibers.
I fired an artillery P-08 too (25 years ago at least) really nice gun, more accurate than the regular P-08 of course with the longer barrel.
What I would really like to see is a video comparison of the P-38 and the 1911 since they are both still in production (or the P-38 was until a few years back).
Actually, the P-38 is even better to shoot than the P-08 and feels a lot more modern to handle except for the magasin release at the heel of the handle.
My Dad has a very nice example with the engraving 'TO THE FREE DANISH' (resistance) originally take of a German officer by the resistance and then engraved of course. It's obvious to feel the quality of the workmanship of the pistol when you handle it, field strip it and shoot it. Unfortunately, I have never had the chance to even hold or shoot a 1911 but I'm sure it must be really nice, sturdy and a pleasure to shoot.
And just as a fun footnote: Back in 1989 when I left the Royal Danish Airforce, I handed in my M1 Garrand! they were still issued as personal weapons into the '90s for non-frontline troops in our Airforce, the Army had second-hand battered ex-German Army G-3's with wooden stocks. Thankfully the cold war stayed cold!
@@jenslarsen4519 I also handed In my Garand when the Australians had a guns buy back (1997). Sometime later, guns that were handled in, were finding themselves in the hands of armed criminals. Some corrupt police officers were selling the guns to "baddies" instead of crushing them. Whenever the government says it's doing something for your own good - DON'T BELIEVE THEM...
You need to grip the gun a little better. It keeps the energy in the slide, and ensures it cycles correctly.
@Thomas McMichael p38? Nice. I'd love to shoot that.
1911 guy: 1911's better
Po8 guy: po8's better
Me: laughs in c96
You guys are no match for my single action revolver
@Bolt 27 ah, I see you are a man of culture as well
@@doraorak can you shoot fully automatic with that big iron on your hip
@@socali1748 naah..i am not that skilled yet
Bolt 27 Me: laughs in p38
i just love the calmness in these videos, the birds, the nature is just different than any other gun channel
The Luger's grip angle seems extreme, and, as my father at one time had about 25-30 Lugers, I did conduct a 'pick it up with eyes close, extend arm with one in firing grip, then open eyes.... The damn sights were PRECISELY aligned with my eye. I'm convinced, it's damn well a natural pointer!
I had the opportunity to fire a lunger awhile back and I love how natural it feels in the hand it just fits
YES!!!!!
The 1911 is cheaper, which is why it’s more prolific. Also, The PO8 is a little more difficult to manipulate, due to the fact that the German military tried to ensure that their soldiers were competent when dealing with firearms, so they didn’t necessarily idiot-proof them. But! They perform pretty darn well in rough and cold conditions, sometimes better than modern guns
Also, I recommend a new spring for the magazine in the PO8, and hotter ammunition: Winchester white box is too lightly loaded.
"A century of use and ready for a hundred years more"
- Ahoy
The B-52 of firearms.
@@alexm566 Or the F-4 Phantom, what a legendary plane
@@tomashoekstra8011 F-4 Phantom isn't really great at all, and way outdated today. Actually became outdated around the 80s. Also looks kinda ugly imo. Just a brick with engines.
@@jojomaster7675 I never said good just legendary, it's also a looker ain't no disproving that
in all honesty I would want both , both are a big part of history 👍.
”Am I the luckiest man on earth?”
Anti-gun person: *inhales*
I'm not an native english speaker. I'm not a german native speaker neither. I speak three languages. What did he mean with: ok, I went backwards 15:14?
gibroyomero he means he did the opposite of what he wanted to do
LMAO
Remember that God is an anti gun person
I‘m an anti gun person but I can appreciate a nice gun!
The P-08 is my favorite pistol of all time. Absolutely gorgeous.
RIght?? Its just the system is so fascinating.
It was very outdated compared to the 1911 in world war 2. That’s why it was used rarely compared to the p38, of you want a classy gun, the p38 surely is.
His comparison between the two is just a bit unfair... by his own admission, he's much more familiar with the 1911 than the Luger. If he spent more time with the Luger he'd be much more proficient with it...
@@farfoe5106 I mean overall the 1911 is basically the basis of almost every modern sidearm. Plus the P-08 was outdated by the time of world war 2, whereas the build quality of the 1911 wasn’t really affected much, as it even still holds up to modern specs, other then the single stack magazine of course.
The po8 is a very beautiful gun and a great piece of history but I have shot a lot of them and I would not want to carry one into combat, not reliable at all, to right of a weapon
My uncle had a huge collection of lugers and one of them in 7.65mm. I was 8 when he taught me to shoot these guns on a range he had set up in his basement. Great memories, favorite uncle. R.I.P. uncle I miss you..
Did you get to keep the Lugers?
@@lamtran1934 I wish, but no it went to his immediate family, but I'll have the memories forever 🙏
The Luger was the German equivalent of the Japanese Army Officer's sword.
The 1911 has one of the best and most timeless designs ever. It is still beautiful. Handles well, too.
***** Yeah, the older ones tend to be a bit worn out, and yes, some things could be solved better, but like a car or anything else I always put things in context with age.....
1911: Most efficient .
Luger: Most beautiful.
I would take a 1911 to war but leave the Luger at home.
Btw, i wish he was my grandfather.
Georgie Pineda i think there both beautifull .
1911 efficient hahaha!!
Luger is hideous. Looks like a tumor.
Walter p38 is efficient and beautiful
luger is an ugly gun and a piece of junk
Your comparison of the Schofield vs the Colt SAA to the 1911 vs Luger P-08 was absolutely spot on. Both gun guns, but the 1911 and SAA clones over the years that continue to be manufactured today does say a lot. That said, I’d love to get a remanifucatured P-08 as a hobbyist. That and the Mauser.
I’ll go with the P-08, German Engineering fascinates me.
The main "issue" with the P08 is, that she's a little bit more complicated which makes it more expensive to produce + that she doesn't shoot 9mm Bullets to my knowledge.
Otherwise, the P08 will be perform mostly as good as the 1911 if you replace the Magazin Spring with a slighty stronger one.
Gabriel Ramos
Same.
Gabriel Ramos Nice pfp lol
@Primal Leviathan I think he know what a Maschinengewehr 42 is.
@@DaroriDerEinzige Are you saying the Luger doesn't shoot 9mm bullets? Because 9×19mm cartridges were quite literally designed by Georg Luger for that exact gun, hence why the ammo is called "9mm Luger"
As far as I know the 3 main reasons of a luger jamming are as follows:
1 Underpowered ammo. Most 9mm ammo in the US today is underpowered. Luger's spec for his 9MM ammo is a 124Gr FMJ moving at 400+ meters per second out of the standard luger barrel. (That is over 1300 FPS). (Do your own research but all I read so far as that these guns do not like weak loads).
2 Bad magazines. (Even 1911-s had this problem and weren't that popular with the modding crown till Wilson Combat really upped the level with their mags)
3 Worn out springs. If your Luger jams often, it is recommended to change out the springs for a fresh one. I believe that Wolf makes them and it will restore the guns reliability in a big way if the previous 2 items are addressed.
Life Style your the only one who nows luger .
Jake Hansen. Actually the Luger is a lot more reliable than you give it credit for. I actually used mine as a secondary in 2 and 3 gun matches (Just because, why not haha) and never had a jam. There is a video out on the channel In Range TV you should check out where they put a luger in a mud test. I was actually surprised by those results, but it reinforced my belief regarding the quality of this gun. However, I will not do that kind of abuse to mine if I can help it.
Lino Klein Meuleman. Thanks for the compliment. However, I am far from an expert. I own one and can only share my experience and what I know from research and what I seen with others.
ian mc collum and carl cassarda from in range tv have a report on the luger !
jake hansen The Luger actually holds up pretty well to dirt and mud. The problems with Lugers are, as previously mentioned, low pressure ammo, bad magazine design, and worn springs.
Lugers are notoriously `fussy eaters` but function perfectly with the correct diet.
Great analogy.
That correct diet reportedly would be anything with a NATO symbol on it. Lugers were made to fire German submachinegun ammo. It was much hotter than average US commercial 9mm ball. Lugers like it hot. (Also amazing what a new set of springs will do for a pistol.)
@@stephendovi8894 Lugers like it hot, Love it, ...sounds like a war/porn movie! Yep, i used surplus MOD ammo bought on the cheap by my local range before they were banned here in the UK in `97.
I have read that most .22 RF autoloading pistols prefer one brand of ammo over the others. That must be a common fault with autoloaders. My solution, get a 1911 or get a revolver.
@@bobsradio6025 first of all the 1911 is an auto loader, secondly that sound like a rim fire problem not an automatic problem. I’ve shot plenty of 22 pistols and quite frankly unless you’re using an old gun that needs standards you can pretty much give it whatever, now wether it’s accurate is a separate matter, now i have seen one finicky 22 but if you gave it mini mags it ran fine but in my experience that’s been the exception rather than the rule.
21:22 well that's just wholesome, I don't even use a firearm and it just warms my heart, thanks hickok45
The Luger is cool and iconic but the 1911 is so simple that it’s one of the if not the best pistol in history
Tokarev TT-33
The 1911 is a beaut
Best WW2 handguns:
1. 1911
2. Luger
3. Tokarev
4. Browning hi power
5. Anything made in either Germany or US
Last: Nambu doesn’t get a number because it’s just plain awful.
@@moistexistence3090 P38
Nekro Daknei oh yeah P38 would probably be better or the same as a Luger.
we all love the look and mechanism of the Luger but if you needed one to save your life give me the 1911 every time.
Exactly...anybody saying they'd take the Luger needs to shoot one...you lose sight of your target every time you pull the trigger....not much good in a life and death situation. The mechanism may look cool, but the 1911 is going to be more useful when it comes to self defense.
Adeum Deus
The toggle is in your line of sight for perhaps a whole tenth of a second. The Luger has issues, but that's not one of them. It's susceptibility to dirt, the awkwardness of the safety, the sensitivity to different types of ammo, and the difficulty loading the magazines are much more real complaints to make against it.
Adeum Deus Remember the Luger was for officers who do not shoot much. Or they were used to execute people on their knees. 8 rounds are not much in a gun fight. Comfort over the 45 is one great thing you have to have held both on target. the sight loss on the target is after the load is on its way. And the loss lasts much less than a second.
My father was stationed in Germany back in the 1960's, for the US Military. He brought back a P08. From the research I've done, it's mostly a genuine model. There is only 1 part, maybe 2 that are from another P08 model. Still, it worked great. He had no issues with it for years, though he only shot it a few times from the time he got back in the late 60's through the 80's. He never shot it after that. So when he died it came to me. I had a friend of mine help me with cleaning it up, and making sure everything was ok with it. I took it shooting, and I didn't have the problems I'm seeing here, except for one problem. Anyway, I spent a day at the range with it, and it only malfunctioned once...which I would say was pretty good due to the fact that it wasn't shot for 30 years. It was pretty accurate after I figured out the sights. My only issue was the damn magazines. They were super hard to load. I could only get 5 rounds in before my hand was too tired to continue. So my friend and I did our best to clean them up, and we oiled up the springs as well. After that they were much easier to load...still stiff, but the more I work with them the better they are getting. Though I won't complain about stiff magazines due to the fact that they are 80 years old and still functioning. It's a wonderful and amazingly engineered firearm, and I love it to death.
I just inherited two 1911s that were owned by my GPA who passed away in 1981. One is in .45 the other .38 Super.
The Luger is stylish and the 1911 is more simplistic
@@floridaboi904 It's just a matter of personal opinion, as always
Colt 45 is American in appearance e all he way
The other way around
Benny Blanco obvious troll is obvious.
Absolutely the other way around. The Luger looks as industrious as the people that designed it.
"The luger probably would not stand up as well in a muddy trench" inrangetv: challenge accepted
Actually, it didn't. Just dirt caused it to jam. The remedy was not redesigning the gun, but redesigning the holster, totally enclosing the pistol.
@@robertkf1 I referring to the inrangetv mud test they did on a ww1 luger in which it preformed immaculately, in comparison to other pistols.
@@tuckerrichardson2606 Oh. I was referring to the Wehrmacht. I have to see the inrange tv vid now. 👍
@@robertkf1 it's a goody, surprised me for sure
@@tuckerrichardson2606 I love when InrangeTV busts stupid fudd myths.
My granddad served under General Paton. He had some Po8's with the SS engraving and one with the scull and bones
Talon Vaughn my grate uncle was in the 101 air born . 20 years ago he showed me a nickel plated PO8 ( Lugar ) with the exact same type of markings and engravings that you were describing . He told me that was an officers pistol . That he took off a German officer . He said all the guys wanted one for a souvenir . Your comment just reminded me of it
When I bought mine, I could have gotten an ss stamped one, but, considering what the ss used them for, I didn't want to take the chance. There has got to be some bad juju in an ss gun.
Fuk the skull and bones 😳 xD
Mein Urgroßvater klaus war in der Wehrmacht, lmao nur ein Scherz, bet you fell for it.
@@kimthurston9192 yes
Great to see how this channel has changed, but stayed the same, over the last 10 years!!! The best firearm review channel to ever grace the internet, in my humble opinion!!!
If I had the choice I would definitely pick the 1911. Hard hitting, reliable and ageless looks. The luger is a cool looking weapon put I rather have it as mere collection item.
Great day for me, this morning I watched you show an M14 and now a 1911-----the first half of my tour with 2/9 3rd mar div1968 I carried the 1911, no rifle as I was a navy corpsman, probably 25years ago I got one, quite used but wonderful to me. Then in the 2ed half of my tour 1969 I was with third shore party, I acquired am M14 and loved it too much, now 5o years to the year I bought a new one.
In my working years I couldn't begin to afford one, I am so happy to have it if only I could hold it up? To me no finer for the job at hand. Bless you all. Den
The 1911 is widely accepted as the best military pistol ever.
But that doesn't mean the p08 Luger isn't good.
In fact the the p08 is extremely cool,
I don't even know if there's a more Psycho-sexual pistol then the Luger.
From everything I've read, the German officers who actually fired their pistols preferred the Walther P38 by a wide margin.
you mean Glocks are widely accepted as the best military pistols?
Michael McBroom
As much as I know, the Borchard pistol was the first automatic pistol. If you look at it it was very clumsy and not well suited for the anatomy of the hand. It had the same mecanism as the 08 pistol. The first pistol with a more modern system was the Mauser C96. All those pistols were made of milled parts which made production expensive. In Germany nobody counted on a long lasting war, so it did not seem necessary to produce a new pistol, there seemed to be more urgent developments. When it became evident more pistols were needed it was clear that a cheeper model had to be produced. That was the birthday of the P38. So if you want to compare sidearms you probably should take the P38 and the 1911. I myself like to shoot my 08 but in a situation of defense i`d prefer the P38.
corvus corax yes correct....
the p38 was a foreward thinking weapon...
infact the Beretta 92 is basicly a son of the p38...
also the walther pp series was also excellent.
all these pistols are amazing when you compare them to modern firearms....
Even the Walther PPK to today's standards only looses out on mag size, but nothing else.
Chase Howard You messed it up at the end
The Ka-Bar on the table is just as iconic.
I love how this is in my recommendations as soon as I say I want a gun.
"I'm not gonna do a 30-40 minute video" does a 25 Minute video
It's 24 minutes
Lol he wasn't lying. Just took the classy route.
Thank you, that was an amazing story of two iconic sidearms!
I used to go shooting with my Dad, amongst his collection he owned a Luger P08 which was from memory made under licence. He also owned a Tom Neild custom 1911. Tom was the British team Olympic armourer in the 1972 Olympics in Munich, which had that terrorist attack.
We used to reload both 9mm and. 45 rounds. We used to go shooting at the indoor range called Pennine Shooting Centre in Rochdale, UK.
When my Dad retired, he handed over all his firearms to me but after I started a family, I felt uneasy having firearms in the house. Shortly afterwards successfully selling the whole collection, there was the Dunblane shooting in Scotland and the UK drastically changed the firearm laws. I would have had to surrender everything and would have been given virtually nothing.
I support the American Constitution and the Right to bear arms.
Thank you for this video, it has brought back very happy memories of my Dad and me.
It's been many years since I fired a P08, but I still say it's the best "feel" of any pistol I've ever held. It feels like it's making love to your hand. OTOH, the 1911 is the rational choice to stake your life on.
Makarov....... Nuff said
TheRambo Maybe you didn't notice the title of the thread?
Agreed, best feel!!!!!
When my first wife took off she took my 1911 along, leaving me with a Luger. The final settlement brought my 45 back home where it still is 35 years later.
your wife had good taste!
Was she in the military?
@@questreality8262 i think she wanted to took HALF))
It's good that you got it back.
Congratulations! You kept the pistol and the ex-wife went up for 'auction'! *YOU, my friend, got the better deal!* lol!
2 of my favorite pistols, I own both of an a fan of the artillery luger, something about they way a luger naturally points I have always liked.
The 1911 just seems like a more user-friendly design. Thank you sir for what you do.
I like the German ww2 guns designs :)
The Luger is introduced 1911. First world war. In the second world war the standard pistol had been the P 34. The Luger was only in use when there where not enough P34 Mausers.
sorry Walther (not Mauser) P 38. Introduced in 1938 as standard pistol for the Wehrmacht.
@glock 44 my favorite weapon in fact is my reproduction of a German long sword from the 1470ies. My favorite short firearm is the Colt 45 Peacemaker. My favorite rifle is the Sharps carbine. I am old fashionate.
The main difference: one gun won both world wars, one gun lost both world wars.
My grandfather was in the German army then (he was drafted, he didn't go in willingly) and was able to bring back all of his gear (uniform, helmet, and weapons) he brought back his k98 and his p08. I currently have both of the guns in my home and that p08 is one of the most beautiful pieces of weaponry I own
Many years ago I bought a 1932, 1911 very worn but shot well once you got the way of it,
Sold it as you do when young,
Was living in Germany later and was allowed to shoot a Submarine Po8 with 8inch barrell,
2 inch group with 5 rounds at 25 metres using Norma Luger 9mm,
I believe this was also an artillery pistol as well,
Need a P38.
If he had volunteered, he would be a true hero. But your clarification already shows how defeated we have all been by the current regime.
Too bad he was on the loosing team!!
@@nathanduckeorth806
But he could spell losing correctly though.
@@delalicanto7432
You're saying because he wasn't gung-ho about being in the army the current government and prior to it made him feel guilty so he daren't admit he volunteered.
Or he genuinely believed that what Hitler was attempting was wrong, see its arrogant Germans that gave the nation a bad name.
been watching hickock45 since i was like 14-15 years old. im 23 now and have learned so much and own a fine collection myself now. thanks for getting me so interested in the hobby hickck
The original tool that came with the Luger makes loading the magazine easier: it fits over the button so you can hold it down.
Fact. I had one when I owned a P.08
I love how he also has a kbar on the table this is like everything WWII
I really like your comparisons. You compare the guns objectively and not patriotic. Im not saying you are not patriotic but you mention the facts about both weapon and make your choice reasonable. Keep doing your videos :)
Greeting from Germany
person: breaks into this mans house
hickok45: and now we can compare the effects of these guns on a live target
Bang bang bang! "He he he"
He is one man I would not want to get in a gunfight with. Way to damn many years of muscle memory tied into his movements.
14:00 The M1911 had 6,000 rounds fired from it, with no malfunctions which warranted its adoption into the U.S. military.
Well they made 2 pieces of .45 Parabellums, but they refused to rework it after first rounds of testing.
The HK Mk23 did 30,000 and still worked perfectly.
@@hereb4theend Development started on that gun 80 years later.
@M Good point.
@@hereb4theend that's a German gun.
P08; one word of warning:
Be damn sure chamber is clear before stripping. When the barrel-toggle group is separate from the grip, if you accidentally trip the sear, it will fire. This is why you need to know the manual of arms of the arm you are using. I saw this demoed with a primed case in the chamber.
This is no different than knowing to keep an empty chamber under the hammer on an original Model P Colt revolver.
Thanks for reminding me
Can I ask who doesn’t check the chamber of a pistol before stripping?
@@stretchlimo7275 :
In a population of 50 .million gun owners, there is always one or two that needs reminding.
@andybreglia9431 Closer to 100 Million Gun Owners. You low-balled.
Lugers are great, but nothing beats a good ol' 1911.
honestly one of the greatest conflicts in history, and the greatest pistol matchup
So many experts in the comments
Seems likely bro
Did you just reply to yourself?
Gotobar 1313 looks like it lmao
Lol looks legit...
@Gotobar 1313 "Did you just reply to yourself?" -- He responded to someone else who later deleted his comment. Happens all the time. That's why it helps to quote the relevant portion to avoid ambiguity.
I wonder if he'll ever dual wield something.
He's done it several times in various videos. :-)
Ha, guess I'll have to find the videos where you do. Thanks for the reply! If I may ask, what videos?
***** He's Dual wielded (?) the Deagle (in my dreams)... But seriously, I think hickok has done the SCAR L I think, and maybe the Vector.
Grey Stash he also duel wielded 2 Colt 1911 pistols In one of his colt vids
***** I have not seen that one, though I'll take your word for it :P
The lugar is my favorite pistol of all time :)
I just like all the German weapons from ww1 and ww2
Nash Harcourt Harcourt I find the technologies of the Germans in that time to be really, really interesting.
I love German tech it's ashame that thay used it for bad things :/
Nash Harcourt Harcourt Yeah, really.
:|
*****
Would you like to tell the class?
First expert pistol medal In Navy was on 1911. Loved it. Always reliable. Did joke about the loose tolerance, but it did the job. Marine gunny training us made us tear down “blindfolded”. Another nice feature is easy to clean. Wish I had the money when the Seabees had a 50th Anniversary limited release. Still looking for one today. Good memories
I held a Luger in my hand for a minute back in the early 80's it feels nice and comfy.
Love your video's! Please do more classic firearms! Greets from the Netherlands in Europe
Oh i thaulght that you mean the netherlands in africa
Last year I carried my P08 as a DC.
But then, felt weird about DC'n a $1K 9mm on my side. lols.
Love it. Smoothest pistol I've ever shot.
Luger v 1911 , the luger had a special tool in the holster to load the magazine, thanks for the nice video’s
I really like your historical videos, I would love a chance to get my hands on some of these old guns. I really like 1911 i have the remington 1911 r1 and really enjoy shooting it
Love this guys little laugh after he shoots"he he he " 😂
The P08 should be reproduced. I bought one, it's tooo nice to carry, but is very accurate. I would buy a clone to carry!!!!! The feel of both are great. I love the P08. I have normal size hands. I have 3-1911's. All accurate as well. The P08 mags are stiff. I loaded them and kept them loaded now for about 7 months now. Hopefully next time, they will be easier to load. Both Iconic war weapons!!
Luger is an iconic gun I own more than one. The Luger shown on the table has the historically broken off notch on the left side grip panel (especially notable at 0:51), so this gun was taken apart at one point and not carefully put back together. But, as one poster noted, the best of each has been kept from time immemorial: The drop in barrel with slide action, and the 9mm Luger Parabellum round.
I like the Video, and I usually just adore Hickok45 for the commentary, but on the Luger, there are some issues. Several folks noted reliability issues, and yes, in a dirty environment, there can be owing to tolerances. One poster correctly noted the ammunition issue. I have a 1939 Luger, and it functions fine with Winchester white box.
The issue with loading the magazine is due to the fact that you do not have the little loading tool that came with the gun when it was issued. You can get one relatively cheaply, or if you have any machining access, making a functional one is a very simple matter.
Many people also do not like the grip angle of the Luger, because it was designed as a "natural pointer". I find that the only issue I have is that prolonged firing tends to give me a bit of a blister on the knuckle of my thumb right where it is below the safety. More owing to how my hand wraps around the grip. Other's YMMV. Ruger did copy the grip angle from the Luger, so if you like shooting a Ruger Mark IV in most of the models, you'll be fine with the Luger.
The feeding issue that Hickok45 had can be a magazine issue and I noticed that the pistol was a bit dirty in the start. Cleanliness is a Luger's friend, and they were designed to take down and clean often, especially since primers were very caustic back then. With the mag, he's using an 80 year old magazine. I have the matching ones for my Luger and they work, but when I take it to the range, I use the MecGar magazines. MecGar still, to this day, makes mags for the Luger pistol and I've found that they work fairly well. Feed lips and springs in the old ones just tire out, esp if they were used actively. Remember...80 year old technology made the gun and mags. The oldest Lugers are over 120 years old.
The Luger, as used for a carry firearm, just requires you to practice the 5 count draw. At count 4, where both hands come together and right before you push out, you deactivate the safety with your support side hand as it comes to wrap around the pistol. If you are a lefty, the draw is similar, but you deactivate the safety with your left thumb as the hands come together, primarily to maintain control. Lefties could deactivate it as it clears leather, but that leaves you open to a possible negligent discharge if you mishandle it by accident. The absolute ONLY reason I do not carry mine, is that if I were ever involved in a concealed carry incident here in California, when they take the pistol for evidence, I'll never see it again. The cops would find a way to keep it.
Also, the sights on the standard 4" war models are very hard to use. It takes some getting used to. A tiny, almost insignificant "V" notch rear sight and a tapered front sight means you need to create a "diamond", where the very tip of the front sight is level with the top of the rear sight and it's centered at the top of the "V". But I can put 9mm through the same hole at 20 yards with this gun. It's as accurate as any revolver.
My only regret is American Eagle stopped making them in the late 90s.
Those looks in absolutely gorgeous condition
I love how this man is happiest man ever every time he fires a gun, oh... It's really nice to see.
Its not a luger, but I ran into and talked with an older gentleman who was open carrying an old 32acp mauser at walmart the other day, with drzm marks and everything. He told me about an old Astra and some other rare guns he had and also about his time teaching service dogs for the washington, dc police force, many moons ago. Was really neat to connect with someone i never knew, over a simple pistol.
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Love the sound of the P08
i wanna fire a luger p08 and an mp40 one day :D
Hickoks “moderate amount” of firing is probably 500k rounds 😂
Both are certainly unique pieces of history.
The Luger is a beauty to shoot I've owned one for 7 years now and it's awesome
The experiential difference between a 1911 and the Luger, is that the .45 feels like you are aiming a pistol, but the luger feels like an extension of your body, like pointing a finger. I remember thinking "I dont have to aim this, it hits right where im looking" the first time I fired one. That being said, the Colt wins hands down for overall design and will likely be around until we move on to non-kinetic weapons.
You ve nailed it! Regards from germany. The 08 is a diva, the 1911 a workhorse.
Brownings masterpeace, due to his mindset found inside, is the FN high power. The modern high capacity, ich dual action handgun, made pre ww2....
When I shot the og Luger my grandpa bought for $20 back in the 70s, that’s exactly what I realized. I could keep both eyes open and whatever I was looking at I’d hit and with a good tight grouping. I have never been as accurate with any other pistol I’ve shot
I found it totally the opposite. The Colt felt natural but the Luger felt, in a word, uncomfortable.
Luger is an Iconic pistol 🔫
I carried my P08 just last week. Love that gun. I open carry it in the regular.
That’s cool I own two but I don’t carry them. Fun to shoot though.
@@craigthescott5074 I have two myself as well. One numbers matching 1918 and one non matching that I carry. Replaced all the springs in the one I carry and it’s super reliable.
@@BamaPewPew yep I have two S42’s both matching numbers. One I shoot the other is too nice I got it with its original holster and matching mags which is really rare. I believe it was a WW2 bring back. I haven’t shot it yet but I will.
My Dad was a WW2 Marine Raider. So when I was a young man I got to shoot his 1911's! Which I thought were great pistols. My Uncle left me his Luger which became my first Luger. I enjoyed firing it as well & over the years I have owned some nice Lugers. I no longer fire the Lugers but I still get the 1911 out quite a bit. I guess if I was in a war I would hands down take the 1911 over the Luger. That being said I have always enjoyed shooting the Lugers as well! Thanks for posting such a cool video!
The 1911 is a great pistol
Try out the Mauser C96 pistol.
As much as I love German engineering, I'd settle for the 1911.
A true , reliable workhorse. That's what you need when the heat is on.
Many thanks Hickock 45 for the uploads. I'm a huge fan , even though I'll never get the chance to fire any of these guns in the UK.
Hang on to your second amendment!
Having both of these pistols, I would stand to say the 1911 is more practical and reliable. My Luger is a 1917 DWM and it works great, i have carried on several occasions, but my standard carry is a 1911. Both are great in their own special way, but i wouldn't take the Luger over the 1911 in any scenario.