Luger vs 1911
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- A little comparison between two iconic pistols of WWI and WWII, my WWII Colt 1911 A1 and a Luger P08.
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I once heard a story of a German high ranked officer (major or a colonel) who together with his troops rushed across a river so they could surrender to the allies instead of the russians... he asked to go back so he could gather some more of his men... the soldiers told him he could but only if he brought back some luger's since every allied soldier being British,American,Candadian etc. wanted one as a souvenir... they told him if he came back without a bag of lugers he'd be shot when crossing the river... tells alot about the legend of the luger.
+rsca is god im sure u werent there but would they really shoot their own guy for not bringing a bag of guns?
Not their own... the allies told him that as they all wanted a luger as souvenir
rsca is god who are the allies? the americans?
Oreodogify
most likely
Lol smart question. The Russians being bad guys as they were even from that time, could not have been "allies" no?
In reality the Russians were also "allies" but as my sarcasm above shows, today's western people deny them the credit of fighting on the same side. They even spread lies like it was the Americans/British who won the war whereas most effort was put in by the Russians. It's evident from the casualties alone: British/Americans count them in the hundreds of thousands, the Russians... in tens of millions. Yes that's true.
I love that he doesn’t just shoot the guns, he actually tells us the story about it and everything.
He's a mix of Ian from forgotten weapons and Demo ranch
ya i like that...
And that’s why I’m subscribed
Yess
It’s almost as if he was a teacher!
this dude is literally the bob ross of guns
You hit the nail on the head!
That is an amazing comparison
@@TheCskin26
Google global truth project and read "the Present" to see the truth about life/death. Nothing is more important than checking it is true, especially pgs 1-4
I put my vote in for Mr. Rodgers.
Because every gun is special just for existing.
The Bob Ross of comments ha
The two guns were designed by very different companies who had different design goals. Like Hickock says, the Luger was designed for officers, the 1911 for battlefield soldiers. Both are enduring icons of an earlier era.
I can attest to the efficacy of the 1911. Don't have experience with the Luger
He couldn't be biased could he?
The Luger an officers pistol? For what I read in several sources German WW1 Wehrmacht doctrine was that pistols were for non-infantry personnel, like artillery, panzer, machine gunners, drivers, and that with allied forces (British, French ) it was for officers.
That explains why there were produced only 125k British Webley revolvers and over 3 mln Lugers (in 50 year) , Walther P38 produced 1mln in just 6 years. vs 4mln 1911s in a century.
@@lws7394 IIRC, at least by the WW2 era, the Luger P08 was more of an officer's handgun, while if an average serviceman in the Wehrmacht owned a sidearm, it was usually the more contemporary Walther P38. So when talking about WW2 I think it's fairly accurate to say that the Luger was a fancy officer's sidearm.
Honestly comparing the Walther P38 to the M1911 might be a more accurate comparison when talking less about historical significance and impact and more about the niches the weapons filled in their respective armies.
I'm a canuck whose grandfather was a combatant in WWII. When I was a kid, my dad had among his gun collection a German Luger. The story dad told me is that at some point during the push of the Canadian Army Corps through Holland they had captured a German Unit. As the German prisoners were filing past a point where Grandpa was standing, he happened to notice a German officer who still had his holstered pistol, whereupon he demanded that the officer relinquish the gun to him. Grandpa secreted the pistol back to Canada (who could blame him for taking such a cool souvenir?), and some time after the war he gave the gun to my dad. In the 1960's when our bureaucrats started regulating handguns my dad duly registered it with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP), who were the mandated authority to handle these things. My dad even had an official letter of registry authorizing him to possess this gun, signed by an RCMP Seargent, which is the way these things were done back then. Fast forward to two years ago, and out of the blue my dad (now 86) receives a notification from the RCMP informing him that their records show he has an "unregistered" hand gun, and he was forced to turn it in. They refused to recognize the official document issued in the '60s, and would not allow him to register the pistol in accordance with modern regs. So sad that a treasured possession with a cool personal family connection was callously snatched away by overzealous bureaucratic edict.
That is truly unfortunate
Jack Rabbit I am so sorry for you. living in Canada with such a past must be hard. it's terrible what your bureaucrats are doing!
+Riles Mattix Thanks guys. The other day I went to the Grand Opening of a new Cabela's in town, and walking by the gun counter I noticed a beautiful Umarex SAA Colt 45 bb gun, which is a very well made reproduction of the real thing. Well, I just couldn't resist buying it, and will keep it hidden away as a reminder of what once was, as I am sure some day the authorities will be confiscating all handguns up here, probably even replicas! Around here you even have to hide from your neighbors to plink at cans in your own backyard, lest you get reported to the Police. Sigh...
That is sad. My dad offered to get the restricted firearms permit (for which he would be perfectly qualified), but no dice. They are totally unyielding.
Jack Rabbit ok
The 1911 is a timeless design. Even today the 1911 looks contemporary. Wow!!
Well it is mostly outclassed by quite a few modern handguns the fact that the 1911 has remained a popular pick for over a century and still has advantages over some much more modern sidearms is astounding.
One of my favorite guns in the m1911
Both 1911 and the P08 are still pretty viable even today, that says alot.
Only thing with the luger is that after 100 years, the mag springs tend to get iffy and cause a malfunction here and there.
Other than that, it's def not the best, over complicated and expensive to produce, specially against the 1911.
Both are just beautiful guns tho.
Luger is still and will always be the best so dont go thinkin that the 1911 is better
Wyatt Toves lol I see there’s someone on at the same time as me so hi :D also sry but I prefer 1911 because MURICA HOOYAH lmao
I bet you´ve already heard but just to make sure: As a german shooter i can tell you that you need a new springset for the Luger P08 or some harder loaded ammo. I got hands on one and was so dissapointed when i first shot it because every third shot jammed. The president of my club and gun specialist saw that and told me the the P 08 was supposed to be used up to about 50 Meters. He gave me a package of original war ammo and everything worked just fine! Greetings from Hamburg, Germany
I had no idea you could own pistols in Germany. I thought the EU was very anti-gun.
yup... they´re trying hard...@@literallyshaking8019
@@literallyshaking8019it's highly regulated, but after a year in a shoot club you can have a gun. But you need to choose one of the best you can buy then. Because you can only own 2 handguns.
@@2fast4u34521 Are there any complex storage regulations? Like having to store unloaded pistols in a separate safe from the ammunition?
@@williamzk9083 it's okay to own one safe with separated parts in it. One part for guns and another for ammo.
The Luger's grip angle seems extreme, and, as my father at one time had about 25-30 Lugers, I did conduct a 'pick it up with eyes close, extend arm with one in firing grip, then open eyes.... The damn sights were PRECISELY aligned with my eye. I'm convinced, it's damn well a natural pointer!
The P08 is balanced for a recoil impulse from a fairly stout load, the original load designed by Georg Luger is today what we call a +P load with a over 120 grain bullet. The P08 got a reputation for being ureliable by military personel who brought it back from Europe as a sovenir, but that was because of the weak 9 mm ammunition loaded by US ammo manufacturers they used, it did not generate enough recoil. Give it +P loads with at least 115 grain, preferably over 120 grain RN (of course) bullets, and it is very reliable.
Cheers.
👍👍👍
Exactly
Excellent point. The Luger gets a bad rep but I feel it's a masterpiece in design. I'd still go for a 1911 in battle as I just love .45 ACP as a combat round. Apples and oranges...
Absolutely right. The Germans knew that the 9 mm wasn't always enough so they increased its power.
If you hit your target it`s the Luger. If you kill your foe by throwing a lump of metal at him it`s a 1911
Is it me or the 1911 just looks so modern compared to the Luger ? Like the design seems timeless
It is true. The M1911 was very influential, and most gun designs are based off of it. The Luger was made 3 years before it, hence the outdated mechanism.
The 1911 LOOKS timeless because it IS timeless!
Thats because everyone gun was inspired by or copied the M1911.
the only gun to be inspired by and copy the p08 Lugar is the Japanese Nambu.....the most unsafe gun in history.
I think that because the 1911 is such a near perfect design that it is still copied by almost every gun manufacturer, it is still very modern and competitive, I’d venture to say it’s the most popular configuration of handgun except the glock family.
+wales2k
The Luger dates back to 1900 though, while it's predecessor C93 dates to 1893. It was adopted in 1904 by the German Navy and in 1908 by the Army.
Enjoy watching your videos, very informative. My father was also in WW11. He was a pilot in the 509th. They were the very top secret group that dropped the atomic bombs on the Japanese Empire. He flew on both missions. He came home with trunks of equipment from the war, radio equipment , flight suits, parachute and everything that he had to have when they flew including his 1911. The crew members would fly with their 1911's. That was the first pistol I ever shot. When we went rabbit or deer hunting we would all take a turn on it. My oldest brother ended up with that firearm. Both the 1911 and the P08 Luger are truly incredible works of art.
Bruh I can't believe your father already fought in the future 💀
I was there with your dad, semper Fi
Few things as pure as hickok's little giggle of joy when he shoots with his toys
Over 100 years later.......
john Moses Browning's slider drop barrel pistol is the most popular pistol design.
Luger's 9mm cartridge is the most popular cartridge design.
Two great tastes that taste great together. 😄
@@robertscott2210 indeed
@@robertscott2210 I prefer gods round
Handloaders know that the .45 ACP has lots of knock down power, but also can be loaded for target shooting.
That little .36 caliber popgun is not that versatile.
@@bobsradio6025 45 ACP is more powerful than 9mm, but slower and a lot less accurate. And unless you're shooting a rampaging drug addict, there isn't much difference in strength. 9mm Parabellum is literally the most veratile cartridge in the world. You can also get much larger magazines with it. I'd much rather take 17 rounds of 9mm than 7 rounds of 45.
I'm a 1911 guy but I've always liked the design of the luger.
@@floridaboi904 - why not?
Today's pistols are based on 1911
I got to hold one in a museum a few years back it felt so damned comfortable in the hand
Cønnør J a kinda
If you've ever held a Luger it just fits the hand perfectly and it is easy to aim due to the weight distribution.
I love that this is just an old man having fun explaining the stories behind these guns, and shooting them
My uncle had a huge collection of lugers and one of them in 7.65mm. I was 8 when he taught me to shoot these guns on a range he had set up in his basement. Great memories, favorite uncle. R.I.P. uncle I miss you..
Did you get to keep the Lugers?
@@lamtran1934 I wish, but no it went to his immediate family, but I'll have the memories forever 🙏
Im from Austria, and we found a luger in a Cereal storage under the roof at Renovation work.
The gun was in very good condition and still works !! No rust nothing the owner of this gun has to know how to store this baby.
For sale? I pay good
Los geht's Österreich Deutschland Schweiz Liechtenstein ☝️🥇
What else did you find ?
The luger was a widely saught after souvineer of ww2a anyways at least thats something .
”Am I the luckiest man on earth?”
Anti-gun person: *inhales*
I'm not an native english speaker. I'm not a german native speaker neither. I speak three languages. What did he mean with: ok, I went backwards 15:14?
gibroyomero he means he did the opposite of what he wanted to do
LMAO
Remember that God is an anti gun person
I‘m an anti gun person but I can appreciate a nice gun!
"A century of use and ready for a hundred years more"
- Ahoy
The B-52 of firearms.
@@alexm566 Or the F-4 Phantom, what a legendary plane
@@tomashoekstra8011 F-4 Phantom isn't really great at all, and way outdated today. Actually became outdated around the 80s. Also looks kinda ugly imo. Just a brick with engines.
@@jojomaster7675 I never said good just legendary, it's also a looker ain't no disproving that
The main difference: one gun won both world wars, one gun lost both world wars.
That luger jam was caused by weak magazine spring.
I've heard the weapon works best with hotter rounds. Maybe that caused the hang up
@@PrinceAlhorian Guess I need to bring a blow torch when I come across a Luger than
@@randomuser684 I'm pretty sure he meant rounds using more gunpowder than regular, modern 9mm cartridges
@@PhilipTrouble I wanted to buy one myself and was advised on using rounds with the max energy delivery a 9mm can handle. Also the Luger does not fire well with light tipped rounds like hollow points. The harder the gas has to push the projectile out, the harder it will work the toggle arm.
If the magazine isn’t working than the whole gun won’t.
The M1911 to me is like the first modern handgun. It feels right. It was used by the US Military for 70 years until the Beretta M9.
The Luger is beautiful as well. It's a true piece of art. The Germans were very technologically advanced.
More like 2911 :3
I heard the Luger had it's detractors. Accuracy? Underpowered cartridges? Something.
As evidenced by the proliferation of well made 1911 knockoffs.
Beretta M9 is inspired by P38
The 1911 is still used by the US military
i just love the calmness in these videos, the birds, the nature is just different than any other gun channel
Your comparison of the Schofield vs the Colt SAA to the 1911 vs Luger P-08 was absolutely spot on. Both gun guns, but the 1911 and SAA clones over the years that continue to be manufactured today does say a lot. That said, I’d love to get a remanifucatured P-08 as a hobbyist. That and the Mauser.
1911: Most efficient .
Luger: Most beautiful.
I would take a 1911 to war but leave the Luger at home.
Btw, i wish he was my grandfather.
Georgie Pineda i think there both beautifull .
1911 efficient hahaha!!
Luger is hideous. Looks like a tumor.
Walter p38 is efficient and beautiful
luger is an ugly gun and a piece of junk
1911 guy: 1911's better
Po8 guy: po8's better
Me: laughs in c96
You guys are no match for my single action revolver
@Bolt 27 ah, I see you are a man of culture as well
@@doraorak can you shoot fully automatic with that big iron on your hip
@@socali1748 naah..i am not that skilled yet
Bolt 27 Me: laughs in p38
person: breaks into this mans house
hickok45: and now we can compare the effects of these guns on a live target
Bang bang bang! "He he he"
He is one man I would not want to get in a gunfight with. Way to damn many years of muscle memory tied into his movements.
I just inherited two 1911s that were owned by my GPA who passed away in 1981. One is in .45 the other .38 Super.
the ability to compare warfare technology without any discrimination against which side used it gives me faith in humanity somehow.
Ry I'm really happy about that as well.
Well a lot of people are beginning to hate the AK47 as it is the choice of modern terrorists.
AverageGuard Lucas and
@@stockloc That's because the Soviet Union armed a lot of those people in the late 70s and early 80s.
@@dergipsyking6265 guns r cool
The 1911 is like a Zippo. Not a lot of changes, but then, not a lot needed to be changed. it'll be around (in some form) in 2111!
But they all are zippos!
the 1911 will still be around in another 100 years time ;)
the 1911 will be around as long as humans exist
The 1911 saw more change than the Luger which was basically the same as the first prototype compared to the last model, only difference between the third model of it was the spring was changed for coil spring and some tiny minor changes to perfect it, the Luger is in essence a perfected design of the gun it was based on.
And that form is ego... ;)
I carried my P08 just last week. Love that gun. I open carry it in the regular.
That’s cool I own two but I don’t carry them. Fun to shoot though.
@@craigthescott5074 I have two myself as well. One numbers matching 1918 and one non matching that I carry. Replaced all the springs in the one I carry and it’s super reliable.
@@BamaPewPew yep I have two S42’s both matching numbers. One I shoot the other is too nice I got it with its original holster and matching mags which is really rare. I believe it was a WW2 bring back. I haven’t shot it yet but I will.
21:22 well that's just wholesome, I don't even use a firearm and it just warms my heart, thanks hickok45
The Luger certainly the coolest, even if it's less practical.
Awaiting Input I get a lot of folks like it, but it just looks weird to me. Not good, not bad, just weird, like a space ray gun in a sci fi movie
I really like the Luger but the 1911 will always be my number 1
@@retrobeast2745 lol ikr
@@retrobeast2745 luger’s design came from sport pistols where people shoots on result
@@retrobeast2745 That’s why I love it
I had the opportunity to fire a lunger awhile back and I love how natural it feels in the hand it just fits
YES!!!!!
The 1911 just seems like a more user-friendly design. Thank you sir for what you do.
I used to go shooting with my Dad, amongst his collection he owned a Luger P08 which was from memory made under licence. He also owned a Tom Neild custom 1911. Tom was the British team Olympic armourer in the 1972 Olympics in Munich, which had that terrorist attack.
We used to reload both 9mm and. 45 rounds. We used to go shooting at the indoor range called Pennine Shooting Centre in Rochdale, UK.
When my Dad retired, he handed over all his firearms to me but after I started a family, I felt uneasy having firearms in the house. Shortly afterwards successfully selling the whole collection, there was the Dunblane shooting in Scotland and the UK drastically changed the firearm laws. I would have had to surrender everything and would have been given virtually nothing.
I support the American Constitution and the Right to bear arms.
Thank you for this video, it has brought back very happy memories of my Dad and me.
I do carry my WWII PO8 which my father brought back from the war. It isn’t an everyday carry, but fairly often. My 1911 is also a favorite carry; however, not every day. Be it nostalgia and fond memories of my father, or just owning a unique piece of history few others have, and especially carry, I love my PO8. I’ve never had the problems with mine as you have with the one you demonstrated on your video. In old vintage firearms, many are not kept in good condition and/or maintained properly, so over many years of being kept in that condition (especially since the PO8 was made to such tight tolerances) I would expect the problems with it you encountered. Needless to say, I love mine, it has never failed me and I do rely on it from time to time. I love all your shows and appreciate the quality of your presentations.
Best of Luck,
Jim Marye
Colonel, U. S. Army (Retired)
It makes me happy hearing you're able to have those memories and something tangible to link them to! Cheers! Thanks to you and your father for your service!
Colonel James Marye thank you for your service. God bless.
The 1911 has one of the best and most timeless designs ever. It is still beautiful. Handles well, too.
***** Yeah, the older ones tend to be a bit worn out, and yes, some things could be solved better, but like a car or anything else I always put things in context with age.....
The Ka-Bar on the table is just as iconic.
Luger v 1911 , the luger had a special tool in the holster to load the magazine, thanks for the nice video’s
we all love the look and mechanism of the Luger but if you needed one to save your life give me the 1911 every time.
Exactly...anybody saying they'd take the Luger needs to shoot one...you lose sight of your target every time you pull the trigger....not much good in a life and death situation. The mechanism may look cool, but the 1911 is going to be more useful when it comes to self defense.
Adeum Deus
The toggle is in your line of sight for perhaps a whole tenth of a second. The Luger has issues, but that's not one of them. It's susceptibility to dirt, the awkwardness of the safety, the sensitivity to different types of ammo, and the difficulty loading the magazines are much more real complaints to make against it.
Adeum Deus Remember the Luger was for officers who do not shoot much. Or they were used to execute people on their knees. 8 rounds are not much in a gun fight. Comfort over the 45 is one great thing you have to have held both on target. the sight loss on the target is after the load is on its way. And the loss lasts much less than a second.
I have an artillery Luger. It has a (I'm guessing) 9" barrel. It shoots very, very accurately. It's a much faster round than the 1911 but the energy of both rounds is very similar. I suspect that the 1911 would be better at close range and the Luger better at greater distances. The recoil on the Luger is much less than the 1911. The Luger looks to be a more precision weapon but the 1911 still looks extremely functional. The Luger is _very_ fussy about the ammunition. (But) using a powerful round, from a quality manufacturer, it never misfires. The 1911 seeems to be a lot less particular about the ammo. For home defense, either would be devastatingly effective. Another gun to consider is the Walther P38. This is even more particular about the round (needs a really powerful bullet) but is beautifully made and very easy to service and maintain. (With the "gray ghost" finish, the P38 never tarnishes or rusts. I have one - it's 77 years old and the finish is perfect).
The p08 artillery has almost the double barrel length , so it surely is more accurate (even comes with long-range sights) but therefore heavier and less manoeuvrable
Ian Rivlin:
I liked your post and agree on your observation regarding calibers.
I fired an artillery P-08 too (25 years ago at least) really nice gun, more accurate than the regular P-08 of course with the longer barrel.
What I would really like to see is a video comparison of the P-38 and the 1911 since they are both still in production (or the P-38 was until a few years back).
Actually, the P-38 is even better to shoot than the P-08 and feels a lot more modern to handle except for the magasin release at the heel of the handle.
My Dad has a very nice example with the engraving 'TO THE FREE DANISH' (resistance) originally take of a German officer by the resistance and then engraved of course. It's obvious to feel the quality of the workmanship of the pistol when you handle it, field strip it and shoot it. Unfortunately, I have never had the chance to even hold or shoot a 1911 but I'm sure it must be really nice, sturdy and a pleasure to shoot.
And just as a fun footnote: Back in 1989 when I left the Royal Danish Airforce, I handed in my M1 Garrand! they were still issued as personal weapons into the '90s for non-frontline troops in our Airforce, the Army had second-hand battered ex-German Army G-3's with wooden stocks. Thankfully the cold war stayed cold!
@@jenslarsen4519 I also handed In my Garand when the Australians had a guns buy back (1997). Sometime later, guns that were handled in, were finding themselves in the hands of armed criminals. Some corrupt police officers were selling the guns to "baddies" instead of crushing them. Whenever the government says it's doing something for your own good - DON'T BELIEVE THEM...
You need to grip the gun a little better. It keeps the energy in the slide, and ensures it cycles correctly.
@Thomas McMichael p38? Nice. I'd love to shoot that.
Great to see how this channel has changed, but stayed the same, over the last 10 years!!! The best firearm review channel to ever grace the internet, in my humble opinion!!!
honestly one of the greatest conflicts in history, and the greatest pistol matchup
It's been many years since I fired a P08, but I still say it's the best "feel" of any pistol I've ever held. It feels like it's making love to your hand. OTOH, the 1911 is the rational choice to stake your life on.
Makarov....... Nuff said
TheRambo Maybe you didn't notice the title of the thread?
Agreed, best feel!!!!!
The 1911 is cheaper, which is why it’s more prolific. Also, The PO8 is a little more difficult to manipulate, due to the fact that the German military tried to ensure that their soldiers were competent when dealing with firearms, so they didn’t necessarily idiot-proof them. But! They perform pretty darn well in rough and cold conditions, sometimes better than modern guns
Also, I recommend a new spring for the magazine in the PO8, and hotter ammunition: Winchester white box is too lightly loaded.
The Luger has some drawbacks but it definitely wins in the "coolness" department, in my opinion. I think it's a beautiful, classy pistol. I have one that was passed down to me from my grandfather.
Lugers require Full Power Ammo. Similar to Uzi 9 mm Loading. That's why possibly you were encountering Problems. I enjoy you're videos. Thankyou
in all honesty I would want both , both are a big part of history 👍.
My father was stationed in Germany back in the 1960's, for the US Military. He brought back a P08. From the research I've done, it's mostly a genuine model. There is only 1 part, maybe 2 that are from another P08 model. Still, it worked great. He had no issues with it for years, though he only shot it a few times from the time he got back in the late 60's through the 80's. He never shot it after that. So when he died it came to me. I had a friend of mine help me with cleaning it up, and making sure everything was ok with it. I took it shooting, and I didn't have the problems I'm seeing here, except for one problem. Anyway, I spent a day at the range with it, and it only malfunctioned once...which I would say was pretty good due to the fact that it wasn't shot for 30 years. It was pretty accurate after I figured out the sights. My only issue was the damn magazines. They were super hard to load. I could only get 5 rounds in before my hand was too tired to continue. So my friend and I did our best to clean them up, and we oiled up the springs as well. After that they were much easier to load...still stiff, but the more I work with them the better they are getting. Though I won't complain about stiff magazines due to the fact that they are 80 years old and still functioning. It's a wonderful and amazingly engineered firearm, and I love it to death.
Both are certainly unique pieces of history.
Those looks in absolutely gorgeous condition
The Luger was the German equivalent of the Japanese Army Officer's sword.
The P-08 is my favorite pistol of all time. Absolutely gorgeous.
RIght?? Its just the system is so fascinating.
It was very outdated compared to the 1911 in world war 2. That’s why it was used rarely compared to the p38, of you want a classy gun, the p38 surely is.
His comparison between the two is just a bit unfair... by his own admission, he's much more familiar with the 1911 than the Luger. If he spent more time with the Luger he'd be much more proficient with it...
@@farfoe5106 I mean overall the 1911 is basically the basis of almost every modern sidearm. Plus the P-08 was outdated by the time of world war 2, whereas the build quality of the 1911 wasn’t really affected much, as it even still holds up to modern specs, other then the single stack magazine of course.
The po8 is a very beautiful gun and a great piece of history but I have shot a lot of them and I would not want to carry one into combat, not reliable at all, to right of a weapon
The experiential difference between a 1911 and the Luger, is that the .45 feels like you are aiming a pistol, but the luger feels like an extension of your body, like pointing a finger. I remember thinking "I dont have to aim this, it hits right where im looking" the first time I fired one. That being said, the Colt wins hands down for overall design and will likely be around until we move on to non-kinetic weapons.
You ve nailed it! Regards from germany. The 08 is a diva, the 1911 a workhorse.
Brownings masterpeace, due to his mindset found inside, is the FN high power. The modern high capacity, ich dual action handgun, made pre ww2....
When I shot the og Luger my grandpa bought for $20 back in the 70s, that’s exactly what I realized. I could keep both eyes open and whatever I was looking at I’d hit and with a good tight grouping. I have never been as accurate with any other pistol I’ve shot
I found it totally the opposite. The Colt felt natural but the Luger felt, in a word, uncomfortable.
Luger is an Iconic pistol 🔫
I'm not really a gun type of guy but I will say this mans gun safety is impeccable notice how he turns the gun, switches hands, shows the camera different parts of the gun and the barrel never points anywhere other than down range even when not loaded. I watched a video before this where the guy cocks a bullet into the chamber while pointing up and to the right. I'm typically against guns, mainly because I believe fewer people should own them, but if anyone should be allowed to own guns it's people like this. well educated and well practiced great video by the way.
My grandfather was a captain in the army during WW2 and stormed Omaha Beach on D-Day. He carried a 1911 and an M1 Carbine. A German sniper was trying to pick him off when he got on the beach and he took that sniper out with his carbine. When he eventually made his way to that sniper's nest he noticed that sniper had a Walther P38 as their sidearm (I know not the same as a luger). He apparently "tried the gun out" whatever that means and tossed his 1911 next to the sniper's body and carried that P38 because he said it was an overall better pistol than his 1911. He carried it during his entire time in Europe. Now, I love 1911s but man is that a story!
That’s really cool. Hope he was able to bring it back.
You know my dad my day made a similar comment to me back several years ago. Which he fought in the Philippines. The story was so long ago I don't remember the pistol that he picked up but he liked it better than the Colt 45 he was issued. I reckon he kept his 45 but still relieved the Dead Soldier of his pistol and says he could get better with it than he could the 45. But I don't remember what it was. Good day to you sir.
Fake because captains didn't have m1911s because the were used for closed combat. Your grandad is a cowad
@@clappedcosmic9204 and by the way it's not closed combat dumbass, it's close combat!
@@jackwatkins7382 ya but when it is closed combat it means tight spaces and cloes combat its is the same thing. M1911s are issued only for air for air force pilots if they crashed and for main captain of a army Section .
When my first wife took off she took my 1911 along, leaving me with a Luger. The final settlement brought my 45 back home where it still is 35 years later.
your wife had good taste!
Was she in the military?
@@questreality8262 i think she wanted to took HALF))
It's good that you got it back.
Congratulations! You kept the pistol and the ex-wife went up for 'auction'! *YOU, my friend, got the better deal!* lol!
been watching hickock45 since i was like 14-15 years old. im 23 now and have learned so much and own a fine collection myself now. thanks for getting me so interested in the hobby hickck
I love how this man is happiest man ever every time he fires a gun, oh... It's really nice to see.
The Luger is cool and iconic but the 1911 is so simple that it’s one of the if not the best pistol in history
Tokarev TT-33
The 1911 is a beaut
Best WW2 handguns:
1. 1911
2. Luger
3. Tokarev
4. Browning hi power
5. Anything made in either Germany or US
Last: Nambu doesn’t get a number because it’s just plain awful.
@@moistexistence3090 P38
Nekro Daknei oh yeah P38 would probably be better or the same as a Luger.
The 1911 is widely accepted as the best military pistol ever.
But that doesn't mean the p08 Luger isn't good.
In fact the the p08 is extremely cool,
I don't even know if there's a more Psycho-sexual pistol then the Luger.
From everything I've read, the German officers who actually fired their pistols preferred the Walther P38 by a wide margin.
you mean Glocks are widely accepted as the best military pistols?
Michael McBroom
As much as I know, the Borchard pistol was the first automatic pistol. If you look at it it was very clumsy and not well suited for the anatomy of the hand. It had the same mecanism as the 08 pistol. The first pistol with a more modern system was the Mauser C96. All those pistols were made of milled parts which made production expensive. In Germany nobody counted on a long lasting war, so it did not seem necessary to produce a new pistol, there seemed to be more urgent developments. When it became evident more pistols were needed it was clear that a cheeper model had to be produced. That was the birthday of the P38. So if you want to compare sidearms you probably should take the P38 and the 1911. I myself like to shoot my 08 but in a situation of defense i`d prefer the P38.
corvus corax yes correct....
the p38 was a foreward thinking weapon...
infact the Beretta 92 is basicly a son of the p38...
also the walther pp series was also excellent.
all these pistols are amazing when you compare them to modern firearms....
Even the Walther PPK to today's standards only looses out on mag size, but nothing else.
Chase Howard You messed it up at the end
First expert pistol medal In Navy was on 1911. Loved it. Always reliable. Did joke about the loose tolerance, but it did the job. Marine gunny training us made us tear down “blindfolded”. Another nice feature is easy to clean. Wish I had the money when the Seabees had a 50th Anniversary limited release. Still looking for one today. Good memories
The Finnish Lahti factory produced a pistol that very much resembled the P 08 Luger. However it didn't use the characteristic toggle mechanism of the Luger, but more similar to the FN Browning. The Lahti was license produced in Sweden by Husqvarna in 9 mm parabellum calibre, and was adopted by the Swedish Armed Forces as the 9 mm pistol m/40. It was the standard sidearm until the 1990s when it was replaced by the 9 mm Glock.
Lugers are notoriously `fussy eaters` but function perfectly with the correct diet.
Great analogy.
That correct diet reportedly would be anything with a NATO symbol on it. Lugers were made to fire German submachinegun ammo. It was much hotter than average US commercial 9mm ball. Lugers like it hot. (Also amazing what a new set of springs will do for a pistol.)
@@stephendovi8894 Lugers like it hot, Love it, ...sounds like a war/porn movie! Yep, i used surplus MOD ammo bought on the cheap by my local range before they were banned here in the UK in `97.
I have read that most .22 RF autoloading pistols prefer one brand of ammo over the others. That must be a common fault with autoloaders. My solution, get a 1911 or get a revolver.
@@bobsradio6025 first of all the 1911 is an auto loader, secondly that sound like a rim fire problem not an automatic problem. I’ve shot plenty of 22 pistols and quite frankly unless you’re using an old gun that needs standards you can pretty much give it whatever, now wether it’s accurate is a separate matter, now i have seen one finicky 22 but if you gave it mini mags it ran fine but in my experience that’s been the exception rather than the rule.
If I had the choice I would definitely pick the 1911. Hard hitting, reliable and ageless looks. The luger is a cool looking weapon put I rather have it as mere collection item.
I have both Luger and 1911 from WW2. Both guns were jamming up like the Luger and I knew what it was. My grandfather inlaw had them stored away with the magazine full; it weakens the spring and doesn't chamber properly.
Lugers are very sensitive to ammo and magazine spring pressure. The PO-8 came with a small tool that helped you pull that knob on the magazine down for loading. A lot of GIs shortened the mag springs to make it easier, but that toggle action is so swift to cycle that the pistol really needs that stiff spring. I have two Lugers. The bring-back is accurate and reliable, the other one, manufactured in the 1970's by Mauser from old parts, is usually reliable, but occasionally the extractor will fail to grab the empty for ejection. I have known a couple of German soldiers who used Lugers, and they both felt that the guns were an excellent combat arm. Personally, I am a P-38 junkie. --Old Guy
"The luger probably would not stand up as well in a muddy trench" inrangetv: challenge accepted
Actually, it didn't. Just dirt caused it to jam. The remedy was not redesigning the gun, but redesigning the holster, totally enclosing the pistol.
@@robertkf1 I referring to the inrangetv mud test they did on a ww1 luger in which it preformed immaculately, in comparison to other pistols.
@@tuckerrichardson2606 Oh. I was referring to the Wehrmacht. I have to see the inrange tv vid now. 👍
@@robertkf1 it's a goody, surprised me for sure
@@tuckerrichardson2606 I love when InrangeTV busts stupid fudd myths.
As far as I know the 3 main reasons of a luger jamming are as follows:
1 Underpowered ammo. Most 9mm ammo in the US today is underpowered. Luger's spec for his 9MM ammo is a 124Gr FMJ moving at 400+ meters per second out of the standard luger barrel. (That is over 1300 FPS). (Do your own research but all I read so far as that these guns do not like weak loads).
2 Bad magazines. (Even 1911-s had this problem and weren't that popular with the modding crown till Wilson Combat really upped the level with their mags)
3 Worn out springs. If your Luger jams often, it is recommended to change out the springs for a fresh one. I believe that Wolf makes them and it will restore the guns reliability in a big way if the previous 2 items are addressed.
Life Style your the only one who nows luger .
Jake Hansen. Actually the Luger is a lot more reliable than you give it credit for. I actually used mine as a secondary in 2 and 3 gun matches (Just because, why not haha) and never had a jam. There is a video out on the channel In Range TV you should check out where they put a luger in a mud test. I was actually surprised by those results, but it reinforced my belief regarding the quality of this gun. However, I will not do that kind of abuse to mine if I can help it.
Lino Klein Meuleman. Thanks for the compliment. However, I am far from an expert. I own one and can only share my experience and what I know from research and what I seen with others.
ian mc collum and carl cassarda from in range tv have a report on the luger !
jake hansen The Luger actually holds up pretty well to dirt and mud. The problems with Lugers are, as previously mentioned, low pressure ammo, bad magazine design, and worn springs.
1911 my favorite pistol ever manufactured, extremely reliable I love shooting mine. I also love a po8 Luger both really nice guns but I would choose my 1911 any day 45 cap is a powerhouse of a round thank you Jon Browning you made my favorite pistol.
My Dad was a WW2 Marine Raider. So when I was a young man I got to shoot his 1911's! Which I thought were great pistols. My Uncle left me his Luger which became my first Luger. I enjoyed firing it as well & over the years I have owned some nice Lugers. I no longer fire the Lugers but I still get the 1911 out quite a bit. I guess if I was in a war I would hands down take the 1911 over the Luger. That being said I have always enjoyed shooting the Lugers as well! Thanks for posting such a cool video!
The P08 should be reproduced. I bought one, it's tooo nice to carry, but is very accurate. I would buy a clone to carry!!!!! The feel of both are great. I love the P08. I have normal size hands. I have 3-1911's. All accurate as well. The P08 mags are stiff. I loaded them and kept them loaded now for about 7 months now. Hopefully next time, they will be easier to load. Both Iconic war weapons!!
The Luger is stylish and the 1911 is more simplistic
@@floridaboi904 It's just a matter of personal opinion, as always
Colt 45 is American in appearance e all he way
The other way around
Benny Blanco obvious troll is obvious.
Absolutely the other way around. The Luger looks as industrious as the people that designed it.
I love the way the luger feels in the hand. My grandfather owned 2 as well as several 1911s and revolvers. We would shoot all of them sometimes and I would always miss a few times with every gun except the luger. I wish I could put the luger handle on a 1911 chambered in 357 sig. But that probably won't be happening anytime soon.
You know I don’t think I would have a problem carrying that for a side arm. The gun didn’t last that long if it was junk and they are very nostalgic. I would love to own one. That’s just history. My only fear is that something bad could happen to the gun like gets stolen
Perhaps if Germany had won both wars, then the Lugar would now occupy the highly regarded spot that the 1911 holds. As they say, winners write history.
I think this too
No it wouldn't. Germany was phasing out the Luger in favor of the Walther P38. The Walther pistol was cheaper to produce and produced in far greater numbers than the Luger. Between 500,000 and 1 million P38 were produced by Germany during the war.
***** History seems to have disagreed.
***** most countries have stahlhelm type helmets.
The AK47's ergonomics were influenced by the Stg44, while the round was imported from the SKS, and the action (gas-operated instead of recoil) was taken from the M1 Garand (and the SKS, but that was also taken from the Garand).
As to who broke Germany's back, there isn't an answer that is both simple and worth a damn. The Russian front absorbed more men; the US damaged German infrastructure. The US kept Hitler's elite troops occupied and supplied tech to a underdeveloped Russia early on; Russia completed the necessary invasion of Berlin.
The simplest answer is usually right when it comes to science, but utter bull when it comes to history.
"I'm not gonna do a 30-40 minute video" does a 25 Minute video
It's 24 minutes
Lol he wasn't lying. Just took the classy route.
Luger is an iconic gun I own more than one. The Luger shown on the table has the historically broken off notch on the left side grip panel (especially notable at 0:51), so this gun was taken apart at one point and not carefully put back together. But, as one poster noted, the best of each has been kept from time immemorial: The drop in barrel with slide action, and the 9mm Luger Parabellum round.
I like the Video, and I usually just adore Hickok45 for the commentary, but on the Luger, there are some issues. Several folks noted reliability issues, and yes, in a dirty environment, there can be owing to tolerances. One poster correctly noted the ammunition issue. I have a 1939 Luger, and it functions fine with Winchester white box.
The issue with loading the magazine is due to the fact that you do not have the little loading tool that came with the gun when it was issued. You can get one relatively cheaply, or if you have any machining access, making a functional one is a very simple matter.
Many people also do not like the grip angle of the Luger, because it was designed as a "natural pointer". I find that the only issue I have is that prolonged firing tends to give me a bit of a blister on the knuckle of my thumb right where it is below the safety. More owing to how my hand wraps around the grip. Other's YMMV. Ruger did copy the grip angle from the Luger, so if you like shooting a Ruger Mark IV in most of the models, you'll be fine with the Luger.
The feeding issue that Hickok45 had can be a magazine issue and I noticed that the pistol was a bit dirty in the start. Cleanliness is a Luger's friend, and they were designed to take down and clean often, especially since primers were very caustic back then. With the mag, he's using an 80 year old magazine. I have the matching ones for my Luger and they work, but when I take it to the range, I use the MecGar magazines. MecGar still, to this day, makes mags for the Luger pistol and I've found that they work fairly well. Feed lips and springs in the old ones just tire out, esp if they were used actively. Remember...80 year old technology made the gun and mags. The oldest Lugers are over 120 years old.
The Luger, as used for a carry firearm, just requires you to practice the 5 count draw. At count 4, where both hands come together and right before you push out, you deactivate the safety with your support side hand as it comes to wrap around the pistol. If you are a lefty, the draw is similar, but you deactivate the safety with your left thumb as the hands come together, primarily to maintain control. Lefties could deactivate it as it clears leather, but that leaves you open to a possible negligent discharge if you mishandle it by accident. The absolute ONLY reason I do not carry mine, is that if I were ever involved in a concealed carry incident here in California, when they take the pistol for evidence, I'll never see it again. The cops would find a way to keep it.
Also, the sights on the standard 4" war models are very hard to use. It takes some getting used to. A tiny, almost insignificant "V" notch rear sight and a tapered front sight means you need to create a "diamond", where the very tip of the front sight is level with the top of the rear sight and it's centered at the top of the "V". But I can put 9mm through the same hole at 20 yards with this gun. It's as accurate as any revolver.
My only regret is American Eagle stopped making them in the late 90s.
My first and only handgun for several decades was a Ruger Mk.II Bull barrel model which I used to shoot extensively. Later I bought a PPK, several Sigs, a Glock and a 1911, but they all felt foreign to me. Until I tried my first Luger. It was like coming home again!
Great day for me, this morning I watched you show an M14 and now a 1911-----the first half of my tour with 2/9 3rd mar div1968 I carried the 1911, no rifle as I was a navy corpsman, probably 25years ago I got one, quite used but wonderful to me. Then in the 2ed half of my tour 1969 I was with third shore party, I acquired am M14 and loved it too much, now 5o years to the year I bought a new one.
In my working years I couldn't begin to afford one, I am so happy to have it if only I could hold it up? To me no finer for the job at hand. Bless you all. Den
I’ll go with the P-08, German Engineering fascinates me.
The main "issue" with the P08 is, that she's a little bit more complicated which makes it more expensive to produce + that she doesn't shoot 9mm Bullets to my knowledge.
Otherwise, the P08 will be perform mostly as good as the 1911 if you replace the Magazin Spring with a slighty stronger one.
Gabriel Ramos
Same.
Gabriel Ramos Nice pfp lol
@Primal Leviathan I think he know what a Maschinengewehr 42 is.
@@DaroriDerEinzige Are you saying the Luger doesn't shoot 9mm bullets? Because 9×19mm cartridges were quite literally designed by Georg Luger for that exact gun, hence why the ammo is called "9mm Luger"
My friend has as many as three Lugers of various years. He collected them while we were volunteers in the Croatian War of Independence. He got two from some old partisans and one he captured in the war from a Serbian officer. Great guns. We shot targets at 20 and 50 meters with excellent results. I have a Beretta 7.65 and 9 mm. and a S&W 44 revolver that a friend gave me because it was too big and unwieldy for him to carry.
I love watching this video and his other video on the Luger while admiring my own 1939 Mauser made Luger that’s just a few serial numbers apart from that one , is all matching numbers too ( although mine is a battle worn veteran that has obviously seen a lot more use and cosmetic wear that that one ). I have actually used mine as an EDC occasionally because I have bought new mec gar magazines that are 100% reliable and have trained with it enough to condition myself to automatically remove the safety as I acquire my grip and the sights come on target. It’s almost as fast and easy for me as it is with my own beloved 1911’s and I can actually get the first and subsequent shots on target faster with it due to the lower recoil impulse and balance of the mechanism. I just sit here chuckling and thinking about how much I love watching him shoot and how much I hate listening to someone who knows so little about the guns he shoots. Dude take a little time out from call of duty and pick up a book or two sometime. I have all 75 issues of gun digest from 1944-2021 and dozens of specialty books about the guns I own or have owned as well. When you buy a gun buy a book. Or when you borrow a gun to do a video on, maybe take a day or two to read up and educate yourself about it before telling someone else all about it, that’s a good place to start if you want to really get knowledgeable about guns. My feelings are before you even load let alone fire a gun you’re not familiar with you should have at least a basic working knowledge of it. Like when he was complaining about loading the magazines. I bet if he were to look in the top of the holster flap of the one that the guy sent with it he would find the handy dandy loading/ takedown tool that was issued with the gun and if not could have spent $7.00 for a reproduction one that usually only needs a little filing to fit properly over the mag button, or $10 for a pair of better modern ones made from polymer like I did. They work like gangbusters and even better than the original one. In fact I keep one on my keychain now just to make people ask, what is that and so that on days I actually carry mine for defense I have it handy.
Thanks for your reply. I don't own any guns, but it was readily apparent this was a biased, uneducated comparison by Hickok, just by reading the comments offered in support of the Luger, well before reading yours.
My grandfather was in the German army then (he was drafted, he didn't go in willingly) and was able to bring back all of his gear (uniform, helmet, and weapons) he brought back his k98 and his p08. I currently have both of the guns in my home and that p08 is one of the most beautiful pieces of weaponry I own
Many years ago I bought a 1932, 1911 very worn but shot well once you got the way of it,
Sold it as you do when young,
Was living in Germany later and was allowed to shoot a Submarine Po8 with 8inch barrell,
2 inch group with 5 rounds at 25 metres using Norma Luger 9mm,
I believe this was also an artillery pistol as well,
Need a P38.
If he had volunteered, he would be a true hero. But your clarification already shows how defeated we have all been by the current regime.
Too bad he was on the loosing team!!
@@nathanduckeorth806
But he could spell losing correctly though.
@@delalicanto7432
You're saying because he wasn't gung-ho about being in the army the current government and prior to it made him feel guilty so he daren't admit he volunteered.
Or he genuinely believed that what Hitler was attempting was wrong, see its arrogant Germans that gave the nation a bad name.
Lugers are great, but nothing beats a good ol' 1911.
The M1911 is such a timeless classic and I feel is the poster child for all pistols
Nothing beats the 1911 absolutely beautiful, reliable, and ageless
I wouldn't say ageless. There's plenty of better options nowadays and 9mm has way more options for self defense loads than 45ACP. I own a luger and a 1911 and both are great guns to use. But I would prefer a modern handgun over either of the two.
I love how this is in my recommendations as soon as I say I want a gun.
I really like your comparisons. You compare the guns objectively and not patriotic. Im not saying you are not patriotic but you mention the facts about both weapon and make your choice reasonable. Keep doing your videos :)
Greeting from Germany
I own a 1911, with a chrome finish and black grips! It's big, heavy and clunky compared to modern metal and polymer pistols made today, but just a classic that's instantly recognisable. The Luger P08 is an unusual looking pistol but again instantly recognised just from glancing at it.
Little story about the Luger P08...Ronnie Kray the notorious British gangster shot a rival gangster George Cornell with a Luger P08 in the forehead in a London pub in late 1960's at nearly point blank range...resulting in neat hole dead centre forehead, but a large piece his skull at back came off when they tried to move him..he was still alive too for a few hours!
The original tool that came with the Luger makes loading the magazine easier: it fits over the button so you can hold it down.
Fact. I had one when I owned a P.08
2 of my favorite pistols, I own both of an a fan of the artillery luger, something about they way a luger naturally points I have always liked.
Had a Luger P08 years ago and sold it as I never really liked it, albeit it was indeed a fascinating and intricate piece of machinery.
My Father actually used a Luger P08 as his self defense weapon when he lived in South Africa. Beautiful piece of work it was.
Thanks for reviewing this iconic weapon, my Great grandfather who was in the SS gave this to his son, my grandpa (wermacht) then to my dad. Finally to me. It served lots of wars. WW1, WW2, Nam, Korea, Iraq then in my house. Thank you for bringing memories.
Oh, Hello see my mouth? I will devour you it's incredible how bullshit that comment is lol
Wade Vandoloski IT is NOT a bullshit comment.
such an interresting story, the Luger is a very beautiful gun. Im so jealous u have one
Wade Vandoloski how was that bullshit tho? Guns being passed down happens all the time dude.
The Buzzard The Buzzard OP says that his great grandfather served in the SS and passed it to his son, which is OP's grandfather. However, OP says that the Luger was used in world war one, yet the SS was not created until afterwards by Hitler. Considering what Krieger wrote this comment is false as far as his great grandfather using a Luger while also serving in the SS during world war one is concerned
Hickok's videos are among the very few with which I just go ahead and hit the like button before I even watch them just to get that out of the way. I've always wanted a Luger but could never afford one.
People who have taught me the most about guns:
-My Dad
-My Uncle
-Hickok45
I held a Luger in my hand for a minute back in the early 80's it feels nice and comfy.
Its not a luger, but I ran into and talked with an older gentleman who was open carrying an old 32acp mauser at walmart the other day, with drzm marks and everything. He told me about an old Astra and some other rare guns he had and also about his time teaching service dogs for the washington, dc police force, many moons ago. Was really neat to connect with someone i never knew, over a simple pistol.