@@enjii4316 Are you stupid? He's saying that ldr, item for crit based champions is better for assasins, than an item created specifically for assasins. Logic is outside the window clearly
Serylda provides both lethality AND %penetration. If you build it later in the game serylda if far better for assasins than LDR as it grants you around 5% points less penetration as a trade of 15 lethality which is better unless target has ≥300 armor. And targets with this many armor points are most likely not your target anyway. And that is when we ignore 30% slow on all abilities that serylda gives too, unlike LDR that has literally no passive now
It baffles me how people don't realize that 40% armor pen is the most pen in the game against any champ and think lethality does more against squishy targets.
yea 40% is ridiculous... after the durability update in s12 or whenever.. now every1 has like 100 armor basically. ldr gives like 40 lethality while other items give 18.... crazy.
Super early game ur better of with lethality item cuz they give more ad and other effects but yeah by like 3rd item its just more worth than any lethalithy item unless you are going for some specific effect on lethality item that goes well with the champ
Dominik is a 3rd item, it variantes a lot but profan hydra is must have to clear wave, youmuus if you're kha zix,, umbral glaive if you're a pyke, edge of the night to be safe Assassins see different than adcs, assassin's wants Snowball and Snowball means that enemies will not even reach 90 armor until the game is over (unless enemies buy armor obviously)
I don't think either item can replace the other, as Collector is an early game item and LDR a lategame one. Which means on champs that would go Collector you can and probably should still build LDR 5th or so.
@@Element_Doom it's better to have a better crit item or lethality item than colector built first Since you secure more your winning state The 5% execute is the most overrated passive in the game 5% of 2000hp is 100hp, you mean to tell you wasted gold in order to execute an opponent at 100hp??! Colector is not the best of both worlds(crit and lethality), it's the worst of both worlds Only 2 cases collector is ok is Samira(imo she is better with Bloodthirster or shieldbow first because all you want is to proc ultimate) and Aphelios (he gains lethality per level) Draven preffers raw AD for his Q axes, Jhin is better with also big AD items, etc
@@arthursa8473 Caitlin is also a good user of collector first since she uses all the stats really well If you combo really well the AD build is really good Collector, IE, LDR,BT
LS' argument hasn't always been valid. it's the first time LDR has had 40% arpen, and Collector is at an all time low in terms of lethality. for the longest time, the damage difference for mid game wasn't that big of a deal
@@boldisordorin9010 The whole point of going LDR would be you also going IE. Serylda would not fit the build as well as LDR would. You can get your CDR from boots and Axiom and of course your Profane rush if you want it
you can see all the people who complain about assassin damage dont build this item. like, just build it, it is just better than any other one on 3rd/4th item.
You also have to consider that lethality is applied AFTER the armor penetration % (so in this case 40% of ldr). And since lethality is stronger the lower the enemy armor is that means that % arp will enhance the lethality effect. Allways build ldr/serylda kids
@NepNeppy I'd argue its good if they have just SOME healing, not even heavy. It doesn't take much for that healing reduction to make up for the 5 AD and 5% armor pen. They literally cost the same.
Depends on champ like how LDR isn't good for Varus, and also on team. More AOE/multi-targeting adc (ex. MF, Jinx, etc.) = build mortal, more single-targeting adc (Vayne, etc.) = don't build mortal. But most of the times Tanks/Bruisers/Mages/AD Casters etc. should go anti heal and ADCs should build something else. It's just not worth the money
I wish for an Item Analysis between Blackfire Torch and Liandry's Torment. That would be nice :) Imo Blackfire Torch works in the same way like Yun Tal does, enhancing a stat you already have. But I think that even with alot of AP Blackfire Torch deals less burn dmg than Liandry's 2% max HP burn.
blackfire torch definately meant to be bought if you have high ap values. So if you play like amumu or smth, you shouldnt get it, but i can go liandry, or on morde... But with 800Ap karthus, blackfire can be nice, especially if you hit like 3-4 champs and gain 12% more ap.
The reason to go blackfire as a laner is that the build path gives you lost chapter, which is far more valuable early game than Liandry's haunting guise.
@@Welari12 100%. Only Blackfire if you really need the mana for lane control and cant build the other lost chapter items. Other than that Blackfire is imo the worst item ingame. Dont know why everyone is building this crap. Its like Ldr vs Serylda, just look at the stats its more than obvious you have to build Ldr like 95% of the times.
Even against pretty squishy cops I do LDR most of the times. For some reason it felt efficient, though it doesn't look like it at first glance! Thanks for explaining
Could you analyze Yun Tal? I could never tell if it's actually a good item because the total damage count applies to everything instead of just champions.
What about the grievous wounds item? I feel like it's better in almost every scenario since heals and lifesteal are so common but people barely build it over LDR
PTA is generally good for short trades, u proc it, deal dmg and get out or kill. Conquerer is only good if you can stack it, and keep it stacked over a long fight. That means if the enemy team is squishy, meaning short fights and trades, PTA is probably better. If they have beefy tanks or bruisers, you can easily stack Conquerer so it is more valuable in drawn out fights. Hope that helps for general understanding :)
Id love a first item IE vs Collector analysis. How good does collector have to be to be a better 1st item/ does it fall behind too much at 2nd item already, with IE indirectly scaling better with more crit?
Collector is the better first item because it has lethality so u deal more physical dmg, not just auto. With only 25% crit chance, u arent critting a lot, so the value of crit dmg is kinda low. So IE should be 2nd or 3rd to boost your AA dmg.
I think I saw a few Qiyana players going LDR instead of Grudge, but that was 1-2 patches ago. Can we have a side by side analysis? Like, compare what item is worth more for assassins?
I’m a qiyana main and i still build lord dominik instead of grudge, its not that i don’t need the slow its just that it is safer economically wise. Some patches ago i used to build infinity edge and collector too because infinity edge amplifies Red-Q crit damages and was so fkn broken.
I love building ldr early and i know its very strong, but the item isn't really all that good before you fully complete it which is the main reason i sometimes buy it as a 3rd or 4th item compared to 2nd.
So true, this item IS so op I usually build It second when I see a single Talk in the enemie team, because It might not be completly funcional aganist non tank champions but IS so op It barely makes a diferencie from taking ie
If enemy team has some way to heal in combat, mortal reminder is viable. Just think like this: 10% armor pen help u deal more dmg than 40% amount they heal? If no, get mortal reminder, if yes, get LDR. Also anti heal is kinda cheap, u can ask any teammates buy 800 gold antiheal thing for u
one of the trickier parts is that lethality provides flat penetration and percent penetration does not work well with lethality. If taken in a vacuum, LDR will almost always beat flat penetration when comparing single items. The story will change when taken more holistically. Assuming 36 lethality with two items, an additional lethality item of 18 brings 70 armor to 16 Assuming 36 lethality with two items, LDR’s 40% penetration brings 70 armor to 20.4 LDRs percent penetration will only get worst with more items, for squishy targets, which is the main focus of assassins. Coupled with the fact that crit is less desirable than flat AD, and other lethality items have better passives, lethality is the optimal choice to stack for assassins against squishies
Can you please do a video on why not to build the collector (or perhaps rather when to actually build it). It's not a BAD item it just annoys me seeing people build it on champions where it just doesn't do much. Like for some champions like samira it's nice early game because your opponents don't have much armor so you can snowball faster while still giving you crit, but if you don't need crit/don't basic attack a lot why not just get a lethality item with better stats lol (I get it though. The execute is very satisfying even if it doesn't do much. I love building heartsteel because it's very satisfying even if it probably not actually very good)
you could compare lord dom to collector against average armor and hp on squishies at lvl as well and show when is 100% better (unless you hitting already low hp target wich the 5% would surpass)
I only buy seryldas if they dont have much dashes and blinks (more movement speed dependent champs) AND only 1 or 0 tanks AND im playing a lethality build, or ezreal. Used to buy it way more until I realised LDR damage.
%pen items should be tailored to punish building bonus health and armor and should not be strong against squishy at all. 40% armor pen against someone with 50 armor is still 20 armor shred. Thats way more than any lethality item. Maybe they can change it to %bonus armor pen like in some past seasons, but we can have 60-70% bonus armor pen instead of 45%, and also give LDR its giant slayer passive back
ldr works when enemy has armor, the counter to ldr is more armor, reducing 1000 armor malphite to 600 is still 600 armor the dmage mitigated is around 7%
Lol no. With 5000 hp and 1000 armor you would have 5000*(1+1000/100)=55000 effective health, with 600 armor - 35000. And 55k is 57% more than 35k. And somebody in your team could also have black cleaver, and many champions also have built-in 20-30% armor pen, etc etc...
It's like lord Dominicks but offers attack speed and less armor pen. 1 shot is ammor pen/magic own the next shot is magic resist and armor. Good 3rd item for kai'sa and vayne
Wrong. Ever since they took out the giant slayer passive, mortal reminder is more value for the gold. You get the percent armor pen and healing reduction--all champs have heal mid to late game from runes and items.
If enemy have Aatrox, Vladimir or some champion like these two that has insane healing, build Mortal Reminder. It’s only 5% armor pen diff compared to LDominik and you get GW effect.
As a math guy my self, I have been saying this for a while, the item has been broken for years. Even back then, if a target had 300 hp more than you, it basically always dealt more damage than Collector, which as an ADC was basically everyone. Samira was at 300 hp an 100 armor, but even more her collector was a rarity to ever be good. (Remember Samira has high AD scalings. Most other ADCs stopped just like now at 70 armor.)
i know you don't do videos in this style but you seem really knowledgeable so i wanted to ask if you would make a video to get the most optimal build for veigar/vladimir (i know its game by game and can'#t be right 100% but a core build)
I use veigar a good amount I like Ludens as it scales with ap then archangels for more spamming and giving you a free Sheild for a person gettitng on top of you then I would say rabadons cap for just more fat ap then if the team has assassins and thins with good lockdown then add a crown or locket despite being support items they can be good though if they have other types of champs or the assassins are underfed or are going for another target void staff works (or as a sell boots item) or go cryptbloom for fat healing and finally if heavy ap or ad team going a tank item can work as you have enough ap with passive and rabadons Tl:dr core is ludens companion then archangels/ seraphs then rabadons death cap and then going a combination of crown,locket,void staff, crypt bloom and a tank item depending on situation
Typically Veigar wants items with AP scalings built into it, such as Luden's or Stormsurge, due to the nature of his champion. Right now, a really good build pattern is Luden's, Stormsurge (if behind, go Rab instead), Rabbadon (get stormsurge instead if didn't 2nd item). Then, for your final item, if you're getting one shot or caught a lot, go for defensives, otherwise go cryptbloom into any ap item of your choice that isn't one of the burn ones.
I have no idea why people don't buy this item more often. It gives the same amount of pen as a collector against a target with 30 armour which is like every champ by level 3 or 4, so at higher levels it's busted. Not to mention its synergy with lethality.
Great video! I don't understand why no one watches this channel? This guy teaches everyone for free with facts such as optimalizing your items and no bullshit coaching. Interesting and useful tips as always, but why is the video vertical? It's kinda annoying and you would have much more space. I'm not trying to trashtalk, just asking.
Thanks you and don't worry, the views are growing pretty quick 😁. I'm originally from Tiktok, I've already tried changing the format to horizontal specifically for RUclips, but it adds a lot of work and it would be impossible to keep up with the pace I'm currently in (1 video a day).
@@lolhavoc Tiktok? Those kids can watch your videos without Subway surfer gameplay? Jokes aside, it always feels good when I find someone who doesn't make garbage on tiktok.
On graves its definetely the most broken item in the game by far and not even close. The powerspike is crazy. If you had one base with 3000 gold in bag. You buy this item come back hit a champ you literally deal double the damage. Not only 20% its double.
Ofc it will be more troubling, but while explaining you could provide us with real in-game footage, with dummies for example, showing the difference of damage, stats, etc
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i love how ldr is better than serlyda for most assassins. Truly a role of all time
@@enjii4316 Are you stupid? He's saying that ldr, item for crit based champions is better for assasins, than an item created specifically for assasins. Logic is outside the window clearly
If you have a KS gun and Lord Dominik, you also have 50% crit chance😂
Serylda provides both lethality AND %penetration. If you build it later in the game serylda if far better for assasins than LDR as it grants you around 5% points less penetration as a trade of 15 lethality which is better unless target has ≥300 armor. And targets with this many armor points are most likely not your target anyway. And that is when we ignore 30% slow on all abilities that serylda gives too, unlike LDR that has literally no passive now
@@Ciasteczkowy tbf before the buff there was literally 0 reason to build seryldas over LDR but now its solid
You're paying more for the slow
It baffles me how people don't realize that 40% armor pen is the most pen in the game against any champ and think lethality does more against squishy targets.
yea 40% is ridiculous... after the durability update in s12 or whenever.. now every1 has like 100 armor basically. ldr gives like 40 lethality while other items give 18.... crazy.
Super early game ur better of with lethality item cuz they give more ad and other effects but yeah by like 3rd item its just more worth than any lethalithy item unless you are going for some specific effect on lethality item that goes well with the champ
you can get up to 60% with Nilah
Dominik is a 3rd item, it variantes a lot but profan hydra is must have to clear wave, youmuus if you're kha zix,, umbral glaive if you're a pyke, edge of the night to be safe
Assassins see different than adcs, assassin's wants Snowball and Snowball means that enemies will not even reach 90 armor until the game is over (unless enemies buy armor obviously)
But lethality scales with abilities and armour pen doesn't
Someone mention Hans Sama
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Hans Sama: Immediately buys Bloodthirster
basically what LS has been saying for years and why he hates collector. Good to see someone present the maths
I don't think either item can replace the other, as Collector is an early game item and LDR a lategame one. Which means on champs that would go Collector you can and probably should still build LDR 5th or so.
@@Element_Doom it's better to have a better crit item or lethality item than colector built first
Since you secure more your winning state
The 5% execute is the most overrated passive in the game
5% of 2000hp is 100hp, you mean to tell you wasted gold in order to execute an opponent at 100hp??!
Colector is not the best of both worlds(crit and lethality), it's the worst of both worlds
Only 2 cases collector is ok is Samira(imo she is better with Bloodthirster or shieldbow first because all you want is to proc ultimate) and Aphelios (he gains lethality per level)
Draven preffers raw AD for his Q axes, Jhin is better with also big AD items, etc
@@MrDonJuanquiswhat should cait build first? I always go collector, should I go ie?
@@arthursa8473 Caitlin is also a good user of collector first since she uses all the stats really well
If you combo really well the AD build is really good
Collector, IE, LDR,BT
LS' argument hasn't always been valid. it's the first time LDR has had 40% arpen, and Collector is at an all time low in terms of lethality. for the longest time, the damage difference for mid game wasn't that big of a deal
I love going LDR third on Rengar, it definitely feels stronger than any lethality item you can grab on an assassin like him.
You can get serylda
@@boldisordorin9010 LDR gives more Armor Pen and Rengar doesn't really need that much CDR I belive?
@@boldisordorin9010 The whole point of going LDR would be you also going IE. Serylda would not fit the build as well as LDR would. You can get your CDR from boots and Axiom and of course your Profane rush if you want it
@@boldisordorin9010 POintless on rengar, especially considering his Q scales with crit
you can see all the people who complain about assassin damage dont build this item. like, just build it, it is just better than any other one on 3rd/4th item.
You also have to consider that lethality is applied AFTER the armor penetration % (so in this case 40% of ldr).
And since lethality is stronger the lower the enemy armor is that means that % arp will enhance the lethality effect.
Allways build ldr/serylda kids
how about mortal? just 5% less armor pen and 5 ad than LDR but has anti heal, so you definitely do more damage against healing champs
if the enemy team got a lot of healing and you gpt no one in your team that applies grievous well, then definetly a viable option
Only if they have heavy heal like Soraka, Darius, Vladimir, Briar and those. Then that's like the only time you would need it.
@NepNeppy I'd argue its good if they have just SOME healing, not even heavy. It doesn't take much for that healing reduction to make up for the 5 AD and 5% armor pen. They literally cost the same.
@@Wingsabernot even a 5 ad diff, it's just the 5% pen
Depends on champ like how LDR isn't good for Varus, and also on team. More AOE/multi-targeting adc (ex. MF, Jinx, etc.) = build mortal, more single-targeting adc (Vayne, etc.) = don't build mortal. But most of the times Tanks/Bruisers/Mages/AD Casters etc. should go anti heal and ADCs should build something else. It's just not worth the money
The only times when I don't get LDR on adc are when I need mortal reminder
I wish for an Item Analysis between Blackfire Torch and Liandry's Torment. That would be nice :)
Imo Blackfire Torch works in the same way like Yun Tal does, enhancing a stat you already have.
But I think that even with alot of AP Blackfire Torch deals less burn dmg than Liandry's 2% max HP burn.
blackfire torch definately meant to be bought if you have high ap values. So if you play like amumu or smth, you shouldnt get it, but i can go liandry, or on morde... But with 800Ap karthus, blackfire can be nice, especially if you hit like 3-4 champs and gain 12% more ap.
The reason to go blackfire as a laner is that the build path gives you lost chapter, which is far more valuable early game than Liandry's haunting guise.
@@Welari12 100%. Only Blackfire if you really need the mana for lane control and cant build the other lost chapter items. Other than that Blackfire is imo the worst item ingame. Dont know why everyone is building this crap. Its like Ldr vs Serylda, just look at the stats its more than obvious you have to build Ldr like 95% of the times.
Even against pretty squishy cops I do LDR most of the times. For some reason it felt efficient, though it doesn't look like it at first glance! Thanks for explaining
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Could you analyze Yun Tal? I could never tell if it's actually a good item because the total damage count applies to everything instead of just champions.
This is an actual guide, and a really good one, thanx
What about the grievous wounds item? I feel like it's better in almost every scenario since heals and lifesteal are so common but people barely build it over LDR
At 70 armor 40% penetration gives you 11.59% additional dmg. NOT 20
Straight to the point, great video
Hi LoL Havoc, can you create an ultimate build that fit nasus or all the items that synergize well with his kit, thank you!
I wonder at what armor/lethality levels, is it better/worse than seryldas grudge?
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a video comparing key stones and explaining them would be nice, i main viego and i am not sure if PTA ir Conq is better
Most Viego mains are going Conquer so I would do the same
PTA is generally good for short trades, u proc it, deal dmg and get out or kill. Conquerer is only good if you can stack it, and keep it stacked over a long fight. That means if the enemy team is squishy, meaning short fights and trades, PTA is probably better. If they have beefy tanks or bruisers, you can easily stack Conquerer so it is more valuable in drawn out fights. Hope that helps for general understanding :)
@@just_randomlyu fully stack conq in 2 seconds with viego, its even better for short trades
How about the Riftmaker for the next item analysis?
you should do a video on when it better to go mortal reminder than ldr since they both have armor reduction stats
Can you do one on Malignance being a bait item and is only good on certain champs
do you have video for ldr vs mortal reminder?
If you play wukong, when would you go for LDR over Black Cleaver? I often see high elo players going lethality (assassin) on wukong.
Do a video on terminus please and how much value it still has or has lost on Varus after his recent changes. Thank you.
Percentage pen only works on bonus resists afaik, could be wrong though.
can you make a vid about when to build serylda or ldr?
quick = serylda
otherwise= spam ldr
When to build Steraks, Maw malmortius, and Seraph's embrace, please!
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Id love a first item IE vs Collector analysis. How good does collector have to be to be a better 1st item/ does it fall behind too much at 2nd item already, with IE indirectly scaling better with more crit?
Collector is the better first item because it has lethality so u deal more physical dmg, not just auto. With only 25% crit chance, u arent critting a lot, so the value of crit dmg is kinda low. So IE should be 2nd or 3rd to boost your AA dmg.
Dominik is a must build for every adc and assassin ad
Bro I think mortals reminder is absolutely a better option
Nice vid. Does this apply for assassins too? I mean could be worth if i prefer building this item instead of serylda
But that's if you can utilize its crit instead of cdr from serylda
Serylda recently got buffed. It would be a whole lot better for assasins since you cant use the crit and the ad it gives is pretty low
Rengar player here.Not for all assasins but for Rengar It is way better than Seryldas since the item gives only slow for below 50.
I think I saw a few Qiyana players going LDR instead of Grudge, but that was 1-2 patches ago. Can we have a side by side analysis? Like, compare what item is worth more for assassins?
I’m a qiyana main and i still build lord dominik instead of grudge, its not that i don’t need the slow its just that it is safer economically wise. Some patches ago i used to build infinity edge and collector too because infinity edge amplifies Red-Q crit damages and was so fkn broken.
Do one comparing it do Serylda, I want some insight in that!
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I love building ldr early and i know its very strong, but the item isn't really all that good before you fully complete it which is the main reason i sometimes buy it as a 3rd or 4th item compared to 2nd.
I would like to know when to build Terminus. I find this item terrible and would like to know when it's good
WHAT IS THE SONG FROM?!?
So true, this item IS so op I usually build It second when I see a single Talk in the enemie team, because It might not be completly funcional aganist non tank champions but IS so op It barely makes a diferencie from taking ie
My question is, when should I build LDR and when it is better to get mortal reminder now that these two items are so similar in stats
If enemy team has some way to heal in combat, mortal reminder is viable. Just think like this: 10% armor pen help u deal more dmg than 40% amount they heal? If no, get mortal reminder, if yes, get LDR. Also anti heal is kinda cheap, u can ask any teammates buy 800 gold antiheal thing for u
Botrk and how it does physical damage, meaning if the enemy has high armor, it is weaker
Wait i thought armor pen only work against bonus armor not base, no?
Ur right,
Nice video
Why is Terminus better for the other 2?
one of the trickier parts is that lethality provides flat penetration and percent penetration does not work well with lethality.
If taken in a vacuum, LDR will almost always beat flat penetration when comparing single items. The story will change when taken more holistically.
Assuming 36 lethality with two items, an additional lethality item of 18 brings 70 armor to 16
Assuming 36 lethality with two items, LDR’s 40% penetration brings 70 armor to 20.4
LDRs percent penetration will only get worst with more items, for squishy targets, which is the main focus of assassins. Coupled with the fact that crit is less desirable than flat AD, and other lethality items have better passives, lethality is the optimal choice to stack for assassins against squishies
Can you please do a video on why not to build the collector (or perhaps rather when to actually build it).
It's not a BAD item it just annoys me seeing people build it on champions where it just doesn't do much.
Like for some champions like samira it's nice early game because your opponents don't have much armor so you can snowball faster while still giving you crit, but if you don't need crit/don't basic attack a lot why not just get a lethality item with better stats lol
(I get it though. The execute is very satisfying even if it doesn't do much. I love building heartsteel because it's very satisfying even if it probably not actually very good)
mention the ldr interaction with lethality => when ldr is better than serylda for assassins
That’s what I’m saying, it’s significant to note the % shred applies before the lethality
Holly shit finaly someone made a video about how broken % pen is
Anyone know the song
you could compare lord dom to collector against average armor and hp on squishies at lvl as well and show when is 100% better (unless you hitting already low hp target wich the 5% would surpass)
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Btw kasante deals dmg from hp and armor percentage building black cleaver lowering his armor therfore lowering his damage
send this to hans sama
Finaly someone else realized LDR is broken ive been buying it 2nd item almost everygame after the changes it got this split
phantom dancer?
I wish i could build terminus and black cleaver together. They don't share a passive like lifeline but they are mutually exclusive
BC, Terminus and Jaksho in that order would make Jax and Volibear hella OP
@@MrDonJuanquis true
I only buy seryldas if they dont have much dashes and blinks (more movement speed dependent champs) AND only 1 or 0 tanks AND im playing a lethality build, or ezreal. Used to buy it way more until I realised LDR damage.
%pen items should be tailored to punish building bonus health and armor and should not be strong against squishy at all. 40% armor pen against someone with 50 armor is still 20 armor shred. Thats way more than any lethality item. Maybe they can change it to %bonus armor pen like in some past seasons, but we can have 60-70% bonus armor pen instead of 45%, and also give LDR its giant slayer passive back
Talk about Shojin and BOTRK please
accurate, to the point, you have nothing to do better! good job man
it works really well on yone
ive been saying this, ldr 2nd always feels great
ldr works when enemy has armor, the counter to ldr is more armor, reducing 1000 armor malphite to 600 is still 600 armor the dmage mitigated is around 7%
Lol no. With 5000 hp and 1000 armor you would have 5000*(1+1000/100)=55000 effective health, with 600 armor - 35000. And 55k is 57% more than 35k. And somebody in your team could also have black cleaver, and many champions also have built-in 20-30% armor pen, etc etc...
Ldr 2nd often outperforms aswell👍
btw how does terminus works?
It's like lord Dominicks but offers attack speed and less armor pen. 1 shot is ammor pen/magic own the next shot is magic resist and armor. Good 3rd item for kai'sa and vayne
haunting guise and fated ashes?
70 base armor when squeeshie : lol
Horizon focus and damage amplifition next please
Wrong. Ever since they took out the giant slayer passive, mortal reminder is more value for the gold. You get the percent armor pen and healing reduction--all champs have heal mid to late game from runes and items.
okay now start cooking an opinion about overlords+hp items on briar
If enemy have Aatrox, Vladimir or some champion like these two that has insane healing, build Mortal Reminder. It’s only 5% armor pen diff compared to LDominik and you get GW effect.
Bro %5 can effect but not a big problem I’m always buying it in ant healing champ
Please make a Heartsteel video!
As a math guy my self, I have been saying this for a while, the item has been broken for years.
Even back then, if a target had 300 hp more than you, it basically always dealt more damage than Collector, which as an ADC was basically everyone.
Samira was at 300 hp an 100 armor, but even more her collector was a rarity to ever be good. (Remember Samira has high AD scalings. Most other ADCs stopped just like now at 70 armor.)
a friend has been preaching about this being better than collector even as first purchase
Mortal Reminder is better since the giant slayer passive was removed.
Soemthing I heard Doublelift say is that part of the weakness of lord Doms is that the Build path sucks.
Void Staff and Cryptbloom vs Shafowflame
i know you don't do videos in this style but you seem really knowledgeable so i wanted to ask if you would make a video to get the most optimal build for veigar/vladimir (i know its game by game and can'#t be right 100% but a core build)
I use veigar a good amount I like Ludens as it scales with ap then archangels for more spamming and giving you a free Sheild for a person gettitng on top of you then I would say rabadons cap for just more fat ap then if the team has assassins and thins with good lockdown then add a crown or locket despite being support items they can be good though if they have other types of champs or the assassins are underfed or are going for another target void staff works (or as a sell boots item) or go cryptbloom for fat healing and finally if heavy ap or ad team going a tank item can work as you have enough ap with passive and rabadons
Tl:dr core is ludens companion then archangels/ seraphs then rabadons death cap and then going a combination of crown,locket,void staff, crypt bloom and a tank item depending on situation
Typically Veigar wants items with AP scalings built into it, such as Luden's or Stormsurge, due to the nature of his champion. Right now, a really good build pattern is Luden's, Stormsurge (if behind, go Rab instead), Rabbadon (get stormsurge instead if didn't 2nd item). Then, for your final item, if you're getting one shot or caught a lot, go for defensives, otherwise go cryptbloom into any ap item of your choice that isn't one of the burn ones.
Very op indeed That is why i build first item enemy be like wtf, normals though
I have no idea why people don't buy this item more often. It gives the same amount of pen as a collector against a target with 30 armour which is like every champ by level 3 or 4, so at higher levels it's busted. Not to mention its synergy with lethality.
ldr is criminally underused i even buy it sometimes as a 3rd item on aatrox
Great video! I don't understand why no one watches this channel? This guy teaches everyone for free with facts such as optimalizing your items and no bullshit coaching. Interesting and useful tips as always, but why is the video vertical? It's kinda annoying and you would have much more space. I'm not trying to trashtalk, just asking.
Thanks you and don't worry, the views are growing pretty quick 😁.
I'm originally from Tiktok, I've already tried changing the format to horizontal specifically for RUclips, but it adds a lot of work and it would be impossible to keep up with the pace I'm currently in (1 video a day).
@@lolhavoc Tiktok? Those kids can watch your videos without Subway surfer gameplay? Jokes aside, it always feels good when I find someone who doesn't make garbage on tiktok.
I build it for its superior armor % pen.
Nothing else matters.
he should work with LS
Hextech gunblade
Talk about the new shurelya
Could’ve compared it to Serylda’s
Yet adcs won’t build any anti tank item…I have to tell them to build LDR or an equivalent and they won’t listen necessarily
Lord Dominik Mysterio
When I played full Lethality Xayah, I built this item
Mortals reminder?
Do void staff
What if im yone?
gives crit and can help with killing people based on what was said in the video
greaves bork to get q cap, then ie and ldr/mortal 3rd dont listen to people that tell you not to build armor pen on yone/yasuo
best third item in the Game
On graves its definetely the most broken item in the game by far and not even close. The powerspike is crazy. If you had one base with 3000 gold in bag. You buy this item come back hit a champ you literally deal double the damage. Not only 20% its double.
I think mortal reminder is a better option
think hubris would be interesting
I build it even on Aatrox
me getting flamed when I build ldr vs 0 tanks
Ofc it will be more troubling, but while explaining you could provide us with real in-game footage, with dummies for example, showing the difference of damage, stats, etc