Massive props to ersatz_cats for the incredible, comprehensive research he's done on this story. Check out his site, www.perfectpacman.com for more like this!
@lonemichi5289 yeah I made sure to reach out to @ersatz_cats long before I released the video, and we discussed a ton of stuff, including attribution and how that can be, let's just say, complicated, when dealing with the looming potential of legal threats. 😅
This is a point of contention when people watch the King of Kong documentary. Even with the production team and people behind the filming not liking Mitchell at all and editing it so it would portray him in a bad light, when you look at how Billy acts outside of that, you question if they even had to do anything to accomplish that.
If you ever feel like you wasted your life, just remember, Billy Mitchel has spent at least 20 years of his trying to lie about a high score in donkey kong.
@@intercoursehandguns851 Being remembered for pathologically lying isnt a good thing... Your next generation will be embarrassed of you and it could affect their life. You have the same mindset of Billy Mitchell... which could be beneficial if you spent the same amount of time practicing as he did lying.
@@intercoursehandguns851I don't see the problem? How many anonymous heroes go to bed not even knowing that they make the world a better place? I'd rather have that all my life.
@@chuckruffing6283 Do your research before replying, he is worth 1million, my parents are worth double that and we are middle class. You share common mindset of psychopaths if you think lying will get you where you want. Billy is losing all his reputation right now and its funny to watch. It all goes down-hill from here for once your lie is revealed.
At my - at the time - small local gliding club, I was the first to crack 20,000 feet and 580km cross country (on the same day, thanks to favourable wave lift). I landed to a very warm welcome from my friends who took pictures of me and bought my drinks that evening. That was on Saturday. The next day, a 19 year old lad made even better use of the wave lift and broke my "record" by over 2,000 feet and 40km. I already knew he'd knocked me off the "top spot" from our radio operator, but when he landed, he told his friends - the younger members - not to brag or even tell me about his win. I gave him a hug, congratulated him and bought his drinks that evening. There will always be someone better at something we do. It's how they - and we - behave when that happens that really speaks to who we are. Billy has a lot of growing up to do...and for someone his age, that's deeply concerning. Of all things to sue people over...a fucking computer game score? Really? He clearly doesn't have good people in his life because if he did, they would tell him to "get a grip" and stop behaving like a petulant child.
Sadly, your comment only proves is that you aren't a pathologically mendacious malignant narcissist like Billy Mitchell. ...wait, not 'sadly'. What's the other one? Congratulations. That's the one! Congrats, you're nothing like Billy Mitchell! You could almost feel bad for the guy if he wasn't such an ass; lying is the only way he can make a living, and he doesn't even have the excuse of being the pastor of a church.
I'll also comment on Carlos Piniero. I believe he had the best of intentions when he stepped into the mess. We "bumped heads" a little at the beginning... we were on opposite sides of the coin at that time... but props to Carlos. He did the work. He tried to replicate what Billy had done. He finally came to the conclusion everyone else had. And admitted it. Publicly. And Team Billy turned on him. Carlos has integrity. He stood his ground, he didn't cave in. He went where the evidence led him, and stuck to it. Proud to call him a trusted friend now, all these years later. He's a good guy.
That’s the best type of guy - having an initial opinion and then changing it when new evidence is brought to the table is SO rare nowadays. People are usually just like “um actually you’re wrong” no matter how many facts there are 💀 props to him!
He looks like he would be running a shady DoJo in a strip mall where new members have to sign a waiver acknowledging they're bodies will legally be considered deadly weapons in the eyes of the law... 😮
Billy here. Once I find my pocket square, so I can go to the store and replenish my beard and -shoe- hair polish, I'm going directly to my lawyers to sue you.
Imagine if Billy Mitchell congratulated Steve, celebrated him as a man who beat his high score, and then used that as an event to promote his arcade and hot sauce. "I may not be the King of Kong anymore, but I'm the king of hot sauce!"
You should work as a pr representative 😂 that would of been a perfect response! No king rules forever. But if that happened we wouldn't of got that amazing documentary
The King of 'Cade. Yeah, that would've been the smart move. Then host his own tournaments and hosting the new King of Kong. Sounds like a much cooler alternative reality
Billy’s lawyer losing his mind at the end of the video was pure entertainment gold. That’s a lawyer who 100% knows Billy is lying and is doing everything in his power to mitigate the damages that’s coming to him and Billy. He made his bed. Now he has to sleep in it.
If it was anyone but Billy I'd feel bad for him at that part. Any time he says literally anything except yes or no his lawyer is berating him lol. I get that he wants to get it done faster but like is it really that big of a problem if his answer is like five words long instead just one?
@@jacob9538 the lawyer saying to shut up so it gets done faster is his tactful "on camera" way of telling Billy to shut up before he says something that can incriminate himself. Honestly, the will power for his lawyer to resist strangling him is more impressive than anything. I also wanted to mention that I've seen a lot of stuff regarding this topic, so I was debating watching 4 more hours wondering what new information I would get, but most of it was new stuff, actually. Not only that, but the end was so entertaining and funny that it was worth the 4 hours leading up to it.
@@jacob9538 because billy is a pathological liar, and keeps presenting statements and information not asked by the lawyers. That's how he ended up perjuring himself multiple times.
All hail Steve Weibe the official holder of the first title of King of Kong. May this sad sack of narcisism and ego be content with his title as King of Dong.
@@Healthy_Toki I mean, that’s kind of why he said holder of the “first” title of King of Kong. He sure is more deserving of that title than billy mitchell.
Billy calling Carlos dishonest is such a scumbag move. That's like pretending to love a woman until she stops paying for your drugs, then leaving her in the middle of the night and telling everyone she was unfaithful.
@@OverlordMoses Yeah, I had to account for Carlos putting his reputation on the line as the partner of a heavy drug user might. I had to account for Carlos refusing to lie for Billy once he learned the truth, which was represented by the partner ceasing to enable her significant other's addiction. I represented Billy pretending Carlos was a random fanboy who never worked to help Billy with the partner being kicked out of the house even though she did nothing wrong. Finally, I used the false allegation of infidelity to symbolize Billy saying Carlos was dishonest during his deposition. It was the only believable example I could think of that included every aspect of the betrayal. I guess I could have done something about an employee and their boss, but it would have been just as specific in order to account for every aspect of the situation.
I mean...it's not difficult. Triforce left a big-rig sized hole for literally anyone to completely shatter his 'proof'. Listening to him talk about how an emulator works physically hurt...and then he goes and claims no experts have come forward......Dude....listen to what you just said....no expert *has* to come forward.....
"so that pac-man performance wasn't a perfect score?" "(truncated) no" "did you tell the crowd it was a perfect score?" "i told the camera that it was." "ok, was that untrue?" "was what untrue?" _fuck_ dude
Just want everyone to know that Billy’s portrait, displayed worshipfully at the entrance of Funspot, I’m thinking for decades, has been quietly taken down . Funspot is the New Hampshire arcade where much of King of Kong was filmed. Funspot had honored him forever as player of the century, or world record holder, or whatever. No more. In fact, I saw no evidence of Billy Mitchell’s existence anywhere at Funspot.
The fact he sat there under oath and lied about carlos... And then told the truth about carlos at the end makes no since to me. Why fabricate evidence if you snitch on your self? What a dummy
It reminds me of other noteworthy figures in life but this is such a wholesome comment section I'll keep my Pandora's-box thoughts to myself 🤗 good for Carlos for having integrity.
People under the age of like 30 will never understand the existence of these types of people 😂. I miss the pre internet world where mysteries still existed.
@@DonMega888 That's exactly what i was thinking. there was a time where ti was borderline impossible to fact check people to this degree. Billy is a relic of that time. He's like if a belt holster for a cell phone was a man.
i find it pretty ironic and tragicomic that Steve Wiebe, who was really acting very sportsmanlike, going out of his way to be part of a greater Donkey Kong community, and kept feeling sad about losing to Billy, had actually always been the true Donkey Kong champion deserving the title
"Edit that out because I don't swear" just sums up Billy perfectly. I can't believe he actually did that on video. Dude has negative levels of self awareness.
Reminds me of the 2nd season of HBOs “last chance U”. The coach literally made fun of a concussed player for not playing (among dozens of other things) but he believed he looked bad for swearing too much.
@@Jabadamazo hey man why do i recognize the specific name "Jabadamazo" is it from anywhere? i feel like it was in a really stupid youtube video that i watched several years ago
The ending is hilarious. Billy's complete and utter inability to *_JUST ANSWER THE SPECIFIC QUESTION POSED, IN A SHORT "YES" OR "NO" MANNER_* , - without comment or speculation - despite being told to do so repeatedly is stunning.
To be fair, I don't think I'd be able to do that either 😅 ...at least, not if I was truly convinced I was telling the truth. If I was actively lying, then I'd probably be better at giving pointed answers then shutting up 😬
@@HalcyonSerenadeThis is a lawyers worst nightmare. 😂 Clients who won’t listen and won’t shut up. They give up so much information to the other side and screw their own case in the process. This is clearly a guy who thinks he knows better than everyone else (which is why he represented himself for so long).
the more you lie the more you have to cover up the lies that has beenexposed, and Billy has lied for years so he should run for president, hes got all the credentials!
As a software engineer who worked a lot with video compression, cameras, understanding how rolling shutters, sensors and all of this stuff works I can sign under whole explanation Veritas gave. Incredible work have been done here to explain it visually and easy. Thank you. This videos deserve much more than a single like.
shout out to carlos; it takes a lot of guts to accept that you got scammed and tell people about it. a lot. that was humiliating and i'm proud of carlos for saying, 'wait, tf?' and questioning his assumptions. you did it right my guy.
I just want to take an aside to thank Carlos, not just for the work he did which is great, but when presented with evidence that the people who hired him were lying, he actually listened and changed his perspectives. He didn't just go into ego defense mode like so many others do. That is the sign of a mature person.
And he admitted it as his own failure too, not _just_ him being a victim of the lies. I mean, he _was_ indeed a victim of the con, but he's also owning up to that he was taking the honesty for granted rather than fact-checking sooner than he did. It says a lot about a person's character when they not only admit to being wrong, but also admit that they _could've_ done something different to correct their mistake sooner. That's a lot to admit to, and he's a champ for doing so on such a hot topic (at least, a hot topic in this relatively niche corner of the internet).
Well, if YOU could retire in your 30s like Brian Kuh and spend the rest of your life playing classic arcade games looking for kill screens, wouldn't you?!
Well Jobst promised he will take his case to court at all cost, so yeah this is not over, since the basis for that lawsuit still is: did he cheat or not
Even he’d admitted the Pac-Man score wasn’t perfect at the time, to the camera and the crowd, like “sorry, didn’t quite get it this time, but I was only 5000 short, maybe next time”… It still would’ve been a damned impressive score.
This all happened because Billy Mitchell was Twin Galaxie's puppet master and they let him manipulate scores and rules at will. Anyone, except Billy Mitchell, had to go through a lot of scrutiny and very extreme rules to present evidence of a Donkey Kong score, but Billy Mitchell just needed to send a tape of game play without him showing his face and it was accepted immediately. It was pathetic.
@@kenon6968 more reason to follow the rules and lead by example, instead he added a layer of conflict of interest and manipulated poor Walter Day to do whatever he pleased.
@@kenon6968 I think the more correct term would be "main funder" rather than co-owner. the irony is of course that the investment would've had more return if he wasn't such a dick
To bad he didn't mention how Walter Day is in a cult and how he was forced to keep up the Twin Galaxy and Mitchell hype. There's some good documentaries that delve into this.
I LOVE his argument about the room camera vs filming directly for a "movie". I can speak on this directly. I have a movie too. At no point did we ever use a direct feed to capture "better video" for the movie. We used many cameras, and even cell phone footage... and it was high enough quality. And then his argument about not having "original footage" and putting the onus on TG themselves... I have MY ORIGINAL record footage. All of it. That's on Billy man. There's zero record for the player to NOT have the original record submission footage.
@@jemlesvideoI don't think it's been uploaded yet and may never be fully available...but typically the lawyers doing the deposition have full rights to do what they want with the recording so Twin Galaxies owns the video deposition and they have shared it with others like Karl Jobst...
You'd think that a guy that was so enthusiastic about ringing others through the legal system would know rule number one, let the lawyer do the talking and if you have to speak say as little as possible
You know what's really the worst part about this for Billy? Despite the dishonesty, he is actually sick at DK But he will never get even that recognition now
Like others have mentioned, that's what makes the Barry Bonds analogy so solid. Bonds was going to be an all-time great no matter what, but he had to be temporarily at the top of the mountain no matter the cost to his reputation.
Many of the most notorious cheaters in speedrunning are people that are legitimately good at the game they play, but also extremely proud individuals that want to stay at the top no matter what.
I saw the King of Kong doc and really found it strange that the challenger was literally playing the game throughout the whole thing, while Billy is never even seen next to a machine, much less playing it. And when the mysterious video comes in to the arcade it is treated as the Ten Commandments by the one Billy-sycophant.
The story of Billy Mitchell is of a guy, a gamer, who was really good, got recognized for being really good (sometimes recognized for being the best) and then decided he wanted to remain the best for the rest of his life no matter what. He’s also like a borderline sociopath
it's hard to even think about billy with a straight face without turning red in anger when you think about how he laughed and made fun of apollo legend "doing the deed" (you know what i mean... thanks youtube). it's also fairly obvious that billy mitchell is a good chunk of the reason why it happened in the first place, even if billy threatened apollo's family into saying otherwise. dude is one of the most evil people that has ever existed, and it's great that he's finally been exposed for being such a disgusting degenerate loser
Incredibly petty, considering what is at stake: It's a stupid Arcade high score!!! Others lose a years salary and walk away as if nothing happened.....
his lawyer is a lieing pos and should be disbarred but thats par for the course in teh courts... more often they promoted to judges rather then punished for lieing to the court
I really think Billy is some combination of delusional and a pathological liar. There's something wrong with someone his age who would act like that in a court setting.
Imagine getting a new world record in Donkey Kong (or any older game), only for a conman to send a tape moments later, claiming to have achieved a higher score - immediately cutting off your earned victory.
Imagine being that bothered about having a record score in a video game. Sat on your arse all day playing a video game has no positive benefit for anyone
@@IanMurray-ce4gc - Imagine thinking a video game record is not a worthy achievement. Would you say the same about some sports achievement? There is no difference. It's not less difficult or less impressive, because it's a video game. You clearly don't even know what any of this is about. If you really think he shouldn't care, then the people putting so much work into proving he cheated, shouldn't care either. He made a living out of his achievements and was then found to have cheated. Of course it's a big deal to him.
@@IanMurray-ce4gc Imagine being that bothered by a video game documentary that you willingly watched. Writing a stupid ass comment has no positive benefit for anyone
@@Apophis1010If you've ever watched The Regular Show, there's a [seemingly] one-off villain called Garrett Bobby Ferguson, or just GBF, for short; He appears as a floating disembodied head who is the "Universal Champion of [some video game in the show]", and when his high score is threatened he appears before the main characters and challenges them to a match of the arcade game, using trickery, underhanded tactics, disingenuous crying and blubbering about how his wife left him, the high score is the only thing that matters in his life anymore, etc. He has been compared to Billy Mitchell - even by Billy himself, who sued Cartoon Network shortly after the episode aired for using his likeness. The judge dismissed the case before it went to trial, stating, "Plaintiff's claims of use of his likeness are untrue, because Billy Mitchell is a Human being while the character is a disembodied, floating, bearded head."
"was your pacman performance a perfect score" "no" "did you say it was a perfect score" "no" "did you lie then" "no" its like arguing with a toddler lol
Apollo didn't get the ball rolling, he just repeated the findings that others made to cash in on the whole thing and then got caught up in the mess. Don't get me wrong, it's unfortunate what happened to him but he in no way was crucial to taking down Billy. If anything, he only encouraged Billy to keep suing since Apollo settled the lawsuit against himself and had to pay Billy a lot of money which in turn made Billy think he can make anyone shut up and give him money, so long as he hit them with a lawsuit.
@@zacca6000 He got the ball rolling as far as youtube interest goes. He didn't just repeat what other videos said. He scoured the internet for all the data he could find to put it into his comprehensive video, which inevitably caught the attention of Billy Mitchell.
@@dlancer2kEZScape had a video on Apollo and his methods. He makes it clear Apollo used his and others work and garnered himself attention for it and acted like he did everyone a favor, when he didn't. If Apollo was actually careful with the information he had, he wouldn't of had to deal with Billy at all but he wanted to jump in on a subject that was still hot and paid the price for it. The video is called "The Downfall of Apollo Legend feat Billy Mitchell, Todd Rogers & DarkViperAU [RE-UPLOAD]" and the video is reuploaded on a different channel due to not being on EZScape's channel anymore but it goes through a lot about Apollo and how the speedrunning community really did not like him and it's around the 36 minute mark that EZScape goes over his personal issues with Apollo and how he would jump into a situation without knowing the full details or even repeating mistaken details that could of been corrected but he wanted the drama content. As for Billy, the information was going to come out about him no matter what, Apollo just happened to make a video at the right time and had enough information from other peoples content to make it sound like he knew what he was doing until he made assumptions with that information and had no backing to those assumptions, thus causing Billy to sue him.
@TheDragonDAFan that's the thing man; he really doesn't need to do any of this nonsense for the income. He's got money from his restaurants and real estate, this is about nothing but his own ego.
@@LLFoolJ I feel like the issue is that he has what he has based on consistently lying about his achievements or allegedly cheating to get those achievements. Without the deception, he doesn't have what he has now.
Yes, it’s like watching a caricature of a classic grandiose narcissist. He can’t face the truth or his world will shatter along with his mind. That’s why his hair is so big, it’s full of secrets 🤫 While hilarious it is equally sad to be honest. 😬
Imagine someone telling a convention they're going to bowl a 300 game. They get 11 strikes in a row, then on the 12th ball, they leave a 7-10 split. Imagine the audacity that person would have to have to turn around and scream "PERFECT GAME!" then soak in the cheers. NOW FURTHER IMAGINE that people who witnessed that double down on the fact they saw a perfect bowling game in the face of all the evidence that they saw a 298 game.
I initially hated the Broken Token guys (and still do, a bit) for just refusing to look at the evidence while defending Billy, claiming that they weren't, and calling David Race militant, but on some level I do feel bad for them. In their email response to Veritas, they were clearly scared to discuss it further because of how litigious Billy is, and it just wasn't worth it to them to get embroiled in that. It's insane how the guy has used the legal system to bully people into silence. Even if nothing else was true, that would be enough for me to hate Billy.
Karl Jobst and any other Billy Mitchell Lawsuiters can just present this video as evidence for their cases and all of Billy’s bullshit would be over. This is one of the most professional and well put together videos on this Billy Mitchell cheating topic that I’ve ever seen. After seeing the original MAIM footage years ago, I was about 80% sure Billy was a cheat. This video slams the door on any chance that Billy Mitchell is innocent in my mind. Not only is this video professionally researched but genuinely entertaining as well. 4 hours flew by.
The transition of Billy repeatedly swiping the screen to the right is gold. Haven't finished the video yet, but it's been worth the wait & managed to get me interested in a story I've never been invested in. Well done
Karl already had everything that was shown in this video. He's been sitting on a lot of evidence for years that hasn't been made public because of the ongoing legal issues.
I hope I don't get sued for saying this but dear god Billy needs to learn to not breathe into a microphone and drink some water. The mouth noises during his expo appearance were outrageous.
I can't watch any of this without feeling like my 9-yr-old self desperately lying to explain why my homework wasn't done, then having to lie again and again as each of the previous lies unraveled. I would say anything to get out of the situation. But, in my defense, I WAS NINE YEARS OLD. At some point, you have to become an adult and realize that the mental exhaustion just isn't worth it. If you don't, then your whole life becomes the lie. Why? To prop up a fake achievement in a video game?
The idea that Billy could ever have the GWR for the Donkey Kong highest score is simply silly. We all know Tommy Tallarico is the one who holds that honor. He's done everything!
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one to whom RUclips recommended this video after a binge watch of all of Hbomberguys videos. Tommy Tallaricos mother must be very proud of him indeed.
Pro-tip: If someone claims they are 'the best in the world' the chance they're an honest person is small enough to be a statistical anomaly and if they claim they 'never lose' that chance drops to an absolute zero.
Props to Carlos for owning up to having been scammed and strung along like that, it's really difficult and humbling to admit you've been tricked, but it's also a sign of maturity and humility the likes of which Bully Mitchell (no typo) will never truly understand
How do I always end up spending so much time watching documentaries about things I don't really care about? This is amazingly well produced and I really appreciate the effort.
Funny. I was just watching the video where Wiebe gets the WR, and Walter is on the phone asking BM if he's officially submitting his score. They're both trash.
I'm starting to get afraid that I'll have to make the scathing video about all the shady things he's done myself, but I don't know if I have the strength for such a task.
I couldn't stand that Billy-loving, sycophantic bastard ever since seeing him in King of Kong. God, what a vacuous, gaping asshole. Mostly because of how they shat all over Steve Wiebe, the most innocent, wholesome, standup guy in this whole thing.
Walter Day always looked so harmless and innocent in all docs I watched about Billy and Twin Galaxies. He struck me as a trusting and gullible fellow. But maybe he is not.
Karl recommended your video, and I loved every moment of it! Even after watching all of his vids on BM, multiple times, there are many new details here I never knew about, such as Carlos, and I enjoyed how you fleshed out many parts as well. I'll be watching it again soon I feel. The final segment is hilarious. It's surreal that such a thing like this whole situation is even happening. I almost forgot it was real, they all behaved like characters in a soap opera, like everyone is on this insane joke. I know it isn't the case, but it's almost easier to believe than that it's real. Thank you for all of your work putting this massive beast of a video together!
I don’t even care about retro games. I watch speed running documentaries with the same fascination that I watch body builders. These people achieved something very difficult but to me completely meaningless. Im so impressed with the technical know how and diligence it takes to make a video such as this. I hope this will get more views. The intro was also genuinely funny and well done.
Did I miss something, wasnt this late at night too? I know its Florida, but where do you buy tarantulas at midnight?
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Yeah that was so out of left field, we have to let that sink in. I don't claim to be a Todd Todgers.. Rogers expert, but who brings animals to the arcade let alone spiders. All bets are off at this point. Why didn't he bring in a monkey named Kong, because that would actually make sense... 😆
Billy Mitchell seems like the kind of guy who would always "win" any imagination-based game as a kid with his friends. "Nuh uh, your powers don't work on me because I have a super impenetrable force field! I'm the strongest!"
Then he sues you for using a lesser power on his ultimate shield. while there is a video of some machine making his ultimate shield. showing it wasn't his shield all along.
Mad respect to Veritas for not only taking ownership for being wrong, but working his hardest to set the record straight. You're a true legend. Thanks for inspiring us all to keep growing.
What cracks me up about this guy is what an absolute black hole of charisma he actually is, and how I can't decide if he's entirely aware of it or completely oblivious, due to the way he dresses in such a distinct manner.
Billy Mitchell has been endlessly stacking lie on top of lie on top of lie for years and years, not to mention suing everyone who rightfully calls him out for being a cheating scoundrel and blatant liar... So although the stakes are incredibly low and the "reputation" he's trying to defend is totally forgettable and unimpressive, it needed to be done.
When I watched King of Kong, I thought that was the best documentary Ive seen by then, about "nothing", its an artform itself to make something so of no or close to zero value feel so extremely important. Then I happened to see the Karl 's video yesterday and I was stunned obviously at the thumbnail and I thought this has to be wrong, is this a clickbait (just watching the tumbnail only), but I just had to click it. Then he redirected me here, and also said in the video himself its: 4hrs long, and I was like "nah, not a chance in hell". And here I am 4hrs later, feeling JUST AS satisfied as when I watched King of Kong. What an amazing job, you should investigate much bigger stuff than "nothing", say politicians, big scammers, true cheats in the Olympics and sports on the big stage, far away from "nothing". Big applause to you on everything, from the buildup, to the ending, how you tell this story, how you do your own field and empirical research on it, to the editing, just the video is amazing itself if you applied this to any subject, to the fucking crafting of this whole thing to make 4hrs feel like, again: "nothing" at all, its just incredible. Im amazed like most youtube or internet nerds like myself that likes nerdy stuff, that alot of stuff up here is way better done, by dedicated people like you that put so much passion into it, than million dollars budget documentaries by the big wolfs. Best 4hrs spent on the internet for a long long time 👍.
"His talents are in his hands, he pitched, he was a basketball" I was like did I hear that right? I went back a few secs to listen again and my eyes are now crossed..
The whole Billy Mitchell saga is an amazing look into a narcissist's mind. No normal person would dedicate so much of their life trying to perpetuate such a pointless and obvious lie. Academic studies should be done on this guy's behavior.
How is it pointless? Would you say the same about some sports achievement, where the person has been caught lying/cheating later? This is no different. He's been living off his video game achievements. Nothing wrong with that, if it wasn't a lie.
@@peterwhitey4992 It's mainly pointless because no one (sane) is buying it anymore but keeps doubling down and making it worse for himself. I guess if he wanted to be forever known as the weird old guy who won't admit he cheated then he succeeded.
@@peterwhitey4992 it is kinda pointless when a different route would have made more money, also considering that the records aren't his source of wealth rather propping them up as something that even matter in the first place is what he spent wealth on.
Electronics tech working in the cinema field here, who does a lot of work with monitors and camera sensors etc. Just want to say that your explanation of rolling shutter interacting with CRT scanlines while also being out of sync with the monitor [@~ 44:20] is super well done. Probably the first person I've seen who isn't deep in that world who has been able to not only explain it clearly but visually demonstrate it. Love your work!
Not even on-screen credit while they play audio of one of Karl’s vids talking about how Namco never said Billy was named the most mega supreme gamer in the universe.
If Billy somehow big brains this and sues you for this video... he should at least know that the defense will absolutely play this video in its entirety for the jury.
@@shawnd567 I think we've established at this point that Billy is an idiot, so him making stupid decisions is just par for the course. And also he's evil. Like when he celebrated after Apollo Legend killed himself (largely as a result of Billy suing him).
I kinda want him to do it so he can lose again, but I also don't want anyone to have to deal with Silly Bitchell's frivolous lawsuits. But if he does, I hope this guy do a fundraising cause people will absolutely come to his aid.
The only thing this amazing documentary is missing is a mention that there is a yearly donkey kong competition, and billy only entered once, and made last place, never to enter a live arcade tournament with actual competition before or since.
he won that one in Australia, which qualifies him to be the all-time southern hemisphere donkey Kong champion and if you don't like it take it up with Shigeru Miyamoto
Why, in the name of everything holy, cant I get this level of detailed analysis from traditional media on literally ANY of the issues of the day?? Seriously Veritas - well done. Best RUclips video i've seen in foreeeeever.
@@urbanmidnight1 I don't know if it's possible to make an easy explanation of how that sort of thing works. My degree is in math so I can get an overly simplified idea of what's going on and that segment did well enough for me, but I'm by no means an expert on things like vram so I couldn't hope to do a better job illustrating it myself and don't know if it is possible or not (it might be).
I think it should have been mentioned that Mitchell tried to sue Cartoon Network over an episode of "The Regular Show" where a character GBF clearly poking fun at Mitchell. He lost the lawsuit.
I don't care at all about video games, and I think that the whole thing is a little silly, but the lengths this guy will go to keep the lie going is incredible. When I come across these types of people, they're usually committing horrible crimes, but this guy is all in on video games. It's incredible. Great video.
I understand nothing about electronics but that "arcade fingerprint" section was super interesting, that's basically irrefutable evidence about the legitimacy of Billy.
Im honestly not interested in Billy Mitchell. Never heard of the guy nefore this, but I absolutely support content creators who do not get intimidated by the exploitable legal system. Independent journalism like this is how the truth stays relevant in a corrupt system. Thank you for doing, what you believe in, Veritas.
for the record. I really appreciated the hand wave transition that you used, the fact that it looped and moved the image every time made me laugh so hard.
I really appreciate the amount of effort you put into this video. The amount of people who cover this story and just say "this one frame proves billy cheated" without covering what that frame means, how it was produced, why that differs from genuine arcade hardware, and how it being played on mame invalidates his record is, while reasonable, responsible for this story becoming very oversimplified. This was simultaneously very rigorous proof, but also genuinely educational. I also appreciate that you clarified Mameplay™is not necessarily dishonest or proof of cheating, as long as it is presented upfront with the required files it is a completely honest field of competition. Mame is the main way most people these days are gonna have access to arcade Donkey Kong, and while inaccuracies pop up, mame is, almost to a fault, completely devoted to the pursuit of accuracy over playability. Mame devs will straight up refuse hacky or high level emulation solutions to performance issues simply to preserve accuracy. This is rare in the emulation space, where most emulators would prioritize performance and playability, and focus on accuracy issues only once they present an obstacle to this playability. Great stuff. Replicating other people's findings is something more people should do when covering stories like this.
Yes. This video breaks down almost every piece of the puzzle. The statements Billy has made have been dissected and analyzed to point out the areas of manipulation piece by piece. Really really great video.
Yeah, and just the fact that Mitchell lies about using it is bizarre. Hell, everything about him is bizarre and off-putting. I like video games, but I can't imagine trying fabricate a mythology around my own achievements. I was the first in my group of friends to beat Bowser in Super Mario World, WORSHIP ME, PLEBES!
With everything that's going on with the world not just with Billy... in this era of con artists... this investigative reporting deserves some kind of award...
Youd think if billy was even half the legend he claims to be, he would be happy to play anywhere anytime to show his skills and potentially set a new record just to put all these allegations and lawsuits to rest... but i guess we know why that doesnt happen
Even IF he managed to achieve a record legitimately today, it would in no way nullify the fraud he committed in the past. It’s still proven beyond a doubt that his “records” were not set on genuine arcade hardware, and that’s all that matters for the lawsuits. If you steal a candy bar today, and then buy one tomorrow, you still stole that first candy bar. Did you even watch the video? There’s an entire segment dedicated to explaining that fact.
@@buriedpet Pretty sure they don't mean to imply that Billy's fraud would be erased, just that if he was willing to participate in more public world record showcases there wouldn't have been as much suspicion. Part of the reason there was such an in-depth investigation was that Billy was pretty much only willing to show off his talent on his terms only. He could have easily gotten away with the lie (*sigh* _alleged_ lie, for any lawyers reading) if he was able to produce any amount of unbiased evidence.
@buriedpet they weren't implying his fraud would disappear if he hit a new record. They were saying if he was that good he would've played anywhere for anyone to prove it and possibly get a new record but Billy doesn't play unless it's under incredibly controlled scenarios.
Any time anyone tells me that humans are inherently selfish I am going to show them this. It is WAY more human to go through HOURS of boring fact-checking and frame-by-frame analysis to expose someone who is a selfish cheater (even if you have literally zero stakes in exposing them) for the better of our society as a whole than it is to actually be selfish.
The credit sequence is absolutely fantastic! Billy constantly going against his lawyer's request is painful yet endeering to watch. Golden video, good sir, the best Billy Mitchell video I've seen so far.
@@mattprater8828 tommy tallarico said that he made the roblox oof sound, worked on hundreds of video games, was on mtv cribs, and had 7 guinness world records. none of this is true
That ending where he's constantly being reminded to only answer the question, is so so telling. He can't just answer the question, because he's lying, and he needs to twist everything to fit his narrative. If you're telling the truth, you can answer those questions easy.
Okay... Not in the slightest saying Billy is not lying... "If you're telling the truth, you can answer those questions easy." This is a STRAIGHT UP untruth... People who aren't lying can have massive problems answering questions, because you are also doing this in a legal framework, and you have to consider HOW you answer the question. This is one of those "It sounds good", but only on the surface, until you realize that innocent people can be extremely stressed, afraid, and far more... Human beings aren't rational machines that acts in certain ways due to certain conditions that is universal for everyone.
@@SioxerNikita Innocent people still generally answer legal questions easier than someone who's actively trying to formulate a lie to cover their ass. Obviously there are outiliers and exceptions, but I don't think anyone needed you to argue that people aren't all the same. We're already aware of that.
@@SatanicBarbequeMOST people have a terrible time answering questions in depositions. People are used to giving a narrative. They’re not used to precise questions. Add that to them already being defensive because it’s the other side asking, so they’re trying to suss out the underlying WHY of every question, and all the prep in the world won’t stop them from sounding ridiculous.
@@SioxerNikita That still doesn't make your obvious bullshit necessary to share. Welcome to the painfully average group of people. You will never say anything that hasn't already been said before
There's only one possibility that Billy is innocent that occurs to me, knowing how a bunch of different video stuff works. The literal only possibility for him is if all of his gameplay was recorded using a direct capture device that was designed to only out put full frames. In this case meaning that it buffers the entire frame and then sends that out as video. If Billy had a custom video capture device commissioned from someone it's possible that they could have made a device that did this a couple of ways. One of which could be by cannibalizing the ADC from an LCD display of the time. I would need to see what the original Donkey Kong from the arcade cabinet looks like when someone did something blasphemous like putting an LCD into the arcade cabinet instead of a CRT. Something that no one would do today with the knowledge of how LCD's and CRT's mechanically differ, but something that someone might have done in the early 2000's. Even in this scenario it doesn't guarantee that you'd get a result that looked the same as MAME output, but you would get something that at least slightly more closely resembled MAME than Arcade most likely
The weird thing is that like... Billy is REALLY good at these games. If he settled on being really damn good rather than lying to be "the best" than this whole thing wouldn't have happened.
Some people are never happy with anything, and one good hit just becomes an addiction and crave more. The perceived "success" is a palpable addiction in this man.
Yeah I mean I haven't finished the video yet but his Pac-Man score has to be legit, right? That was in the early 80s before you could emulate shit. Be happy being the best at Pac-Man, dude. You don't need to be the best at every retro video game.
2 be honest its real hard 2 be among the best but not the best i couldn´t pass the top 100 in hearthstone and it hurts much more than being silver or bronze in any other game when you actually are talented in a game you become so comparative that being one of the best is not good enough any more
@@wisemage0 Very true. I played Magic professionally for 5 years and the 3 high profile cheaters caught in that time were very solid players in their own right. One was even a hall of famer!
Thank you for this video. This has to be the most comprehesive video I've seen covering this scandal. You've helped me more completely understand the actual footage. Well done.
Honestly, I'd say that's 70/30 the fault of the sound technician - you can get rid of most of that noise. Still, I do wonder if he (Billy) deliberately exaggerated that as a way to focus people's attention on that rather than his arguments/defenses. I've seen people do it in video conferences... not often, but more often than I'd expect?
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Massive props to ersatz_cats for the incredible, comprehensive research he's done on this story. Check out his site, www.perfectpacman.com for more like this!
LMAO I can't help but think of the Hbomberguy video when seeing you give credits to that guy HAHAH
@@lonemichi5289 LOLOLOLOL Don't worry, Veritas is legit.
@lonemichi5289 yeah I made sure to reach out to @ersatz_cats long before I released the video, and we discussed a ton of stuff, including attribution and how that can be, let's just say, complicated, when dealing with the looming potential of legal threats. 😅
Ersatz_cats is my favorite
Nice video!
If there was a tagline for a movie about Billy’s life it would have to be “He’s in the fight of his life, and the stakes couldn’t be lower”
The trailer "In a world where gaming is a hobby, can one man lie his way to the top of that hobby?"
damn, this was wonderful, I laughed my ass off outloud
The comments so good I had to wake my wife up at 3:00 a.m. to read it to her
my relationship goals@@RandallBalls
😂😂😂😂🎉
Never before has a man lied so much for the sake of achieving so little. It's the only true record he's ever broken.
Wrapped in a flag and lying. What a surprise
@@rogueninja1685 A lot of that going around today.
He's like a cross between donald trump and Napoleon Dynamites uncle@@dreamlandnightmare
@rogueninja1685 it always leads to Trump with you nutbags. That man lives rent free in your head it's sad. He's coming back in 2024 so get ready.
This is a point of contention when people watch the King of Kong documentary. Even with the production team and people behind the filming not liking Mitchell at all and editing it so it would portray him in a bad light, when you look at how Billy acts outside of that, you question if they even had to do anything to accomplish that.
If you ever feel like you wasted your life, just remember, Billy Mitchel has spent at least 20 years of his trying to lie about a high score in donkey kong.
But you HAVE heard of him? My YT comment will be all that's left of me lmfao
@@intercoursehandguns851 Being remembered for pathologically lying isnt a good thing... Your next generation will be embarrassed of you and it could affect their life.
You have the same mindset of Billy Mitchell... which could be beneficial if you spent the same amount of time practicing as he did lying.
@@intercoursehandguns851I don't see the problem? How many anonymous heroes go to bed not even knowing that they make the world a better place?
I'd rather have that all my life.
@@chuckruffing6283 Do your research before replying, he is worth 1million, my parents are worth double that and we are middle class. You share common mindset of psychopaths if you think lying will get you where you want. Billy is losing all his reputation right now and its funny to watch. It all goes down-hill from here for once your lie is revealed.
Well this is unsurprisingly crappy advice.
At my - at the time - small local gliding club, I was the first to crack 20,000 feet and 580km cross country (on the same day, thanks to favourable wave lift). I landed to a very warm welcome from my friends who took pictures of me and bought my drinks that evening. That was on Saturday. The next day, a 19 year old lad made even better use of the wave lift and broke my "record" by over 2,000 feet and 40km. I already knew he'd knocked me off the "top spot" from our radio operator, but when he landed, he told his friends - the younger members - not to brag or even tell me about his win. I gave him a hug, congratulated him and bought his drinks that evening.
There will always be someone better at something we do. It's how they - and we - behave when that happens that really speaks to who we are.
Billy has a lot of growing up to do...and for someone his age, that's deeply concerning. Of all things to sue people over...a fucking computer game score? Really? He clearly doesn't have good people in his life because if he did, they would tell him to "get a grip" and stop behaving like a petulant child.
Sadly, your comment only proves is that you aren't a pathologically mendacious malignant narcissist like Billy Mitchell. ...wait, not 'sadly'. What's the other one? Congratulations. That's the one! Congrats, you're nothing like Billy Mitchell!
You could almost feel bad for the guy if he wasn't such an ass; lying is the only way he can make a living, and he doesn't even have the excuse of being the pastor of a church.
He's a narcissist he cannot help it
I'll also comment on Carlos Piniero. I believe he had the best of intentions when he stepped into the mess. We "bumped heads" a little at the beginning... we were on opposite sides of the coin at that time... but props to Carlos. He did the work. He tried to replicate what Billy had done. He finally came to the conclusion everyone else had. And admitted it. Publicly. And Team Billy turned on him. Carlos has integrity. He stood his ground, he didn't cave in. He went where the evidence led him, and stuck to it. Proud to call him a trusted friend now, all these years later. He's a good guy.
Hey Tim, the legend himself, well said! Couldn't agree more!
That’s the best type of guy - having an initial opinion and then changing it when new evidence is brought to the table is SO rare nowadays. People are usually just like “um actually you’re wrong” no matter how many facts there are 💀 props to him!
He sounds like a true engineer and a decent guy
People need to just start ignoring him
He is a very unlikeable character, cheating or not cheating
Man, I'm beginning to think this Billy Mitchell guy isn't being honest.
Did you use Karl Jobst‘s analysis-sheet to check if he was lying? 😁
He might've told a few little white lies, but then again, he told a few whoppers too.
@@EFXVoilaI too use a pro and con list too 😂
haha exactly what I meant :D @@lebeaumuni6247
He looks like he would be running a shady DoJo in a strip mall where new members have to sign a waiver acknowledging they're bodies will legally be considered deadly weapons in the eyes of the law... 😮
This is such a thorough destruction that I am afraid Billy will sue me for watching it.
Billy Mitchell has seen this comment and is considering it 👀
He's already sued everyone RUclips recommended the video to.
that is the funniest comment I have read for a long time :-)
Billy here.
Once I find my pocket square, so I can go to the store and replenish my beard and -shoe- hair polish, I'm going directly to my lawyers to sue you.
You've been served.
See you in court.
-Billy Probably
Imagine if Billy Mitchell congratulated Steve, celebrated him as a man who beat his high score, and then used that as an event to promote his arcade and hot sauce.
"I may not be the King of Kong anymore, but I'm the king of hot sauce!"
You should work as a pr representative 😂 that would of been a perfect response! No king rules forever. But if that happened we wouldn't of got that amazing documentary
A scenario that could have been...
The King of 'Cade. Yeah, that would've been the smart move. Then host his own tournaments and hosting the new King of Kong. Sounds like a much cooler alternative reality
That would require self awareness and being humble.sooooooo…
@@one1blue It's what could have happened in an alternative reality where Billy isn't a terminally deluded egomaniac.
"If I stole something yesterday and then proved I could pay for it today, that doesn't mean I am innocent." Such an amazing line.
Billy’s lawyer losing his mind at the end of the video was pure entertainment gold. That’s a lawyer who 100% knows Billy is lying and is doing everything in his power to mitigate the damages that’s coming to him and Billy.
He made his bed. Now he has to sleep in it.
Lol, on an unrelated note I love that you made your profile pic a still of Wilford Brimley's character from "Remo Williams".
If it was anyone but Billy I'd feel bad for him at that part. Any time he says literally anything except yes or no his lawyer is berating him lol. I get that he wants to get it done faster but like is it really that big of a problem if his answer is like five words long instead just one?
that's 4 more words that can be used in trial as evidence@@jacob9538
@@jacob9538 the lawyer saying to shut up so it gets done faster is his tactful "on camera" way of telling Billy to shut up before he says something that can incriminate himself. Honestly, the will power for his lawyer to resist strangling him is more impressive than anything.
I also wanted to mention that I've seen a lot of stuff regarding this topic, so I was debating watching 4 more hours wondering what new information I would get, but most of it was new stuff, actually. Not only that, but the end was so entertaining and funny that it was worth the 4 hours leading up to it.
@@jacob9538 because billy is a pathological liar, and keeps presenting statements and information not asked by the lawyers. That's how he ended up perjuring himself multiple times.
All hail Steve Weibe the official holder of the first title of King of Kong. May this sad sack of narcisism and ego be content with his title as King of Dong.
The field of competitive DK players has expanded since King of Kong was produced. Steve is ranked 12th at this point.
@@Healthy_Toki I mean, that’s kind of why he said holder of the “first” title of King of Kong. He sure is more deserving of that title than billy mitchell.
@@puggyxl ah yeah I misread.
That’s a disrespect to even Dong, ngl 😂
King of Dung*
Billy calling Carlos dishonest is such a scumbag move. That's like pretending to love a woman until she stops paying for your drugs, then leaving her in the middle of the night and telling everyone she was unfaithful.
That’s a REALLY specific comparison….
@@OverlordMoses Yeah, I had to account for Carlos putting his reputation on the line as the partner of a heavy drug user might. I had to account for Carlos refusing to lie for Billy once he learned the truth, which was represented by the partner ceasing to enable her significant other's addiction. I represented Billy pretending Carlos was a random fanboy who never worked to help Billy with the partner being kicked out of the house even though she did nothing wrong. Finally, I used the false allegation of infidelity to symbolize Billy saying Carlos was dishonest during his deposition. It was the only believable example I could think of that included every aspect of the betrayal. I guess I could have done something about an employee and their boss, but it would have been just as specific in order to account for every aspect of the situation.
Tfw your plug is your girl
@@OverlordMosesI laughed
Yeah I wrote this down for later just in case.
“I’m not an expert in this field” dropped like “WELL, I’M NO BIG CITY LAWYER-“ before a massive slab of evidence. Brilliant. Get this to the judge.
This comment wins the 🥇
I mean...it's not difficult. Triforce left a big-rig sized hole for literally anyone to completely shatter his 'proof'. Listening to him talk about how an emulator works physically hurt...and then he goes and claims no experts have come forward......Dude....listen to what you just said....no expert *has* to come forward.....
Billy’s lawyer repeatedly imploring him to just answer the question is hilarious. His frustration is palpable.
Time stamp?
@@daemonthorn5888 in the outro bit
It happened so many times I was certain that it was the opposing attorney. Holy hell, I hope that lawyer got his payment upfront.
"so that pac-man performance wasn't a perfect score?"
"(truncated) no"
"did you tell the crowd it was a perfect score?"
"i told the camera that it was."
"ok, was that untrue?"
"was what untrue?"
_fuck_ dude
This is so incredibly annoying to watch.
Just want everyone to know that Billy’s portrait, displayed worshipfully at the entrance of Funspot, I’m thinking for decades, has been quietly taken down . Funspot is the New Hampshire arcade where much of King of Kong was filmed. Funspot had honored him forever as player of the century, or world record holder, or whatever. No more. In fact, I saw no evidence of Billy Mitchell’s existence anywhere at Funspot.
😂
It was kinda like Neil Armstrong..going to the moon😂😂😂
Interesting.
@@Everyoneisthegoattime to go back to bed grandpa.
@@hanspecansjoseph was quoting Billy comparing himself to Neil Armstrong
“The bag containing the video evidence of the Donkey Kong world record was actually just full of spiders” is not a plot twist I saw coming
LMAO
🤣🤣🤣💀
Peak Florida moment
No no no they misunderstood the spiders were there they saw billy do the record!
Gotta feel bad for Carlos. Well intentioned guy taken advantage of and then smeared through the dirt
It takes a lot of courage and self-confidence to be able to admit you were lied to like this, and you believed it. MAJOR props to Carlos.
Carlos is an amazing guy. He got put through the wringer by Mitchell but came out clean while Billy just got dirtier.
The fact he sat there under oath and lied about carlos... And then told the truth about carlos at the end makes no since to me. Why fabricate evidence if you snitch on your self? What a dummy
I really felt bad when watching that section.
It reminds me of other noteworthy figures in life but this is such a wholesome comment section I'll keep my Pandora's-box thoughts to myself 🤗 good for Carlos for having integrity.
"He was a basketball" will never not get a chuckle from me.
😂
I accidently saw what my son is getting me for Christmas. It's a basketball. Having some fun with this.
Came to the comments section for this 😂😂
5:43
Amazing
Billy Mitchell is like the god-tier evolution of the kid in grade school whose dad worked for Nintendo.
People under the age of like 30 will never understand the existence of these types of people 😂. I miss the pre internet world where mysteries still existed.
@@DonMega888 That's exactly what i was thinking. there was a time where ti was borderline impossible to fact check people to this degree. Billy is a relic of that time. He's like if a belt holster for a cell phone was a man.
*uncle, dad was to easy to fact check.
Hello ! Does anyone know where can we watch the full testimony of Billy ? Thanks.
My dad works for Nintendo and he says Billy Mitchell is a cool guy.
i find it pretty ironic and tragicomic that Steve Wiebe, who was really acting very sportsmanlike, going out of his way to be part of a greater Donkey Kong community, and kept feeling sad about losing to Billy, had actually always been the true Donkey Kong champion deserving the title
"Edit that out because I don't swear" just sums up Billy perfectly. I can't believe he actually did that on video. Dude has negative levels of self awareness.
He'd have a carefully-managed public perception if: 1) He were relevant. 2) He weren't a complete idiot.
Reminds me of the 2nd season of HBOs “last chance U”. The coach literally made fun of a concussed player for not playing (among dozens of other things) but he believed he looked bad for swearing too much.
@@TESVSkyrimMods Yes, that was a comment I made on this video. Good job! Why are you stealing it here? Lol
@@Jabadamazo hey man why do i recognize the specific name "Jabadamazo" is it from anywhere? i feel like it was in a really stupid youtube video that i watched several years ago
@@gairisiuil Pikasprey did an all-Smeargle run of Pokemon Crystal many years ago and the standout Smeargle name was Jabadamazo.
The ending is hilarious.
Billy's complete and utter inability to *_JUST ANSWER THE SPECIFIC QUESTION POSED, IN A SHORT "YES" OR "NO" MANNER_* , - without comment or speculation - despite being told to do so repeatedly is stunning.
To be fair, I don't think I'd be able to do that either 😅 ...at least, not if I was truly convinced I was telling the truth. If I was actively lying, then I'd probably be better at giving pointed answers then shutting up 😬
@@HalcyonSerenadeThis is a lawyers worst nightmare. 😂 Clients who won’t listen and won’t shut up. They give up so much information to the other side and screw their own case in the process. This is clearly a guy who thinks he knows better than everyone else (which is why he represented himself for so long).
I'm waiting to see this show up on a RUclips lawyer's channel: "How to hang yourself during a deposition."
What am embarrassing man
Being told to, being begged to desperately by the person he paid, a lot, to be there.
I like how Billy is constantly annoyed that he has to lie all the time...
lol "if only i knew beforehand being a shyster was going to be such a faff"
well, it's sure as shit a faff for him now lol
Haha. Yeah I can just imagine inside his mind that people are forcing his hand. We are actually the ones at fault.
Exactly the way tons of lolcows act, namely DSP.
'Why won't they just accept the lies I told them last time so I don't have to keep lying? Geeeeeze.'
the more you lie the more you have to cover up the lies that has beenexposed, and Billy has lied for years so he should run for president, hes got all the credentials!
As a software engineer who worked a lot with video compression, cameras, understanding how rolling shutters, sensors and all of this stuff works I can sign under whole explanation Veritas gave. Incredible work have been done here to explain it visually and easy. Thank you. This videos deserve much more than a single like.
shout out to carlos; it takes a lot of guts to accept that you got scammed and tell people about it. a lot. that was humiliating and i'm proud of carlos for saying, 'wait, tf?' and questioning his assumptions. you did it right my guy.
Truly an inspiration for us all.
@@DuskFox7 you need inspiration to do the right thing?
...
@@lgmediapcsalon9440 you always this fucking stupid in public?
@@lgmediapcsalon9440yes, everyone does. It’s easy to lie and be cowardly when you make a mistake… look at toddlers lol
Carlos only did it because he Knew he was B,usted!
I just want to take an aside to thank Carlos, not just for the work he did which is great, but when presented with evidence that the people who hired him were lying, he actually listened and changed his perspectives. He didn't just go into ego defense mode like so many others do. That is the sign of a mature person.
I'm not sure I could do that even, honestly 😂 human psychology is pretty strange.
And he admitted it as his own failure too, not _just_ him being a victim of the lies. I mean, he _was_ indeed a victim of the con, but he's also owning up to that he was taking the honesty for granted rather than fact-checking sooner than he did. It says a lot about a person's character when they not only admit to being wrong, but also admit that they _could've_ done something different to correct their mistake sooner. That's a lot to admit to, and he's a champ for doing so on such a hot topic (at least, a hot topic in this relatively niche corner of the internet).
@@HalcyonSerenade well said!
I wanna thank him too for keeping the fast food restaurants in his locality thriving. brave
He's NOT addicted to food. Why'd you say that?
Waaaaait a minute... I am beginning to think that Billie Mitchell might not have been completely honest about his world record Donkey Kong score!
But, but he said he did it. He seems like a trustworthy guy.
No shit Sherlock 😂
@@casperstone5417Woosh?
@@casperstone5417/wooooooooosh
I’m not even sure he’s ever played a video game at this point
Coming back to watch this again 5 months later because this is one of the best stories, told in possibly the very best way on RUclips.
Therapist to Billy Mitchell: "Is the high score in the room with us right now?"
Maybe the real high score was the friends we made along the way.
"where did the High Score touch you?"
@@AnAverageGoblin lol Show me on the dolly where the high score touched you
Lol... You guys are amazing 😂😂😂
That high score took something from him he can never get back... his innocence.
Legend has it that Brian Kuh is still wandering around letting people know about the upcoming Donkey Kong kill screen to this day.
Well, if YOU could retire in your 30s like Brian Kuh and spend the rest of your life playing classic arcade games looking for kill screens, wouldn't you?!
I met Brian, I played against him in a best of seven challenge on seven games chosen for an arcade tournament...won 4-3.
If you wanna watch
Well at least we know he's eating a solid breakfast.
that's a running joke that never gets old.
Just by releasing this video, Karl Jobst got sued at least another 3 times.
And this isn't even a Karl video, which makes the thought extra funny 😆
I hear billy settled against twin galaxies today… i cant wait to see karls vids
@@zerg9523 it's gonna suck, TG lawyer threw away an easy win
@@ViddyOJames i assume the lolsuit wasnt worth the legal fees. Court bills go crazy.
Well Jobst promised he will take his case to court at all cost, so yeah this is not over, since the basis for that lawsuit still is: did he cheat or not
Even he’d admitted the Pac-Man score wasn’t perfect at the time, to the camera and the crowd, like “sorry, didn’t quite get it this time, but I was only 5000 short, maybe next time”… It still would’ve been a damned impressive score.
and?
@@jesmarina and Billy would have avoided shooting himself in the foot unnecessarily yet again.
This all happened because Billy Mitchell was Twin Galaxie's puppet master and they let him manipulate scores and rules at will. Anyone, except Billy Mitchell, had to go through a lot of scrutiny and very extreme rules to present evidence of a Donkey Kong score, but Billy Mitchell just needed to send a tape of game play without him showing his face and it was accepted immediately. It was pathetic.
Wasn't he effectively a co-owner during those days?
@@kenon6968 more reason to follow the rules and lead by example, instead he added a layer of conflict of interest and manipulated poor Walter Day to do whatever he pleased.
@@kenon6968 I think the more correct term would be "main funder" rather than co-owner. the irony is of course that the investment would've had more return if he wasn't such a dick
To bad he didn't mention how Walter Day is in a cult and how he was forced to keep up the Twin Galaxy and Mitchell hype. There's some good documentaries that delve into this.
@@LordZordidbro a cult?? just when i thought this story couldnt get any crazier
I LOVE his argument about the room camera vs filming directly for a "movie". I can speak on this directly. I have a movie too. At no point did we ever use a direct feed to capture "better video" for the movie. We used many cameras, and even cell phone footage... and it was high enough quality. And then his argument about not having "original footage" and putting the onus on TG themselves... I have MY ORIGINAL record footage. All of it. That's on Billy man. There's zero record for the player to NOT have the original record submission footage.
Hello ! Does anyone know where can we watch the full testimony of Billy ? Thanks.
@@jemlesvideo Google "Billy Mitchell Full Deposition"
@@jemlesvideoI don't think it's been uploaded yet and may never be fully available...but typically the lawyers doing the deposition have full rights to do what they want with the recording so Twin Galaxies owns the video deposition and they have shared it with others like Karl Jobst...
@@p0llk4t07 It had been uploaded but removed ! I witnessed it I even started to watch the footage. I should have downloaded it at the time...
It is a DarkSydePhil level of argument from Billy. "I said it, trust me and other are just detractors, dood!"
“Could I clarify?”
“No.”
Oh my god I actually feel bad for his lawyer. That ending was comedy gold. Billy just cannot keep his mouth shut.
You'd think that a guy that was so enthusiastic about ringing others through the legal system would know rule number one, let the lawyer do the talking and if you have to speak say as little as possible
That alone raises more red flags than a communist parade. Dude gets asked yes or no questions then proceeds to give everything in between.
It's so funny that Billy is psychologically destroying HIS OWN LAWYER.
Timestamp?
@@iRemainNameless whole section starts at 3:43:51, exact 'could i clarify' at 3:48:42
You know what's really the worst part about this for Billy?
Despite the dishonesty, he is actually sick at DK
But he will never get even that recognition now
Like others have mentioned, that's what makes the Barry Bonds analogy so solid. Bonds was going to be an all-time great no matter what, but he had to be temporarily at the top of the mountain no matter the cost to his reputation.
OG donkey Kong is a poop game. Being best at that game would be like being the smartest kid with down syndrome
What a shame...
No he isn’t.
Many of the most notorious cheaters in speedrunning are people that are legitimately good at the game they play, but also extremely proud individuals that want to stay at the top no matter what.
I saw the King of Kong doc and really found it strange that the challenger was literally playing the game throughout the whole thing, while Billy is never even seen next to a machine, much less playing it. And when the mysterious video comes in to the arcade it is treated as the Ten Commandments by the one Billy-sycophant.
Billy Mitchell needs a lawyer before he can talk to his lawyer.
Comprehensive. You deserve an award for making the sideways CRT difference make sense. Interesting and fun to watch.
The story of Billy Mitchell is of a guy, a gamer, who was really good, got recognized for being really good (sometimes recognized for being the best) and then decided he wanted to remain the best for the rest of his life no matter what. He’s also like a borderline sociopath
And that’s being generous for what he’s done
it's hard to even think about billy with a straight face without turning red in anger when you think about how he laughed and made fun of apollo legend "doing the deed" (you know what i mean... thanks youtube). it's also fairly obvious that billy mitchell is a good chunk of the reason why it happened in the first place, even if billy threatened apollo's family into saying otherwise. dude is one of the most evil people that has ever existed, and it's great that he's finally been exposed for being such a disgusting degenerate loser
And the way he's gone about doing that, rather than put in the hard work of practicing hours a day, is to bully, harass and lie for years. Fuck him
I agree with everything you said, except I'm pretty sure he crossed over that border quite a while ago.
Incredibly petty, considering what is at stake:
It's a stupid Arcade high score!!!
Others lose a years salary and walk away as if nothing happened.....
Listening to Billy's lawyer lose his will to live is somehow the saddest and most satisfying part of this video
"Just answer the question....."
As the highly suspected m*rderer of the West Memphis Three kids once said about depositions: "Stay away from those! Hahahaha!"
"no commentary or its going to take longer than it needs to take."
his lawyer is a lieing pos and should be disbarred but thats par for the course in teh courts... more often they promoted to judges rather then punished for lieing to the court
I really think Billy is some combination of delusional and a pathological liar. There's something wrong with someone his age who would act like that in a court setting.
Imagine getting a new world record in Donkey Kong (or any older game), only for a conman to send a tape moments later, claiming to have achieved a higher score - immediately cutting off your earned victory.
Imagine being that bothered about having a record score in a video game. Sat on your arse all day playing a video game has no positive benefit for anyone
@@IanMurray-ce4gc - Imagine thinking a video game record is not a worthy achievement. Would you say the same about some sports achievement? There is no difference. It's not less difficult or less impressive, because it's a video game. You clearly don't even know what any of this is about. If you really think he shouldn't care, then the people putting so much work into proving he cheated, shouldn't care either. He made a living out of his achievements and was then found to have cheated. Of course it's a big deal to him.
@@peterwhitey4992 it's not an achievement. Sorry you are butt hurt and had to write an essay
why are u even here lmfao@@IanMurray-ce4gc
@@IanMurray-ce4gc Imagine being that bothered by a video game documentary that you willingly watched. Writing a stupid ass comment has no positive benefit for anyone
I love watching Billy Mitchell related content because he’s a literal cartoon supervillain.
Is a cartoon made with him somewhere?
@@Apophis1010If you've ever watched The Regular Show, there's a [seemingly] one-off villain called Garrett Bobby Ferguson, or just GBF, for short; He appears as a floating disembodied head who is the "Universal Champion of [some video game in the show]", and when his high score is threatened he appears before the main characters and challenges them to a match of the arcade game, using trickery, underhanded tactics, disingenuous crying and blubbering about how his wife left him, the high score is the only thing that matters in his life anymore, etc. He has been compared to Billy Mitchell - even by Billy himself, who sued Cartoon Network shortly after the episode aired for using his likeness. The judge dismissed the case before it went to trial, stating, "Plaintiff's claims of use of his likeness are untrue, because Billy Mitchell is a Human being while the character is a disembodied, floating, bearded head."
Wrong he plays videogame. Hes more akin to M. Bison. Until there is a LITERAL cartoon about him, incorrect
He should have just ran with that gimmick instead of this bullshit
Ha, I’m your 69th like.
Niiiiiiice.
Yes, I am a 45 year old teenager. I admit it.
"was your pacman performance a perfect score"
"no"
"did you say it was a perfect score"
"no"
"did you lie then"
"no"
its like arguing with a toddler lol
RIP Apollo Legend, the OG youtuber who got the ball rolling in exposing Billy Mitchell.
I believe one could make a cogent case that Billy holds some distinct responsibility for Apollo's death.
@@EmeraldLavigneApollo had a lot of issues though. Of course Billy was part of it but it isn’t entirely on him.
Apollo didn't get the ball rolling, he just repeated the findings that others made to cash in on the whole thing and then got caught up in the mess. Don't get me wrong, it's unfortunate what happened to him but he in no way was crucial to taking down Billy. If anything, he only encouraged Billy to keep suing since Apollo settled the lawsuit against himself and had to pay Billy a lot of money which in turn made Billy think he can make anyone shut up and give him money, so long as he hit them with a lawsuit.
@@zacca6000 He got the ball rolling as far as youtube interest goes. He didn't just repeat what other videos said. He scoured the internet for all the data he could find to put it into his comprehensive video, which inevitably caught the attention of Billy Mitchell.
@@dlancer2kEZScape had a video on Apollo and his methods. He makes it clear Apollo used his and others work and garnered himself attention for it and acted like he did everyone a favor, when he didn't. If Apollo was actually careful with the information he had, he wouldn't of had to deal with Billy at all but he wanted to jump in on a subject that was still hot and paid the price for it. The video is called "The Downfall of Apollo Legend feat Billy Mitchell, Todd Rogers & DarkViperAU [RE-UPLOAD]" and the video is reuploaded on a different channel due to not being on EZScape's channel anymore but it goes through a lot about Apollo and how the speedrunning community really did not like him and it's around the 36 minute mark that EZScape goes over his personal issues with Apollo and how he would jump into a situation without knowing the full details or even repeating mistaken details that could of been corrected but he wanted the drama content. As for Billy, the information was going to come out about him no matter what, Apollo just happened to make a video at the right time and had enough information from other peoples content to make it sound like he knew what he was doing until he made assumptions with that information and had no backing to those assumptions, thus causing Billy to sue him.
After about 2 hours and 30 minutes in I realized: Wow... This is such a ridiculous and stupid thing to lie about. Billy must have a pretty fragile ego
Pathological personality faults in Squilliam Fitchellson
Hello ! Does anyone know where can we watch the full testimony of Billy ? Thanks.
@TheDragonDAFan that's the thing man; he really doesn't need to do any of this nonsense for the income. He's got money from his restaurants and real estate, this is about nothing but his own ego.
@@LLFoolJ I feel like the issue is that he has what he has based on consistently lying about his achievements or allegedly cheating to get those achievements. Without the deception, he doesn't have what he has now.
Yes, it’s like watching a caricature of a classic grandiose narcissist. He can’t face the truth or his world will shatter along with his mind. That’s why his hair is so big, it’s full of secrets 🤫 While hilarious it is equally sad to be honest. 😬
Imagine someone telling a convention they're going to bowl a 300 game. They get 11 strikes in a row, then on the 12th ball, they leave a 7-10 split. Imagine the audacity that person would have to have to turn around and scream "PERFECT GAME!" then soak in the cheers. NOW FURTHER IMAGINE that people who witnessed that double down on the fact they saw a perfect bowling game in the face of all the evidence that they saw a 298 game.
High level gaslighting. Just like the Biden admin
I initially hated the Broken Token guys (and still do, a bit) for just refusing to look at the evidence while defending Billy, claiming that they weren't, and calling David Race militant, but on some level I do feel bad for them. In their email response to Veritas, they were clearly scared to discuss it further because of how litigious Billy is, and it just wasn't worth it to them to get embroiled in that. It's insane how the guy has used the legal system to bully people into silence. Even if nothing else was true, that would be enough for me to hate Billy.
Karl Jobst and any other Billy Mitchell Lawsuiters can just present this video as evidence for their cases and all of Billy’s bullshit would be over.
This is one of the most professional and well put together videos on this Billy Mitchell cheating topic that I’ve ever seen.
After seeing the original MAIM footage years ago, I was about 80% sure Billy was a cheat.
This video slams the door on any chance that Billy Mitchell is innocent in my mind.
Not only is this video professionally researched but genuinely entertaining as well. 4 hours flew by.
Ain't no way I didn't have to pay to watch this, this is incredibly well done
Time is money, you did pay for this.
he didnt have time to come up with it
@@prezadent1 Is he wrong, this video had hundreds of fking adds in it.
@@prezadent1He is not wrong
they're those """sigma males"""@@prezadent1
The transition of Billy repeatedly swiping the screen to the right is gold.
Haven't finished the video yet, but it's been worth the wait & managed to get me interested in a story I've never been invested in. Well done
Indeed. It made me unreasonably happy for such a tiny thing.
It’s not like Karl Jobs’s Lawyers needed anymore proof but, they can now add this one and rest their case.
Karl already had everything that was shown in this video. He's been sitting on a lot of evidence for years that hasn't been made public because of the ongoing legal issues.
but will this hold up in court? Will push on the joystick derail things? even more so if they try to use TODAYS TG rules vs the rules back then?
Karl is part of billys life cannon
Getting sued by Billy has become Karl's full-time job. What is he even going to do with himself when it's over? Try to get sued by the Completionist?
@@billvolk4236Another Goldeneye speedruning breakdown probably.
I hope I don't get sued for saying this but dear god Billy needs to learn to not breathe into a microphone and drink some water. The mouth noises during his expo appearance were outrageous.
I can't watch any of this without feeling like my 9-yr-old self desperately lying to explain why my homework wasn't done, then having to lie again and again as each of the previous lies unraveled. I would say anything to get out of the situation. But, in my defense, I WAS NINE YEARS OLD. At some point, you have to become an adult and realize that the mental exhaustion just isn't worth it. If you don't, then your whole life becomes the lie. Why? To prop up a fake achievement in a video game?
unless your a woman, they retain this ability for life
The idea that Billy could ever have the GWR for the Donkey Kong highest score is simply silly.
We all know Tommy Tallarico is the one who holds that honor. He's done everything!
It was Joey! It's always Joey!
This was not at all a joke I expected on this video. Thank you, you absolute legend.
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one to whom RUclips recommended this video after a binge watch of all of Hbomberguys videos. Tommy Tallaricos mother must be very proud of him indeed.
@embyrr922 Come on. Do you really think the first American to work on Sonic, would just lie like that?
@@embyrr922well played, guys!
Already the "He was a basketball" quote had me expecting good things 😂. I'm glad Veritas committed to making this video
Yea but Steve was the basketball lol. 🤣
The vid is great and all but what I really want to know is at what point Steve morphed into a sentient human.
Pro-tip: If someone claims they are 'the best in the world' the chance they're an honest person is small enough to be a statistical anomaly and if they claim they 'never lose' that chance drops to an absolute zero.
Props to Carlos for owning up to having been scammed and strung along like that, it's really difficult and humbling to admit you've been tricked, but it's also a sign of maturity and humility the likes of which Bully Mitchell (no typo) will never truly understand
I prefer Silly Bitchell
How do I always end up spending so much time watching documentaries about things I don't really care about? This is amazingly well produced and I really appreciate the effort.
I find it amazing that Walter Day escaped much of the scrutiny and with reputation intact. He was a full participant in the conspiracy.
Funny. I was just watching the video where Wiebe gets the WR, and Walter is on the phone asking BM if he's officially submitting his score.
They're both trash.
I'm starting to get afraid that I'll have to make the scathing video about all the shady things he's done myself, but I don't know if I have the strength for such a task.
I couldn't stand that Billy-loving, sycophantic bastard ever since seeing him in King of Kong. God, what a vacuous, gaping asshole. Mostly because of how they shat all over Steve Wiebe, the most innocent, wholesome, standup guy in this whole thing.
figured that was why in Wreck it Ralph, his name is mr litwick, not day
Walter Day always looked so harmless and innocent in all docs I watched about Billy and Twin Galaxies. He struck me as a trusting and gullible fellow. But maybe he is not.
Karl recommended your video, and I loved every moment of it! Even after watching all of his vids on BM, multiple times, there are many new details here I never knew about, such as Carlos, and I enjoyed how you fleshed out many parts as well. I'll be watching it again soon I feel. The final segment is hilarious. It's surreal that such a thing like this whole situation is even happening. I almost forgot it was real, they all behaved like characters in a soap opera, like everyone is on this insane joke. I know it isn't the case, but it's almost easier to believe than that it's real. Thank you for all of your work putting this massive beast of a video together!
This is a prime example how 1 lie can turn into 1000 lies.
😂
😂😂😂
Those are known as 'metric lies'.
Congrats, you're responsible for probably at least 200,000 work hours wasted this week! This was so captivating.
I had this same thought. Think of how many videos there are, and how many views each one has.
@@celebratelife865 And then think about all the parents who just hand their kids ipads and let the autoplay do it's thing.
I fall asleep to this most nights.
I watched this on my day off. Tf.
Umm multitasking is a thing.
I don’t even care about retro games. I watch speed running documentaries with the same fascination that I watch body builders. These people achieved something very difficult but to me completely meaningless. Im so impressed with the technical know how and diligence it takes to make a video such as this. I hope this will get more views. The intro was also genuinely funny and well done.
If he told me his name is Billy Mitchell, I wouldn't believe him.
Take a moment and appreciate how absurd it is that Todd went tarantula shopping and brought a grocery bag full of spiders into the arcade.
Did I miss something, wasnt this late at night too? I know its Florida, but where do you buy tarantulas at midnight?
Yeah that was so out of left field, we have to let that sink in.
I don't claim to be a Todd Todgers.. Rogers expert, but who brings animals to the arcade let alone spiders. All bets are off at this point. Why didn't he bring in a monkey named Kong, because that would actually make sense... 😆
..AÀNNNNDÐ.... opened the bag of tarantulas to "put the tape(s)of the scoring" in there... 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Great way to start a horror movie though.
@@NZKiwiRic Billy could have said "Todd's tarantulas ate my tape". Missed opportunity.
Billy Mitchell seems like the kind of guy who would always "win" any imagination-based game as a kid with his friends.
"Nuh uh, your powers don't work on me because I have a super impenetrable force field! I'm the strongest!"
Lol he's also like the SHOOTER MCGAVIN OF GAMING 😂
Billy Mitchell was the kid in grade school that always said, "I have a girlfriend but you don't know her. She lives in Canada."
Then he sues you for using a lesser power on his ultimate shield. while there is a video of some machine making his ultimate shield. showing it wasn't his shield all along.
@@JohnDoe-le7mlMine was from Winnipeg
LOL Like Cartman in that one South Park, "I have the power to have any power I want!" Seriously you made me laugh with this comment. Thank you.
Mad respect to Veritas for not only taking ownership for being wrong, but working his hardest to set the record straight. You're a true legend. Thanks for inspiring us all to keep growing.
What was he wrong about?
@@VenusHeadTrap2 That was my question reading this comment as well..
What cracks me up about this guy is what an absolute black hole of charisma he actually is, and how I can't decide if he's entirely aware of it or completely oblivious, due to the way he dresses in such a distinct manner.
The little dude who helped Billy with the tape, “nope you can’t see it, it’s one play only” is so pathetic too,
yes he is the typical maga follow the liar type
@@aegisgfxhow dare you talk about your next president like that
@@Doggo-frencton sorry but Hunter Biden is your next president, we're going to make sure of that
Right, why can’t he see it? If there was nothing to hide then no reason to worry
@@Doggo-frencton Hunter Biden? Yes he will make a fantastic president for you insane maga psychos
This is some of the best investigative journalism I’ve seen in such an obscure area. Amazing! Well done
Billy Mitchell has been endlessly stacking lie on top of lie on top of lie for years and years, not to mention suing everyone who rightfully calls him out for being a cheating scoundrel and blatant liar... So although the stakes are incredibly low and the "reputation" he's trying to defend is totally forgettable and unimpressive, it needed to be done.
Hello ! Does anyone know where can we watch the full testimony of Billy ? Thanks.
I was legit dying watching the outro with Billy's lawyer attempting hysterically to get Billy to just answer the question and stop talking.
When I watched King of Kong, I thought that was the best documentary Ive seen by then, about "nothing", its an artform itself to make something so of no or close to zero value feel so extremely important. Then I happened to see the Karl 's video yesterday and I was stunned obviously at the thumbnail and I thought this has to be wrong, is this a clickbait (just watching the tumbnail only), but I just had to click it. Then he redirected me here, and also said in the video himself its: 4hrs long, and I was like "nah, not a chance in hell".
And here I am 4hrs later, feeling JUST AS satisfied as when I watched King of Kong. What an amazing job, you should investigate much bigger stuff than "nothing", say politicians, big scammers, true cheats in the Olympics and sports on the big stage, far away from "nothing". Big applause to you on everything, from the buildup, to the ending, how you tell this story, how you do your own field and empirical research on it, to the editing, just the video is amazing itself if you applied this to any subject, to the fucking crafting of this whole thing to make 4hrs feel like, again: "nothing" at all, its just incredible.
Im amazed like most youtube or internet nerds like myself that likes nerdy stuff, that alot of stuff up here is way better done, by dedicated people like you that put so much passion into it, than million dollars budget documentaries by the big wolfs. Best 4hrs spent on the internet for a long long time 👍.
"His talents are in his hands, he pitched, he was a basketball" I was like did I hear that right? I went back a few secs to listen again and my eyes are now crossed..
He had basketball removal surgery, so he's now a normal human being. Such an inspirational story. From basketball to man.
Nah i guess he was a basketball after all, such a shame being the ball and not the player must suck 😢
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The whole Billy Mitchell saga is an amazing look into a narcissist's mind. No normal person would dedicate so much of their life trying to perpetuate such a pointless and obvious lie. Academic studies should be done on this guy's behavior.
You should meet my mom.
How is it pointless? Would you say the same about some sports achievement, where the person has been caught lying/cheating later? This is no different. He's been living off his video game achievements. Nothing wrong with that, if it wasn't a lie.
@@peterwhitey4992 It's mainly pointless because no one (sane) is buying it anymore but keeps doubling down and making it worse for himself. I guess if he wanted to be forever known as the weird old guy who won't admit he cheated then he succeeded.
@@peterwhitey4992 it is kinda pointless when a different route would have made more money, also considering that the records aren't his source of wealth rather propping them up as something that even matter in the first place is what he spent wealth on.
Absolute grindset on the guy, 24/7 lol
Electronics tech working in the cinema field here, who does a lot of work with monitors and camera sensors etc. Just want to say that your explanation of rolling shutter interacting with CRT scanlines while also being out of sync with the monitor [@~ 44:20] is super well done. Probably the first person I've seen who isn't deep in that world who has been able to not only explain it clearly but visually demonstrate it. Love your work!
This whole video you don't even mention Karl, whos basically been exposing Billy for last 5-6 years overall
Not even on-screen credit while they play audio of one of Karl’s vids talking about how Namco never said Billy was named the most mega supreme gamer in the universe.
I’m surpise they didn’t bring up more of the lawsuits with Karl and Apollo
@@vajayheyNot sure if you're serious but there was onscreen credit for that
Ya, unsure where you went, maybe to refill some popcorn or something, but Veritas absolutely gave onscreen credit.
If Billy somehow big brains this and sues you for this video... he should at least know that the defense will absolutely play this video in its entirety for the jury.
Billy isn't going to sue anyone any time soon. He is about to lose 2 in a row.
@@shawnd567And isn't he doing Kameo now and trying to drum up more money? Lawsuits take moolah after all
@@shawnd567imagine thinking losing case after case would stop Billy Mitchell
@@shawnd567 I think we've established at this point that Billy is an idiot, so him making stupid decisions is just par for the course.
And also he's evil. Like when he celebrated after Apollo Legend killed himself (largely as a result of Billy suing him).
I kinda want him to do it so he can lose again, but I also don't want anyone to have to deal with Silly Bitchell's frivolous lawsuits. But if he does, I hope this guy do a fundraising cause people will absolutely come to his aid.
That "Outro" was the most perfect chef's kiss to this 4-hour masterpiece.
Bravo Veritas, this is artwork.
Just answer the Question.
@@TruFalco No Question pending.
The only thing this amazing documentary is missing is a mention that there is a yearly donkey kong competition, and billy only entered once, and made last place, never to enter a live arcade tournament with actual competition before or since.
he won that one in Australia, which qualifies him to be the all-time southern hemisphere donkey Kong champion and if you don't like it take it up with Shigeru Miyamoto
Insane level of research and even independent replication study. Well done, that visualisation of scanlines and rolling shutters was amazing
Why, in the name of everything holy, cant I get this level of detailed analysis from traditional media on literally ANY of the issues of the day??
Seriously Veritas - well done. Best RUclips video i've seen in foreeeeever.
Effort costs money.
Because media = propaganda
We have a nihilistic culture that doesn’t support people doing hard work for the sake of meaning
Because only a tiny fringe audience cares. So much total nonsense, debunked 100 times over, is believed by so many people.
4 HOUR take down, all of it watchable and well paced, never grinding, confusing or boring. Bravo.
I found the explanation on how arcade machines draw the image vs Mame etc a tad confusing.
I mean, I had to watch it on 2.5x to get through it...
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@@urbanmidnight1 I don't know if it's possible to make an easy explanation of how that sort of thing works. My degree is in math so I can get an overly simplified idea of what's going on and that segment did well enough for me, but I'm by no means an expert on things like vram so I couldn't hope to do a better job illustrating it myself and don't know if it is possible or not (it might be).
I sleep at 4 a.m. because of this video.
I think it should have been mentioned that Mitchell tried to sue Cartoon Network over an episode of "The Regular Show" where a character GBF clearly poking fun at Mitchell. He lost the lawsuit.
Garrett Bobby Ferguson. Yeyuuuh
You remember his Highscore name?
He just lost his lawsuit against Twin Galaxies and now he's trying to sue an Australian youtuber 😅
Milly Bitchell is such a maliciously litigious little punk.
@Hick_Dead against Karl Jobst. Billy is gonna lose real hard. 😂
I don't care at all about video games, and I think that the whole thing is a little silly, but the lengths this guy will go to keep the lie going is incredible. When I come across these types of people, they're usually committing horrible crimes, but this guy is all in on video games. It's incredible. Great video.
I understand nothing about electronics but that "arcade fingerprint" section was super interesting, that's basically irrefutable evidence about the legitimacy of Billy.
This one hits on all cylinders for me. From human narcissism driving pointless conspiracies to bit level 1's and zeroes. best video of the year
Im honestly not interested in Billy Mitchell. Never heard of the guy nefore this, but I absolutely support content creators who do not get intimidated by the exploitable legal system. Independent journalism like this is how the truth stays relevant in a corrupt system. Thank you for doing, what you believe in, Veritas.
Well said.
for the record. I really appreciated the hand wave transition that you used, the fact that it looped and moved the image every time made me laugh so hard.
That was awesome
1:03:33
Simply beautiful
This is the best video on the Internet. It comes up all the time in my suggestions. And everytime. I watch it.
its a problem at this point, i can recite the beginning from memory 😭😭😭
I really appreciate the amount of effort you put into this video. The amount of people who cover this story and just say "this one frame proves billy cheated" without covering what that frame means, how it was produced, why that differs from genuine arcade hardware, and how it being played on mame invalidates his record is, while reasonable, responsible for this story becoming very oversimplified. This was simultaneously very rigorous proof, but also genuinely educational. I also appreciate that you clarified Mameplay™is not necessarily dishonest or proof of cheating, as long as it is presented upfront with the required files it is a completely honest field of competition. Mame is the main way most people these days are gonna have access to arcade Donkey Kong, and while inaccuracies pop up, mame is, almost to a fault, completely devoted to the pursuit of accuracy over playability. Mame devs will straight up refuse hacky or high level emulation solutions to performance issues simply to preserve accuracy. This is rare in the emulation space, where most emulators would prioritize performance and playability, and focus on accuracy issues only once they present an obstacle to this playability. Great stuff. Replicating other people's findings is something more people should do when covering stories like this.
Yes. This video breaks down almost every piece of the puzzle. The statements Billy has made have been dissected and analyzed to point out the areas of manipulation piece by piece. Really really great video.
Great comment!
Yeah, and just the fact that Mitchell lies about using it is bizarre. Hell, everything about him is bizarre and off-putting. I like video games, but I can't imagine trying fabricate a mythology around my own achievements. I was the first in my group of friends to beat Bowser in Super Mario World, WORSHIP ME, PLEBES!
With everything that's going on with the world not just with Billy... in this era of con artists... this investigative reporting deserves some kind of award...
Youd think if billy was even half the legend he claims to be, he would be happy to play anywhere anytime to show his skills and potentially set a new record just to put all these allegations and lawsuits to rest... but i guess we know why that doesnt happen
Even IF he managed to achieve a record legitimately today, it would in no way nullify the fraud he committed in the past. It’s still proven beyond a doubt that his “records” were not set on genuine arcade hardware, and that’s all that matters for the lawsuits. If you steal a candy bar today, and then buy one tomorrow, you still stole that first candy bar.
Did you even watch the video? There’s an entire segment dedicated to explaining that fact.
@@buriedpet yeah you missed the point of my comment entirely. I said he won't play live because he's a lying con man.
@@buriedpet Pretty sure they don't mean to imply that Billy's fraud would be erased, just that if he was willing to participate in more public world record showcases there wouldn't have been as much suspicion. Part of the reason there was such an in-depth investigation was that Billy was pretty much only willing to show off his talent on his terms only. He could have easily gotten away with the lie (*sigh* _alleged_ lie, for any lawyers reading) if he was able to produce any amount of unbiased evidence.
@buriedpet they weren't implying his fraud would disappear if he hit a new record. They were saying if he was that good he would've played anywhere for anyone to prove it and possibly get a new record but Billy doesn't play unless it's under incredibly controlled scenarios.
@@buriedpet’Did you even watch the video?!’ Isn’t the jab you think it is when said video nearly enters 4 hours.
Any time anyone tells me that humans are inherently selfish I am going to show them this. It is WAY more human to go through HOURS of boring fact-checking and frame-by-frame analysis to expose someone who is a selfish cheater (even if you have literally zero stakes in exposing them) for the better of our society as a whole than it is to actually be selfish.
The credit sequence is absolutely fantastic! Billy constantly going against his lawyer's request is painful yet endeering to watch. Golden video, good sir, the best Billy Mitchell video I've seen so far.
Billy Mitchell and Tommy Tallarico gotta be in a competition for "Highest Amount of Useless Lies". Just pathologic, the both of them.
they did both inspire Donald Trump and Boris Johnson tho so credit where credit is due
I thought Tommy tallarico composed music?
@@PazLeBonwhy the hell do you feel the need to make this political?
@@Duncaster Why the hell not? lmao, I dont have any 'need' just observations, didnt mean to upset you. I twas humour anyway dohhhhhhhhhh
@@mattprater8828 tommy tallarico said that he made the roblox oof sound, worked on hundreds of video games, was on mtv cribs, and had 7 guinness world records. none of this is true
That ending where he's constantly being reminded to only answer the question, is so so telling. He can't just answer the question, because he's lying, and he needs to twist everything to fit his narrative. If you're telling the truth, you can answer those questions easy.
Okay...
Not in the slightest saying Billy is not lying...
"If you're telling the truth, you can answer those questions easy."
This is a STRAIGHT UP untruth... People who aren't lying can have massive problems answering questions, because you are also doing this in a legal framework, and you have to consider HOW you answer the question.
This is one of those "It sounds good", but only on the surface, until you realize that innocent people can be extremely stressed, afraid, and far more... Human beings aren't rational machines that acts in certain ways due to certain conditions that is universal for everyone.
@@SioxerNikita Innocent people still generally answer legal questions easier than someone who's actively trying to formulate a lie to cover their ass. Obviously there are outiliers and exceptions, but I don't think anyone needed you to argue that people aren't all the same. We're already aware of that.
@@SatanicBarbeque Yeah, still makes ops take bullshit.
@@SatanicBarbequeMOST people have a terrible time answering questions in depositions. People are used to giving a narrative. They’re not used to precise questions. Add that to them already being defensive because it’s the other side asking, so they’re trying to suss out the underlying WHY of every question, and all the prep in the world won’t stop them from sounding ridiculous.
@@SioxerNikita That still doesn't make your obvious bullshit necessary to share. Welcome to the painfully average group of people. You will never say anything that hasn't already been said before
There's only one possibility that Billy is innocent that occurs to me, knowing how a bunch of different video stuff works. The literal only possibility for him is if all of his gameplay was recorded using a direct capture device that was designed to only out put full frames. In this case meaning that it buffers the entire frame and then sends that out as video. If Billy had a custom video capture device commissioned from someone it's possible that they could have made a device that did this a couple of ways. One of which could be by cannibalizing the ADC from an LCD display of the time. I would need to see what the original Donkey Kong from the arcade cabinet looks like when someone did something blasphemous like putting an LCD into the arcade cabinet instead of a CRT. Something that no one would do today with the knowledge of how LCD's and CRT's mechanically differ, but something that someone might have done in the early 2000's.
Even in this scenario it doesn't guarantee that you'd get a result that looked the same as MAME output, but you would get something that at least slightly more closely resembled MAME than Arcade most likely
The weird thing is that like... Billy is REALLY good at these games. If he settled on being really damn good rather than lying to be "the best" than this whole thing wouldn't have happened.
Some people are never happy with anything, and one good hit just becomes an addiction and crave more.
The perceived "success" is a palpable addiction in this man.
Yeah I mean I haven't finished the video yet but his Pac-Man score has to be legit, right? That was in the early 80s before you could emulate shit.
Be happy being the best at Pac-Man, dude. You don't need to be the best at every retro video game.
2 be honest its real hard 2 be among the best but not the best i couldn´t pass the top 100 in hearthstone and it hurts much more than being silver or bronze in any other game when you actually are talented in a game you become so comparative that being one of the best is not good enough any more
The best cheaters are always above average players.
@@wisemage0 Very true. I played Magic professionally for 5 years and the 3 high profile cheaters caught in that time were very solid players in their own right. One was even a hall of famer!
Thank you for this video. This has to be the most comprehesive video I've seen covering this scandal. You've helped me more completely understand the actual footage. Well done.
Mitchell's gross mouth noises during that SFGE thing are infuriating.
Dude I've never wanted to shove a microphone down someone's throat so bad in my life!
After unplugging it of course 🤢
The way he talks into microphones was, by leaps and bounds, the most difficult part of watching this video. He's so astoundingly bad at it.
Hey let's not body shame the guy. That's uncalled for.
Honestly, I'd say that's 70/30 the fault of the sound technician - you can get rid of most of that noise. Still, I do wonder if he (Billy) deliberately exaggerated that as a way to focus people's attention on that rather than his arguments/defenses. I've seen people do it in video conferences... not often, but more often than I'd expect?
😂@@BoleDaPole😂