Tiller Truck vs Platform Making A Left-hand Turn

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  • Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
  • Tractor drawn aerial makes a left hand-turn followed by a straight frame aerial platform.

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  • @mskapyak17
    @mskapyak17 3 года назад +42

    Platform: struggles to get around corner
    Tiller: *hold my beer*

  • @Mark-em5zm
    @Mark-em5zm 3 года назад +101

    Keep in mind that tiller is anywhere from 3-6’ longer even taking the basket into consideration. This is why I hate the rear mount with a basket it’s like driving around with a Prius hanging in front of you.

    • @kennethelsbury2857
      @kennethelsbury2857 3 года назад +3

      Always loved trying to see the traffic light change, especially if it's a smaller intersection and you're the first row.

    • @maxwellclark6992
      @maxwellclark6992 3 года назад +2

      I personally am more of a fan of mid mount towers

    • @mircoh.8367
      @mircoh.8367 3 года назад +8

      I'm sorry but if I look at this it is just a pure design flaw. European turntable ladders are all rear-mounts, they're a lot shorter, newer ones have rear axle steering and the ladder is placed at the very rear. The one in the video at least is wasting a ton of space by having the ladder mounted so far in front.

    • @mircoh.8367
      @mircoh.8367 3 года назад

      @Friendly Polar Bear You do realize Was talking about the same ladder size though?

    • @Sheppart92
      @Sheppart92 3 года назад

      Thats only because American Companys who build those Tower Trucks with Baskets still dont use and build collapsible Baskets, like the Rest of the World uses them ( and especially Companys like Rosenbauer and Metz are building them since over 20 Years now)
      Example for a New L32 XS3 from Rosenbauer for a Fire Department called Mori here in Germany(You can watch it without the annoying Music): ruclips.net/video/pmCLMGZmGcw/видео.html&ab_channel=FeuerwehrMori
      I know that there are Difference for the use of those Things between America and the Rest of the World, but there should be a Reason why those Designs are worldwide used, while America is still the only Country ( there are some poorer Countrys that also dont have such good Equipment but that is something different) who uses Ladder Trucks like in this Video.

  • @joegaito702
    @joegaito702 10 месяцев назад +6

    Let's stop and honor and appreciate the firemen who proudly serve us your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated thanks great job great catches as usual still going strong way to go great looking tower very impressed buy them a soda or something they deserve alot of credit you guys rock thanks ! Joe

  • @PghDon77
    @PghDon77 3 года назад +90

    The tiller makes it look so easy 😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @joelmumie519
      @joelmumie519 3 года назад +3

      Tiller doesn't "make it look easy"...its the truth

    • @j81870
      @j81870 2 года назад

      But it can't put out a fire. I has to have help doubling the cost to the taxpayers.

    • @landonroush73_yt62
      @landonroush73_yt62 2 года назад +1

      @@j81870 yes it can if you put a pump on it

    • @dweebteambuilderjones7627
      @dweebteambuilderjones7627 2 года назад

      The perks of having driving wheels at both ends.

    • @tahfy1615
      @tahfy1615 Год назад +1

      @joe ain’t gonna be no fire if they have to back up and turn every time they make more than a 90 degree angle

  • @ptmy8590
    @ptmy8590 2 года назад +14

    This never gets old.

    • @mikemike4973
      @mikemike4973 4 месяца назад

      it gets older every day just like everything

  • @subjectc7505
    @subjectc7505 3 года назад +7

    My Town needs a tiller😹it's very tight on some streets here

  • @joegaito702
    @joegaito702 2 года назад +1

    Good looking tower like the style way to go your service is deeply appreciated thanks take best wishes to everyone who responds keep up the good ! Joe

  • @Brian-gw6di
    @Brian-gw6di Год назад +2

    I'd still rather work from a platform rather than a straight stick. I love the look of a rear mount platform but a mid mount platform is the better choice. You don't have to worry about tree branches , low wires and better visibility.

  • @Rudiger265
    @Rudiger265 3 года назад +13

    If your going to do a comparison test don't fake it. There was plenty of street left to go forward when the platform started its turn. I'm not saying it would have made it, but at least give it a fair shot.

  • @joegaito702
    @joegaito702 Год назад +1

    They make it look so efftorsly great looking tower like the style way to go your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated thanks don't work to hard love you guys job well done you should be amazed and proud way to go ! Joe

  • @lancebyrd7699
    @lancebyrd7699 3 года назад +23

    So we set up the platform in a turn it shouldn’t have been driven through. Go down an intersection where there is no tree. Know your territory. There are huge advantages to having a bucket, water, and pump. Both have their uses. It does not have to be one over the other.

  • @graememckay9972
    @graememckay9972 7 месяцев назад +1

    1st truck made it look harder than it was. Could've pushed through those branches with the basket. The property owner would've sued because, well, Murica.

  • @phipsd8388
    @phipsd8388 3 года назад +10

    Well, in germany our ladders are a lot more compact but taller anyways (That doesn’t mean your equipment is trash, every firefighter is doing a great job!). That’s why we don’t have these problems with turns like that

    • @azul8811
      @azul8811 3 года назад +7

      Yes, your Ladder Trucks _are_ a lot more compact and some reach a lot higher, which can be quite advantageous. But I believe that most are typically staffed by only 2 people. And to the best of my knowledge they aren't utilized as "rolling toolboxes" like many of the Ladder Trucks here in the States. This is in no way a criticism, I'm just pointing reasons for the difference in the size.
      I am most familiar with the FDNY here in NYC, and all of their 143 Ladder Companies are staffed with 6 people, including the Company Officer. And the assigned duties of Ladder Companies ("Truck Companies") are many. In addition to laddering they perform forcible entry, ventilation, search & rescue, overhaul, securing of gas, electric and water utilities, vehicle extrications, operating elevator emergencies, etc., etc. Therefore they are obliged to carry many tools, thus necessitating a lot more space on their trucks.
      Back in the 1960s the FDNY purchased two 144' Magirus ladders and they were mounted to a Mack chassis. High Ladder 1 & High Ladder 2. Ultimately it was decided to remain with using 100' aerials.

    • @phipsd8388
      @phipsd8388 3 года назад +9

      @@azul8811 yup, everything of what youve said is 100% true. Our ladders are staffed with 2 or 3 people. There are some with 6 people too, but especially at airports or big chemical industries. In Germany for equipment we have the „rüstwagen“ which can be translated as „equipment truck“. These badboys are filled with tons of equipment.
      Thanks for your very detailed comment, I really appreciate that!
      It’s always super interesting to talk about fire services all around the world as there are so many differences in tactics, equipment etc.

    • @lincolntrains2639
      @lincolntrains2639 3 года назад

      @@azul8811 A very well put and detailed comment, I would like to add though that your US ladder companies act in a similar way to our (UK) Pump (Or as you would call them engines) do, our pumps carry vehicle extrication, a small amount of water and rope rescue equipment, Ventilation, general tools, medical supplies and backboards etc. I believe that the system of using the pump as the all round tool for the job is best as you rarely need a large Turntable Ladder or ALP on a generic call. This is why where I live in the UK our pumps at the main stations are crewed 24/7 by people there at the station, the second pump or ALP is crewed by retained staff (Retained meaning on call with a pager), This system enables most calls to be attended by a small, nimble and compact apparatus with most equipment to deal with the most common calls; All our specialist units where I am are on retained crewing ( Technical rescue, Water rescue, ALP, Breathing Apparatus support and Incident command units). Also, certain units that are only used on the rare occasion are on prime movers, These vehicles are ones which can change which vehicle they are with a sort of roll on-roll off system, The pods which attach to these prime movers are USAR (Urban Search and Rescue), HVP (High Volume Pump), Hose layers and Hazmat/CBRNE units.

    • @jacobcoles4163
      @jacobcoles4163 3 года назад

      It’s called NFPA in the USA

  • @joegaito702
    @joegaito702 Год назад +2

    Great looking tower like the style your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated thanks to everyone who responds keep them safe out there job well done you should be proud love respect and appreciate you guys thanks great catch as usual ! Joe

  • @BTL812
    @BTL812 3 года назад +4

    I was literally just thinking of what the advantages of a TDA vs a typical aerial were aside from storage space... I think RUclips is reading my mind

  • @thecrazygermanheinz3836
    @thecrazygermanheinz3836 8 месяцев назад +3

    OK, I'm a big TDA guy but either the crew on the tower was exaggerting to make a point or the operator can;t drive for sh#t.

  • @joegaito702
    @joegaito702 3 года назад +1

    Great looking torew

  • @kezneki
    @kezneki 2 года назад +2

    tiller just finessed that corner

  • @gegessen159
    @gegessen159 6 месяцев назад +1

    How high do both ladders go? I would have loved an European ladder truck in comparison, too. They seem significantly shorter than the first truck, e.g. the basket is folded and takes less space in front of the drive

  • @txguy8369
    @txguy8369 3 года назад +2

    That first truck must kill their response times. When making turns like this.

  • @tsaffran
    @tsaffran 7 месяцев назад +1

    sorry, but if it's a fire I'm taking that brush out with that basket
    it's not gonna hurt it

  • @Meddawg799
    @Meddawg799 3 года назад +7

    You should have a mid mount go through it as well.

  • @rogmorts1
    @rogmorts1 3 года назад +12

    Articulation and 2 points of steering is always going to be more maneuverable

    • @cakearmy_maxgaming6346
      @cakearmy_maxgaming6346 3 года назад +1

      They probably were using this video to justify to their department the higher cost and expense of a tiller.

    • @rogmorts1
      @rogmorts1 Год назад

      @L.K.1985 we seem to do ok without those trucks in the UK and Europe, so I'd say the one that is fit for purpose.

  • @christopheryowell1981
    @christopheryowell1981 Год назад +1

    Is it possible to have a platform arial on a tiller?

  • @chromiumphotography5138
    @chromiumphotography5138 3 года назад +4

    Just go left over the grass aiming for the left of the porch (?) and there will be no problem, Some lawn versus getting to the emergency is no contest. Love both the platform and tiller.

    • @landonroush73_yt62
      @landonroush73_yt62 2 года назад +1

      You can’t just go over someone’s front lawn

    • @ptmy8590
      @ptmy8590 2 года назад

      @@landonroush73_yt62 Actually, it looks like they would be going through the right of way so it is not their lawn.

  • @junebug9594
    @junebug9594 3 года назад +4

    About 2mm from that dumpster on the right

    • @f650gsnj
      @f650gsnj 3 года назад

      which conveniently got moved between takes. Don't get me wrong, I see the advantages. But fair is fair. Would have had to get out while on that line with the tractor drawn and move the can.... or tap it and roll on an emergent call

  • @JamesEllison69
    @JamesEllison69 2 года назад

    So much longer yet better at manuaverbility.

    • @wallbanga
      @wallbanga 10 месяцев назад

      But in every other way shittier 🤣 plus you could buy a rear axle steered version instead of a Tiller ladder truck.

  • @jamesrader3329
    @jamesrader3329 Год назад

    It's not the truck but it's the people

  • @thebluehotel426
    @thebluehotel426 3 года назад +1

    Bravo!

  • @urbanjeeper9939
    @urbanjeeper9939 3 года назад +5

    If you had a mid mount platform you could’ve made it in one shot. Rear mount typically have a longer wheelbase

    • @karlreinke
      @karlreinke 2 года назад +4

      100% correct. FDNY maneuvers those big Seagrave Aerialscopes through some pretty tight areas just fine.

  • @mattressing4843
    @mattressing4843 3 года назад +7

    Who else thought that he was going to hit the trash can with teh end of the tiller

  • @DaRealH2
    @DaRealH2 2 года назад

    On it's face I'm like Tiller truck def won't make it....shows just how important a tiller driver is wow

  • @trooperjordon5475
    @trooperjordon5475 2 года назад +2

    Nobody:
    Me: *waiting for the tiller to crash*
    Also me: *forgetting that the tilller is unstoppable*

  • @susanallen1100
    @susanallen1100 2 года назад

    Awesome.

  • @waterfall3
    @waterfall3 3 года назад +5

    They could’ve just cut through the grass. They had so much clearance on the left before the pole. 0:07 You guys may worry about grass or property but in an emergency, saving lives matters more. Operating an emergency vehicle, I know my rig’s limitation and what it can do.

    • @ivanovmarcell4486
      @ivanovmarcell4486 2 года назад +5

      You go on grass and this thing will sink like a rock. What is the weight of a truck like that? The weight bearing of wet grass is about 2 tons, dry grass can be anything up to 10 tons. Forget leaving the tarmac if you don't want to get stuck. Maybe you should build smaller rigs as we do in Europe....

  • @LancasterResponding
    @LancasterResponding 3 года назад +5

    Not to brag but our 21 year old 105’ Quint has Pierce All Steer and has put the local tiller company to shame many times with our ability to turn and get positioning.

    • @cfl941
      @cfl941 2 года назад

      hmmmmmmmm, i can confirm this opinion, perhaps we would be talking about the same truck if you purchased this Pierce used about 7 years ago...

    • @LancasterResponding
      @LancasterResponding 2 года назад

      @@cfl941 No we bought ours new

    • @ptmy8590
      @ptmy8590 2 года назад

      Nice.

  • @cartman4885
    @cartman4885 3 года назад

    Mad skills..............

  • @nalendraalif1116
    @nalendraalif1116 7 месяцев назад

    What is the title of the music

  • @dilyarakish3572
    @dilyarakish3572 3 года назад

    Tillers are the best.

  • @paulofelipebbraga9634
    @paulofelipebbraga9634 4 месяца назад

    Drift Tiller.

  • @LordLucariosLair
    @LordLucariosLair Год назад

    Which platform has the longest ladder?

    • @coneplato6702
      @coneplato6702 Год назад

      Most of them have similar length which often from 90-110 feet. Currently about 140 is the tallest.

  • @michaelkozlowski7795
    @michaelkozlowski7795 3 года назад

    no shit 3o years on a tiller there great

  • @alexandermakrianis
    @alexandermakrianis 3 года назад +1

    How about comparing a rear mount tower to a mid-mount? I bet a mid-mount could make that turn without any issues.

  • @TheBenghaziRabbit
    @TheBenghaziRabbit 3 года назад +1

    wow.

  • @truckie6740
    @truckie6740 3 года назад +2

    that's what we do.. when you're good at what you do....

  • @000Responses
    @000Responses 3 года назад +1

    In Australia we got no tillers, only Ladder Platforms 😂

  • @Wiikendzgoodmix
    @Wiikendzgoodmix 3 года назад +4

    Maybe dont make them bigger than they need to be, or atleast use steering axles on the rear with the normal rigid..

    • @subjectc7505
      @subjectc7505 3 года назад +3

      How are they going to carry everything? That's why ladder truck are big.

    • @robmoney4life
      @robmoney4life 3 года назад +1

      Wtf are u staying its a ladder truck it needs to be big 😑

  • @niewol5500
    @niewol5500 2 месяца назад

    👍

  • @va3xj
    @va3xj 3 года назад +1

    Nuf said!

  • @mikesturboss
    @mikesturboss 3 года назад

    I’m liking the music more than the video

  • @anhdixega
    @anhdixega 2 года назад

    Aerial Platform its hard to go

  • @upmostvideos1817
    @upmostvideos1817 3 года назад +2

    No all steer on the straight truck?

    • @LancasterResponding
      @LancasterResponding 3 года назад

      Love All Steer to death. Our 105’ Rear Mount Straight Stick Quint has gotten into positions the local tiller company could only dream of and its 21 years old. We still get special requested every few years just for the All Steer.

  • @wildcatpride98
    @wildcatpride98 3 года назад

    Fancy

  • @rw9482
    @rw9482 3 года назад +1

    Try a steerable axle - greetings from Germany 🇩🇪

  • @OldLordSpeedy
    @OldLordSpeedy 2 года назад +3

    But normally all U.S.A. streets are wide. Now do you see why we use in Europe smaller apparatus.

  • @Dominick_Calvitto.
    @Dominick_Calvitto. 3 года назад +3

    Should of Just Went down the straight a way Street to the left so you didn't have to make a left.

  • @jimmyjamjar10101
    @jimmyjamjar10101 Год назад

    Are American streets really designed this poorly? 😬

  • @JoeSmoe1
    @JoeSmoe1 3 года назад

    GG

  • @aliciastam8122
    @aliciastam8122 3 года назад +3

    why are you using those bulky big old fire trucks? those things are slow and big. take is an example of Dutch fire trucks.

    • @subjectc7505
      @subjectc7505 3 года назад +3

      The reason american truck's are bigger, because it's a all in one system. Instead of having truck with less storage. Plus that rig isn't old. That's very much new

    • @aliciastam8122
      @aliciastam8122 3 года назад +1

      @@subjectc7505 dutch trucks has also everything all in one system. Watch the speed of american fire truck. it doesn't even progress. Until that bulky truck arrives at 911 emergency call, people have already died.

    • @dweebteambuilderjones7627
      @dweebteambuilderjones7627 2 года назад +1

      @@aliciastam8122 American fire trucks carry tools as well. From what I've seen from the other European commenters, European trucks need an entire extra truck just for the tools. I'm guessing American firefighters decided it was faster for them to bring their equipment on the same truck as themselves.

  • @thejaster4733
    @thejaster4733 2 года назад +1

    It's stupid ad. In Europe, where we have in some places even narrower streets than this, we got normal platform fire trucks, and I don't see any problems.

  • @BA-vq9oj
    @BA-vq9oj 3 года назад +5

    Or just put rear steering on ladder or stop having hugely oversized trucks lol

  • @chrisfield3070
    @chrisfield3070 2 года назад

    Tower couldve made that turn

  • @Speedwolf4170
    @Speedwolf4170 3 года назад

    Case closed

  • @iantaylor6538
    @iantaylor6538 Год назад

    Like the rigid would even do that duri g real emergency!!!! It would just go round the corner and take out a tree and the bin!!............who makes up this shit?

  • @ZackJenkins
    @ZackJenkins 3 года назад

    TOKYO DRIFT

  • @jmWhyMe
    @jmWhyMe 6 месяцев назад

    The tower needs rear steer wheels

  • @thatonenigeriansformula
    @thatonenigeriansformula 2 года назад +1

    Tower ladders are still better looking

  • @jasonwhitaker4883
    @jasonwhitaker4883 3 года назад +2

    Comes down to money not safety and easiest! Ladder truck 500k-750k, tiller truck 1-1.5 million dollars! Politicians only see money not safety. I think you can take NYC as an example but don’t quote me on that since I haven’t done the research but I believe they had more tillers until the 80’s-90’s. Then budget cuts’

    • @meaninglesscog
      @meaninglesscog 3 года назад

      Taxpayers usually only see money and not safety too.

    • @subjectc7505
      @subjectc7505 3 года назад

      NYC is bigger. Also who doesn't like tiller's? It a NYC thing.

    • @johnhill8905
      @johnhill8905 3 года назад +3

      Ladder trucks start at around $800K. Tillers start at a cool $1M. A Pierce Ascendent 100' on a single axle would of made that turn easily. And no I don't work for Pierce.

    • @shopguy779
      @shopguy779 2 года назад

      @@subjectc7505 Fdny has plenty of tillers.

  • @andrekhang4693
    @andrekhang4693 3 года назад

    Well damn next thing we’ll see is all fire trucks with rear wheel drive

  • @04u2cY
    @04u2cY 2 года назад

    Did they practice not to hit the garbage can or got extremely lucky.

  • @emeraldzebra9360
    @emeraldzebra9360 3 года назад +2

    This is total horseshit. The fact the Rigid has a huge basket overhang isn't really a fair comparison. Use one without that overhang and they are far better than Tillers. As much as I love Tillers they are crap at some jobs, and vice versa

  • @kingdeadeye9163
    @kingdeadeye9163 3 года назад +1

    The ladder could’ve just went on the grass if you ask me

  • @jayshown_off_limits6771
    @jayshown_off_limits6771 3 года назад +1

    That's a ladder truck, not a tiller.

    • @dweebteambuilderjones7627
      @dweebteambuilderjones7627 2 года назад

      The first one is what people call "ladder trucks", the second is a tiller truck because IT HAS A TILLER (TRAILER) AND ISN'T JUST ONE FRAME.

  • @allenmccoy7656
    @allenmccoy7656 2 года назад

    He turn his front wheels to soon left should have gone father to the far side looks like he did purpose

  • @jacobcoles4163
    @jacobcoles4163 3 года назад

    Not comparing apples to apples here.

  • @jfireman4970
    @jfireman4970 2 года назад

    It's a Ladder truck

  • @wallbanga
    @wallbanga 10 месяцев назад

    Haha! Looks like Tiller is slightly panicking because the platform type trucks are in every other way superior compared to these old fashioned ladder thingies you guys still use in the US. The rest of the World is laughing at you and your ladder trucks 🤣 And you can also buy platform trucks with a steering rear axle to avoid this problem pictured in the video. ruclips.net/video/zd6SwlR5-As/видео.html

  • @LandofLeo1.0
    @LandofLeo1.0 2 года назад

    That’s not a tiller

  • @sheltonnewton1606
    @sheltonnewton1606 3 года назад +2

    Could of made that turn easily just ain’t got enough driving experience

    • @AlleyCat643
      @AlleyCat643 3 года назад +4

      You must fill out lots of accident reports

  • @thesocialjusticegunrack3118
    @thesocialjusticegunrack3118 3 года назад +3

    lmao so staged. no ones getting out to back up the rig going to a job.

    • @Mark-em5zm
      @Mark-em5zm 3 года назад +1

      We have had to back up on narrow streets in our district several times with our ladder. Our city finally got two tillers for this exact same reason and our rear mount platform is going away for a pierce ascendant 100’ mid mount platform.

    • @KMRN-nx8hw
      @KMRN-nx8hw 3 года назад +2

      Lmao you’re a doofus, Gun Rack. Yes, it happens.

    • @OJdidit93905
      @OJdidit93905 3 года назад +1

      Well of course it’s staged genius it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

    • @KMRN-nx8hw
      @KMRN-nx8hw 3 года назад +2

      Yes this time it was staged, but it does happen in real life. Probably a lot on this same exact corner.

    • @maddawg4599
      @maddawg4599 3 года назад +2

      staged? going to a job? it was a side by side comparison as to the turning capabilities or lack thereof of each one. and i can guarantee you had no one got out and spotted the driver backing up in this video people like you would have scorched it! you know, being the social justice warrior you are and all.

  • @antoniogaleano7256
    @antoniogaleano7256 3 года назад

    Good morning j
    I am chief Ale fire department