Cool stuff! I guess the shovel grip might feel more natural, but the over grip seems important to teach as a fundamental. Cuing reminds me of some quarterstaff bits I'd watched, let alone some Chinese spear-fighting too; lots in common between various weapon-based martial arts.
@@kleinjahr Legend has it, he didn't climb under the bridge, but floated under it in a barrel. :-P For those out of the loop. "The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle has it that a giant Norse axeman (possibly armed with a Dane Axe) blocked the narrow crossing and single-handedly held up the entire English army. The story is that this axeman cut down up to 40 Englishmen and was defeated only when an English soldier floated under the bridge in a half-barrel and thrust his spear through the planks in the bridge, mortally wounding the axeman." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stamford_Bridge
Interesting we all thing swords are amazing and look down on other weapons like spears, maces, hammers, axes even though some of them are far superior in combat to the sword. I was wondering are you left handed ? I personally would grab a spear with opposite hands, dominant hand being back and weaker hand being in front for control, not that I ever held a spear I just played with sticks ...
The pole axe is the deadliest weapon. It is a two handed axe, a spear, a war pick, and if you put a mace head on the other end, it is also mace. Every way to attack.
It REALLY depends on your opponent's weapon (and more importantly, reach). Cuing with a two handed spear against pretty much any one handed weapon is fine, you have more than enough time to recover before they can really capitalize on the parry, especially if you retreat while recovering. Against another two handed spear? Yeah, you're dead if the opponent parries.
@@pandorasboxofcatvideos5892 Did you seriously use Google Translate to translate your message into a different language than the one of the comment you are replying to? What's up with that?
Lost me at priority is to be safe. I respect what these people do, but I'm interested in rediscovering historical martial arts, not turning them into sports.
I would check out Faits D'arme's "padded longstick, (182cm)" as well as the "cold steel spear head trainer (clam pack)". I put an additional smaller spear head on the back end of my spear but it's not necessary. "rubber spear head". In total my spear is pushing 7'9" feet. In total my setup is HYPERSAFE and affordable at about 100 in total.
either way the spear head bends at rougly 35-40 N of force, so you can throw some pretty nasty thrusts at your opponent without bending a mask in. OR you could convert a historic helm with a face mesh backed with a high gauge metal fencing. bolted and reinforced. Additional padding/fur lining required. As well as leather straps connecting from chin to chest, and two straps from either side of your spinal cord, from nape to upper back.That way your chest is taking the force, not your face/neck. Doesn't inhibit vision that much, you can take a beating and dish one out. SAFELY. Can't turn your head much, but I took my belting design from the classic great helm. So not really meant to look around with. If you don't want the sports style light pokes, kind of like fencing vs actual side sword dueling. You need to be protected, and you need to protect your sparring partners. Wooden sticks are used around the world as a primary death dealer. Don't take a "practice spear" lightly. it's risky business.
@@nicholasthompson5253 with this I think you go the way longsword did (longsword is by no means perfect, just the closest I'm aware of). Different weapons for different sorts of practice (they sometimes spar lightly with sharp historically accurate swords "safely" for the purposes of understanding the difference of how their tools behave). If this means you have to use a foam tipped spear to practice the techniques in full, so be it. Imo, it's of utmost importance that they train movements and techniques as they would be used in the battlefield or it's just another kendo. One thing that comes to mind is that they need protective gear that replicates battlefield armor since spears are battlefield weapons. In longsword they try to get the most protection they can from equipment that is designed to impede mobility the least as they are trying to replicate unarmored fighting; surely with protective gear designed to replicate armored fighting, it will be much more protective than that. I know this is probably an impossible task because there's no infrastructure or even great enough demand for it--longsword is the only HEMA practice that's popular enough to have that kind of sway as far as I know (it kind of irritates me tbh as I'm more interested in armored combat and reenactment and battle of nations are only what they are--lesser manifestations (no disrespect, what I want is near impossible)); maybe what you described is as good as it's going to get. In the perfect scenario, movement impairment and the weight of historical armor would be studied and highly protective gear would be designed based on that data. Spears were used to kill people in the most protective armor available when proper technique was observed, which is why the protectiveness of the gear has to reenforced in the weak points and the potency of the weapons would need to be mitigated. It needs to be more than just being able to give or take a beating. It needs to be about being able to execute what would've defeated opponents in the battlefields of yesteryear. Quarter staff training tells a person everything they need to know about fighting with a spear in unarmored duels. They've had that bit figured out for centuries, so there's no point in making it a project. Armored polearm martial arts is the project that needs the most research because it's probably the one most lost to us. Basically what I'm saying, and I am just reiterating what I've already written, is that the "safety" component needs to be a combination of the armor and implements used, and not about changing the technique at all, otherwise it's no longer a practical medieval martial art, but another sportified one.
@@sullir9397 You're absolutely right. You lost me at safely too. As soon as you pull a punch, it is no longer a representation of that punch being throw. It's a specifically weakened version. And if a style is entirely founded on these lighter versions, how can it be an effective representation of that style? Kind of takes the H out of HEMA. If it's fought with gear specifically meant to counter the opponents weapon, then I assume the fighters wouldn't be acting the same either. Fighting with, and without a mask is a night/day transition on my fight psyche. So I'm totally picking up what your putting down. Masks were designed for foils. The Hema community has reiterated this design a few times, but it's just not meant for some blows to the head, and getting your bell rung, means brain damage, no matter how hard you get rung. It's about accumulation. So in saying that I never condone for any unarmored or full force sparring. If it's a hobby, don't take shots to the head, without a mask/helmet on. Thank you for your well structured, level headed response, and have a good day sir.
Someone will just approach with shield and deflect spear point. Once inside your spear its over for you. Instead try to use the spear as a bo staff against enemy infantry.
@@desertingdessert938 in a battlefield scenario stepping back may be difficult. In a mass battle where formations have broken, swinging your spear like a bo staff helps deal with multiple opponents at a time. Bo staff "swinging" is more intuitive and instinctive. Its very likely infantry will just deflect your spear point to the side with a shield and the momentum this generates and your intuition to simply swing the butt end of your spear against them is very realistic. You can step back while swinging the butt end of your spear after they deflect your spear point. Only stepping back cant be done forever against a committed opponent who will eventually close the distance and get inside your spear point. "Bo staffing" is powerful as youre using a heavy weapon two handed. In mass formation, pike style fighting is ideal against incoming cavalry. The spear is the king of the battlefield in my opinion
Ni zal Deflecting then moving in fast enough to get past the point before the spearmen has the point ready again is very hard but if they do manage to get past fast enough you will have to then use bo staff technique to try to stay alive long enough until someone helps you.
You may be right, were we talking about a more realistic war scenario :) This is an instructional video, of viking western style fighting, which is a competetive sport. That is why some of the perhaps more authentic aspects, gives way for effeciency within the rules of our sport :) Hope that cleared it up a bit
Cool stuff! I guess the shovel grip might feel more natural, but the over grip seems important to teach as a fundamental. Cuing reminds me of some quarterstaff bits I'd watched, let alone some Chinese spear-fighting too; lots in common between various weapon-based martial arts.
Found a great channel. This was a great video.
i train at home with a short spear in each hand, cant find any historical context buts a fun work out :) no ones taking my bridge
anwe bacaudae you’re lonely
@Dr Boom Then hope no one climbs under the bridge with a spear.
@@kleinjahr Legend has it, he didn't climb under the bridge, but floated under it in a barrel. :-P
For those out of the loop. "The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle has it that a giant Norse axeman (possibly armed with a Dane Axe) blocked the narrow crossing and single-handedly held up the entire English army. The story is that this axeman cut down up to 40 Englishmen and was defeated only when an English soldier floated under the bridge in a half-barrel and thrust his spear through the planks in the bridge, mortally wounding the axeman."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stamford_Bridge
Hahaha I would use one if I could
Watch fate zero.
thank you, i am sharing your video with a few of our groups who have people who really love spears
where is that spearhead from?
Cool video. Was there ever a part 2? :)
Interesting we all thing swords are amazing and look down on other weapons like spears, maces, hammers, axes even though some of them are far superior in combat to the sword. I was wondering are you left handed ? I personally would grab a spear with opposite hands, dominant hand being back and weaker hand being in front for control, not that I ever held a spear I just played with sticks ...
Both Christoffer and Ulrik that appear in the videos are left handed.
The pole axe is the deadliest weapon. It is a two handed axe, a spear, a war pick, and if you put a mace head on the other end, it is also mace. Every way to attack.
Was wondering about that as well as I am left handed myself and fight exactly with the grip illustrated in the videos.
Nice tips!
This video was amazing. I mean, I was learning Filipino spear fighting but I can do msf if that exists
Where can I purchase the sleeves and arm-elbow protectors you are wearing on the video???
Where exactly do you get your spears my brother? Hail Odin!
The spears are handmade by different blacksmiths in the community, and you can find them at most larger events in Scandinavia.
where did you get the spear head?
Not sure about cuing, might be fine if done in a formation, but in a one on one I am guessing that if it gets parried you are basically dead.
Yes! Spears are not ideal for one on one combat :)
It REALLY depends on your opponent's weapon (and more importantly, reach). Cuing with a two handed spear against pretty much any one handed weapon is fine, you have more than enough time to recover before they can really capitalize on the parry, especially if you retreat while recovering. Against another two handed spear? Yeah, you're dead if the opponent parries.
Is this training for like HEMA or Historical Medieval Battle? And how is hitting hard a bad thing?
This is training for western style viking fight. It is meant to be fought with a minimum of protective gear.
Also, you don't wanna skewer your viking buddies. Kinda hard to ease that out over a cup of mead.
Ulfhednar there an a my brother
这个嘛 我只能说你姿势不对 没有用腰力 这算是中西枪术的根本区别了。 不用腰力怎么会有杀伤力呢
文法が悪いとごめんなさい。私は英語を話すので、翻訳アプリを使わなければなりませんでした。
彼は腕の動きを見せているだけで、視聴者が腰を使うことを知っていると想定していると思います。私がヨーロッパの学校で見た槍のテクニックのほとんどは腰を使っています。
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@@pandorasboxofcatvideos5892 👍 thumbs up babe
@@pandorasboxofcatvideos5892 Did you seriously use Google Translate to translate your message into a different language than the one of the comment you are replying to? What's up with that?
Lost me at priority is to be safe. I respect what these people do, but I'm interested in rediscovering historical martial arts, not turning them into sports.
I would check out Faits D'arme's "padded longstick, (182cm)" as well as the "cold steel spear head trainer (clam pack)". I put an additional smaller spear head on the back end of my spear but it's not necessary. "rubber spear head". In total my spear is pushing 7'9" feet. In total my setup is HYPERSAFE and affordable at about 100 in total.
140 if you're spending in American.
either way the spear head bends at rougly 35-40 N of force, so you can throw some pretty nasty thrusts at your opponent without bending a mask in. OR you could convert a historic helm with a face mesh backed with a high gauge metal fencing. bolted and reinforced. Additional padding/fur lining required. As well as leather straps connecting from chin to chest, and two straps from either side of your spinal cord, from nape to upper back.That way your chest is taking the force, not your face/neck. Doesn't inhibit vision that much, you can take a beating and dish one out. SAFELY. Can't turn your head much, but I took my belting design from the classic great helm. So not really meant to look around with. If you don't want the sports style light pokes, kind of like fencing vs actual side sword dueling. You need to be protected, and you need to protect your sparring partners. Wooden sticks are used around the world as a primary death dealer. Don't take a "practice spear" lightly. it's risky business.
@@nicholasthompson5253 with this I think you go the way longsword did (longsword is by no means perfect, just the closest I'm aware of). Different weapons for different sorts of practice (they sometimes spar lightly with sharp historically accurate swords "safely" for the purposes of understanding the difference of how their tools behave). If this means you have to use a foam tipped spear to practice the techniques in full, so be it. Imo, it's of utmost importance that they train movements and techniques as they would be used in the battlefield or it's just another kendo. One thing that comes to mind is that they need protective gear that replicates battlefield armor since spears are battlefield weapons. In longsword they try to get the most protection they can from equipment that is designed to impede mobility the least as they are trying to replicate unarmored fighting; surely with protective gear designed to replicate armored fighting, it will be much more protective than that. I know this is probably an impossible task because there's no infrastructure or even great enough demand for it--longsword is the only HEMA practice that's popular enough to have that kind of sway as far as I know (it kind of irritates me tbh as I'm more interested in armored combat and reenactment and battle of nations are only what they are--lesser manifestations (no disrespect, what I want is near impossible)); maybe what you described is as good as it's going to get. In the perfect scenario, movement impairment and the weight of historical armor would be studied and highly protective gear would be designed based on that data. Spears were used to kill people in the most protective armor available when proper technique was observed, which is why the protectiveness of the gear has to reenforced in the weak points and the potency of the weapons would need to be mitigated. It needs to be more than just being able to give or take a beating. It needs to be about being able to execute what would've defeated opponents in the battlefields of yesteryear. Quarter staff training tells a person everything they need to know about fighting with a spear in unarmored duels. They've had that bit figured out for centuries, so there's no point in making it a project. Armored polearm martial arts is the project that needs the most research because it's probably the one most lost to us. Basically what I'm saying, and I am just reiterating what I've already written, is that the "safety" component needs to be a combination of the armor and implements used, and not about changing the technique at all, otherwise it's no longer a practical medieval martial art, but another sportified one.
@@sullir9397 You're absolutely right. You lost me at safely too. As soon as you pull a punch, it is no longer a representation of that punch being throw. It's a specifically weakened version. And if a style is entirely founded on these lighter versions, how can it be an effective representation of that style? Kind of takes the H out of HEMA. If it's fought with gear specifically meant to counter the opponents weapon, then I assume the fighters wouldn't be acting the same either. Fighting with, and without a mask is a night/day transition on my fight psyche. So I'm totally picking up what your putting down. Masks were designed for foils. The Hema community has reiterated this design a few times, but it's just not meant for some blows to the head, and getting your bell rung, means brain damage, no matter how hard you get rung. It's about accumulation. So in saying that I never condone for any unarmored or full force sparring. If it's a hobby, don't take shots to the head, without a mask/helmet on. Thank you for your well structured, level headed response, and have a good day sir.
Someone will just approach with shield and deflect spear point. Once inside your spear its over for you.
Instead try to use the spear as a bo staff against enemy infantry.
Or you can step back.
@@desertingdessert938 in a battlefield scenario stepping back may be difficult. In a mass battle where formations have broken, swinging your spear like a bo staff helps deal with multiple opponents at a time. Bo staff "swinging" is more intuitive and instinctive. Its very likely infantry will just deflect your spear point to the side with a shield and the momentum this generates and your intuition to simply swing the butt end of your spear against them is very realistic. You can step back while swinging the butt end of your spear after they deflect your spear point.
Only stepping back cant be done forever against a committed opponent who will eventually close the distance and get inside your spear point. "Bo staffing" is powerful as youre using a heavy weapon two handed.
In mass formation, pike style fighting is ideal against incoming cavalry. The spear is the king of the battlefield in my opinion
Ni zal in a battlefield scenario you would also have other spearmen alongside you
Ni zal Deflecting then moving in fast enough to get past the point before the spearmen has the point ready again is very hard but if they do manage to get past fast enough you will have to then use bo staff technique to try to stay alive long enough until someone helps you.
You may be right, were we talking about a more realistic war scenario :)
This is an instructional video, of viking western style fighting, which is a competetive sport. That is why some of the perhaps more authentic aspects, gives way for effeciency within the rules of our sport :)
Hope that cleared it up a bit