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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- NOTE: My opponent was found to have used computer assistance in this game and was subsequently banned (imgur.com/7l2Ifuu). Although I was likely playing against Stockfish, I decided to post the video anyway because it was an instructive game. Please note that it is never acceptable to cheat in chess (online or otherwise), and the chess community unanimously abhors such behavior.
I've tried the 5.a3 Austrian Attack before ( • Standard Chess #251: I... ), but here I fail to establish a pawn on e5 early on in the game. Black's trade of the dark-square bishop for the knight (12...Bxc3+!?) sets the tone for this encounter.
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Things to learn from chess players:
Confidence: Kasparov
Tactics: Tal
Positions: Karpov
Positive attitude: John Bartholomew
Carlsen is better than Karpov in positions lol
Precision: alejandrocolina
IM Bartholomew is a gentleman in the likes of Paul Murphy
Captures: Agadmator
**Stockfish analyzing the game**
“Wait a minute these are my moves”
Always like how mature you are in these type of situations and, invariably, keep a positive attitude. Keep it up, John.
What do you mean? He literally called him a cheater in the title. The humble stuff he said in the video that he doesn't "want to speculate against poor chess players who played a nice game" means jack shit.
Obviously he was a cheater but John at the end of the day was not humble and there's nothing wrong with that too.
He only titled it as playing a cheater on RUclips after the account was indeed banned for cheating by lichess - read the description. Once that call is made it’s a totally different situation then just throwing out blind accusations on the fly during a stream. John’s a class fuckin’ act.
Guy offers a draw and then turns stockfish on, go figure
LOL, you nailed it. He offers the draw then goes on to winning?!?
He was probably already using Stockfish before the draw offer. He knew John was never going to accept a draw there. It was a troll.
One of the biggest tip offs that you're playing an engine (especially at the sub 2000 level) is when your opponent doesn't make the obvious and crushing move (for example, winning your hanging bishop) but instead makes the totally unobvious and EVEN MORE crushing move that would take a bunch of complicated analysis to justify. If an ordinary online player in a three minute game is passing on simple and powerful moves in order to play artistic moves that a postal chess master would discover only after three hour's thought, he's a fucking cheat.
@@ConeDaRagusa A cheat defending a cheat.
I disagree, even 1500 players can find simple intermezzos and turn a won piece into a won piece plus a pawn. Rd2 would not have taken a master 3 hours to find, that's just silly. The much more obvious sign is that every single move was played relatively quickly, the time management in general makes it blatantly obvious.
Enis Hrustić Try playing stockfish yourself. Not as easy as it looks
Enis Hrustić Yeah, but pretty much all of Johns opponents moves were straight out of stockfish. Also, a 2200 player is great, but nowhere comparable to Magnus Carlsen or even John. Plus the guy was banned from chess.com for engine abuse
@@ConeDaRagusa he played against a calculated opposition, it's the computer making him look bad. you IDIOT.
I watched this game live! (sstuntz40) It was obvious he was cheating when it only took him three minutes to play a perfect game against an IM. Nonetheless, the same great content is as always appreciated!
I like how John even used lower case 'c' for cheater in the title. 0 respect given ;)
Isn't that just the gramatically correct thing to write the sentence? Cheater isn't a name, why wouldn't it be lower case?
@@Dragonoid269 don’t take it too seriously 😐
hey john! this is why people (includes me) like you. you are sharing vids although you've losed. i mean not for this one, he is cheater as mentioned. you're at peace with yourself with all aspects. i've seen lots of chess streamers and youtubers but it is something about the personality not just only playing chess well. thank you for this and the things you did that contributes my interest to chess. sincere respects to you :)
These cheaters aren't even clever enough to wait a couple of minutes from time to time, to make it look like they're thinking... lol
I love how unquestioning you are throughout the game. you play it without a hint of speculation. only once the game ends and the community agrees, do you decide to, rightfully, call him a cheater. Well played Bartholomew.
Yeah. He knows whenever he's playing a cheater though, he's just professional enough not to say anything about it. The early mysterious draw offer is typical of cheaters - they are desperate for a good result (draw or win) against a titled player.
Some RUclipsrs however are not so professional and will very quickly accuse their opponents of cheating.
Aleph, you have expressed everything I wanted to say perfectly. I also thought the early draw offer was strange. The fact he was blitzing out his moves and then offered a draw when his opponent was taking a long time suggested he was just some inpatient cheat with an engine. John, all credit to you for not calling him out. I admire your professionalism. As you say, Aleph, other streamers would have been quick to insult him.
As for deciding to call him a cheater, I imagine he did it when Lichess confirmed it via cheating detection tools.
kingscrusher wouldve reported him at move 10
lol
You're the best chess instructor on youtube
Unfortunate that people have to cheat, on the other hand I wouldn't mind seeing you play a few games against Stockfish, maybe with an advantage, to mix up the stream Keep up the great work!!!
i dont know if you figured it out, but I think you played this position in bullet chess #277 on ICC, game 2
John Bartholomew... Sharp, composed, and incredibly modest. You are classy on a level well beyond reproach.
Audio a little echo-ey; not sure why that happened. I'll try to fix it for next time.
John Bartholomew will you sub to my channel please I love your channel it has really helped my game also I would love to play you in real life
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I'm not a sales rep, I promise :)
John Bartholomew do you coach remote?
pls make more standard videos I am addicted!
and tis also very beneficial to see how you think in chess.
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Lo and behold! That player has been labeled as a cheater by Lichess! :D
Sujoy Sen Gupta Do you know how that works on lichess? I mean, does lichess give us an option to report it we believe someone cheated? There's no such option in chesscom, so was wondering if lichess had it.
Yes, Lichess does give you the option to report someone for cheating. They recommend that before you do so, you first use their computer analysis tool. I have reported several cheaters, and I've always turned out to be right, but I use the analysis machine first, and if it shows they've made several mistakes then they're probably not a computer.
Pradeep K the option is now there at chess com
Pretty good play against stockfish. Very instructive.
Comment of a cheater.
profd65 he’s joking
"Oh boy, a titled player! Time to impress him and all the spectators by cheating in a game where everyone knows if you're cheating."
Stockfish played a nice game. John you handle these cheaters real well!! Its nice to see that not everyone deals with it in a bad and or negative way.
Thanks for posting this, and sorry you had to put up with a cheater.
You are such a class act. Seriously, I am not sure I could be so calm and cool in the same circumstances.
Johnny B back in action. You should bring e4 back into your repertoire, man.
It's still instructive to see how good engines are these days.
It's not instructive in the least: everybody already fucking knew how good engines were. Don't tell me you're also a cheat?
profd65 how does this comment imply he’s a cheat
is alejandro a boy from egypt?
Hi John. Christof Sielecki has started playing games with similar time controls on lichess lately. He also struggles to find decent opposition. Perhaps you two should sit down and play some games for your respective channels?
Great idea.
sterlinguini pretty sure they have...
+8 They've recorded long games between themselves for their channels? I'm aware that they've played a match earlier, but this isn't what I'm suggesting. Both seem to focus more on longer games lately, and both struggles to find decent opponents. So it seems like they playing and recording some long games would be a perfect solution.
That's a great idea. Like once a month or something.
Your unflappable composure is really to be admired. I feel like you would make a good astronaut.
a perfect game:
alejandrocolina+21
0 Inaccuracies
0 Mistakes
0 Blunders
11 Average centipawn loss
knowing he was using a computer before watching made this so painful to watch, but also really impressive how well you calculated damage control in the early middlegame
Thanks for posting! As a pirc player I found this very instructive.
You definitely handled this in the most professional way - that I could imagine given all that happened !! Congrats!! Subbed! Liked!!
Such people are disgusting... I really like how you handled this unpleasant situation Jhon, you're inspiring! Keep it up with your great videos!
Great video, John! I'm proud to say I saw Re7+ by black. :)
Awesome attitude John given end position! Thanks for sharing this.
Great video. Too bad it ended up being against a cheater. I appreciate you posting the losses as well as the wins; it helps humanize the game of chess and shows that even in losing there is a lot to learn.
lol!! You technically played a piece down(light squared bishop) against stockfish.
Very instructive game...you played well
Great video, really respect how you handled that loss albeit to a computer. Most players i know as well as streamers start whining and making hints the moment they start losing. You learn more from losses and lichess handles the cheaters. It's not the end of the world, nor is losing some rating points. That bishop a2 move tho.......
Hey @John Bartholomew kudos to you for great instructive videos, I am learning many things about chess.
I have a suggestion for your next video though, probably you can do a video with one of your student or any low rated player and go through his thinking and your suggestions on moves or strategy!
Cheers, and keep up your great work!
In retrospect, the disparate time on the clock was a clue. JB you are dignity and grace.
Even against an engine, John stays level headed and doesn't name call or bash. Stand up guy!
Very instructive game! I've been subscribed since roughly 10k subscribers but now you're nearly at 40k, was there a giant spike recently or am I just not noticing things?!
This is the reason I dont play classical with people I dont know personally.
And as always, great stuff!
I can't Belgrave how mature he handled this when his oponet was without a doubt using an engine . good job sir.
I always suspect when there's zero inaccuracies. A human, even strong GMs always make 1 at least.
It's like, if you're a titled player and you play a flawless game in your pet line, sure, whatever, if you're not titled and you play a flawless game in a weird, complicated middle game from a non theoretical opening... who exactly are you trying to fool again?
Gonçalo Almeida Yes! It was just today that I played probably my most sound chess ever. It was a 31 moves game(white resigned after playing move 32) and I was pleased to find I had 2 inaccuracies, 0 mistake, 0 blunder and ACPL of 14.
Um... johns played plenty of 0 0 0 games on lichess, in a heavy doesn't mean "not the best move," it means "x centipawns worse than the top move" Recently, I played an otb game with 0 0 0, and I'm just 1550 uscf! (Admittedly, this was against an 1100)
*innaccuracy
Zwish King I once played a 0 0 0 game with 4 acpl no joke
Anand was spectating this game... unbelivable.
i am come on, a triple 0, (zero inaccs, mistakes and blunders) at least make a wrong move on purpose.
Derek Cormier and shot time to make so complex muves
why does one cheat in chess enough people know about it so you can never take credit for it and just as in this case most people caught on before the game was over!? AND YOU GOT BANNED !! people this does nothing for the cheater it is an empty moot point better to be a solid 1500 player than to be a ZERO......
Great as always, specifically the standard games (to better follow up with your thinking), thanks!!
I am girl from egypt
I am girl from Venezuela
Mateus Vitor haha I remember this. Is this the new online chess meme for cheaters?
Mateus Vitor so what?
Mateus Vitor You know you've made it on youtube when you have your own meme culture
Spooky Penguin Where is it from? I tried to google it but got nothing.
thanks john. made my day with another good video. hats off to a perfect* game by your opponent. you still rock!
John you are such a gentleman. A guy plays a perfect game against you using a computer and you are so good natured about it all. Can you imagine what the Ginger GM would say? :D
Even though he's effectively playing a computer. He should not have lost that fast. The move at 9:00 was a weak move. Moving the bishop to D3 or E2 would have made more sense. At least that way you'll still be able to manoeuvre the light squared bishop as the game progresses and not have it effectively boxed in for the rest of the game.
I think is John gives us more insight when playing against computers! We learn better chess :D
fantastic video. i like the way you stayed calm! Incredibly instructive the way you still talked through why you were losing. i think of anyone watches your videos before they play chess they will play so much better
Hey, is there anyway you could do a video on the colle? My friend just discovered the system and I have a hard time playing against. i know it's played a lot at club level but figure it must have weaknesses because it's not played at higher levels. anyway thanks!
You know when someone lower rated than you offers you a draw when u least expect it, you're going down so hard
As long as he uses an engine
Do they return the lost ratings when playing against cheaters that were caught?
yes
FROG dela POND you even get a message about how many points you get restored
Good instructive vid, thanks. At what point did you suspect he was using a computer?
I think at the end there you're best bet was to just take with Bxc3 and eat the -2 points in order to free up your other rook before all your pawns disappear. When there are 3 pieces vs 3 pieces, it is no good having 2 of yours locked up for so long. You end up on the short end of a 3 vs 1 (maybe 2.5 vs 1 arguably) for like 15 turns. Better to just make it 3 vs. 2 imho.
Would you ever consider playing a longer time control like 30+ minutes? We'd all love to see it!
Fun game. I've been playing a lot of cheaters in classical lately as well. It's never a great feeling but still always instructive. Reminiscent of a Karpovian squeeze.
Notifications working great it seems :)
San Guachi Good to hear!
Hey John. I look for you on Lichess but cant seem to find you. Did you leave Lichess?
I agree with John, there's no point in getting excited about it. There's a chess lesson to be learned, so learn that.
John, CE is playing rapid games on lichess about daily now, you guys oughta organize a challenge 😊
Hoss Cartwright Good idea, Hoss! CE and a couple other streamers might be up for Classical.
John Bartholomew Yes. Would love to see a classical game like that between you guys. Chess rivalries don't have to be blitz only.
9. e5 is book, with 9.... Ng4 10. h3 Nh6 with advantage. Or 9... Nh5 10. Kf2 castling by hand with advantage. Once you go queenless, castling is less important. The R on the d-file can only go to d7 for now.
Perhaps his opponent just had a brilliant day.
Dear John, your laugh at a f*cked up position is priceless, btw you have at least one fan from Kazakhstan:)
Here's another game that that user played, against another "engine":
lichess.org/8LHDIT4R/black#58
It was a draw, 4 centipawn lost vs a 3 centipawn loss LOL! :'-D
What exactly does centipawn mean? (Pardon my ignorance)
Blaine Teague All good. pretty sure it refers to the percentage of a pawn (out of a 100) that you lose with each move on average. with a 3 centipawn loss it would take 34 moves for them to lose a pawn's worth of an advantage! Rates under 10 or 20 denote near perfect play.
nice instructive game, its just sad how many cheaters there are. In the endgame, as I play the Austrian attack, e5 is tje general idea in most endgames, though without a3.
alejandrocolina has the big red " This player uses chess computer assistance " on its stinking name in Lichess.
Why did you rule out 11. Nd5 ?
As always, thanks for your great videos, man!
You know it’s fishy when the guy has 14mins and 40 seconds left vs a master who only has 7 mins left
John, seeing as this player was a confirmed cheater would Lichess allow you to get your 30 rating points back? It only seems fair seeing as it'll take you a while to get that rating back up
Who knew Gary Sinise was so passionate about chess.
Strong effort against Carlsen+AlphaZero hand+brain.
Man people cheat at chess? That's lame. I don't feel so bad floundering around down in the three digit ratings now. Least I know that when me and my opponent are blundering all over the place it's legit.
muhahaha, I have recently conquered the quadruple digits. I am down to 1 blunder per game! Fear me!
Pro tip: At 75% playback speed, John (sounding kind of sleepy, but still understandable) can be understood better by mortals.
wow amazing patience john
Hi John, novice player here. Around 10:30 after move 13, you decided to respond with 14. bishop to a2. I was wondering why you didn't consider defending the bishop with Knight to d2? Wouldn't that have been an equal position?
Eric S. 14. Nd2 Rxd2+ 15. Bxd2 Nxc4 and black is up two pieces for the rook (not a good trade) and has a lovely knight on c4
Thank you for the explanation.
Hi John, If you get a chance could you play an Evan's Gambit again?
2 moves that lost the game were 1. retreating bishop to a2 instead of attacking a knight by pawn to g4, and when black moved knight on f6, John should have put his pawn imediately on c4 as 2nd move which was not played. Basically he had a bishop on the board but that piece could be considered as if it was out of game...weird decisions...also at 17:20 black square bishop should come to b4 trying to defend c3 and attack knight on a5...helping a bishop from a2 to get back into play...
Also 13:57 nothing was forced, John should have attacked that knight by pawn, if John loses a knigt on g5, opponent would lose his on f6 and there would be no treat on pawn e4....so it was a series of dubious decisions...
John opened a line for a rook to inflitrate...therefore he should not move that black square bishop as it was nicely protected by pawn and blocking the line for the rook...bad move definitely..
21:00 after putting a rook on e3 from e1, going back with the same rook on e1...proves that it was also a bad move...at 21:00 it was a perfect time to sac a bishop by taking a pawn on c4 and get rid of trap and spending so much resources to save the bishop which did not do anything...probably there were ways to activate it by not playing rooks e1-e3 and back to e1...2 lost moves...
18:50 finally bishop could go from a2 to b1 but John played two moves with the rook losing opprtunity to activate bishop while protecting a pawn at a3...
So does lichess return your rating points since the player was banned? It would really suck if you lost rating points to a computer, even if it is 'just online chess.'
On Lichess, I believe they do; however they don't on chess.com (as far as I'm aware).
I'm currently around 2200 in rapid on Lichess. I don't play anywhere close to how this guy played against IM Bartholomew. I might see a tactic or two here and there, but this guy outplayed a 2500. You know he had 'help"
Your awesome John!! I dont understand cheaters with chess being such a cool sport
0:52 five seconds to move Bg7 after playing g6...
2:25 five seconds to take the Queen!
It's so frustrating when you play specially against a lower rated player give all of you, try your best, burn your brain and after the game you go to the guy's profile and see the phrase: "this player uses chess computer assistance"... and you realize that no matter what you have done you would lose anyway. That is totaly unfair!
Yes, probably a cheater! He know already when its a draw so he offers! Great game vs Stockfish haha!
He was clearly suspicious. Hated Ba2 though. Entombing your Bishop didn't look the best.
John is too too good for me. . . I think he use stockfish 7
Seems that IM John got something out of this game despite the fact that he knew he was losing to Stockfish. This guy truly loves chess. I'm guessing that cheaters like alejandroid don't get much out of anything they play. They probably cheat at solitaire and pat themselves on the back when they win. By the way, I have learned more good chess from watching IM John than from any of the books I have studied. Thanks.
You should make a video on how to not get pissed off and emotionally drained and angry after losing... I could really use that advise
Would 10. Bd3 also work?
that is a surprising game.. damn never thought Bxc3 is that strong
how can i change lichess texture to black?
Click on ur username on top right , then ur gonna see lots of settings find "background " and pick dark there :) thats it
Interesting, I saw many "computer moves" John commented strange or not obvious to human... But of course it is totally different to watch the game than to play it. Anyway thanks to JB, he is one of the best chess guys there is in the web
Cheater Cheater Pumpkin Eater.
If his rating was over 2200 than why cheat? I may ever win if he just play has game. The highest rated player I beaten was over 2200 and depending on the site I play on I'm anywhere between 1000 and 1700, I know a big range, but I play more like a 1400 to 1600. The 2200 just play my game and made a mistake late in the game.
I like to think that cheaters, when they have to wait for the opponent to calculate a move against the unfair advantage, are bored. That's why he offered a draw. He knew that John was going to take his sweet time with the moves, while the cheater still had a full 15 minutes. It can't be enjoyable for more than a few minutes. Pathetic behavior
Even though this is unpleasant for John, I have to admit that it's interesting to watch from a dramatic standpoint. John won't throw out an accusation of cheating, so it's interesting to try to note as he becomes more convinced that he is playing an engine. It becomes more obvious towards the end, but I noticed that he barely complimented the opponent's play throughout. Rather, he was self-deprecating - focusing on his own "poor" play. I think that he knew early on that it was an engine because normally he would be complimenting the opponent more enthusiastically. More cheating vids! haha
At the top, it says, "Stockfish 8 PNACL" - what the heck does "PNACL" mean?!?
It's a technology used to execute native C++ code in a browser like Google Chrome. It's a lot faster than - for example - Javascript and even supports multiple threads. It is used by lichess.org to let you run a version of Stockfish on your own machine for live analysis. See more at: developer.chrome.com/native-client/nacl-and-pnacl
There is nothing you can do to stop cheating short of requesting video and desktop recording. The person can still be holding a phone or laptop with an engine on. Playing online is overall like playing any other toxic online game. Any thoughts?