Just bought a soroban today. I'm still in school. I am fascinated by this system. If this is the key to great math skills, I will try as hard as possible to learn like the Japanese. Wish me luck
My mother is using soroban when keeping her household accounts still now. She says it is faster and convenient than calculator. In Japan it was common to use soroban in older times. But now we rely on calculator.... Glad to see these children.
Before 1974 it is necessary for every job seeker for financial service or accounting department of big business to master soroban.It was faster and cheaper than calcurater of Casio or NCR accounting machine.When IBM electro-computer machine was introduced there was a dispute of the total speed of input data.IBM won over it.In Japan each bank still has an independent system department, One of its system bytes is larger than government accounting system.
well, not many kids nowadays do soroban, and me either. but when i was in college i had a friend who learned soroban in his youth, and he was really quick to calculate in mind, so it'll help you for your life time for sure.
Since you have not returned to comment, I will assume you have become so skilled that you have transcended existence. This proves the soroban's true effectiveness!
if you been to Asia, you must know in order to go school, you need to take exam to the school you want to attend. The better the middle/high school you wanna to enroll, the entrance exams are mad hard. We can see they are hard workers.
@mrcatfacefrog Your brain is able to pick information faster than you think, just with some practice. you just need to make the neural connections. I've doing a bit of this stuff. it's really hard, but it gets easier with practice. It really solidifies your visual imagination.
In schools in America they teach you everything except number sense. There so hell bent on showing you algebra. I am not a natural at math and considered myself pretty hopeless until I learned about number sense, something I never picked up in school and is generally what they are teaching these kids. Basically teaching kids how to solve a problem logically and efficiently instead of mechanically going through some stale time consuming process.God for bid you learn to subtract from left to right
The young boy that became the square-mask pink soldier and later was headshot by the Frontman seems fitting enough. He must have been the winner in one of the previous seasons of Squid Game, and the penultimate game in his Squid Game season must have been a "math quiz" game (i.e.: flash anzan). Like in the glass bridge game, most people died. (just my fan theory ✌️; Director Hwang, no offense! 🙏 )
@00Maximilian Yes. Can you do these functions with pencil and paper or with slide rule? Then you certainly can do it on soroban, and usually in a very intuitive visual way.
@dhanedhar: Actually, Japan's economy isn't as good as it used to be, so it's more probable that China will soon become the largest economy making USA the second and Japanese the third.
@robotiqz1 It would work theoretically, and you can very well build such a tool. But I think it would not be as efficient as a soroban for human beings to use, Look at the way people use a soroban, you just push from the right bead up or down the full way. Your systeme would require precise positioning of the bead, which takes more time and precision than the standard soroban
There is a reason why we use calculators. Soroban might be useful for adding and subtracting, but I can hardly see it being effective for exponential numbers and a whole lot of other different set of numbers. Not to mention integrals, derivata and other more "advanced" methods of math
Calculators were four-function, mostly. Scientific ones were expensive, and you could still get better answers from log-table books. You could approximate with a fair amount of accuracy on a slide-rule, and yes, you can take square-roots on a soroban; however, there's not a lot of room for decimal places, even on some of the widest. As for being useful, it's for practical math, essentially. If you want to work in a different algebra than the common one most people use, then it's all writing on paper anyway. :-)
Don,t say that I think that we simply need to try harder I don,t no perhaps we need to just get into a little bit more of there culture you no like methods I hope this cheered you up and you have all ready started.
I agree with you your so rigth if our schools taugth us like how the asians do we be smarter if the united states was like asia things would be so much smarter because they get all smart there.NOT saying were stupid or anything but thats just a thougth.
The Japanese abacus is an improved version of the Chinese abacus. Even though the Chinese abacus has 2 rows of beads in the top echelon, the top row is an ornament, and only the bottom row is used. The Japanese removed the ornament top row beads so that the Japanese abacus has only 1 row of beads in the top echelon. The Japanese also changed the spherical beads of the Chinese abacus to diamond shaped ones for faster operations.
HollyNihon The Chinese abacus has two beads above the reckoning bar and five below because it's set for hexadecimal calculations. The Japanese modified it to one above and four below for decimal use.
@@genesisbustamante-durian According to Wikipedia, "It has been suggested[by whom?] that at one time or another, a way of using the seven beads on each wire to represent hexadecimal digits was used to add and subtract Chinese weights, where one jin (斤) equals sixteen liang (兩). Such a method would not work on a soroban, since only 10 combinations rather than 18 are available on each rod." Perhaps instead of being a fucking troll you could do a little research. Idiot.
These are great. But we will never see them in classrooms because Apple, TI and Dell don't make Sorobons so there's no marketing gimmickry to be had by giving them away to schools.
@s4159653: Are you sure? Have you take into consideration that children learn much faster than adults and once you reach certain age your brain cells slowly start to die? I can assure you, that a typical 50-year-old American wouldn't be able to learn it, no matter how much he would practice.
I see no point in that. For more complex math (wich include linear algebra, complex numbers and so on) you have to deal with in the industry you have to use computer algebra systems. Now and in the future. It would be much better if these little children got to know to the CAS. So this mental arithmetic is just nonsens in my opinion.
Just bought a soroban today. I'm still in school. I am fascinated by this system. If this is the key to great math skills, I will try as hard as possible to learn like the Japanese. Wish me luck
Kinda curious if you where able to learn this. Update?
Yeah do you have updates on your results?
I wish you good luck!
How'd it go
How’d it go?
My mother is using soroban when keeping her household accounts still now. She says it is faster and convenient than calculator. In Japan it was common to use soroban in older times. But now we rely on calculator....
Glad to see these children.
I used to use soroban as a roller skate shoe in my childhood.
それとマッサージや孫の手かわりになｗ
Lol
Cool! Really Cool! I wish I had this training when I was young!
we really need a new educational program
@coltsfancolts the whole point of the abacus is to prepare both sides of the brain for the future. it's not like it works one part of your brain.
why didnt I learn this in school!?
Before 1974 it is necessary for every job seeker for financial service or accounting department of big business to master soroban.It was faster and cheaper than calcurater of Casio or NCR accounting machine.When IBM electro-computer machine was introduced there was a dispute of the total speed of input data.IBM won over it.In Japan each bank still has an independent system department, One of its system bytes is larger than government accounting system.
wow
well, not many kids nowadays do soroban, and me either. but when i was in college i had a friend who learned soroban in his youth, and he was really quick to calculate in mind, so it'll help you for your life time for sure.
Absolutely amazing..
I WILL LEARN THIS!
How did it go?
?
Five years in training. He must be pro at this point.
Since you have not returned to comment, I will assume you have become so skilled that you have transcended existence. This proves the soroban's true effectiveness!
@@InterDimensionalLizard lol
Imagine doing ninjutsu's for math
I've got one!
Im up to division on the soroban!
The I think I'll be in advanced!Yay!
Amazing! Thanks for sharing
I'm an Indian who lives in London , I am Very familiar about the academic intensity from cambridge to IIT but this is just maddening
if you been to Asia, you must know in order to go school, you need to take exam to the school you want to attend. The better the middle/high school you wanna to enroll, the entrance exams are mad hard. We can see they are hard workers.
Is the male translator voice by Peter Barakan from Begin Japanology?
@mrcatfacefrog Your brain is able to pick information faster than you think, just with some practice. you just need to make the neural connections.
I've doing a bit of this stuff. it's really hard, but it gets easier with practice. It really solidifies your visual imagination.
@bloggerblog and vice versa.. the chinese 1 had 5 at the bottum and 1 in the heavens the japanese 1 has 1 in the heavens and 4 at the bottum
In schools in America they teach you everything except number sense. There so hell bent on showing you algebra. I am not a natural at math and considered myself pretty hopeless until I learned about number sense, something I never picked up in school and is generally what they are teaching these kids. Basically teaching kids how to solve a problem logically and efficiently instead of mechanically going through some stale time consuming process.God for bid you learn to subtract from left to right
Yes, it has 2 heavenly beads, however the soroban didn't come first. Japan made their own version of the chinese abacus.
thank you so much
It is official.
^ sentence one
I'm dumb.
^sentence two.
@Crystallized Crust 8 years later, I'm still dumb
No it's fine the way it was with just a comma. Semi-colons are used to separate two different phrases that could be different sentences.
Wow its very great!
６．外でミニ四駆走らせて遊ぶ（*´ω｀*）バンガードソニック♪→そろばん塾→資格検定があるから遅くまでそろばんに熱中♪
７．たまごっち（*´ω｀*）おやじっち可愛いな→そろばん塾→プリクラ交換しながらそろばん＾＾
いろいろあったな～いっぱいありすぎて楽しい思い出しかないぜ（￣ー￣）ニヤリッ
I think I am going to need a lot more sapho juice...
Imagine it was a game in
"squid game"
Everyone where I come from would be dead LOL 😆
The young boy that became the square-mask pink soldier and later was headshot by the Frontman seems fitting enough. He must have been the winner in one of the previous seasons of Squid Game, and the penultimate game in his Squid Game season must have been a "math quiz" game (i.e.: flash anzan). Like in the glass bridge game, most people died. (just my fan theory ✌️; Director Hwang, no offense! 🙏 )
@00Maximilian Yes. Can you do these functions with pencil and paper or with slide rule? Then you certainly can do it on soroban, and usually in a very intuitive visual way.
this is why they will win
Dude, i think this calls for Godzilla...
LONG LIVE JAPAN!!!
I bought one this afternoon and at midnight I can do additions and substractions!!!
My brain hurts just watching 😱😅
I whole heartedly agree.
@dhanedhar: Actually, Japan's economy isn't as good as it used to be, so it's more probable that China will soon become the largest economy making USA the second and Japanese the third.
@robotiqz1
It would work theoretically, and you can very well build such a tool. But I think it would not be as efficient as a soroban for human beings to use,
Look at the way people use a soroban, you just push from the right bead up or down the full way. Your systeme would require precise positioning of the bead, which takes more time and precision than the standard soroban
@xaniras you are not the only oneeee ..T_T ...私は失望だ TT_TT
Genius
Thats it.... I give up... i'm fucked...
There is a reason why we use calculators. Soroban might be useful for adding and subtracting, but I can hardly see it being effective for exponential numbers and a whole lot of other different set of numbers. Not to mention integrals, derivata and other more "advanced" methods of math
Calculators were four-function, mostly. Scientific ones were expensive, and you could still get better answers from log-table books. You could approximate with a fair amount of accuracy on a slide-rule, and yes, you can take square-roots on a soroban; however, there's not a lot of room for decimal places, even on some of the widest.
As for being useful, it's for practical math, essentially. If you want to work in a different algebra than the common one most people use, then it's all writing on paper anyway. :-)
Interesting
Don,t say that I think that we simply need to try harder I don,t no perhaps we need to just get into a little bit more of there culture you no like methods I hope this cheered you up and you have all ready started.
知り合いに、「そろばん暗算6段」が居た。 怠け者だった。 そろばん能力の優劣は才能だと思う。
俺も、そろばん初めて3年だけど、4桁の計算は頭に入るようになった
Arigato شكرا.
anyone can do if practice
mind blown
hahahaha！o(≧ω≦)o実用性を疑ってる人がいるのが笑える。スーパーで適当にホイホイ買い物カゴに入れていった合計と、消費税を加算したのが分かって、同時に財布の残金も把握できるって世界が想像もつかないのよねwww
WHY AREN'T SCHOOLS DOING THIS
@bloggerblog The soroban seems more practical to me.
I used to teach that :)
@dandanme Doesn't the chinese one have two heavenly beads?
See, i blame my primary school teachers for not going into hardly any detail as to the power behind this abacus/its cousin the soroban
Mind very blown
dang
How I can contact you?
@PartyGamingPlc: Enough said.
I agree with you your so rigth if our schools taugth us like how the asians do we be smarter if the united states was like asia things would be so much smarter because they get all smart there.NOT saying were stupid or anything but thats just a thougth.
The Japanese abacus is an improved version of the Chinese abacus. Even though the Chinese abacus has 2 rows of beads in the top echelon, the top row is an ornament, and only the bottom row is used. The Japanese removed the ornament top row beads so that the Japanese abacus has only 1 row of beads in the top echelon. The Japanese also changed the spherical beads of the Chinese abacus to diamond shaped ones for faster operations.
HollyNihon The Chinese abacus has two beads above the reckoning bar and five below because it's set for hexadecimal calculations. The Japanese modified it to one above and four below for decimal use.
@@IrrevMike Oh so you fell for the hexadecimal MYTH. What a loser.
@@genesisbustamante-durian According to Wikipedia, "It has been suggested[by whom?] that at one time or another, a way of using the seven beads on each wire to represent hexadecimal digits was used to add and subtract Chinese weights, where one jin (斤) equals sixteen liang (兩). Such a method would not work on a soroban, since only 10 combinations rather than 18 are available on each rod." Perhaps instead of being a fucking troll you could do a little research. Idiot.
Ain't nobody got time for that!
Know this
ah future bean counters
Exactly 👌
Japanese are so wise!
These are great. But we will never see them in classrooms because Apple, TI and Dell don't make Sorobons so there's no marketing gimmickry to be had by giving them away to schools.
Joder!
'Merica!.... awwwwwww............
definitely not zombies : D
They're training mentats! We're doomed!
تنع 🙅🙅🙇
so we were able to import graphic cards, porn and watches but unable to import knowledge/ methods... LOL
頭の中で弾いてるんでしょ？
怖い(￣^￣)
This how Playstation was invented.
hay
It's official; I'm dumb.*
Well don,t go beating your self up to bad about these things now.
@s4159653: Are you sure? Have you take into consideration that children learn much faster than adults and once you reach certain age your brain cells slowly start to die? I can assure you, that a typical 50-year-old American wouldn't be able to learn it, no matter how much he would practice.
I feel so asianfail. @_@
I see no point in that. For more complex math (wich include linear algebra, complex numbers and so on) you have to deal with in the industry you have to use computer algebra systems. Now and in the future. It would be much better if these little children got to know to the CAS. So this mental arithmetic is just nonsens in my opinion.
Would it be an overused joke if... LEVEL: ASIAN
the 700th like
No, just not asian
This is creepy.
There is no point in being able to add/subtract/multiply/divide in your mind so quickly if you have no useful way of applying it in real life.
How about calculating money, drug dosages, scheduling, orders?
Aren't those part of real life?
They told me I'd never use calculus.
They were wrong.
It's not just application that matters. Learning techniques like this train the brain in neuroplasticity. This has long term health effects.
This program is mainly about brain development, not math, though it definitely does give you that advantage.
cope detected
but it's chinese...
Fake
fake
Too bad they lost the war, lol.
I was at DAN4... =)