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Like all pricing, bike pricing will go down when bike buyers stop paying the high price. The best friends of bike makers and sellers are social media influencers who continually harp on why the latest and greatest (and of course, most expensive) thing is what you need to avoid embarrassing yourself.
Took the words right outta my mouth. I have 3 road bikes, a Ti, a carbon, a Alu, the newest being the Alu CAAD 10, all 3 seem to go just as fast as the $10k + bikes in the pack…. It’s hilarious what people will spend to keep up with the poseurs…
Are we approaching a time where putting a bike together/ buying components separately to built your dream bike will cost about the same as a new bike with low end components or possibly less? This would allow you to built a bike to your specific bike fit and stop wasting money later trying to perfect your bike fit with different stems, handlebars, seats etc…
That’s my path. I bought a used Cyfac frame from a race team for $225 and getting used Dura Ace group set for $400. It’s a magnificent bike and I really enjoy taking my time putting it together.
I only speak from the MTB perspective here, but buying a bike that is $2000 more than it was in 2020, with a lower component spec is a non-starter for me. It’s a principle thing for me. I refuse to spend more for less, even though-in my particular financial situation-my income allows me to afford it. I’ll explain my thinking this way-‘I like my money in my bank account more than in your bank account.’ Bike manufacturers need to figure out how to bring costs down by improving manufacturing processes. It has come to that point. By raising prices, they got fat and greedy on the pandemic stimulus and 0% financing, and now they will pay for it. They created their own problem by squeezing more profit by giving us less for more $$. That’s a problem as far as I’m concerned, and I don’t have any sympathy for their struggles. It’s called karma. Since we have significant inflation on all products, people have to allocate their dollars to more important things like food, gas, and necessities. On top of that, the MTB market is saturated. Everyone has a bike, or two; I have three very good bikes. Manufacturers are also competing with the used MTB market, which there are many really great used bikes out there just 1-2 years old. The big bike manufacturers will continue to struggle if they don’t make significant changes to their business models.
I was looking for an ultralight climber bike but couldn't justify $13-14k for a Specialized Aethos, Giant TCR Advanced SL 0 · 4, Cannondale LAB71 SuperSix Evo, etc. Hambini, et. al. reviewed the Winspace SLC 2.0 (780g, T800/700 carbon), so I got my spreadsheet out and put the numbers together for both $$ and mass. The short of it, I was able to put together a config for around $6.5k and a total mass including pedals (Favero Assioma already have) for around 6.5 kg (full build, tires, saddle, bar tape, etc). Components include Shimano Dura Ace 12 speed Groupset 11/34 and crankset 52/36, 9Velo Carbon Spoke Road Disc CD 35, stem and BB from Omniracer. I previously purchased the rim brake version of the 9Velo's for a Litespeed T1Sl and I'm very happy with them. We'll see how the Winspace disc frame works out. $1380.00 v $5500 for an Aethos S-Works frame. Seems like it's worth a shot. BTW, the Ultegra Di2 group and crankset came to approximately $5.3k with a mass of 6.7 kg. I will have my local bike shop do the build for around $200.00. Thoughts?
If I’m dropping $13-14k on something, it’s going toward a new electric car, not a mountain bike. I prioritize my expenditures. I would rather put $10k to a new EV and $3-4K on a used MTB.
Call me old and grumpy and out of touch but you can just keep the new breed of bikes. I don't agree with most of the hype. It's just not true, or rather there 'may' be a faint bit of truth but it's so ridiculously overemphasized. Obvious to me is the fact that many of the new improvements in bikes are said to be improvements but the downside of these is ignored. Yes, having no cables showing is really 'cool' looking, but at what cost? Your bike falls over? Breaks a few things? Can you fix it? Is it worthwhile to spend a few thousand to push a button to change gears rather than push a lever? Is the so called improvement of disc brakes worth the agrivation of bleeding, squealing, grabbing, etc? Do you have 100% faith in the fit of the unadjustable one peice front end? Do you think a few watts of aero drag reduction is going to always be a benifit? Say, when you're on your dream vacation and your bike screws up and you can't ride it? Or when you make the selection in a race and the guy behind sits on then out sprints you on his ancient bike without all that? I'll just keep my 10 yr old mechanical bike and ride on with no hydraulic, electric, $5 digit inconvenience.
Bike markets is just like the auto industry….fat and happy with low supply. No way should a truck cost more than 50K and a real high end bike cost more than 7-8K.
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Like all pricing, bike pricing will go down when bike buyers stop paying the high price. The best friends of bike makers and sellers are social media influencers who continually harp on why the latest and greatest (and of course, most expensive) thing is what you need to avoid embarrassing yourself.
Cmon , 9k is an excellent purchase and choice for just a frame n fork
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Took the words right outta my mouth. I have 3 road bikes, a Ti, a carbon, a Alu, the newest being the Alu CAAD 10, all 3 seem to go just as fast as the $10k + bikes in the pack…. It’s hilarious what people will spend to keep up with the poseurs…
Are we approaching a time where putting a bike together/ buying components separately to built your dream bike will cost about the same as a new bike with low end components or possibly less? This would allow you to built a bike to your specific bike fit and stop wasting money later trying to perfect your bike fit with different stems, handlebars, seats etc…
Custom builds may be the way to go from here on for new.
That’s my path. I bought a used Cyfac frame from a race team for $225 and getting used Dura Ace group set for $400. It’s a magnificent bike and I really enjoy taking my time putting it together.
I only speak from the MTB perspective here, but buying a bike that is $2000 more than it was in 2020, with a lower component spec is a non-starter for me. It’s a principle thing for me. I refuse to spend more for less, even though-in my particular financial situation-my income allows me to afford it. I’ll explain my thinking this way-‘I like my money in my bank account more than in your bank account.’
Bike manufacturers need to figure out how to bring costs down by improving manufacturing processes. It has come to that point.
By raising prices, they got fat and greedy on the pandemic stimulus and 0% financing, and now they will pay for it. They created their own problem by squeezing more profit by giving us less for more $$. That’s a problem as far as I’m concerned, and I don’t have any sympathy for their struggles. It’s called karma.
Since we have significant inflation on all products, people have to allocate their dollars to more important things like food, gas, and necessities.
On top of that, the MTB market is saturated. Everyone has a bike, or two; I have three very good bikes.
Manufacturers are also competing with the used MTB market, which there are many really great used bikes out there just 1-2 years old.
The big bike manufacturers will continue to struggle if they don’t make significant changes to their business models.
Those are some great points, and yes, they need to add value and lower the prices.
I was looking for an ultralight climber bike but couldn't justify $13-14k for a Specialized Aethos, Giant TCR Advanced SL 0 · 4, Cannondale LAB71 SuperSix Evo, etc.
Hambini, et. al. reviewed the Winspace SLC 2.0 (780g, T800/700 carbon), so I got my spreadsheet out and put the numbers together for both $$ and mass.
The short of it, I was able to put together a config for around $6.5k and a total mass including pedals (Favero Assioma already have) for around 6.5 kg (full build, tires, saddle, bar tape, etc).
Components include Shimano Dura Ace 12 speed Groupset 11/34 and crankset 52/36, 9Velo Carbon Spoke Road Disc CD 35, stem and BB from Omniracer.
I previously purchased the rim brake version of the 9Velo's for a Litespeed T1Sl and I'm very happy with them.
We'll see how the Winspace disc frame works out. $1380.00 v $5500 for an Aethos S-Works frame. Seems like it's worth a shot.
BTW, the Ultegra Di2 group and crankset came to approximately $5.3k with a mass of 6.7 kg.
I will have my local bike shop do the build for around $200.00.
Thoughts?
If I’m dropping $13-14k on something, it’s going toward a new electric car, not a mountain bike. I prioritize my expenditures. I would rather put $10k to a new EV and $3-4K on a used MTB.
It could add up, but will be everything that you want.
Call me old and grumpy and out of touch but you can just keep the new breed of bikes. I don't agree with most of the hype. It's just not true, or rather there 'may' be a faint bit of truth but it's so ridiculously overemphasized. Obvious to me is the fact that many of the new improvements in bikes are said to be improvements but the downside of these is ignored.
Yes, having no cables showing is really 'cool' looking, but at what cost? Your bike falls over? Breaks a few things? Can you fix it? Is it worthwhile to spend a few thousand to push a button to change gears rather than push a lever? Is the so called improvement of disc brakes worth the agrivation of bleeding, squealing, grabbing, etc? Do you have 100% faith in the fit of the unadjustable one peice front end? Do you think a few watts of aero drag reduction is going to always be a benifit? Say, when you're on your dream vacation and your bike screws up and you can't ride it? Or when you make the selection in a race and the guy behind sits on then out sprints you on his ancient bike without all that?
I'll just keep my 10 yr old mechanical bike and ride on with no hydraulic, electric, $5 digit inconvenience.
REI has the Cannondale Caad 13 discounted to $1,800+.
XS or XL only
Bike markets is just like the auto industry….fat and happy with low supply. No way should a truck cost more than 50K and a real high end bike cost more than 7-8K.
100% agree with you. 👊🏼