Probably the best reaction to that pretty fantastic ending. In all honesty if they did a sequel I want this ending to be the basis. Crossing a doomed burning landscape of chaos sounds awesome.
I absolutely love Melina. One of my favorite FromSoft characters. It changed everything when they added those icons that remind you to talk to her when she has something new to say.
One other thing. It is said the Gloam-eyed queen was defeated but is it ever metioned she's dead? I have two theories: 1. Melina is the daughter of the gloam-eyed queen, or 2. The power of the queen was sealed inside here after the queen was defeated by Marika/Malileth....
@@MrCacheo that wouldn’t make much sense, with the fact that A) Marika is a god, and the point of the Gloam eyed queen, the person who led the godskins that seek to kill the gods, was exactly that, B) the Gloam eyed queen was defeated by Malekith when they came for Destined Death, and Malekith is the shadow bound beast of Marika, C) Marika is the one who gave Malekith destined death to guard, and because he is bound to her will, he’d have to return it if she ever demanded it be given back, and D) Marina’s soul ascends to full godhood as seen by the existence of the Elden Beast. So if the Gloam eyed queen’s goal is to kill the gods, and Marika is the Gloam eyed queen and a god, that’s antithetical to her intentions. If anything, Melina is the Gloam eyed queen, especially since she bears the half wheel of death on her eye
I one hundred percent believe we the player die when choosing the Lord of Frenzied Flame ending. We see ourselves die grabbing at our eyes just like we see others die when afflicted. Then our freshly dead corpse is used as a vessel for this fledgling outer god. We already know the chaos of the frenzied flame can swap bodies like a hermit crab.
@@modernhiendai Not sure what your question is getting at. "Lord" as in "Lord of Frenzied Flame" or "Elden Lord" here appear to just be titles for whoever takes the place of marika/radagon.
@@enviycarim1000 yeah,Lord clearly a title for being who work under their great god. If Tarnished died and it's actually Outer God inside,it make no sense to call him/her as Lord.
@@modernhiendai It would absolutely still make sense since they would still be holding that position. They're using the tarnished's body as a vessel and that vessel happens to be Elden Lord, so they're the Lord of Frenzied Flame.
@@enviycarim1000 how so? Tarnished only become Elden Lord after they fix Marika's body and mend elden ring which they don't in Frenzied Flame route , this make even less sense.
As far as I know, Melina is the reincarnation of the Gloam-eyed Queen which was the creator and owner of the Black Flame. She was killed by Maliketh and her flame sealed and so Maliketh became the guardian of the Destined Death. When Ranni died, the soul of the Gloam-eyed Queen returned as Melina. If Melina is the Gloam-eyed Queen then that explains why she can control the power of the Gigant's flame and why she wants to deliver Destined Death to the Lord of Chaos
Do you ever wonder why she seeks you, a maidenless tarnish, gives you the power of runes, a good boi horse, takes you the mountain top, just so she can burn herself up? I think the fire had something to do with opening her gloom eye. Maybe radagon sealed the tree and her powers or something. And she needed us to steal Destined Death back and burn the tree down. Melina played us hard! - marzzattak
I figured it was Marika that does all these things. Somehow she took the GEQ, took her power, and made her into her loyal Golden Order loving daughter. Marika is terrifying.
I don't see a reason not to believe Melina when she says, as you ascend to the Giants' Forge, that despite her earlier actions being a result of compulsion her mother, Marika, put into her upon creation, the sacrifice she makes as kindling is her own. She sees the vision of a better world, fixed from its broken state, and believes in you as its Lord. The only time she wants nothing to do with you is the Frenzied Flame ending, because that choice simbolizes the destruction of everything living in the past, present and the future . And I don't think it is a coincidence that the seal on her eye that opens is a depiction of three fingers. It's possible that whatever powers she gains to oppose the Lord of Frenzied Flame are a contingency put in place by Marika for just such an occasion.
I wish more people were like you. Caring about the lore and getting immersed into the world and the story. I loved watching your videos with reactions to bosses, dialogue, locations, soundtracks etc. because you were just as excited as me when I first played it! You're one of the very few that plays the game like this as most people just scream, rage and never know anything about what's going on. You're amazing!
Def think it’s like Marika and Radagon, remember Marika destroyed the rune and Radagon fixed it. They seem to have separate consciences and their own agendas. Ranni also not having a body and Melina being the same is another similarity they share amongst all of the others. Ranni and Melina have to be connected, just like the girl you save with the golden needle who is an offshoot of Melania. We need more story!
Maybe Melina is the daughter of the Gloam Eyed Queen and Marika/Radagon. All of the Black Knives were Numen, and so was Marika, and she does move like one of them. So maybe something there.
This is probably the most interesting ending, and the one that could lead to an interesting sequel. Regarding Torrent's ring: Melina originally pulls the ring out of nowhere, as if the ring's physical manifestation is an extension of Melina's spirit. Originally I thought the ring melted, but upon reflection I think what's happening is Melina is reabsorbing the ring into herself.
Weren’t the events Gloam Eyed Queen (GEQ) before Ranni’s birth? We know that the GEQ was defeated before the creation of the Golden Order as the GEQ used destined death before it was removed from the Elden Ring and sealed away as and since “The Golden Order was created by confining Destined Death” that’d place these events before the creation of the Golden Order and therefore Godwyn the first Demi-god’s birth? Did I get something wrong?
So it's like 99.99999% sure that Marika is Melinas mother but how does the Gloam Eyed Queen fit in there tho? I don't think we have a lot on their relationship at all, we know the GEQ is an Empyrean, which sorta kinda loosely links her to Marika, potentially being one of her or Radagons and Rennalas children, which would make more sense considering all the similarities Melina has with Ranni. The GEQ and the Apostles slay gods, we don't know why or what their actual goal with this is but despite them being god slayers, they've apparently never moved against the Greater Will (and tbf other gods aren't mentioned either, at least not by name) and I wonder why but I might have an idea. You've mentioned the 3 finger claw mark on her eye and I'm actually embarrassed that it took me so long to see it as that but, if Melina is actually the GEQ and therefore the daughter of Marika, all of this starts to make a bit of sense. Let's quickly establish that the Frenzied Flame is the direct opposite to the Golden Order in every way. Also, interestingly enough, her 3 finger mark disappears when CHAOS TAKES THE WORLD and shit, which makes me believe the mark exists to seal the GEQ away, possibly out of self defense from her god slaying abilities, which would also explain why Maliketh defeated her and took whatever power she had from the Rune of Death. With all of this in mind, let me throw out a theory. What if the Greater Will and the Frenzied Flame are also a 2 entities in one body type situation like Marika and Radagon but now separated, which is supported by the fact that there's a 3 finger vassal of the Frenzied Flame and obviously the 2 finger vassals of the Greater Will, which regardless of if this theory is true or not, is a pretty strong connection with no hint of what it actually means. What if the Greater Will somehow impregnated Marika, then gave birth to the GEQ (which sounds like a possible way to create an Empyrean even tho we're not 100% on the specifics), the Greater Will then brands her with this mark, seals the GEQ away and turns her into Melina. Whenever chaos unleashes, the 3 finger seal dissapears, awakening the GEQ again to fight the Frenzied Flame, who is an Outer God and since she's a god slayer, that task should be right up her all alley so that the Greater Will can resume control with the Golden Order and kill this other side of itself. She basically solely exists for this purpose, the purpose her mother gave her inside the Erdtree. The mother doesn't have to be Marika, she never definitively states that Marika is her mother and she talks a whole fucking lot about her throughout the entire game and I feel like Melinas wording when she talks about her mother is important. There's a small chance that the mother she referes to is the Greater Will and even if Marika is her mother, you could still make this theory work considering Marika wasn't always opposed to the Greater Will. There also seems to be a power struggle between the Outer Gods, which would make the GEQ a great tool to get the upper hand on them. I know we're making kids with 2 "mothers" here but that wouldn't be weirdest thing you heard from this game lmao. The only piece missing is literally any piece of in-game lore on the relation of the 2 and 3 fingered vassals. Obviously, if you'd combine them, they'd make a hand and I don't think it's coincidence that there's a 3 fingered counterpart to the 2 fingers, the chaos boys even have their own Fingermaidens too. You don't hear any of that about the other Outer Gods. I hope I somehow managed to make this somewhat understandable lmao.
Unfortunately, due to playing Dead Cells all I can see when I look at the Tarnished becoming the Lord of Frenzied Flame is the Beheaded from that game lol
@@canadiangopnik7007 not even Gwyn, atleast gwyn keeping the fire lit was to create prosperity for his kingdom, however selfish and sour that turned out to be. The frenzied flame is straight up Apocalyptic until there is absolutely nothing left, No more nature, no society, no living soul, nothing but the Flame and its Lord left in the end.
Anyone notice the significance of Melina's eyes? People have already done lots of theorising relating Melina and Ranni. Their left and right eyes respectively are closed, as if having them open would break the link between them. Ranni's eyes (doll and spirit) are blue, it cannot be a coincidence that Melina's eyes are both open and her left eye is the colour of Ranni's. In a world ablaze, a doll wouldn't last long, so maybe Ranni merged/rejoined with Melina somehow into one body. Hell, I could go as far to say it's possible that them together forms the Gloam Eyed Queen (Melina's eye looks gloamy) who was defeated and theoretically could have had her soul split apart to ensure she A) wasn't reborn and B) was weakened
I want this to be canon for the sequel. Or in my headcanon, this ending becomes the beginning of the game "Blasphemous" - a game that I think you would really like, especially for the lore!
In my opinion Ranni is Queen, there was 3 emyprians ranni miquela and Malenia, ranni killed godwyn soul and her body , idk if she created Black assasin but i think she just spilt herself to melina and ranni , im not sure who is this at the end , ranni who merged with melina ? But look at ranni and melina eyes , and and hair are the same like on ranni doll Not mention about fact , that only ranni and melina knows about torrent. There is moreee but just watch lore video xD
The glome eyed person that was selected to be an empyrean. Which makes me think she is Ranni’s other side being Ranni was the only other empyrean besides Miquella and Melania.
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the way Melina face directly to the camera like she knew we are behind the screen while saying she'll find us as far as we may travel is chilling
Probably the best reaction to that pretty fantastic ending.
In all honesty if they did a sequel I want this ending to be the basis. Crossing a doomed burning landscape of chaos sounds awesome.
Sequel is Dark Souls III where everything is ash
I absolutely love Melina. One of my favorite FromSoft characters. It changed everything when they added those icons that remind you to talk to her when she has something new to say.
And thank God they did that! I missed the vast majority of her dialogue from just sitting at a Grace and then leaving.
One other thing. It is said the Gloam-eyed queen was defeated but is it ever metioned she's dead? I have two theories: 1. Melina is the daughter of the gloam-eyed queen, or 2. The power of the queen was sealed inside here after the queen was defeated by Marika/Malileth....
I suspect Melina is actually the daughter of Marika, since her mother is "inside the erdtree"
@@myamdane6895 And her name in the files is daughterofmarika.
You all are correct, cuz Marika is the Gloam eyed queen
@@MrCacheo that wouldn’t make much sense, with the fact that A) Marika is a god, and the point of the Gloam eyed queen, the person who led the godskins that seek to kill the gods, was exactly that, B) the Gloam eyed queen was defeated by Malekith when they came for Destined Death, and Malekith is the shadow bound beast of Marika, C) Marika is the one who gave Malekith destined death to guard, and because he is bound to her will, he’d have to return it if she ever demanded it be given back, and D) Marina’s soul ascends to full godhood as seen by the existence of the Elden Beast. So if the Gloam eyed queen’s goal is to kill the gods, and Marika is the Gloam eyed queen and a god, that’s antithetical to her intentions. If anything, Melina is the Gloam eyed queen, especially since she bears the half wheel of death on her eye
@@TheLordNovo Watch or read about the theme, every single one of these points are answered. (And a lot more.)
I one hundred percent believe we the player die when choosing the Lord of Frenzied Flame ending. We see ourselves die grabbing at our eyes just like we see others die when afflicted. Then our freshly dead corpse is used as a vessel for this fledgling outer god. We already know the chaos of the frenzied flame can swap bodies like a hermit crab.
I don't think so. If Tarnished died and who inside is Frenzied flame god, why Melina call him "Lord"?
@@modernhiendai Not sure what your question is getting at. "Lord" as in "Lord of Frenzied Flame" or "Elden Lord" here appear to just be titles for whoever takes the place of marika/radagon.
@@enviycarim1000 yeah,Lord clearly a title for being who work under their great god. If Tarnished died and it's actually Outer God inside,it make no sense to call him/her as Lord.
@@modernhiendai It would absolutely still make sense since they would still be holding that position. They're using the tarnished's body as a vessel and that vessel happens to be Elden Lord, so they're the Lord of Frenzied Flame.
@@enviycarim1000 how so? Tarnished only become Elden Lord after they fix Marika's body and mend elden ring which they don't in Frenzied Flame route , this make even less sense.
Isn't when you meet with three fingers , he "enters" your character body? So maybe that eye at ending is him taking over?
Yep, that's what I figured with the eye burning out of our head
As far as I know, Melina is the reincarnation of the Gloam-eyed Queen which was the creator and owner of the Black Flame.
She was killed by Maliketh and her flame sealed and so Maliketh became the guardian of the Destined Death. When Ranni died, the soul of the Gloam-eyed Queen returned as Melina.
If Melina is the Gloam-eyed Queen then that explains why she can control the power of the Gigant's flame and why she wants to deliver Destined Death to the Lord of Chaos
@@Fairuslolomg we can only hope it will be explained in a future dlcs.
Do you ever wonder why she seeks you, a maidenless tarnish, gives you the power of runes, a good boi horse, takes you the mountain top, just so she can burn herself up? I think the fire had something to do with opening her gloom eye. Maybe radagon sealed the tree and her powers or something. And she needed us to steal Destined Death back and burn the tree down. Melina played us hard! - marzzattak
I figured it was Marika that does all these things. Somehow she took the GEQ, took her power, and made her into her loyal Golden Order loving daughter.
Marika is terrifying.
I don't see a reason not to believe Melina when she says, as you ascend to the Giants' Forge, that despite her earlier actions being a result of compulsion her mother, Marika, put into her upon creation, the sacrifice she makes as kindling is her own. She sees the vision of a better world, fixed from its broken state, and believes in you as its Lord.
The only time she wants nothing to do with you is the Frenzied Flame ending, because that choice simbolizes the destruction of everything living in the past, present and the future
. And I don't think it is a coincidence that the seal on her eye that opens is a depiction of three fingers. It's possible that whatever powers she gains to oppose the Lord of Frenzied Flame are a contingency put in place by Marika for just such an occasion.
Do you think there's a connection with the beast eye Gurranq gives us to Melina's missing eye? Check out the description, it's very interesting.
Definitely my favorite ending, It's just so cool.
Ending of the stars is much cooler and has much more to contemplate
Frenzied flame also has the craziest lore interactions. And I had NEVER noticed that’s torrent’s ring
MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!
I wish more people were like you. Caring about the lore and getting immersed into the world and the story. I loved watching your videos with reactions to bosses, dialogue, locations, soundtracks etc. because you were just as excited as me when I first played it! You're one of the very few that plays the game like this as most people just scream, rage and never know anything about what's going on. You're amazing!
*Taps flaming head
"Outer gods can't fuck with the world if there is no world."
You're a great player
It's been great watching your journey through this game
Def think it’s like Marika and Radagon, remember Marika destroyed the rune and Radagon fixed it. They seem to have separate consciences and their own agendas. Ranni also not having a body and Melina being the same is another similarity they share amongst all of the others. Ranni and Melina have to be connected, just like the girl you save with the golden needle who is an offshoot of Melania. We need more story!
The grace was the Erdtree's. With the Erdtree dead, no one has grace or golden eyes anymore.
Maybe Melina is the daughter of the Gloam Eyed Queen and Marika/Radagon. All of the Black Knives were Numen, and so was Marika, and she does move like one of them. So maybe something there.
It all comes tumbling down tumbling down tumbling down
So Shabribri is like Sauron he take control of you the Elden lord and destroy everything, hope Melina will be a Boss in the dlc 🔥
Loved this reaction!
When is part 8 coming out??
My fav ending and maybe canon one for prequel of dark soul. How all begun
No LOTR game let me become Sauron, but Elden Ring delivers
Melina become the DoomSlayer
This is probably the most interesting ending, and the one that could lead to an interesting sequel.
Regarding Torrent's ring:
Melina originally pulls the ring out of nowhere, as if the ring's physical manifestation is an extension of Melina's spirit. Originally I thought the ring melted, but upon reflection I think what's happening is Melina is reabsorbing the ring into herself.
Melina is the Gloam Eyed Queen, she didn't die, so when you freed Destined Death, her powers returned. Now she's hunting you down to kill you
I believe she is the daughter of the Gloam Eyed Queen. She seems to be part Emperian. Who knows what there going to do.
Weren’t the events Gloam Eyed Queen (GEQ) before Ranni’s birth? We know that the GEQ was defeated before the creation of the Golden Order as the GEQ used destined death before it was removed from the Elden Ring and sealed away as and since “The Golden Order was created by confining Destined Death” that’d place these events before the creation of the Golden Order and therefore Godwyn the first Demi-god’s birth? Did I get something wrong?
Pretty sure Melina's hands were always scarred.
*MAY CHAOS TAKE THE OWRLD*
So it's like 99.99999% sure that Marika is Melinas mother but how does the Gloam Eyed Queen fit in there tho? I don't think we have a lot on their relationship at all, we know the GEQ is an Empyrean, which sorta kinda loosely links her to Marika, potentially being one of her or Radagons and Rennalas children, which would make more sense considering all the similarities Melina has with Ranni. The GEQ and the Apostles slay gods, we don't know why or what their actual goal with this is but despite them being god slayers, they've apparently never moved against the Greater Will (and tbf other gods aren't mentioned either, at least not by name) and I wonder why but I might have an idea. You've mentioned the 3 finger claw mark on her eye and I'm actually embarrassed that it took me so long to see it as that but, if Melina is actually the GEQ and therefore the daughter of Marika, all of this starts to make a bit of sense. Let's quickly establish that the Frenzied Flame is the direct opposite to the Golden Order in every way. Also, interestingly enough, her 3 finger mark disappears when CHAOS TAKES THE WORLD and shit, which makes me believe the mark exists to seal the GEQ away, possibly out of self defense from her god slaying abilities, which would also explain why Maliketh defeated her and took whatever power she had from the Rune of Death. With all of this in mind, let me throw out a theory. What if the Greater Will and the Frenzied Flame are also a 2 entities in one body type situation like Marika and Radagon but now separated, which is supported by the fact that there's a 3 finger vassal of the Frenzied Flame and obviously the 2 finger vassals of the Greater Will, which regardless of if this theory is true or not, is a pretty strong connection with no hint of what it actually means. What if the Greater Will somehow impregnated Marika, then gave birth to the GEQ (which sounds like a possible way to create an Empyrean even tho we're not 100% on the specifics), the Greater Will then brands her with this mark, seals the GEQ away and turns her into Melina. Whenever chaos unleashes, the 3 finger seal dissapears, awakening the GEQ again to fight the Frenzied Flame, who is an Outer God and since she's a god slayer, that task should be right up her all alley so that the Greater Will can resume control with the Golden Order and kill this other side of itself. She basically solely exists for this purpose, the purpose her mother gave her inside the Erdtree. The mother doesn't have to be Marika, she never definitively states that Marika is her mother and she talks a whole fucking lot about her throughout the entire game and I feel like Melinas wording when she talks about her mother is important. There's a small chance that the mother she referes to is the Greater Will and even if Marika is her mother, you could still make this theory work considering Marika wasn't always opposed to the Greater Will. There also seems to be a power struggle between the Outer Gods, which would make the GEQ a great tool to get the upper hand on them. I know we're making kids with 2 "mothers" here but that wouldn't be weirdest thing you heard from this game lmao. The only piece missing is literally any piece of in-game lore on the relation of the 2 and 3 fingered vassals. Obviously, if you'd combine them, they'd make a hand and I don't think it's coincidence that there's a 3 fingered counterpart to the 2 fingers, the chaos boys even have their own Fingermaidens too. You don't hear any of that about the other Outer Gods. I hope I somehow managed to make this somewhat understandable lmao.
Unfortunately, due to playing Dead Cells all I can see when I look at the Tarnished becoming the Lord of Frenzied Flame is the Beheaded from that game lol
Melina might be some sort of reencarnation of the Gloam-Eyed Queen?
what y'all think?
Yeah most likely and I believe she rannis teacher the snowy witch
Marika is Radagon, my personal theory is that she's the gloam eyed queen and fooled everyone.
There would not be suffering in the world if there is no world
Yeah just suffering in the void which is way better
Congratulations!!!!
Oh damn!! Is there multiple endings for this game?? I kind of want to watch them all if there is! Hell, I haven't even played the game yet lol.
6 endings and two endings cut from the game
...4 of them are just copypastes of one another with some changed lines...
@@General_C that 4 ending has their own lore only the cuttscene similar
MAY CHAOS CHANGE THE WORLD! This is the best ending by far in this game.
take*
*Burns the world, kills Torrent, and makes Melina hate you*
You essentially become the next Gwyn
Best ending how exactly?
@@canadiangopnik7007 not even Gwyn, atleast gwyn keeping the fire lit was to create prosperity for his kingdom, however selfish and sour that turned out to be.
The frenzied flame is straight up Apocalyptic until there is absolutely nothing left, No more nature, no society, no living soul, nothing but the Flame and its Lord left in the end.
@@canadiangopnik7007 Well it's not a fucken fairytale ending.. that's why its good.
@@joakimp2711 most classic fairytales had macabre and disturbing endings, soooo... actually it IS a classic fairytale ending
To me, the way the body is moving is to spread the flame around you, devouring the world...
Or a fledgling outer god kicking the tires on a new bone mech haha
Flaming eye, flaming mouth… yeah let’s keep the speculation SFW
After all the bs the game puts you through especially in the endgame. Incinerate all that divides and distinguishes. May Chaos take the world!
What if this ending leads to the events of dark souls 3.
Anyone notice the significance of Melina's eyes? People have already done lots of theorising relating Melina and Ranni. Their left and right eyes respectively are closed, as if having them open would break the link between them. Ranni's eyes (doll and spirit) are blue, it cannot be a coincidence that Melina's eyes are both open and her left eye is the colour of Ranni's. In a world ablaze, a doll wouldn't last long, so maybe Ranni merged/rejoined with Melina somehow into one body. Hell, I could go as far to say it's possible that them together forms the Gloam Eyed Queen (Melina's eye looks gloamy) who was defeated and theoretically could have had her soul split apart to ensure she A) wasn't reborn and B) was weakened
So... "Melina is Ranni" moment? Who's to say only Marika can be 2 persons at once.
I want this to be canon for the sequel.
Or in my headcanon, this ending becomes the beginning of the game "Blasphemous" - a game that I think you would really like, especially for the lore!
How can there be a continuation of the story if the Chaos has consumed the world?
B r u h
Pure terror ending souls.
In my opinion Ranni is Queen, there was 3 emyprians ranni miquela and Malenia, ranni killed godwyn soul and her body , idk if she created Black assasin but i think she just spilt herself to melina and ranni , im not sure who is this at the end , ranni who merged with melina ? But look at ranni and melina eyes , and and hair are the same like on ranni doll
Not mention about fact , that only ranni and melina knows about torrent. There is moreee but just watch lore video xD
I REALLY want to watch this, but before I do, is this from your first playthrough? I don't want the ending of that spoiled LOL
The endings ate based on your choices in game and quests you complete. Any ending can be obtained any playthrough.
@@henryzweihander8282 ... I know... I'm asking if this is the ending she got on her first play through
Nope! This was my second playthrough!
Congratulations! You destroyed the universe!
George R. Martin ending unlocked
My favorite ending
Poor Torrent
The glome eyed person that was selected to be an empyrean. Which makes me think she is Ranni’s other side being Ranni was the only other empyrean besides Miquella and Melania.
Truly best ending!
This ending is a bad ending but is the most crazy and incredible end
Nah there isn’t a bad ending
@@bazah23 any ending where torrent dies is a bad ending.
@@EGeorgev oh so it’s not about the lands between fate then for me any ending were we kneel to a ugly blue doll is bad ending
@@EGeorgev oh so it’s not about the lands between fate then for me any ending were we kneel to a ugly blue doll is bad ending
@@bazah23 yes. that one is also a bad ending.
Best ending
There is no reaction she always knew what Will happen watching guides on RUclips
Canon
In so many level
DAB
Dude you’re adorable
No u
Some me, just want to watch the world burn
MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!
MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!!!