Ball plays on its own format. For him it's not a 5v5 but instead a 1v9 As Chazm once said "When you play Ball the enemy team hates you, your teammates hate you, everybody's day is ruined and you're having a great time"
18:52 The problem is, to some, just losing the first point means the game is over, and if your team isn't stomping the enemy team into the spawn rooms, its GG. Thats something I learned from the OWL & watching streamers, is that the game is a lot longer then you realize. Just because you lost a point, lost a fight, doesn't mean the games over already. Wish more people pick up on that aspect.
That’s a pervasive mentality that really grinds my gears and astounds me. They give up at first point and I’m like, dude this game can run even 15~ mins and I’ve seen crazier turnarounds. A loss mentality will for sure lose you a game though outside of any skill.
This is one spot where emongg goes a little wrong. If you're playing ball, tracer, genji, doom, or sombra, you should be attacking when the enemy team is distracted/facing your team. As a result, you should be getting EXTRA value compared to your teammates who are attacking head-on and are not benefiting from your immediate ability to peel/help sustain the 5 players facing them. If. A. You are not getting enough value/distracting well enough to offset the 4v5 you're creating, and the other team is not dying faster than yours, or B. you aren't able to aggressively peel to help sustain your other four members; you are in fact a net negative. No, this ball isn't feeding, but they're playing a doom and not peeling AND getting less backline pressure than the doom. Not to mention incredibly poor ult usage. Should the lifewaver be a clown? No. But Emongg is talking about the support on the ball's team dying early... They're dying because Doom is getting more pressure than the ball AND the ball isn't peeling. That's a losing combination. In the end, it ended up working out because the ball played well enough and the team played well enough, but the theory still stands. Emongg talks about adapting in games all the time. This ball should have either switched or started VERY aggressively peeling for this doom that is ripping their backline (or focused on causing more heavy backline pressure themselves, but that's much tougher to learn).
@@andersj91When they say perceived value they are talking strictly numbers, that extra actual value doesnt get reflected on the scoreboard and so allot of players dont "perceive" it and think the flankers not doing enough
I think when that person swapped to LW and keeps gripping ball it's about ego at that point. I can almost guarantee you they realized that the ball didn't play bad but they didn't want to be wrong and got blinded by his own rage
This Community is baby I don't expect much I got flame when I play good on rein and also got flame when I don't go with what tanks they wants bro we on gold rank and for some dude that have 11 deaths and like 100 damage that some bull shit I got to hear
@@mohamadredzwan6628 this community will cry about anything. They cried so hard about sombra until they made her useless, now every time I play Tracer or Genji they cry so hard about them. Like wtf? Everyone has to be a CoD character for you to be happy or what? So fucking annoying
I picked ball in quickplay once and our Moira immediately went "I'm not healing you, ball." He would go out of his way to not heal me. We didn't even leave spawn before he decided to throw because we had a ball... on a control map. I never asked for healing, I just started gobbling health packs since he said he wouldn't heal me. I stood in front of him with low health one time and he shook his Moira head "no" so I didn't try again. But he was also saying stuff like "Oh, I need healing! Well that's too fucking bad I'm not gonna heal you one time, watch." . He went on like that for so long without me saying anything or complaining, that someone else came into vc and went "is ball talking? I don't hear him." He was arguing with himself so much that anyone who could hear him was confused. He also informed me that "they made ball when there were two tanks, you fucking idiot" so I guess the only viable tanks are... Mauga, Junkerqueen, and Ramattra?
that's so annoying but also wrecking ball IS a hero that u should know where health packs are especially for this reason, he's difficult to heal if he's doing wrecking ball right lol
@@cardtower While this is true, as a support player, if I see my wrecking ball standing right in front of me, I'll heal them. It's just common sense to heal someone who's in front of you.
@@marshmallows8502 @bad3abdul yeah the reading comprehension here is weak, this person is not saying that you shouldnt heal wrecking ball just because wrecking ball should know the position of health packs
As soon as I saw the name carrypotter I knew he would be lucio/lifeweaver. That guy is a known thrower/troll and used to smurf in any rank ranging from diamond to silver on multiple accounts in eu. The guy has been doing that for literally years.
I mean it takes a lot for a ball player to actually die, but if If they don't do enough in the backline and/or are constantly out of the fight to grab a mega then your team is essentially playing without a tank. not saying that's the case here, or that it would justify the lw behavior either way but a ball can 100% be the problem on a team and have the least deaths
I feel like sombra should be happy with wrecking ball since they can both aid each others engagements she can help him with hack he can help her with booping the enemy distracting them But it seems supports and DPS hate adapting to help
as a wrecking ball player, there are no DPS i love playing with more than sombra and tracer. tracer has the same kind of persistent pressure which makes picks more common, and sombra can hack a health pack and keep me in the fight longer, plus dive the target i slam and risk nothing doing it.
I had a case in a quickplay match the other day where I was queued with a few friends and the other team had a really good wrecking ball that kept us on our toes the entire game. He was constantly diving the backline and getting cooldowns out of us. It seemed like I spent half the match peeling for my supports. We all agreed this ball was crazy and it was so shocking when the game was over on a tight victory on our part that three players on their team blamed the ball. The disconnect between the value your team and the enemy team sees in a good ball player can be substantial. All we noticed was how little the enemy would capitalize on the ball’s dives that left us vulnerable, but I guess all they saw was their tank rolling around the map. People gotta have more faith in their Wrecking Balls, they put in the work more often than not.
i play wrecking ball, and to hear that the sombra was mad because she had a wrecking ball just breaks my brain. the two characters have tons of synergy. hack health packs ball wants to use, hack targets he slams, distract the back line endlessly. i know i wouldn't complain if i was the sombra, either. it's a much more active comp. of course, i just like playing with a wrecking ball in general. some of my favorite games have had me on brig and a wrecking ball. fights always have a very interesting flow.
As an Ana main I hate playing with ball. But never in my LIFE have I ever given a ball player shit in game. Tanks are not there to hold my hand and protect me from all fire. if the ball is doing good disruptive ball things I should be relatively free to stay back and do some nice damage soooo sometimes it’s real nice :)) If they are truly a bad ball I’ll simply switch if I’m lacking survivability with Ana. There is no point in being a jerk and asking for them to switch considering there is a high chance I’m in quick play and not ranked anyway (even if it was ranked, I may ask for a swap, but not before looking at our comp and figuring out what I can swap to to help!!!).
Entirely depends on your playstile. Agressive Anas like to play with Ball because he doesn't relay much on healing and also gives plenty windows of opportunity for free aiming at the enemy to splash big nades and secure kills. Anas that prefer to healbot tanks in front of them hate Ball because they can't build ult fast enough and have less layers of protection in front of them. At least you do an attempt to adapt to your team, unlike most players, lol.
@ I feel I said that… To clarify my words further: a good ball means I have a good time because of the value he gives me- I can focus doing damage, offensive nades etc and is generally one less person to heal so I can be more aggressive. Playing aggressive doesn’t mean i have to play in the enemy teams ass with tracer. Playing back doesn’t mean I am playing passively. Ball can very much suit my playstyle BUT I still personally don’t usually like playing with ball. My main point was despite any personal feelings I would never have the audacity to be an asshole to someone that wants to play ball :))
@@reidhind5877 As ana shouldn't you be happy with ball because of your king sightlines and being able to assist with bases like ana and Juno are usually a go to pick when you have a ball
@ if u read my other comments here I literally say that. I didn’t think I needed to go into why I still don’t prefer playing with ball as tank despite it being nice sometimes as Ana. AGAIN, my main point was meant to be I would never ask for the ball to switch or even think about being a dick even if the ball is bad. I find that to be such loser behaviour and does nothing to help, poor tank players man :(((
The hardest part of Wrecking ball is...like...I want to get good at him, so I need to practice. I'm going to suck at first for sure, but there's such a perceived negative bias towards him that it's hard to get that practice to get good in without my team thinking I'm doing nothing and flaming me. Or even worse, throwing because they assume I am.
I spent a good 2 weeks hard locking Ball in qp when I finally decided to learn him. Tuning out the teammates when/if they start flaming is hard, but you gotta do to get those hours in. Once you get the hang of the movement, it really opens the maps up for some shenanigans. One call out I’ve found handy to make is letting your team know when you’re grabbing a mega, that way (hopefully) your supports don’t try to follow you and the team will (hopefully) understand you’re about to disappear for a bit.
Yeah, people flaming is something you have to get good at ignoring if you want to play ball. I’ll turn off chat sometimes for a few days if I feel like it’s getting to me.
I honestly don’t mind seeing a wrecking ball or Doomfist main on my team, I don’t really see the point in throwing a fit before the match even starts, plus I don’t think it’s fair to the player that’s probably spent hours trying to learn the character, at least give them a chance. Now, if they’re deliberately throwing the game, I don’t know what to say, that’s basically just overwatch.
I hate playing with or against doomfist/wrecking ball, but I never throw, i still support and try to adjust my playstyle and help the tank. Theres never an excuse to throw, if someone’s mental is that weak, they just shouldn’t play overwatch
Last week, a winston decided to throw because one support picked Illari. He rage hard and started screaming about how picking Illari is a throw play. They switched to Moira and the Winston kept raging because "we were on the losing side and it would be a huge struggle to win by this point." He threw the second round again because he wanted to punish the player for daring to pick Illari. We got stomped. If someone isnt playing a full team, one should try to adapt to the rest of the party on some level because if the team isnt on the same page, the tea is going to have a harder time winning.
what was the other support I understand illari winston(they can't help each other she does her own thing he does his own) can be bad but if the other supp is a main support they can help or the winston can switch to help if the illari is bad at other heroes Know what map it was? cos map is important
@@Bad3abdul I was playing Mercy that round. 30 seconds into the match Winston jumped off the stage when he realized the other support was Illari (he hadnt noticed until that moment). He was mad and match had barely even started. Edit:It was in lijiang tower (night market).
@kecleonic ok that guy has a problem tbh fact he jumped if without giving illari a chance I know the support lineup doesn't help him but at least he should have gave it a chance maybe the illari was a cracked DPS or he could easily switch
This ball did really well, honestly. There are a few minor things here and there (some missed opportunities for piledrive damage, grapple placement could be a little better sometimes) but they performed really well. I'm amazed they still managed to pull out a win despite the Weaver griefing. They should definitely be able to climb though.
>Enemy Tracer misses pulse >Walk straight into it >"These pesky ball players throwing my games!" >Decides to ACTUALLY throw the game for some reason Support brain
Yeah I got that a few times too, even worse when it's directly at the beginning, I got an Ana that refused to heal me for the whole game for playing Ball and we lost.
Lucio, Sombra and Ball is a comp that I would cry if I went up against in Comp. They had the potential to be back line menaces but instead chose to harass the ball. Wild.
16:19, you had the soldier low and you could have killed him with slam after him running off high ground but you shifted off finishing the kill. That lost you the first point. He had ult and you had mega health pack to pick up down main alley. Finishing kills is important when you had a character out of position like he was. With your high hp and high mobility tank, and your aim, you would have killed the 76 if you just focused on finishing the kill with him. Would have been a victory after that.
People get mad if you’re not constantly in the tanks face. Also, if you main ball you better get used to being flamed. It’ll happen every other game without rhyme or reason.
The reason is simply that people don't like playing around Ball. Even if you're doing well, Ball is not a fun tank to have on your team. You're trading all frontline presence for the ability to be a nuisance to the enemy, which means that your teammates get no cover, no peel and no space. It can be effective, but if there's a good ball player in a match, they are the only person having fun.
@ I feel like the frustration comes from people not understanding how to play with a ball (or don’t want to change their playstyle). You have to have good game knowledge and positioning to capitalize on his engagements. He does all the things your typical tank does, but in a different way. Gotta use that natural cover like it’s your tank and the team has to take the space/map control when ball engages. He creates space by causing a distraction and forcing the enemy team to peel. A lot of my issues arise when my team doesn’t know how to take map control on my engages. He does kinda suck at peeling though so I’ll give you that one. I fell like it just takes a playstyle adjustment but people want to play the game the way people want to play the game. Including myself 🐹
As a Ball main I don't like Numbani but you did excellent. Quit holding your damn mines tho. That enemy tank loved to disengage backwards without paying attention. You could easily get a free kill if you placed mines begind them plus the piledrive ult combo
Right? I main ball too and was *screaming* at the number of great mine opportunities that passed by there to separate the team from the doom. Probably could have gotten another 3-5 minefields in the whole match if they weren't holding on to them.
This is why i love to play ball. With what Emongg was saying at around 13:15 it happens so many times to me where a teammate will complain or flame me for just PLAYING ball. The other day one was like, "Can we get a real tank" or something similar even though we werent just winning, we were stomping them. They full countered ball (cass, ana, hog) and we still won and they were adamant that ball was the wrong pick there
LMAO the fact you still won is awesome! Keep up the good work. What I like to do is see how I can work around with a teammate pulling that sort of shiz. As Emong said some of the pulls were good to reset and recover by them! So they did help a bit at the swap.
Is CarryPotter a streamer mode name? Cause if not, I can attest that this person is self centred and cannot comprehend Dive as a concept. Played with an LW by that name once before and they flamed me despite gripping me off cooldown making it impossible to go for punches as Doom. They also don't seem to understand that others may have a plan when they go to less good cover. Not saying I was playing perfect, but pulling back into my team during my punch is a tad annoying.
While I don't agree with the rude behavior, LW gets such a bad rap from tank players in general. A good Weaver is going to pull you. He's going to use his abilities. The sympathy goes both ways. It's a name that's commonly used as a meme name, too. So many people have it.
@@moonyfruit I getcha. I always get scared when someone locks LW but I have played with good ones and can tell the difference. A good LW is really nice cause I can go for much risker things and just knowing I can tends to help me play better.
@@moonyfruit Every once in a while when I do something stupid or the enemy does something unexpected, I get pulled for good reason Though there have been sooooo many times where I get pulled for no legitimate reason, even in Diamond PSA for all LW players: If you see your Ball engage the enemy team with full HP and E up, they probably have a plan, don't mess it up for them
As a counter to the perceived value argument, sometimes ball is doing tons of work distracting the enemy backline, but his own backline is actually dying to the enemy tank. Not saying that was happening in this game, but even a solo ball playing pretty well can be a net negative for the team if he is doing less than the enemy tank at the same objective.
Since the start of the game the Lucio/Bap fed his brains out. Has bad ult usage especially beating that high noon and then still dying to it. My god, the ego and toxicity on some of these players are insane. Imagine playing Lucio/Bap when youre whole team revolves around "not being there" and being far away from you to actually do something then complains about getting dove and not getting help. Classic
That Lucio/Weaver is the definition of "actively looking for someone else to blame." Dying constantly but it can't be their fault so it's the Wrecking Ball's fault for not kissing his booboos.
what i noticed is that they never went behind the enemy through flank routes nor went for high ground boops/displacement; if they did that then they would be doing a lot more work with hampter instead of always going down main, clearly visible to everyone on enemy team, and not making much space or paranoia for enemy they would also follow enemies like genji hiding away deep in their backline which lets the enemy push for free also too much time in crab form and not enough in abusing boop spam / grapple after 500h of hampter, i would focus a lot on the value of disruption and flanks on maps! also, mines are a free ult pmuch, use it for free area denial or point contesting; otherwise to split the team so they cant go back down main to reach their allies, forcing feeding or retreats. just make sure people are there that can actually follow up on your mines. they also allow you to defend / attack two spots at the same time 🐹👍
it depends on the enemy team composition, where you are spinning, and why you are spinning if the enemy is running a CC heavy comp, it is likely that spinning will be too predictable and you will end up stunned out of grapple in a suboptimal position its an easy way to contest points, build ult, deny space, and force a C9, but often times you will find other things such as bouncing off of walls and holding onto grapple in general to be able to displace people more than once will help you get more value out of your grapple cooldowns grapple is an incredibly strong ability not just for mobility, but also for constantly throwing people out of position, and denying them access to optimal shooting locations. this often matters more than simply going in to try and kill them, or spinning around when everyone is busy shooting at your teammates instead of pushing in, as does baiting people to peel one target just to abuse your mobility to go after another, or isolate them even further from the team fight, or getting out important cooldowns since yours are so short say the enemy is playing roadhog and cassidy, maybe sombra (junkrat especially cuz of trap). spinning around probably wont do you any favors. instead, you can try and push the supports out of position and force a peel from the other support; this leaves hog and the frontline vulnerable and you can double back to shove hog or cass deeper into your back line and secure a kill with your team. you can skip the support part if the tank/dps is out of position, since the supports will have to expose themselves to be able to save those players, and you might be able to disrupt that or take advantage of it with a well positioned team that can punish this if they are playing brawl or otherwise a really clumped together team, it can be difficult to get much value with him, but you can always build ult very quickly through boops, mid range poke, and piledrivers, and drop mines to force them to spread out a lot of wrecking ball is situational and playing mind games with the enemy; things you will learn over time as you develop valuable mechanical skills, match experience, and map experience, but i hope this helps to understand your question and maybe a bit more about the hamster! i recommend watching top players just to get a glimpse of how they use grapple and move around the map if you are curious about what to learn and pick up. dont need to copy them play for play, just observe and take notes for engagements 🐹🤙
God I hate Lifeweavers while ball. Pulled so many times, said tank diff while stopping me from engaging the enemy. I remember giving the lifeweaver a whole earful in VC after he started crying tank diff.
Its not the feeding. The teammate got mad cause in low elos they think the tanks are meant to “protect” them like its world of Warcraft tanking. I play in gold as doom mostly but the moment a support gets dove one time they demand you hold a shield in their face the rest of the game
lmao yes, once we were losing while i was on rein so i go winston, managed to kill the 2 dps kept a supp busy and then dissengage on the gribaltar plane, at that moment i saw our mercy complaining that i wasn't frontlining the orisa after my team didnt tried to push their tank alone with a supp, low elo struggle to play with non wall tanks
While, I agree generally - if something isn't working for your team, it's on you to make whatever change you can for your own value on the team. Changing your gameplay to peel for a teammate once & awhile may be enough for your team to win. You only have control over you.
@moonyfruit i completely agree that there has to be some intent to aid in peel, but again we are talking lower elo lobbies who also have very little knowledge of good positioning. I mean i see it all the time of anas playing so close to their tank the end of the barrel is clipping the tanks artwork. Im not saying that a ball or doom is meant to be in the backline 100% of the time cause that would be crazy, but my experience is that when a “healer” gets dove once “you need to protect us” meanwhile they will not fire their weapon at the enemy diving them. So yes you have to peel for your team but also the supports need to position better and in some cases in low elo lobbies…. Actually fight back
@@moonyfruit i made a reply to this comment i dont know that it actually @‘d you in it though. I tried to edit it to include your name but i doubt it actually worked. But i generally agree. The rest of the comment will add more context
@@axelt6312 that’s exactly my frustration, i have alot of plays where i can pull all but the tank away but my 4 teammates get soloed by the one tank cause the dps start to panic looking at a rein or zarya walking at then and the supports are only looking to heal.
The funny thing is his trow pulls over all were probably more good then bad. Only the one where he was killing Cass really hurt and a few others actually helped.
The only thing worse than a good sombra is a good ball. At least when you're getting singled out by a Sombra as a support, you know it'll be over soon. Once a ball starts to harass you, it's like a lion playing with it's food.
A few days ago, I played with a Ball player who was having a rough game-he went 4 and 8 with just 1k damage and around 3k mitigated. We kept telling him to swap because he was just feeding, and we even pointed out his poor K/D and damage stats. His response? “That’s because they’re playing anti-Ball,” referring to their Mauga. We told him, “Then swap off Ball to counter the Mauga.” Even their Mauga agreed with us in the game chat while we were typing. But the Ball player refused to switch, and we ended up losing as everyone on the team out-fragged him-even the Mercy, who had a whopping 70 damage.
14:33 just a little nitpick that right here would be a perfect time to give his supports those shields and it was a miss opportunity 15:52 right as he was saying it lol
The reason I despise seeing a ball on my team is not that I hate ball, it's that 9/10 times we get stomped because we don't have a tank. I have seen a few good ball players and they are genuinely good. But when I have a gold 1 ball saying "trust" before the match starts in a high plat - low diamond lobby, I can't help but get pissed knowing that we are going to lose.
Wrecking ball is the only tank i've ever truly played, with 250+ hours on him. I have to take breaks because of teammates like this because my will is just not strong enough to deal with it sometimes LOL, especially with it now being one tank it gets frustrating because it feels like theres so much more pressure. Watching this video also sort of made me realize how smooth my ball is (in comparison), my hours have given me plenty time to move smoothly around maps, play against many different heros and comps, have good grapple and slam spots, etc. Though im in similar rank just from one tricking ball (plat 3), If i played more comp, especially with the right people, I think I could climb more, but my own mental really holds me back I'd say, and these teammates make it more difficult. (I'll literally be 3-5 stacking with the same people regularly of higher and lower ranks and they have never really seen my ball because im just too worried, even if im significantly higher rank and could probably carry and enable them, or if they're higher than me and could carry and enable me). I hope all ball players have a joyful and happy time balling, i love seeing other hammy players in ow. I wish this baller the best! They have so much potential and are doing great!
@@mattbvii Yes yes yes!! Ive also had to turn my chats off for extended periods of time, which sucks because i love to communicate with my team ESP as ball. The 50-50 thing is also so true, its like everyone automatically thinks a ball will always be bad so when u actually do good you get praised, but otherwise you get flamed. Also, whats with us getting so much blame when half the time things arent even our fault? Like i get asked to swap when im killing it and not the dps going negative!!! But very good insight at the end, such a helpful reminder for me, thank you!
My one issue with wrecking ball is when I dive with them on a flank and they just dip right away just a slam and go then I have to disengage using cool downs like I seriously don't understand how I'm supposed to play with one, unperseved value is good but when everyone on their team just choses to ignore them and walk through our team 5v4 because the wrecking ball didn't apply backline support is annoying, bad ball players ruined the perception of ball so when someone applies backline pressure and flanks your team is already tilted on character selection screen
I will say Ball can be a very unfun tank to have on your team. Not saying the backline pressure isn't valuable, but it does mean sacrificing all frontline presence, so you kind of force your entire team into specific pics to go along with Ball because otherwise the enemy team will just walk over them with noone creating space in the front.
I saw the name of the WreckingBall over halfway through, and I realized something... I think I've played with this person before! And yk what? I think they were on ball. I believe I was playing with my friend Kai, and we both joked about how we were screwed (We're support mains and quite used to feeding balls, so it's a joke we always make) And I'm like 99% sure they actually cooked our enemy team and carried us the whole game. Granted, we aren't high ranked players, but I specifically remember thinking, "Dang, this ball is actually pretty crazy"
This happened to me literally 2 days ago loaded in picked ball and instantly two of my teammates instantly start complaining we were on first point of a payload match it was overtime and I got lifegrabed when I was the last one on it leading us to lose
I subconsciously find myself playing too passive and peel focused on ball when my team starts complaining. Maybe that’s why this person played a bit passive.
i feel like ball gets so much less value on any payload mode on defense. The issue with ball as a tank in payload is even if hes getting kills, putting backline pressure, the payload rarely stops. And if ball puts a lot of effort into stopping payload or attacking a clump on payload, he normally ends up feeding.
i had a winston blame me for their death (i was mercy). i asked where they were and they said “on the point where you should’ve been.” and i said “oh, you mean the point that i died on because you jumped across the map while i was trying to heal you?” he stopped speaking.
i feel like im one of the only support mains who actually likes playing w ball or doom... like yea a bad one sucks but any bad tank sucks. a good even just decent ball or doom is usually super fun imo
I think they think tanks should fight the tanks instead of going for squishes so it probably made them mad that the rest of the team had to deal with he enemy tank
I know that Lifeweaver player. (I had him in a Unrank game and he keep pulling me back and when i still refuse swap he started feeding and blaming me.) Edit: also i had guy who keep telling me (The Dive tank i was playing wiston) and guy told me to stop jumping into enemy back lines and shield my team. (Keep in mind me and my friends were playing Dive heroes)
Depends. If they don't die in 3 sec, and I see them doing stuff and going for healthpacks, I assume they're doing something. Obviously can't see what he's shooting or rolling on, but as long as they don't die instantly and heal themselves instead of crying that healers can't heal them through 5 walls, it's all good
I've had these issues in gold 2 as well were people tell me Lucio is terrible or report me cause I was having to fill in their DPS role and couldn't heal cause they were playing support
I've noticed a lot of supports at this rank can't stay alive on their preferred characters so they blame the tank for not being their full-time bodyguard.
Besides the obvious things you pointed out I feel like he needs to think more about his E, the fact that you can get 600 more HP out of nowhere is no joke He should also get somewhat more comfortable with the grapple and general movement
The thing I find crazy (but honestly, Nubani has been like this since the dawn of time, I hate that map not because I hate the map but because 75% of players below, idk, probably masters, don't know how to play on it and behave like bozos literally always)) is Numbani is a pretty strong ball map. Like, if he's your best hero and it's a good map for the hero, and the enemy team isn't running a full compliment of counters, why would you even swap? Makes no sense.
Honestly looks like my low masters ball gameplay some of the time. Just needs to brush up on a little tech and some decision making and this could easily be masters.
Phrasing it “feed more” is kinda wrong. Ball just takes more damage when he runs it down main, the advice is “stop running it down main” especially on numbani, nightmare choke
I played a game once where I was getting blamed so wholefully it was unbelieveable. Like we killed all of them and I was the only one on point. EVERYONE else pushed further, killing dps and support. Me on ana, alone on point. SOMEHOW the rammatra was able to get to me. As soon as he appeared on my screen, I screamed "RAM ON POINT" All 4 mates were in TC, hearing my cries for help. Hearing the terror in my voice as I heard "SUFFER AS I HAVE". I died on point and got blamed because I..... guess what? I C9!!!!!! I did throw the game by C9 in their perspective. HOW TF SHOULD I C9 IF A SUFFER AS I HAVE RAMMATRA KILLS ME ON POINT.
If the OW community as a whole were like Emongg, this game would be way the hell more enjoyable. Most of the time I can only mentally take a few matches before I log off for the day.
Only criticism I have for that ball: He's not using his ult enough. Other than that he's doing a good job. Seriously, that "Carrypotter" dude makes me wish I could block the guy preemptively... Really don't need to have THAT kind of guy in my team, EVER. "Carry..." my A....
See, some players have the misconception that tanks are supposed to baby sit them and keep them safe from all harm. Tuck them in at night and kiss their foreheads. That's not the tank's job. If you as a support are having a bad time because Monkee is diving you, then your other support is supposed to keep you up, and if not, then you swap to something that just won't die as easily. It's not that fucking hard.
It's just such a shame that blizzard has decided to give supports the ability to not only deny value from the enemy team off bad plays from players on your team, but also just give them tools to purposely troll your own team when their egos get fractured.
So many players have this really bad perception of tanks. They expect every tank to play like rein. Big immovable thing down main. The concept of a tank managing aggro is so beyond the understanding of most players.
I'm not saying I'm the best ball but I've hit diamond 3 with a ball only account. With sombras and hogs in every match. My advice would be: 1. Use those shields. There's so many slams with 3+ people that he didn't shield till he was getting out. U can get so much hp, consume enemy resources, and remember SHIELDS DON'T FEED ULT CHARGE. 2. SLAM THAT ASS. He slams people on the edge of his range. Slam right on that ass, shoot that ass as theyre falling down and get that melee. It's like Winston jump melee burst damage. But he fed less than I do so I thought played well. It's part of the ball life. I hit diamond 3 with 68% win percentage and got shit every game. Leave VC and play some jams my guy
Ball plays on its own format. For him it's not a 5v5 but instead a 1v9
As Chazm once said "When you play Ball the enemy team hates you, your teammates hate you, everybody's day is ruined and you're having a great time"
Love that man. You can watch him absolutely dominate and people will still complain. The life of a ball main 🎱
@@josewolf9884 Absolute Cinema 🙌
I remember a team kicking me because I had too many hours on ball. I was gonna be playing roadhog with them 💀
The lower the rank, more this happens and with a lot more characters than ball
I remember when Hog mains said that about Hog.
18:52 The problem is, to some, just losing the first point means the game is over, and if your team isn't stomping the enemy team into the spawn rooms, its GG. Thats something I learned from the OWL & watching streamers, is that the game is a lot longer then you realize. Just because you lost a point, lost a fight, doesn't mean the games over already. Wish more people pick up on that aspect.
I remember emongg said that in a dva vod
America is if I don't win I quit, good luck on that
Wrecking ball at plat lol, I'm a wrecking ball main gold and I'm 15x better than this dude, fake game...
@@tylerbacoka4248 nah that's just people these days
That’s a pervasive mentality that really grinds my gears and astounds me. They give up at first point and I’m like, dude this game can run even 15~ mins and I’ve seen crazier turnarounds. A loss mentality will for sure lose you a game though outside of any skill.
Sombra of all people not understanding perceived vs actual value is hilarious
This is one spot where emongg goes a little wrong. If you're playing ball, tracer, genji, doom, or sombra, you should be attacking when the enemy team is distracted/facing your team. As a result, you should be getting EXTRA value compared to your teammates who are attacking head-on and are not benefiting from your immediate ability to peel/help sustain the 5 players facing them. If. A. You are not getting enough value/distracting well enough to offset the 4v5 you're creating, and the other team is not dying faster than yours, or B. you aren't able to aggressively peel to help sustain your other four members; you are in fact a net negative.
No, this ball isn't feeding, but they're playing a doom and not peeling AND getting less backline pressure than the doom. Not to mention incredibly poor ult usage. Should the lifewaver be a clown? No. But Emongg is talking about the support on the ball's team dying early... They're dying because Doom is getting more pressure than the ball AND the ball isn't peeling. That's a losing combination.
In the end, it ended up working out because the ball played well enough and the team played well enough, but the theory still stands. Emongg talks about adapting in games all the time. This ball should have either switched or started VERY aggressively peeling for this doom that is ripping their backline (or focused on causing more heavy backline pressure themselves, but that's much tougher to learn).
@@andersj91When they say perceived value they are talking strictly numbers, that extra actual value doesnt get reflected on the scoreboard and so allot of players dont "perceive" it and think the flankers not doing enough
I think when that person swapped to LW and keeps gripping ball it's about ego at that point. I can almost guarantee you they realized that the ball didn't play bad but they didn't want to be wrong and got blinded by his own rage
Baby community it's what you come to expect
This Community is baby I don't expect much I got flame when I play good on rein and also got flame when I don't go with what tanks they wants bro we on gold rank and for some dude that have 11 deaths and like 100 damage that some bull shit I got to hear
community is baby :D cute lil baby :D
@@mohamadredzwan6628 this community will cry about anything. They cried so hard about sombra until they made her useless, now every time I play Tracer or Genji they cry so hard about them. Like wtf? Everyone has to be a CoD character for you to be happy or what? So fucking annoying
I picked ball in quickplay once and our Moira immediately went "I'm not healing you, ball." He would go out of his way to not heal me. We didn't even leave spawn before he decided to throw because we had a ball... on a control map. I never asked for healing, I just started gobbling health packs since he said he wouldn't heal me. I stood in front of him with low health one time and he shook his Moira head "no" so I didn't try again. But he was also saying stuff like "Oh, I need healing! Well that's too fucking bad I'm not gonna heal you one time, watch." . He went on like that for so long without me saying anything or complaining, that someone else came into vc and went "is ball talking? I don't hear him." He was arguing with himself so much that anyone who could hear him was confused. He also informed me that "they made ball when there were two tanks, you fucking idiot" so I guess the only viable tanks are... Mauga, Junkerqueen, and Ramattra?
that's so annoying but also wrecking ball IS a hero that u should know where health packs are especially for this reason, he's difficult to heal if he's doing wrecking ball right lol
Lol they tried to throw by (almost) playing correctly. How stupid.
@@cardtower of course but I don't think that should justify standing in front of a Moira and not getting healed
@@cardtower While this is true, as a support player, if I see my wrecking ball standing right in front of me, I'll heal them. It's just common sense to heal someone who's in front of you.
@@marshmallows8502 @bad3abdul yeah the reading comprehension here is weak, this person is not saying that you shouldnt heal wrecking ball just because wrecking ball should know the position of health packs
As soon as I saw the name carrypotter I knew he would be lucio/lifeweaver. That guy is a known thrower/troll and used to smurf in any rank ranging from diamond to silver on multiple accounts in eu. The guy has been doing that for literally years.
Ball died like 3 times total?
Potter died 3 times a minute.
@@adamsky21 😂😂😂😂😂
I mean it takes a lot for a ball player to actually die, but if If they don't do enough in the backline and/or are constantly out of the fight to grab a mega then your team is essentially playing without a tank.
not saying that's the case here, or that it would justify the lw behavior either way but a ball can 100% be the problem on a team and have the least deaths
@@pavivier nothing justifies petty sabotage even if the ball was doing bad
@@hampter8992 yeah that's what i said
@@pavivier oh i misread it my bad
I feel like sombra should be happy with wrecking ball since they can both aid each others engagements she can help him with hack he can help her with booping the enemy distracting them
But it seems supports and DPS hate adapting to help
as a wrecking ball player, there are no DPS i love playing with more than sombra and tracer. tracer has the same kind of persistent pressure which makes picks more common, and sombra can hack a health pack and keep me in the fight longer, plus dive the target i slam and risk nothing doing it.
@@strangejunewhen I have a ball on my team I always try to hack some packs for them ❤
@@strangejune Nice 🙂
I had a case in a quickplay match the other day where I was queued with a few friends and the other team had a really good wrecking ball that kept us on our toes the entire game. He was constantly diving the backline and getting cooldowns out of us. It seemed like I spent half the match peeling for my supports. We all agreed this ball was crazy and it was so shocking when the game was over on a tight victory on our part that three players on their team blamed the ball. The disconnect between the value your team and the enemy team sees in a good ball player can be substantial. All we noticed was how little the enemy would capitalize on the ball’s dives that left us vulnerable, but I guess all they saw was their tank rolling around the map. People gotta have more faith in their Wrecking Balls, they put in the work more often than not.
The lucio died 3 times in a row then swapped. Just to flame the tank. That's the kind of players I got in my gold 2-1 lobbies.
Same it rough I am rein main
us lucios are not all like this. we'll die 10 times in a row before swapping!
i play wrecking ball, and to hear that the sombra was mad because she had a wrecking ball just breaks my brain. the two characters have tons of synergy. hack health packs ball wants to use, hack targets he slams, distract the back line endlessly. i know i wouldn't complain if i was the sombra, either. it's a much more active comp.
of course, i just like playing with a wrecking ball in general. some of my favorite games have had me on brig and a wrecking ball. fights always have a very interesting flow.
As an Ana main I hate playing with ball. But never in my LIFE have I ever given a ball player shit in game. Tanks are not there to hold my hand and protect me from all fire.
if the ball is doing good disruptive ball things I should be relatively free to stay back and do some nice damage soooo sometimes it’s real nice :)) If they are truly a bad ball I’ll simply switch if I’m lacking survivability with Ana. There is no point in being a jerk and asking for them to switch considering there is a high chance I’m in quick play and not ranked anyway (even if it was ranked, I may ask for a swap, but not before looking at our comp and figuring out what I can swap to to help!!!).
you're a beautiful person
Entirely depends on your playstile. Agressive Anas like to play with Ball because he doesn't relay much on healing and also gives plenty windows of opportunity for free aiming at the enemy to splash big nades and secure kills. Anas that prefer to healbot tanks in front of them hate Ball because they can't build ult fast enough and have less layers of protection in front of them.
At least you do an attempt to adapt to your team, unlike most players, lol.
@ I feel I said that… To clarify my words further: a good ball means I have a good time because of the value he gives me- I can focus doing damage, offensive nades etc and is generally one less person to heal so I can be more aggressive. Playing aggressive doesn’t mean i have to play in the enemy teams ass with tracer. Playing back doesn’t mean I am playing passively. Ball can very much suit my playstyle BUT I still personally don’t usually like playing with ball. My main point was despite any personal feelings I would never have the audacity to be an asshole to someone that wants to play ball :))
@@reidhind5877 As ana shouldn't you be happy with ball because of your king sightlines and being able to assist with bases like ana and Juno are usually a go to pick when you have a ball
@ if u read my other comments here I literally say that. I didn’t think I needed to go into why I still don’t prefer playing with ball as tank despite it being nice sometimes as Ana. AGAIN, my main point was meant to be I would never ask for the ball to switch or even think about being a dick even if the ball is bad. I find that to be such loser behaviour and does nothing to help, poor tank players man :(((
The hardest part of Wrecking ball is...like...I want to get good at him, so I need to practice. I'm going to suck at first for sure, but there's such a perceived negative bias towards him that it's hard to get that practice to get good in without my team thinking I'm doing nothing and flaming me. Or even worse, throwing because they assume I am.
And it’s even worse with the whole only one tank on a team deal
I spent a good 2 weeks hard locking Ball in qp when I finally decided to learn him. Tuning out the teammates when/if they start flaming is hard, but you gotta do to get those hours in. Once you get the hang of the movement, it really opens the maps up for some shenanigans. One call out I’ve found handy to make is letting your team know when you’re grabbing a mega, that way (hopefully) your supports don’t try to follow you and the team will (hopefully) understand you’re about to disappear for a bit.
Yeah, people flaming is something you have to get good at ignoring if you want to play ball. I’ll turn off chat sometimes for a few days if I feel like it’s getting to me.
yeah you just gotta play it and mute whiners, or tell them to get gud
Turn off chat. They never say anything useful anyways, I don’t even want to have to see one message from these pathetic losers lmao.
I honestly don’t mind seeing a wrecking ball or Doomfist main on my team, I don’t really see the point in throwing a fit before the match even starts, plus I don’t think it’s fair to the player that’s probably spent hours trying to learn the character, at least give them a chance. Now, if they’re deliberately throwing the game, I don’t know what to say, that’s basically just overwatch.
I hate doomfist players with a passion. They never swap even when they are countered, they feed, and blame everyone else but themselves.
Both of them bring so much value to the team. Rather have then than have a hog or a mauga
I hate playing with or against doomfist/wrecking ball, but I never throw, i still support and try to adjust my playstyle and help the tank. Theres never an excuse to throw, if someone’s mental is that weak, they just shouldn’t play overwatch
@@OkagaCalifornia Never switch. Have honor.
Last week, a winston decided to throw because one support picked Illari. He rage hard and started screaming about how picking Illari is a throw play. They switched to Moira and the Winston kept raging because "we were on the losing side and it would be a huge struggle to win by this point." He threw the second round again because he wanted to punish the player for daring to pick Illari. We got stomped. If someone isnt playing a full team, one should try to adapt to the rest of the party on some level because if the team isnt on the same page, the tea is going to have a harder time winning.
what was the other support
I understand illari winston(they can't help each other she does her own thing he does his own) can be bad but if the other supp is a main support they can help or the winston can switch to help if the illari is bad at other heroes
Know what map it was? cos map is important
@@Bad3abdul I was playing Mercy that round. 30 seconds into the match Winston jumped off the stage when he realized the other support was Illari (he hadnt noticed until that moment). He was mad and match had barely even started.
Edit:It was in lijiang tower (night market).
Man i hate illari too but throwing a game is crazy like whats the point then no one is having fun 😭
@kecleonic ok that guy has a problem tbh fact he jumped if without giving illari a chance
I know the support lineup doesn't help him but at least he should have gave it a chance maybe the illari was a cracked DPS or he could easily switch
@@Bad3abdul illari is probably the worst hero blizzard have ever released she doesn't even fit her role
How dare that tank not carry that support player
Sarcasm
Irony is he DID carry the lw 😂😂
more like hold their hand like a little baby taking its first steps 😭
This ball did really well, honestly. There are a few minor things here and there (some missed opportunities for piledrive damage, grapple placement could be a little better sometimes) but they performed really well. I'm amazed they still managed to pull out a win despite the Weaver griefing. They should definitely be able to climb though.
>Enemy Tracer misses pulse
>Walk straight into it
>"These pesky ball players throwing my games!"
>Decides to ACTUALLY throw the game for some reason
Support brain
Yeah I got that a few times too, even worse when it's directly at the beginning, I got an Ana that refused to heal me for the whole game for playing Ball and we lost.
As a plat player, that's genuinely among best ball gameplay I've seen here
Don't fireball if you don't need to, especially if engaging, so you'll still have grapple as an option
Lucio, Sombra and Ball is a comp that I would cry if I went up against in Comp. They had the potential to be back line menaces but instead chose to harass the ball. Wild.
16:19, you had the soldier low and you could have killed him with slam after him running off high ground but you shifted off finishing the kill. That lost you the first point. He had ult and you had mega health pack to pick up down main alley. Finishing kills is important when you had a character out of position like he was. With your high hp and high mobility tank, and your aim, you would have killed the 76 if you just focused on finishing the kill with him. Would have been a victory after that.
I think he was scared of tunnel visioning cause of the soldier
People get mad if you’re not constantly in the tanks face. Also, if you main ball you better get used to being flamed. It’ll happen every other game without rhyme or reason.
The reason is simply that people don't like playing around Ball. Even if you're doing well, Ball is not a fun tank to have on your team.
You're trading all frontline presence for the ability to be a nuisance to the enemy, which means that your teammates get no cover, no peel and no space.
It can be effective, but if there's a good ball player in a match, they are the only person having fun.
@ I feel like the frustration comes from people not understanding how to play with a ball (or don’t want to change their playstyle). You have to have good game knowledge and positioning to capitalize on his engagements. He does all the things your typical tank does, but in a different way.
Gotta use that natural cover like it’s your tank and the team has to take the space/map control when ball engages. He creates space by causing a distraction and forcing the enemy team to peel. A lot of my issues arise when my team doesn’t know how to take map control on my engages. He does kinda suck at peeling though so I’ll give you that one. I fell like it just takes a playstyle adjustment but people want to play the game the way people want to play the game. Including myself 🐹
As a Ball main I don't like Numbani but you did excellent. Quit holding your damn mines tho. That enemy tank loved to disengage backwards without paying attention. You could easily get a free kill if you placed mines begind them plus the piledrive ult combo
Right? I main ball too and was *screaming* at the number of great mine opportunities that passed by there to separate the team from the doom. Probably could have gotten another 3-5 minefields in the whole match if they weren't holding on to them.
This is why i love to play ball. With what Emongg was saying at around 13:15 it happens so many times to me where a teammate will complain or flame me for just PLAYING ball. The other day one was like, "Can we get a real tank" or something similar even though we werent just winning, we were stomping them. They full countered ball (cass, ana, hog) and we still won and they were adamant that ball was the wrong pick there
The Lucio fed 3 times in a row, got tilted, and started to throw.
that lucio/LW started to get pissed after they misplayed their ult i bet and then blames the easiest target (tank) as the reason for their bad play
I like the first engagement, the shooting while hovering in the air and smooth landing on top
LMAO the fact you still won is awesome! Keep up the good work. What I like to do is see how I can work around with a teammate pulling that sort of shiz. As Emong said some of the pulls were good to reset and recover by them! So they did help a bit at the swap.
The Lucio's name is "CarryPotter." I applaud that there isn't mention of him carrying the supports but there still must be a big ego for that.
As ana main, see their team comp make me feel chill in the back
Is CarryPotter a streamer mode name? Cause if not, I can attest that this person is self centred and cannot comprehend Dive as a concept. Played with an LW by that name once before and they flamed me despite gripping me off cooldown making it impossible to go for punches as Doom. They also don't seem to understand that others may have a plan when they go to less good cover. Not saying I was playing perfect, but pulling back into my team during my punch is a tad annoying.
While I don't agree with the rude behavior, LW gets such a bad rap from tank players in general. A good Weaver is going to pull you. He's going to use his abilities. The sympathy goes both ways.
It's a name that's commonly used as a meme name, too. So many people have it.
@@moonyfruit I getcha. I always get scared when someone locks LW but I have played with good ones and can tell the difference. A good LW is really nice cause I can go for much risker things and just knowing I can tends to help me play better.
Unless it was added in the last two patches, I can guarantee it is not a streamer mode name (I've used them all)
@@moonyfruit Every once in a while when I do something stupid or the enemy does something unexpected, I get pulled for good reason
Though there have been sooooo many times where I get pulled for no legitimate reason, even in Diamond
PSA for all LW players: If you see your Ball engage the enemy team with full HP and E up, they probably have a plan, don't mess it up for them
4:03 See the bap walking into the pulse bomb? I knew right here that this was the guy who would swap to lifeweaver later in game.
I like that take from emong anout wrecking ball mines, they should be used kind of like an ability kinda like dooms meteor strike
That pull when they went for cassidy actually made me so mad😭😭
As a counter to the perceived value argument, sometimes ball is doing tons of work distracting the enemy backline, but his own backline is actually dying to the enemy tank. Not saying that was happening in this game, but even a solo ball playing pretty well can be a net negative for the team if he is doing less than the enemy tank at the same objective.
I don't care when ball is on my team... But when they're on the other team I want to call a rat exterminator
Since the start of the game the Lucio/Bap fed his brains out. Has bad ult usage especially beating that high noon and then still dying to it. My god, the ego and toxicity on some of these players are insane. Imagine playing Lucio/Bap when youre whole team revolves around "not being there" and being far away from you to actually do something then complains about getting dove and not getting help. Classic
I’m starting to pick up ball this was a lot of help ln learning what I’ve been doing wrong or right thank you a lot and love watching your videos! 😊
That Lucio/Weaver is the definition of "actively looking for someone else to blame." Dying constantly but it can't be their fault so it's the Wrecking Ball's fault for not kissing his booboos.
what i noticed is that they never went behind the enemy through flank routes nor went for high ground boops/displacement; if they did that then they would be doing a lot more work with hampter instead of always going down main, clearly visible to everyone on enemy team, and not making much space or paranoia for enemy
they would also follow enemies like genji hiding away deep in their backline which lets the enemy push for free
also too much time in crab form and not enough in abusing boop spam / grapple
after 500h of hampter, i would focus a lot on the value of disruption and flanks on maps! also, mines are a free ult pmuch, use it for free area denial or point contesting; otherwise to split the team so they cant go back down main to reach their allies, forcing feeding or retreats. just make sure people are there that can actually follow up on your mines. they also allow you to defend / attack two spots at the same time
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Is spinning around in circles with grapple a good play?
it depends on the enemy team composition, where you are spinning, and why you are spinning
if the enemy is running a CC heavy comp, it is likely that spinning will be too predictable and you will end up stunned out of grapple in a suboptimal position
its an easy way to contest points, build ult, deny space, and force a C9, but often times you will find other things such as bouncing off of walls and holding onto grapple in general to be able to displace people more than once will help you get more value out of your grapple cooldowns
grapple is an incredibly strong ability not just for mobility, but also for constantly throwing people out of position, and denying them access to optimal shooting locations. this often matters more than simply going in to try and kill them, or spinning around when everyone is busy shooting at your teammates instead of pushing in, as does baiting people to peel one target just to abuse your mobility to go after another, or isolate them even further from the team fight, or getting out important cooldowns since yours are so short
say the enemy is playing roadhog and cassidy, maybe sombra (junkrat especially cuz of trap). spinning around probably wont do you any favors. instead, you can try and push the supports out of position and force a peel from the other support; this leaves hog and the frontline vulnerable and you can double back to shove hog or cass deeper into your back line and secure a kill with your team. you can skip the support part if the tank/dps is out of position, since the supports will have to expose themselves to be able to save those players, and you might be able to disrupt that or take advantage of it with a well positioned team that can punish this
if they are playing brawl or otherwise a really clumped together team, it can be difficult to get much value with him, but you can always build ult very quickly through boops, mid range poke, and piledrivers, and drop mines to force them to spread out
a lot of wrecking ball is situational and playing mind games with the enemy; things you will learn over time as you develop valuable mechanical skills, match experience, and map experience, but i hope this helps to understand your question and maybe a bit more about the hamster!
i recommend watching top players just to get a glimpse of how they use grapple and move around the map if you are curious about what to learn and pick up. dont need to copy them play for play, just observe and take notes for engagements
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God I hate Lifeweavers while ball. Pulled so many times, said tank diff while stopping me from engaging the enemy. I remember giving the lifeweaver a whole earful in VC after he started crying tank diff.
Its not the feeding. The teammate got mad cause in low elos they think the tanks are meant to “protect” them like its world of Warcraft tanking. I play in gold as doom mostly but the moment a support gets dove one time they demand you hold a shield in their face the rest of the game
lmao yes, once we were losing while i was on rein so i go winston, managed to kill the 2 dps kept a supp busy and then dissengage on the gribaltar plane, at that moment i saw our mercy complaining that i wasn't frontlining the orisa after my team didnt tried to push their tank alone with a supp, low elo struggle to play with non wall tanks
While, I agree generally - if something isn't working for your team, it's on you to make whatever change you can for your own value on the team. Changing your gameplay to peel for a teammate once & awhile may be enough for your team to win. You only have control over you.
@moonyfruit i completely agree that there has to be some intent to aid in peel, but again we are talking lower elo lobbies who also have very little knowledge of good positioning. I mean i see it all the time of anas playing so close to their tank the end of the barrel is clipping the tanks artwork. Im not saying that a ball or doom is meant to be in the backline 100% of the time cause that would be crazy, but my experience is that when a “healer” gets dove once “you need to protect us” meanwhile they will not fire their weapon at the enemy diving them. So yes you have to peel for your team but also the supports need to position better and in some cases in low elo lobbies…. Actually fight back
@@moonyfruit i made a reply to this comment i dont know that it actually @‘d you in it though. I tried to edit it to include your name but i doubt it actually worked. But i generally agree. The rest of the comment will add more context
@@axelt6312 that’s exactly my frustration, i have alot of plays where i can pull all but the tank away but my 4 teammates get soloed by the one tank cause the dps start to panic looking at a rein or zarya walking at then and the supports are only looking to heal.
3:51 they don't have an ashe
Other than the petty pulls, that lw was pretty clutch imo. Good pulls (sometimes) and good heals
gotta report those dudes
Not sure if that wrecking ball is reading this, but now I wanna try to play that hero and get good with it! 😂 Amazing match, really cool to watch :)
The funny thing is his trow pulls over all were probably more good then bad. Only the one where he was killing Cass really hurt and a few others actually helped.
Notice how the sombra and Lucio were the first to die at the beginning?
That Lifeweaver seems like the kind of person who thinks they play perfectly and has to blame someone else for their mistakes
even if there are heroes you dont like to play with, dont be a jerk cmon people
The only thing worse than a good sombra is a good ball. At least when you're getting singled out by a Sombra as a support, you know it'll be over soon. Once a ball starts to harass you, it's like a lion playing with it's food.
A few days ago, I played with a Ball player who was having a rough game-he went 4 and 8 with just 1k damage and around 3k mitigated. We kept telling him to swap because he was just feeding, and we even pointed out his poor K/D and damage stats. His response? “That’s because they’re playing anti-Ball,” referring to their Mauga. We told him, “Then swap off Ball to counter the Mauga.” Even their Mauga agreed with us in the game chat while we were typing. But the Ball player refused to switch, and we ended up losing as everyone on the team out-fragged him-even the Mercy, who had a whopping 70 damage.
14:33 just a little nitpick that right here would be a perfect time to give his supports those shields and it was a miss opportunity
15:52 right as he was saying it lol
The reason I despise seeing a ball on my team is not that I hate ball, it's that 9/10 times we get stomped because we don't have a tank. I have seen a few good ball players and they are genuinely good.
But when I have a gold 1 ball saying "trust" before the match starts in a high plat - low diamond lobby, I can't help but get pissed knowing that we are going to lose.
Wrecking ball is the only tank i've ever truly played, with 250+ hours on him. I have to take breaks because of teammates like this because my will is just not strong enough to deal with it sometimes LOL, especially with it now being one tank it gets frustrating because it feels like theres so much more pressure.
Watching this video also sort of made me realize how smooth my ball is (in comparison), my hours have given me plenty time to move smoothly around maps, play against many different heros and comps, have good grapple and slam spots, etc. Though im in similar rank just from one tricking ball (plat 3), If i played more comp, especially with the right people, I think I could climb more, but my own mental really holds me back I'd say, and these teammates make it more difficult. (I'll literally be 3-5 stacking with the same people regularly of higher and lower ranks and they have never really seen my ball because im just too worried, even if im significantly higher rank and could probably carry and enable them, or if they're higher than me and could carry and enable me).
I hope all ball players have a joyful and happy time balling, i love seeing other hammy players in ow. I wish this baller the best! They have so much potential and are doing great!
@@mattbvii Yes yes yes!! Ive also had to turn my chats off for extended periods of time, which sucks because i love to communicate with my team ESP as ball.
The 50-50 thing is also so true, its like everyone automatically thinks a ball will always be bad so when u actually do good you get praised, but otherwise you get flamed. Also, whats with us getting so much blame when half the time things arent even our fault? Like i get asked to swap when im killing it and not the dps going negative!!!
But very good insight at the end, such a helpful reminder for me, thank you!
My one issue with wrecking ball is when I dive with them on a flank and they just dip right away just a slam and go then I have to disengage using cool downs like I seriously don't understand how I'm supposed to play with one, unperseved value is good but when everyone on their team just choses to ignore them and walk through our team 5v4 because the wrecking ball didn't apply backline support is annoying, bad ball players ruined the perception of ball so when someone applies backline pressure and flanks your team is already tilted on character selection screen
I will say Ball can be a very unfun tank to have on your team. Not saying the backline pressure isn't valuable, but it does mean sacrificing all frontline presence, so you kind of force your entire team into specific pics to go along with Ball because otherwise the enemy team will just walk over them with noone creating space in the front.
the lifeweave pulling thing happened to me as well once. crazy.
that live weaver needs to get back down to bronze
10:29 hes playing how you're supposed to play when the enemy team has a sombra
I saw the name of the WreckingBall over halfway through, and I realized something... I think I've played with this person before!
And yk what? I think they were on ball. I believe I was playing with my friend Kai, and we both joked about how we were screwed (We're support mains and quite used to feeding balls, so it's a joke we always make)
And I'm like 99% sure they actually cooked our enemy team and carried us the whole game. Granted, we aren't high ranked players, but I specifically remember thinking, "Dang, this ball is actually pretty crazy"
As a support, a GOOD ball can be a game changer.
I only read the video title: Because thats what LW does.
3 of the people on the enemy team are my real life friends
Ball was smooving, I enjoyed watching it and would hate to play against it.
This happened to me literally 2 days ago loaded in picked ball and instantly two of my teammates instantly start complaining we were on first point of a payload match it was overtime and I got lifegrabed when I was the last one on it leading us to lose
The fact he got shit and proceeded to be the whole reason they won the game is wild
What I always tell myself whenever I have Hampter on the team:
Trust the process
Sometimes it's just hopeless though 😂
I subconsciously find myself playing too passive and peel focused on ball when my team starts complaining. Maybe that’s why this person played a bit passive.
i feel like ball gets so much less value on any payload mode on defense. The issue with ball as a tank in payload is even if hes getting kills, putting backline pressure, the payload rarely stops. And if ball puts a lot of effort into stopping payload or attacking a clump on payload, he normally ends up feeding.
If you win every fight you don't need to stop the payload.
i had a winston blame me for their death (i was mercy). i asked where they were and they said “on the point where you should’ve been.” and i said “oh, you mean the point that i died on because you jumped across the map while i was trying to heal you?” he stopped speaking.
I've played with Happy Feet before, they're pretty good.
i feel like im one of the only support mains who actually likes playing w ball or doom... like yea a bad one sucks but any bad tank sucks. a good even just decent ball or doom is usually super fun imo
I think they think tanks should fight the tanks instead of going for squishes so it probably made them mad that the rest of the team had to deal with he enemy tank
I know that Lifeweaver player. (I had him in a Unrank game and he keep pulling me back and when i still refuse swap he started feeding and blaming me.)
Edit: also i had guy who keep telling me (The Dive tank i was playing wiston) and guy told me to stop jumping into enemy back lines and shield my team. (Keep in mind me and my friends were playing Dive heroes)
Depends. If they don't die in 3 sec, and I see them doing stuff and going for healthpacks, I assume they're doing something. Obviously can't see what he's shooting or rolling on, but as long as they don't die instantly and heal themselves instead of crying that healers can't heal them through 5 walls, it's all good
I've had these issues in gold 2 as well were people tell me Lucio is terrible or report me cause I was having to fill in their DPS role and couldn't heal cause they were playing support
The dps not following up on the ball slams tho
I've noticed a lot of supports at this rank can't stay alive on their preferred characters so they blame the tank for not being their full-time bodyguard.
Besides the obvious things you pointed out I feel like he needs to think more about his E, the fact that you can get 600 more HP out of nowhere is no joke
He should also get somewhat more comfortable with the grapple and general movement
The thing I find crazy (but honestly, Nubani has been like this since the dawn of time, I hate that map not because I hate the map but because 75% of players below, idk, probably masters, don't know how to play on it and behave like bozos literally always)) is Numbani is a pretty strong ball map. Like, if he's your best hero and it's a good map for the hero, and the enemy team isn't running a full compliment of counters, why would you even swap? Makes no sense.
Honestly looks like my low masters ball gameplay some of the time. Just needs to brush up on a little tech and some decision making and this could easily be masters.
It’s crazy but people will say gg before the game even starts if u choose ball off rip
ALRIGHT SO!!
Phrasing it “feed more” is kinda wrong. Ball just takes more damage when he runs it down main, the advice is “stop running it down main” especially on numbani, nightmare choke
I played a game once where I was getting blamed so wholefully it was unbelieveable. Like we killed all of them and I was the only one on point. EVERYONE else pushed further, killing dps and support. Me on ana, alone on point. SOMEHOW the rammatra was able to get to me. As soon as he appeared on my screen, I screamed "RAM ON POINT" All 4 mates were in TC, hearing my cries for help. Hearing the terror in my voice as I heard "SUFFER AS I HAVE". I died on point and got blamed because I..... guess what? I C9!!!!!! I did throw the game by C9 in their perspective.
HOW TF SHOULD I C9 IF A SUFFER AS I HAVE RAMMATRA KILLS ME ON POINT.
If the OW community as a whole were like Emongg, this game would be way the hell more enjoyable. Most of the time I can only mentally take a few matches before I log off for the day.
That's why having a pull your teammate is a bad mechanic because people can always use it to troll and you can't do anything about it
Only criticism I have for that ball: He's not using his ult enough.
Other than that he's doing a good job.
Seriously, that "Carrypotter" dude makes me wish I could block the guy preemptively... Really don't need to have THAT kind of guy in my team, EVER. "Carry..." my A....
See, some players have the misconception that tanks are supposed to baby sit them and keep them safe from all harm. Tuck them in at night and kiss their foreheads. That's not the tank's job. If you as a support are having a bad time because Monkee is diving you, then your other support is supposed to keep you up, and if not, then you swap to something that just won't die as easily. It's not that fucking hard.
i'd say holding onto the ult for as long as this player does is just about as bad as feeding because its alot of wasted potential.
I personally throw every game if they swap to weaver, just delete grip as he trolls games hard.
RAHHHHH EMONGGGGG
Ball fucking carried that team and they thought he was feeding. smh
It's just such a shame that blizzard has decided to give supports the ability to not only deny value from the enemy team off bad plays from players on your team, but also just give them tools to purposely troll your own team when their egos get fractured.
So many players have this really bad perception of tanks. They expect every tank to play like rein. Big immovable thing down main. The concept of a tank managing aggro is so beyond the understanding of most players.
I'm not saying I'm the best ball but I've hit diamond 3 with a ball only account. With sombras and hogs in every match. My advice would be:
1. Use those shields. There's so many slams with 3+ people that he didn't shield till he was getting out. U can get so much hp, consume enemy resources, and remember SHIELDS DON'T FEED ULT CHARGE.
2. SLAM THAT ASS. He slams people on the edge of his range. Slam right on that ass, shoot that ass as theyre falling down and get that melee. It's like Winston jump melee burst damage.
But he fed less than I do so I thought played well. It's part of the ball life. I hit diamond 3 with 68% win percentage and got shit every game. Leave VC and play some jams my guy
i hope they reported that LW im not the biggest fan of playing with a ball either but YOU NEVER sabotage your own team member